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Since a lot of people are confused about this too: The tank starts with 4 crew members, not the maximum of 5. There's no radio operator/machine gunner in the hull at the start. The loader later dismounts and deserts them, leaving the tank with a crew of 3. With the commander staying outside of the hatch half the time and there only being a gunner left in the turret, the gun either shouldn't be moving or reloading. Can't have both.
Bro... it's a video game not real life 2. It's going to have issues like this because it's supposed to make the game more playable not more realistic because if it was realistic it would not be fun at all.
8:34 those are Mosquitoes. British 2 engine attacker aircraft. They made entirely out of wood and built for Anti Ship and Anti Armor. There was one Mosquito equipped with a 6pdr gun used for taking out U-Boats but there were some instances were they were used to take out German armor. The plane was produced all the way up until 1950.
@@SweetSniper5197 the Mosquitoes filled up plenty of roles, from recon to "special deliveries" (by parachuting small containers), bomber formation leaders, bombing, patrolling, submarine hunters, escorts, close air support, you name it. If the army hand a need for it, they would configure the plane for it's role and send it into missions. Mosquito was very versatile and easy to build with wood (since metal and aluminium was scarce for the Brits), plus it's performance was better than most aircraft at it's introduction for it's size. Dogfighting might be the only role this plane could not perform well.
@@williambohn4082 tbh idk whats worse. One exchanged 2 groups of SAS and insurgent forces trough a Kid and a mother. Basicly trying to rewrite History. Then when pointed out dice called their Fans sexists and such. Meanwhile vanguard just plays in a Fantasy World.
I'd like to point out that holographic sights did exist, just not on that scale. They were used in aircraft for the most part due to the batteries being massive
@@shukes4645 they never exist those seen in games CoD vanguard and this Battlefield only footage of giant Night vision scope in Stg44 they say the color of night vision is red
@@DTfishing07 you could have a healthy mix though like don’t frame the mission in 1945 when Germany was on the retreat and had no chance of winning the story would be slightly different but it could work especially well during Operation Barbarossa
@@DTfishing07 Then do the Battle of the Bulge or something that could work too because then they’d actually be on the offensive and have a reason to exit the tank
T34 Calliopes were used in combat during WW2 but they were used more in the rocket artillery role before acting like a normal Sherman and supporting the infantry. The rockets they have are HE so against a Tiger it wouldn't do much and they also wouldn't be in a city like this while still having rockets.
And if for some odd reason they did have rockets in a city, they would never have fielded as many as Battlefield V portrays, probably only 1 or 2 per 6 or so normal Sherman tanks.
@@andrewtibbetts2695 They actually had an entire 3 battalions. But they were never stationed in a city. They were only ever used in flat plains and hills. Nowhere else.
Tbh, I like the character development. I able to sympathize with muller, kerz and the stupid boy. But yeah, the inaccuracies make me laugh when I tried to feel the character, specially the last one when we see a bunch of junkers bombing his own city lol
@@ahmadhadi177 German tanks always needed full crew to function well and they did up until end of the war unless they had losses itch they could not replace
The Tiger moving and firing with the commander looking out of his hatch is actually one of the few things in this mission being possible. The Tiger (like many other tanks then and now) have a crew member for each role: Driver, Radio operator (missing throughout the mission, but actually the most expandable/replacable. Here the Loader and later Gunner stop-gap fill that position when necessary), Loader, Gunner, Commander. Driver drives, Loader and Gunner operate the cannon, Commander coordinates. And the Gunner can even take on the role of the Loader, too, as happens later on after they sent the poor bastard on a scouting mission which he doesn't return from. Hell, a tank can work on just a skeleton crew of only Driver and Gunner to make it move and shoot.
0:25 The gunners sight is actually very close. The only things missing are that the scale on the right should have "8.8 cm curving around (from around the 1800m to around the 2500m marks in length) and MG on the other (around the 800m mark). The maximum values are even correct at 4000m from the 8.8cm and 1200m for the MG.
Honestly I forgave this campaigns flaws solely for the reason that I never was able to play an fps story from the german perspective. It was interesting, working your ass off even knowing that you're going to fail
Yeah it was a damm shame that we didn't get to play as the germans in bf1. The story is about how war isnt good for either side and we are all just humans so yeah
The Caliope tanks were used in combat, though once they fired all 60 of their rockets, the wooden superstructure would be detached and discarded. It was then just an M4A3(I think A3) Sherman without the top-mounted machine gun.
It was a support vehicle that served as mobile rocket artillery and not a front line tank. The use in this game is incorrect, they would not be used that close in that manner.
@@1upproductions423he stories good but for me at least it takes me out when a 75mm Sherman pens a tiger from the front then tanks a shot from an 88 and when 100 Calliopes come outta no where and the fact there’s even a tiger on the offensive is literally insane because if they were in Germany it would probably be in a defensive position
@@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194 I don't think the story makes sense he's clearly High ranked meaning he's been in the Army and seen a lot of things how did he just realized how awful the German Army is. there is high possibility this guy has seen far worse things back in his time
I mean, they bouild comparable amount of pather (6k) to Pz IV (8k), however Panzer IV were more versatile and usable, while panters were mostly at astern front and they tried to use them out of cities, to make advantage of their armor and speed with agility.
