Man, JM has a great mental approach to fighting games- even when he's getting bodied or dropping his execution he always seems like he's having fun. Respect.
JM has so much technical knowlege about fighting games, but he's( almost ) always smacked by online opponent. whats important is he's playing for fun. thats what i like about him
@@balabala1651 Not by randos, but when he fights true warriors of course he gets bodied. When he's fighting people closer to his level he does great, like in the strive tournament he won with Nago.
I just wanna thank you and J wong for being some just wholesome gamers. Yall like to talk some friendly smack but both you dudes are just hella entertaining.
I mean if you were telling him he’s wrong about the true meta then it’d be weird but most of his time with the game has probably been like “X character isn’t as good as MSP so why would I bother thinking about them”, so it’s not entirely unthinkable
Psylocke was (and still is) my favorite character in this game. I particularly liked her two tanned color palette options...the one J. Wong is using here and the light blue version.
Super stoked seeing a quick Collab after having seen Jm make the case and later Justin follow suit and offer the updated perspective on the point tiers. Awesome community, great content!
Psylocke also has a double dump which at more combo options with a super special follow through. Plus she’s fast on the ground if you know how to use her.
I've personally always liked playing with psylock and enjoyed watching the character shine jmcroft I'm shocked to have seen you not win one but you were a good sport about it I know jwong is one of the best if not the best this was a great vid and it had me laughing seeing how much fun yall had
You can tell he respects jmcrofts because he plays seriously. It's pretty cool. Not that he doesn't respect his opponents, but he's not serious with everyone
Im still only 00:39 seconds into the video but the "I think you should show it to us, I think we should see it" and then the editing like its our heroes last words. Instantly liked lol EDIT: Im 19:10 into the video, are we seeing our heroe getting 10-0'd? EDIT2: Damn...Jwong be doing us like that uh
If you're good with crossups and mix, give t-bonne a try. Sent drones are pretty good, too. Uhhhh, i dunno, not a lot of options, but do some digging, you'll find something. Hayato's expansion/varietyassist is lowkey kinda goated, but i don't think it will work. I don't mess with akuma and bonerine much. huhuh, boner..
@@rapidretrovenue563 I'v used Akuma since the game came out, but haven't played much since about 2001. It was pretty cool meeting Justin, and Daigo at Evo 2000. I need to make a proper PC joystick though.
@@grndzro777 Have you messed with Ken? Ppl say he's LOADS better than Akuma. Also remember this 3rd character you plan to use mainly as an assist char will likely be fighting on their own, so it should ideally be a character that can hold their own well. This is why Doom is ubiquitous in many weird teams because he can fight on his own and use remaining bar well. I'm a Sentinel Anchor kinda guy myself, though.
@@rapidretrovenue563 Yea I like Ken but I'v always really enjoyed using Akuma. The crossover with Bonerine's low assist might work pretty well. I'll probably work on my Hayato, and Jin as a 3rd. I'v never been a cookie cutter player. Something about following the pack irks me :)
@@grndzro777 I'm a Shuma main, so I know whatchu mean, but I think having at least one top or high tier kinda usually gives a team the needed "sauce" to make big plays. I know because I came up playing Shuma/Venom/Gief. I started noticing the team didn't have enough speed, so I replaced Gief with Chun-Li. Later I realized I didn't have enough anti-camping support, si I hit a character crisis, but I knew I wanted to make Shuma work. Now I use either Shuma/T.Bonne/Sent or ChunLi/Shuma/Sent and its hella fun combining the creativity of low tiers with the power of top. You strike this great balance of being creative, but pragmatic as well.
Wow. Ten seconds in, and I'm already APPALLED at the hot take that came out of your face. "What?!? [Psylocke's] not better than like, Jill..." Sir, the Psy-hate has been real for over two decades now.
I absolutely love the sound of your arcade stick jm. It's like asmr to me, you're one of my favorite YT fighting game people and the stick sound makes it even better lol.
I watched JWong video when he vs a psylocke player in MSH. It was crazy seeing what Psylocke can do. She is better then people give her credit for in MvC2.
I won’t lie, JM does a great job of keeping his cool here. Justin seems like an extremely frustrating person to play against. He isn’t concerned with making the game fun, he just does everything possible to win lol
psylocke is weirdly awesome for me, she's the only character ive ever picked up snd felt immediately competent with. all her normals flow perfectly for me and i really like her set of specials. although some of them can use a few less frames of startup.
