You def need it to be self balancing(needs to control its own torque). If you go deeper with this concept, you could look into vesc one wheels. The controller could pretty much just drop straight into your frame.
Careful, Onewheel (future motion) are notorious patent trolls. They copied and patented a design by Ben Smither in 2007 and for the Onewheel and now aggressively sue competitors. They will likely try and patent this too. They also are VERY anti consumer and anti right to repair on their existing products.
@@TucksProjectshonestly @rclifeon should probably file a patent on the concept before onewheel does. Gotta love companies that make products with insane levels of planned obsolescence.
I'd stay away from anything from Future Motion. Lots of people love the onewheel but over the years the company has done some very trashy moves. I wish they didn't manage the patents like they do
Like on your electric snow racer it needs suspension to maintain ground contact or like with the other iteration with the big wheel it requires some added weight for traction. Probably didn’t need me to tell you that sorry if you see this as an attack on your intelligence, just suggestions. Also keep up the good work and thank you for the videos, and the one track is pretty cool maybe a programmable esc might help with the acceleration of the motor and maybe an alteration to the design of the tracks where they are wider and thicker to deal with weight dispersal.
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Yeah... added traction also means added traction on slide surface. Issue was lack of suspension and track was too high comparing the snow surface. After adding suspension of push the track on the snow, next issue would become how much the printed everything can take. From the possible ideas the board made more sense. The one wheel i would just put to replace bicycle rear tire and put ski on front. Even then it would only work in shallow snow, while powder really needs rubber track of a snowmobile to have any decent action in actual snow. Hell even snowmobiles struggle on some kinds of snow, i have gotten stuck plenty of times even though its long track model with plenty of power and only me as cargo. Also thing to consider is to have some kind of shield since if the track snaps, what are the directions for it to fly towards?
Been watching this channel for a good couple of years now. Never had any interest in a onewheel till this year. Just bought one last week and now out of the blue he posts a video like this. We live in a simulation I stg. Love this channel and ow.
Lock up vescify, VESC motor controller that gives you one wheel self balance features. Like future motion, but if you disconnect your battery is will not brick it self.
I think the biggest issue with the tracked "onewheel" is the high center of gravity. I think if you could lower your gearing so you get smoother lower rpm torque and add an IMU for basic balance control it could work better.
Do you know a place to buy this tracks that isn't super expensive? I have a similar project in mind I have been looking for some similar type of track. Thanks
I just want to take the time to say thanks. As an aspiring mechanical engineering student, you really inspire me to try new things because there's merit in experimenting. You make really cool stuff that honestly tickle my brain and make me think which I appreciate and enjoy. Cheers!
I think your problem is, that you are not riding on the treads, you are just trying to push the board with the treads almost at board level. the aluminium frame probably just flexes up and gives the treads no traction. If you make two of those tread assemblies, one in the front and back and power the rear one, you probably swoosh away like nobodies business
I think you should revisit this with a gearing change raise the front a tooth or lower the rear a few and see if that torque is a little more manageable. Keep up the awesome videos. Love watching you make stuff.
3:17 Why is there a bearing on the support of the axle AND on the cog turning around the axle? one set is redudant and could/should be secured. it'll safe you in the cost for sure.
Yah Daniels stuff would be better if he wasn't such a trump loving boomer's boy.. the toxic masculinity and Nazi vibes are real, even had a mod in his discord with a swastika flag for an avatar.
Looks like the track was on the wrong way around while on the snowboard. The ”scoops” were facing the wrong way, but on the onewheel it was turning the way they were designed 😊
For the snowboard, place the motor behind the tracks, to distribute the weight. Put it on the end of a beam, so you can adjust the height, and add a cantilever load (weight.)
For the snow, I think the blades just aren't positioned right. They're almost level with the board and it just pushes the top layer straight back. Snowmobiles really dig into the snow and the ENTIRE bottom of the snowmobile is treads, so the entire weight of the snowmobile on on those treads, which allows it to really dig in. Also, having a longer length of treads gives an area where it can push snow/sand backwards and that snow/sand can not just be flung back, like when a tire tried to spin in snow and sand. It also had a LOT of flat surface against the ground and that could be limiting also. Having a more parabolic/curved surface might limit contact and friction. I really think the original design could work if tweaked/adjusted a little better.
