UPDATE: I have the new Legion Slim 5 (14"). Check out the review here: th-cam.com/video/rop_5YjPX-k/w-d-xo.html Hey everyone, long time no see. What's your experience been with Lenovo Legion laptops? I've been over multiple Reddit threads with people recounting their troubles with the dreaded micro stutter. If you're interested in more reviews like this, please let me know in the comments. Have a great day everyone. As promised, here are some other great reviews of the Lenovo Legion Slim 7i that are a bit more positive than mine: Jarrod's Tech: th-cam.com/video/6CkIpzTrlEQ/w-d-xo.html Tech Guy Beau: th-cam.com/video/0NoKYSpPiSQ/w-d-xo.html
So that is a 3.2K resolution. Now I know what you're thinking, I should have dropped it to 1440p or even 1080p right? Well I did that and the stuttering remained the same. On my Legion Slim 5 with a 4060 I can actually run it on a 4K monitor with DLSS on at close to 60FPS on medium. The Legion Slim 7i is capable of running the game at 3.2K with DLSS turned on, but at the time of the recording, I was having stuttering issues regardless of what resolution I ran the game at. Also, I took a quick look at your channel, you should post some more gaming vids! What are you playing these days?@@ChudGippity
@@Payne. O yeah it is nearly 4k u r right. I watched ur other video abt the AMD version. Sorry for that but some thing got scrambled in my brain . But in any case that is happening bc it was intel model your 7i slim it was I think.. The AMD especially with 7745hx models are way better. And yeah that GPU 4060 or 70 is 1080p chip but use that Ai checkbox for every mode bc u r using DLSS and FG I see u do not hate them lol or if u want to bump up resolution use external monitor. Ur native has to be with out stutter/maxed out so when u turn on dlss fsr fg they will do what they are made for . If the hardware is struggling on native it cannot give u more like u expect it is in need of POWER
Interesting. I have the AMD version of this laptop with the 4060 and it's been great so far. Great battery life, great screen, great performance, even the speakers are fairly loud. My only gripe is that the 99.9whr battery gets a bit warm when it is being charged.
@@Payne. what you have to do is to leave some space on ur ssd or use one for OS the other fill to 99.999% And stop blaming the hardware ! Or... GET URSELF A DESKTOP BC U EXPECT LAPTOPS TO RUN UR STUFF LIKE THEY ARE DESKTOPS U 🤡
Hi Payne, i Have Legion Slim 5, RTX 4060 version. i also had these micro stutter issue before, but after long search and try to tweak it here and there for almost a week I (think) found a solution. long story short, it was because the Windows 11 feature called GameBar and Game Mode. basically, it was because of program conflict between Lenovo Vantage Power management (and its bios) vs WIndows 11 gaming feature that glitching this optimization programs, resulting in unsynchronized frame processes. also i notice some black screen display bug after reboot if you clean install Nvidia GPU Driver. you should only express install it, since the OEM driver .dll from lenovo that tweak this display switching get erased if you do a clean install (you have to manually install the OEM again to undo this bug). but unfortunately, I have to return this laptop too because I have a defect keyboard and some weird sleep issue. otherwise a very good laptop build for working and gaming, while also it is the only gaming laptop on the market that don't scream gamers aesthetics, which hated by most of adult people.
hi, do you happen to come across a kink where i can install this OEM .dll file? i'd really love to know. or atleast what do i need to download? thanks.
I had the same problem first couple days with the laptop was getting very hot after I installed the last version of the Nvidia driver and the micro-stutters were even watching TH-cam that when I went to the processes in task manager, Nvidia Container was using a lot of the CPU every other second, I disabled it and all the micro-stutters were gone. Also, I installed the last version of the Intel's video driver and all videos problems that I was having in EDGE disappeared, so I decided to do a Clean installation of Windows 11 from USB, installed all the drivers including Nvidia from Lenovo and the latest from Intel's website and now the laptop is running like a dream. My two cents.
