[1.2] Dan Feng's Mistake: The History of the High Cloud Quintet - Honkai: Star Rail Lore
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2023
- Have you ever wondered why Blade is hunting Dan Heng? Why Jing Yuan had to fight Jing Liu? And who the three out of five people are who have to pay the price for some unknown crime?
Well I SURE DID! So I did some investigating into the history of the High Cloud Quintet's members and... let's just say that what I found blew my mind.
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Overview of Xianzhou's Materia Medica: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
History of the Xianzhou: Errata: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
A Page From the Alchemy Commission's Official Gazette: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
The Account of Preceptor Sutuan Crafting a Statue of the High Elder: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Preceptor Assembly Chronicle Fragment: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Investigation of Ancient Pattern Rubbings from the Luofu: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Verdict: The Great Rebellion of Imbibitor Lunae: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Compendium of Remedies: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...)
Imbibitor Lunae: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Blade: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Shredded Notes of Scholar Bernini: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Undestroyed Letter: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
File Repository: Ally - Intelligentsia Guild: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Passerby of Wandering Cloud: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Bailu: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
Jing Yuan: honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/w...
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Find it interesting how "The three who must pay the price" are all on the path of Destruction, but Jing Yuan and Bailu are Erudition and Abundance respectively.
i think its fitting haha
It is implied in her drip marketing that she *left* the path of hunt to follow destruction which probably promised her the power to kill the gods she resent
@@bagyitawNanook supremacy
@@sassyquatch1185 ya know, the whole plot is trying to make us dislike Nanook but honestly the guy seems like a chad
@@neokatwastaken Yeah, implanting countless Stellarons throughout the universe like cancer 😂 💀
I love how Ashi has made Luka her HSR standin for her HSR videos like how Yanfei is her Genshin standin lmao
Redhead supremacy.
I feel like Astra would’ve fit more but she might not have her
I was hopping for QQ, I get the same energy from the cutscene where Qingque plays mahjong as I get from most of Ashikai videos, both are hyperactive gremlins
@@Astrophel24 Asta is guaranteed 💀
@@Wyqkrn damn I forgot, It’s been two months since I last played HSR.
I also think that Jingliu is the one responsible for Blade's desire for revenge, considering his whole mentality of being a weapon comes from her (she was the first person to call him "blade"). It is also the perfect revenge: Jingliu, who had to kill her loved one, curses both Dan Heng and Blade to hunt and kill each other, over and over again
I know he probably meant well, but Jing Yuen is right in being a bit hostile towards Dan Hung, or his past self. Dan Feng really fucked over so many people, by intention or unintention
Almost like "You did this to me and my loved one, now suffer the same" - such a fucked up sentiment tbf
@@biscvit9742 Way I see it, it's more "It's not your fault, but this is something you, and only you can fix, blame your older self"
📚🧐 *Lore - Jingliu x Blade Theory:* The passage from Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer that speaks of 3 people (spear weilder, unnamed, & beloved) and how they were thrown into an abyss of eternal hatred & remorse. The *"eternal"* part is likely suggesting that the 3 individuals are currently immortal. The *hatred and remorse* signifies the current relationship between all 3 characters.
There's *3 sinners:* Dan Feng, Blade, and Jingliu.
The Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage has *3 roles:* Dan Feng (spear weilder), Blade (unnamed), and ??? (Beloved).
There's a chance that the Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage is the origin story of the 3 sinners.
*"However, in the end, it was also this person* (referring to the spear weilder a.k.a. Dan Feng) ...
*who stubbornly adhered to their plans with the unnamed* (unnamed is referring to someone who worked together with Dan Feng on the immortality research (a.k.a. Blade))...,
*turned the beloved* (a 3rd person in this scenario) *into a monstrosity,*
*and pushed all* (meaning all 3: Dan Feng, Blade, and beloved) *into an abyss of eternal hatred and remorse."*
From this passage, we can see there are 3 people involved: a spear weilder (Dan Feng), the unnamed (Blade), and the beloved (???).
It says that Dan Feng stubbornly followed the plans that he had with the unnamed. We can assume the unnamed is Blade as the 2 of them did work together to research immortality. We also know that Blade wanted to back out, but Dan Feng proceeded with the plans anyway.
This leaves the 3rd person, the Beloved.
Beloved was turned into a monstrosity.
Jingliu was mara-struck, lost her mind, andshe became the monster that she taught Jing Yuan to slay. Jing Yuan took on the role of slaying her.
Taking this into account, if we assume that the 3 individuals from the Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage is referring to the 3 sinners, the 3rd sinner and beloved that was turned into a monstrosity would be Jingliu.
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Other info to be considered:
Blade's shard sword was a weapon he created himself. He gifted it to Jingliu before she was mara-struck, back when she was leader of the Quintet. He now weilds it himself.
In his idle animation, he can be seen hugging the sword. There's a deep blue sash on it - possibly belonging to Jingliu.
In Blade's PoV story, he shouts at Dan Feng: "The one who buried the beloved - is you!"
People have stated (I haven't seen this myself, so I'm not sure) that there's a statement somewhere that says "beloved and unnamed are engaged".
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This is just *a theory* though. Not a guarantee. Just a theory. 😄 Lookin forward to Jingliu in 1.4. Good luck on your pulls everyone!
@@milmil5350what
Bailu is a clone of Baiheng that Dan Feng, with Yingxing(now Blade)’s assistance, created in an attempt to revive her after a terrible battle that she sacrificed herself in. The result of their “great sin”(the edited Transmutation Arcanum) was a dragon abomination that reverted into an egg when it was slain, and when that egg hatched, what came out was…. The tiny dragon girl we all know and love.
This is one of the best, most succinct and clear explanations on this whole topic that I’ve seen. Tysm.
Everyone always forgets to look at this story from the perspective of Jing Yuan. Just imagine how difficult it was from him to see his friends cut each others throats. Also i believe that Lunae used the Fruit of the Arbor to grant Blade immortality and not his bone marrow.
