As a Saudi atheist, this was one of the main reasons why I left the religion. What Mohammed did to Safiya is barbaric and brutal. No way this is an act of a prophet of god.
@smsoq صراحة هذي النتيجة الي وصلت لها. اشكرك على انك تمنانلي الخير لكن كل واحد وافكاره. بانهاية ياليت كلنا نحترم بعض ونقلل من الحقد والكراهية. بالتوفيق
@@daviskaya100Question, you idiot, what is the penalty for high treason? If we defend our land and our people, we become terrorists. What is this stupid logic?
So, I had to rewatch this to see why it is banned in Pakistan now. I completely understand. Your balanced, rational and compassionate approach is very challenging to existing narratives. It makes people think, and that is very dangerous to the status quo.
Glad you think so. Sadly, I have a feeling whoever flagged it didn't even bother to watch the content of the video. They probably just saw the picture and the title and that was enough for them. Very annoying.
Really happy to see more voices from the ex Muslim community find their voice. Yourself, Apostate Aladdin, Nuriyah Kahn and Infidel Noodle are doing amazing work. I just wish I could support you guys more
The weird thing, or maybe appealing thing for some believers, about Islam is that some do practice it as a religion of peace by ignoring the violence in it, while others practice it as religion of violence by ignoring the peace in it.
This video was brilliant.. so balanced and concise. When you challenge the viewers to really engage all their 5 senses into this story... the story becomes very difficult to digest. It is brutal and really sad
It is especially brutal and sad when we consider that Muslims consider Muhammad to be the benchmark for a good man and leader. That really does not show in this incident. Thank your for your comment :)
all the apologetic arguments vanish when you take into account the fact that Muhammad is meant to be an example of a perfect human who should be copied by all hus followers and whose decisions in VII century should be perpetuated by every Muslim for eternity. which means that no matter what year it is, culturally it will be always VII century, with no hope of changing anything. everything the Quran says about the relationships between Muhammad and the Jewish tribes of Medina is just an excuse for his desire to exterminate those eho rejected him after his giftless attempt to appropriate their religion which he didn’t even bother to learn properly and which stories, the ones he managed to steal for his new cult, he didn’t even understand or was able to accurately contextualize. that’s why his excuses for his Jew-hatred look so lame for anyone who knows how to read the Torah and how to apply the Jewish laws. which laws are even applicable and which aren’t. which are universal and which are meant for certain situations and aren’t even active anymore. Judaism isn’t static or dogmatic. that’s the whole point. it doesn’t have any perfect figure everyone should follow. Islam, on the other hand, is all about the cult of personality. and this personality, if you take a closer look at it, isn’t just imperfect, but of someone who shouldn’t be followed by anyone. I struggle to find any sin that this man hasn’t committed. a truly demonic figure presented as some kind of ideal. and his hatred of Jews was based not just on their rejection of his warped teaching, but also by hus attempt to get rid of anyone who could tell the real story. like a plagiarist who tries to kill the real author of the novel he stole. this is the reason of dehumanisation of Jews by Islam: to prevent Muslims in all generations from ever looking into the original and even if they do, to disregard the original whenever it contradicts the warped re-telling of the same stories by Quran.
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 oh tarikh. repeating a muslim iie loud and often doesn't make it true. if muhammad was really the greatest prophet allah could produce he would make it obvious to everyone in mecca by speaking from a storm cloud and proclaiming that all the thousands of previous revelations were corrupted but nobody ever noticed a change in scriptures. from now on he would make sure quran doesn't get corrupted. the quran has many examples of allah making lame excuses for muhammad. 1) he is only a warner 2) people didn't obey when he did miracles for other prophets so he can't be bothered to do it any more 3) the beautiful words of quran are proof enough of divinity. allah needed to turn some disbeliever into a pillar of salt to prove he is the real god.
Thanks for share this work, we appreciate it, history should be free from politics and religion. it is a very sad story, i am a muslim. i will learn more about about it ...
Thank you for this comment, I also appreciate you taking the time to watch this. Many of these things, I did not learn when I was Muslim personally, and I think it helps to learn more about our faiths.
Peace be upon you, here is a Muslim brother that knows a bit about Islamic history don't bother yourself about this fabrication, when the prophet (PBUH) arrived medina he and the Jews had a pact of security and brotherhood, the pact was more about peace and togetherness, infact some rightful Jews do join the prophet in battle against quraish eg battle of Uhud in fulfilment of the oath they took. However the evil ones amongst them reverted to hypocrisy as he arrived medina so any threat to Muslim in Madina, they(Jews) consider it as an opportunity to get rid of the prophet instead of fulfilling the oath they took, the security of the muslims in Madina largely depends on the Jewish fortress as they sorround madian in all direction except the front hence the prophet asked the Muslim to dig trench at the front to booster their security, so the rear , the right and left sides are covered by Jewish community and a mountain instead of them to honour the pact they took sides with the quraish in order to kill the muslims in totality. I see it as a complete breach of treaty and the consequence of such should take place. Just imagine, if they succeeded in their goal, that would have bury the Islam instantly.
I hear ya, Ramadan was pretty tough the first couple years I was ex-Muslim :( P.S. I will likely be doing a live stream for ex-Muslims to share their Ramadan experiences or general stories very soon, if you'd be interested in calling in.
👏😐 Great video. It really shook my faith when I first heard this story, it really boggled my mind when I heard apologetics for this. P.s I'm ex-muslim now. Best wishes
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania would the role model for all mankind kill all men (including boys who started having pubes) and take the women and children as slaves? Is this the standard for a good person?
@@SecularSpirit why don't you call yourself new-kafir? Instead of ex-muslim? Even with your new status of disbeliever you can't move on from having been a Muslim once. So pathetic.
Thanks for shedding light on this story in such an articulated and neutral way. You take the islamic narrative as is, without challenging it, and we see that there are still issues. I hope that Muslims would be able to have such an unbiased and honest approach when analyzing such stories (the same they ask others for). If any Muslim is looking at this comment and thinking "oh exmuslims/critics of Islam are just so biased, that's why they don't see the truth", I dare you to watch this video and answer under this comment what bias do you find in it.
On how Christianity can learn from Islam, King Charles says: "Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is the poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe."
Lets add some historical evidence here that people need to know...During the Abbasid Caliphate in ninth century southern Iraq, the Zanj Rebellion lasted for nearly 15 years, and was the greatest protest movement by( African slaves )not arabic people in the Islamic world. The Zanj were used for manual labor in the salt marshes of Basra.The Banu Qurayza were a Jewish tribe which lived in northern Arabia, at the oasis of Yathrib (now known as Medina). They were one of the three major Jewish tribes of the city, along with the Banu Qaynuqa and Banu Nadir.[1] Jewish tribes reportedly arrived in Hijaz in the wake of the Jewish-Roman wars and introduced agriculture, putting them in a culturally, economically and politically dominant position.........I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW JEWS WERE BLACK PEOPLE? HMMM.
I’ve noticed that quite a few ex Muslim channels eventually become inactive/ less active. I imagine one grows overwhelmed by the tsunami of hate. Do get a lot of hate, if so, how do you deal with it?
Hey Kylie, great question. In my case, it's really mostly that I have a time-consuming day job so I sometimes just don't have the time/energy to work on the channel. But also, having to do this content knowing it is against the mainstream celebration of Islam does make it challenging emotionally, because it feels like fighting the tide. I don't get as much hate as others to be honest, but I do get my share. In the end, I largely try to ignore it or find the humour in it.
@@SecularSpirit I see. Must help to have a job outside of this - at least you can take your mind off of it. I’m an ex Muslim convert, converted at a very young age - 13 when I had no access to any real information/ internet. At the time, the tide was very much against Islam. My friends - who I’m sure had good intentions convinced me that this religion is nothing like what people say. Cherry picked the nice parts, left out the parts that raise eyebrows. You know the rest. They used my turbulent upbringing, abusive family and the ideas of “corrupt” media, anti-jewish conspiracy theories and the wars in the Middle East to draw me in into the the “us vs them” narrative. As I got older, I got access to all sorts of information. Even just books from Islamic sources. I started asking questions about the violence, child rape/ molestation, sex slavery and apostasy elements, but they’d blame my doubts of the Shaitan and they would remind me of the “hellfire” 😂 I genuinely believe it screws up the mind of most decent people- which is why I don’t hate Muslims, I doubt they really believe these things to be acceptable deep down. Frustratingly, my 16 year old niece is now being targeted by the parents of her Muslim friends.. it’s like looking back at me and seeing it all unfold again. I got hold of some numbers and told them that if they want to invite her to Islam, they should tell her about every element, not just the western friendly parts. Had no response. Anyway, thank you from one ex Muslim to another, for speaking out. The tide is big but I hope one day people will look back and see things for what they are.
@@kyliereed200 Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your story and perspective. Your experiences are sadly very familiar, but I'm glad you came out of it with a positive outlook and advising how to help others like your niece. For me, I can't help but do this even though the tide is big. It does come with the hope that things will change one day.
"how the same Islamic story that I found moving and inspiring as a child..." Just curious, why did you find the story moving and inspiring? Would like to know if every child would think the same way, as that would give us insights into why we readily accept disturbing/unacceptable events in religious texts or history. Thank you.
I think it was the underdog aspect of the first Muslims, the resilience against much bigger and powerful forces, that really inspired me as a kid. So this is all factually true, but what moved me as well was that they were fighting for good when the world around them was evil, which I later realized was just indoctrination.
I am not 100% sure but I think there is a source that states that the prophet personally carried out the executions -it took the whole day and blood was flowing everywhere. Actually there are either Persian or Mughal miniatures that I have seen that show Muhammad doing this. Drawings of the prophet, contrary to popular belief, were allowed in specific contexts - usually for the use of elites in the royal and imperial courts of Persia and India.
@@blueblubber6607 I have looked up the Persian and Mughal miniatures on the internet and the ones I found showed Muhammad and Ayesha looking on very very close to the action, in front row seats as it were, with an executioner doing the actual work!
@@kaloarepo288 yes, I know this painting. The basis for my comment was the the chapter "Executors" in the Wiki article "Invasion of Banu Qurayza". In the end it doesn't really matter as it is clear that Mohamed stood behind the genocide which would bring him a livelong sentence behind prison bars nowadays.
@@efootballmania "So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A) Historians are undecided to which extend this treaty really existed. B) Apparently Mohamed made an hostile speech towards the Jews earlier which, unsurprisingly, made them rethink their position. C) Even if all these allegations were correct the term "genocide" still applies, i.e. when it comes to the mass killing of uninvolved youngsters down to puberty age. Don't fool yourself with foul excuses.
@@blueblubber6607 1. Name one historian and their reference. 2. Hostile speech which made them rethink their position? Can you show it to me? 3. Where is your reference to that?
The Banu Qureza story refers to an event that occurred during the early days of Islam in Medina, in which a Jewish tribe known as Banu Qureza was besieged and ultimately defeated by the Muslim community led by the Prophet Muhammad. The Banu Qureza tribe had a treaty with the Muslims, but they allegedly violated it by conspiring with the Meccan army to attack Medina. The Prophet Muhammad and his followers, along with their allies, fought against the Meccans in the Battle of the Trench, which ended in a stalemate. Following the battle, the Muslims turned their attention to the Banu Qureza, who had remained neutral during the battle but were suspected of treachery. After a siege of several weeks, the Banu Qureza surrendered to the Muslims, who appointed a Jewish arbitrator to judge them according to Jewish law. The arbitrator ruled that the men of the tribe should be executed, while the women and children should be enslaved. The Prophet Muhammad agreed to the ruling, and the men of the tribe were subsequently executed, while the women and children were enslaved. The Banu Qureza story has been the subject of controversy and debate among historians and scholars of Islam. Some have criticized the harshness of the punishment, while others have defended it as a necessary measure to maintain the security of the Muslim community.
According to historical accounts, the Banu Qureza tribe had a treaty with the Muslims, which obligated them to remain neutral in any conflict between the Muslims and their enemies. However, during the Battle of the Trench, the Banu Qureza allegedly conspired with the Meccan army to attack Medina from within. They reportedly allowed the Meccan army to approach Medina from their side and agreed to join the attack from the inside. When the plot was discovered, the Prophet Muhammad and his companions ordered the Banu Qureza to be besieged for their alleged treachery.