I've always personally found it weird that very few, if any, M4A3E8s were featured in the mission. The majority, or near entirety, of the Shermans shown were standard M4A3s with the original M4 turret and the 75mm M3 gun which was only a threat to the Tiger 1 within 100m frontally or from about 500m on the sides and rear. By the end of the war M4A3E8s were present in equal if not greater numbers to Shermans armed with the 75mm. I am also personally extraordinarily disappointed at the fact they never added the M26 Pershing. Though if the M26 was available in multiplayer it would be a balancing nightmare, I'm not sure if they actually model the armor or penetration realistically but the M26 was a monster and really only notably frontally vulnerable to the KwK43 "Long 88" (Tiger 2's gun) and above. The KwK36 "Short 88" (Tiger 1's gun) struggled immensely against the frontal armor and by comparison the 90mm M3 could slam straight through the thickest armor anywhere on a Tiger 1 at rather considerable range. So if the M26 Pershing was realistically added to the game it would unironically ruin balance. So while I'm disappointed it didn't make it, it's understandable I guess. Upon rewatching the video closely, I spotted exactly 1 M4A3E8 around the 9:19 mark (and one more at 11:46 more for spectacle). I think it's obligatory to mention that the M1A2 76mm High Velocity Cannon could reliably penetrate the front of a Tiger 1 out to 900m with standard AP and well out past 1km with HVAP. There was almost no chance that anything this tank fired at the Tiger 1 that wouldn't penetrate cleanly and a penetration by an enemy tank means the tank is down, a few suicidal crewmen may stay in the tank in an attempt to take the enemy with them but any sane crew is bailing and running for their lives if said penetrating shell didn't kill them all by detonating the ammunition.
Those weren't E8s, they were just M4A3 76s. If you look at the return rollers (top road wheels) there are three which indicates it uses VVSS and not HVSS.
Ya know, I'm gonna be honest....... when you say something like "That's a friendly tank down there" adding "I think" after a brief pause uh......... probably doesn't give your crew great confidence LOL. EDIT: Also, as an aviation geek, I feel I have to correct you, the aircraft divebombing you was not a JU-88, it was in fact a DeHaviland Mosquito, also known as the Balsa Bomber, due to being made mostly of wood. It was actually a phenomenal aircraft though, the first real fighter bomber.
calliope was strictly ranged area denial/ bombardment, youd NEVER get one within 500 meters of combat firing its rockets, must be the tiger commander from fury commanding it
All these jokers in the comments saying the Calliope was used for psychological warfare... the stuff amateur historians pull out of their ass these days, I swear. Maybe it had theoretical use as a scare tactic, but no military adopts and fields a piece of equipment purely because it 'scares' the enemy. The Jericho siren being the exception to the rule (iirc they were removed from most Ju-87's after a certain point in the war).
@@michaelmikeymike0015 Then those same people will pull up every single example of stuff adopted solely because it scared the enemy, demoralized or etc. You can't win. You are right about the Jericho Trumpets. Most Luftwaffe pilots removed them because they got annoying, and gave it away even more when they were diving. I think Stukas were loud as is when diving.
7:51 at this stage in the war the Germans were running out of people so all soldiers were experts at everything. They were also all hopped up on the magic chocolate.
This would also explain the lack of Panthers, not that Germany would have many to begin with, but in 1945 they wouldn't have had many that were fully operational left. Granted, a Panther not being fully operational never stopped the Germans from trying to use it.
Ah yes, conscripts or soldiers with little training before being sent to the front being experts at everything. Must have missed that 3am-History Channel episode.
One thing that ticked me off about this campaign is portraying the Shermans as "quantity over quality" when in reality, though numerous, the Sherman was one of (if not the best) tanks of the war. I think portraying it as some useless metal box in this campaign is quite disrespectful towards those who actually served in the Sherman.
I agree. Despite them having been designed with mass production in mind, they did perform reasonably well. And when they got outgunned, upgraded models were deployed. It's comparable, in a way, to how some people hail the T-34 for its effectiveness and that tank also had similar "mass produced" design and quality.
I still remember the whole "historically accurate BFV" fiasco where DICE responded by going "nah we're not trying to be historic don't like don't buy" then in the intro for this mission they go "HEY, HISTORIC FACTOID, 5 SHERMANS FOR 1 TIGER AMIRITE"
Regardless, the important thing for me is the message it's trying to convey. The feeling, the emotion and everything. With us being in the pov of the germans is just a cherry on the top.
T34 Calliopes were used by various Armored Divisions but they weren’t used as much as people would think as they could also be used as psychological warfare because the sound of the rockets would often scare enemy soldiers. If you want to look at it in terms of effectiveness it was terrible and only good for the noise the rockets made since rocket artillery was popular at the time.
the launchers (calliope) were subsequently removed and not reinstalled on tanks until February 1945 with General Patton's army. In March 1945, when Patton's army was pushing through the Saarland in western Germany, the launchers did manage to see some usage in armored divisions, so they were used, but only 30 were made
Seeing you play Company of Hero’s could be a lot of fun, good platform for a little bit of real tactics. Shock Force 2 could be another but the game I hear has a million things you have to learn.
The tiger had 5 crewmen, not. (Because you thought the commander needs to shoot) Gunner, driver, radio operator / machine gunner, loader, and the commander who just commands.
There were 5 crew members in a Tiger tank. The gunner was controlling the turret while your tank commander was standing out of the commander's cupola. The radio operator was firing the bow mg and sits next to the driver.
The calliope were used extensively late into the war but not that close. They acted as mobile rocket artillery. And artillery guns looked like a mash between a French 155mm howitzer and a German gun. You'll never bring towed artillery into urban areas like that.
Caliope were used by the americans based on my belief since 1944-1945 and were used mostly on the pacific front against the japanese, but there is some that saw on the western front.
This varies depending on which historian you ask, but generally the opinion is that Calliopes never demonstrated their full potential. They never saw direct-fire combat, and were treated more as artillery pieces. Crews were hesitant to take them into combat because the launchers made escaping the turret very difficult...
So the Tiger has 5 crew in total and 3 in the turret, at 4:58 you asked who was controlling the gun and that would be the gunner, the guy that pops out of the tank is the commander and all he does is spot tanks and give orders, the gunner can also control the turret movement and machine gun in the turret. Also At 5:30 you asked who was controlling the bow gun and that would be the machine gunner who was on the right of the driver. Go check War Thunder tiger, preview it, then go to x-ray mode to see the layout of the tiger (No need to unlock tanks to preview them).
I'm aware of how many crew the Tiger is supposed to have. I even talked about it but had to cut it due to time. If you watch the opening cinematic, you'll understand that the tank starts off undercrewed and they just got a replacement loader. The same loader that deserts the tank after being sent out to scout for enemies. Hence, the tank goes from a crew of 4, down to a crew of 3. They didn't have a bow gunner to begin with. So, with the commander operating open hatch, there's either nobody loading or nobody operating the gunner station. Can't have both. That's where the whole issue is.