With the new livestream it said that he did something wrong with the dragon inheritance system, so there’s a high chance he gave a portion of his own power as a scion of permanence to yingxing to keep him alive
@@Saya-ng1sl ohh I didn't see the livestream so I didn't know. Thanks
@@Saya-ng1sl ohh I didn't see the livestream so I didn't know. Thanks
Then why is Yingxing mara-struck? That's an abundance effect. Vidhyadara are immune to mara@@Saya-ng1sl
@@sanada-sama8303If I remember correctly, vidyadhara are not exactly immune to mara, it's just their rebirth resetting their bodies before they start developing mara symptoms. So I think someone from other species could have vidyadhara tissue in them and still catch mara because they cannot reincarnate to offset it.
There’s a text somewhere (sadly can’t remember where) that also describes the public’s outrage at Jingyuan making Danfeng’s sentence lighter so he wouldn’t suffer as much, as the Ten lords were detaining DF unjustly under the guise of ‘educating him’ as a reborn Vidyadhara. He exiled him so he wouldn’t live a life suffering under the preceptors, which is interesting.
Really sad and touching to think of how Jingyuan has looked out for all his friends even though they may not remember it
An appeal from the Vidyadhara Part 1 and Part 2 readable.
You can get it from Jing Yuan's table in the seat of divine foresight
I love how Jarilo IV is fast and quick with the story, there ain't really much needed characters to flush while as soon as we went to luofu the story went down deep and hard. We have bits of the quintet backstory, Kafka's story, the deep rooted story of the hunt and the abundance eons, and some other stuff.
It makes sense, Jarilo 6 is meant as a jumping off point for the trailblazer and the gang. the next expansions can now flesh out the main characters more, like Dan Heng for this expansion, as well as more info regarding the stellaron hunters and the trailblazer. I wonder if we will get more crewmates after we flesh out the other crew members. I feel like March might be the Paimon for the game, an easy going fun companion that might get revealed as a more powerful engame entity later on
@@connorradcliffe1769 I'm calling March 7th being this games Kaslana. Giving her poster girl status alongside Kiana (Paimons more of a mascot and HSR chose to use March instead of pompom) is a huge red flag of things to come.
It's genshin all over again
@@infinitezion2029 i agree
And yet people still gas Belebog up and downplay Luofu as if we aren’t going back to Luofu eventually for all these puzzle pieces sprinkled to us to eventually come together. Luofu is so much more then just it’s “main story” and imo way more interesting.
Love to drink wine with my bestie under the moon, platonically
love to share bracers which allow us to feel each others body temp, platonically
@epicazeroth This, but unironically.
This aged like fine wine. I am convinced Ashikai is either a time traveller or an insider in Mihoyo.
Nah she probably just actually read the lore. The game gave plenty of hints.
The reason Bailu doesn't dream and age because her connection was disconnected by what Dan Feng did, to make Yingxing immortal. Also a medicinal/alcoholic gourd is a very serpent related item in asia. Since Long, the Aeon of Permanence who created them, doesn't exist anymore, I feel like it's probably impossible to create a new viridhaya.
In the quest where we go into the water city, we see some phantoms of the past. Most of them seem to be depicting DFs life. And one of them is an older girl with a little boy. And they talk about how when she hatches hes going to be high elder. She could be Bai Lus former self. And there are more than just one High Elder. So Bai Lu could just have been another Elder previously.
Oh and the reason why Blade could have had white hair is because by that time, he could have been older. In the story quest, the phantom that is implied to be Yingxing, is described to be ''middle-aged''. It makes sense as Blades Artefact Sets Shoes tell how Yingxing has travelled the worlds quite a bit. The Blade that exists now is supposed to be him at his prime so the colour could have returned. The choice of casting Miki Shinichirou is also strengthening my theory as he is known to be typecasted as older males.
You get it. I also met that phantom and also felt it was Bailu.
yeah half of her theory got debunked by new leaks already this is sad lol
@@natachivt that make so much sense
@@bread-ol2ldwhich ones?
Yeah, I'm a lot more inclined towards your idea. I got that vibe from the mirage echo that it was Bailu.
This makes jingliu sound evil. The fact that she murdered blade over a thousand times because of what happened to Baiheng is unjustified. Based on this interpretation of events, Blade and Dan Heng only tried to save Baiheng after an accident. Unless if Jingliu was mara struck before and she somehow completely lost her mind.
I feel like she was mara-struck by then
📚🧐 *Lore - Jingliu x Blade Theory:* The passage from Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer that speaks of 3 people (spear weilder, unnamed, & beloved) and how they were thrown into an abyss of eternal hatred & remorse. The *"eternal"* part is likely suggesting that the 3 individuals are currently immortal. The *hatred and remorse* signifies the current relationship between all 3 characters.
There's *3 sinners:* Dan Feng, Blade, and Jingliu.
The Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage has *3 roles:* Dan Feng (spear weilder), Blade (unnamed), and ??? (Beloved).
There's a chance that the Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage is the origin story of the 3 sinners.
*"However, in the end, it was also this person* (referring to the spear weilder a.k.a. Dan Feng) ...
*who stubbornly adhered to their plans with the unnamed* (unnamed is referring to someone who worked together with Dan Feng on the immortality research (a.k.a. Blade))...,
*turned the beloved* (a 3rd person in this scenario) *into a monstrosity,*
*and pushed all* (meaning all 3: Dan Feng, Blade, and beloved) *into an abyss of eternal hatred and remorse."*
From this passage, we can see there are 3 people involved: a spear weilder (Dan Feng), the unnamed (Blade), and the beloved (???).
It says that Dan Feng stubbornly followed the plans that he had with the unnamed. We can assume the unnamed is Blade as the 2 of them did work together to research immortality. We also know that Blade wanted to back out, but Dan Feng proceeded with the plans anyway.
This leaves the 3rd person, the Beloved.
Beloved was turned into a monstrosity.
Jingliu was mara-struck, lost her mind, andshe became the monster that she taught Jing Yuan to slay. Jing Yuan took on the role of slaying her.
