One of the great misconceptions of many interpreters of this music, including Pollini etc., is that it should be executed dryly and "percisely" without feeling. This is in direct opposition to Schoenberg's intentions, as is easily evident from his writings and correspondences, as it is from the notation itself.
Just like OAmus says, it is supposed to be played this way. Because in the end, music is there to express something. And you cannot express something when "just pressing down the keys".
Well, one is never just pressing keys, like a cat. Schoenberg wrote these notes down for a reason, a very satisfying one. I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t play Schoenberg without feeling.
Well, I wouldn't say it's an absolute atrocity. I like this kind of music! It sounds appealing, inspiring, and very emotional to my ears. I completely understand those who don't like it, and at the same time I cannot help but see that taste for art is something subjective. Peace!
Atrocious? Learn to play keys at a high level in accordance with the pre-atonal system of western music, and the learn to play this work of genius by Schoenberg
Wonderful technique & interpretive abilities too. It seemed that she is fully engaged with each note, the piece as a whole, and how each note, or group of notes, fit together. Great job!
Wonderful performance. Di Wu really makes this music live. It's far better than I had expected, I'd never heard these 3 pieces Op 11, before. They really are stupendous pieces when they are played as well as Di Wu plays them.
Beautiful interpretation and performance. Schoenberg was always a romantic composer, regardless of whether it's his early, obviously romantic works, the atonal works or the 12-note serialism compositions.
Wonderful! I found this by searching for "atonal music" because I was tired of listening to everything else i knew about. This music is very expressive in a way that is misunderstood, even hated, by many people because it's not what they're used to. I find it funny that it still has that same effect today that it did when it was first written!
I have a feeling that this is the point in history where Schönberg’s music is starting to make sense to a broader public. After 100 years, it was worth it.
excellent performance of this work by Schönberg. One of his first works in the atonal style, the basic for further works by him and A. Berg and A. Webern. Di Wu understand very well this work, to perform it without a music score. Very expressive. Congratulations!
Magistral interpretación. Nunca antes una interpretación de música para piano de Schoenberg me había llamado tan poderosamente la atención. Solo acabar lo he vuelto a oir. Increíble que pueda no gustar a todo oyente atento y curioso. Viva la música y gracias Di Wu!
People can love or hate atonal music, I don’t care. It just pisses me off that people write it off as “terrible” and “random”, when in reality a lot of thought is put into it, especially tone rows. As a young composer just beginning, I have begun to realize how difficult putting tone rows together really is. If you dislike atonal music, that’s fine, but please don’t disrespect it at least.
I know right? I'm trying to study atonality for my composition major, but I'm still not used to it and to my ears, it just sounds... "wrong" because I have that tonal mindset. Still trying to open up to it tho
riteofspring1913 save the effort to prove this is intelligent. bach also used 12 tone music as schoenberg put, in bwv 869 fugue. that fugue is a beautiful fragment of music. but this is garbage. I can use computer programs to compose with polyrythms and pieces of unimaginable complexity by the human brain. it does not make good music.
Compared to numerous works that appear later, this sounds "classical" to me. As for the naysayers they are hardly worth the bother. To get angry at those who are clueless is a waste of energy. Kudos to this young lady Bravura performance. Look forward to more from her. Incredible solo piano piece, one of the most important in the entire repertoire. I still like Pollini's rendition though he does have detractors. Yolo.
@@jaspernatchez Depends, not really, there is a certain degree of getting used to. I can tell you, after finishing my music composition degree atonality sounds like just another system, sometimes more or less dissonant, but I can very well look back and see how I hear the intervals differently, if you play a major 7th to kids in 8th grade learning music most of them will think it really does sound bad and unpleasant. After probably a billion major 7ths, they sound dissonant still, sure, but dissonance doesn't really bother me at all anymore (of course it can sound uninspired, but even "colorful modal harmony" or jazz harmony can sound uninspired depending on voicings and instrumentation and rhythm and all kinds of things)
@@jaspernatchez he is saying schoenberg really took his time with this composition. The different harmony's and connecting elements he incorporates in this really shines out.
