I was a adjunct instructor at Marshal U. from 1983 to 1985 while working for Chessie System. This crash not only wiped out a football team, it also wiped out most of a generation of community leadership and the impact was felt 13 years later. A friend was out with his wife to dinner that night and she was a nurse, so when they heard of the crash, they rushed to the scene, but the policeman guarding the road told her they didn't need nurses, they needed undertakers. Very sad.
The doomed plane took off from my home town, Kinston, my senior year in high school. Stallings Field was an old naval air training base with the longest runways in the area. As I approach my 70s now, for some reason this life event is one that has stayed with me. Maybe because the tragic loss of such young people with their whole life ahead of them or a life lesson that we are promised nothing. I would go on to graduate from the college they played that day of the crash. I am proud to say my University installed a memorial to that Marshall team and is viewed every game upon entering the stadium.
I'm a graduate of Marshall University. Every Spring, there is a memorial fountain that is turned on in remembrance of this crash. It is turned off for the Winter.
I was 15 years old back in 1970, when this terribly tragedy happened. I was at a friend's house in Teavys Valley, (WV). My wife is so proud of her Master's Degree from Marshall University...."Go Herd"
My friend & tennis teammate Marcl Latjerman was lost on that flight. He was the field goal specialist. He could kick a 40 yd.field goal with his penny loafers on. RIP good buddy.
I have Iraq 2003 .My unit's Schnook was shot down by a SAM, Surface to Air Missile. Killed 16 and wounding 20.These were the same people I lived and worked with. Still haunts me to this day..
I was 15 yrs old and staying all night with a friend. We were watching TV maybe, the Newlywed Game. When it came across the bottom of the TV. I will never forget that.
@@planetarizona9865 thanks for serving Devi Dog. It was a sad day in West Virginia. When did you serve? Myself 1973 to 1977. After Vietnam what a mess back then, no respect or honor for our Military.
I have watched so many documentaries on this incident and it still makes me so sad. I can’t imagine a university losing so many students , parents and boosters and the pilots. God bless all the families and friends and RIP to all that lost their lives that day.
I started at Marshall as a student in 2002, finished being a student in 2014, and I still work there to this day. This video honestly made me tear up a little bit. Marshall is like a second home for me and will always be very near and dear to my heart. I always get emotional about that plane crash. I was there when they filmed the movie all throughout 2006. I watched it one time and have never watched it again and never will. Once is more than enough. You did very well with this video. Thank you for this. Go Herd!!!
My dad went to Marshal University. I remember my grandpa watching tv. I knew it was about a plane crash. I’ve been watching this channel for 6 years. I was just wondering what plane crash it was. He told me it was a plane crash on a mountain in West Virginia and how it took a good amount of the Marshall University Team. No, my dad was not on that plane, but he did tell me that he went to the university for college. R.I.P. Rob Israel’s friend, and Rest In Peace to the people on that plane. I hope this comment gets a bunch of likes and a heart from the channel.
The trees the plane hit was just past Ashland Oil and the Big Sandy River, a little while after the crash I remember that those trees were topped . I was with my parents the night of the crash returning from a grocery store in Kenova, heading towards Prichard, the police stopped us and told us to turn around and take the old river road home that a plane had crashed in the hollow. We could see the reflection of the flames from our car.
Crazy, I actually play football for Marshall and saw this on my feed. Keep up the content brother thank you for the support for the team and the program
Nicely done Kuya Allec. Marshall University still remembers the loss of this football team. The Thundering Herd has had several winning seasons in NCAA College Football. Thank you Kuya Allec
Hi Byron, I'm an M.U. alum. The have had more than a few winning seasons. In the 1990's they won more football games than any other Division I school. Those were the years of Chad Pennington, Randy Moss, and Byron Leftwich, among many other talented players. This kind of disaster is something you never forget. I'm also from Huntington and the mother and father of a friend and neighbor were on the plane. I was in military school when it happened and my best friend at school and I rode the bus back to Huntington together because his brother played for Marshall and was also on the plane. It was and continues to be one of the saddest events in West Virginia history.
@@whataguy7032 Cliff. Thank you for your reply and sharing your story. Wow! This truly impacted all of NCAA athletics and not just football. Thank you again. I read your story 3 times before responding. What a ripple effect on everyone, who says one life does not matter? Thank you again Cliff
As a young child I was present at that game. I was taken by East Carolina,s head basketball couch, Tom Quinn and his wife Doris, who were good friends with our family. We lived very close to the stadium. I remember Jim Woods coming on tv to announce the tragedy. I graduated from ECU and attend all of the home games. I was there when they unveiled the sign on Dowdy-Fickleness at the time. Lots of memories of us playing Marshall. RIP Thundering Herd!
I flew those boys and the rest to play that game. when we were on our rest period afterword we talked about what a wonderful group of people they were on the flight.
The movie was a nice tribute to this tragic accident. It is unfortunate that it takes accidents such as this to improve air safety. Ground proximity sensors are now common. Instrumentation is remarkably improved. None of that matters to the passengers who lost their lives and the families that suffered from this accident. As a college football fan I always worry a bit when my team is traveling to away games and Bowl games. I know it's the safest and most efficient way to transport the team but the memories of Wichita State and Marshall are always in the back of my mind when my team is in the air. ( I was in high school when these accidents happened and it really was shocking news back then.) Thanks for a thoughtful report of this tragedy.
it does not have to be an Aircraft... remember how our school Lacrosse team 'Lexington Bees' was involved in a school-bus crash on the way back from a friendly game (got spun out on a surface road in a night snowstorm)... thankfully most were OK, a few got more serious injuries, but all the teachers spent long hours biting their nails while the status of each student was confirmed. for a few hours of short journey, you are left aghast in terror at what could have been. some of the better school deans that I knew had aged visibly over that night.....
My grandpa is Ron mikolajczyk he transferred to tampa from Marshall 1 year before the crash everyone thought he was crazy but because of that I’m alive and he had a NFL career
Well done. That music is heartbreaking. I remember these plane crashes that killed the Wichita State team and the Marshall team. The more modern equipment on planes today could have prevented this accident, but fog and weather played a huge part.
At the time planes weren't required to have low terrain warning sounds or buzzers. Had they known they were flying that low they might have been able to power up and clear the mountain.
Watched that movie depicting that tragedy and read about it as well. This video explaining the reason behind the plane crash makes it even more heart wrenching. Heart goes for the souls lost. We are Marshall 👍
I’m a sub and a fast reader. Your videos are always amazing. But I did find it hard to read some of the words in white with a light background. Namely, when you showed the team in their white uniforms. Please don’t think I’m fussing, because what you do is truly amazing. But I did have to stop it to read it. But please know I love what you do and I am grateful for your talent.