Taking this into account, if we assume that the 3 individuals from the Passerby's Roaming Dragon Bracer passage is referring to the 3 sinners, the 3rd sinner and beloved that was turned into a monstrosity would be Jingliu.
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Other info to be considered:
Blade's shard sword was a weapon he created himself. He gifted it to Jingliu before she was mara-struck, back when she was leader of the Quintet. He now weilds it himself.
In his idle animation, he can be seen hugging the sword. There's a deep blue sash on it - possibly belonging to Jingliu.
In Blade's PoV story, he shouts at Dan Feng: "The one who buried the beloved - is you!"
People have stated (I haven't seen this myself, so I'm not sure) that there's a statement somewhere that says "beloved and unnamed are engaged".
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This is just *a theory* though. Not a guarantee. Just a theory. 😄 Lookin forward to Jingliu in 1.4. Good luck on your pulls everyone!
so JL went mara mad because she couldnt stand being thirdwheeled in her own relationship or what lol
@@milmil5350 It could also be that the "beloved" who got turned into a monstrosity was Bai heng, if it's true that after her death, Dan Feng would try to reincarnate her as a Vidhyadhara but failed at first try by turning her into a huge dragon instead (that probably had to be killed by Jing Liu).
(Just a theory ofc)
@@milmil5350 this theory is great, can’t wait till all is revealed
Ngl, the more I hear of the HCQ the more sad I feel for Jing tbh. In return for brings the most stable and least messy member he's rewarded with the knowlage of (potentially) all his closest friends being alive but not in ways that allow for a reestablishment of proper relationships . One half are totally different people and other half insane. It actually impressive how he managed to avoid bring marastruck so far...
In traditional Chinese culture, exchanging cups of wine is a ancient rite that two people have sworn each other loyalty. This does not necessarily mean matrimony, it could mean also becoming sworn brothers.
the Blade and Dan Feng relationship reminds me of being "sworn brothers" which you normally see in eastern literature
aka, they are r eally gay (/hj)
How
It was hinted at them being married or engaged so I think it’s more than sworn brothers.
Hoyo be really feeding gay shippers well, but the lack of attention to this degree for het ships makes me sad, there should be a balance somewhere
@@xXNickFosterXx the only thing they do with hetro ships in honkai impact for example is k illing them sadly
There is a possibility that Baiheng is the bosom friend instead. Because it's said that "In hazy memories of the olden days, he finally made up his mind to gift his bosom friend with his hand-made jade flask, only to realize with a shock that the person he longed for was no longer there."
Baiheng is the only one who died before the HCQ broke up, before Jingliu frantically barged into Scalegorge in search of [her], before the Flash pv, before everything went down to shit. Dan Feng "died" after the sentence was dropped onto him by Jing Yuan, who reincarnated into Dan Heng and it seems that connecting the timeline, Dan Heng is the one who got chained up in the Prison because he said "His sins are not mine!" Or sth like this.
Also, it's implied that Yingxing died after the disastrous event (possibly reviving Baiheng into Bailu), but we'll have to wait for 1.4 to confirm this. There are two things that keeps me in denial when it comes to "bosom friend ≠ baiheng" and "beloved ≠ baiheng"
1. Honkai team in HI3 doesnt feed the mlm ships as hard as they do wlw ships
2. Baiheng has been hinted to be the "heart" of the HCQ's bond. Reviving someone into an immortal is a sin according to Xianzhou people, they have been at war with Yaoshi and her believers for so long. I think it's very fitting for Jingliu to be extremely distraughted by YX and DF's desire to revive Baiheng and turn her into immortal, not to mention the whole event ended up in creating a monster out of the "beloved". Yingxing was a very shy, insecure and unconfident kid back then, it was Baiheng who encouraged him and one of the reasons why he rose as Luofu's most legendary craftsman. Dan Feng and Jingliu survived the war because of Baiheng's selfless sacrifice, Dan Feng wished for her to survive and live, so it's really hard to imagine that Beloved IS NOT Baiheng at all. I'm not speaking this as a shipper anti, I'm just speaking as someone who has been following Blade's development since his beta, and I find it easier to accept that Baiheng is indeed the Beloved and the Bosom friend, that one person who loved everyone, loved by everyone...and ultimately...turned that love into an envoy of tragedy.
Damm this theory is good I swear everyone is coming up with great stuff that I wish it was canon
All of this lore dump and i gotta say i feel so bad for jingyuan. Imagine watching the people you grew with just slowly turn on themseleves and being unable to do anything about it. The poor man’s been bearing that much weight for all those years and suddenly he gets a reunion with all of them after all that fiasco. Hopefully he gets a peace of mind soon. But i honestly won’t be surprised if that peace means he’ll pass away.
I think blade’s current hair is dark now because that’s his actual hair color when younger-the mirage echo between danfeng & yingxing actually refers to yingxing as a middle aged man, so he was rather old supposedly at the time of much of this happened. I think after danfeng revived him using some part of himself he just regained his hair color from youth
Middle aged doesn't make your hair go completely pure white though. I'm wondering if there's something more to it than what's currently known.
@@SB-NaFeTs But he's shown looking young when he has white hair in the animation. Not a wrinkle on that man
@@SB-NaFeTs That's what I mean. In the animation of the two dragons you can see Blade with white hair still at the beginning when Dan Heng is pouring out an offering of remembrance. So he seems to have had white hair before getting old. Unless that's, you know, "anime old" and I'm expecting a much older look lmao
@@SB-NaFeTs Look man, I'm trying to be respectful here but I'm starting to get some aggressive vibes from you. I'm not trying to argue, I'm legit trying to figure it out. You don't have to be all "you're the only one that doesn't get it" that's going a bit far. He seems older to me, I just don't know how old they're depicting him. Old man to me is like 60s and anime can depict more wrinkles. I mean Itachi has those eye wrinkles but he's not old, so I don't know what they're going for, old or sick or what. There's not really any solid answers yet.
@@_Nyxus_idk but he really does look like a old man
I remember reading the Bailu x Baiheng conspiracy theory. I hope we actually get the older Bai Heng character since she was part of the Nameless as well.
agreege
Ok, had to come back to this video after doing the IL quest because it seems like you called it. So in addition to everything said in this video we have:
Bailu feeling like she was close to Dan Heng in her previous life, either as a FRIEND or a pupil.