Your 3D Print mounts are often so simple, you could make them faster, cheaper and easier out of sheet metal. And they will not break. I see you making torque parts out of 3D print plastic so regularly, and everytime I patiently wait for the moment when they fail
@@spaceboi4468Yeah but he spent a whole kg of plastic on a single motor mount. That's 20 bucks roughly. You can make a sheet metal mount pretty quickly with primitive tools for 5 bucks of material. And it will be even lighter
FOR STRONGEST 3D PRINTS - print max number of walls(perimeters)... infill is not important... If you calibrate flow correctly you can put 100 walls so your whole model is only walls, no infill. Also, print at pretty much max temp of your filament (around 220°C for PLA). Model orientation matters a lot - usually it can withstand 2x stronger forces in horizontal than vertical direction. For stronger layer adhesion print slower, smaller layer height and 0% fan (except where you have bridging). This is all backed up experimentally in many videos of CNC Kitchen guy.
On electric skateboards you have an ESC control unit that makes sure you get a smooth start and stop. I recommend you either buy one and use that maybe?
Adding an Arduino with a couple of accelerometers could help you moderate your motor output to make starting and stopping less violent. Very cool project!
I wonder if there's a way to experiment with the geometry of the track link design to make it less jarring? Curved profiles? Thinner links with more overlap? Trying to think if there are shapes like the Reuleaux triangle that have non-constant width, but that also roll like a ball...
it would need convex profile to steer, but the longer the track like that would be the less steering effect it could have. and some balancing electronic for the power delivery i suppose. but the one wheel concept basically doesn't work with anything that isn't a tire more or less.
@@lasskinn474 Maybe instead of a flat contact patch against the ground, it needs a curved one? To make it more like a tire? Maybe he could make some kind of bogey system that started out flat so you could stand on it, but as you leaned forward, it'd push the bogies into a curved path and then move forward. Also, if he wanted it to be off road, he could make the profile of the treads convex, like you said. The "road contact" portion could be smooth or rubber, and then have the paddle section make contact if it's sinking into sand or dirt or snow.
Looks like the chain drive is pivoting at the place where it is connected to the snowboard. Therefore it is lifted of the ground and isn't pushed in snow/sand enough.
A couple thoughts. If you print the tracks out of tpu it might be tougher. Get an esc that can slowly ramp the torque, so it doesn't kick out from under you.
Maybe look into printing in a honey comb pattern, it makes the prints 30% stronger. Also maybe a torque coupler would help too. Awesome video and can't wait to see more from you.
Another amazing project involving insane motors and batteries! Always fun to watch. I have a question about brushless motors and ESC. Some of my studients have to electrify a wheel chair (only for assistance, not to fully power it). They chose a 5" motor wheel of 250W @ 36V. They plan to power it up under 12V, to limit the speed (6km according to the vendor). How can they determine the maximum current the motor can use (at startup, or when blocked), in order to choose the correct ESC?
You def need it to be self balancing(needs to control its own torque). If you go deeper with this concept, you could look into vesc one wheels. The controller could pretty much just drop straight into your frame.
Or get a gyro and RCTestFlight to implement some ArduPilot self-balancing board mode. ;)
I agree, it is a control system problem. I admire his persistence and hope he continues on this one. SO COOL!
Vesc would be great making it an actual "one wheel" that would most likely also be able to go up that hill without issues.
a spring chain tensioner would help the chain slap .
my thought exactly. should do a collab with RCTestflight, send him your stuff, make him fit a pid control loop based on kalman gyro/acc
10:44 that face of disappointment inching along out of the view was brilliant! 🤣
Awesome video and great effort, we can't win them all!
Haha ja 100%! :D
No imperial measssures involved here.^^
@@hanswurstusbrachialus5213 nope, but inch works better in that sentence than centimeters, don't you agree?
He must first have an advanced expression control system
Super fun! We’ve been wanting to try this out ourselves! If you want to try to refine your design shoot us a message. We might be able to help out!
Id buy it
Careful, Onewheel (future motion) are notorious patent trolls. They copied and patented a design by Ben Smither in 2007 and for the Onewheel and now aggressively sue competitors. They will likely try and patent this too. They also are VERY anti consumer and anti right to repair on their existing products.
Why dont you go worry about your product recalls, bad designs, and anti consumer practices instead of commenting on videos...
@@TucksProjectshonestly @rclifeon should probably file a patent on the concept before onewheel does. Gotta love companies that make products with insane levels of planned obsolescence.