Thank you for saying what I came to say, and much more eloquently. I love Allec's work and always look forward to the tributes created and shared here.
That picture of the two agents and a fireman is something special, I couldn't stop looking at it and wondering what all had to have been going through their minds. You can tell they were really in deep thought.
I was about 100 miles from the crash I remember hearing about it on the radio that night. I remember listening to a Reds pre-game show some years ago and Ken Griffey Sr was talking and he said he had a scholarship offer to play football for Marshall starting that fall but he had declined to pursue baseball. The man interviewing Ken paused and Ken said " That's right i would have been on that plane" Wow was hard to listen to this and think about the crash and to think Ken Griffey could have been on that plane and no Ken Griffey Jr would have been born along with all the other loss to many families that terrible night!
This was a terribly sad day for both College Football and aviation. I have often wondered exactly how the accident occurred. Sadly now I know. It's such a shame that a deadly event has to occur for the industry to make changes to itself.
I was born in Huntington West Virginia I remember that crush like it was yesterday so sad what a sad day what a sad year. I just want to give a big thank you to coach lindale for stepping up to the plate and put in Marshall football team back on the map go herd!!!!
I have PTSD from this crash. A lot of kids I went to school with lost their parents, and the town lost so many important people. I've been to the crash site. It is definitely haunted. I remember seeing it broadcast in the news.
I stumbled on this video by accident.4 of those guys that died in that tragedy were team mates of mines at druid high school in tuscaloosa,al.I was one of the best players on that high school team,but I lost interest,and left the team.I'm so saddened each time I'm reminded of this.
I was an 10th grader and lived about a mile from Tri-State Airport in Kenova, WV. I was listening to Tri-State Tower on my tunable aircraft radio. I heard Southern 932 report marker outbound on the localizer approach. After repeatedly hearing Tri-State tower call them, I ran down stairs and told my Mom that I thought an aircraft had crashed at Tri-State. We quickly jump into our car and drove as close as we could. The whole hillside was on fire. When we heard sirens coming we turned around and went back him. Sad day for all of us there that day. When I became an FAA Air Traffice Controller years later, I read the full NTSB report that was in our facility. Very sad circumstances.......
Dear allec, I am a 14 y/o from Bangladesh. I have been watching your videos for the past 4 years now. I have known a lot about airplanes from you. Bless You, Keep it coming! Could you please Do a video abot US Bangla Airlines crash at Trivuban Int'l Airport, Nepal?
Allec is rude. He should thank you for your comment. Since you're only 14; he should show some appreciation. Because the youth is the future; in aviation and everything else. But Allec seems to disregard you. What a Dick! There are other channels. Like , The Flight Channel. Check it out.
I have a good friend who was at Marshall at the time and she knew all of those players. She still bleeds green and makes sure that those on the plane will never be forgotten. I was pretty young at the time of the crash but I remember my parents driving us to Huntington the next day. I hate to fly into Huntington and Charleston but there are no other choices! RIP to all those who perished in this horrible crash.
Lisa, if she has any info or stories on The Moeller Fella's, tell her she can post them on The Southern Flight 932 Page on FB or can send them to an e-mail if she is interested.
I met a retired football player in the 1990s ...can't remember his name.. was offered a coaching job with Marshall around 1969 - 1970; wanted the job badly but his mom begged him not to take it; said she just had a bad feeling .... he got tired of her nagging and turned down the offer. Mother's instinct saved his life.
Thanks for sharing such a tragedy, Alec! I love your thorough and honest recreation of the flight and your continued dedication to add as many facts as possible
I've read the NTSB report. There was no decision to go around as this says at 5.32. Instead, the guy who set up the charter was up in the cockpit and goaded the pilot on at an extremely difficult airport in the mountains, saying, "i bet it'll be a missed approach." The refinery's lights they passed over had them confused, thinking it was the airport, perhaps, and with the charter sponsor goading him, the black box reports the plane suddenly dives down several hundred feet. This puts the plane too low and it clips a few treetops and ...
In the final moments, they pilots seemed to recognize that something was wrong, or that what they were then seeing was not what was they were expecting. Everything seemed normal in the descent until the captain noticed poor autopilot performance, but that didn't seem to be too great a concern to either pilot. As with many of these old cases, there just isn't anything other than educated guesses as to what happened.
I felt that, OK 1970, Cockpit crew were somewhat vague and appeared to me to be less technical than required, there were no altitude readouts by either pilot, ( I judge the cockpit conversation with what I experience as an air traffic controller for many years),there appeared to be interest in lights, rather than let down 'check height', or am I being old fashioned? Very Sad, the high number of Football Team Crashes, started with Manchester United which crashed I think it was France, Iced up wings, crashed on take off, ruined Manchester United.
@@terryofford4977 It's significant that neither pilot nor second officer had ever flown into the Huntington airport before this tragic night. The airport was built after they scooped off the top of the mountain.
It was a very cloudy/rainy evening. I was 15 yrs old and staying all night with a friend in Teavys Valley. I'll never forget that feeling when we found out.
It is about time either you or TheFlightChannel did a video on this. I have tried to get TFC to do it in the past but he never got back to me. (And didn't do it.) I am glad you did it because I live just a few miles from the crash site and it is interesting because there are multiple theroies as to why it crashed. I believe it is a combination of precipitation/fog, inadequate runway/airport lighting, and relying too much on the radio altimeter. Good video on the worst sports related air disaster in US history!
Remember when this happened. My aunt and uncle was at our hous playing rook with my mom n dad she was a cook at a sorority house. Knew some of the boys. Came over the TV started to cry. Was a sad day for the town and its people. Southern Ohio
Alec, I have been following you quite awhile, and always the visual reconstruction, flight data and facts. No bull, just straight up good information. Thanks
As a pilot operating out of Hunting in the 1970's, I have made that localizer approach many times. While on the approach if you break out over the refinery in the fog, the "gas burnoff' stack for unwanted gases can be seen. It is almost inline with the approach lights and the flicker of the flame almost looks like the "rabbit" of the approach lights. Many a pilot has seen this and thinking they were approaching the approach lights and high, start the descent. This has happened to pilo9ts who had made the approach many times. This was the first approach the DC-9 pilots had made at this airport. I saw the altimeter from the aircraft while the NTSB were inspecting it for impact marks on it's face. It read the correct elevation of the hole in which the aircraft crashed. The video did not state that the flaps were fully extended; something the crew were not to do unless they were assured of a landing. Burning stack at the refinery?