Confirmation that Dan Feng was researching a way to allow the Vidyadhara to reproduce.
That the solution he found to the reproduction problem was using other races, in an undisclosed way, to increase the number of Vidyadharas.
And most important, that Bailu is a proof of concept for his research, meaning that either Dang Feng created Bailu from nothing or he made a non-Vidyadhara into Bailou.
There are also Baiheng info in Dan Heng IL profile supporting the idea that he used Baiheng's genetic materials. She sacrificed herself during the Abundance Emanator Shuhu's attack, by running her starskiff into the enemies while holding what sounds like a Stellaron which blown everything up. The only things left of her was some fur and blood drops.
To further explain Ashikai's comment at 04:50 about the oddity in the Chinese version of the flavour text.
Chinese: 腕甲的主人也曾与自己 (推杯换盅) // 望向冷月 // 彼此无言沉默
Rough translation: The owner of the bracer once (exchanged cup) with me // gazed upon the cold moon // both of us, silent and quiet.
In Chinese, the idiom 推杯换盅 (read tui1 bei1 huan4 zhong1) doesn't exist. Instead, it's supposed to be "推杯换盏 (zhan3)". 盏 and 盅 both refers to the same thing, a small cup. Kind of like martini glass, margarita glasses, both can be generally referred to as "a small cup".
For context, the idiom "推杯换盏" is use to describe an action in a very specific scenario. A scenario where it's banquet or a gathering, and nearing the end of the banquet, people push cups into each other's hand to exchange toast. It's a happy kind of event, with close friends and family, nothing to do with romance.
However, this is where the oddity strikes. "换盅" is a custom most Chinese couple goes through on the day of marriage, in one form or another, where both side of the family meet up and the couple will do a toast to their parents and family with a cup of beverage. Could be tea, could be wine, depends. Hence, this "typo" stood out to the Chinese speaking crowd. It really doesn't make sense. Unless we see this as Hoyoverse flexing on their Chinese vocabulary, found a better way to describe the image in their head down to the detail of the cup they are holding since the word "盅" seems like a more generic term.
So for that line, the literal translation can be interpreted as the following:
The owner of the bracer, who once I've exchange toast with, now gazed at the moonlight in silence, together.
With the following line that goes:
In the end, we went on a separate path, turned our beloved into monsters, and pushed everyone into an abyss of hatred and remorse.
Very nice explanation
Honkai lore has always been so interesting! But hopefully Star Rail won’t be as convoluted as 3rd? TT in any case CHEERS TO FUTURE LORE AND THEORIES
tldr: hope for no schrödinger
HSR is already more complicated with how the universe/galaxies work if you pay attention to the translations over it's Space mechanics
Compared to reading between Genshin and HSR books, I hated reading in HSR the most.
man hi3 lore was more straightforward than this... i'm so confused over hsr lore there's so many things all over the place and no linear plotline (at least at the moment), unlike in hi3 where we follow a few characters over a linear story
@@liv7511 at the tail end of ch1 it gets really heavy with concepts, feels like you’re in class at times
I don't know who to be more impressed with: ashi for being such a solid researcher and theorist, or HSR's writers for putting in all the breadcrumbs.
Imma go with ashi. Well done. You should get a job at the divination commission!
This has to have been written before the jingliu quest, because she mentions baiheng.
Very interesting to know how close Dan Heng and blade used to be. The overall information I have gathered from them reminds me of a tragic love story that usually is seen in Danmei stories. Lovers to enemies, a tragic tale.
Yeah the Blade and Dan Heng thing is definitely a danmei plot
Perfect timing given the special program. It's looking like Dan Heng's story quest is going to explore this idea given it's going to do the one thing I wanted since the 1.2 reveal: Having Dan Heng and Bailu interact
Same!!! Can't wait for the two to meet!
coming from the future the quest literally did nothing besides one conversation that adds more evidence to this...
Exchanging wine cups in chinese culture is to show brotherhood and to become sworn brothers.
There are too few true brothers-in-arms stories in games so everyone always thinks people are gay. lol
Perfect timing for 1.3 updates to wreck us with more LORE about this group!
The Matrix of Prescience Vidyadhara Huixing talks about rebirth in an optional dialogue: "Without consuming a special potion, there's no way we can remember our lovers from our past lifetimes. Otherwise, one needs to carry something like a token during their hatching rebirth."
Funny how Blade is carrying a jade flask on him meant for Dan Feng and he's got the most vivid of memories left for the man in him while the others have faded more.
i believe the jade flask you are referencing is from passerby's bottle of plenty which is described as "white as pure pearl, which perfectly reflected the name of his friend" this being baiheng, as bai in chinese means white. so the flask was meant for baiheng actually
@corinaisajerk Actually the Jade flask was meant for Baiheng. JingLiu even gives the puts the flask onto Baiheng's grave.
This is a very nice video! Really love seeing more people talking about Bailu/Baiheng curious case :D (also that Luka avatar is adorable!)
If I might correct you, ‘bosom friend’ is absolutely not about Dan Feng. It refers to another piece of the Passerby’s relic set - Passerby’s Bottle of Plenty. It was available on beta, when sets had 6 pieces instead of 4. It told us how Yingxing made a white flask for his dear friend, who was ‘fond of going sightseeing among the galaxy, and loved making friends and holding feasts’. Most of the Quintet members never left Luofu other than for war, but Baiheng was a Nameless at some point in her life, which pretty much confirms her outgoing and freedom-loving nature. There is also an emphasis on ‘white’ color of the flask - because it ‘perfectly reflected the name of his friend’ (白 or ‘Bai’ means ‘white’ in CN, and Bailu also has the same character in her name, yes).
Yingxing was shy and felt bashful like a teen every time he wanted to gift the bottle to his friend. But when he mustered the courage - his friend ‘was already gone’.