@@PanzerPaw Hartman was the Loader and Substitute Radio Operator, Schröder was the new recruit and Gunner, Kertz was the Driver, Peter was the Commander. Hartman deserted not Schröder.
@@PanzerPaw They still have a Commander, Gunner, and Driver. I dont know where you're getting confused. The loader deserts but they still have the gunner. And when the gunner isnt firing he can still easily load the 88 from the ready racks on the side of the tank.
@@PanzerPaw I think the Scroder would simply alternate between firing and loading....as it could be done, just not at the rate in game, in reality it'd probably take 15-30 seconds, maybe a minute, for a gunner to fire, move, load next shell, move back to gunner post, and fire. I think it'd be neat if you suffer some kind of loading time penalty after Hartmann deserts, but it's still plausible for the tiger to operate with 3 people, with the crews being overworked.
also at around 4:00 you asked: 'can someone in the comments tell me if the caliope was actually used' and it wasn't really (it was supposed to be used during the D-day offensive but they didnt want to run the risk of calliope's falling over during transport, it later saw limited action in 1945 in the italian front and during the saarland campaign) , the rocket racks designed for the calliope was eventually used on special ground support craft, where they saw mass adoption.
tigers have 5 crew 2 fornt 3 turret if i remember correctly and the guy popping out is the commander. The gunner is the one rotating the turret if the commander is outside. And as someone else already pointed out the tiger in the mission doesnt have a assistant driver.
Not sure if saying this is enough for someone to call me a “Wehraboo” but the sentence in the loading screen that says “gErMaNy oNlY mAdE 1,350 tIgErS wHıLe aMeRiCa,cOnsTrUcTed 50,000 sHeRmAnS.” gives me some serious headaches. Idk why people acts like Tiger I was Germany’s only tank during the war.In fact,it was less than 3% of the entire German tank,tank destroyer and assault gun arsenal. It was an over-engineered,expensive to build and maintain heavy breakthrough tank used in relatively smaller numbers.It was never meant to be Germany’s most important tank during the war unlike what some kids claim.
It's sort of hard to take into consideration *difficulty of enemies* when you're playing one of the easiest difficulties... (on Veteran your tank can't even take 3 hits. This was the same issue in BF1. You spent WAY more time pulling current-generation tactics of long-range fire).... Also, Veteran tended to keep you under constant fire, no time to repair.
The Battle of Cologne wasn't on such a massive scale. And the tanks that were deployed by the Germans were just three Panthers. This is also the first time in which an American Pershing got its first tank kill on one of those Panthers. The Cathedral in Cologne was still intact (its actually one of the marvels of WWII in that it took 26 direct hits from bombing runs and still remained standing and whole, a testament to the architects of the Medieval period), it wasn't a morass of ruins. The Panthers WERE informed to do as much as they could to buy time for the engineers to set up explosives on the bridges. But it was a one way ticket, and they understood that. There was no getting back across with their armor. There were, also, still some civilians in the city, unable (or unwilling) to leave. Its interesting how BFV had almost 10 years of WWII history to work with, and a plethora of true stories to bring to light. And instead fabricated 4 and made a mockery of the true events that they were "inspired" by.
Tank crews are usually trained to operate with at least one crew member knocked out. Depending on the layout of the tank, different crew members would replace the roles of the one knocked out. So, you could have the commander replacing the gunner or the loader. But at that point, it's less about staying in the fight and more trying to get away from it and surviving instead.
The artillery pieces seen in the beginning were German 21cm Mörser 18s. Don't know why Americans would be using them, especially at close range. Usually those guns were used for remarkably long distance shelling. If anything Americans would be using 155mm "Long Toms".
There's a crew of 5, gunner, loader (operates the turret mg), driver, commander, radio operator (controls hull gun) mostly early war tanks had the commander operate the main gun such as the pz2 or the t-60
15:21 The kid didn't shoot you, because the sound played is the sound of a m3 submachine gun better known as the grease gun. So actually the americans shot the kid before he had the chance to shoot you.
Just like to point out the planes dive-bombing are mosquitoes not ju88 you can tell if you look at a picture because a ju88 has a much thinner fuselage than the mosquito
The recoil on that Tiger is too much, although the gun shoots very heavy rounds and the recoil is very strong, on such a giant heavy tank it would affect it almost like a recoil less rifle would do. Then who uses the cannon and machinegun: The gunner has control of the coaxial machinegun and the cannon, they aim together just that you have a trigger for the machinegun and another for the cannon. In this game tanks work like you just are the commander and it's too arcade. Basically battlefield is not made for using tanks, it's just so unrealistic that it becomes hard to use. Also, Tiger tank had much higher speeds, just that the acceleration gets reduced as you switch to higher gears. And it makes no sense for the commander to even think about sticking his head out of the tank or even opening the hatch, that should be used only for entering and exiting the vehicle or using your binoculars when there are no enemies around or letting in some fresh air, but again only when there's no danger
I think the thing that doesn't make sense about The Last Tiger is Muller's character being inconsistent, he alternates being unable to make decisions and letting his subordinates push him around such as when Schroeder tells him to let Hartmann go out and scout when he could do it himself (and being the tank commander, it is his job to do it, or maybe Muller can ask Schroeder or Kertz to go with him), but then in the next scenes Muller goes out and does tasks himself on multiple occassions. It might be some kind of representation of Muller's personality and decision making skill developing from when he was first a Tank Commander from 1943, perhaps he was a bit timid, but grew to be more responsible, but it's all compressed into a single day in 1945. If say, the Tiger story spans from 1943 - which is plausible since in BF1, war stories spanned a much longer time period and more locations with multiple missions per story instead of 1 long segmented mission like in BFV, perhaps it was cut or changed early in development - then this would make a bit more sense storytelling and personality wise if it happened earlier in the war instead of all in a single day.