I remember this well . I wa a senior at St. Louis University and Wichita State and SLU were both in the Missouri Valley Conference at the time, so the Wichita State disaster was a personal shock for many of us. Then as the film said, the Marshall tragedy occured 43 days later. It was so heartbreaking. These two accidents plus the shootings at Kent State and Jackson St. made for a sad year of 1970 for college students I am glad that Marshall decided to restore the football program. It would have been too sad to have the tragedy of that crash be the last page in a historic program. GO HERD!.
People in the comments have been complaining about the text readability, but he refuses address this issue. This is the reason that I am NOT subscribed nor do I give a thumbs up.
Yet another potentially compelling video spoiled by WAY too much white text over black-and-white or light colored images, and lengthy text that does not stay on the screen long enough to read. Again as before I'm not the only one complaining. This could have been such a great presentation. Instead I turned it off before it was finished.👎
I can see how, in the fog, the lights of the refinery could have been confusing also. Maybe facilities with lots of lights near an airport could have their lights a different color, to make them distinguishable? However, I don't know if anything would have alerted them to the difference in altitude if they were not familiar with the area, and airport.
I was attending a high school in NW GA when this happened. At the time many of my friends and I were aiming to be accepted at either Marshall or Furman. When heard the news, we could scarcely speak for days. RIP to those lost.
I recall the moment I had first heard about this incident. I was travelling to Huntington (flying into Tri-State), when I was 15 years old, to play in a softball tournament in the late 80's. An older gentleman with whom I was travelling told me about the incident as we were on final approach (and it was cloudy with light rain during our approach). The guy was always a prankster with a morbid sense of humor, so I didn't believe him, but it did make for a nerve-racking landing. The next day, we went to the Marshall University campus and visited the Memorial Fountain, where I learned the old guy wasn't pranking. I've never forgiven him for timing when to tell that story.
Just like the Wichita crash mentioned in the video, like that of the Lokomotiv Yaroslav plane crash in 2011, and like that of LaMia Flight 2933 as well.... Never forget the teams that at least died together, preparing for what they enjoyed most in their career, and are now living in peace in Heaven, united. Thank you, Allec,and all others who dramatize and animate these crashes, for paying a tribute to the sports teams that met such tragic ends in the air.
That year I was starting college and getting married. I do not even remember this. But back then a plane went down every month. There seemed to be a great many planes crashing especially at night. Back then we could not afford a cab much less a flight. I feel bad for those kids. I was their age at the time. Never saw the movie either. All the people I loved in rock and blues died in small plane crashes. Planes were dangerous back then.
john harris flying is the safest way to travel, the chances of you dying in a crash are one in 11 million. You are more likely to die is a car accident on the way to the airport.
It literally beings tears to my eyes when I read of so many young people losing their lives. Most on this plane had many years ahead of them, all cut so abruptly short.
And to think of the players graduations, weddings, and children never created. Lives just stopped so suddenly and tragically. And of course, the coaches, staff and boosters whose families were left to try and move forward.
@@drawntomountains Yes, there were several Huntington doctors aboard and some cheerleaders. Of course, every life has equal importance regardless of their standing or influence.
@World Top Gun 352 "Alive!", by Piers Paul Reed, as I remember the book. I read the Reader's Digest version of the book at the time (early '70's, I believe). One survivor is actually quite a popular public speaker, and can be hired for a fee.
The memories never fade away. As a former player, I knew most of the players and coaches who perished. That's just one of the reasons that I published a memoir about my time at Marshall. See the blog .... novembereverafter.blogspot.com
From what I gathered, he was academically ineligible to play, therefore had to sit out the trip. heraldcourier.com/sports/history-with-hayes-tazewells-crabtree-avoided-tragic-marshall-plane-crash/article_805fbf16-e95d-11e8-b868-075687b2b53e.html
Good video, very informative. One thing I noticed was the video indicted that the flight left from Kingston, NC. It actually left from Stallings Field (now Kinston Reginal Jetport) in Kinston, NC. The had just played East Carolina University in Greenville. Visiting teams usually used the Kinston airport because the runways at the Greenville were shorter.
Tragic.....there is also very little concrete on why it happened which makes it even more sad :( Something clearly went wrong...but finding it has been elusive.
I was recruited by Marshall in '79. Went on an official visit but nothing more because I felt that they were "cursed". My best friend, at that time & who went on the visit with me, decided to go to Marshall; I joined the Navy. Maybe, it was a mistake!?! But, everything worked out. R.I.P. THUNDERING HERD players who lost their lives.
@@lam8138 i read the accident report from that night, the weather wasn’t that bad at all. it was light mist and broken clouds. what caused the crash was minimal altitude when landing. nothing with the weather
You seem like you are embarrassed or ashamed of West Virginia. If you don't like it then pack your bags and get your ass out of my Wild Wonderful West Virginia !!
I'm from West Virginia and went to Marshall. I was in the Army for 21 years and traveled all over the country and around the world. I was proud to tell everyone where I was from. When I retired I came back home and now live in Huntington.
@@johnnychaos152 from what my parents have told me and stuff it was a lot nicer here in the back when they were young. the town i'm from (madison) was really nice and had all kinds of businesses and things to do. now its just blown out with not even 1/3rd of the businesses remaining and filled with meth people. i really shouldn't complain though, i'm trying to work on looking at the bright side of things since i've started going back to church.
Thanks Allec for an outstanding video regarding this crash. I've seen the movie "We Are Marshall" but I never knew what actually caused the crash and it looks like they still don't know for certain. This is the first video I've seen featuring this crash and the investigation afterward. A job well done Allec.
I remember the crash well. I was staying all night with a friend of our family, I was 15 yrs. That Saturday evening was raining in the Tri-State. A night I will never forget.
@@usmc-veteran73-77 Thank You for serving . A sad day for so many families. We share their grief. Nothing to say could make that day better. Live your life well is the message. Be a gift to others in what you do.
@@PaulG0502 it was an honor to serve our great Nation. Here in West Virginia today, a lot of remembering and interviewing people as far as what they were doing. And interviewing family members who lost parents, brothers, sons on the Marshall crash.
Please pilots: never descend below MDA without POSITIVE (not just vague guesses) visual reference! how many innocent lives have been lost thru not following this basic rule?
DR, you're right. "They" say it's schedule pressure (often remembering management criticism for a previous go around), machismo, being too tired to continue flying, who knows? I've heard pilots say that not all pilots "want to get home too". Human condition?
Thanks for the video. I remember this incident, but I remember it happening several years later. I'm not sure why the timing is off in my memory. Either way, that's a tragedy. I once interviewed for a job at that refinery. I wish I had gotten that job.