The punishment for treachery varied depending on the circumstances and the cultural norms of the time. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there were no fixed rules or guidelines for dealing with treachery, and punishments could range from fines and compensation to more severe forms of punishment, such as exile or execution. In the case of the Banu Qureza, the punishment of the men of the tribe by execution was considered by the arbitrator to be in accordance with the Jewish law. This was the legal system under which the Banu Qureza lived, as they were a Jewish tribe. It's worth noting that there were different interpretations and practices of Jewish law at that time, and not all Jewish authorities would have necessarily agreed with the arbitrator's ruling. It's also important to recognize that the Banu Qureza were not punished solely for their alleged treachery, but also for their violation of the treaty with the Muslims. The punishment was thus seen as a means to deter other tribes from violating their treaties with the Muslims in the future, and to maintain the security and stability of the Muslim community in Medina.
There is no clear evidence to suggest that the Prophet Muhammad personally considered the punishment of the Banu Qureza to be excessively harsh or unjust. However, it's worth noting that the Prophet Muhammad was known for his mercy and compassion, and he generally discouraged excessive punishment or revenge. Some historians and scholars have pointed out that the punishment of the Banu Qureza was in accordance with the laws and customs of the time, and that it was a necessary measure to protect the security and stability of the Muslim community. Others have criticized the severity of the punishment, arguing that it was disproportionate to the alleged crime and that it set a dangerous precedent for future conflicts. Regardless of one's perspective on the matter, it's important to note that the story of the Banu Qureza is a complex and contested historical event, and its interpretation and significance continue to be debated among scholars of Islam and the history of the Arabian Peninsula.
@tubba-dg7to The Quran mentions Jews in several verses, and the overall tone towards Jews is complex and multifaceted. Some verses praise the Jewish people, while others criticize their actions or beliefs. One of the key themes in the Quran regarding Jews is their status as the "chosen people" of God. In Surah Al-Baqarah, for example, it is said that God preferred the Children of Israel above all other nations (2:47). However, the Quran also criticizes Jews for failing to live up to the high standards set for them as the chosen people. Surah Al-Maidah, for example, states that some Jews have distorted the meaning of their scripture and disobeyed God's commandments (5:13). There are also several verses in the Quran that describe conflicts between the Prophet Muhammad and Jewish tribes in Medina. These verses criticize the Jewish tribes for their perceived treachery and for rejecting the message of Islam. However, it is important to note that these verses are specific to the historical context in which they were revealed and should not be taken as a blanket condemnation of all Jews. Overall, the Quran's treatment of Jews is nuanced and multifaceted, and it is important to read these verses in their historical and cultural context. Muslims are also encouraged to treat all people, including Jews, with respect and compassion, as the Quran teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of God.
@Ibn_al_sham123 do muslims follow the laws of other imperfect, corrupted, poorly preserved religions? Or are muslims supposed to follow the "Final Revelation of The One True God" by way of his messenger, aka the ultimate moral standard of conduct, Muhammad? If it's the latter then you contradict defining Muhammad as either "moral" or "re-definitive". If it's the former then your prophet is a Jewish LARPer aka a kafir LARPer
Surely, that could not have been the best solution from an all merciful god. If pMo is compared to any other profet of any other religion, they would not have much in common. On the other hand if pMo is compared to any cult leader(past or present), I'm sure there'd be lots in common. A simple analysis any moslym can do.
Alhamdulillah. We are not swayed by these weak liberal arguments. It was justice for what the traitors had done. Allah is the most merciful and the most harsh in punishment at the same time. Too bad your brain cannot reconcile these two attributes. If a man is criminal, he is responsible for the impact on is family I.e. loss of wealth, freedom. Not the the judge.
@@A2-Star438what I think is sad is that I can apply their logic to what happening to Palestinians, by their logic israelis have to right to do what they are doing
Elon Musk gave brief remarks, praising Islam at the 2023 World Government Summit Musk explained, "While Rome was falling, Islam was rising, so you had a caliphate doing well while Rome was doing terribly. And that ended up being a source of preservation of knowledge and many scientific advancements." "So I think we need to be a little conscious of being too much of a single civilization because if we are too much of a single civilization, then the whole thing may collapse," he continued. .
I am an educated Muslim, but plane to convert to Christianity, Islam from Shada( شهاده) until Prophet died every where questions and Falls how ever I give one more chance to Islam l, i read Quran with Tafsir. But my heart says be away from Islam it is the most dangerous religion ever. 2 most important things in Islam: Sex, and Conquer Lands and take all things. Prophet just and just tought about Women, Sex, kill the people..... He had the reachest, the most beautiful and the most young women. As well as most slaves، how can such a person be the best example of Best man kind, where عیسی in Bible says: if u look to a woman in شهوه u did زنا but the prophet saw a women and she attracted him so he came suddenly to Zainab while she was working, and did ...... How such a person be the best example of mainkind who did in one night 13 times sex? There are more and more bad things about his character, how did he killed the people....... Also, there are more things about Quran
The judgenent against the banu qaynuqa was given by a judge the banu qaynuqa themselves elected from their own tribe. Understand your history, or else stop lying.
Islam is essentially the Submission to Abrahamic laws, and it evolved from a mere word to a complete religion. Its central idea is to submit to the law of God as given to Abraham and Moses. Your perception of Islam is influenced by your pre-existing framework of understanding. However, exploring the old books reveals that Sabeos wrote about Prophet Muhammad and his collaboration with the Jews (specifically, the Qais Abdul Raas-Benjamite Tribe) to reclaim Jerusalem. It's worth noting that the Islam you are familiar with is a manufactured construct that has been widely adopted as a tool for interpreting the Quran. However, to truly comprehend the Quran, one must first delve into its opening verses, specifically 2:4-5, which emphasize the importance of having knowledge of both the old books and the Quran to be truthful. It's surprising to note that most Muslims, at least 99.99% of those I've met, have not even read the book of Genesis, let alone the 66+ books of Ashb-e-Kahf, and others.
Atif Bangash: You are mistaken my friend. Islam is created by Satan to fight Christianity and Jews. Your Islamic Law is quite contrary to my Bible Just look at the 10 Commandments of my God and your Allah Ok? God of the Bible gave 10 commandments Allah makes his slave brake all of them Islamic 10 commandments 1.I am allah your false g-d (47:19) 2. Thou shalt walk around the kaabah and kiss the black stone and use the crescent moon for a graven image. 3 Thou shalt use the name of the lord in vain by saying wallahy or making false oaths in my name (sura 2:225). 4.Thou shalt not keep the sabbath day holy instead use Friday. 5. Thou shalt not honor thy father or mother if they are not muslims (31:15) 6. Thou shalt kill all non Muslims (sura 8:12) 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery unless its your slave, non Muslims or its mu'ta marriage (sura 4:24) right hand posses (sura 33:50)Sura 8:69, 33:27, 48:20) 8. Thou shalt not steal from a Muslim but stealing from indifelds is halal.(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764 also sura 8:69) 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor but if u do its ok I will forgive you (sura 16:106)10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife but its ok to have sex with step daughter in law like mohamed stole his step son's wife
In The Outline of History, professor H.G. Wells wrote regarding a major proof of the prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad “Because those who knew Muhammad best believed in him the most… Muhammad was no impostor at any rate…there can be no denying that Islam possesses many fine and noble attributes… They created a society more free from widespread cruelty and social oppression than any society had ever been in the world before.” .
Secular spirit, your video is good but please work on making it interesting by sharing Islamic sources.....👍 Also please work on creating attractive thumbnails, half the battle is won, your subscription will skyrocket you'll see....
Annie Besant wrote in the book, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad: “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.” Annie Besant. The Life and Teachings of Muhammad. Theosophical Publishing House., India. p. 4 (1932). .
Annie Basant understood Muslim religion better from the Mappila Kilaffath in Malabar 1921.Please read her criticism on Malabar Muslim rebellion in 1921.
In his book A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, John William Draper wrote: “Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all others, exercised the greatest influence upon the human race… Mohammed, by Europeans surnamed “the Impostor”…Mohammed possessed that combination of qualities which more than once decided the fate of empires. A preaching soldier, he was eloquent in the pulpit [when delivering speeches], valiant in the field. His theology was simple: ‘There is but one God.’ [That the sum total of the religion is that God is One.]…Asserting that everlasting truth, he did not engage in vain metaphysics, but applied himself to improving the social condition of his people by regulations respecting personal cleanliness, sobriety, fasting, prayer. Before all other works he esteemed almsgiving and charity.”
In his book, Islam at the Crossroads, De Lacy O’Learywrote: “History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races, is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”
sorry how are they not the bad guys here? You’re talking about enslaving people, including kids and executing 12+ year olds for the crimes of their fathers. How am I not supposed to rationally conclude that they’re the bad guys and how the heck is this comment upvoted
You could make the argument that they're just dealing with the realities of the time, but when Muslims claim Islam is the religion of peace and love, that claim really falls apart when one learns the details of this story.
I wouldn't describe them as bad guys by the standard of the time, but they are bad guys when claiming to be the righteous religion of love and peace.@@Blackrose01330
Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers. Qur’an 42:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised. 31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish] 32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.”
In most countries of the world even in the year 2023 the punishment for treason is death. What happened is still tragic but falls in line with norms across all societies.
The Charter of Medina, also known as the Constitution of Medina, was a legal document created by Prophet Muhammad in 622 CE to establish a peaceful and cooperative community in Medina (then called Yathrib) between the Muslim immigrants from Mecca and the local tribes of Medina. The following are the main points included in the Charter of Medina: The Muslim immigrants and the local tribes of Medina are considered one community (umma), and they must work together to maintain peace and security. The Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and the Jews and other non-Muslims are allowed to practice their own religions. The Muslims and the non-Muslims in Medina must defend the city from any outside attacks, and they must not enter into alliances with the enemies of Medina. If any dispute arises between the Muslims and the non-Muslims, it will be settled according to the laws of their respective religions. The Muslims and the non-Muslims in Medina must pay blood money (diya) in case of murder or injury. Any person who violates the terms of the Charter will be considered a traitor to the community and will face consequences. The Charter of Medina is considered to be one of the earliest examples of a constitution in history, and it provided a model for peaceful coexistence between different religious and ethnic groups.
Kids as young as 5 were getting married in Christian countries in the West. even King Richard ll married 6 year old Isabella. Also 200000 children were married in USA in past 15 years. So stop being a hypocrite. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.”
@@SecularSpirit slavery is far different in Islam then what the western world did with slaves at the time. It also set an example for other people not to break treaties. Abu Dharr, you insulted him by his mother? You are a man with ignorance in you. They are your brothers and your assistants. Allah has placed them in your hands. Whoever has his brother in his custody, let him feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears. Do not assign them a task they cannot do; if you do so, then help them.” Sahih Bukhari 30
@@soldierof-allah11 Could the slaves be bought and sold? Yes. Were they free to leave and go as they please? No. Did they just see their entire tribe destroyed and their fathers killed, which caused untold trauma? Yes. Did those children deserve this fate? No. But by the rationale of what Muhammad allowed, this brutality was just.
@@soldierof-allah11What about pubescent boys who had just started growing pubic hair? I started growing pubic hair at 11. How is it their fault?? How did they participate? If the ruling was on the soldiers only then it’s okay, but on every single pubescent male?! That’s insane.
Michael H. Hart, in his book, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, wrote: “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.” .
Michael H. Hart, the author of "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History," used a number of criteria to determine his ranking of historical figures. These criteria include: Historical Significance: The extent to which the person has influenced human history and the course of civilization. Longevity: The length of time over which the person's influence has been felt, and the extent to which their ideas and actions have endured over time. Geographical Range: The extent to which the person's influence has been felt across different regions and cultures of the world. Intellectual Brilliance: The person's intellectual or creative contributions to human knowledge and understanding. Influence on Contemporary Affairs: The extent to which the person's ideas and actions have influenced the contemporary world. Character and Leadership: The person's personal qualities, leadership ability, and moral character. Overall, Hart's criteria reflect his view that the most influential figures in history are those who have had a lasting impact on human civilization, across a wide range of geographic regions and cultural contexts.
Jesus is a > Would you take the book if Michael H Hart wrote, "The 100: A THIEF, A MURDERER AND AN ADULTERER, Ranking of the Most influential person in History." Would you advice his book? Shame of you that promote nonsense about your Islam. Look your name? Jesus is a Muslim when Islam was NOT EVEN ESTABLISHED BY MHMD YET? What kind of brain you have?
Michael H Hart never accepted Muslim Religion.He died as a Jew.Then how they can base their opinion on Michael H Hart ,who according to their belief is in Hell.How pathetic Muslim Religion has become!Every other religion has a theology and philosophy.But since Muslim Religion does not have a theology and philosophy and everything is based on what Mohammad said about Allah speaking to him,they have to get opinions from other Kafirs.What a tragedy! Dear Jesusisa Muslim,read in detail about Mohammad's death.Then you will understand how pathetic it was!