this stage of the war all you would see are panzer ivs and stugs with a handful of panthers and tigers strewn about. stug and panzer iv were the most common tanks at this stage of the war in the german arsenal. just not in game depictions lol
Caliopies were only really a concept, with a few being used more in Normandy France 1944. I doubt that there would have been any in Berlin, and they certainly wouldn't be very accurate.
the artillery at 3:40 are not American, those look like German artillery, could be decoys tho cause allies didn't really use German equipment unless it was really necessary due to lack of ammo and parts, I mean look at the 2 panthers the British and the Canadians used, one was abandoned cause it couldn't cross a bridge built for shermans and the other broke a fuel pump and couldn't be replaced the Soviets also used captured equipment but that's due to them also taking the time to tow captured guns and vehicles back to "vehicle lots" to be repaired or just to get them out of the way (I'm not entirely sure), Germany did the same thing and we've seen many examples of "Beutapanzer's" being used by many german units, although it was not encouraged due to the high risk of friendly fire
3:41 That is most likely a Kannone 18, dosen't seem like it could be anything else, also shoulder launching the panzerfaust is accurate, probably not as common with German troops but the finns used it exclusively AFAIK
@@grootsyt Here’s a metric I can give you 8.8 cm KwK 36 gun of the Tiger has rounds that go 780 meters per second, or 2,600 feet per second, when fired The Sherman Firefly that you play in CoD WW2 has the QF 17pdr cannon, and it fires rounds that go 1,200 meters per second, or 3,950 feet per second If one thing makes sense in this mission it’s that the Tiger is well capable of destroying all of the enemy Sherman tanks in the game and in real life CoD WW2 doesn’t when a tank shell that travels at more than 3 times the speed of sound can’t penetrate paper Pz. IV armor (around 80mms of armor on the hull front)
Since a lot of people are confused about this too: The tank starts with 4 crew members, not the maximum of 5. There's no radio operator/machine gunner in the hull at the start. The loader later dismounts and deserts them, leaving the tank with a crew of 3. With the commander staying outside of the hatch half the time and there only being a gunner left in the turret, the gun either shouldn't be moving or reloading. Can't have both.
Bro... it's a video game not real life 2. It's going to have issues like this because it's supposed to make the game more playable not more realistic because if it was realistic it would not be fun at all.
@@aarontheamazing1985 But there are games out there that are realistic and fun, post scriptum, hell let loose and squad just to name a few.
It's not the same for battlefield though The game was invented to have an arcade-like first person shooter style.
@@aarontheamazing1985but at least why it usa not soviet that attack berlin
@@keeratijirananutwinyu8339 both the Soviets and Americans invaded Berlin
8:34 those are Mosquitoes. British 2 engine attacker aircraft. They made entirely out of wood and built for Anti Ship and Anti Armor. There was one Mosquito equipped with a 6pdr gun used for taking out U-Boats but there were some instances were they were used to take out German armor. The plane was produced all the way up until 1950.
*almost entirely wood
also it was mainly designed as a fighter-bomber
@@SweetSniper5197 the Mosquitoes filled up plenty of roles, from recon to "special deliveries" (by parachuting small containers), bomber formation leaders, bombing, patrolling, submarine hunters, escorts, close air support, you name it. If the army hand a need for it, they would configure the plane for it's role and send it into missions. Mosquito was very versatile and easy to build with wood (since metal and aluminium was scarce for the Brits), plus it's performance was better than most aircraft at it's introduction for it's size. Dogfighting might be the only role this plane could not perform well.
EA be like: our game is 100% accurate with it's history
The game: a bunch of rockets and planes diving for no reason
Hey come now at least BFV is more historically accurate then COD vanguard campaign could ever be
@@williambohn4082 that do be true
@@williambohn4082 That's not a very high bar.
@@Chopstorm. your right but it's true tho
@@williambohn4082 tbh idk whats worse. One exchanged 2 groups of SAS and insurgent forces trough a Kid and a mother. Basicly trying to rewrite History. Then when pointed out dice called their Fans sexists and such.
Meanwhile vanguard just plays in a Fantasy World.
I'd like to point out that holographic sights did exist, just not on that scale. They were used in aircraft for the most part due to the batteries being massive
I was definitely only referring to holographics and collimators on infantry weapons in that context.
pretty sure they were called reflector sights and holographic sights didn't exist
@@shukes4645 Exept for giant night vision use in MP/Stg44
@@reinjocastaneda8759 were those holographic sights?
@@shukes4645 they never exist those seen in games CoD vanguard and this Battlefield only footage of giant Night vision scope in Stg44 they say the color of night vision is red
I like how the dive bombers even tho not stukas still have the siren is definitely accurate
Nah, those werent Stuka sirens, that was just propeller noise.
Well, some of them were.
at least some ingame sounds were correct, heres what it really sounds like when a mosquito dives right at you th-cam.com/video/2qYU1RYGgy8/w-d-xo.html
There is a common theme with these battlefield missions they get out the tank for no reason
Especially at this point in the war what does it matter if it’s immobile Germany almost never went on the offensive at that point
You're forgetting, it's a game. It's supposed to be enjoyable, not painfully realistic
@@DTfishing07 you could have a healthy mix though like don’t frame the mission in 1945 when Germany was on the retreat and had no chance of winning the story would be slightly different but it could work especially well during Operation Barbarossa
@@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194 for a game with no eastern front factions an eastern front mission wouldn't fit very well
@@DTfishing07 Then do the Battle of the Bulge or something that could work too because then they’d actually be on the offensive and have a reason to exit the tank
T34 Calliopes were used in combat during WW2 but they were used more in the rocket artillery role before acting like a normal Sherman and supporting the infantry. The rockets they have are HE so against a Tiger it wouldn't do much and they also wouldn't be in a city like this while still having rockets.
114mm HE is enough to disable a Tiger, even if it doesn’t kill it outright.
And if for some odd reason they did have rockets in a city, they would never have fielded as many as Battlefield V portrays, probably only 1 or 2 per 6 or so normal Sherman tanks.
