What about 3d effect on the top and bottom ? Because while making fast action videos, mostly the cameras are not properly horizontal and relies on horizon correction in post!
Your argument about needing to have 4 cameras to properly shoot 3D 360 doesn't make sense. The insta360 only has two fish eye lenses (one on each side) and it shoots full 2D 360 video. Why couldn't you use 2 insta360 x3's put in a 63mm distance apart and shoot 3D 360 then? Also what you said about just buying an insta360 EVO to do both VR180 and 2D 360 may have made perfect sense when you made the video 4 years ago, but now that camera isn't available anywhere anymore. The only options that people have to even shoot VR180 over 5k are $2000-$7000. Since the insta360 x3 and x2 are readily available right now, can't I just buy 2 of them to create 3D video (180 and 360) for my Meta Quest 3?
Hi Ben, How would I stitch the .insv video files from 2 separate Insta 360 cameras? For example if 2 cameras were placed on a car with one on the driver's side door and the other on the passenger side.
I am thinking of using two qoocam 8k to get 3d 180 vr in two directions in one go. Is there a way of post production to split up the two hemispheres of the 360 degree recording you can think of to get this done? I am thinking of using davinci resolve studio to achieve this. What is your opinion @Ben?
Hey Ben, love your videos. Could you use 2 EVO cameras to shoot 3D 360 videos if each of them is open with only 90 degrees between the lens? This will have one lens for each direction, you can take half of each image as the left/right portion (split the two videos into 8 segments), and while the IPD will be smaller, I can imagine this can work...
Hi, question: I need to shoot some 360° videos of several sites here where I live, however I also need to shoot same places on regular video, for another project.So, I don't want to go twice (waste of time and energy). Here come my questions: I thought to mount my gopro max on a double head Tripod, and either my phone note 9 which shoot 4k or get a hero8. So, my question is: when editing the Max videos, will the phone show up in the image? Or if, I shoot only with the Max, can the video be double edited: meaning, one in 360 and the other 2D. I editing once a 360° showing everything in one plane but it looks strange. Is there a way when editing a 360° to show what the front lenses capture? Thank you for the input. BTW I still have my spare gopro fusion which I still haven't sold. Thanks for your insights
Theoretically you could use just 1 slow motion camera mounted with some distance on a pole, rotating at hundreds or thousands of rpm at a constant speed.
I did one fast crude test of this idea using an EVO to handhold shooting two 3D 180 photos and combining them in photoshop and to a degreee it does actually work. The problem is the stitch line between the two 180 FOV images. But considering I had a complete 3D 360 image I did have a proper 3D image even across the stitch line, though it was a bit abrupt instead of smooth. It was still really awesome to see though in my Oculus Go. I even showed it to a friend and she at first didn't immediately notice the abrupt stitch line until I pointed it out to her. My next idea would be to create some simple mold I can mount to a tripod head with a bubble level. The mold would allow me to set the camera in one orientation, snap a photo, then pick up and reverse 180 degress back in the mold and take another shot. That might work a touch better. But yeah, stitching the two together seamlessly is still a problem. If you're willing to accept the stitch flaw and you have the patience to combine the two images together in post, I'd say it's worth the effort for the mostly successful results.
You actually can get virtually seamless 3D / 360 with two 2-lens 360 cameras. I'm currently creating a course explaining how to do this, from building a 3D rig for a few dollars, to how you have to manipulate the photos to get the 3D effect all the way around and even how you can align exposures for HDR results when you didn't use a tripod to shoot.
@@BenClaremont hey Ben. Nope. No rotating. And also just another point to remember... It will actually NOT be 3D in the back by default because the eyes will be reversed in the rear view. You need to fix that in post. The only thing that will be proper 3D by default is the front view, and even that only across about a 110 to maybe 130 degree fov.
Interesting- I have seen one example of someone post their ‘back to back’ experiment and while it technically worked as a 360 video, it didn’t connect on the sides and I don’t quite remember how well the back worked. It was 3D but not mind blowingly good 3D.
@@BenClaremont - If you give me an email address I'll send you some examples to check out on a headset and you can tell me what you think. The 3D effect is very good. If you sit there with the headset for a minute or two you start to forget that it isn't real. If you don't have a headset I can convert some samples to red-blue anaglyphs. Take care
Oversimplifies. Two VR180 cameras back-to-back capture two 3D 180-degree fields of vision, and can be stitched into an imperfect 3D 360-degree sphere with a proper stitching profile that can then be easily repeated/applied.
@@BenClaremont Your words "won't be 3D all the way around" are internally inconsistent. Imperfect is a better way to put it, while in most cases without nearby objects, the results would actually be acceptable.
Sure but that’s just semantics. TH-cam is about communicating in a way people can understand. I still don’t see how the result (of half 3D and half flat), would be good enough to justify the extra workflow.