I'd stay away from anything from Future Motion. Lots of people love the onewheel but over the years the company has done some very trashy moves.
I wish they didn't manage the patents like they do
Like on your electric snow racer it needs suspension to maintain ground contact or like with the other iteration with the big wheel it requires some added weight for traction. Probably didn’t need me to tell you that sorry if you see this as an attack on your intelligence, just suggestions. Also keep up the good work and thank you for the videos, and the one track is pretty cool maybe a programmable esc might help with the acceleration of the motor and maybe an alteration to the design of the tracks where they are wider and thicker to deal with weight dispersal.
That was my thought to, even before he tested it. When he stod on it the whole drivetrain flexed upwards and didnt get any weight down on the ground.
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🔵 It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone.
🔴 It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine.
🌍 The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
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how is this guy still alive
7:35
normal people: take pets for walk
simon: takes snowboard 2000 for a walk
14:13, Glass is glass and glass breaks
I caught that too!
Snow board would've worked if you had lowered the track further. It had power but not enough weight for the tracks to get grip
But did the plastic scratch at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7?
3d printed more like a level 4
We all know by now that you are brilliant AF. BUT…
When you showed up at the beach, I said to myself, huh…. 😂😂
Yeah... added traction also means added traction on slide surface. Issue was lack of suspension and track was too high comparing the snow surface. After adding suspension of push the track on the snow, next issue would become how much the printed everything can take. From the possible ideas the board made more sense. The one wheel i would just put to replace bicycle rear tire and put ski on front. Even then it would only work in shallow snow, while powder really needs rubber track of a snowmobile to have any decent action in actual snow. Hell even snowmobiles struggle on some kinds of snow, i have gotten stuck plenty of times even though its long track model with plenty of power and only me as cargo.
Also thing to consider is to have some kind of shield since if the track snaps, what are the directions for it to fly towards?
Check out the open source VESC projects.. has a balancing algo in it already ...
^this. You need to add a cheap Gyro IMU then it works perfectly
rcLifeOn vs rcTestFlight is the colab this world needs!
Been watching this channel for a good couple of years now. Never had any interest in a onewheel till this year. Just bought one last week and now out of the blue he posts a video like this. We live in a simulation I stg. Love this channel and ow.
Why not control the speed by the tilt of the board?
Weeks of work and cost implementing gyros, software etc for starters. This guy's extremely talented but not a big coder as far as I know.
@@nonsequitor You probably know better than me. I thought this would be a reasonably easy task
Can you please provide info on what planetary gear reducer you used?
Split ring compound planatery is what it seems to look like but not sure
Or maybe a simple planatery
Lock up vescify, VESC motor controller that gives you one wheel self balance features. Like future motion, but if you disconnect your battery is will not brick it self.
Amazing ain't it
You need actual foc controller with good current control like many vesc based controllers for smooth control
Don't give up on the tracked snow board!
Totally! I had basically that same idea several years ago when I was obsessed with snowboarding. I always wondered if it could work.
All of his edits make me so happy
I think the biggest issue with the tracked "onewheel" is the high center of gravity. I think if you could lower your gearing so you get smoother lower rpm torque and add an IMU for basic balance control it could work better.
Funny the person who made the most popular open source self balancing code is also named Mitch!
Make a drone that will fly using motors that will move once a minute!!!
Next you could go back to the snowboard and do dual tracks but use all aluminum frame, not the snowboard itself
Or could have added a thread guard on top of em so you could stand on it so it would get traction as body shifts position
Probably need to add a dynamic motor controller much the same as the one wheel
Actually the VESC he used already supports self balancing. Only a gyro module needed.
Such beautiful snowy landscape.
they make small rubber tracks for snowblowers. id say to have a reliable tracked one wheel that's what you would need.
Do you know a place to buy this tracks that isn't super expensive? I have a similar project in mind I have been looking for some similar type of track.
Thanks
@@nbasseI think a place that services snowblowers maybe would have spares? Or just AliExpress and pay $$$ and wait months
Put a VESC controller in it and run float package. That should help it run better
Ye, already has a VESC just need Gyro IMU wired up
You should try to see if flexible TPU is better for the tracks
You need a cnc router. Just make the mounts from metal, so much easier and no more breaking.
I think you need a gyroscope to control the speed, longer and smoother tracks.
Try to use a Gyro tilt sensor to try to balance like a Hoverboard, Its way easier to control!!!