@@andrewtibbetts2695
They actually had an entire 3 battalions. But they were never stationed in a city. They were only ever used in flat plains and hills. Nowhere else.
Why would they ever face a Tiger? Tigers were rare. Why wouldn't they be able to do anything against a Tiger? Real life isn't War Thunder.
@@Fiddleshtick RP-3s can't do anything other then track a tiger and maybe damage the engine and light a fire.
The lone tiger mission may make not much sense but it's a first of its kind because your playing from the Germans pov and not just the allies pov
And if you do all the tasks you get a nice camo to use on the tiger
@@johneurich8747 nice
Tbh, I like the character development. I able to sympathize with muller, kerz and the stupid boy. But yeah, the inaccuracies make me laugh when I tried to feel the character, specially the last one when we see a bunch of junkers bombing his own city lol
BFV campaigns are bullshit this campaign even copied FURY at the end
@@blitzmaniak4336 ok
5:31 there were four total crewman. The gunner was schrodinger and the loader was the scared young kid.
They just didn’t have a assistant driver.
Considering Germany's situation in 1945,it kinda make sense why there aren't enough crewmen to crew the Tiger Tank.
I mean you don't need the assistant driver. He just operates the hull coax and the radio.
@@jedinight235 they are not assistant driver they were the radio operators.
@@ahmadhadi177 German tanks always needed full crew to function well and they did up until end of the war unless they had losses itch they could not replace
The Tiger moving and firing with the commander looking out of his hatch is actually one of the few things in this mission being possible.
The Tiger (like many other tanks then and now) have a crew member for each role: Driver, Radio operator (missing throughout the mission, but actually the most expandable/replacable. Here the Loader and later Gunner stop-gap fill that position when necessary), Loader, Gunner, Commander.
Driver drives, Loader and Gunner operate the cannon, Commander coordinates.
And the Gunner can even take on the role of the Loader, too, as happens later on after they sent the poor bastard on a scouting mission which he doesn't return from.
Hell, a tank can work on just a skeleton crew of only Driver and Gunner to make it move and shoot.
0:25 The gunners sight is actually very close. The only things missing are that the scale on the right should have "8.8 cm curving around (from around the 1800m to around the 2500m marks in length) and MG on the other (around the 800m mark). The maximum values are even correct at 4000m from the 8.8cm and 1200m for the MG.
Regarding the tank operating while the commander is hatch up. He was obviously using a broom stick to control it (like Mr.Bean)
The gun was operated by the gunner
@Jacky138 hartman was the loader, shrödder was the gunner, this was shown at start when hartmann tried to lift an empty shell but was in shell shock.
Honestly I forgave this campaigns flaws solely for the reason that I never was able to play an fps story from the german perspective. It was interesting, working your ass off even knowing that you're going to fail
Yeah it was a damm shame that we didn't get to play as the germans in bf1. The story is about how war isnt good for either side and we are all just humans so yeah
The Caliope tanks were used in combat, though once they fired all 60 of their rockets, the wooden superstructure would be detached and discarded. It was then just an M4A3(I think A3) Sherman without the top-mounted machine gun.
Yea it was mostly M4A3s M4A2s and M4A4s (sometimes the “M4” version)
It was a support vehicle that served as mobile rocket artillery and not a front line tank. The use in this game is incorrect, they would not be used that close in that manner.
@Chris. it's still a tank with rockets straped on at the end of day, better then no tank
He played the Mission but He didn't feel it...
So true...
yeah I was hoping this video would be good
Nah the story is pretty goofy
@@1upproductions423he stories good but for me at least it takes me out when a 75mm Sherman pens a tiger from the front then tanks a shot from an 88 and when 100 Calliopes come outta no where and the fact there’s even a tiger on the offensive is literally insane because if they were in Germany it would probably be in a defensive position
@@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194 I don't think the story makes sense he's clearly High ranked meaning he's been in the Army and seen a lot of things how did he just realized how awful the German Army is. there is high possibility this guy has seen far worse things back in his time
I have played this mission many times and I believe that the planes were not ju88 but brittish mosquitoes
I mean, they bouild comparable amount of pather (6k) to Pz IV (8k), however Panzer IV were more versatile and usable, while panters were mostly at astern front and they tried to use them out of cities, to make advantage of their armor and speed with agility.
I've always personally found it weird that very few, if any, M4A3E8s were featured in the mission. The majority, or near entirety, of the Shermans shown were standard M4A3s with the original M4 turret and the 75mm M3 gun which was only a threat to the Tiger 1 within 100m frontally or from about 500m on the sides and rear. By the end of the war M4A3E8s were present in equal if not greater numbers to Shermans armed with the 75mm. I am also personally extraordinarily disappointed at the fact they never added the M26 Pershing.
Though if the M26 was available in multiplayer it would be a balancing nightmare, I'm not sure if they actually model the armor or penetration realistically but the M26 was a monster and really only notably frontally vulnerable to the KwK43 "Long 88" (Tiger 2's gun) and above. The KwK36 "Short 88" (Tiger 1's gun) struggled immensely against the frontal armor and by comparison the 90mm M3 could slam straight through the thickest armor anywhere on a Tiger 1 at rather considerable range. So if the M26 Pershing was realistically added to the game it would unironically ruin balance. So while I'm disappointed it didn't make it, it's understandable I guess.
Upon rewatching the video closely, I spotted exactly 1 M4A3E8 around the 9:19 mark (and one more at 11:46 more for spectacle). I think it's obligatory to mention that the M1A2 76mm High Velocity Cannon could reliably penetrate the front of a Tiger 1 out to 900m with standard AP and well out past 1km with HVAP. There was almost no chance that anything this tank fired at the Tiger 1 that wouldn't penetrate cleanly and a penetration by an enemy tank means the tank is down, a few suicidal crewmen may stay in the tank in an attempt to take the enemy with them but any sane crew is bailing and running for their lives if said penetrating shell didn't kill them all by detonating the ammunition.
Those weren't E8s, they were just M4A3 76s. If you look at the return rollers (top road wheels) there are three which indicates it uses VVSS and not HVSS.