Setup a special camera mount to move the camera into each position for the 360. In other words 4 mount places on it that you pickup the camera and set it into another mount spot. Each pre measured. Not even a pano head would be needed. Cardboard box taped together.
Ben, perhaps if you make the focal/lens center of each side pair the same distance apart as the front or back pair, it would work with the right stitch software. I'm not sure what the Vuze uses for lenses, but i can't help but think they are less than a full hemisphere. And I wonder if those have 'less 3D' at 45 degrees off axis from any lens pairs direction.
But would it work, if you would glue the "stereoscopic" camera to a helmet and view the image in a 3D Gear? Or Smartphone with a headmount? No? Then you would simly turn your head around to see to the left
Hello, I film since 2003 in 3D with 2 separate cameras ... currently synonymous with 2x Insta360 One X on a small track in the side-by-side format and with various self-made aluminum rails for a larger stereo base ... 12 cm to 100 cm ... all handleable with the Selfi-Stick ... the effect is fantastic for me ... the 3D space is expanded by a factor of 10 ... the bigger the more miniature effect ... But now to my question ... also wanted 2x Insta360 Evo for 360 degrees 3D test ... could you upload your original test files or link ... ?? ... then I could save the purchase for my test ... I can hardly believe that there is no 3D effect on the sides ... !!! In my two narrow insta360 oneX you only see the porthole (Bulls Eye) of the lens that I easily get away with a mask in Adobe Premiere in each case by the other video ... the surface is indeed 2D but falls when viewing a 3D 360 video almost not on. ..then you look so mostly just swings forward with his eyes quickly back ... Unfortunately you have to reverse the stereo view with the VR Player ... you can only switch to the front or to switch to the back ... is still better than just 180 degrees view with the left out black border ... but so as I see it is also on the sides of a good 3D effect ... probably because the One X is built so narrow ... But I'm still very interested in how the Evo 's would be ... Advantage of this rig would be full 3D view of the together in Premiere Side by Side or Top / Bottom ... I would be very interested to see and not only in 5 min to hear ... as it looks on the sides with 3D ... may be that the Evo is a bit too thick compared to the One X ... Maybe then I stay with the two One X for fantastic 3D 360 shots ... The Vuze I have synonymous ... but only 4K in 3D is far too blurred ... 5.7 K fits exactly to the resolution of Oculus Go or Quest even better for the Pimax 5K + with 180 degrees of field of vision ... because it disturbs constantly eerie only the black screens to see restriction ... 3D-360 degree is just a lot more fun ... !! Especially if the cameras are very light ... an Insta Pro with 1.5 Kg is just too heavy for me and overly suspicious in the sometimes critical public ... So I and maybe some other 3D 360 degree fans would be very happy if you could upload a few test files ... please both Evos 180 back to back and 360 mode side by side ... Many 3D-360 greetings Thomas 3D
There is a lot to learn, about this new “field”. We might get more into 3D 360*, as soon as AR or Mix Reality Google are available at a acceptable price ;)
I’d say there will be a One X 2, but only for 360. Depending on how well the EVO goes, they may release an EVO 2 next year as their follow up product 🤔
Actually, two 360 cameras can be used together for producing VR180 video. It's not that difficult with cameras that work as webcams and a little editing in OBS. The hard part is lining them up
What sub $3000 options exist though now? The one you're holding, discontinued. Vuze xr as well. The only solid option now is doing it yourself with two cameras. And definitely better than the few cheaper options there have been. It's kinda bizarre how abandoned it is and there's 1000 360 camera options. Vuze wasting the resolution around 360 when so much is needed is strange. Granted their discontinued 180 and the one you have there definitely don't look worth it. Just weird no one putting something out slightly better if even double the cost of those.
Wow you have two Evos? And it seems the 3d bug got you really bad. Fyi it happened to me too a couple of yrs ago thats why i stopped posting tiny planets - vr was way more interesting 😁
@@BenClaremont From 2 separate lenses is what meant. I have 2 old Kodak sp360 4k cameras (each camera is 180 each), that after rendering through its software comes out way too blurry. I want to know how to unfold raw fisheye footage to a square so i can manually make a L and R side by side and not lose so much resolution.
Well as I mentioned, buying a camera that does it all for you is a much better way to go as you don’t need to do anything manually. Unless you’re super advanced with post production I wouldn’t waste your time!
@@BenClaremont Ha I am not advanced at all. Its just the cameras I own, and its my only way to make 3D. I can edit 2 fisheye lenses sbs and watch them perfectly on my steam vr player by switching to fisheye setting, but I wouldn't be able to upload that type of video on youtube tho :/. I couldn't even convert fisheye to a square equirectangular on Premiere which kinda sucks.