Your 2 cents is very valuable, I tried the same thing and while there was a slight improvement it didn't last long for me. I really thought it would work.
I have almost the exact same model, i9, 4070, etc. Only different screen, more RAM, and storage. I founda this video because I am having the same issue. I tried ALL power modes and it did not make a difference for me. The thing is I've had this laptop ever since it came out, about 4 months now, and did not have this issue before. It just started happening within the last couple of weeks or so, so I am sure it's a driver/firmware update. Ive noticed that it happens when I a not gaming, too. Within Windows, if I am just browsing around, or even watching YT, my mouse cursor, and the videos will micro stutter. A quick fix I found is to log out of Windows and log back in. That normally gets rid of the micro stutter for a day or two (your YMMV) until it comes back again. Then another log out/log back in gets me a couple more days until it happens again. I opened a ticket with Lenovo and they just sent the usual canned response (make sure your drivers up to date, etc. etc.). I hope this is fixed soon. I am certain it is not a hardware issue, since all of the sudden a lot of people just started noticing this within the last few weeks.
Another issue I noticed that started happening around the same time is my Thunderbolt 4 dock started acting up. Before, it used to just work. Now, it keeps connecting/discoonecting. I know the dock, and cables, work because I use the same setup between this lenovo, and my Macbook Pro. The Macbook Pro doesn't have any issues with it.
While I chose to return mine, I would happily buy it again if the issue could be resolved. Please keep me updated, I really hope you're able to resolve it for good. As a side note the Lenovo returns process was very easy.
@unknownsol0 This sounds like a latency issue with a process. Try running LatencyMon and see if you are in the green there. If not it will show the process that is the culprit. Try killing that process and see if it helps with micro stutter on YT and games.
I also had this issue and although I'm not as tech savvy as the majority of everyone on here, I noticed it went away after I updated my NVIDIA driver to version 546.17. I have the exact same laptop. I'm hoping this was the resolve to the micro stutters cause I was really bummed out when I ran into this issue when I first opened my laptop two weeks ago.
I bought this laptop for myself for Christmas, but I was going to wait until Christmas Day to open it. I guess I should open it now to see if I am having any of these issues. I got it from Best Buy open box for $1500. Looks like I might have to return this.
@davidk4082 I kept it. I love it. Keeping it in performance more solves all the laggy issues. I think this is an issue across all lenovo laptops. Also not all USB C chargers work. It didn't recognize half of them. I finally found a 100W Ankee adapter that works and I use that most of the time. For gaming you need to use the big brick adapter that is included.
@@Aimster2 what’s the point of the USB charger? Portability? Any other issues? I also ordered an open box excellent that’s coming in tomorrow. Fingers crossed that there’s nothing wrong with it! Thx for your response!
Yep i have seen a lot of reviews on lenovo site of people complaining about laptops stop working and stuff. I really wish these youtube reviewers were more honest about these lenovos.
I've used a lot of Lenovo laptops in the past and this was the only one that caused me real problems. Occasionally I run into faulty USB-C ports on X1s. Comments here are a mix of users experiencing the same problem as me, many don't though. I guess it's just luck of the draw. Do you have a gaming laptop?
Recently purchased the AMD/4060 version of this laptop. Have had no such issues. I have had an issue where i can no longer get below about 20-25w per hour of power usage on battery. When fresh out of the box, i could get 6-12w. I haven't been able to find yet what has caused me to lose half the battery runtime. I will likely try a fresh W11 install soon. The AMD version doesn't seem to have Adv. Optimus at all.
Just a word of warning on a fresh install of Windows 11, the drivers for WLAN most likely won't be detected. I USB tethered to my mobile to get back online.
The Power issues are likely related to the Nvidia GPU staying on in idle, also only the model that has the AMD + HDR screen doesn't have advanced optimus, the other screens have it
@@suschilegge1683 that's the only issue I have with it. And every now and then, it will do what it's supposed to. When that happens I've seen it report down to 6-8w of pwr cnsmpt. I can always tell, if it pulls 25w continuously then it will stay puking 25w. Still haven't found exactly what causes it. I have the 7840hs/4060/2560*1600 240hz model.