Amaizinng how Muhammad new the Jewish laws and was so literate in the Tora Bible ? He seems to be very involved in Judaism , his best friend was a Jew , he merrier a Jew , his real name was not Muhammad , and we don’t how he knew so much of the Bible to put in his book Quran .
1) the prophet PBUH laid siege on banu qurayza, following their participation in the battle of the trench which killed Muslims. Laying siege means they surrounded the encampment, instead of slaughtering them in battle like they could have as they outnumbered the Jewish tribe by 2:1. 2) the prophet PBUH gave NUMEROUS opportunities for the Jewish tribe to surrender. He even offered them to keep their property and leave if they gave full surrender without condition. They refused. 3) their own former leader is the one who came down with this verdict. It was not the prophet PBUH. Before his verdict, the tribe agreed to abide by whatever he decided. He could’ve said “let everyone go free” and the prophet would’ve allowed it. But he came down with this verdict based on the Torah (deuteronomy). 4) even as the Jewish tribal members were being led to execution, they could have at that point said “I completely surrender please spare my life”. Instead, there are reports that some of them were still arrogantly defying the Muslims. This was war. The prophet was not only a prophet but also a commander of an army. He was responsible for the safety and security of his followers as well as the Jewish tribes who made treaties with him. He was attacked at the battle of the trench, and as in any war an act of aggression is followed by a response. It is horrible that all these men lost their lives. However to blame a religion of PEACE, or call them antisemtic, is wrong. Arab kuslims first off are semites and secondly we love all the people of the book including the Jews. You mentioned the Israeli Palestine issue in your video, insinuating that this event is linked to how Muslims feel about Israelis today. First off, Zionism is not Judaism and secondly we don’t despise Israel bexause of their religion. we despise what the government of israel has done to the people of palestine. i am sorry you have lost your faith. i hope that you contemplate your origin. how you were created. who put you here. who gives you all your sustenance? yourself? or God? if you still believe in the Creator then have thsnkfullness for all that He has given you and be reminded of the final day of judgment. only Allah knows all the details of what happened during the lives of the prophets, including with banu qurayza, and His judgement is flawless and His justice is perfect. if any muslims or jews or polytheists or anyone was unjust to anyone in their life, Allah is aware and there will be perfect justice in the end.
3) the leader of the tribe set the execution but if Islam is a religion of peace why continue doing it? Also why behead the children of the tribe which Hadith attest to If Islam is a religion of peace why carry out the execution in the first place? Wouldn't god have dealt with them The same justifications you give for the massacre are the same justifications Israel gives for their war on Hamas. Your logical leaps are ridiculous my guy
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 That is a lie. Because Muhammad did not allow Ibn Umar to participate in the battle of Uhud when he was 14, and obviously at 14 he would have pubic hair. The fighting age was 15 and above. Most boys start growing pubic hair at 12, which even then was considered a child.
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 After a lot of research I came to the conclusion that this story is very likely false. It was narrated by Ibn Ishaq who heard it from the Banu Qurayzah themselves, Ibn ishaq was called a liar by Immam Maalik who accused him of fabricating stories that are related to Jews and being especially biased against them. I will choose to not believe this story. There is no way a “mercy to mankind” would do this to children. Still, I am not 100% Muslim yet. I need to do more research and discover myself till I decide. I am torn. I need to study every religion and decide for myself.
_"700 unalived"_ Actually, the more reliable estimate was 400, and they were their warriors. In fact, even that sounds like an exaggeration when one reads the details regarding that story. _"Muhammad married Ayesha when she was 6yrs old and 9yrs at consumation according to trusted and accepted hadith."_ Funny how these sources are _"trusted"_ when they report something that portrays the Prophet in a bad light, but when the same sources portray him in a positive light, as the vast majority do, then they become _less credible_ to you. In fact, the main narrator, that this hadith is attributed to, was Hisham Ibn Urwa, after he was 71yrs old, had moved to Iraq, and was known to suffer from *senility.* This is why the first extant Hadith compilation, that of Imam Malik -- his most prominent student -- is completely devoid of such an event. I wouldn't call that a very _trustworthy_ source at all. _"Hatred of Jews rooted in the Isrel vs Palestine conflict"_ So it had nothing at all to do with the fact that Western Imperialist powers took Palestinian's land and handed it to European Jews? 🤔
1. Unaliving all their men, even if most of them are warriors...does not have good optics for the religion of peace and love and mercy that Islam is presented as. And this is without going into the enslavement of the women and children, which you omitted in your comment. 2. Regarding the hadith about Muhammad marrying Aisha, what matters is that many Muslims believe the sahih/hasan ahadith to be true, that's what matters. I question the historicity of the ahadith in general, whether positive or negative about Muhammad. 3. Watch my video about the Hamas attack: I'm Palestinian and I clarify that Islam is not the key factor in the conflict. But hatred of Jews by a lot of Muslims today has a lot to do with the conflict.
1. Who says "all their men" were unalived? The Qur'an is clear that it was only those who "helped" (Q33;26), the approaching army that were either unalived or captured. It was not "all their men." 1b. Regarding the "slavery" of women and children, the women and children were not punished for the crimes of the criminals; rather, they were taken because they had nowhere else to go. Furthermore, most of them were later released, as the Qur'an revealed the directive forbidding the taking of captives as slaves (47:4). 2. How can you say that _"what matters,"_ regarding the Ayesha hadith, is that _"many Muslims believe the sahih/hasan hadith?"_ Is that an honest approach? You are willing to malign an individual, that you acknowledge maybe innocent of the charge, only because people believe it? Where is the sincerity in that? 3. Your whole reflection of the history belies the reality. History contradicts your claims about how Muslims treated Jews. In fact, were it not for Umar, the 2nd Caliph, the Jews may have become extinct, 20,000 having already been unalived in the brutal Sassanid-Byzantine battles. Furthermore, during the crusades, the Muslims again came to the aid of the Jews. Lastly, during the Spanish inquisition, the Jews fled to Muslim lands for protection against their Christian persecutors. Saying that _"hatred of Jews is rooted in the Palestine-Isrel conflict"_ is inaccurate and utterly inappropriate in the current climate.
@@Zak-gl4ig I'm not sure what wording you're relying on, but the ruling I saw was for men of fighting age, in other words, men who are not children. Even if it was for 400, not 700, or for only "warriors", it's still brutality. And why the quotation marks around "slavery"? They were enslaved and distributed as war booty. Whether or not they were eventually released is besides the point, and beyond our confident knowledge too. It's not about maligning the individual Muhammad, it's about what people believe to be true about him. If people believe it, its historicity is irrelevant because people practice it as if it's true. I suspect much of what is taught about Muhammad's life and deeds is dubious history. You have to remember this is someone from 1400 years ago who has been mythologized by Muslims. I'll repeat my point about Israel: the reasons many Muslims TODAY don't like Jews is because of Israel's occupation, because that is what they see and are exposed to. You're making some other point that is addressing something I'm not saying.
@@SecularSpirit _"I'm not sure what wording you're relying on, but the ruling I saw was for men of fighting age... men who are not children."_ The Sahih Hadith (e.g. Bukhari, Muslim), clearly used the word مُقَاتِلَة which is a word used for trained fighters/combatants/warriors, it is *specific.* Likewise, the Qur'an uses the words ٱلَّذِينَ ظَـٰهَرُوهُم مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ which means _"those among the People of the Book who supported them"_ (i.e. those who actively supported the large attacking army). Hence, it rules out the idea that _ALL MEN_ were included in that directive. The Qur'an further states فَرِيقًۭا تَقْتُلُونَ وَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقًۭا which means _" _*_a group_*_ of them (i.e. those who actively supported the enemy) you unalived and a group you captured."_ This tells us that EVEN among those combatants, who joined the attack, only _"a group of them"_ were unalived, NOT _all of them!_ Thus, it seems even the 400 number is a *huge* exaggeration. Also, coming back to the Hadith, from Bukhari and Muslim, when we read the reported response of the Prophet -- that Sa'd had ruled according to Divine law (or "the King's ruling") -- we should understand that he would have been referring to the *original* Torah, not what you referenced from the OT.
@@Zak-gl4igq1 how do you explain why as of 2022 1 All but 3 anti-Zionist countries are non-Muslim 2 The only 2 anti-Zionist democracies are Indonesia Malaysia both Muslim 3 There are many Muslim countries that recognise Israel ? Lol. It's only Muslims that have beef with Israel. Q2 What happens to Israel Vs Palestine if each Muslim converted to another religion or non-religion? Lol Q3 Why do 99% non-Muslims agree the world is much better off without Islam? Q4 Why are Jewish Christian Hindu Buddhist countries generally better to live in than Muslim countries?
People like you should know, In battle of Badr 313 soldiers were there from Muslim side and Muslims were by then the majority in Medina. Then how come there were 800 - 900 soldiers of Banu Qurayza? Hadith books and Sirah of Ibn-e-Ishaq has fabrications, but also truth. Do not lie!
Very fair analysis. Many modern Muslims will of course argue that such a brutal judgement was only for its context and not to be imitated today. Unfortunately not all Muslims see it that way. As with so many aspects of Islam, Allah seems unconcerned about the consequences of allowing his final message to mankind to be open to wildly differing interpretations.
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania What are you talking about? The banu qurayza helped the muslms dig the trench and supplied weapons for them to fight! What did they violate ?
@efootballmania From islmic/muslm trusted sources ? I'm not a muslm so I actually read your sources because 99.9% of muslms don't lol you only listen to your imams sheiks friends and YT muslms and assume there telling you the truth ! Sad but true
For a religion sent by the all-merciful, it sure displays so many instances of brutal violence. I expected better from allah and I just don't understand how muslims who know this story can't see how insulting it is to their god of mercy and compassion.
Hey my favourite Potato! Oh Muslims know how to twist the story around, they kind of have no choice if they want to preserve their perception of Muhammad and Islam sadly.
As a non-Muslim I was always shaken by this story and always wondered how Muslims manage to reconcile the Banu Qurayza genocide with their claim of "religion of peace".
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
Act of treason means against peace and protection. The Medinan Muslims were in battle with Confederated Meccan Polytheist, Bani Nadhir persuaded Banu Qurayza to rebelled, and they tried to attack muslim women and child in the City while the Muslim men confront at the Trench. That's why there's judgement upon them.
I think objectively it was the right thing to do. Mind you two other jewish tribes were expelled from medina just before because they gave information to the makkan idol worshipers that caused raids on muslims and they deaths. Yet they were shown leniency. But what the 3rd tribe did was betray them during an active war. And they were not even remorseful about what they did. Had they been left like that another tribe would've done the same thing thinking these muslims are so lenient and stupid that we can get them killed and they won't retaliate. So an example had to be set for treason. That same law still applies today in many countries for treason. Infact its much worse since many would torture the treasonous people rather than swiftly kill them. Had prophet Muhammad pbuh shown them mercy, islam would've stopped existing soon after.
It is important to note that muslims themselves have documented this act of gen*c*ide. This is coming from their own islamic sources! If they were remorseful of it or were ashamed by it, early muslims would pretend that this event never happened at all. Modern muslim apologists and dawah dudes would claim this event is a "western conspiracy" to tarnish the good name of islam. Since the sources are islamic, the denial part is very difficult. However, you will see muslims today downplay this event or claim that "there were good reasons for it". Muslims would never justify this event if they were the victims of it.
And Muslims say that Israelis are Nazis because they are flattening Gaza. Muslims had no problem with using collective punishment and ethnic cleansing against the Jewish tribes of Medina.
I can’t take this anymore. I cry everyday and feel like I wanna end it. Everything I was told since I was a child was a lie. Why did I ever start reading into this? So who is Muhammad really? I don’t even know what’s true from what’s not anymore.
I'm so sorry to hear this, the sad reality is that we don't really know who Muhammad was, we just know he was a person and we hear stories that will have bias mostly praising him, and some against him. The important thing is that we try to lead our lives with the things that we know help people and avoid harming people.
@@A2-Star438 There isn't one as far as I can tell. I choose a meaning, as do we all, for what matters to us as individuals and to the people we care about around us. I decided to be a humanist who cares about other people and making life better in terms of less suffering and more understanding. I enjoy doing things like writing and making videos too, which is why I do this channel. What are the things that are important to you?
@@SecularSpirit I think I’m on for a journey of self discovery. At first I didn’t wanna live, but curiosity cannot coexist with a desire to disappear. I’m kinda excited. Let the mission begin!! I’ll let you know if I discover it ^^
Happy Spring. So good to see you! How was the panel? Thank you for this. I found this story disturbing and the thoughts of those killed that day play through my mind. When I hear phrases such as "the Quran has not been revealed yet" Or even if the spirit was that it had not finished being revealed, to me that signals human religious construction. If a deity is all powerful putting all it's transmission eggs in one basket, Muhammad, that is foolhardy and flawed. And I'd argue that given that the Quran, and history, has been pre-determined and already written the fact that the book had to be reveled piecemeal is a telltale sign of on the spot situational human creation. What a tragedy that people lose lives over created stories, myths, and figures.