Another tragedy that came to mind was the December 1977 crash of Air Indiana 216 which killed the entire University of Evansville basketball team. Have you done a video on that one?
Hard to believe that it has been 50 years since that crash and for a lot of us that live in this area as November 14th comes around it is still a sad time but a lot has come out of this crash for Marshall and the community May all the victims Rest In Peace
I will try to shed some positivity, feel free to skip past if you like. Imagine that our souls live on... that these players and any other person who dies are in so much peace and happiness now that they would feel sorry for our quality of life here, no matter where we live. I personally feel that we live on and communicate still, even if just for the few days after death. My Aunt died expectedly on Friday, and growing up she always was playing these card games on her computer. My mom texted me today that when her and my family got back to her house that my Aunt's computer was on, and it hasn't been on in years. That's not the first story like that from my experiences, and I'm sure others have their own. If I m completely wrong, we can at least find comfort that they aren't suffering anymore.
I was under the impression that the spot where the plane collided with the treetops is higher than the airport which I think is closer to the altitude of the rivers and streams that have bottomland there. Areas away from the rivers and streams are higher and the streams are sort of cut down into the terrain. The smaller streams reach the Ohio. I had relatives (Barebo,Barebo Twins) who were buried in a Hillcrest Cemetery that is somewhere above (in altitude) the airport,I'm not sure whether the crash site was almost right on the cemetery but I think it is near being in line with one of the runways possibly the plane was actually flying along one of the rivers and below the level of the airport which I now understand is not down in the floodplain all of the way I think pushing their luck without visibility to the runway past the point of go around or perhaps mistook some other lighting for the runway lights
You could tell much earlier than the crash that the pilots were doubting themselves as they neared the airport runway early enough to have the time to go around successfully...when in doubt ALWAYS go around. All it would have taken is for them to decide a minute earlier to do so...such a shame.
I'm beginning to think football and aviation don't mix, because it feels like every time football team gets on a plane, this happens some way or another.
I was a adjunct instructor at Marshal U. from 1983 to 1985 while working for Chessie System. This crash not only
wiped out a football team, it also wiped out most of a generation of community leadership and the impact was
felt 13 years later. A friend was out with his wife to dinner that night and she was a nurse, so when they heard of
the crash, they rushed to the scene, but the policeman guarding the road told her they didn't need nurses, they
needed undertakers. Very sad.
The doomed plane took off from my home town, Kinston, my senior year in high school. Stallings Field was an old naval air training base with the longest runways in the area. As I approach my 70s now, for some reason this life event is one that has stayed with me. Maybe because the tragic loss of such young people with their whole life ahead of them or a life lesson that we are promised nothing. I would go on to graduate from the college they played that day of the crash. I am proud to say my University installed a memorial to that Marshall team and is viewed every game upon entering the stadium.
I'm from New Bern never knew they flew out of kinston
I'm a graduate of Marshall University. Every Spring, there is a memorial fountain that is turned on in remembrance of this crash. It is turned off for the Winter.
I was 15 years old back in 1970, when this terribly tragedy happened. I was at a friend's house in Teavys Valley, (WV). My wife is so proud of her Master's Degree from Marshall University...."Go Herd"
The fountain is turned off every November 14, and it remains off until spring football starts.
My mother-in-laws cousin Dr. Ray Hagley was the team physician. Dr. Hagley and his wife Shirley both died in the crash leaving behind 6 children.
My friend & tennis teammate Marcl Latjerman was lost on that flight. He was the field goal specialist. He could kick a 40 yd.field goal with his penny loafers on. RIP good buddy.
I’m so sorry
@@nathanikeda9723 Thanks so much Nathan. I always think about my friend this time of year.
Today is the 50th anniversary of this horrible crash.
R.I.P to the 75 we are Marshall 😞 ✈
Just left the memorial at cemetery today ! We will never forget
Imagine waking up to hear that so many classmates and faculty had died.
Devastating.
Incredible Hmm
I have Iraq 2003 .My unit's Schnook was shot down by a SAM, Surface to Air Missile. Killed 16 and wounding 20.These were the same people I lived and worked with. Still haunts me to this day..
@@billyk... Do you mean a Chinook? Not trying to be funny just wondering if its a slang term
@@billyk... oh my God that's horrible. I'm so sorry :(
@@billyk... yes.
Exactly that.
God bless.
My friend and coach Frank Loria was killed on that plane . The nicest person that you would ever meet . RIP
Rob Israel I’m so sorry. 💔💞
I’m so sorry that happened to you
@@benjaminmendenhall3104 My condolences on your loss.
Awww
I am so sorry that happened to you
I feel bad😢
Tomorrow is 50 years since this tragedy, the university football team will honor the lost with their jerseys. Go Herd!
I was 15 yrs old and staying all night with a friend. We were watching TV maybe, the Newlywed Game. When it came across the bottom of the TV. I will never forget that.
@Elisa Kristine Well, today's the day...RIP to all of those that lost their lives...GO HERD!
@@planetarizona9865 thanks for serving Devi Dog. It was a sad day in West Virginia. When did you serve? Myself 1973 to 1977. After Vietnam what a mess back then, no respect or honor for our Military.
@@usmc-veteran73-77 My brother was discharged in June 1973 and he felt the same way about the lack of honor or respect.
I was 16 at the time and remember it like yesterday especially since it had only been six weeks since the Wichita crash.
I have watched so many documentaries on this incident and it still makes me so sad. I can’t imagine a university losing so many students , parents and boosters and the pilots. God bless all the families and friends and RIP to all that lost their lives that day.
I started at Marshall as a student in 2002, finished being a student in 2014, and I still work there to this day. This video honestly made me tear up a little bit. Marshall is like a second home for me and will always be very near and dear to my heart. I always get emotional about that plane crash. I was there when they filmed the movie all throughout 2006. I watched it one time and have never watched it again and never will. Once is more than enough. You did very well with this video. Thank you for this. Go Herd!!!
My dad went to Marshal University. I remember my grandpa watching tv. I knew it was about a plane crash. I’ve been watching this channel for 6 years. I was just wondering what plane crash it was. He told me it was a plane crash on a mountain in West Virginia and how it took a good amount of the Marshall University Team. No, my dad was not on that plane, but he did tell me that he went to the university for college. R.I.P. Rob Israel’s friend, and Rest In Peace to the people on that plane. I hope this comment gets a bunch of likes and a heart from the channel.
The trees the plane hit was just past Ashland Oil and the Big Sandy River, a little while after the crash I remember that those trees were topped . I was with my parents the night of the crash returning from a grocery store in Kenova, heading towards Prichard, the police stopped us and told us to turn around and take the old river road home that a plane had crashed in the hollow. We could see the reflection of the flames from our car.