Hi Payne ! I’m from India…was planning to get this variant since it had excellent reviews & seems to be one among the best of 2023 models…went through your complete review & other people’s opinions on comment section regarding the stuttering & screen blackout issue…really pushed me into a dilemma regarding the purchase because the slim 7i is not available on Lenovo Indian website recently but it’s available on all Lenovo offline retail stores so it really scares me whether they are trying to push out all the defective stocks…I really wanted to know whether it’s jus a driver update glitch or a serious hardware issue ? I guess you can answer my question now because it’s been nearly couple of months since you posted the review so if it’s a update glitch I hope it would have rectified with a recent update else I’m assuming it would be a hardware problem. Hope you can let out an honest opinion ! Thanks in advance
I returned the 7i so I can't say for sure if the issue is resolved. I'd rely more on the comments of users who still own the laptop. What I will say is that there are more happy customers than frustrated ones...many of the people in the comments never experienced the issues I faced. I think it's worth buying and as long as Lenovo support is good where you live you'll be fine.
@@Payne. Thanks a lot for your response! The thing is I’ve been struck with a defective Alienware M15 R7 model twice (replaced model also defective)…it took me nearly 8months & still haven’t sorted out so that’s the reason I’m getting this slim 7i…really don’t wanted to get struck again with another defective model with a different issue…anywy I’m still in a dilemma…would be great if you could recommend any best alternative to Lenovo slim 7i ?
Hey i have the same issue in lies of p. It stutters like hell. I didn't have any stuttering issues on cyberpunk and lord of the fallen on balance. Stutters goes away in lies of p on performance mode.
@@Payne.2023 model it's i913900h 4060 model. I didn't have any stutters in cyberpunk. No stutters in lord of the fallen. Your forza horizon issue could be due to gsync. Someone I know had the same issue in that game. Disabling gync fixes it. Lies of p issue is not due to gsync. You can get smoother experience in lies of p by enabling performance mode ( actually it's not performance mode that does the trick. Its best performance power mode ( in setting) in setting that gets enabled in performance mode. You can enable best performance in balance mode manually. ) and capping fps. Unfortunately i can't rule out it's a hardware issue tbh because that guy who had same issue in forza horizon and lies of p got an replacement. He didn't play much after it's an shit laptop im stuck with
@Payne. I also had stuttering issue, the computer just needed a simple restart. The problem is that windows computer does not shutdown entirely when you "shutdown" in order to boost the reboot time. You need to click restart instead of shutdown under the power menu. Also, under task manager --> Performance --> CPU, you can check the Up time. This Up time does not reset on "shutdown", only if you shutdown completely or restart. It is most likely a software issue and somehow clogged up the system and needs regular reset and probably more frequently if high usage.
I wish that fixed my issue, but at the time of purchase I'd tried just about everything, including multiple reformats. There was either a dodgy NVIDIA driver update at the time I owned it or a hardware issue. I'm glad the reboot sorted yours out!
@@Payne. One other thing you can check is the RAM. It has one soldered and one removable. Take out the removable RAM and see if the stutter is still there. I had a defective slot and the RAM just doesn't fit snug like other laptop, or maybe they just poorly designed it and can cause issues. About the reboot part, it is just good to reboot at least once every 2 days if you're gaming to reset the laptop so it runs smoothly. Somewhere I read in comments that you picked up another Legion slim 5 or some other model? How did that go for you?
These are good tips, I only had a single 16gb stick in my model with the intention of upgrading, but I did try the other slot. I ended up with the Legion Slim 5, the video is here if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/rop_5YjPX-k/w-d-xo.html@@bentrades739
Glad to hear that the new laptop worked for you. Were you able to identify the causes of the stutter issue? From Slim 7i to Slim 5, the difference is really just the screen size and CPU. Not sure if the intel CPU was the culprit and AMD was better. Or perhaps some other unknown issue.@@Payne.