There is no other way to judge music than whether it grips you in some way. Sometimes all you can say about it is that «I really felt it at that point in the middle where it went ‘ooomph’». Then, after repeated listening, the thrill may either transmute into a deeper appreciation that the whole piece confirms that bit of meaning, or, you may come to realise that it was just a fluke and the composition doesn’t follow through on its promise. Either way, you don’t owe your experience to anyone, it’s yours and you grow on it in your own way.
I think you mean in the Wiener Klassik/Romantik era?! I don't think that average people usually listen to Bach's fugues. (I do, but people normally don't)
It doesn't matter what music you usually like, eg Gregorian chant, techno or even (dipshit like) Einaudi. If you like something, then you do. And there's nothing to change about it
It's interesting, although this piece was Schoenberg first venture into what eventually became his 12 tone system of tonality, there's still a relatively decent amount of traditional tonality in them. Like Bernstein said, even atonal pieces are written using the same 12 tones that make up the tonal system.
His free atonal style is quite different from his 12-tone style, which didn't start until the 1920s, when Neoclassicism was all over the place. His free atonal works are much more expressionist/late romantic, and the works in the 1920s are often neoclasssical in nature: suites of Baroque-influence dances, etc.
He doesn't end this piece on a Major chord ! from top to bottom D, Eb, B, C♯ in the bass, closest would be enharmonic B - D(♯) instead of Eb which would make it B9 but it clearly isn't.
This is certainly a very good performance but I find it better to listen to it without the video as this girl's mannerisms I find annoying. Nonetheless, a very good performance.
Very interesting and for this type of music very nice composed. But I really do think, that this is nothing against romantic geniuses like Liszt or Chopin. Even with new kinds of cadence, articulation and the players expression Schoenbergs compositions won't achieve that level. It's just "interesting", nothing more.
***** Yes, I know. But, as I said, it's just "interesting" and a musical experiment. You can't revolutionize music with maths. There have to be harmonies and repetitions. And Di Wus extreme agitations do not avoid this unasthetic music. But please don't understand me wrong. Im a great fan of musical expreiments and the idea of expressionism. But in my opinion expressionism has failed.
Without a doubt, I do see your point, some of the Modernist (even Impressionist) piano pieces were too much of a concept or just an idea instead of a product. Unlike composers ("composers") like Brian Ferneuhough though, we know that Schönberg was a genius, just listen to his Gurre-Lieder!
+MagierMondMax I never understood this type of criticism of Schönberg. Sometimes the emotions can become too powerful and threaten to just go berserk... I'd understand that. But claiming it's just "interesting", as in non-emotional, just rational, purely mathematical... I don't understand. It's like criticising Mozart for heavy-handedness, Bach for over-simplifying his harmonic procedures or Mahler for making his themes superfluously over-complicated.
Come'on this is ridiculous. Schoenberg was a con artist. There is nothing musical in that kind of shit. This is just a bunch of note put in random order. You can replace any note by another one without knowing if it's "correct" or not. Actualy, she could have played the whole tune with a false note (according to the partition) every two or three notes and noone would realize
Listen to someone else play this piece and you'll see that it's not just random notes. It was carefully written and played. Of course there will be slight differences every time it's played. Timing, note lengths, pauses, etc, and maybe a few notes different here or there just cuz it's complex. Look at the sheet music for this. Atonal music ftw!
I'm not sure what do people see (or hear) in the complete mess of tunes that's called atonal "music", or in even worse crap that passes as "art" these days. "Emperor's new clothes" syndrome, most likely; the need to feel like a special snowflake intellectual is so strong that one supports even an obvious fraud if it gives a chance to snort at the plebs who "don't understand", even though there is, in reality, nothing to understand at all. Either that, or underlying schitzophrenia; a messed up mind responding to messed up tunes. I'm sure the pianist has put a lot of effort into learning this. But what's the point when I could just sit a 3-year old, or even an orangutang next to a piano, record the playing, transfer it into notation and call it Schönberg's lost masterpiece, played by a talented young artist wishing to remain unknown for now? Not a single one of you who are praising this stuff would be able to tell the difference. A musical "Socal affair" would be incredibly easy to pull off.
of course we would be able to tell the different because when you look at schoenberg's elements he incorporates in his pieces, you can start to see patterns and repetition. Compared to randomly putting notes on a page, you cannot see any patterns because the notes do not follow any path. Please get out of your tonal mindset
Atonal music played with such feeling is very interesting.