I'd suggested attaching two Evos together or even back-to-back. The idea was quickly written off. Figured 1 camera does 180º 3D so why couldn't two do 360º 3D.
I'm sure you know this already - you can sync multiple cameras (should work for VR as well) using shake and sound. The stitching of VR images is another story, because it has to be very accurate and 2 VR cameras are not enough.
I wonder if you could have a separate video feed to each eye. I’m not sure if any VR headsets use a separate image feed to each eye, but it seems like it would be worth testing.
Ben, great video! I like it. I have the EVO, QooCam and a expensive 8 lenses 8K 3D camera too. But I almost don't use the expensive one as it is heavy and the fan is noisy. So I can use it only for pictures. The 3D 180-degree cameras are really the future because you can hide behind them and they almost do not stand out at a concert, for example and you just have to ask the musicians for the permission to record, not the whole audience. (EU law?)
7 years ago I bought a Full HD 3D camera on Amazon by almost a US$ 1000. It was cool, but I kind used it not too much. 3D is still in cinema, but not too Common in houses, where people use Netflix and It does not provides any 3D contents. Playstation 3 had a few games in 3D, but PS4 had not. Once 360 contents are still for a selected public, I'm Very Very skeptical about 3D going popular someday. It Will be for selected public in games and professional stuff. Maybe someday normal 360 gets the public.
Ben: This should work, this should really work. Also Ben: This is not gonna work! But I really enjoyed the video! Found out that we have one thing in common, being bad at math! 😛
@@BenClaremont i experience it as a loss of depth and a lack of... ability to focus. If you think about it it's as if your eyes are closer together, but one is further back.
I'm still not sure how people create those 360 stereoscopic video.... The idea of a 360 video shows the viewpoint of one eye. How can we shoot the other eye which is not at the same position from time to time.....
@@BenClaremont well, the sides have a less feel of 3D depth, you only lose the 3D exactly at the sides (90 degrees to right or left), but that's not really a problem, people tends to look always forward and sometimes backwards. Using two Samsung Gear 360 (2016), I can create videos 3840x3840, that's twice the vertical resolution than Vuze+ because with two Gear 360 it's two 3840x1920 videos Top-Bottom, so, you get more resolution and better results for half the price (149$USD x 2 = 248 $USD). Here's a video in 3D 360 that I've made, take it a look with a VR headset to see it in 3D and you can compare it with Vuze+ and others 3D 360 cameras: th-cam.com/video/4Lf4Y9xp334/w-d-xo.html For the price it's good enough for me ^__^
@@Virtual.Nature I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro, one video on the top, and other on the bottom, and both of them swapping positions in the other half for the back view. For stitching from the Gear 360, it's using the software that Samsung provides (Action Power Director).
Hi guys! did the same thing some time ago, with the 1gen gear360 when it came out, bought 2 to do this for the sake of immersion in vr, being that as long as the narative justified the 3d effect (slightly ) the sides weren't a problem, but the fact the other lens was snowing up ...was, most of times :)) ...and this was at that time ,where you know, it wasn't easy to patch thins up in software/s. Otherwise it was a good solution for 180 3D.
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It is totally possible to do 3D 360 with 4 cameras, you just have to stitch differently from the beginning: photos.app.goo.gl/ixaGEAovBo2gWwQu5. Came up with this concept thinking how TwoEyes VR 360 camera was made.
I was SURE somebody would of asked this by now, but could you make a 3D 360 with ONE 360 camera? You take a 360 on a tripod, then move it an inch or two away and take another.
Now that I think of it, it would take MANY 360 photos with 1 360 camera to produce a full 3D 360. You would have to take many photos all about an inch away from the camera, rotating a few degrees(or a fraction of a degree!) to capture full 3D, otherwise you would end up as you explained at 1:33.
@@eznoahn7103 a 360 camera isnt needed for this. even a cheap gopro 3 is enough.. just rotate slightly offset, not in the NPP. Scene should be still of course: www.nodalninja.com/forum/forum/general-discussions/tips-and-tricks/1683-revised-version-of-the-tutorial-how-to-make-a-spherical-3d-panorama-with-a-single-camera-and-a-fisheye-lens?4114-Revised-version-of-the-tutorial-quot-How-to-make-a-spherical-3D-panorama-with-a-single-camera-and-a-fisheye-lens-quot=
And because of this wath i have writen below, its realy bad there are only 360/180 degree 3D Stereoscopic Videocams out there to buy and no 3D Stereoscopic Cams with the 35mm lenses Reporter Cam viewing Angel and with 5.3 or 4K Sensor to 1080p, which is the best Format for Stereoscopic 3D to watch on a 3D TV!!! Because its true: To do the Sync of two independent Cams for Stereoscopic 3D is a very difficult thing to do!!!
lol 2x180VR? Just buy an Insta 360 Pro! :D :D Hey Ben, what about having a sort of bullet-time rig for 360 3D cameras? Would they be able to create a 6 degrees of freedom VR environment?