Happy Spring Gerwalk! The panel is this upcoming Saturday! Come check it out :D This right here is the main reason why I do this channel: "What a tragedy that people lose lives over created stories, myths, and figures."
@@SecularSpirit I'll try to check it out online if it's being broadcast. I'll repeat my bad dad joke for you to open there: You ask: "Have you heard that rumor about butter?" They respond: "No! What is it?!" You reply: "I won't spread it..." And the groans begins.
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
Don't know, but if something happen like this in this way, it may not be called act of a messenger of the creator of this vast Universe with uncountable galaxies and stars. What the hell will God, the King, should get in killing men and enslaving and plundering the girls, children and women????
You have read the scripture in the "Book of Deuteronomy" about the war Correct? It says > When you march up to attack a city, makes its people an offer . . ." And Mhmd did the same Correct? And they accepted Mhmd's offer to accept his rules and surrender them to the mercy of Mhmd but then they go against the God of the Bible breaking that Law Correct? Why? Bc Mhmd is inspired by Satan and his followers are also Satan worshipers. The proof is in Sahih al Bukhari 3043 which says, >: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sa`d's judgment< that means they surrendered to Mhmd and his gang! and yet he slaughtered them! So it is shame that today most of the Muslims are denying the facts that, Mhmd was NOT merciful as it say in their Quran Sura 9:128. If Mhmd was merciful then how come he is acting like this???
The fact that you grow up hearing how virtuous Muhammad was, is similar to what Reza Aslan has been saying: "People don't derive their values from their religion, they more often than not insert their values into their religion”.
Wow , they decided that they should beheaded and their women should be sold as slaves. And the prophet was innocent and he could not do anything about it...
I've always had a problem with the judgement , if the guilt of the crime is predetermined then the punishment is also . So if asked to judge as Sa'd was on the supposed established treachery of the Qurayza there would only be the one answer, its not really judging anything at all. That he had been a Jew is often used as defense by apologists , "he was fair to his own", but he did not judge if the accusation of the crime was true. I've not seen any indication the Qurayza were signatories on the treaty , and in essence their guilt was established by a spy who claimed he was simply witness to them having a meeting where they refused to participate in back stabbing the Muslims , ironically because its claimed they feared the other tribes involved would leave them hanging out on their own and Mohammed would destroy them. But Mohammed destroyed them anyway.
Interesting perspective, I've read in a few sources that there were was a treaty, but whether there was or wasn't, it's scary that the issue was resolved that way, even if it was the norm at the time.
@@SecularSpirit Yeah I seen sources talking of the treaty , Ibn Ishaq talks about it , but in mention of the tribes signatories to it, there was no mention of the Qurayza as I recollect. I can be wrong, not an Arabic speaker so it might be hidden in such a source. Like you I think , it's these moral excesses which do not comport the supposed nature of a deity that Mohammed was supposed to represent that show him to be merely a man of his time ( if he existed as described). Nice video btw , good to see some coherent reasonable critique .
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania Show the Qurayza were signatories of that treaty. Even if they were signatories, they actually did not violate anything , they had a meeting with the exiled jewish tribes , and refused to help them. They also did not raise a sword to the Muslims. They were accused of being traitors simply for having the meeting , but they did not do any treachery. Mohammed called them traitors , and thats all it took , all the men and pubescent boys beheaded , all the women, girls and pre-pubescent boys taken as slaves. All their property confiscated. Today we call that ethnic genocide.
I'm a Christian, always have been, but I was seriously considering Islam at a point... The kind of heartbreak Islam apostates, especially those that were actually diligent and serious in their faith, and did their research, what you guys have gone through as you guys fought through what you were taught, and the pain of recognizing that you were lied to genuinely breaks my heart; The intense feeling of betrayal is just reality-shattering. Assalamu alaikum, as the Arabs say... I do genuinely hope you guys who are suffering and dying inside eventually find genuine inner peace. I'm sure a ton of you guys are suffering pretty deeply. Please hang in there
Christianity is from the devil. 330,000 children abused and raped by 3000 priests in French churches. Thousands of abuse cases in Church of England. 20,000 cases of abuse in Dutch churches and tems of thousands in churches in other countries. The biggest terrorists are Christians.Christians Bush, Blair and now Putin. Hitler was a Christian. Could be reason why he killed millions of Jews. “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian,” declared Adolf Hitler in Passau on October 27, 1928. I'm so happy Catholic priest Hilarian Heagy has accepted Islam. And Orthodox Christian Bobby Perspective has accepted Islam too.
Act of treason means against peace and protection. The Medinan Muslims were in battle with Confederated Meccan Polytheist, Bani Nadhir persuaded Banu Qurayza to rebelled, and they tried to attack muslim women and child in the City while the Muslim men confront at the Trench. That's why there's judgement upon them.
😊 you can believe whatever you think is true , but thank for the detailed Points of view and quotes from different resources . Peace and blessing to my beloved prophet. و عند الله يجتمع الخصوم.
Prophet Muhammad left it in the hands of saad ibn muad. The Jews accepted his arbitration so why drag him into it. Islam is a religion of realism, forgive people who betrayed and plotted against him as you literally mentioned in the video. What do you expect him to do? Cuddle people who wanted to kill him? You live in delusion my friend. This isn't Disneyland, they initiated the betrayal and Muhammad saws dealt with them as he should. Would they of felt sorry for him if their betrayal actually succeeded? NO
are you silly? muhamed creared a religion which was supposed to recitfy the mistakes of the bible and torah meaning he wouldve educated them on the matter of how doing that isnt correct. and just beacuse a few higher ups didint allow the muslim soilders to pass doesent mean some random 12 year old boys who grew some pubic hair. beacuse that was the category they used to show matruity should be beheaded as their mothers and sisters plead for their lives as this compassionate prophet just watches with indiffrence. and the women taking as captives and forced upon by the soilders afterwards. this isnt realism this is just cruelty and i dont know how anyone can defend this. this isnt a compassionate person at all. "a perfect example of mankind" watches as something which obviously isnt right takes place imagine that was you you wouldnt ever be saying some stupid stuff like this
A famous Orientalist, William Montgomery Watt, wrote in his book, Muhammad at Medina: “The more one reflects on the history of Muhammad and of early Islam, the more one is amazed at the vastness of his achievement. Circumstances presented him with an opportunity such as few men have had, but the man was fully matched with the hour. Had it not been for his gifts as a seer, statesman, and administrator and, behind these, his trust in God and firm belief that God had sent him, a notable chapter in the history of mankind would have remained unwritten. It is my hope that this study of his life may contribute to a fresh appraisal and appreciation of one of the greatest of the sons of Adam.”
@SecularSpirit • Mary was 12-14 when she married and Joseph was 90 ( source: Catholic Encyclopedia>St. Joseph>Marriage ) • Rebecca was 10 when she married and Isaac was 40 ( source: Jasher 24:40 and Genesis 25:20 ) *RESPOND IF YOU'RE NOT A COWARD*
@Tubba The only difference is Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@SecularSpirit Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD* So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
In a statement published in Young India, Mahatma Ghandi stated: “I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…. I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days, in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword, carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume [of a book on the Prophet’s biography], I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.”
The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort. Those punished for treason were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily). Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties. The women and children were not harmed because they were true non-combatants, and it was one of the hallmarks of Islam that in times of war, the Prophet (Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) forbade their killing. The one exception was the capital punishment of a woman from Qurayza who had killed one Muslim man during the war. Hence, this incident was not a genocide or massacre or extermination as some would try to portray, nor was it about religion. It was about tribal warfare and treaties, and the punishment for treason during a time of war with an external enemy. In ancient tribal warfare, when one tribe lost a war, the surviving captives would often be used for manual labor, or sold into slavery elsewhere, which was that situation that Islam found the world in at the time of its inception. After all the warriors of the Qurayza tribe had been executed, in ancient Arabia, a tribe of now-defenseless women and children would have been impossible to maintain, and in those times, they saw bondage as a way to forcefully integrate a subdued tribe into their society
Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.
In the "Islam and the West" speech in 1993, King Charles talks about the misunderstanding in the west about Islam. "If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the Islamic world. It is a failure which stems, I think, from the straitjacket of history which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished. But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history."
So i will also ask,If God in the torah ordered such killings and even worse and you do not deny Him basing on that, and you do not deny Moses then why do you judge Muhammad who even based on the quran it is more kind than the judgements in the Torah not even ahalf of violence that is seen in the old testament which you say was from God
During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: "No one has succeeded, this is right…I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."
Yeah, the quranic miracle is the biggest hoax I've ever seen. Come up with falsifiable criterias on "what makes the Quran unique" (sure you won't) and making "something better" will be a piece of cake.
@@SahalaSinurat "Joke of this week..." No, a joke for much longer already: 1400y ! Isn't that funny ? Ah, by the way, 2015 she published: "Reading the Qur'an as a Literary(!!!) Text"
If you have a book of law and someone comes and judges you based on your book of law...why would you question the person who is judging you based on your book of law is merciful?
As a Saudi atheist, this was one of the main reasons why I left the religion. What Mohammed did to Safiya is barbaric and brutal. No way this is an act of a prophet of god.
Wow a Saudi atheist! Nice that you found my channel! It is definitely not the act of the prophet I was taught, but of a flawed warlord.
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What a brutal story.. thanks for covering this
Its the best story Mashallah
@@2outhpawmma158 isis fan I’m guessing?
@@daviskaya100 (isis) israeli secret intelligence services
Brutal story? So when they betrayed muslims so all muslim women and kids and toddlers gets massacred because of their betrayal isn’t brutal
@@daviskaya100Question, you idiot, what is the penalty for high treason? If we defend our land and our people, we become terrorists. What is this stupid logic?
So, I had to rewatch this to see why it is banned in Pakistan now. I completely understand. Your balanced, rational and compassionate approach is very challenging to existing narratives. It makes people think, and that is very dangerous to the status quo.
Glad you think so. Sadly, I have a feeling whoever flagged it didn't even bother to watch the content of the video. They probably just saw the picture and the title and that was enough for them. Very annoying.
This is why Pakistan remain suffering from the karma it that begged for.
Really happy to see more voices from the ex Muslim community find their voice. Yourself, Apostate Aladdin, Nuriyah Kahn and Infidel Noodle are doing amazing work. I just wish I could support you guys more
Thanks Haruspex! Just keep commenting and watching, that really helps keep ex-Muslims like me motivated :D
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, I'm glad to see you back :)
Thanks Homosapien! Good to be back :D
And there are actually those who claim it as a religion of peace… speechless
The weird thing, or maybe appealing thing for some believers, about Islam is that some do practice it as a religion of peace by ignoring the violence in it, while others practice it as religion of violence by ignoring the peace in it.
Fun fact : We don't claim that
This video was brilliant.. so balanced and concise. When you challenge the viewers to really engage all their 5 senses into this story... the story becomes very difficult to digest. It is brutal and really sad
It is especially brutal and sad when we consider that Muslims consider Muhammad to be the benchmark for a good man and leader. That really does not show in this incident. Thank your for your comment :)
all the apologetic arguments vanish when you take into account the fact that Muhammad is meant to be an example of a perfect human who should be copied by all hus followers and whose decisions in VII century should be perpetuated by every Muslim for eternity. which means that no matter what year it is, culturally it will be always VII century, with no hope of changing anything.
everything the Quran says about the relationships between Muhammad and the Jewish tribes of Medina is just an excuse for his desire to exterminate those eho rejected him after his giftless attempt to appropriate their religion which he didn’t even bother to learn properly and which stories, the ones he managed to steal for his new cult, he didn’t even understand or was able to accurately contextualize. that’s why his excuses for his Jew-hatred look so lame for anyone who knows how to read the Torah and how to apply the Jewish laws. which laws are even applicable and which aren’t. which are universal and which are meant for certain situations and aren’t even active anymore.
Judaism isn’t static or dogmatic. that’s the whole point. it doesn’t have any perfect figure everyone should follow.
Islam, on the other hand, is all about the cult of personality. and this personality, if you take a closer look at it, isn’t just imperfect, but of someone who shouldn’t be followed by anyone. I struggle to find any sin that this man hasn’t committed. a truly demonic figure presented as some kind of ideal.
and his hatred of Jews was based not just on their rejection of his warped teaching, but also by hus attempt to get rid of anyone who could tell the real story. like a plagiarist who tries to kill the real author of the novel he stole.
this is the reason of dehumanisation of Jews by Islam: to prevent Muslims in all generations from ever looking into the original and even if they do, to disregard the original whenever it contradicts the warped re-telling of the same stories by Quran.