At the start of the video I already disagree... Psylocke is actually far stronger than Cammy on point, it's not "Cammy level" Psylocke has better mobility with triple jump. Psylocke's ground dash, albeit slower than Cammy's has one of the smaller hitboxes in the entire game, I mean, she can dash BELOW Cable's Standing HP shots.... Psylocke has one of the best fireballs in the game. Psylocke has an instant overhead that solo combos into super. Psylocke has CRAZY GOOD normals, specially her standing HP, crouching HK, and all jumping hard attacks. Psylocke's "Shoryuken like" move simply goes through everything, and the LK version is super safe. Psylocke has the fastest Snapback in the game that comes out in CRAZY 2 frames. Psylocke's BnB deals slightly less damage than Cammy's, but who cares? Basically, Psylocke has waaaay better mobility, is better than cammy to open people up because Instant overhead, Cammy has shitty ability to open people up... and Psylocke can actually lame you out, while Cammy has no other option at all than move forward. IMO, Psylocke is FAAAAAAR better even on point.
These were some great matches! I love watching the two of you go up against each other, it's always a great time every match! And don't sleep on JMCroft's Marrow either! Saw some pretty crazy anti air stuff coming from Marrow last night and it was great😂
Just view battles of MvC2 in Mexico are some videos in TH-cam, Psylocke is the character that the players use more along Magneto, Cammy, Cap. Commando, TronBone, Storm, Cable, IronMan, Jill, Dr. Doom, RubyHeart, Strider and Centinel are the TopTier Characters not only for assistance
I agree with Jay Wong on this one the first time I played against her in the arcade that guy was doing some wild shit like double and triple are combos
Never doubt psyclock girl got full of surprises I do have to say combo is insane also that pressure lockdown yikes I didn't know that was possible amazing.
Her dp assist is top tier but she gets destroyed when she's on point against all the top tier characters. In low tier/ratio tournaments you don't get to use her op assists.
she pretty much only exists on top level cuz of Mags.. That's LITERALLY it. If it weren't for that, you'd only see people play her as a passion character, which is well, feasible to imagine lol the girl is THiCC.
@@pepeknight that’s pretty much it. Psylocke is still likely in the top 20 top point characters in the game…. Top 20 is not that bad in a game with 56 characters
I like because like most beautiful women (ideas) she is a pleasant discovery you could accidently overlook or underestimate. She has great speed and timing, she has great rhythm and if you work her well it looks like she's actually attacking you with dance-like moves because she is graceful in her movement. Her distant attacks aren't as ferocious as her up-close attacks but she can teleport to get in closer to her opponent, and she projects a psy-blast that she can follow behind which contributes to her inventory of ways to get up close and personal and smother you with high and low attacks while she screams out aggressively, "right here" as though she is fully immersed in the mission. And her character is deceptive because you wouldn't think she covers as much space and range as she does because they contract her body so she looks smaller than she is, but Psylocke is tall and has great reach.
Dude. PsyLocke is 10x better than Jill. Who told you she sucks???? Lol she has mixups, easy DHC combos, psyblasteis really good pressure and she has a 50/50 mixup unlockable with her gcf k special. Easy guardbreak too and relatively easy infinites. Good overhead too. You should watch gconcepts play her because he actually knows how to use her compare to everyone else who just uses her as a assist/just spam wave dash qcf k lol
She never says "Psylocke", she says "psy-blast". I love the idea of Psylocke anyway, and the whole x-men franchise. Stan-Lee said he created the x-men due to the struggles he observed blacks facing in the civil rights era. I know you guys (or many like you) don't like the word ACTIVIST but Stan-Lee was an ativist.
@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 Im fine w activists but I’ve worked in video games and a fun fact is that her recording, she had a few takes using “Psylocke” (the characters were going to introduce themselves in their own voice at firsr) and a few using “Psyblast” and others (psyblade, psybalñ, etc) she’s saying “psylocke” because that was the best sounding One. You can only heart it as psyblast because of the British accent - but the other words she says does not have that accent. She is yelling Psylocke and we love her for that
@@TheWorstType ok, seemed like you was frustrated with what she yells. But I'm "British" and people I challenge and play with all think she says "psyblast" while she does a psyblast and no other player ssys there own name apart Amingo maybe.