I definitely don't have that issue on my previous laptop or my Xbox Series X. It's a hard thing to show on TH-cam, in the Lies of P section it's very apparent but everywhere else it's more of a feeling. What laptop do you have?
I returned mine after 1 day, screen was gross, ips is gross, 2023 anything other than oled isn’t very good. I ended up settling on a mini led laptop because there aren’t many oled options with dedicated gpu.
@@mmm0513 MINI LED is IPS panel enchanced, OLED is completely different beast , higher is just AMOLED or general samsungs wide color gamut oleds . OLED CX PC gamer here
@@soldier9927 right, oled is better. Problem is there are almost no oled gaming laptops. The basically don’t make them. Best case right now for a gaming laptop is the mini led screens.
Personal rule of thumb: Never buy the "slim" versions of any good, non-slim product. Seriously. Buy a Legion 7 Pro and enjoy the hardware as it performs to its full potential. STOP buying "slim" stuff, those 5mm in thickness you'd be saving will come back to bite you in the @ss in ways you never thought possible.
I get it. There is a lot to be desired from the Slim models, particularly around the build quality. Almost no reviews mention this stuttering issue which leads me to believe I'm just one of the unlucky few.
Hi! I decided to return the laptop as I could never find a solution. Some people in the comments mentioned the issue is resolved as of a recent Nvidia driver update.
I literally just switched to a new computer because my pc was doing the same micro stutter and I just could not get it to work. I can spot it in the video because I’ve seen it first hand 😮 I wonder if it’s just a component of the laptop not working correctly and if you had another laptop of the same model that it’d be fine 🤔 Glad you delved into this, I do get a lot of questions from friends about what laptop they should buy so now I can let them know maybe it’s not this one haha You’ll need to make another video when you find one that you can recommend 😁😁😁
Hey Moose, congrats on the 2K subs, you're killing it! I'm pretty confident if I swapped this out with another one, I'd be fine. If I was to buy the same Slim 7i again, I'd definitely go for a Intel i7 to reduce the likelihood of thermal throttling. Did you build a desktop?
Great question, I've tried a variety of resolutions and it's all fairly inconsistent. I've even tried it on an external 4K monitor and some days it works fine and other days you get stutters. You'll notice people having similar issues in the comments, but there is a fair bit about this problem online as well. Do you own this laptop?
@@Payne. Most likely it's a driver issue especially that everyone has it the GPU and CPU get utilized just fine with the normal power usage. And yes I have this laptop but the AMD one and i don't seem to have any problem Edit: but I have a 1600p 240hz screen
I had a similar problem on Lenovo yoga slim 7 pro with rtx 3050. Helped completely remove all nvidia programs and reinstall the nvidia driver. it is important not to reinstall, you need to completely remove and install clean the nvidia game driver. Also I uninstalled Lenovo vantage. I hope this helps someone
Seems weird. I have a 2021 Legion 5 Pro and the only occasional stutter I get is in some open world games when the game is loading a new area. I usually use Auto mode with the frame rate pegged at 60 fps using vsync. Mainly because 60 fps seems like enough for most games and it keeps the temperatures and fan noise down. Plus I haven't noticed any significant performance increase when using Performance mode.
We have a number of people in the comments suggesting the Slim models struggle with stutter. Plenty out there that don't have the issue though. Are you happy with your 5 Pro?
You're never going to find a laptop that is flawless. In saying that please be aware this was the 2023 model, the 2024 model probably won't have the same issues. If this is the laptop you want I say buy it, id it has a fault that's what a warranty is for!
@@Payne.I called Legion ultimate support, they told me to factory reset, did that and still the same issue. Also I have all the lastest drivers too. Version: i7-13700h, rtx 4060, 3200 165hz screen.