Literally all what you said is nonsense...
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 oh tarikh. repeating a muslim iie loud and often doesn't make it true. if muhammad was really the greatest prophet allah could produce he would make it obvious to everyone in mecca by speaking from a storm cloud and proclaiming that all the thousands of previous revelations were corrupted but nobody ever noticed a change in scriptures. from now on he would make sure quran doesn't get corrupted. the quran has many examples of allah making lame excuses for muhammad. 1) he is only a warner 2) people didn't obey when he did miracles for other prophets so he can't be bothered to do it any more 3) the beautiful words of quran are proof enough of divinity. allah needed to turn some disbeliever into a pillar of salt to prove he is the real god.
Thanks for share this work, we appreciate it, history should be free from politics and religion. it is a very sad story, i am a muslim. i will learn more about about it ...
Thank you for this comment, I also appreciate you taking the time to watch this. Many of these things, I did not learn when I was Muslim personally, and I think it helps to learn more about our faiths.
Peace be upon you, here is a Muslim brother that knows a bit about Islamic history don't bother yourself about this fabrication, when the prophet (PBUH) arrived medina he and the Jews had a pact of security and brotherhood, the pact was more about peace and togetherness, infact some rightful Jews do join the prophet in battle against quraish eg battle of Uhud in fulfilment of the oath they took.
However the evil ones amongst them reverted to hypocrisy as he arrived medina so any threat to Muslim in Madina, they(Jews) consider it as an opportunity to get rid of the prophet instead of fulfilling the oath they took, the security of the muslims in Madina largely depends on the Jewish fortress as they sorround madian in all direction except the front hence the prophet asked the Muslim to dig trench at the front to booster their security, so the rear , the right and left sides are covered by Jewish community and a mountain instead of them to honour the pact they took sides with the quraish in order to kill the muslims in totality.
I see it as a complete breach of treaty and the consequence of such should take place.
Just imagine, if they succeeded in their goal, that would have bury the Islam instantly.
Brave and clear discourse and thinking. Thank you for your insight and for sharing your knowledge and thinking.
Interested topic to ponder about even though it's infuriating to think about it. Ramadan is going to be a very depressing month for me. 😤
I hear ya, Ramadan was pretty tough the first couple years I was ex-Muslim :( P.S. I will likely be doing a live stream for ex-Muslims to share their Ramadan experiences or general stories very soon, if you'd be interested in calling in.
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Great video.
It really shook my faith when I first heard this story, it really boggled my mind when I heard apologetics for this.
P.s I'm ex-muslim now.
Best wishes
Thanks Abdul Hanna, I'm glad you liked the video. Welcome to the ex-muslim community!
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania would the role model for all mankind kill all men (including boys who started having pubes) and take the women and children as slaves?
Is this the standard for a good person?
@@SecularSpirit why don't you call yourself new-kafir? Instead of ex-muslim? Even with your new status of disbeliever you can't move on from having been a Muslim once. So pathetic.
Same here
You are my Hero! You are the Brave. I am so proud to be an Ex Muslim
Thank you so much! Glad to meet another proud ex-Muslim :)
Full support to ex muslim community
I remember someone in high school once using this story as a justification for the holocaust.
Thanks for shedding light on this story in such an articulated and neutral way.
You take the islamic narrative as is, without challenging it, and we see that there are still issues.
I hope that Muslims would be able to have such an unbiased and honest approach when analyzing such stories (the same they ask others for).
If any Muslim is looking at this comment and thinking "oh exmuslims/critics of Islam are just so biased, that's why they don't see the truth", I dare you to watch this video and answer under this comment what bias do you find in it.
I really appreciate your words, Kitaro. If we try to be as unbiased and open to others' perspectives, I think that will help bridge our divides.
@@SecularSpirit yes that is a work we should always do to make for a better world.
Thanks you. Great video
On how Christianity can learn from Islam, King Charles says: "Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is the poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe."
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A western Dhimmi ruler fooled like countless other Dhimmies
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I’d be very interested to see you do a deep dive into the topic Zionism and Atheism
Definitely on the list!
Lets add some historical evidence here that people need to know...During the Abbasid Caliphate in ninth century southern Iraq, the Zanj Rebellion lasted for nearly 15 years, and was the greatest protest movement by( African slaves )not arabic people in the Islamic world. The Zanj were used for manual labor in the salt marshes of Basra.The Banu Qurayza were a Jewish tribe which lived in northern Arabia, at the oasis of Yathrib (now known as Medina). They were one of the three major Jewish tribes of the city, along with the Banu Qaynuqa and Banu Nadir.[1] Jewish tribes reportedly arrived in Hijaz in the wake of the Jewish-Roman wars and introduced agriculture, putting them in a culturally, economically and politically dominant position.........I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW JEWS WERE BLACK PEOPLE? HMMM.
I’ve noticed that quite a few ex Muslim channels eventually become inactive/ less active. I imagine one grows overwhelmed by the tsunami of hate. Do get a lot of hate, if so, how do you deal with it?
Hey Kylie, great question. In my case, it's really mostly that I have a time-consuming day job so I sometimes just don't have the time/energy to work on the channel. But also, having to do this content knowing it is against the mainstream celebration of Islam does make it challenging emotionally, because it feels like fighting the tide. I don't get as much hate as others to be honest, but I do get my share. In the end, I largely try to ignore it or find the humour in it.
@@SecularSpirit I see. Must help to have a job outside of this - at least you can take your mind off of it.
I’m an ex Muslim convert, converted at a very young age - 13 when I had no access to any real information/ internet. At the time, the tide was very much against Islam. My friends - who I’m sure had good intentions convinced me that this religion is nothing like what people say. Cherry picked the nice parts, left out the parts that raise eyebrows. You know the rest. They used my turbulent upbringing, abusive family and the ideas of “corrupt” media, anti-jewish conspiracy theories and the wars in the Middle East to draw me in into the the “us vs them” narrative.
As I got older, I got access to all sorts of information. Even just books from Islamic sources. I started asking questions about the violence, child rape/ molestation, sex slavery and apostasy elements, but they’d blame my doubts of the Shaitan and they would remind me of the “hellfire” 😂
I genuinely believe it screws up the mind of most decent people- which is why I don’t hate Muslims, I doubt they really believe these things to be acceptable deep down.
Frustratingly, my 16 year old niece is now being targeted by the parents of her Muslim friends.. it’s like looking back at me and seeing it all unfold again. I got hold of some numbers and told them that if they want to invite her to Islam, they should tell her about every element, not just the western friendly parts. Had no response.
Anyway, thank you from one ex Muslim to another, for speaking out. The tide is big but I hope one day people will look back and see things for what they are.
@@kyliereed200 Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your story and perspective. Your experiences are sadly very familiar, but I'm glad you came out of it with a positive outlook and advising how to help others like your niece. For me, I can't help but do this even though the tide is big. It does come with the hope that things will change one day.
"how the same Islamic story that I found moving and inspiring as a child..."
Just curious, why did you find the story moving and inspiring? Would like to know if every child would think the same way, as that would give us insights into why we readily accept disturbing/unacceptable events in religious texts or history. Thank you.
I think it was the underdog aspect of the first Muslims, the resilience against much bigger and powerful forces, that really inspired me as a kid. So this is all factually true, but what moved me as well was that they were fighting for good when the world around them was evil, which I later realized was just indoctrination.
Great video, thank you.
Thank you!!
I am not 100% sure but I think there is a source that states that the prophet personally carried out the executions -it took the whole day and blood was flowing everywhere. Actually there are either Persian or Mughal miniatures that I have seen that show Muhammad doing this. Drawings of the prophet, contrary to popular belief, were allowed in specific contexts - usually for the use of elites in the royal and imperial courts of Persia and India.
To my best knowledge it was Ali doing most of the bloodshed but surely under the order of his boss.
@@blueblubber6607 I have looked up the Persian and Mughal miniatures on the internet and the ones I found showed Muhammad and Ayesha looking on very very close to the action, in front row seats as it were, with an executioner doing the actual work!
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yes, I know this painting. The basis for my comment was the the chapter "Executors" in the Wiki article "Invasion of Banu Qurayza".
In the end it doesn't really matter as it is clear that Mohamed stood behind the genocide which would bring him a livelong sentence behind prison bars nowadays.
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"So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?"
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A) Historians are undecided to which extend this treaty really existed.
B) Apparently Mohamed made an hostile speech towards the Jews earlier which, unsurprisingly, made them rethink their position.
C) Even if all these allegations were correct the term "genocide" still applies, i.e. when it comes to the mass killing of uninvolved youngsters down to puberty age.
Don't fool yourself with foul excuses.
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1. Name one historian and their reference.
2. Hostile speech which made them rethink their position? Can you show it to me?
3. Where is your reference to that?
The Banu Qureza story refers to an event that occurred during the early days of Islam in Medina, in which a Jewish tribe known as Banu Qureza was besieged and ultimately defeated by the Muslim community led by the Prophet Muhammad.
The Banu Qureza tribe had a treaty with the Muslims, but they allegedly violated it by conspiring with the Meccan army to attack Medina. The Prophet Muhammad and his followers, along with their allies, fought against the Meccans in the Battle of the Trench, which ended in a stalemate. Following the battle, the Muslims turned their attention to the Banu Qureza, who had remained neutral during the battle but were suspected of treachery.
After a siege of several weeks, the Banu Qureza surrendered to the Muslims, who appointed a Jewish arbitrator to judge them according to Jewish law. The arbitrator ruled that the men of the tribe should be executed, while the women and children should be enslaved. The Prophet Muhammad agreed to the ruling, and the men of the tribe were subsequently executed, while the women and children were enslaved.
The Banu Qureza story has been the subject of controversy and debate among historians and scholars of Islam. Some have criticized the harshness of the punishment, while others have defended it as a necessary measure to maintain the security of the Muslim community.
According to historical accounts, the Banu Qureza tribe had a treaty with the Muslims, which obligated them to remain neutral in any conflict between the Muslims and their enemies. However, during the Battle of the Trench, the Banu Qureza allegedly conspired with the Meccan army to attack Medina from within. They reportedly allowed the Meccan army to approach Medina from their side and agreed to join the attack from the inside. When the plot was discovered, the Prophet Muhammad and his companions ordered the Banu Qureza to be besieged for their alleged treachery.
The punishment for treachery varied depending on the circumstances and the cultural norms of the time. In pre-Islamic Arabia, there were no fixed rules or guidelines for dealing with treachery, and punishments could range from fines and compensation to more severe forms of punishment, such as exile or execution.
In the case of the Banu Qureza, the punishment of the men of the tribe by execution was considered by the arbitrator to be in accordance with the Jewish law. This was the legal system under which the Banu Qureza lived, as they were a Jewish tribe. It's worth noting that there were different interpretations and practices of Jewish law at that time, and not all Jewish authorities would have necessarily agreed with the arbitrator's ruling.
It's also important to recognize that the Banu Qureza were not punished solely for their alleged treachery, but also for their violation of the treaty with the Muslims. The punishment was thus seen as a means to deter other tribes from violating their treaties with the Muslims in the future, and to maintain the security and stability of the Muslim community in Medina.
There is no clear evidence to suggest that the Prophet Muhammad personally considered the punishment of the Banu Qureza to be excessively harsh or unjust. However, it's worth noting that the Prophet Muhammad was known for his mercy and compassion, and he generally discouraged excessive punishment or revenge.
Some historians and scholars have pointed out that the punishment of the Banu Qureza was in accordance with the laws and customs of the time, and that it was a necessary measure to protect the security and stability of the Muslim community. Others have criticized the severity of the punishment, arguing that it was disproportionate to the alleged crime and that it set a dangerous precedent for future conflicts.
Regardless of one's perspective on the matter, it's important to note that the story of the Banu Qureza is a complex and contested historical event, and its interpretation and significance continue to be debated among scholars of Islam and the history of the Arabian Peninsula.
@tubba-dg7to The Quran mentions Jews in several verses, and the overall tone towards Jews is complex and multifaceted. Some verses praise the Jewish people, while others criticize their actions or beliefs.
One of the key themes in the Quran regarding Jews is their status as the "chosen people" of God. In Surah Al-Baqarah, for example, it is said that God preferred the Children of Israel above all other nations (2:47). However, the Quran also criticizes Jews for failing to live up to the high standards set for them as the chosen people. Surah Al-Maidah, for example, states that some Jews have distorted the meaning of their scripture and disobeyed God's commandments (5:13).