One of the great misconceptions of many interpreters of this music, including Pollini etc., is that it should be executed dryly and "percisely" without feeling. This is in direct opposition to Schoenberg's intentions, as is easily evident from his writings and correspondences, as it is from the notation itself.
Just like OAmus says, it is supposed to be played this way. Because in the end, music is there to express something. And you cannot express something when "just pressing down the keys".
Well, one is never just pressing keys, like a cat. Schoenberg wrote these notes down for a reason, a very satisfying one. I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t play Schoenberg without feeling.
@@OAmus "style and idea" by Schoenberg!!
Gould is right!!
This is not atonal music. It is music with fast shifting tonal centres and many free dissonances.
Indeed. Di Wu "sings" very well! Beautiful notes!
Now that is dedication. I am in awe of her, playing this absolute atrocity. All from memory!
Well, I wouldn't say it's an absolute atrocity. I like this kind of music! It sounds appealing, inspiring, and very emotional to my ears.
I completely understand those who don't like it, and at the same time I cannot help but see that taste for art is something subjective.
Peace!
Atrocious? Learn to play keys at a high level in accordance with the pre-atonal system of western music, and the learn to play this work of genius by Schoenberg
It has to be the best version out there. 10/10 Di Wu.
Wonderful technique & interpretive abilities too. It seemed that she is fully engaged with each note, the piece as a whole, and how each note, or group of notes, fit together. Great job!
This really captures how I feel as someone with bipolar depression.
Wonderful performance. Di Wu really makes this music live. It's far better than I had expected, I'd never heard these 3 pieces Op 11, before. They really are stupendous pieces when they are played as well as Di Wu plays them.
The influence of Scriabin is so strongly felt in this work. Note particularly, the texture and rhythmic flow.
Stunning music - stunning performance! Love it so much!
Beautiful interpretation and performance. Schoenberg was always a romantic composer, regardless of whether it's his early, obviously romantic works, the atonal works or the 12-note serialism compositions.
Wonderful sound and phrasing. And absolutely understanding of this music. Congrats to Mrs Di Wu!
Wonderful! I found this by searching for "atonal music" because I was tired of listening to everything else i knew about. This music is very expressive in a way that is misunderstood, even hated, by many people because it's not what they're used to. I find it funny that it still has that same effect today that it did when it was first written!
Thank you, Di Wu, for playing this music as well, and the awesome way you do it. I hope you will stick to it.
Fascinating through the looking glass of history. Superbly played.
I have a feeling that this is the point in history where Schönberg’s music is starting to make sense to a broader public. After 100 years, it was worth it.
Perfect timing. He's PD now.
ADMIRABLE!!! Magnifique! 1000 mercis!!!
Very expressive! Beautiful job!
Genial! Opus. Muy buena interpretación
absolutely phenomenal.
Strong piece and awesome performance!
DI Wu - FANTASTIC!!!
the theme at 6:10 is one of the loneliest sounds in the world
excellent performance of this work by Schönberg. One of his first works in the atonal style, the basic for further works by him and A. Berg and A. Webern. Di Wu understand very well this work, to perform it without a music score. Very expressive. Congratulations!
Magistral interpretación. Nunca antes una interpretación de música para piano de Schoenberg me había llamado tan poderosamente la atención. Solo acabar lo he vuelto a oir. Increíble que pueda no gustar a todo oyente atento y curioso. Viva la música y gracias Di Wu!
Incredible voicing! I wish I had played it this way back in college.
People can love or hate atonal music, I don’t care. It just pisses me off that people write it off as “terrible” and “random”, when in reality a lot of thought is put into it, especially tone rows. As a young composer just beginning, I have begun to realize how difficult putting tone rows together really is. If you dislike atonal music, that’s fine, but please don’t disrespect it at least.
I know right? I'm trying to study atonality for my composition major, but I'm still not used to it and to my ears, it just sounds... "wrong" because I have that tonal mindset. Still trying to open up to it tho
riteofspring1913 save the effort to prove this is intelligent. bach also used 12 tone music as schoenberg put, in bwv 869 fugue. that fugue is a beautiful fragment of music. but this is garbage. I can use computer programs to compose with polyrythms and pieces of unimaginable complexity by the human brain. it does not make good music.