That is so sad. I feel so bad about the crash and everyone who died that day. I'm sorry you had to see even what you did. :(
That old river road is super close to falling in the Big Sandy River now. :/
@@Pro-Deo Why? It's his memory. Maybe he likes it.
Crazy, I actually play football for Marshall and saw this on my feed. Keep up the content brother thank you for the support for the team and the program
"We are Marshall" greetings from a fan in South Charleston WV
I know these videos take a late of time and effort to make brother. Another great job. 👍🏻
Nicely done Kuya Allec. Marshall University still remembers the loss of this football team. The Thundering Herd has had several winning seasons in NCAA College Football. Thank you Kuya Allec
Solid HAHA walang bullshit straight to the point na mga info
Lol you can’t spell, let the guy comment
@@bettytorres426 im sorry
Hi Byron, I'm an M.U. alum. The have had more than a few winning seasons. In the 1990's they won more football games than any other Division I school. Those were the years of Chad Pennington, Randy Moss, and Byron Leftwich, among many other talented players. This kind of disaster is something you never forget. I'm also from Huntington and the mother and father of a friend and neighbor were on the plane. I was in military school when it happened and my best friend at school and I rode the bus back to Huntington together because his brother played for Marshall and was also on the plane. It was and continues to be one of the saddest events in West Virginia history.
@@whataguy7032 Cliff. Thank you for your reply and sharing your story. Wow! This truly impacted all of NCAA athletics and not just football.
Thank you again. I read your story 3 times before responding. What a ripple effect on everyone, who says one life does not matter? Thank you again Cliff
As a young child I was present at that game. I was taken by East Carolina,s head basketball couch, Tom Quinn and his wife Doris, who were good friends with our family. We lived very close to the stadium. I remember Jim Woods coming on tv to announce the tragedy. I graduated from ECU and attend all of the home games. I was there when they unveiled the sign on Dowdy-Fickleness at the time. Lots of memories of us playing Marshall. RIP Thundering Herd!
Allce. You did a great job with this video. This was a devastating moment for the Marshall University. May all 75 people R.I.P. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I flew those boys and the rest to play that game. when we were on our rest period afterword we talked about what a wonderful group of people they were on the flight.
@@careyallen8281 We're u really on that flight?
Who is Allce?
The movie was a nice tribute to this tragic accident. It is unfortunate that it takes accidents such as this to improve air safety. Ground proximity sensors are now common. Instrumentation is remarkably improved. None of that matters to the passengers who lost their lives and the families that suffered from this accident. As a college football fan I always worry a bit when my team is traveling to away games and Bowl games. I know it's the safest and most efficient way to transport the team but the memories of Wichita State and Marshall are always in the back of my mind when my team is in the air. ( I was in high school when these accidents happened and it really was shocking news back then.) Thanks for a thoughtful report of this tragedy.
The ill-fated TWA 800 flight also carried a sports team, a basketball one in 1996.
John Symons that’s with anything in life, must have failures to hv improvements!
it does not have to be an Aircraft... remember how our school Lacrosse team 'Lexington Bees' was involved in a school-bus crash on the way back from a friendly game (got spun out on a surface road in a night snowstorm)... thankfully most were OK, a few got more serious injuries, but all the teachers spent long hours biting their nails while the status of each student was confirmed.
for a few hours of short journey, you are left aghast in terror at what could have been.
some of the better school deans that I knew had aged visibly over that night.....
Not to forget the Vincennes basketball team.
BrazilLady You’re thinking of the Evansville Purple Aces incident in 1977
My grandpa is Ron mikolajczyk he transferred to tampa from Marshall 1 year before the crash everyone thought he was crazy but because of that I’m alive and he had a NFL career
Well done. That music is heartbreaking. I remember these plane crashes that killed the Wichita State team and the Marshall team. The more modern equipment on planes today could have prevented this accident, but fog and weather played a huge part.
At the time planes weren't required to have low terrain warning sounds or buzzers. Had they known they were flying that low they might have been able to power up and clear the mountain.
Watched that movie depicting that tragedy and read about it as well. This video explaining the reason behind the plane crash makes it even more heart wrenching. Heart goes for the souls lost.
We are Marshall 👍
I’m a sub and a fast reader. Your videos are always amazing. But I did find it hard to read some of the words in white with a light background. Namely, when you showed the team in their white uniforms. Please don’t think I’m fussing, because what you do is truly amazing. But I did have to stop it to read it. But please know I love what you do and I am grateful for your talent.
Thank you for saying what I came to say, and much more eloquently. I love Allec's work and always look forward to the tributes created and shared here.
sub needed to be yellow
I have trouble reading the lettering too, but yellow on white or white on yellow is hard to read too. They're also so tiny.
Get some glasses and use the pause button.
White on white simply doesn't work! A shame. Otherwise fascinating!
That picture of the two agents and a fireman is something special, I couldn't stop looking at it and wondering what all had to have been going through their minds. You can tell they were really in deep thought.
I was about 100 miles from the crash I remember hearing about it on the radio that night. I remember listening to a Reds pre-game show some years ago and
Ken Griffey Sr was talking and he said he had a scholarship offer to play football for Marshall starting that fall but he had declined to pursue
baseball. The man interviewing Ken paused and Ken said " That's right i would have been on that plane" Wow was hard to listen to this and think about the crash and
to think Ken Griffey could have been on that plane and no Ken Griffey Jr would have been born along with all the other loss to many families that terrible night!
This was a terribly sad day for both College Football and aviation. I have often wondered exactly how the accident occurred. Sadly now I know. It's such a shame that a deadly event has to occur for the industry to make changes to itself.
I was born in Huntington West Virginia I remember that crush like it was yesterday so sad what a sad day what a sad year. I just want to give a big thank you to coach lindale for stepping up to the plate and put in Marshall football team back on the map go herd!!!!
I was living-in Athens, Ohio, near Ohio University, when this happened. I was nine-years-old; but, I still remember-it, distinctly. R.I.P.
I was 7, neither of my parents were sports fans but I remember both were teary eyed over this.
I have PTSD from this crash. A lot of kids I went to school with lost their parents, and the town lost so many important people. I've been to the crash site. It is definitely haunted. I remember seeing it broadcast in the news.
I stumbled on this video by accident.4 of those guys that died in that tragedy were team mates of mines at druid high school in tuscaloosa,al.I was one of the best players on that high school team,but I lost interest,and left the team.I'm so saddened each time I'm reminded of this.