It's the right arm at 7:31 🤣
I've never seen anyone make such good use of a 3D printer. Awesome!
overuse ≠ good use
Then you haven't seen much in life sadly.
In your line of work, I'd call each project a success if you are still breathing at the end of testing it.
this needs a gyro feedback control system so it behaves like an actual onewheel, then maybe you can ride it with all its power.
Yea the VESC project has self balancing features. Easy enough to setup
You are a natural... entertainer!
maybe double the length of the track and then mount the snowboard on top?
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What material is the tracks printed of?
I just want to take the time to say thanks. As an aspiring mechanical engineering student, you really inspire me to try new things because there's merit in experimenting. You make really cool stuff that honestly tickle my brain and make me think which I appreciate and enjoy. Cheers!
I think your problem is, that you are not riding on the treads, you are just trying to push the board with the treads almost at board level. the aluminium frame probably just flexes up and gives the treads no traction. If you make two of those tread assemblies, one in the front and back and power the rear one, you probably swoosh away like nobodies business
I think you should revisit this with a gearing change raise the front a tooth or lower the rear a few and see if that torque is a little more manageable. Keep up the awesome videos. Love watching you make stuff.
Man wtf? I made my snowboard electric with those sames freaking stl files from RcTestFlight!
Baffled to see we had the same idea 😊
3:17 Why is there a bearing on the support of the axle AND on the cog turning around the axle? one set is redudant and could/should be secured. it'll safe you in the cost for sure.
Man you are awsome! This and youtube channel staff made its best!
You should add a rotation sensor, letting it measure your lean like a normal one-wheel
Yea there is open source code for it!
You are crazy bro. Please never change. You are clever.
Whoa rctestflight crossover. My two favourite channels!
Yah Daniels stuff would be better if he wasn't such a trump loving boomer's boy.. the toxic masculinity and Nazi vibes are real, even had a mod in his discord with a swastika flag for an avatar.
Genius. Plz give us more
I am not sure which kind of ESC or "devolter" (in your video) you are using, but perhaps you can change settings to change the power curve?
The VESC he is using supports self balancing when properly setup it would work great
The "Snowmobil Snowboard" idea might work well on a powdery mountain in the winter. If you try it im waiting for the inevitable Cboys collab :D
Just want to say I’ve been here since your first vid and I got into 3d modeling and printing because of your channel. Cheers!
Very cool build!
Rather than splitting and stapling heat shrink, a very good option is something called fusion tape. Works great for stuff like that.
Future motion is coming
What are those tracks are made out of. Probably needs to be printed out of tougher plastic to hold up. Maybe nylon or high durometer TPU.
I love this man! I fail on the regular and glad to see we all do it.
Tak for de ærlige og skønne videoer!
Og tillykke med medlemskabet af NATO 💪🏼
Love your content ❤
same!!
will a track gyro enough for balance? track will always want to wheelie i would think. flat rubber padded tracks may be better for 1 wheel too btw
i like that you fully included the sand driving scene xD
still waiting for the day dude figures out that adding perimeters to prints makes them stronger.
Whats that?
have you tried to turn down the acceleration within your motor controller?
Looks like the track was on the wrong way around while on the snowboard. The ”scoops” were facing the wrong way, but on the onewheel it was turning the way they were designed 😊
Have you ever tried TPU tracks? Either segmented or continuous loop of you have printer big enough.
What you built is what I imagined a tracked snowboard would look like. I mean how else are you going to get your weight over the drive?
When will start live streaming again ?
3:15 how is it going to steer?
Why did you double stacked the bearings?
For the snowboard, place the motor behind the tracks, to distribute the weight.
Put it on the end of a beam, so you can adjust the height, and add a cantilever load (weight.)
For the snow, I think the blades just aren't positioned right. They're almost level with the board and it just pushes the top layer straight back. Snowmobiles really dig into the snow and the ENTIRE bottom of the snowmobile is treads, so the entire weight of the snowmobile on on those treads, which allows it to really dig in. Also, having a longer length of treads gives an area where it can push snow/sand backwards and that snow/sand can not just be flung back, like when a tire tried to spin in snow and sand. It also had a LOT of flat surface against the ground and that could be limiting also. Having a more parabolic/curved surface might limit contact and friction. I really think the original design could work if tweaked/adjusted a little better.