This piece of set is not in the live game, ‘cause we now have only 4 items for each set, but Hoyo changed the Passerby’s Coat story a bit to refer to it anyway, more subtle this time, but still using the same phrasing from the gone item. Just like Blade’s story 1 refers to another piece from beta - Passerby’s Broken Mirror Armor, which was telling about Jingliu killing Blade over and over again. It’s not like if those pieces of set are not in the game anymore, their lore magically disappeared from existence - it’s still there, just more compiled now.
So, yeah, the bottle has nothing to do with Dan Feng, it’s about Baiheng without any doubt.
The 'marriage' thing is very funny. 推杯换盅 used on the relic is… how would I call it? It’s grammatically wrong here to the point of making no sense. Even regardless of incorrect usage - even if it DID somehow make sense the way it’s written, with the 换盅 used for Yingxing and Dan Feng, it would literally mean that they are referred to in this situation as parents marrying their children off, like for a peace treaty of some kind?? Which… erm… even with the hugest shipping googles in the world on doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
So it’s basically a silly little typo some people went absolutely crazy over, just seeing the word 'marriage' and ignoring everything else (which is especially funny, given that the game has a load of little details hinting at two other members of the Quintet actually being the closest to each other, but that’s another matter).
Without that typo tho what happens in the story is basically Dan Feng and Yingxing toasted for some plan of theirs, setting their mind on realizing it, and right after that everything went to shit with all the destruction and despair.
That’s all there is to it. It doesn’t imply any ‘deep familial bond’ here, it’s just two friends making a bad plan together and witnessing the grim aftermath of the said plan.
And Yingxing was probably the one asking Dan Feng for help in reviving Baiheng, not the other way around - she was Yingxing’s close friend and Dan Feng on top of holding Baiheng in highest regard as a dear friend as well, was just tired of loosing friends to war and the Abundance by then? So it probably didn’t take much for Yingxing to convince Dan Heng to go.
I personally don't believe that it was Dan Feng's doing that turned Blade immortal. De-aging part though? Actually possible. But that perhaps happened some time before the whole Baiheng and Shuhu thing, since there is an echo of Dan Feng who's letting Yingxing to search for some information in Scalegorge Waterscape, because he owed him something. They both sound pretty distant and nonchalant in every language there, so it doubtly happened after they lost Baiheng. So my personal interpretation is that this echo is about Yingxing finding some means to age slower and to make himself younger(not immortal), so he could stay with the Quintet for longer and continue to forge new weapons to battle the Abundance and its denizens. Dan Feng could help him, being indebted to him for something, that's why it actually might have worked - unlike Todd Riordan and his mentor's situation. That's just my little theory but it would explain how Yingxing was actually still around after almost a 100 years.
The theory about Shuhu being sealed in the Arbor is an interesting one for sure, I really like it, tho it's a bit unlikely? Since that time Shuhu was defeated it was on board of another ship, not Luofu, where the Arbor is. The Arbor is important, yes, but it's not the only source of the immortality curse - other ships have their own things, so I doubt they dragged Shuhu all the way from the Yuque. The Arbor was also sealed by Yubie at the time of Shuhu Upheaval period, which happened even before the attack on the Yuque and which made it nigh impossible to seal anyone there. Most likely, as according to Jing Yuan, the Emanators are really hard to kill, Shuhu just came back after some time and went after the Luofu. And that's when The Thing happened.
The Quintet fought Shuhu, Yingxing was cursed by the Abundance, Baiheng died, everything went to shit very quickly.
I think Dan Feng used some forbidden Vidyadhara technique to revive Baiheng and accidentally turned her into a real dragon who went mad and wreaked havoc in Scalegorge Waterscape and sadly had to be put down by Jingliu, who was crying and asking the dragon for forgiveness. There is a story on one of the items in-game about a Vidyadhara healer trying to make his foxian lover immortal via some medicine - she turned into an abomination and forgot him entirely. Also there is some information regarding foxian biology and them being… built different from both short- and long-life species?.. So it could be that foxian biology was incompatible with whatever Dan Feng did, that’s why it went so horribly wrong.
What was left of that Baiheng dragon was buried there and then, after some time reborn into a Vidy egg. Did Yingxing and Dan Feng knew of this incarnation of Baiheng? Probably no. Tbh I don't think even Jingliu knew back then, cause, if I'm not mistaken, her own falling-from-grace happened some time after this whole dragon mess. That's why she went all out on Yingxing/Blade - cause Dan Feng was detained, Jing Yuan wasn't to blame and probably was trying to negotiate with the preceptors and the Ten-Lords Commission for Dan Feng's life at the time, so Yingxing was the only one she could unleash her rage on for loosing Baiheng (for good, as she probably thought at the time). The echo of her in Scalegorge suggests that she went there to see Bailu some time after Dan Feng's death, and she didn't sound very sane there. Probably this, in the moment of great desperation, was the point when she succumbed to mara entirely and left the Luofu. So I suppose both Jingliu and Jing Yuan found out about Bailu much later - hence echo of Jing Yuan visiting the Waterscape and him basically watching over her quietly, because once she was a friend and now she is literally all that's left of his dearest people (two left and forgot a great deal/went mad, the third one is a completely different innocent person with a bunch of memories he doesn't see as his own).
As for the Sedition part, I really think it has something to do with the Arbor. There is an egg in the Waterscape that tells us about a Vidyadhara who's duty was watching over the Arbor and checking on its condition, and in their memory it's said, that that day the Arbor came to life again. It's a very interesting bit, that might imply that either Shuhu or Dan Feng reawakened the Arbor at some point - but for what purpose? It must be some big reason, if it was Dan Feng, 'cause it was implied that the Sedition held great importance for all the Vidyadhara - so it couldn't be just awakening the tree to resurrect someone - otherwise the Vidyadhara guards wouldn't have any reason to protect Dan Feng (and they did so very fiercely). Personally I think that Dan Feng wanted to destroy the Arbor once and for all, so the Abundance had no more reason to attack the Luofu and so they could live their lives peacefully without sacrificing thousands of friends and allies to the neverending war. Sounds a bit too extreme for sure, but according to other eggs and notes, Dan Feng was somehow heavily manipulated by both the Preceptors and other High Elders - so it's not really that impossible if he was in a bad place mentally at the time? Also I can see some of the Vidyadhara actually supporting Dan Feng in that case, a chance to put an end to the war and also regain their own agency and homeland sure doesn't sound too bad, even with some possible catastrofic consequences following. I don't necessarily think that Hoyo will go that way, but it's an interesting thought to entertain nonetheless.