It's disappointing. This game had so much potential with an eastern front DLC being planned, but it was cancelled for work on 2042
Ya know, I'm gonna be honest....... when you say something like "That's a friendly tank down there" adding "I think" after a brief pause uh......... probably doesn't give your crew great confidence LOL.
EDIT: Also, as an aviation geek, I feel I have to correct you, the aircraft divebombing you was not a JU-88, it was in fact a DeHaviland Mosquito, also known as the Balsa Bomber, due to being made mostly of wood. It was actually a phenomenal aircraft though, the first real fighter bomber.
calliope was strictly ranged area denial/ bombardment, youd NEVER get one within 500 meters of combat firing its rockets, must be the tiger commander from fury commanding it
All these jokers in the comments saying the Calliope was used for psychological warfare... the stuff amateur historians pull out of their ass these days, I swear. Maybe it had theoretical use as a scare tactic, but no military adopts and fields a piece of equipment purely because it 'scares' the enemy. The Jericho siren being the exception to the rule (iirc they were removed from most Ju-87's after a certain point in the war).
@@michaelmikeymike0015 Then those same people will pull up every single example of stuff adopted solely because it scared the enemy, demoralized or etc. You can't win.
You are right about the Jericho Trumpets. Most Luftwaffe pilots removed them because they got annoying, and gave it away even more when they were diving. I think Stukas were loud as is when diving.
7:51 at this stage in the war the Germans were running out of people so all soldiers were experts at everything. They were also all hopped up on the magic chocolate.
...am I experiencing a swoosh moment...
This would also explain the lack of Panthers, not that Germany would have many to begin with, but in 1945 they wouldn't have had many that were fully operational left. Granted, a Panther not being fully operational never stopped the Germans from trying to use it.
Ah yes, conscripts or soldiers with little training before being sent to the front being experts at everything. Must have missed that 3am-History Channel episode.
"experts at everything" meaning experts at nothing, children and old people with 0 training. Also "magic chocolate" where tf did you get that from
@@nondescripthandle212 magic chocolate = meth or cocaine mixed with chocolate
One thing that ticked me off about this campaign is portraying the Shermans as "quantity over quality" when in reality, though numerous, the Sherman was one of (if not the best) tanks of the war. I think portraying it as some useless metal box in this campaign is quite disrespectful towards those who actually served in the Sherman.
I agree. Despite them having been designed with mass production in mind, they did perform reasonably well. And when they got outgunned, upgraded models were deployed. It's comparable, in a way, to how some people hail the T-34 for its effectiveness and that tank also had similar "mass produced" design and quality.
I still remember the whole "historically accurate BFV" fiasco where DICE responded by going "nah we're not trying to be historic don't like don't buy"
then in the intro for this mission they go "HEY, HISTORIC FACTOID, 5 SHERMANS FOR 1 TIGER AMIRITE"
Regardless, the important thing for me is the message it's trying to convey. The feeling, the emotion and everything. With us being in the pov of the germans is just a cherry on the top.
The artillery guns are 21CM morsers. German heavy guns that would never be in a city like that.
T34 Calliopes were used by various Armored Divisions but they weren’t used as much as people would think as they could also be used as psychological warfare because the sound of the rockets would often scare enemy soldiers. If you want to look at it in terms of effectiveness it was terrible and only good for the noise the rockets made since rocket artillery was popular at the time.
4:52, are those..? Wellington bombers?! Why are they diving with those?
Not quite, those are actually de Havilland Mosquito's if you look close enough.
A Tiger H1 should easily one shot anything under a jumbo
the launchers (calliope) were subsequently removed and not reinstalled on tanks until February 1945 with General Patton's army. In March 1945, when Patton's army was pushing through the Saarland in western Germany, the launchers did manage to see some usage in armored divisions, so they were used, but only 30 were made
The Rocket Launcher T34 was a tank-mounted multiple rocket launcher used by the United States Army during World War II.
I liked Battlefield 1 way more than Battlefield 5. It had better stories and was about World War 1 which made it more unique.
Seeing you play Company of Hero’s could be a lot of fun, good platform for a little bit of real tactics. Shock Force 2 could be another but the game I hear has a million things you have to learn.
They should've based the mission around the famous Panther in Cologne instead of a Tiger that would have been obsolete by this point in the war.
Panthers not in the game unfortunately
The tiger had 5 crewmen, not.
(Because you thought the commander needs to shoot)
Gunner, driver, radio operator / machine gunner, loader, and the commander who just commands.
0:38 "ooh i blew up half of that building"
There were 5 crew members in a Tiger tank. The gunner was controlling the turret while your tank commander was standing out of the commander's cupola. The radio operator was firing the bow mg and sits next to the driver.
6:03 Wunderwaffe witchcraft
The calliope were used extensively late into the war but not that close. They acted as mobile rocket artillery. And artillery guns looked like a mash between a French 155mm howitzer and a German gun. You'll never bring towed artillery into urban areas like that.
Depends. Once we got to Berlin, it was flak 88s, 36s and pak 40s in dayum near every street.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow pak40 was easy to conceal and useful against the flood of Soviet tanks though
Caliope were used by the americans based on my belief since 1944-1945 and were used mostly on the pacific front against the japanese, but there is some that saw on the western front.
I’ve been looking forward to this
My little green friend
(Or yellow friend)
The ending scene made me cry
Calliopes were used in combat, but they were more for psychological warfare, as the rockets were hard to aim.
This varies depending on which historian you ask, but generally the opinion is that Calliopes never demonstrated their full potential. They never saw direct-fire combat, and were treated more as artillery pieces. Crews were hesitant to take them into combat because the launchers made escaping the turret very difficult...
@@killakanzgaming
this is just what i found on wikipedia
So the Tiger has 5 crew in total and 3 in the turret, at 4:58 you asked who was controlling the gun and that would be the gunner, the guy that pops out of the tank is the commander and all he does is spot tanks and give orders, the gunner can also control the turret movement and machine gun in the turret. Also At 5:30 you asked who was controlling the bow gun and that would be the machine gunner who was on the right of the driver. Go check War Thunder tiger, preview it, then go to x-ray mode to see the layout of the tiger (No need to unlock tanks to preview them).