@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 and yes it was later changed to the announcer but a buddy at capcom mentioned they did record each character saying their name in a potential thought to have each character say it when selected
I always looked at “broken” characters as “beginner friendly.” Like if you’re better than me, you choose lower tier and I choose “broken.” Balancing every character is great for tournaments, but not couch coop with someone who won’t play against me because they’ve never played before. (Also, Justin Wong beating me with the lowest tier character wouldn’t prove how OP that character is 😉.)
Don't most projectiles go through hailstorm? Mega Man buster, Ryu Hadoken, Blackheart Demons, Sentinel beams, Doom Beams....what the heck is Justin talking about? Yeah. Psylocke is good in the right hands, no question, but the fact her fireball goes through hailstorm isn't really that impressive.
29:57 Shuma has much better supers AND a 1 frame jab. There is no universe where chun is better than Shuma lol all chun can do is build bar for another character. Shuma can actually use bar if need be and lead against magneto. That guy is smoking herbs xD TELL'EM JWONG!!!
How did you think pyslocke was bad when litarelly she is one of the letters of the broken team name. MSP Magneto, Sentinel, Psylocke. Actually wrong Magneto, Storm, Psylocke
Don't sleep on betsy
Instead sleep with
Players have slept against Betsy for years 😭
Man, JM has a great mental approach to fighting games- even when he's getting bodied or dropping his execution he always seems like he's having fun. Respect.
Because it's just casual matches and he playing against the best player
He's been salty before but even then he still keeps composed.
It helps when, even if you lose you have a chance to make profitable content from it.
JM has so much technical knowlege about fighting games, but he's( almost ) always smacked by online opponent. whats important is he's playing for fun. thats what i like about him
@@balabala1651 Not by randos, but when he fights true warriors of course he gets bodied. When he's fighting people closer to his level he does great, like in the strive tournament he won with Nago.
I just wanna thank you and J wong for being some just wholesome gamers. Yall like to talk some friendly smack but both you dudes are just hella entertaining.
It's gotta be the weirdest feeling to try and tell Justin Wong he's wrong about something in MVC2
I mean if you were telling him he’s wrong about the true meta then it’d be weird but most of his time with the game has probably been like “X character isn’t as good as MSP so why would I bother thinking about them”, so it’s not entirely unthinkable
It's like eating dinner with Jesus and telling him that no one will betray him
Psylocke was (and still is) my favorite character in this game. I particularly liked her two tanned color palette options...the one J. Wong is using here and the light blue version.
Finally Marrow appears. I was beginning to think I imagined her taking up a character slot.
This video had me smiling the whole time. It's cool to just watch two guys have fun play Marvel and not get salty.
justin's team has very good synergy, its the team that counts, not just a single character
Super stoked seeing a quick Collab after having seen Jm make the case and later Justin follow suit and offer the updated perspective on the point tiers. Awesome community, great content!
Psylocke also has a double dump which at more combo options with a super special follow through. Plus she’s fast on the ground if you know how to use her.
Ngl that Butterflies into Sonic Hurricane was sliiiiiiick, had me feeling sorry for my dude Ryu for a second 😆
30:25 JW really out here exposing my trash Shuma tech
Fellow Shuma main, hello?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Very cool Marvel 2 action. Brother, you have single-handedly gotten me back into this game. Have been playing a ton of matches over on Fightcade.
I've personally always liked playing with psylock and enjoyed watching the character shine jmcroft I'm shocked to have seen you not win one but you were a good sport about it I know jwong is one of the best if not the best this was a great vid and it had me laughing seeing how much fun yall had
I'm so happy that marvel vs capcom 2 is still getting love to this day. I wish I could play this game
so good seeing Jmcrofts took his time to train new players!! ;)
Bro what Psylocke is OD ass hell she gives all the flyers a hard time with her triple jump
Jwong is so good when he plays seriously! I like when you 2 play together
You can tell he respects jmcrofts because he plays seriously. It's pretty cool. Not that he doesn't respect his opponents, but he's not serious with everyone
i really enjoy watching jmcroft learning things we discovered 22 years ago. in a good way, like watching kids at christmas.