Your 3D Print mounts are often so simple, you could make them faster, cheaper and easier out of sheet metal. And they will not break. I see you making torque parts out of 3D print plastic so regularly, and everytime I patiently wait for the moment when they fail
I think he is using pla, he should realy try pctg(yes with a c), or tough pla before spending the money to get the parts made of a sheet of medal
@@spaceboi4468Yeah but he spent a whole kg of plastic on a single motor mount. That's 20 bucks roughly. You can make a sheet metal mount pretty quickly with primitive tools for 5 bucks of material. And it will be even lighter
FOR STRONGEST 3D PRINTS - print max number of walls(perimeters)... infill is not important... If you calibrate flow correctly you can put 100 walls so your whole model is only walls, no infill. Also, print at pretty much max temp of your filament (around 220°C for PLA). Model orientation matters a lot - usually it can withstand 2x stronger forces in horizontal than vertical direction. For stronger layer adhesion print slower, smaller layer height and 0% fan (except where you have bridging). This is all backed up experimentally in many videos of CNC Kitchen guy.
On electric skateboards you have an ESC control unit that makes sure you get a smooth start and stop.
I recommend you either buy one and use that maybe?
Combine both projects to a snowboard with a track in the middle?
Your videos make me happy.🙂
Adding an Arduino with a couple of accelerometers could help you moderate your motor output to make starting and stopping less violent. Very cool project!
Amazed the plastic parts put up with as much as they did!
That’s so cool bro, keep working on that project ✊
Besides the awesome projects, your editing with the bad words is hilarious 😂🍻
Do you still make Plastophanes ? Should they be heat tempered after printing like other prints ?
I swear each cut you're wearing even more RVRC gear :D (love their stuff) hahah
Awesome! Pls build it out. Love to see this as an trail unitrack
I wonder if there's a way to experiment with the geometry of the track link design to make it less jarring? Curved profiles? Thinner links with more overlap? Trying to think if there are shapes like the Reuleaux triangle that have non-constant width, but that also roll like a ball...
it would need convex profile to steer, but the longer the track like that would be the less steering effect it could have.
and some balancing electronic for the power delivery i suppose. but the one wheel concept basically doesn't work with anything that isn't a tire more or less.
@@lasskinn474 Maybe instead of a flat contact patch against the ground, it needs a curved one? To make it more like a tire? Maybe he could make some kind of bogey system that started out flat so you could stand on it, but as you leaned forward, it'd push the bogies into a curved path and then move forward. Also, if he wanted it to be off road, he could make the profile of the treads convex, like you said. The "road contact" portion could be smooth or rubber, and then have the paddle section make contact if it's sinking into sand or dirt or snow.
Revolution Race pants look fly as frick man.
I did something similar with 2 tracks and two cheap 6384 motors.... It dug a hole like yours... I printed the tracks in tpu and it works great.
Looks like the chain drive is pivoting at the place where it is connected to the snowboard. Therefore it is lifted of the ground and isn't pushed in snow/sand enough.
A couple thoughts. If you print the tracks out of tpu it might be tougher. Get an esc that can slowly ramp the torque, so it doesn't kick out from under you.
Very nice! I love the idea. Thanks for sharing. Are you going to invest in a CNC one day to some headaches of broken parts?
Y'all still have snow in Sweden? I'm in northern Canada and we've been fucked by global warming. Never even got the snow machines out this year.
Maybe look into printing in a honey comb pattern, it makes the prints 30% stronger. Also maybe a torque coupler would help too. Awesome video and can't wait to see more from you.
Where did the gearbox come from?
Hade du inte bara kunnat göra ett fäste för lite vikt över bakdelen på snowboarden?
Look into the ripple electric snowboard
That's a radiomaster TX16s case over on the counter/worktable right? my mans has good taste in radios. Hope you went ELRS.
Another amazing project involving insane motors and batteries! Always fun to watch.
I have a question about brushless motors and ESC. Some of my studients have to electrify a wheel chair (only for assistance, not to fully power it). They chose a 5" motor wheel of 250W @ 36V.
They plan to power it up under 12V, to limit the speed (6km according to the vendor).
How can they determine the maximum current the motor can use (at startup, or when blocked), in order to choose the correct ESC?
Doesnt your motor mount melt? I had That probleem myself
this is actually such a cool concept. if you had a self balancing mechanism the way one wheel does, this would be such a great little vehicle!
so like just a thought what if u make that same contraption on the other side of the board it should hopefully work
i see a neptune 4 i think at the back, is it good?
Good job. Keep experimenting.