The music in this video takes the sadness to a whole new level. 💔
I was an 10th grader and lived about a mile from Tri-State Airport in Kenova, WV. I was listening to Tri-State Tower on my tunable aircraft radio. I heard Southern 932 report marker outbound on the localizer approach. After repeatedly hearing Tri-State tower call them, I ran down stairs and told my Mom that I thought an aircraft had crashed at Tri-State. We quickly jump into our car and drove as close as we could. The whole hillside was on fire. When we heard sirens coming we turned around and went back him. Sad day for all of us there that day. When I became an FAA Air Traffice Controller years later, I read the full NTSB report that was in our facility. Very sad circumstances.......
Dear allec,
I am a 14 y/o from Bangladesh. I have been watching your videos for the past 4 years now. I have known a lot about airplanes from you. Bless You, Keep it coming! Could you please Do a video abot US Bangla Airlines crash at Trivuban Int'l Airport, Nepal?
Your command of the English language is better than most Americans have, but you should have used "learned" instead of "known."
@@sharonw2475 Thnx bro! My father serves the Air Force as a fighter pilot. My surrounding environment has helped me reach where I am now.
Allec is rude. He should thank you for your comment. Since you're only 14; he should show some appreciation. Because the youth is the future; in aviation and everything else. But Allec seems to disregard you. What a Dick! There are other channels. Like , The Flight Channel. Check it out.
@@freddyferrillo9704 I know about every single flight accident simulator channel youtube has to show....
@@xtraordinarypilot9761 : Good! I know of a bunch too. They're all interesting to me.
I have a good friend who was at Marshall at the time and she knew all of those players. She still bleeds green and makes sure that those on the plane will never be forgotten. I was pretty young at the time of the crash but I remember my parents driving us to Huntington the next day. I hate to fly into Huntington and Charleston but there are no other choices! RIP to all those who perished in this horrible crash.
Lisa, if she has any info or stories on The Moeller Fella's, tell her she can post them on The Southern Flight 932 Page on FB or can send them to an e-mail if she is interested.
I met a retired football player in the 1990s ...can't remember his name.. was offered a coaching job with Marshall around 1969 - 1970; wanted the job badly but his mom begged him not to take it; said she just had a bad feeling .... he got tired of her nagging and turned down the offer. Mother's instinct saved his life.
Thanks for sharing such a tragedy, Alec! I love your thorough and honest recreation of the flight and your continued dedication to add as many facts as possible
Thank you for doing this video. I am West Virginian and a Marshall alum.
Cool name!
Jillyclitty
This happen somewhat close to where my grandparents grew up. My grandfather was apart of the cleanup for this crash.
A year ago I was watching Allec's videos back-to-back. Had a break, now IM back watching again. Thanks Allec, you do a great job!
I've read the NTSB report. There was no decision to go around as this says at 5.32. Instead, the guy who set up the charter was up in the cockpit and goaded the pilot on at an extremely difficult airport in the mountains, saying, "i bet it'll be a missed approach." The refinery's lights they passed over had them confused, thinking it was the airport, perhaps, and with the charter sponsor goading him, the black box reports the plane suddenly dives down several hundred feet. This puts the plane too low and it clips a few treetops and ...
In the final moments, they pilots seemed to recognize that something was wrong, or that what they were then seeing was not what was they were expecting. Everything seemed normal in the descent until the captain noticed poor autopilot performance, but that didn't seem to be too great a concern to either pilot.
As with many of these old cases, there just isn't anything other than educated guesses as to what happened.
I felt that, OK 1970, Cockpit crew were somewhat vague and appeared to me to be less technical than required, there were no altitude readouts by either pilot, ( I judge the cockpit conversation with what I experience as an air traffic controller for many years),there appeared to be interest in lights, rather than let down 'check height', or am I being old fashioned? Very Sad, the high number of Football Team Crashes, started with Manchester United which crashed I think it was France, Iced up wings, crashed on take off, ruined Manchester United.
@@terryofford4977 Germany
@@terryofford4977 It's significant that neither pilot nor second officer had ever flown into the Huntington airport before this tragic night. The airport was built after they scooped off the top of the mountain.
I live 2 miles from where the plane crashed. I remember feeling the ground shake. A very saddened day for Huntington West Virginia .
It was a very cloudy/rainy evening. I was 15 yrs old and staying all night with a friend in Teavys Valley. I'll never forget that feeling when we found out.
@Mike England so sad that this happened.
It is about time either you or TheFlightChannel did a video on this. I have tried to get TFC to do it in the past but he never got back to me. (And didn't do it.) I am glad you did it because I live just a few miles from the crash site and it is interesting because there are multiple theroies as to why it crashed. I believe it is a combination of precipitation/fog, inadequate runway/airport lighting, and relying too much on the radio altimeter. Good video on the worst sports related air disaster in US history!
Thank you for posting this. I grew up in West Virginia and I remember when that happened.
An uncle I would never meet boarded that plane ....😪
Remember when this happened. My aunt and uncle was at our hous playing rook with my mom n dad she was a cook at a sorority house. Knew some of the boys. Came over the TV started to cry. Was a sad day for the town and its people. Southern Ohio
It was a sad day in Southern West Virginia. I was at a friend's house in Teavys Valley when we heard about the crash.
Alec, I have been following you quite awhile, and always the visual reconstruction, flight data and facts. No bull, just straight up good information. Thanks
I have been to the crash site they have a nice memorial there, and another at the local cemetery in town honoring the six members never identified.
As a pilot operating out of Hunting in the 1970's, I have made that localizer approach many times. While on the approach if you break out over the refinery in the fog, the "gas burnoff' stack for unwanted gases can be seen. It is almost inline with the approach lights and the flicker of the flame almost looks like the "rabbit" of the approach lights. Many a pilot has seen this and thinking they were approaching the approach lights and high, start the descent. This has happened to pilo9ts who had made the approach many times. This was the first approach the DC-9 pilots had made at this airport. I saw the altimeter from the aircraft while the NTSB were inspecting it for impact marks on it's face. It read the correct elevation of the hole in which the aircraft crashed. The video did not state that the flaps were fully extended; something the crew were not to do unless they were assured of a landing. Burning stack at the refinery?
are you saying something at the refinery could have helped cause the crash as well?
I remember this well . I wa a senior at St. Louis University and Wichita State and SLU were both in the Missouri Valley Conference at the time, so the Wichita State disaster was a personal shock for many of us. Then as the film said, the Marshall tragedy occured 43 days later. It was so heartbreaking. These two accidents plus the shootings at Kent State and Jackson St. made for a sad year of 1970 for college students I am glad that Marshall decided to restore the football program. It would have been too sad to have the tragedy of that crash be the last page in a historic program. GO HERD!.