What gaming platform are they playing on?
Im still only 00:39 seconds into the video but the "I think you should show it to us, I think we should see it" and then the editing like its our heroes last words. Instantly liked lol
EDIT: Im 19:10 into the video, are we seeing our heroe getting 10-0'd?
EDIT2: Damn...Jwong be doing us like that uh
JWong is our hero
@@hotzauhse Well he is A HERO no doubt about that. But, is he the hero we deserve?
@@PeripheriAe yes because of his legacy
I'm trying to come up with a good assist for Akuma/bone Wolverine that would lock down the opponent and allow raging demon...that isn't Dr Doom.
If you're good with crossups and mix, give t-bonne a try.
Sent drones are pretty good, too. Uhhhh, i dunno, not a lot of options, but do some digging, you'll find something. Hayato's expansion/varietyassist is lowkey kinda goated, but i don't think it will work. I don't mess with akuma and bonerine much.
huhuh, boner..
@@rapidretrovenue563 I'v used Akuma since the game came out, but haven't played much since about 2001. It was pretty cool meeting Justin, and Daigo at Evo 2000. I need to make a proper PC joystick though.
@@grndzro777 Have you messed with Ken? Ppl say he's LOADS better than Akuma. Also remember this 3rd character you plan to use mainly as an assist char will likely be fighting on their own, so it should ideally be a character that can hold their own well.
This is why Doom is ubiquitous in many weird teams because he can fight on his own and use remaining bar well. I'm a Sentinel Anchor kinda guy myself, though.
@@rapidretrovenue563 Yea I like Ken but I'v always really enjoyed using Akuma. The crossover with Bonerine's low assist might work pretty well. I'll probably work on my Hayato, and Jin as a 3rd. I'v never been a cookie cutter player. Something about following the pack irks me :)
@@grndzro777 I'm a Shuma main, so I know whatchu mean, but I think having at least one top or high tier kinda usually gives a team the needed "sauce" to make big plays.
I know because I came up playing Shuma/Venom/Gief. I started noticing the team didn't have enough speed, so I replaced Gief with Chun-Li. Later I realized I didn't have enough anti-camping support, si I hit a character crisis, but I knew I wanted to make Shuma work.
Now I use either Shuma/T.Bonne/Sent or ChunLi/Shuma/Sent and its hella fun combining the creativity of low tiers with the power of top. You strike this great balance of being creative, but pragmatic as well.
Wow. Ten seconds in, and I'm already APPALLED at the hot take that came out of your face.
"What?!? [Psylocke's] not better than like, Jill..."
Sir, the Psy-hate has been real for over two decades now.
I absolutely love the sound of your arcade stick jm. It's like asmr to me, you're one of my favorite YT fighting game people and the stick sound makes it even better lol.
Psylocke was one of my favs since children of the atom. And in mvc 2 one of my teams were captain commndo, psylocke and spider man.
People sleep on that captain commando pressure
3:12 i never realized how tall psylocke is...
Wish they remastered or remade this
I watched JWong video when he vs a psylocke player in MSH. It was crazy seeing what Psylocke can do. She is better then people give her credit for in MvC2.
I won’t lie, JM does a great job of keeping his cool here. Justin seems like an extremely frustrating person to play against. He isn’t concerned with making the game fun, he just does everything possible to win lol
"I'm man enough to admit that (opponent's character) is looking pretty OP right now."
😂😂🤣🤣
There are missed inputs on flycast for sure. Especially when I'm trying to rush down or wave dash at times.
what platform u guys playing at and is it online?
Omg I really LOVED to see Jw playing point commando
psylocke is weirdly awesome for me, she's the only character ive ever picked up snd felt immediately competent with. all her normals flow perfectly for me and i really like her set of specials. although some of them can use a few less frames of startup.
Yo I watched them psylocke matches in the fightcade spectator mode cause I casually ran up to both of your names fighting yesterday !
I live for these videos, thank you so much
At the start of the video I already disagree... Psylocke is actually far stronger than Cammy on point, it's not "Cammy level"
Psylocke has better mobility with triple jump.
Psylocke's ground dash, albeit slower than Cammy's has one of the smaller hitboxes in the entire game, I mean, she can dash BELOW Cable's Standing HP shots....