Stereoscopic 3D looks way the best shot with two 35mm Lenses on a 35mm Film equal in 4K and postproduced to 1080p and dont watching in a VR like Oculus Rift, its much bether to watch on a 3D TV OR 3D Projector. This 360/180 is now only a silly momentan hype, but not realy good to watch, becaus for 360 to be realy sharp, we would need 16K for sharp Video!!! But if we shoot not in 360/180, but with two 35mm lenses Cams on a 35mm Film-Equal format shot in 4K and postproduced to 1080p we will have the Best Results with realy good Stereoscopic 3D and a sharp Picture!!! 360/180 shot with only 5.3K Video is way to far away from sharp Videopicture!!!!! 360/180 is only a hipe, its only cool becaus all say now 360 is cool, but its not!!!! Its realy silly if you have to watch the same Video 4-8 times, because we are not able to see all its happen in the Video at the same Time!!!! Its realy bether to Shot, wath we want to see and shot in the direction we want filming someting!!!!! 360/180 degree Videos will make only sense in the Future until the Cams are able to shot 180 degree with 16K!!!!!!!!!!!
but watching a tv you are not in the place that the 3d video is showing, and with vr you are inside the place, the immersive experience should be great
What about 3d effect on the top and bottom ? Because while making fast action videos, mostly the cameras are not properly horizontal and relies on horizon correction in post!
What about it?
@@BenClaremont I mean as all the cameras are aligned in a horizontal way, so there won't be 3D effect if we see upwards or downwards.
Yeah.. same reason the sides wouldn’t work :)
Your argument about needing to have 4 cameras to properly shoot 3D 360 doesn't make sense. The insta360 only has two fish eye lenses (one on each side) and it shoots full 2D 360 video. Why couldn't you use 2 insta360 x3's put in a 63mm distance apart and shoot 3D 360 then? Also what you said about just buying an insta360 EVO to do both VR180 and 2D 360 may have made perfect sense when you made the video 4 years ago, but now that camera isn't available anywhere anymore. The only options that people have to even shoot VR180 over 5k are $2000-$7000. Since the insta360 x3 and x2 are readily available right now, can't I just buy 2 of them to create 3D video (180 and 360) for my Meta Quest 3?
I have same thought .... i will try it
Hi Ben,
How would I stitch the .insv video files from 2 separate Insta 360 cameras? For example if 2 cameras were placed on a car with one on the driver's side door and the other on the passenger side.
*** I'm not doing 3D or anything.
Yes but the stitching won’t be very good
so now that we both are in 2024 , which 3d camera would u recommend for budget constrained user and a non constrained user?
I am thinking of using two qoocam 8k to get 3d 180 vr in two directions in one go. Is there a way of post production to split up the two hemispheres of the 360 degree recording you can think of to get this done? I am thinking of using davinci resolve studio to achieve this. What is your opinion @Ben?
Please, please pleeeease do a review of the insta360 pro 2 Ben.
Sure- can you send me one for review?
I wish I could@@BenClaremont, but those cameras are ludacris expensive.
Hey Ben, love your videos. Could you use 2 EVO cameras to shoot 3D 360 videos if each of them is open with only 90 degrees between the lens?
This will have one lens for each direction, you can take half of each image as the left/right portion (split the two videos into 8 segments), and while the IPD will be smaller, I can imagine this can work...
Hi, question: I need to shoot some 360° videos of several sites here where I live, however I also need to shoot same places on regular video, for another project.So, I don't want to go twice (waste of time and energy).
Here come my questions: I thought to mount my gopro max on a double head Tripod, and either my phone note 9 which shoot 4k or get a hero8.
So, my question is: when editing the Max videos, will the phone show up in the image?
Or if, I shoot only with the Max, can the video be double edited: meaning, one in 360 and the other 2D.
I editing once a 360° showing everything in one plane but it looks strange. Is there a way when editing a 360° to show what the front lenses capture?
Thank you for the input. BTW I still have my spare gopro fusion which I still haven't sold.
Thanks for your insights
You could do a weekly Q&A with the Alien face, I'd watch.
Sadly, little rhinoceros man also spontaneously combusted 🤯 but I’m sure he’ll reincarnate
and what about Vuze XR 3D VR180°?
Great! I just had the same idea, since I have 2 identical 360 cams.
Let's find out😃
I expect the rear to be inverse left right...
The things I look for at 3am in the morning is beyond me😂
Theoretically you could use just 1 slow motion camera mounted with some distance on a pole, rotating at hundreds or thousands of rpm at a constant speed.