There are also several verses in the Quran that describe conflicts between the Prophet Muhammad and Jewish tribes in Medina. These verses criticize the Jewish tribes for their perceived treachery and for rejecting the message of Islam. However, it is important to note that these verses are specific to the historical context in which they were revealed and should not be taken as a blanket condemnation of all Jews.
Overall, the Quran's treatment of Jews is nuanced and multifaceted, and it is important to read these verses in their historical and cultural context. Muslims are also encouraged to treat all people, including Jews, with respect and compassion, as the Quran teaches that all humans are equal in the sight of God.
@@atan9258 Thanks for sharing Atan!
Fyi Banu quraiza didn't actually betray Muhammad, they were considering it.
Very interesting video
The prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) gave the jews a lesson they will never forget. 😍❤️
Yeah, those little enslaved children deserved that lesson? This is terrible of you to say this.
@@SecularSpirit this is their laws check 1 Samuel 15:3
@Ibn_al_sham123 do muslims follow the laws of other imperfect, corrupted, poorly preserved religions? Or are muslims supposed to follow the "Final Revelation of The One True God" by way of his messenger, aka the ultimate moral standard of conduct, Muhammad? If it's the latter then you contradict defining Muhammad as either "moral" or "re-definitive". If it's the former then your prophet is a Jewish LARPer aka a kafir LARPer
@@lowearthsurfer we muslims follow Quran jews follow torah that’s why the prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) treated them from their torah laws.
@@Ibn_al_sham123But this isn’t fair though.
Surely, that could not have been the best solution from an all merciful god. If pMo is compared to any other profet of any other religion, they would not have much in common. On the other hand if pMo is compared to any cult leader(past or present), I'm sure there'd be lots in common. A simple analysis any moslym can do.
Damm man…
@@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow muji embarassed himself as usual…
Take care of yourself brother 🙏😇
Thank you kindly
Changes take time.
Alhamdulillah. We are not swayed by these weak liberal arguments. It was justice for what the traitors had done. Allah is the most merciful and the most harsh in punishment at the same time. Too bad your brain cannot reconcile these two attributes. If a man is criminal, he is responsible for the impact on is family I.e. loss of wealth, freedom. Not the the judge.
And the children who were enslaved? What justice did they deserve?
There is no way an entire tribe should be held accountable for the actions of the leader. HOW IS HE A MERCY TO MANKIND WHEN HE DOES THIS??
@@A2-Star438 You're right, there is no mercy in this judgment.
@@A2-Star438what I think is sad is that I can apply their logic to what happening to Palestinians, by their logic israelis have to right to do what they are doing
@@sau2949Did the UN exist in 627 ? No. Does it exist now ? Yes. That's the difference...
Elon Musk gave brief remarks, praising Islam at the 2023 World Government Summit
Musk explained, "While Rome was falling, Islam was rising, so you had a caliphate doing well while Rome was doing terribly. And that ended up being a source of preservation of knowledge and many scientific advancements."
"So I think we need to be a little conscious of being too much of a single civilization because if we are too much of a single civilization, then the whole thing may collapse," he continued.
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They deserved it.
I am an educated Muslim,
but plane to convert to Christianity,
Islam from Shada( شهاده) until Prophet died every where questions and Falls
how ever I give one more chance to Islam l, i read Quran with Tafsir. But my heart says be away from Islam it is the most dangerous religion ever. 2 most important things in Islam: Sex, and Conquer Lands and take all things.
Prophet just and just tought about Women, Sex, kill the people.....
He had the reachest, the most beautiful and the most young women. As well as most slaves، how can such a person be the best example of Best man kind, where عیسی in Bible says: if u look to a woman in شهوه u did زنا but the prophet saw a women and she attracted him so he came suddenly to Zainab while she was working, and did ......
How such a person be the best example of mainkind who did in one night 13 times sex?
There are more and more bad things about his character, how did he killed the people.......
Also, there are more things about Quran
The judgenent against the banu qaynuqa was given by a judge the banu qaynuqa themselves elected from their own tribe. Understand your history, or else stop lying.
Watch my video, I mention that aspect.
And Aisha was 13 same in france in the 1900s liar
So you reject the Hadiths
Islam is essentially the Submission to Abrahamic laws, and it evolved from a mere word to a complete religion. Its central idea is to submit to the law of God as given to Abraham and Moses. Your perception of Islam is influenced by your pre-existing framework of understanding. However, exploring the old books reveals that Sabeos wrote about Prophet Muhammad and his collaboration with the Jews (specifically, the Qais Abdul Raas-Benjamite Tribe) to reclaim Jerusalem. It's worth noting that the Islam you are familiar with is a manufactured construct that has been widely adopted as a tool for interpreting the Quran. However, to truly comprehend the Quran, one must first delve into its opening verses, specifically 2:4-5, which emphasize the importance of having knowledge of both the old books and the Quran to be truthful. It's surprising to note that most Muslims, at least 99.99% of those I've met, have not even read the book of Genesis, let alone the 66+ books of Ashb-e-Kahf, and others.
Atif Bangash: You are mistaken my friend. Islam is created by Satan to fight Christianity and Jews. Your Islamic Law is quite contrary to my Bible Just look at the 10 Commandments of my God and your Allah Ok?
God of the Bible gave 10 commandments Allah makes his slave brake all of them
Islamic 10 commandments 1.I am allah your false g-d (47:19) 2. Thou shalt walk around the kaabah and kiss the black stone and use the crescent moon for a graven image. 3 Thou shalt use the name of the lord in vain by saying wallahy or making false oaths in my name (sura 2:225). 4.Thou shalt not keep the sabbath day holy instead use Friday. 5. Thou shalt not honor thy father or mother if they are not muslims (31:15) 6. Thou shalt kill all non Muslims (sura 8:12) 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery unless its your slave, non Muslims or its mu'ta marriage (sura 4:24) right hand posses (sura 33:50)Sura 8:69, 33:27, 48:20) 8. Thou shalt not steal from a Muslim but stealing from indifelds is halal.(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764 also sura 8:69) 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor but if u do its ok I will forgive you (sura 16:106)10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife but its ok to have sex with step daughter in law like mohamed stole his step son's wife
In The Outline of History, professor H.G. Wells wrote regarding a major proof of the prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad
“Because those who knew Muhammad best believed in him the most… Muhammad was no impostor at any rate…there can be no denying that Islam possesses many fine and noble attributes… They created a society more free from widespread cruelty and social oppression than any society had ever been in the world before.”
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Another westerner fooled by Islam
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Secular spirit, your video is good but please work on making it interesting by sharing Islamic sources.....👍 Also please work on creating attractive thumbnails, half the battle is won, your subscription will skyrocket you'll see....
I will keep at it! Thanks :)
And Prophet Moses did not kill anyone?
Ah, the famous "tu quoque" fallacy. "You accuse my guy for being a POS, what about your guy?"
It is Abbassid FairyTale. Prophet could have never done this. No historical record.
He existed, stop with this nonsense of the Abbasid Caliphate creating him...
Annie Besant wrote in the book, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad:
“It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.”
Annie Besant. The Life and Teachings of Muhammad. Theosophical Publishing House., India. p. 4 (1932).
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Another westerner who would have become a sex slave
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Annie Basant understood Muslim religion better from the Mappila Kilaffath in Malabar 1921.Please read her criticism on Malabar Muslim rebellion in 1921.
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Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity and that pagan trinity
Its all Hallal and sahih ! Just like america
In his book A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, John William Draper wrote:
“Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all others, exercised the greatest influence upon the human race… Mohammed, by Europeans surnamed “the Impostor”…Mohammed possessed that combination of qualities which more than once decided the fate of empires. A preaching soldier, he was eloquent in the pulpit [when delivering speeches], valiant in the field. His theology was simple: ‘There is but one God.’ [That the sum total of the religion is that God is One.]…Asserting that everlasting truth, he did not engage in vain metaphysics, but applied himself to improving the social condition of his people by regulations respecting personal cleanliness, sobriety, fasting, prayer. Before all other works he esteemed almsgiving and charity.”
In his book, Islam at the Crossroads, De Lacy O’Learywrote:
“History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races, is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”
sorry how are they not the bad guys here? You’re talking about enslaving people, including kids and executing 12+ year olds for the crimes of their fathers. How am I not supposed to rationally conclude that they’re the bad guys and how the heck is this comment upvoted
You could make the argument that they're just dealing with the realities of the time, but when Muslims claim Islam is the religion of peace and love, that claim really falls apart when one learns the details of this story.
@@SecularSpirit uh I'm so confused and lost right now
I wouldn't describe them as bad guys by the standard of the time, but they are bad guys when claiming to be the righteous religion of love and peace.@@Blackrose01330
@@SecularSpiritso much for Islam being for all times
Because this TH-camr is a liar...
Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers.
Qur’an 42:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised.
31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish]
32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.”
Justice is also a virtue. What exactly is the problem?
@Tubba you break the treaty and then choose someone who converted to Islam from your tribe for the judgement and then cry 😂
Cruel
In most countries of the world even in the year 2023 the punishment for treason is death. What happened is still tragic but falls in line with norms across all societies.
Agree
The Charter of Medina, also known as the Constitution of Medina, was a legal document created by Prophet Muhammad in 622 CE to establish a peaceful and cooperative community in Medina (then called Yathrib) between the Muslim immigrants from Mecca and the local tribes of Medina. The following are the main points included in the Charter of Medina:
The Muslim immigrants and the local tribes of Medina are considered one community (umma), and they must work together to maintain peace and security.
The Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and the Jews and other non-Muslims are allowed to practice their own religions.
The Muslims and the non-Muslims in Medina must defend the city from any outside attacks, and they must not enter into alliances with the enemies of Medina.
If any dispute arises between the Muslims and the non-Muslims, it will be settled according to the laws of their respective religions.
The Muslims and the non-Muslims in Medina must pay blood money (diya) in case of murder or injury.
Any person who violates the terms of the Charter will be considered a traitor to the community and will face consequences.
The Charter of Medina is considered to be one of the earliest examples of a constitution in history, and it provided a model for peaceful coexistence between different religious and ethnic groups.
@@Lubna.Candid In which country you massacre an entire population of males ,and take their women as sex slaves???
he revealed verses according to his situations and to gain as much as material wealth and followers he can.
Yeah, sure. That's why he never kept anything to himself...
Kids as young as 5 were getting married in Christian countries in the West. even King Richard ll married 6 year old Isabella. Also 200000 children were married in USA in past 15 years. So stop being a hypocrite.
1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1]
2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,
“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.”
Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,
“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.”
Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,
“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.”
Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,
“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,
“…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.”
That’s what you get for treachery
Innocent children going into slavery, what did the children do to deserve that?
@@SecularSpirit slavery is far different in Islam then what the western world did with slaves at the time. It also set an example for other people not to break treaties. Abu Dharr, you insulted him by his mother? You are a man with ignorance in you. They are your brothers and your assistants. Allah has placed them in your hands. Whoever has his brother in his custody, let him feed him with the same food he eats and clothe him with the same clothes he wears. Do not assign them a task they cannot do; if you do so, then help them.” Sahih Bukhari 30
@@soldierof-allah11 Could the slaves be bought and sold? Yes. Were they free to leave and go as they please? No. Did they just see their entire tribe destroyed and their fathers killed, which caused untold trauma? Yes. Did those children deserve this fate? No. But by the rationale of what Muhammad allowed, this brutality was just.
@@soldierof-allah11What about pubescent boys who had just started growing pubic hair? I started growing pubic hair at 11. How is it their fault?? How did they participate? If the ruling was on the soldiers only then it’s okay, but on every single pubescent male?! That’s insane.
@@A2-Star438 No only men who were of fighting age were killed
Michael H. Hart, in his book, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, wrote:
“My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level.”
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Michael H. Hart, the author of "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History," used a number of criteria to determine his ranking of historical figures. These criteria include:
Historical Significance: The extent to which the person has influenced human history and the course of civilization.
Longevity: The length of time over which the person's influence has been felt, and the extent to which their ideas and actions have endured over time.
Geographical Range: The extent to which the person's influence has been felt across different regions and cultures of the world.
Intellectual Brilliance: The person's intellectual or creative contributions to human knowledge and understanding.
Influence on Contemporary Affairs: The extent to which the person's ideas and actions have influenced the contemporary world.
Character and Leadership: The person's personal qualities, leadership ability, and moral character.
Overall, Hart's criteria reflect his view that the most influential figures in history are those who have had a lasting impact on human civilization, across a wide range of geographic regions and cultural contexts.
Jesus is a > Would you take the book if Michael H Hart wrote, "The 100: A THIEF, A MURDERER AND AN ADULTERER, Ranking of the Most influential person in History."
Would you advice his book? Shame of you that promote nonsense about your Islam.