Psylocke has one of the best fireballs in the game.
Psylocke has an instant overhead that solo combos into super.
Psylocke has CRAZY GOOD normals, specially her standing HP, crouching HK, and all jumping hard attacks.
Psylocke's "Shoryuken like" move simply goes through everything, and the LK version is super safe.
Psylocke has the fastest Snapback in the game that comes out in CRAZY 2 frames.
Psylocke's BnB deals slightly less damage than Cammy's, but who cares?
Basically, Psylocke has waaaay better mobility, is better than cammy to open people up because Instant overhead, Cammy has shitty ability to open people up... and Psylocke can actually lame you out, while Cammy has no other option at all than move forward.
IMO, Psylocke is FAAAAAAR better even on point.
What is Hulk's health in this game? He gets killed so fast
I think my first poster /pinup was of Psylocke. 😍💪
Man his captain Commando was also making moves.
These were some great matches! I love watching the two of you go up against each other, it's always a great time every match! And don't sleep on JMCroft's Marrow either! Saw some pretty crazy anti air stuff coming from Marrow last night and it was great😂
"How many times Birdie gotta come out?"
Two more
If they ever re-release marvel 2 I hope they some how add some official way to do the 5 point team thing, it makes the game so much more fun
“Psylocke is really good”
Proceeds to spam one move 😂
I had this game on the dreamcast cant find it anywhere best marvel vs capcom game ever
Just view battles of MvC2 in Mexico are some videos in TH-cam, Psylocke is the character that the players use more along Magneto, Cammy, Cap. Commando, TronBone, Storm, Cable, IronMan, Jill, Dr. Doom, RubyHeart, Strider and Centinel are the TopTier Characters not only for assistance
You can never call commando trash again after this lmao
I agree with Jay Wong on this one the first time I played against her in the arcade that guy was doing some wild shit like double and triple are combos
I learned from justin you can raw tag commandos super
Try using spiral dancer, sentinal and blackheart. Use spiral on the ground and fire tracking blades and use sentinal and blackhrt for assist.
I always played Iceman, Dr. Doom, and Psylock. Her assist is worse than Captain Commando’s but she can actually steal a win or 2.
Never doubt psyclock girl got full of surprises I do have to say combo is insane also that pressure lockdown yikes I didn't know that was possible amazing.
I always thought Psylocke was a top tier character in mvc2? Wasn't she in a ton of different tourny finals teams from years ago?
Her dp assist is top tier but she gets destroyed when she's on point against all the top tier characters. In low tier/ratio tournaments you don't get to use her op assists.
she pretty much only exists on top level cuz of Mags.. That's LITERALLY it. If it weren't for that, you'd only see people play her as a passion character, which is well, feasible to imagine lol the girl is THiCC.
Psylocke is more akin to Commando, top tier assist but loses on point to the 4 Gods. She's better than Commando but probs worse than Cyclops on point.
@@pepeknight that’s pretty much it. Psylocke is still likely in the top 20 top point characters in the game…. Top 20 is not that bad in a game with 56 characters
To be fair in the hands of a master like justin even roll could be dangerous
The Russian Commandos? I absolutely love this name!
sometimes I forget jwong is actually really good since all of his videos are him getting demolished by guys who mastered a specific game
Most obvious work ever. No way you actually thought Psylocke is just as good as Jill.
I like because like most beautiful women (ideas) she is a pleasant discovery you could accidently overlook or underestimate. She has great speed and timing, she has great rhythm and if you work her well it looks like she's actually attacking you with dance-like moves because she is graceful in her movement. Her distant attacks aren't as ferocious as her up-close attacks but she can teleport to get in closer to her opponent, and she projects a psy-blast that she can follow behind which contributes to her inventory of ways to get up close and personal and smother you with high and low attacks while she screams out aggressively, "right here" as though she is fully immersed in the mission. And her character is deceptive because you wouldn't think she covers as much space and range as she does because they contract her body so she looks smaller than she is, but Psylocke is tall and has great reach.
I loved Justin’s Cap
Nice crossover when u missed your attack with cable.
Psylocke looking OP when J Wong plays her doesn't really mean much. Even his Roll is pretty good.