I did one fast crude test of this idea using an EVO to handhold shooting two 3D 180 photos and combining them in photoshop and to a degreee it does actually work. The problem is the stitch line between the two 180 FOV images. But considering I had a complete 3D 360 image I did have a proper 3D image even across the stitch line, though it was a bit abrupt instead of smooth. It was still really awesome to see though in my Oculus Go. I even showed it to a friend and she at first didn't immediately notice the abrupt stitch line until I pointed it out to her.
My next idea would be to create some simple mold I can mount to a tripod head with a bubble level. The mold would allow me to set the camera in one orientation, snap a photo, then pick up and reverse 180 degress back in the mold and take another shot. That might work a touch better. But yeah, stitching the two together seamlessly is still a problem. If you're willing to accept the stitch flaw and you have the patience to combine the two images together in post, I'd say it's worth the effort for the mostly successful results.
You actually can get virtually seamless 3D / 360 with two 2-lens 360 cameras. I'm currently creating a course explaining how to do this, from building a 3D rig for a few dollars, to how you have to manipulate the photos to get the 3D effect all the way around and even how you can align exposures for HDR results when you didn't use a tripod to shoot.
Rotating it with a pano head? This is what i hinted at however it makes a moving scene very difficult
@@BenClaremont hey Ben. Nope. No rotating. And also just another point to remember... It will actually NOT be 3D in the back by default because the eyes will be reversed in the rear view. You need to fix that in post. The only thing that will be proper 3D by default is the front view, and even that only across about a 110 to maybe 130 degree fov.
Interesting- I have seen one example of someone post their ‘back to back’ experiment and while it technically worked as a 360 video, it didn’t connect on the sides and I don’t quite remember how well the back worked. It was 3D but not mind blowingly good 3D.
@@BenClaremont - If you give me an email address I'll send you some examples to check out on a headset and you can tell me what you think. The 3D effect is very good. If you sit there with the headset for a minute or two you start to forget that it isn't real. If you don't have a headset I can convert some samples to red-blue anaglyphs.
Take care
@@hekskey Cam I get examples? Is your course ready?
Is there a solution if you mount 2x Insta360x2 next to each other (7cm distance) and get a 360° picture in 3D or a video from it?
Yes, yes, and yes
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4 360 theta cams would do fine at 90 degree spacing = X + a little tinkering in a game engine
the idea is to reproduce that with very good camera that wont cost as much as 3d ones so yeah there is a big insentive
Oversimplifies. Two VR180 cameras back-to-back capture two 3D 180-degree fields of vision, and can be stitched into an imperfect 3D 360-degree sphere with a proper stitching profile that can then be easily repeated/applied.
That’s what I said.. it will work but it won’t be 3D all the way around.
@@BenClaremont Your words "won't be 3D all the way around" are internally inconsistent. Imperfect is a better way to put it, while in most cases without nearby objects, the results would actually be acceptable.
Sure but that’s just semantics. TH-cam is about communicating in a way people can understand. I still don’t see how the result (of half 3D and half flat), would be good enough to justify the extra workflow.
@@BenClaremont Indeed, you don't see. And it wouldn't be half 3D and half flat. It's all about the stitching profile, then once it's done, easy peasy.
I’d love to be proven wrong.. if you have a good example send it my way!
Put two insta 360 ONE X side by side ( eye spaced) , in post-prod remove the 'in between' fields where the cameras looks each other .... et voila .
That’s the hypothetical I started with here.. as I mentioned it will work front and back but not the sides, top and bottom.
Setup a special camera mount to move the camera into each position for the 360. In other words 4 mount places on it that you pickup the camera and set it into another mount spot. Each pre measured. Not even a pano head would be needed. Cardboard box taped together.
Do you think that EVO needs a gimbal!? if yes which gimbal?Oslo?
Nope
Wait, the FOV for each of those lenses exceed 180, doesn't it? Otherwise, how does it stitch in 360 mode?
even 180° 3D doesn't really work at the 45° angles ie at the side borders.
3 lense would actually be perfect for 180° 3D.
Ben, perhaps if you make the focal/lens center of each side pair the same distance apart as the front or back pair, it would work with the right stitch software. I'm not sure what the Vuze uses for lenses, but i can't help but think they are less than a full hemisphere. And I wonder if those have 'less 3D' at 45 degrees off axis from any lens pairs direction.
of course if you make a 3d vidéo with a cine camera =2d images that's 1k avanced against 180, 360 degree camera
But would it work, if you would glue the "stereoscopic" camera to a helmet and view the image in a 3D Gear? Or Smartphone with a headmount? No? Then you would simly turn your head around to see to the left
So, next video with Insta 360 Titan ?
Sure can you buy me one?
Would it be possible to use a single 360 degree camera to simulate a multi camera setup by reframing the shots?