Look your name? Jesus is a Muslim when Islam was NOT EVEN ESTABLISHED BY MHMD YET? What kind of brain you have?
Michael H Hart never accepted Muslim Religion.He died as a Jew.Then how they can base their opinion on Michael H Hart ,who according to their belief is in Hell.How pathetic Muslim Religion has become!Every other religion has a theology and philosophy.But since Muslim Religion does not have a theology and philosophy and everything is based on what Mohammad said about Allah speaking to him,they have to get opinions from other Kafirs.What a tragedy!
Dear Jesusisa Muslim,read in detail about Mohammad's death.Then you will understand how pathetic it was!
Amaizinng how Muhammad new the Jewish laws and was so literate in the Tora Bible ? He seems to be very involved in Judaism , his best friend was a Jew , he merrier a Jew , his real name was not Muhammad , and we don’t how he knew so much of the Bible to put in his book Quran .
Shame on you
Shame on Muhammad, if he actually was a prophet and Allah actually is real.
@@SecularSpiritFor dealing with traitors ?
This video is totally out of context
1) the prophet PBUH laid siege on banu qurayza, following their participation in the battle of the trench which killed Muslims. Laying siege means they surrounded the encampment, instead of slaughtering them in battle like they could have as they outnumbered the Jewish tribe by 2:1.
2) the prophet PBUH gave NUMEROUS opportunities for the Jewish tribe to surrender. He even offered them to keep their property and leave if they gave full surrender without condition. They refused.
3) their own former leader is the one who came down with this verdict. It was not the prophet PBUH. Before his verdict, the tribe agreed to abide by whatever he decided. He could’ve said “let everyone go free” and the prophet would’ve allowed it. But he came down with this verdict based on the Torah (deuteronomy).
4) even as the Jewish tribal members were being led to execution, they could have at that point said “I completely surrender please spare my life”. Instead, there are reports that some of them were still arrogantly defying the Muslims.
This was war. The prophet was not only a prophet but also a commander of an army. He was responsible for the safety and security of his followers as well as the Jewish tribes who made treaties with him. He was attacked at the battle of the trench, and as in any war an act of aggression is followed by a response. It is horrible that all these men lost their lives. However to blame a religion of PEACE, or call them antisemtic, is wrong. Arab kuslims first off are semites and secondly we love all the people of the book including the Jews. You mentioned the Israeli Palestine issue in your video, insinuating that this event is linked to how Muslims feel about Israelis today. First off, Zionism is not Judaism and secondly we don’t despise Israel bexause of their religion. we despise what the government of israel has done to the people of palestine.
i am sorry you have lost your faith. i hope that you contemplate your origin. how you were created. who put you here. who gives you all your sustenance? yourself? or God? if you still believe in the Creator then have thsnkfullness for all that He has given you and be reminded of the final day of judgment. only Allah knows all the details of what happened during the lives of the prophets, including with banu qurayza, and His judgement is flawless and His justice is perfect. if any muslims or jews or polytheists or anyone was unjust to anyone in their life, Allah is aware and there will be perfect justice in the end.
3) the leader of the tribe set the execution but if Islam is a religion of peace why continue doing it? Also why behead the children of the tribe which Hadith attest to
If Islam is a religion of peace why carry out the execution in the first place? Wouldn't god have dealt with them
The same justifications you give for the massacre are the same justifications Israel gives for their war on Hamas. Your logical leaps are ridiculous my guy
Those who have just started growing pubic hair were killed. How is that fair?
@@A2-Star438Anyone with pubic hair was considered a fighter back then...
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 That is a lie. Because Muhammad did not allow Ibn Umar to participate in the battle of Uhud when he was 14, and obviously at 14 he would have pubic hair. The fighting age was 15 and above. Most boys start growing pubic hair at 12, which even then was considered a child.
@@Narrator_of_Tarikh07 After a lot of research I came to the conclusion that this story is very likely false. It was narrated by Ibn Ishaq who heard it from the Banu Qurayzah themselves, Ibn ishaq was called a liar by Immam Maalik who accused him of fabricating stories that are related to Jews and being especially biased against them.
I will choose to not believe this story. There is no way a “mercy to mankind” would do this to children.
Still, I am not 100% Muslim yet. I need to do more research and discover myself till I decide. I am torn. I need to study every religion and decide for myself.
_"700 unalived"_
Actually, the more reliable estimate was 400, and they were their warriors. In fact, even that sounds like an exaggeration when one reads the details regarding that story.
_"Muhammad married Ayesha when she was 6yrs old and 9yrs at consumation according to trusted and accepted hadith."_
Funny how these sources are _"trusted"_ when they report something that portrays the Prophet in a bad light, but when the same sources portray him in a positive light, as the vast majority do, then they become _less credible_ to you.
In fact, the main narrator, that this hadith is attributed to, was Hisham Ibn Urwa, after he was 71yrs old, had moved to Iraq, and was known to suffer from *senility.* This is why the first extant Hadith compilation, that of Imam Malik -- his most prominent student -- is completely devoid of such an event. I wouldn't call that a very _trustworthy_ source at all.
_"Hatred of Jews rooted in the Isrel vs Palestine conflict"_
So it had nothing at all to do with the fact that Western Imperialist powers took Palestinian's land and handed it to European Jews? 🤔
1. Unaliving all their men, even if most of them are warriors...does not have good optics for the religion of peace and love and mercy that Islam is presented as. And this is without going into the enslavement of the women and children, which you omitted in your comment.
2. Regarding the hadith about Muhammad marrying Aisha, what matters is that many Muslims believe the sahih/hasan ahadith to be true, that's what matters. I question the historicity of the ahadith in general, whether positive or negative about Muhammad.
3. Watch my video about the Hamas attack: I'm Palestinian and I clarify that Islam is not the key factor in the conflict. But hatred of Jews by a lot of Muslims today has a lot to do with the conflict.
1. Who says "all their men" were unalived? The Qur'an is clear that it was only those who "helped" (Q33;26), the approaching army that were either unalived or captured. It was not "all their men."
1b. Regarding the "slavery" of women and children, the women and children were not punished for the crimes of the criminals; rather, they were taken because they had nowhere else to go. Furthermore, most of them were later released, as the Qur'an revealed the directive forbidding the taking of captives as slaves (47:4).
2. How can you say that _"what matters,"_ regarding the Ayesha hadith, is that _"many Muslims believe the sahih/hasan hadith?"_ Is that an honest approach? You are willing to malign an individual, that you acknowledge maybe innocent of the charge, only because people believe it? Where is the sincerity in that?
3. Your whole reflection of the history belies the reality. History contradicts your claims about how Muslims treated Jews. In fact, were it not for Umar, the 2nd Caliph, the Jews may have become extinct, 20,000 having already been unalived in the brutal Sassanid-Byzantine battles. Furthermore, during the crusades, the Muslims again came to the aid of the Jews. Lastly, during the Spanish inquisition, the Jews fled to Muslim lands for protection against their Christian persecutors. Saying that _"hatred of Jews is rooted in the Palestine-Isrel conflict"_ is inaccurate and utterly inappropriate in the current climate.
@@Zak-gl4ig I'm not sure what wording you're relying on, but the ruling I saw was for men of fighting age, in other words, men who are not children. Even if it was for 400, not 700, or for only "warriors", it's still brutality. And why the quotation marks around "slavery"? They were enslaved and distributed as war booty. Whether or not they were eventually released is besides the point, and beyond our confident knowledge too.
It's not about maligning the individual Muhammad, it's about what people believe to be true about him. If people believe it, its historicity is irrelevant because people practice it as if it's true. I suspect much of what is taught about Muhammad's life and deeds is dubious history. You have to remember this is someone from 1400 years ago who has been mythologized by Muslims.
I'll repeat my point about Israel: the reasons many Muslims TODAY don't like Jews is because of Israel's occupation, because that is what they see and are exposed to. You're making some other point that is addressing something I'm not saying.
@@SecularSpirit _"I'm not sure what wording you're relying on, but the ruling I saw was for men of fighting age... men who are not children."_
The Sahih Hadith (e.g. Bukhari, Muslim), clearly used the word مُقَاتِلَة which is a word used for trained fighters/combatants/warriors, it is *specific.* Likewise, the Qur'an uses the words ٱلَّذِينَ ظَـٰهَرُوهُم مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ which means _"those among the People of the Book who supported them"_ (i.e. those who actively supported the large attacking army). Hence, it rules out the idea that _ALL MEN_ were included in that directive.
The Qur'an further states فَرِيقًۭا تَقْتُلُونَ وَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقًۭا which means _" _*_a group_*_ of them (i.e. those who actively supported the enemy) you unalived and a group you captured."_ This tells us that EVEN among those combatants, who joined the attack, only _"a group of them"_ were unalived, NOT _all of them!_ Thus, it seems even the 400 number is a *huge* exaggeration.
Also, coming back to the Hadith, from Bukhari and Muslim, when we read the reported response of the Prophet -- that Sa'd had ruled according to Divine law (or "the King's ruling") -- we should understand that he would have been referring to the *original* Torah, not what you referenced from the OT.
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how do you explain why as of 2022
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All but 3 anti-Zionist countries are non-Muslim
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The only 2 anti-Zionist democracies are Indonesia Malaysia both Muslim
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There are many Muslim countries that recognise Israel
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Lol. It's only Muslims that have beef with Israel.
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What happens to Israel Vs Palestine if each Muslim converted to another religion or non-religion? Lol
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Why do 99% non-Muslims agree the world is much better off without Islam?
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Why are Jewish Christian Hindu Buddhist countries generally better to live in than Muslim countries?
People like you should know, In battle of Badr 313 soldiers were there from Muslim side and Muslims were by then the majority in Medina. Then how come there were 800 - 900 soldiers of Banu Qurayza? Hadith books and Sirah of Ibn-e-Ishaq has fabrications, but also truth. Do not lie!
Very fair analysis. Many modern Muslims will of course argue that such a brutal judgement was only for its context and not to be imitated today. Unfortunately not all Muslims see it that way. As with so many aspects of Islam, Allah seems unconcerned about the consequences of allowing his final message to mankind to be open to wildly differing interpretations.
Thank you, Hassan! ...صالح لكل زمان و مكان
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania
What are you talking about? The banu qurayza helped the muslms dig the trench and supplied weapons for them to fight! What did they violate ?
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Where did you learn your history?
@efootballmania
From islmic/muslm trusted sources ? I'm not a muslm so I actually read your sources because 99.9% of muslms don't lol you only listen to your imams sheiks friends and YT muslms and assume there telling you the truth ! Sad but true
For a religion sent by the all-merciful, it sure displays so many instances of brutal violence. I expected better from allah and I just don't understand how muslims who know this story can't see how insulting it is to their god of mercy and compassion.
Hey my favourite Potato! Oh Muslims know how to twist the story around, they kind of have no choice if they want to preserve their perception of Muhammad and Islam sadly.
Really happy that you're back! Keep up the good work :)
Thanks, Jasmin!
As a non-Muslim I was always shaken by this story and always wondered how Muslims manage to reconcile the Banu Qurayza genocide with their claim of "religion of peace".
Sadly, they kinda have no choice but to reconcile it or the whole house of cards collapses.
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
Act of treason means against peace and protection. The Medinan Muslims were in battle with Confederated Meccan Polytheist, Bani Nadhir persuaded Banu Qurayza to rebelled, and they tried to attack muslim women and child in the City while the Muslim men confront at the Trench. That's why there's judgement upon them.
@@efootballmaniaso you made their women sex slaves and sell their children
I think objectively it was the right thing to do. Mind you two other jewish tribes were expelled from medina just before because they gave information to the makkan idol worshipers that caused raids on muslims and they deaths. Yet they were shown leniency. But what the 3rd tribe did was betray them during an active war. And they were not even remorseful about what they did. Had they been left like that another tribe would've done the same thing thinking these muslims are so lenient and stupid that we can get them killed and they won't retaliate. So an example had to be set for treason. That same law still applies today in many countries for treason. Infact its much worse since many would torture the treasonous people rather than swiftly kill them. Had prophet Muhammad pbuh shown them mercy, islam would've stopped existing soon after.
I wonder if any archeological evidence has or will be found for this massacre.
A very good question.
It is important to note that muslims themselves have documented this act of gen*c*ide. This is coming from their own islamic sources!
If they were remorseful of it or were ashamed by it, early muslims would pretend that this event never happened at all. Modern muslim apologists and dawah dudes would claim this event is a "western conspiracy" to tarnish the good name of islam.
Since the sources are islamic, the denial part is very difficult. However, you will see muslims today downplay this event or claim that "there were good reasons for it".
Muslims would never justify this event if they were the victims of it.