Bruh Psylocke was pretty solid on Yipes infamous MSP team
Psylocke has been Op since this game came out , where tf has Jmcroft been 😭
Dude. PsyLocke is 10x better than Jill. Who told you she sucks???? Lol she has mixups, easy DHC combos, psyblasteis really good pressure and she has a 50/50 mixup unlockable with her gcf k special. Easy guardbreak too and relatively easy infinites. Good overhead too. You should watch gconcepts play her because he actually knows how to use her compare to everyone else who just uses her as a assist/just spam wave dash qcf k lol
Did you say Psylocke is Busty?
Should be renamed to getting bodied by Commando with Psy speed.
mentions her bleed, fails to see the already almost level 3 super meter.
Yo can we get character showcase on Ruby Heart?
im suprised justin not using psylok triple jump
Psylocke is a dam pokemom with how much she yells out her name during combat
She never says "Psylocke", she says "psy-blast". I love the idea of Psylocke anyway, and the whole x-men franchise. Stan-Lee said he created the x-men due to the struggles he observed blacks facing in the civil rights era. I know you guys (or many like you) don't like the word ACTIVIST but Stan-Lee was an ativist.
@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 Im fine w activists but I’ve worked in video games and a fun fact is that her recording, she had a few takes using “Psylocke” (the characters were going to introduce themselves in their own voice at firsr) and a few using “Psyblast” and others (psyblade, psybalñ, etc) she’s saying “psylocke” because that was the best sounding One. You can only heart it as psyblast because of the British accent - but the other words she says does not have that accent. She is yelling Psylocke and we love her for that
@@TheWorstType ok, seemed like you was frustrated with what she yells. But I'm "British" and people I challenge and play with all think she says "psyblast" while she does a psyblast and no other player ssys there own name apart Amingo maybe.
@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 oh my no lol i love how she says it - she’s one of my favorite characters
@@-ucanthandledatruth01-12 and yes it was later changed to the announcer but a buddy at capcom mentioned they did record each character saying their name in a potential thought to have each character say it when selected
Wait how is justin playing 11 points!?
Or why is JM only playing 7 points?!
jwong is just good as hell
I always looked at “broken” characters as “beginner friendly.” Like if you’re better than me, you choose lower tier and I choose “broken.” Balancing every character is great for tournaments, but not couch coop with someone who won’t play against me because they’ve never played before. (Also, Justin Wong beating me with the lowest tier character wouldn’t prove how OP that character is 😉.)
That's what happens when you put Psylocke as a low tier on your fixed tier list video.
jmcrofts wrong about birdie in sf alpha too.
On what planet??
Wong just force him to take damage. You have to chose who you sacrifice. And JM just do t want to sacrifice...
Misread that as busty, but also true lol
That Captain Suckass pressure tho...
Give 'em Grief 'Gief!!!
Don't most projectiles go through hailstorm? Mega Man buster, Ryu Hadoken, Blackheart Demons, Sentinel beams, Doom Beams....what the heck is Justin talking about? Yeah. Psylocke is good in the right hands, no question, but the fact her fireball goes through hailstorm isn't really that impressive.
I'm glad Justin schooled you
29:57 Shuma has much better supers AND a 1 frame jab. There is no universe where chun is better than Shuma lol all chun can do is build bar for another character. Shuma can actually use bar if need be and lead against magneto. That guy is smoking herbs xD TELL'EM JWONG!!!
So JM put Roll to one point and Justin put Chun-Li to zero points. Interesting but their spots should swap lol
Funny thing here is Jwong is playing support characters
You really just cut off a dhalsim match to see psylocke? Come on man
Psylocke is amazing…
How did you think pyslocke was bad when litarelly she is one of the letters of the broken team name. MSP Magneto, Sentinel, Psylocke. Actually wrong Magneto, Storm, Psylocke
Yea boss yea boss yea boss 😂
I just want her back
I swear i clicked on a youtube video, not a hub video.
Well duh, she's best girl. How did you not know!?!?!
Listen, Justin Wong can make Roll good.
I like psylocke but she needs a color mod
damn, psylocke? I got so much to learn
"Imagine if ryu could attack after dp"...well, he can in Power Rangers
you were probably too young to play the previous games in the arcade if you thought psylocke was weak.
Dude, who told you Psylocke was weak? I've never heard that before up until now.
How dare you disrespect my character!!