Sorry, but the captions were virtually unreadable over the images of the team photos. Perhaps they should be in yellow not white.
Andy Richards : or black. It was terrible. Most slides I couldn't read. White letters over white aircraft.
People in the comments have been complaining about the text readability, but he refuses address this issue. This is the reason that I am NOT subscribed nor do I give a thumbs up.
Yet another potentially compelling video spoiled by WAY too much white text over black-and-white or light colored images, and lengthy text that does not stay on the screen long enough to read. Again as before I'm not the only one complaining. This could have been such a great presentation. Instead I turned it off before it was finished.👎
He has many complaints about the virtually unreadable text but he just blows us off . mmm , flight channel here I come ✈️ 🏃♂️
Captions are fine, I don't know how you can't read.
RIP number 25 Nate Ruffin you are with your teammates now
I can see how, in the fog, the lights of the refinery could have been confusing also. Maybe facilities with lots of lights near an airport could have their lights a different color, to make them distinguishable? However, I don't know if anything would have alerted them to the difference in altitude if they were not familiar with the area, and airport.
I live about five miles from a municipal airport. The buildings around the airport have red lights on and around them.
Thank you for another great video, Allec!! RIP to the passengers and crew.
we appreciate all the hard work you put in to make these videos.
I was attending a high school in NW GA when this happened.
At the time many of my friends and I were aiming to be accepted at either Marshall or Furman.
When heard the news, we could scarcely speak for days.
RIP to those lost.
I recall the moment I had first heard about this incident. I was travelling to Huntington (flying into Tri-State), when I was 15 years old, to play in a softball tournament in the late 80's. An older gentleman with whom I was travelling told me about the incident as we were on final approach (and it was cloudy with light rain during our approach). The guy was always a prankster with a morbid sense of humor, so I didn't believe him, but it did make for a nerve-racking landing. The next day, we went to the Marshall University campus and visited the Memorial Fountain, where I learned the old guy wasn't pranking. I've never forgiven him for timing when to tell that story.
Just like the Wichita crash mentioned in the video, like that of the Lokomotiv Yaroslav plane crash in 2011, and like that of LaMia Flight 2933 as well....
Never forget the teams that at least died together, preparing for what they enjoyed most in their career, and are now living in peace in Heaven, united. Thank you, Allec,and all others who dramatize and animate these crashes, for paying a tribute to the sports teams that met such tragic ends in the air.
That year I was starting college and getting married. I do not even remember this. But back then a plane went down every month. There seemed to be a great many planes crashing especially at night. Back then we could not afford a cab much less a flight. I feel bad for those kids. I was their age at the time. Never saw the movie either. All the people I loved in rock and blues died in small plane crashes. Planes were dangerous back then.
Joyce Joseph and they still are. Don't fly casually, folks.
john harris flying is the safest way to travel, the chances of you dying in a crash are one in 11 million. You are more likely to die is a car accident on the way to the airport.
@@tomney4460 maybe so, but your chances of surviving a car crash is far greater than a airplane.
It literally beings tears to my eyes when I read of so many young people losing their lives. Most on this plane had many years ahead of them, all cut so abruptly short.
And to think of the players graduations, weddings, and children never created. Lives just stopped so suddenly and tragically.
And of course, the coaches, staff and boosters whose families were left to try and move forward.
@@drawntomountains Yes, there were several Huntington doctors aboard and some cheerleaders. Of course, every life has equal importance regardless of their standing or influence.
I was a copilot for Piedmont flying the YS 11 in and out of Huntington on a regular schedule. I remember this accident.
Were you on the Piedmont flight that got turned away, by chance?
6:05 Speaking of the Wichita State disaster; could you PLEASE re-enact that one Mr. Allec???
Note to self: Never get on a flight that includes all members of a sports team.
There were a few players who were injured who didn’t fly. It was very difficult on them, to say the least.
No need to tell that to John Madden.
@J G You mean the band that is now known for their song used in incest memes?
@World Top Gun 352 "Alive!", by Piers Paul Reed, as I remember the book. I read the Reader's Digest version of the book at the time (early '70's, I believe). One survivor is actually quite a popular public speaker, and can be hired for a fee.
that is a very interesting observation = it's like a jinx, like, the whole rugby team in the movie, Alive
This one is just so sad. We are Marshall is an amazing movie for those interested in the aftermath of this tragedy.
When I watched the movie, I cried thru it. RIP to the victims and prayers to the families and friends.😭
I remember this day, back in 1970, I was 15 yrs old staying all night with a friend in Teavys Valley. It was a shock to the State of West Virginia.
i knew multiple people on that plane. this was truly devastating. Go Herd!
Here tonight on the 54th anniversary, just 19 minutes shy of 7:36pm.
The memories never fade away. As a former player, I knew most of the players and coaches who perished. That's just one of the reasons that I published a memoir about my time at Marshall. See the blog .... novembereverafter.blogspot.com
I know a man Jack Crabtree was on the team, got sick, didn't go on the flight stayed on campus
From what I gathered, he was academically ineligible to play, therefore had to sit out the trip.
heraldcourier.com/sports/history-with-hayes-tazewells-crabtree-avoided-tragic-marshall-plane-crash/article_805fbf16-e95d-11e8-b868-075687b2b53e.html
@@martimcshy I often have a poor memory. I thought Jack told me approx 20 yrs ago he was sick
I wasn’t trying to be rude, I was just intrigued into the story and how one person could have been so lucky to not be on the flight. Cheers mate!
@@martimcshy in no way did I consider you rude :)
Good video, very informative. One thing I noticed was the video indicted that the flight left from Kingston, NC. It actually left from Stallings Field (now Kinston Reginal Jetport) in Kinston, NC. The had just played East Carolina University in Greenville. Visiting teams usually used the Kinston airport because the runways at the Greenville were shorter.
Tragic.....there is also very little concrete on why it happened which makes it even more sad :( Something clearly went wrong...but finding it has been elusive.
Then it must have been aliens. Any time there's something that's unexplained, insert aliens.
I watched it with captions
It was a lightning strike
Thanks, Allec for this video I finally know some good details
I was recruited by Marshall in '79. Went on an official visit but nothing more because I felt that they were "cursed". My best friend, at that time & who went on the visit with me, decided to go to Marshall; I joined the Navy. Maybe, it was a mistake!?! But, everything worked out. R.I.P. THUNDERING HERD players who lost their lives.
I'm confused.. The pilots thought they were landing on a runway when in reality they landed in a neighborhood?
I’m guessing so. The weather was really bad that day and maybe they thought the lights were the airport since they were basically right behind it
The plane crashed into a hillside. Tri-State airport is on top of a mountain.