3200x200 is too high a resolution for a 4060 - even with dlss you're bound to run into 128bit memory bus issues once the cache buffers run are saturated. Just try 2560x1600 or 1920x11200 for a while, the stutters will disappear, and both these two resolutions are plenty for a 16-inch laptop. And I'm sorry, but you want games to run on quiet? You're starving your CPU from waaaay too much wattage to play recent games where different threads depend on others - hence the stutter.
I appreciate the really detailed reply. Just for clarity the stutter is present even at 1080p and this is on titles I have and haven't shown. This laptop is running a 4070, not a 4060 and despite the limited VRAM many owners don't experience stuttering at all, even at a higher resolution. I wish I could have shown all the footage I captured for every game I tested, it would have been a very long video! If you're after some more perspective on what this and lower powered Legion laptops are capable of on Balanced and Quiet have a watch of some other TH-camrs. Tech Guy Beau is a good one.
@@Payne. I have a Zenbook Pro 14 OLED with a 13900h/4060 that has the exact same kind of stuttering in some games when run natively 2880x1800, but little to no stutter once I lower resolutions and lock the framerate to 60fps. This mostly happens in poorly optimized single threaded games that were designed for a 30fps PS5 with 16gb unified memory (CPU usage is also far lower on that architecture as it has a dedicated asset decompression chip). So that could be it perhaps?
I may just have unrealistic expectations on this laptops' performance? Like many, I based my decision on TH-cam reviews and watching the performance in "AAA" games with DLSS on and running quietly. I have a Legion with a 2070 in it connected to a 4K monitor, and it runs Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p, high, DLSS on with no problems. I'm considering going for the less powerful Legion Slim 5 14". I don't need incredible graphics, I just want a consistent experience. The tests here looked promising: th-cam.com/video/dc2i6av35t4/w-d-xo.html @@Havanu81
I HAD TO RETURN MINE. I WROTE GIANT EXPLANATION WHY BUT IT KEEPS AUTO DELETING AND I DONT KNOW WHY. ONLY BUY THIS IF U ARE MOVING BETWEEN MULTIPLE DESK SETUPS. DO NOT BUY IF U WANT TO USE IT ON UR LAP/BED/TABLE ON ITS OWN OR WITH LIMITED PERIPHERALS. IT IS A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT THAT IS LIGHTER THAN MOST, BUT NOT OVERLY IMPRESSIVE CAUSE 4070 ISNT GREAT
im just a crazy guy not an actual guy who spent weeks testing and having all the information you need to make an informed buying choice on the product. TOO BAD U CAN'T SEE ALL THE INFORMATION CAUSE I GET DELETED IF I CROSS TWO SENTENCES THAT DONT MAKE ME LOOK CRAZY
Sorry you had trouble getting this comment out. Thanks for the info, I am definitely after something portable to take between work and home, otherwise a desktop would be my preference.
I personally don't think so, I just think I got unlucky. While there are users in the comments who have experienced similar issues, many of them haven't or have been able to resolve it. I'm quite confident if I bought the laptop again I wouldn't have the same problem.
I find that games that stutter on my 4070 laptop (Rog flow x16) also stutter on my 13900k 4090 desktop. Lies of P stutters on both, Doom Eternal is smooth on both, Code Vein stutters on both, Baulder's gate is smooth on both. I haven't tested every game I have, but I notice that the stutters are a bit more pronounced on the laptop in lower power modes, but they still happen in the same gameplay areas on my desktop. I think Unreal Engine games stutter the worst. Lies of P tries to compile shaders before gameplay but it still stutters a bit in places. Code vein will drop a ton of frames creating a hard hitch then go back up to my monitors max refresh rate.
That's useful to know. My Legion with a 2070 doesn't stutter with Lies of P at 1440p for some reason. There are a lot of mixed responses and experiences in the comments, it's hard to really nail what the cause of the issue is.
@@Payne. Have you tried disabling core isolation and virtual machine platform? I just read today that those can introduce stutters affecting 1% lows. I'm going to give it a shot on my laptop and report back.