I'm aware of how many crew the Tiger is supposed to have. I even talked about it but had to cut it due to time. If you watch the opening cinematic, you'll understand that the tank starts off undercrewed and they just got a replacement loader. The same loader that deserts the tank after being sent out to scout for enemies. Hence, the tank goes from a crew of 4, down to a crew of 3. They didn't have a bow gunner to begin with. So, with the commander operating open hatch, there's either nobody loading or nobody operating the gunner station. Can't have both. That's where the whole issue is.
@@PanzerPaw Hartman was the Loader and Substitute Radio Operator, Schröder was the new recruit and Gunner, Kertz was the Driver, Peter was the Commander. Hartman deserted not Schröder.
@@PanzerPaw They still have a Commander, Gunner, and Driver. I dont know where you're getting confused. The loader deserts but they still have the gunner. And when the gunner isnt firing he can still easily load the 88 from the ready racks on the side of the tank.
@@PanzerPaw I think the Scroder would simply alternate between firing and loading....as it could be done, just not at the rate in game, in reality it'd probably take 15-30 seconds, maybe a minute, for a gunner to fire, move, load next shell, move back to gunner post, and fire. I think it'd be neat if you suffer some kind of loading time penalty after Hartmann deserts, but it's still plausible for the tiger to operate with 3 people, with the crews being overworked.
@@PanzerPaw Jeez understand the story before making a video
I can tell you for a fact that the US did not put artillery that close to the front.
at 8:00 that was a mosquitoe
also at around 4:00 you asked: 'can someone in the comments tell me if the caliope was actually used' and it wasn't really (it was supposed to be used during the D-day offensive but they didnt want to run the risk of calliope's falling over during transport, it later saw limited action in 1945 in the italian front and during the saarland campaign) , the rocket racks designed for the calliope was eventually used on special ground support craft, where they saw mass adoption.
@@fuckoff4705 they were used, although mainly as artillery and psychological warfare due to the sound they made.
The Sherman calliope was used but very limited
accurate? no
but i still find the relatively simple narrative compelling enough to drive me forwards
tigers have 5 crew 2 fornt 3 turret if i remember correctly and the guy popping out is the commander. The gunner is the one rotating the turret if the commander is outside. And as someone else already pointed out the tiger in the mission doesnt have a assistant driver.
Not sure if saying this is enough for someone to call me a “Wehraboo” but the sentence in the loading screen that says “gErMaNy oNlY mAdE 1,350 tIgErS wHıLe aMeRiCa,cOnsTrUcTed 50,000 sHeRmAnS.” gives me some serious headaches.
Idk why people acts like Tiger I was Germany’s only tank during the war.In fact,it was less than 3% of the entire German tank,tank destroyer and assault gun arsenal.
It was an over-engineered,expensive to build and maintain heavy breakthrough tank used in relatively smaller numbers.It was never meant to be Germany’s most important tank during the war unlike what some kids claim.
It's sort of hard to take into consideration *difficulty of enemies* when you're playing one of the easiest difficulties... (on Veteran your tank can't even take 3 hits. This was the same issue in BF1. You spent WAY more time pulling current-generation tactics of long-range fire).... Also, Veteran tended to keep you under constant fire, no time to repair.
An nomral Tiger had an crew of 5 people. One Gunner one Loader, the Driver, one machinegunner and an commander.
The Battle of Cologne wasn't on such a massive scale. And the tanks that were deployed by the Germans were just three Panthers. This is also the first time in which an American Pershing got its first tank kill on one of those Panthers. The Cathedral in Cologne was still intact (its actually one of the marvels of WWII in that it took 26 direct hits from bombing runs and still remained standing and whole, a testament to the architects of the Medieval period), it wasn't a morass of ruins.
The Panthers WERE informed to do as much as they could to buy time for the engineers to set up explosives on the bridges. But it was a one way ticket, and they understood that. There was no getting back across with their armor.
There were, also, still some civilians in the city, unable (or unwilling) to leave.
Its interesting how BFV had almost 10 years of WWII history to work with, and a plethora of true stories to bring to light.
And instead fabricated 4 and made a mockery of the true events that they were "inspired" by.
I'd like to ask if a tank could operate with a crew of 3, with the gunner/commander loading the gun.
Tank crews are usually trained to operate with at least one crew member knocked out. Depending on the layout of the tank, different crew members would replace the roles of the one knocked out. So, you could have the commander replacing the gunner or the loader. But at that point, it's less about staying in the fight and more trying to get away from it and surviving instead.
The fact he said " hey your out who is controlling the gun ? "
The tiger had a gunner , loader and commander.
There’s only a gunner driver and commander in this tiger though
The loader deserted and the radio man is dead
"Did the kid just shoot us?"
No. That wasn't an MP40 firing.
You can hear the MP40 sound as he shoots at the americans. And when he shoots Kurst.
The artillery pieces seen in the beginning were German 21cm Mörser 18s. Don't know why Americans would be using them, especially at close range. Usually those guns were used for remarkably long distance shelling. If anything Americans would be using 155mm "Long Toms".
There's a crew of 5,
gunner, loader (operates the turret mg), driver, commander, radio operator (controls hull gun)
mostly early war tanks had the commander operate the main gun such as the pz2 or the t-60
15:21 The kid didn't shoot you, because the sound played is the sound of a m3 submachine gun better known as the grease gun. So actually the americans shot the kid before he had the chance to shoot you.
The 2 rounds at the end sound more like a m3 Greece gun then a mp40
Than*
Not trying to be mean, just correcting.
I’m sure that all the weird stuff that you can do is purely for gameplay. Afterall BFV wasn’t ever meant to be a simulator
The last cutsceene was the best.
the rocket sherman was used and there where even several variations of it some with only two 4 or 8 rockets we used them more towards the end
Just like to point out the planes dive-bombing are mosquitoes not ju88 you can tell if you look at a picture because a ju88 has a much thinner fuselage than the mosquito
Bro just forgot about the 5 man crew and the flipping gunner
The last tiger was the only battlefield game that made me actually cry
Tiger tanks have 5 people in the crew, you being a commander yourself you would know the 5
Those are mosquitos.