@@lam8138 i read the accident report from that night, the weather wasn’t that bad at all. it was light mist and broken clouds. what caused the crash was minimal altitude when landing. nothing with the weather
The parents. That phone call. My God, the pain and forever suffering. God bless....
I can't even begin to imagine. It's so sad. But one say there will be no more sadness, tears and suffering. Thanks to God.
I love your videos Alec, keep them coming! I've heard a lot about this one, I'm from West Virginia (unfortunately).
You are good my fellow Citizen!!
Be proud of your home state! Nothing wrong with WV at all. After all, Marshall is there.
You seem like you are embarrassed or ashamed of West Virginia. If you don't like it then pack your bags and get your ass out of my Wild Wonderful West Virginia !!
I'm from West Virginia and went to Marshall. I was in the Army for 21 years and traveled all over the country and around the world. I was proud to tell everyone where I was from. When I retired I came back home and now live in Huntington.
@@johnnychaos152 from what my parents have told me and stuff it was a lot nicer here in the back when they were young. the town i'm from (madison) was really nice and had all kinds of businesses and things to do. now its just blown out with not even 1/3rd of the businesses remaining and filled with meth people. i really shouldn't complain though, i'm trying to work on looking at the bright side of things since i've started going back to church.
The TH-camr KTO talked about this crash, and as a football fan and avgeek, I’m glad you made this video. Well done as always, allec, and stay safe.
Thanks Allec for an outstanding video regarding this crash. I've seen the movie "We Are Marshall" but I never knew what actually caused the crash and it looks like they still don't know for certain. This is the first video I've seen featuring this crash and the investigation afterward. A job well done Allec.
I watched it with captions
It was a lightning strike
@@JamesJohnson-ts7uh thank you kindly for the information.
Tragic, just tragic. Thanks for helping me to keep things in perspective brother. Hope you and yours are well and healthy. ❤
Please do John Denvver's final flight.
That's no different than so many other small plane, single occupant crashes except that it involved a celebrity.
John Denver was ask to play another round of golf he refused Bad Move John
I thought he died from a skiing accident!
@@shannonwarren1490 Sonny Bono died from a skiing accident. His first wife is Cher. His 2nd wife Mary was a mayor in Ca.
November 14th a Day to Remember those lost in this tragedy.
May God Bless All.
I remember the crash well. I was staying all night with a friend of our family, I was 15 yrs. That Saturday evening was raining in the Tri-State. A night I will never forget.
@@usmc-veteran73-77 Thank You for serving . A sad
day for so many families. We share their grief. Nothing to say could make that
day better. Live your life well is the message. Be a gift to others in what you do.
@@PaulG0502 it was an honor to serve our great Nation. Here in West Virginia today, a lot of remembering and interviewing people as far as what they were doing. And interviewing family members who lost parents, brothers, sons on the Marshall crash.
@@usmc-veteran73-77 My brother US Disabled Vietnam Vet died 8/08/20 Covid.
@@PaulG0502 so sorry. I have high respect for all Vietnam Veterans. Even though I was in during the finally year of the Vietnam War.
So sad what happened. Unstable approach, and they just didn't pull up in time. Rest the souls of the dead. Nice vid, Allec... :)
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
Please pilots: never descend below MDA without POSITIVE (not just vague guesses) visual reference! how many innocent lives have been lost thru not following this basic rule?
DR, you're right. "They" say it's schedule pressure (often remembering management criticism for a previous go around), machismo, being too tired to continue flying, who knows? I've heard pilots say that not all pilots "want to get home too". Human condition?
Thanks for the video. I remember this incident, but I remember it happening several years later. I'm not sure why the timing is off in my memory. Either way, that's a tragedy. I once interviewed for a job at that refinery. I wish I had gotten that job.
Another excellent and informative video - thank you, sir!
Excellent re-creation and commentary.
Thank you.
Thank you so so much Allec for making this one. I live 50 mins. from Huntington. This one hits home 😞 Rip 💔 We Are Marshall! 💓
I lived about the same distance, near Whitesville. Graduated from Marsh Fork High School .
My grandma went to Marshall that year. It was tough for her because she knew a lot of them.
I bet she did
@@Connection-Lost Yessir. She’s told me a lot of stories about it. But she never went on an airplane again after that night.
Another tragedy that came to mind was the December 1977 crash of Air Indiana 216 which killed the entire University of Evansville basketball team. Have you done a video on that one?
Hard to believe that it has been 50 years since that crash and for a lot of us that live in this area as November 14th comes around it is still a sad time but a lot has come out of this crash for Marshall and the community
May all the victims Rest In Peace
I use to live near the Big Sandy River I have been gone for a long while. Reading the name Big Sandy River brings back good memories.
On an Instrument Approach, follow your instruments, believe your instruments. I've done plenty of them and it works every time.
I will try to shed some positivity, feel free to skip past if you like. Imagine that our souls live on... that these players and any other person who dies are in so much peace and happiness now that they would feel sorry for our quality of life here, no matter where we live. I personally feel that we live on and communicate still, even if just for the few days after death. My Aunt died expectedly on Friday, and growing up she always was playing these card games on her computer. My mom texted me today that when her and my family got back to her house that my Aunt's computer was on, and it hasn't been on in years. That's not the first story like that from my experiences, and I'm sure others have their own. If I m completely wrong, we can at least find comfort that they aren't suffering anymore.
I was under the impression that the spot where the plane collided with the treetops is higher than the airport which I think is closer to the altitude of the rivers and streams that have bottomland there. Areas away from the rivers and streams are higher and the streams are sort of cut down into the terrain. The smaller streams reach the Ohio.
I had relatives (Barebo,Barebo Twins) who were buried in a Hillcrest Cemetery that is somewhere above (in altitude) the airport,I'm not sure whether the crash site was almost right on the cemetery but I think it is near being in line with one of the runways
possibly the plane was actually flying along one of the rivers and below the level of the airport which I now understand is not down in the floodplain all of the way
I think pushing their luck without visibility to the runway past the point of go around or perhaps mistook some other lighting for the runway lights
You could tell much earlier than the crash that the pilots were doubting themselves as they neared the airport runway early enough to have the time to go around successfully...when in doubt ALWAYS go around. All it would have taken is for them to decide a minute earlier to do so...such a shame.
I'm beginning to think football and aviation don't mix, because it feels like every time football team gets on a plane, this happens some way or another.
May all those RIP..you are not forgotten
SUCH A LOSS LIFE IS A MYSTERY AND NOBODY HAS ANSWERS. RIP.
They ran into a big mountain and went boom 😂