I apologize for the huge wall of text and also for any possible typos or awkward wording, since English is not my first language. I just love this state of the unknown in my favorite titles when everything is new and open to interpretation and theory-crafting. Thank you so much for the video, it inspired a lot of thoughts, and have a nice day!
This is all really really interesting! Thank you for the huge wall of text! I love reading or listening to all the theories I can get my hands on.
ty so much for all of this! i really appreciate including where you found everything, i've been doing my own research and i hadn't found as much as you. this is very well put together ty so much! and ty for the clarification on drinking cups btw i was very tired of seeing that everywhere ;w;
Thank you so much! It was really useful. I always scroll comments trying to find theories. Yours has been my favourite thus far😊
@@Abduxalikovasabina Aw, that's so sweet, thank you sm! It brings me joy to know that people find it worthy of reading (´• ω •`) ♡
@@Ember48 You're very welcome and I'm happy if any of my musings were of use to you, friend! Sharing your theories and ideas with others is really fun :D
[ Edit] Ashikai I take the L on this one you were cooking.
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I do think this is an interesting theory but I feel that Dan Fung making Blade immortal is much more likely than Bailu. I feel with Bailu we're missing some pieces of the puzzle here.
This was my original idea as well, from just playing the game without reading all of the books and the like it's clear that they want us to see this idea as true, we will see, I wouldn't mind either way.
Yeah Ashikai ended up being right. Dan Feng as we now have confirmation, has nothing to do with Blade becoming immortal. Though in hindsight it should have been obvious that Dan Feng didn't revive him because the story never once hinted that he revived Blade, instead connecting Blade to the mara struck. Meanwhile the one that Dan Feng revived was referred to as a woman in his quest.
Though the fact that Blade's lore didn't say that Dan Feng revived him should have been taken as proof that he didn't do it, as there was no reason to keep it a secret if it were true.
Danfeng’s sedition could very well just be more dirt and blame thrown onto him from spite and cover up the shady stuff some of the high elders were in on with the Sanctus Medicus. We know at least some Vidyadhara were extremely loyal to Danfeng and his personal guards probably had put up a fight to defend him, providing evidence for a nonexistent sedition.
On the other hand, I do feel like Blade or Jingliu’s “spite” or “revenge” is more of storytelling smoke grenade and the mara amplifying emotions. I am certainly not saying they don’t harbor at least some feelings for what Danfeng did but I’d bet its more of “three of them has to tone for their sins” situation than anything. Blade wishes for his death, Danheng is ambivalent about his past reincarnation and Jingliu’s motives are still very much uncertain. Jingliu does feel a lot like the Fuhua arc in Hi3rd, certainly with somewhat similar motifs. It’ll be very interesting to see how MHY cooks this :>.
Putting all these theories aside...I really just want to appreciate how well written a character Jingyuan has been up till this point. He shares somewhat similar treatment to Zhongli but with some little different motifs. Blade’s voice line about Jingyuan says that he “always understood the price but never did anything”. This really doesn’t do him enough justice of the responsibilities he took up as a cloudknight. Jingyuan’s motif had been central in his animated short “as clouds that covers the heavens will the knights protect the Xianzhou”. In the end, Blade, Danfeng, and Jingliu all choose themselves or at least personal matters, even Jingliu, a sworn cloudknight. In some sense, all five of them are still around, but all but Jingyuan had moved on or are simply not themselves anymore. To think that the best memories Jingyuan had were all of the first decades or so of his life with the quintet, it just becomes so much more depressing watching him converse with Danheng and Blade…and potentially Jingliu in the future…
On a side note, in true MHY writer fashion, Jingyuan’s entire kit and the names are full of reference to classical texts and poetry, and it is ever so more depressing (that makes me like him more) to dig them up. His name itself is a reference, meaning “first sunlight”, which coincides with the name of his ultimate “lightbringer”. The name of his animated short “flash” is a reference to the title of Jingliu in her quintet days “transcendent flash”, signaling him inheriting the sworn oath of a cloudknight. The name of his weapon is a reference to a poem of a famous poet that carried the motif of lamenting the passage of lifetime and longing for a leisure life, a nod to how Jingyuan had originally wanted to become a galaxy ranger.
i love jing yuan appreciation !!! he’s hella awesome :)
love this information so much thank you.. jing yuan is really one of my favorite characters. one more point: if i am not mistaken wasn't it yingxing who crafted his weapon? also in his chamber we can see several swords being displayed and i think they were all crafted by him too. if jingyuan was the one who named his sword after that and hung up all those swords then he really is a sentimental person😭 breaks my heart at how only him and his memories remain the same and everyone else in the hcq has changed so much
Yeah all of hcq's weapons were made by Yingxing. I have my own few cents on hsr's writing of hcq's storyline in conjunction with the whole Xianzhou alliance storyline but thankfully it seems they still plan on returning to this storyline in the future. Hope they cook a little bit better :> @@truzhee
the high cloud quintet is literally the reason I am in this fandom I need more of them
It's possible the reason Jing Yuan visits Beilu is because she can postpone the effects of being strickened with mara.. maybe that's why he visits her every year. To avoid the tragic cycle he, Jing Liu and Yanging seem to share. And the reason he brings her gifts and tells her stories is because he fills responsible for her isolation. It's possible the unknown Foxian is a character we have yet to meet. Interesting however, that Dan Heng and Beilu have yet to share a scene together.. but im confident that some of this mess will get cleared up in Jing Liu's story quest in some way.
Dan Heng IL's companion quest confirms the Baiheng/Baliu connection.