And Muslims say that Israelis are Nazis because they are flattening Gaza. Muslims had no problem with using collective punishment and ethnic cleansing against the Jewish tribes of Medina.
Israel did it for Satan and Muslims did it for allahs messenger
Both are fucked
great vid
Thanks Kat!
I can’t take this anymore. I cry everyday and feel like I wanna end it. Everything I was told since I was a child was a lie. Why did I ever start reading into this? So who is Muhammad really? I don’t even know what’s true from what’s not anymore.
I'm so sorry to hear this, the sad reality is that we don't really know who Muhammad was, we just know he was a person and we hear stories that will have bias mostly praising him, and some against him. The important thing is that we try to lead our lives with the things that we know help people and avoid harming people.
@@SecularSpirit So what is the meaning of life then?
@@A2-Star438 There isn't one as far as I can tell. I choose a meaning, as do we all, for what matters to us as individuals and to the people we care about around us. I decided to be a humanist who cares about other people and making life better in terms of less suffering and more understanding. I enjoy doing things like writing and making videos too, which is why I do this channel. What are the things that are important to you?
@@SecularSpirit I think I’m on for a journey of self discovery. At first I didn’t wanna live, but curiosity cannot coexist with a desire to disappear. I’m kinda excited. Let the mission begin!! I’ll let you know if I discover it ^^
@@A2-Star438 That's great to hear, please do let me know how your journey goes!
🧐👍 Good work!
About the Deutoronomy 20. To understand why that command was given by God, one has to read Leviticus 18. Verse 21 is particularly troubling.
great content 👍
Happy Spring. So good to see you! How was the panel? Thank you for this.
I found this story disturbing and the thoughts of those killed that day play through my mind. When I hear phrases such as "the Quran has not been revealed yet" Or even if the spirit was that it had not finished being revealed, to me that signals human religious construction. If a deity is all powerful putting all it's transmission eggs in one basket, Muhammad, that is foolhardy and flawed. And I'd argue that given that the Quran, and history, has been pre-determined and already written the fact that the book had to be reveled piecemeal is a telltale sign of on the spot situational human creation. What a tragedy that people lose lives over created stories, myths, and figures.
Happy Spring Gerwalk! The panel is this upcoming Saturday! Come check it out :D This right here is the main reason why I do this channel: "What a tragedy that people lose lives over created stories, myths, and figures."
@@SecularSpirit I'll try to check it out online if it's being broadcast. I'll repeat my bad dad joke for you to open there:
You ask: "Have you heard that rumor about butter?"
They respond: "No! What is it?!"
You reply: "I won't spread it..."
And the groans begins.
@@SecularSpirit Thanks for your channel and I appreciate your intent.
@@bensweiss LOOOOOUD groans hahaha. Hope to see you there!
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
Another example of how powerless God apparently is in the face of 'tradition'.
Well said
Don't know, but if something happen like this in this way, it may not be called act of a messenger of the creator of this vast Universe with uncountable galaxies and stars. What the hell will God, the King, should get in killing men and enslaving and plundering the girls, children and women????
Another thing I have against Moe is he would change his mind if it suited him ie a hypocrite
Thank you very much!
Привет дорогой как дела я рад что ты знаешь Английский язык так же можешь послушать C.P всего наилучшего тебе и твоим близким
Totally logical analysis!
Thank you!
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Thank you, Brother Ben!
@@SecularSpirit Pleasure, mate.
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Hi Sara :)
You have read the scripture in the "Book of Deuteronomy" about the war Correct? It says > When you march up to attack a city, makes its people an offer . . ." And Mhmd did the same Correct? And they accepted Mhmd's offer to accept his rules and surrender them to the mercy of Mhmd but then they go against the God of the Bible breaking that Law Correct? Why?
Bc Mhmd is inspired by Satan and his followers are also Satan worshipers. The proof is in Sahih al Bukhari 3043 which says, >: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sa`d's judgment< that means they surrendered to Mhmd and his gang! and yet he slaughtered them!
So it is shame that today most of the Muslims are denying the facts that, Mhmd was NOT merciful as it say in their Quran Sura 9:128. If Mhmd was merciful then how come he is acting like this???
The fact that you grow up hearing how virtuous Muhammad was, is similar to what Reza Aslan has been saying: "People don't derive their values from their religion, they more often than not insert their values into their religion”.
Not sure what the problem is. THEY decided their own fate. Prophet Muhammad did not decide on their fate - whats the issue??
What of the children some not even teenagers yet. Have they decided their fate
Wow , they decided that they should beheaded and their women should be sold as slaves. And the prophet was innocent and he could not do anything about it...
Would you use this same rhetoric for defending the g*n0c*de of Palest1n1@ns? A small group does something wrong so everyone di3s?
I've always had a problem with the judgement , if the guilt of the crime is predetermined then the punishment is also . So if asked to judge as Sa'd was on the supposed established treachery of the Qurayza there would only be the one answer, its not really judging anything at all. That he had been a Jew is often used as defense by apologists , "he was fair to his own", but he did not judge if the accusation of the crime was true.
I've not seen any indication the Qurayza were signatories on the treaty , and in essence their guilt was established by a spy who claimed he was simply witness to them having a meeting where they refused to participate in back stabbing the Muslims , ironically because its claimed they feared the other tribes involved would leave them hanging out on their own and Mohammed would destroy them. But Mohammed destroyed them anyway.
Interesting perspective, I've read in a few sources that there were was a treaty, but whether there was or wasn't, it's scary that the issue was resolved that way, even if it was the norm at the time.
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Yeah I seen sources talking of the treaty , Ibn Ishaq talks about it , but in mention of the tribes signatories to it, there was no mention of the Qurayza as I recollect. I can be wrong, not an Arabic speaker so it might be hidden in such a source.
Like you I think , it's these moral excesses which do not comport the supposed nature of a deity that Mohammed was supposed to represent that show him to be merely a man of his time ( if he existed as described).
Nice video btw , good to see some coherent reasonable critique .
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@efootballmania
Show the Qurayza were signatories of that treaty.
Even if they were signatories, they actually did not violate anything , they had a meeting with the exiled jewish tribes , and refused to help them. They also did not raise a sword to the Muslims.
They were accused of being traitors simply for having the meeting , but they did not do any treachery.
Mohammed called them traitors , and thats all it took , all the men and pubescent boys beheaded , all the women, girls and pre-pubescent boys taken as slaves. All their property confiscated. Today we call that ethnic genocide.
@@tdsdave
That's very convenient by the way.
Name one historian and their reference.
"Rahmatul-lil-Alameen" ....think not!
I'm a Christian, always have been, but I was seriously considering Islam at a point... The kind of heartbreak Islam apostates, especially those that were actually diligent and serious in their faith, and did their research, what you guys have gone through as you guys fought through what you were taught, and the pain of recognizing that you were lied to genuinely breaks my heart; The intense feeling of betrayal is just reality-shattering.
Assalamu alaikum, as the Arabs say... I do genuinely hope you guys who are suffering and dying inside eventually find genuine inner peace. I'm sure a ton of you guys are suffering pretty deeply. Please hang in there
Christianity is from the devil. 330,000 children abused and raped by 3000 priests in French churches. Thousands of abuse cases in Church of England. 20,000 cases of abuse in Dutch churches and tems of thousands in churches in other countries. The biggest terrorists are Christians.Christians Bush, Blair and now Putin. Hitler was a Christian. Could be reason why he killed millions of Jews.
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian,” declared Adolf Hitler in Passau on October 27, 1928.
I'm so happy Catholic priest Hilarian Heagy has accepted Islam. And Orthodox Christian Bobby Perspective has accepted Islam too.
Thanks Dima
Act of treason means against peace and protection. The Medinan Muslims were in battle with Confederated Meccan Polytheist, Bani Nadhir persuaded Banu Qurayza to rebelled, and they tried to attack muslim women and child in the City while the Muslim men confront at the Trench. That's why there's judgement upon them.
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I appreciate that you try to be balanced. I’m trying to educate myself
Thank you! Education is the best method in all walks of life!
😊 you can believe whatever you think is true , but thank for the detailed Points of view and quotes from different resources . Peace and blessing to my beloved prophet. و عند الله يجتمع الخصوم.
Prophet Muhammad left it in the hands of saad ibn muad. The Jews accepted his arbitration so why drag him into it. Islam is a religion of realism, forgive people who betrayed and plotted against him as you literally mentioned in the video. What do you expect him to do? Cuddle people who wanted to kill him? You live in delusion my friend. This isn't Disneyland, they initiated the betrayal and Muhammad saws dealt with them as he should. Would they of felt sorry for him if their betrayal actually succeeded? NO
are you silly? muhamed creared a religion which was supposed to recitfy the mistakes of the bible and torah meaning he wouldve educated them on the matter of how doing that isnt correct. and just beacuse a few higher ups didint allow the muslim soilders to pass doesent mean some random 12 year old boys who grew some pubic hair. beacuse that was the category they used to show matruity should be beheaded as their mothers and sisters plead for their lives as this compassionate prophet just watches with indiffrence. and the women taking as captives and forced upon by the soilders afterwards. this isnt realism this is just cruelty and i dont know how anyone can defend this. this isnt a compassionate person at all. "a perfect example of mankind" watches as something which obviously isnt right takes place imagine that was you you wouldnt ever be saying some stupid stuff like this
A famous Orientalist, William Montgomery Watt, wrote in his book, Muhammad at Medina:
“The more one reflects on the history of Muhammad and of early Islam, the more one is amazed at the vastness of his achievement. Circumstances presented him with an opportunity such as few men have had, but the man was fully matched with the hour. Had it not been for his gifts as a seer, statesman, and administrator and, behind these, his trust in God and firm belief that God had sent him, a notable chapter in the history of mankind would have remained unwritten. It is my hope that this study of his life may contribute to a fresh appraisal and appreciation of one of the greatest of the sons of Adam.”
@SecularSpirit
• Mary was 12-14 when she married and Joseph was 90
( source: Catholic Encyclopedia>St. Joseph>Marriage )
• Rebecca was 10 when she married and Isaac was 40
( source: Jasher 24:40 and Genesis 25:20 )
*RESPOND IF YOU'RE NOT A COWARD*
I'm a coward, I can't respond.
@@SecularSpirit
Can you tell me what is the punishment for your allies who sided with the enemy during a battle?
@Tubba
The only difference is Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
@@SecularSpirit
Banū Qurayza violates the agreement with the Muslims called *Constitution of Medina* during *The Battle of the Trench 627 AD*
So, what do you think the punishment for traitor?
Read Bible,Old Testament and New Testament never says about the age of Mary and Rebecca.Then how you got their age ?
In a statement published in Young India, Mahatma Ghandi stated:
“I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…. I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days, in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword, carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume [of a book on the Prophet’s biography], I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.”
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Boy, was Gandhiji fooled!
😂😂😂😂😂
The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.
Those punished for treason were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily).
Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.
The women and children were not harmed because they were true non-combatants, and it was one of the hallmarks of Islam that in times of war, the Prophet (Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) forbade their killing. The one exception was the capital punishment of a woman from Qurayza who had killed one Muslim man during the war.
Hence, this incident was not a genocide or massacre or extermination as some would try to portray, nor was it about religion. It was about tribal warfare and treaties, and the punishment for treason during a time of war with an external enemy.
In ancient tribal warfare, when one tribe lost a war, the surviving captives would often be used for manual labor, or sold into slavery elsewhere, which was that situation that Islam found the world in at the time of its inception. After all the warriors of the Qurayza tribe had been executed, in ancient Arabia, a tribe of now-defenseless women and children would have been impossible to maintain, and in those times, they saw bondage as a way to forcefully integrate a subdued tribe into their society
Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.
In the "Islam and the West" speech in 1993, King Charles talks about the misunderstanding in the west about Islam.
"If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the Islamic world. It is a failure which stems, I think, from the straitjacket of history which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished. But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history."
So i will also ask,If God in the torah ordered such killings and even worse and you do not deny Him basing on that, and you do not deny Moses then why do you judge Muhammad who even based on the quran it is more kind than the judgements in the Torah not even ahalf of violence that is seen in the old testament which you say was from God
During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present:
"No one has succeeded, this is right…I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."
Yeah, the quranic miracle is the biggest hoax I've ever seen.
Come up with falsifiable criterias on "what makes the Quran unique" (sure you won't) and making "something better" will be a piece of cake.
Joke of this week...😅😅😅
@@SahalaSinurat
"Joke of this week..."
No, a joke for much longer already: 1400y !
Isn't that funny ?
Ah, by the way, 2015 she published: "Reading the Qur'an as a Literary(!!!) Text"
If you have a book of law and someone comes and judges you based on your book of law...why would you question the person who is judging you based on your book of law is merciful?