@@mariacillan9668 It doesn't sound wrong because you have a tonal mindset. It sounds wrong because it is wrong. Well-written atonality sounds right.
Compared to numerous works that appear later, this sounds "classical" to me. As for the naysayers they are hardly worth the bother. To get angry at those who are clueless is a waste of energy. Kudos to this young lady
Bravura performance. Look forward to more from her. Incredible solo piano piece, one of the most important in the entire repertoire. I still like Pollini's rendition though he does have detractors. Yolo.
@@jaspernatchez Depends, not really, there is a certain degree of getting used to. I can tell you, after finishing my music composition degree atonality sounds like just another system, sometimes more or less dissonant, but I can very well look back and see how I hear the intervals differently, if you play a major 7th to kids in 8th grade learning music most of them will think it really does sound bad and unpleasant. After probably a billion major 7ths, they sound dissonant still, sure, but dissonance doesn't really bother me at all anymore (of course it can sound uninspired, but even "colorful modal harmony" or jazz harmony can sound uninspired depending on voicings and instrumentation and rhythm and all kinds of things)
This performance great!!
Expressive atonal music great!!
This is what atonal music is meant to be and there was a lot of thought put into this music. Well played too.
" there was a lot of thought put into this music" How do you know?
@@jaspernatchez he is saying schoenberg really took his time with this composition. The different harmony's and connecting elements he incorporates in this really shines out.
@@user-ef4de6ds6f puhleeze
@@jaspernatchez please what?
@@user-ef4de6ds6f Honestly? Please stop attempting to speak about things you obviously have no clue about.
쇤베르크 세 개의 피아노곡 1악장 ~3:15
조표 없이 필요할때마다 임시표를 붙여 정확한 음을 표현하여, 조성을 암시하는 움직임 찾을수 없음. 과거의 협화음-불협화음 구분에서 해방됨.
IT´S soooooooooooooooooooo wonderful!!!
Tremendous!
Arnold Schönberg is the Thelonious Monk of XXth classical.
technically and musically wonderful performance
Brava!
Atonic music such as this make me dream about surrealistic creatures
Captain Beefheart was a surrealistic creature.
And demons travelling on different planes of existence.
Herrlich .
Schoenberg getting mass recognition here
Phantastic. Incredible. Expression and precision. How would Alban Bergs Sonata sound when she plays it?
There is no other way to judge music than whether it grips you in some way. Sometimes all you can say about it is that «I really felt it at that point in the middle where it went ‘ooomph’». Then, after repeated listening, the thrill may either transmute into a deeper appreciation that the whole piece confirms that bit of meaning, or, you may come to realise that it was just a fluke and the composition doesn’t follow through on its promise. Either way, you don’t owe your experience to anyone, it’s yours and you grow on it in your own way.
von nicht zu überbietender Intelligenz und Eindringlichkeit - diese herrliche Frau, aus der Tiefe Asiens
From 07:17 to 08:20 is achingly beautiful and numbingly moving.
do i hear some phrases from Alban Berg's piano sonata?
schoenberg
D’un goût charmant
i love watching people get mad at schönberg because their ears are trapped in the baroque era
Cameron Guarino I personally love music from the baroque era, and I absolutely ADORE atonal music. So there, now they have no excuse.
I think you mean in the Wiener Klassik/Romantik era?! I don't think that average people usually listen to Bach's fugues. (I do, but people normally don't)
It doesn't matter what music you usually like, eg Gregorian chant, techno or even (dipshit like) Einaudi. If you like something, then you do. And there's nothing to change about it
The tonality of the musical work is the sweetness of the drink. Sometimes I want a sugar-free drink.
@@Theosis78 Yes, we inevitably hear harmony.
Strong sweetness kills other tastes.
Le tempo de la première pièce est trop rapide.
Fantastic piece, great performance. Thank you :)
Gorgeous performance
It's interesting, although this piece was Schoenberg first venture into what eventually became his 12 tone system of tonality, there's still a relatively decent amount of traditional tonality in them. Like Bernstein said, even atonal pieces are written using the same 12 tones that make up the tonal system.
His free atonal style is quite different from his 12-tone style, which didn't start until the 1920s, when Neoclassicism was all over the place. His free atonal works are much more expressionist/late romantic, and the works in the 1920s are often neoclasssical in nature: suites of Baroque-influence dances, etc.