Jingliu’s companion quest basically confirmed it; if only you waited a few months..
dang cant believe it's almost been a year since we learned about the cloud quintet, really hope u one make another hsr vid cuz u did mention acheron in the arlecchino vid 🙏
I never thought about how Blades "of fife people three must pay a price" was actually not raelly his quote. Interesting perspective!
There is a text somewhere in the came (can't remeber where) where it mentions that Dan Feng didn't go through a full rebirth. Instead he went through a molting rebirth, mearly de aging him.
Dh il e6 had him as a baby in the egg tho, so it’s pretty much a full rebirth
Yeah in 1.2 msq and some other scraps it's said he went through molting instead of proper rebirth because preceptors deliberately botched it as they were afraid of losing IL power transfer and knowledge entirely. Molting in Luocha quest is compared closer to deaging and that the soul isn't cleansed. So in a way DH is basically heavily amnesiac DF that lived entirely different life and formed a new identity(though still shares same roots). Likely eventually he'll be merging back into something new now that he's been fully awakened, his story arc just started anyway, not a conclusion when he's a main character.
i'd been wondering why dan heng's bibilunae form didn't have a permanent dragon tail while bailu does, assumed it was some design choice
but if bailu was a foxian, and foxians have tails, maybe that feature just... stuck around?
Seems to be true considering dan hengs horns are also only holographic... tbh if you think about it Bailu probably feels quite deformed about her body...
Bailu body shaming is not allowed
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE (spoilers):
You are absolutely correct. Baiheng is the name of the last member of the high cloud quintent, and the new Jingliu companion mission basically confirms that Bailu is Baiheng reincarnated as a vidyadhara. Very cool.
Also Blade is immortal due to getting infected by the flesh of an emanator of abundance, and this is likely how Dan Feng revived Baiheng. Little bit of high elder magic, some help from abundance, and BAM. Horrendous monster Jingliu has to kill which reincarnates into Bailu.
its very sus the fact that in jingliu's quest she went to meet her old friends.. and she went to see bailu. whats even weirder is jingliu asked baily to check up on her, like if bailu was just some random person there is nooo way in hell jingliu wouldve done that unless bailu was someone special and recalling this theory of yours, im fully convinced now
New quest basically confirmed that bailu is baifeng
i love how a set that is just blade's clothes is not blade's best relic
Which one ??
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So coming back here after the Jingliu Companion quest and wow, aside from a few things, this theory was pretty much spot on.
Huge thanks for combining all the Quintet crumbs in a single vid 🙏
I’m here after the new quest in 1.3 SO BE WARNED IF YOU READ THIS:
It seems like your theory about bai heng is all but confirmed at this point! I was already coming back to your theory when they mentioned bailu was directly appointed as next elder by dan feng, but then the mirage echo started talking about reproduction, , the abomination creating a “new life”, and how it has to do with bringing in races outside the vidyhadhara. And the nod at the end when bailu says “maybe we were friends in a past life”? DUDE, you hit a money shot and I want to applaud you for what seemed like an interesting, but outlandish theory at my time of watching. BRAVO
On Jingliu character card, we see her "pouring one out". For someone who's deceased. I'm also finding leaks about jinglius phone case having a fox (dont know if its true tho). This lore is killing me, I need to know more of their relationship. Saving everything for jingliu now 😂
This theory actually makes a lot of sense, amazing theories as always Ashikai 👏
Honestly, the new DH-IL story quest all but confirmed BaiHeng became BaiLu and that's why Dan Feng was exiled. Ashikai strikes again.
May be not the same Rahu but
In Hindu astrology, Rahu represents materialism, mischief, fear, dissatisfaction, obsession and confusion. Rahu is also associated with science and occultism.
Not to mention he is know to swallow sun and moon during eclipse
New story bailu says maybe Dan Feng was her friend in a previous life. The Foxian theory is very alive
The thumbnail changed... sneakyyyy
I've been thinking about the Quintet lore a lot lately so thank you so much for this video 🫶
So uh, fun fact about your Bailu theory. We now know the name of the Foxian because it's in the credits of the recent Dan Heng/Feng. She's called "Baiheng." You nailed it that bit.
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IL Dan confirms that Bailu explicitly gets her healing powers from Dan Feng, and they bring up Dan Feng creating a "draconic abomination" that's quite explicitly stated to have been created from a race other than a vidyadhara, and it's implied that the abomination became Bailu. So you're sounding more and more correct.
Aww damn i really wanted more of these but i guess the hsr lore videos were unique 😭😭 i really hope you get back to the game one day!! It gets so, so good and totally wild :( you’re so good st explaining things and theorizing with a lot of passion we really need someone like you in the community
Fascinating. These videos make the characters and the world so much more compelling. Thank you for pouring through background dialogue for us lazy pleebs!
Omg I love you thank you for not abandoning HSR lore I has hoping so much for a video of themmmm
Bon appetit! Thanks Ashikai for more lore crumbs to satiate my lore hunger!
YOUR CONTENT IS AMAZING, Just got into star rail and your description and explanation of the lore is so easy to understand and fun to watch. Keep up the great content❤
Well, if nothing else, at least we know that "the Foxian" was indeed Baiheng thanks to the Ichor of Two Dragons animation.
This video has been buzzing around my brain since the Ichor of Two Dragons short came out. Great work
As clouds that cover the heavens, will the knights protect... The Xianzhou!
5:10, it’s probably talking about a ancient chinese tradition where you drink wine, sometimes with your Blood and your close friend’s blood mixed into it, so that you can become brothers. TLDR: basically it’s an ancient chinese vow of brotherhood
Ashikai making her HSR "avatar" Asta would be more fitting IMO
I had already learned a lot about the High Cloud Quintet from seeing other people piece these bits together, but I never even thought about Baiheng reincarnating into Bailu! It would even seemingly follow the naming conventions of the High Elder's reincarnations like Dan Feng to Dan Heng.
Excellent video all around, keep up the good work!
Not only did I find this entertaining, I found it absolutely fascinating. At this point your videos have become a staple with my partaking in Genshin and Star Rail. Can’t be without ‘em.