On first glance at the cover pic, I thought you broke the Evo in 2 😂. Thought it was a smart idea for capturing 2 angles at once... 😅
Now there’s an idea 🤣
Hello,
I film since 2003 in 3D with 2 separate cameras ... currently synonymous with 2x Insta360 One X on a small track in the side-by-side format and with various self-made aluminum rails for a larger stereo base ... 12 cm to 100 cm ... all handleable with the Selfi-Stick ... the effect is fantastic for me ... the 3D space is expanded by a factor of 10 ... the bigger the more miniature effect ...
But now to my question ... also wanted 2x Insta360 Evo for 360 degrees 3D test ... could you upload your original test files or link ... ?? ... then I could save the purchase for my test ...
I can hardly believe that there is no 3D effect on the sides ... !!!
In my two narrow insta360 oneX you only see the porthole (Bulls Eye) of the lens that I easily get away with a mask in Adobe Premiere in each case by the other video ... the surface is indeed 2D but falls when viewing a 3D 360 video almost not on. ..then you look so mostly just swings forward with his eyes quickly back ...
Unfortunately you have to reverse the stereo view with the VR Player ... you can only switch to the front or to switch to the back ... is still better than just 180 degrees view with the left out black border ... but so as I see it is also on the sides of a good 3D effect ... probably because the One X is built so narrow ...
But I'm still very interested in how the Evo 's would be ... Advantage of this rig would be full 3D view of the together in Premiere Side by Side or Top / Bottom ...
I would be very interested to see and not only in 5 min to hear ... as it looks on the sides with 3D ... may be that the Evo is a bit too thick compared to the One X ...
Maybe then I stay with the two One X for fantastic 3D 360 shots ...
The Vuze I have synonymous ... but only 4K in 3D is far too blurred ... 5.7 K fits exactly to the resolution of Oculus Go or Quest even better for the Pimax 5K + with 180 degrees of field of vision ... because it disturbs constantly eerie only the black screens to see restriction ...
3D-360 degree is just a lot more fun ... !!
Especially if the cameras are very light ... an Insta Pro with 1.5 Kg is just too heavy for me and overly suspicious in the sometimes critical public ...
So I and maybe some other 3D 360 degree fans would be very happy if you could upload a few test files ... please both Evos 180 back to back and 360 mode side by side ...
Many 3D-360 greetings
Thomas 3D
Hi Thomas, your tests sound interesting! I haven’t had time to upload samples but I’ll do my best to revisit this in the future. All the best 👍
Oh boy, this video is exactly what I was looking for....and it's just on Ben Claremonts channel all the time :P.
Of course 😉
There is a lot to learn, about this new “field”.
We might get more into 3D 360*, as soon as AR or Mix Reality Google are available at a acceptable price ;)
👍👍👍
Interesting 👍😃. I wonder if insta360 will come out with a One X 2 with 360 3d this year? 🤔🙄🎥
I’d say there will be a One X 2, but only for 360. Depending on how well the EVO goes, they may release an EVO 2 next year as their follow up product 🤔
@@BenClaremont i have asked insta360 team to add audio jack for the x2. Because microphone is so bad on th oneX
Actually, two 360 cameras can be used together for producing VR180 video. It's not that difficult with cameras that work as webcams and a little editing in OBS. The hard part is lining them up
Not worth the effort really when VR180 cameras exist.
@@BenClaremont That's definitely true. Dedicated hardware is worlds better and has a much simpler workflow
What sub $3000 options exist though now? The one you're holding, discontinued. Vuze xr as well. The only solid option now is doing it yourself with two cameras. And definitely better than the few cheaper options there have been. It's kinda bizarre how abandoned it is and there's 1000 360 camera options. Vuze wasting the resolution around 360 when so much is needed is strange. Granted their discontinued 180 and the one you have there definitely don't look worth it. Just weird no one putting something out slightly better if even double the cost of those.
@@StormandskydotCom 7 months later, still waiting. Surely it can't be long now?
true, stitching two 360 videos together is the way.@@sharpvidtube
Awesome video Ben...What about March giveaway? Waiting for results
Thanks- yes the winner was announced in my April newsletter and he has already received the camera 👍
3d would become massive in 5 years? It's been only 2 years and there are no 180 VR cameras!
Vision Pro says hello :) He said 5-10 years
So Mr Ben, when will we see a video with the Vuze camera?
Which one?
@@BenClaremont The vuze 360 3D camera I've been brining up ever since I saw it in the background 😁
I think you’re one of a select few who are interested in it.. so i wouldn’t hold your breath on that one haha
Woohoo! Select few! Still would need a proper device to view it though...
Wow you have two Evos? And it seems the 3d bug got you really bad. Fyi it happened to me too a couple of yrs ago thats why i stopped posting tiny planets - vr was way more interesting 😁
Yeah I’m infected.. maybe that’s what led to the spontaneous combustion 🤣 3D is awesome!!!