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쇤베르크 세개의 피아노곡, 작품번호 11번 1악장 ~3:15
El director de cámaras a los leones.
How does one memorize something like this??? Funny, Schoenberg ends on a major chord!
He doesn't end this piece on a Major chord ! from top to bottom D, Eb, B, C♯ in the bass, closest would be enharmonic B - D(♯) instead of Eb which would make it B9 but it clearly isn't.
0:01~3:15
great performance
best interpretation!Thanks
Showing emotion in Schoenberg ?........ It's time for ROOM 101
at least 0:23-0:30 sounds beautiful lol
Schoenberg >>>>>>>> Chopin
zweiosterei schönberg === chopin
This is certainly a very good performance but I find it better to listen to it without the video as this girl's mannerisms I find annoying. Nonetheless, a very good performance.
I worry about her back though, if she keeps arching it like that for years to come.
Very interesting and for this type of music very nice composed. But I really do think, that this is nothing against romantic geniuses like Liszt or Chopin. Even with new kinds of cadence, articulation and the players expression Schoenbergs compositions won't achieve that level.
It's just "interesting", nothing more.
*****
Yes, I know. But, as I said, it's just "interesting" and a musical experiment. You can't revolutionize music with maths. There have to be harmonies and repetitions. And Di Wus extreme agitations do not avoid this unasthetic music. But please don't understand me wrong. Im a great fan of musical expreiments and the idea of expressionism. But in my opinion expressionism has failed.
Without a doubt, I do see your point, some of the Modernist (even Impressionist) piano pieces were too much of a concept or just an idea instead of a product.
Unlike composers ("composers") like Brian Ferneuhough though, we know that Schönberg was a genius, just listen to his Gurre-Lieder!
+Gum Monster Drei Klavierstücke were neither 12-tone nor serial ;)
+MagierMondMax I never understood this type of criticism of Schönberg. Sometimes the emotions can become too powerful and threaten to just go berserk... I'd understand that. But claiming it's just "interesting", as in non-emotional, just rational, purely mathematical... I don't understand. It's like criticising Mozart for heavy-handedness, Bach for over-simplifying his harmonic procedures or Mahler for making his themes superfluously over-complicated.
Music isn’t a competition. Every piece and composer has its own charm.
Come'on this is ridiculous. Schoenberg was a con artist. There is nothing musical in that kind of shit. This is just a bunch of note put in random order.
You can replace any note by another one without knowing if it's "correct" or not.
Actualy, she could have played the whole tune with a false note (according to the partition) every two or three notes and noone would realize
Listen to someone else play this piece and you'll see that it's not just random notes. It was carefully written and played. Of course there will be slight differences every time it's played. Timing, note lengths, pauses, etc, and maybe a few notes different here or there just cuz it's complex. Look at the sheet music for this. Atonal music ftw!
"ou can replace any note by another one without knowing if it's "correct" or not." Exactly right.
If you think this is great, you have no ear for music. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Thanks, Urb, but I'm beginning to think Francois is right. I can't change the world on YT comments. I think I'm done with them.
Maybe depressed or suicidal people find it beautifull, otherwise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not sure what do people see (or hear) in the complete mess of tunes that's called atonal "music", or in even worse crap that passes as "art" these days.
"Emperor's new clothes" syndrome, most likely; the need to feel like a special snowflake intellectual is so strong that one supports even an obvious fraud if it gives a chance to snort at the plebs who "don't understand", even though there is, in reality, nothing to understand at all.
Either that, or underlying schitzophrenia; a messed up mind responding to messed up tunes.
I'm sure the pianist has put a lot of effort into learning this. But what's the point when I could just sit a 3-year old, or even an orangutang next to a piano, record the playing, transfer it into notation and call it Schönberg's lost masterpiece, played by a talented young artist wishing to remain unknown for now? Not a single one of you who are praising this stuff would be able to tell the difference. A musical "Socal affair" would be incredibly easy to pull off.
Schoenberg would probably love this comment
of course we would be able to tell the different because when you look at schoenberg's elements he incorporates in his pieces, you can start to see patterns and repetition. Compared to randomly putting notes on a page, you cannot see any patterns because the notes do not follow any path. Please get out of your tonal mindset