"I can't see the objective because it's white text on a white background" yeah wtf! Who thought that was a good idea!?
The artillery is the German sH 18 17cm siege howitzer
5:11 the gunner is controlling the gun
Have you by any chance tested out and played the tanks in Rising Storm/Red Orchestra 2?
When Müller look's out the Tiger the "Richtschütze" move the gun
I forgot he died
7:30 I thought the older models had you hold it under arm but the newer model (and most likely the one you're holding) was over the shoulder
The recoil on that Tiger is too much, although the gun shoots very heavy rounds and the recoil is very strong, on such a giant heavy tank it would affect it almost like a recoil less rifle would do.
Then who uses the cannon and machinegun: The gunner has control of the coaxial machinegun and the cannon, they aim together just that you have a trigger for the machinegun and another for the cannon.
In this game tanks work like you just are the commander and it's too arcade.
Basically battlefield is not made for using tanks, it's just so unrealistic that it becomes hard to use.
Also, Tiger tank had much higher speeds, just that the acceleration gets reduced as you switch to higher gears.
And it makes no sense for the commander to even think about sticking his head out of the tank or even opening the hatch, that should be used only for entering and exiting the vehicle or using your binoculars when there are no enemies around or letting in some fresh air, but again only when there's no danger
I think the thing that doesn't make sense about The Last Tiger is Muller's character being inconsistent, he alternates being unable to make decisions and letting his subordinates push him around such as when Schroeder tells him to let Hartmann go out and scout when he could do it himself (and being the tank commander, it is his job to do it, or maybe Muller can ask Schroeder or Kertz to go with him), but then in the next scenes Muller goes out and does tasks himself on multiple occassions.
It might be some kind of representation of Muller's personality and decision making skill developing from when he was first a Tank Commander from 1943, perhaps he was a bit timid, but grew to be more responsible, but it's all compressed into a single day in 1945. If say, the Tiger story spans from 1943 - which is plausible since in BF1, war stories spanned a much longer time period and more locations with multiple missions per story instead of 1 long segmented mission like in BFV, perhaps it was cut or changed early in development - then this would make a bit more sense storytelling and personality wise if it happened earlier in the war instead of all in a single day.
This reminds me of Tiger Ace Of Black Baron (Michael Wittman)
The Last Tiger 131
The Tiger Ace 205
Both Got In Face To Face with British
Id love to see you play Gunner Heat PC!
I think the Aircraft were Mosquitos
Thats the commander popping out gunner still gunning then driver and loader
Now do the incredibly arcade tank mission in call of duty ghost.
this stage of the war all you would see are panzer ivs and stugs with a handful of panthers and tigers strewn about. stug and panzer iv were the most common tanks at this stage of the war in the german arsenal. just not in game depictions lol
HEY U TAKE THAT BACK ):
Isn't the person popping out of the turret the commander? If so, then the gunner controls the turret, so this makes sense.
The artillery guns are German 21cm Mörser 18
Doesn't jittery machinegun tracer come from cameras being shaken by running aircraft engines?
Looks weird when looking through a rifle scope.
Caliopies were only really a concept, with a few being used more in Normandy France 1944. I doubt that there would have been any in Berlin, and they certainly wouldn't be very accurate.
the artillery at 3:40 are not American, those look like German artillery, could be decoys tho cause allies didn't really use German equipment unless it was really necessary due to lack of ammo and parts, I mean look at the 2 panthers the British and the Canadians used, one was abandoned cause it couldn't cross a bridge built for shermans and the other broke a fuel pump and couldn't be replaced
the Soviets also used captured equipment but that's due to them also taking the time to tow captured guns and vehicles back to "vehicle lots" to be repaired or just to get them out of the way (I'm not entirely sure), Germany did the same thing and we've seen many examples of "Beutapanzer's" being used by many german units, although it was not encouraged due to the high risk of friendly fire
Those artillery guns were German 173mm guns captured by the allies
That was a mosquito, not a JU-88
For a Sherman there is a commander,main gunner,reloader,driver and machine gunner same for the tiger
Yes Calliopes were used extensively in Germany late war, especially in urban areas
Cod Vanguard VS battlefield 5 fighting over who can be most historically inaccurate
The background its from panzer war
the tiger has 5 crew the guy out the tank is a commander there is a nother guy the"gunner" for the gun
Can you play the tank mission in Call of Duty Ghost
3:41 That is most likely a Kannone 18, dosen't seem like it could be anything else, also shoulder launching the panzerfaust is accurate, probably not as common with German troops but the finns used it exclusively AFAIK
there is gunner in tnk (cnt write first lphbet letter)
Can you do a Arma 3 tank or command review cause you'll like it and you can play with friends but plz do an Arma 3 one thank you.
Those were mosquitoes not ju 88s.
damm the loader must be jacked af if he can reload that 88 in like 3 seconds also the sherman mission in cod ww2 was much better and more realistic.
Sherman Firefly with hard-hitting 17pdr gun has to flank a Pz. IV to penetrate it in that mission 💀
@@sidorovich4799 yeah but that made sense for the gameplay, nothing about this mission makes sense and it doesn't even play well
@@grootsyt Here’s a metric I can give you
8.8 cm KwK 36 gun of the Tiger has rounds that go 780 meters per second, or 2,600 feet per second, when fired
The Sherman Firefly that you play in CoD WW2 has the QF 17pdr cannon, and it fires rounds that go 1,200 meters per second, or 3,950 feet per second
If one thing makes sense in this mission it’s that the Tiger is well capable of destroying all of the enemy Sherman tanks in the game and in real life
CoD WW2 doesn’t when a tank shell that travels at more than 3 times the speed of sound can’t penetrate paper Pz. IV armor (around 80mms of armor on the hull front)
I just get "mobile game vibes" from this...