@@BenClaremont i hope you will consider getting a desktop vr headset like rift s... you'll be glad you did 😁
Will consider it.. patiently waiting for the Quest!
@@BenClaremont yes i'm sooo looking forward to Quest! And the Rift S :D
A question ive never found the answer to is how to unfold two raw fisheye video into squares to manually make 180 3D VR.
I think this video answers that 🙂
@@BenClaremont From 2 separate lenses is what meant. I have 2 old Kodak sp360 4k cameras (each camera is 180 each), that after rendering through its software comes out way too blurry. I want to know how to unfold raw fisheye footage to a square so i can manually make a L and R side by side and not lose so much resolution.
Well as I mentioned, buying a camera that does it all for you is a much better way to go as you don’t need to do anything manually. Unless you’re super advanced with post production I wouldn’t waste your time!
@@BenClaremont Ha I am not advanced at all. Its just the cameras I own, and its my only way to make 3D. I can edit 2 fisheye lenses sbs and watch them perfectly on my steam vr player by switching to fisheye setting, but I wouldn't be able to upload that type of video on youtube tho :/. I couldn't even convert fisheye to a square equirectangular on Premiere which kinda sucks.
i am looking forward to a better 3D 360° camera because right now i think that 180° 3D is not good enough at the side borders.
Weird...today I got the same idea... AGAIN!
Found my own reaction here.... 🙈
I proposed doing such on release day and folks insisted it wasn't possible.
Doing what? With which camera?
I'd suggested attaching two Evos together or even back-to-back. The idea was quickly written off. Figured 1 camera does 180º 3D so why couldn't two do 360º 3D.
Yeah.. unfortunately as I discussed in this video, it won’t work as 3D 360 but you can still stitch them together for a partial 3D effect.
I'm sure you know this already - you can sync multiple cameras (should work for VR as well) using shake and sound. The stitching of VR images is another story, because it has to be very accurate and 2 VR cameras are not enough.
I wonder if you could have a separate video feed to each eye. I’m not sure if any VR headsets use a separate image feed to each eye, but it seems like it would be worth testing.
Ben, great video! I like it. I have the EVO, QooCam and a expensive 8 lenses 8K 3D camera too. But I almost don't use the expensive one as it is heavy and the fan is noisy. So I can use it only for pictures. The 3D 180-degree cameras are really the future because you can hide behind them and they almost do not stand out at a concert, for example and you just have to ask the musicians for the permission to record, not the whole audience. (EU law?)
True- size and discreetness is key 🔑
7 years ago I bought a Full HD 3D camera on Amazon by almost a US$ 1000. It was cool, but I kind used it not too much. 3D is still in cinema, but not too Common in houses, where people use Netflix and It does not provides any 3D contents. Playstation 3 had a few games in 3D, but PS4 had not. Once 360 contents are still for a selected public, I'm Very Very skeptical about 3D going popular someday. It Will be for selected public in games and professional stuff. Maybe someday normal 360 gets the public.
I think being able to shoot it yourself very easily and cheaply is what makes it different this time :)
what about a 180 in front of your face and a 180 behind your head.
Ben: This should work, this should really work.
Also Ben: This is not gonna work!
But I really enjoyed the video! Found out that we have one thing in common, being bad at math! 😛
It’s ok.. that’s what calculators are for 🤓
@@BenClaremont Ha ha! Exactly!
But this is a problem even with VR180, unless you keep your head looking straight ahead, the 3d effect is reduced by how much you look left or right.
Hmm.. perhaps there’s a slight reduction in depth on the edges but I’d say at least 150 degrees of the 180 behaves as it should.
@@BenClaremont i experience it as a loss of depth and a lack of... ability to focus. If you think about it it's as if your eyes are closer together, but one is further back.
love your Picasso bit. Would be nice to make a whole video with the Pablo effect !
Don’t tempt me 🤣
Ben: There's going to be no impending alien invasion...
Vuze: That's because we're already here.
Thanks for the video, Mr Ben!
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I'm still not sure how people create those 360 stereoscopic video....
The idea of a 360 video shows the viewpoint of one eye. How can we shoot the other eye which is not at the same position from time to time.....
You use cameras as the Insta360 Pro 2. Only thing you notice in 3D is moving yourself but not in the video
But Mr Ben, 👽 are the best!
They’ll be back
That's what I did two years ago, I have 3D 360 videos made with two Samsung Gear 360. The results are good enough.
What happened on the sides?
@@BenClaremont well, the sides have a less feel of 3D depth, you only lose the 3D exactly at the sides (90 degrees to right or left), but that's not really a problem, people tends to look always forward and sometimes backwards.