And I mean if you’re here I don’t have to read all those notes and books despite the fact that I still pick them up whenever I see them… heh. Habit.
just started watching and already gonna thank you for this very needed video you’re the best!!
Yay! So excited for more HSR content from you! Thank you for all your hard work
this was so helpful!! It would've taken me forever to find all this information and it was so well thought out and explained!
BLESS YOUR SOUL FOR MAKING THIS I'M EXCITED FOR MORE LORE ON THESE 5
THANK YOU for finally explaining the High Cloud Quintet lore we have so far. I've heard bits and pieces of this story and it always sounded so fascinating, but it has annoyed me that the only way to find out more about it is to go rooting through obscure relic descriptions and in-game books, which I just have no time to sit down and read through
I've missed your Honkai Star Rail videos! Thank you for this Ashikai
This really sheds some light on things! Great vid, as always!
Holy, Ashikai, one video after another. Your productivity is unthinkable
That was wild and interesting, so much that I feel compelled to read it myself
I hope Moon drinker's companion quest will give us some more lore about Dang Feng and High Cloud Quintet! Also, I can't wait to read the moon-drunk's history whenever I get him
I've been waiting for this video from you! You make the best lore videos ^^
i dont have any additions to this theory but jing yuan's story is so profoundly sad to me... im rlly impressed by the morality and ethical questions hoyoverse is bringing up in star rail?? i went into this game having never interacted with any other hoyoverse IP before and was expecting kind of childish or surface level lore but i am so pleasantly surprised!! these videos have been very helpful in sifting through the overwhelming information in the game lol tysm!!!
Great video and eye for detail. While I skimmed a few of the letters and eggs, I just don't have the focus to stick with it, so really appreciate your time to do so and share the findings in such a well presented video.
I look forward to more as the game continues.
EDIT: I just realised it was your release video on 1.0 that made me download the game and give it a try.
not you using the "oh no and they were roommates" meme on Dan Feng and Blade, it cracked me up XD
I think you're onto something with the bailu thing, the new imbibitor lunae mission sheds some light into that, I really hope to see an 1.3 video soon!
So crazy that I watched this today and Honkai: Star Rail gave me an ad before this video started FOR JINGLIU'S CHARACTER!! It was a beautiful ad and so ominous and cryptic BUT THIS VIDEO IS MAKING IT ALL MAKE SENSE! Thank youuuuu
This is so awesome I hope you continue to make honkai starrail vid again❤
Damn, I love HSR lore. The Xianzhou is so story rich cuz of how long it's existed, but also how it ties into the current narrative. I love this shit and I need more!
Thank you! Finally someone to explain more and put all those pieces together, I cant wait for the upcoming patches
@Ashikai
Wow, as of 1.5 you got everything correctly, that's so amazing!
I hope you make more hsr content, the lore is beautiful, but it's hard to connect the many different sources, while your voice and narration are great and easily understandable even to not native english speakers.
I'm so glad I discovered your channel, keep cooking this high quality content!
I did not expect that heliobi comment, great video!
You were right about both Bailu and Phantylia! This is why your channel is the best when it comes to HSR and Genshin lore!
Woooow! Thank you so much for the video! I didn’t catch all of this! It was very interesting to know! Thank you!
This was a nicely put together and detailed theory, and that note about Phantylia potentially being a Heliobi is a great one. Though at 12:50, this operation to seal the Arbor likely had nothing to do with the Dan Feng and the time of the Quintet. It was sealed by Yubie, a High Elder incarnation before Dan Feng's time. I don't know if this was to seal Shuhu either, since the files only stated that it was to seal the Arbor itself because it was still kinda alive after being struck by Lan, growing slowly.
Dude you should make more lore videos these are awesome af
I don't think a single one of us thought she was going to say Bailu. 6:31
Your videos are always good! I liked them even though I'm not really a fan of genshin and now thats about a game I actually play its even better. Keep up the good work.
OMG you made it make sense!! So much sense! Tysm for that!!!
I hope you continue HSR lore especially since I think answers to what you were talking about here were clarified since 1.2. Great listen, glad you continued from Genshin vids!
HOW DOES ASHIKAI MAKES THESE PREDICTIONS?
Man this cool lore makes me really wish they explained this stuff in the main story quest
while it might be nice, it might turn casual players off. I was also a bit annoyed that The Trailblazer apparently told the crew about the Stellaron Hunters offscreen, made it a bit confusing when March said the trailblazer used to work with the hunters without the trailblazer having that interaction of screen
I'm afraid they won't do such explanations in the main quest proper :') Jing Yuan provided a somewhat short, relatively easy version of the vidyadhara lore in the main quest, and I've still seen people struggle to get it (and get it right). So as the person above said, it might turn casuals off the game.
I expect this overall arc to extend for years and current chapter is basically just intro tbh. And probably that's for the best as the game itself still needs to hit its pace, wouldn't want more 1.2 rushing. Meanwhile hopefully slow build up while we visit other alliance ships. So good chance it all will be revealed fully in game but will take good amount of time so info sinks in for casuals.
Legit, less than two hours of a story update with 1.2 didn't helped either.
Wow,so strong intro! Absolutely loved it❤
Absolute banger video, I love binge watching lore videos regardless if its Genshin or Star Rail, wouldn't mind seeing more Star Rail Lore videos tho 👀
Great video! This theory is awesome, feels like your on the money with this one
I love your lore videos and can't wait for more HSR content
Also, your comment about Phantylia being a heliobe can be built upon by one of her trump card attacks that literally crushes you under a star. Which in your last video about the mara struck, you mentioned ths creation of stars to be one of the abilities of the heliobe.
amazing video ! good work !
You have absolutely no idea how happy I'm that you also play Honkai Star Rail, otherwise all of those theories, god dammit. I can't, You are so right with this line of 5 people 3 must pay a price. It never fit Blade and I always had a problem with this line, but it fits JIngliu, also in Blade story there is this line, oh god. And we already saw in a stream that Bailu will show up in Dan companion quest in 1.3! God, I can't wait