Using two Samsung Gear 360 (2016), I can create videos 3840x3840, that's twice the vertical resolution than Vuze+ because with two Gear 360 it's two 3840x1920 videos Top-Bottom, so, you get more resolution and better results for half the price (149$USD x 2 = 248 $USD).
Here's a video in 3D 360 that I've made, take it a look with a VR headset to see it in 3D and you can compare it with Vuze+ and others 3D 360 cameras: th-cam.com/video/4Lf4Y9xp334/w-d-xo.html
For the price it's good enough for me ^__^
@@JordiCorVR By george, I think you have something there... Please let us know what software you used to stitch the two video files.
@@Virtual.Nature I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro, one video on the top, and other on the bottom, and both of them swapping positions in the other half for the back view. For stitching from the Gear 360, it's using the software that Samsung provides (Action Power Director).
Hi guys! did the same thing some time ago, with the 1gen gear360 when it came out, bought 2 to do this for the sake of immersion in vr, being that as long as the narative justified the 3d effect (slightly ) the sides weren't a problem, but the fact the other lens was snowing up ...was, most of times :)) ...and this was at that time ,where you know, it wasn't easy to patch thins up in software/s. Otherwise it was a good solution for 180 3D.
It is totally possible to do 3D 360 with 4 cameras, you just have to stitch differently from the beginning: photos.app.goo.gl/ixaGEAovBo2gWwQu5. Came up with this concept thinking how TwoEyes VR 360 camera was made.
Indeed, but as I said it’s a lot of post production work and would be so much easier/cheaper buying a dedicated 3D 360 camera.
Alien's face just bra!🤣👍
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I was SURE somebody would of asked this by now, but could you make a 3D 360 with ONE 360 camera? You take a 360 on a tripod, then move it an inch or two away and take another.
Now that I think of it, it would take MANY 360 photos with 1 360 camera to produce a full 3D 360. You would have to take many photos all about an inch away from the camera, rotating a few degrees(or a fraction of a degree!) to capture full 3D, otherwise you would end up as you explained at 1:33.
Exactly- the massive amount of post production wouldn’t be worth it when you can just buy a camera that already shoots 3D like the EVO :)
@@eznoahn7103 a 360 camera isnt needed for this. even a cheap gopro 3 is enough.. just rotate slightly offset, not in the NPP. Scene should be still of course: www.nodalninja.com/forum/forum/general-discussions/tips-and-tricks/1683-revised-version-of-the-tutorial-how-to-make-a-spherical-3d-panorama-with-a-single-camera-and-a-fisheye-lens?4114-Revised-version-of-the-tutorial-quot-How-to-make-a-spherical-3D-panorama-with-a-single-camera-and-a-fisheye-lens-quot=
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Huh?
@@BenClaremont Followed the links. Got spam, no info.
And because of this wath i have writen below, its realy bad there are only 360/180 degree 3D Stereoscopic Videocams out there to buy and no 3D Stereoscopic Cams with the 35mm lenses Reporter Cam viewing Angel and with 5.3 or 4K Sensor to 1080p, which is the best Format for Stereoscopic 3D to watch on a 3D TV!!!
Because its true: To do the Sync of two independent Cams for Stereoscopic 3D is a very difficult thing to do!!!
lol 2x180VR? Just buy an Insta 360 Pro! :D :D Hey Ben, what about having a sort of bullet-time rig for 360 3D cameras? Would they be able to create a 6 degrees of freedom VR environment?
Interesting question- I have no idea! But sounds good 👌🏻
here it was done 3dvr with two insta cams th-cam.com/video/DvJyepBjHLY/w-d-xo.html
Stereoscopic 3D looks way the best shot with two 35mm Lenses on a 35mm Film equal in 4K and postproduced to 1080p and dont watching in a VR like Oculus Rift, its much bether to watch on a 3D TV OR 3D Projector. This 360/180 is now only a silly momentan hype, but not realy good to watch, becaus for 360 to be realy sharp, we would need 16K for sharp Video!!! But if we shoot not in 360/180, but with two 35mm lenses Cams on a 35mm Film-Equal format shot in 4K and postproduced to 1080p we will have the Best Results with realy good Stereoscopic 3D and a sharp Picture!!! 360/180 shot with only 5.3K Video is way to far away from sharp Videopicture!!!!! 360/180 is only a hipe, its only cool becaus all say now 360 is cool, but its not!!!! Its realy silly if you have to watch the same Video 4-8 times, because we are not able to see all its happen in the Video at the same Time!!!! Its realy bether to Shot, wath we want to see and shot in the direction we want filming someting!!!!! 360/180 degree Videos will make only sense in the Future until the Cams are able to shot 180 degree with 16K!!!!!!!!!!!
but watching a tv you are not in the place that the 3d video is showing, and with vr you are inside the place, the immersive experience should be great
the audio sounds weird at high volume
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