@@gurmukhsandhu9207 hey, Ive been messing around with settings. removing core isolation helped with lies of p but didn't completely remove frame time stutters. I think this is because of the CPU frequency jumping around and it only being a 6 core part. I think the HX is the full fat processor which the Lenovo laptops have. I'm running a Asus ROG flow x16 4070 laptop
@@gurmukhsandhu9207 so on my laptop, particularly on lies of p, lowering GPU boost to 5 watts completely eliminated the random stutters. I still get the one hitch up on entering a new area but that's the game engine not the hardware. it seems like some games just want consistent CPU frequency even though it's not using every core.
@@Payne. Did you have to pay the 20% restocking fee? I plan on buying the more powerful pro 7i from them but im very worried about it😂😂 Im from aus too and im getting the rtx 4080 version so id be down $800 if i ever chose to return it
Seems more like an optimization thing since cyberpunk runs smooth. Might just have to leave on performance anyways since this is a gaming laptop, not for lowering the power. Now if it stuttered doing normal stuff, then that’s a bigger problem. I’d just do a clean install and put only the necessary drivers and run windows update. Also, update the bios following that. Remove all bloatware and antivirus programs since Windows defender is sufficient nowadays.
@@corpuzone All really excellent suggestions and definitely ones I've tried prior to returning. The only reason I suspect it was a hardware issue is that my new Legion Slim 5 with a 4060 runs Cyberpunk even on Quiet Mode. It's not the best way to play of course but it works.
Too much compromise with the Slim Models. After watching and reading reviews for about two months waited for Black Friday week and I got my wife the Pro 5 7745HX/4070 model with 32gigs and its amazing. For the money which was about $1300 the only upgrade it'll need to stay at its full potential in another two years or so will just be updating the RAM from 32gigs to 64gigs which is the max for all the Graphic Design and Video Creation software.
There are definitely some compromises to be made, especially around heat dissipation. I have to say that my Legion Slim 5 (14") exceeds my expectations, it does run very very hot but doesn't seem to impact performance. The Legion 5 is definitely great value. Thanks for stopping by!
There are definitely some compromises to be made, especially around heat dissipation. I have to say that my Legion Slim 5 (14") exceeds my expectations, it does run very very hot but doesn't seem to impact performance. The Legion 5 is definitely great value. Thanks for stopping by!
does the igpu turn off or does it share like on a regular pc?. for pc it always shared if you monitor to the mobo. the "mux switch" is a physical plug. does the external monitor through hdmi run only on gpu? i like the sound tests but you gotta use a phone and leave the pc room to get the sense of the sound lol.
I had no idea. I am like almost 40 I was looking around for a grown up version of a laptop with a gpu and they don't make em. lol. I thought. hahahaha@@Payne.
With that logic you might as well buy a desktop. These power and fan profiles exist so you can sacrifice performance for a reduction in fan noise and they do work on other models. If you check out my Legion Slim 5 14" video you'll see what I mean. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.
Hey, thanks for commenting. I've provided a factual recount of my experience, my title tells you exactly what happened, I returned the laptop. Additionally I get to the point every early on and if you watch the video to completion you'll see that I don't fully understand why it's happening. If you read the comment you'll see I'm not alone. You'll also see many people who had this issue and resolved the problem for themselves. There are far less hostile ways we can have a conversation about my experience. Do you own this model? What's your experience been like up to this point?
I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about or knows how to program a laptop settings. Out of the dozens of reviews on this laptop all of them being great and no issues. This guy sounds like a whiny Australian like the rest of them. I juat ordered this laptop and I'm sure I won't have any of these issues he's claiming. Maybe he has the only bad one in production🤷♂️
Ouch, pretty harsh don't you think? Not every laptop is perfect and sometimes you get a bad one in the batch. I'm confident your 7i will be fine and I really hope it is! For clarity, you don't need to "program" a laptop out of the box. Yes you need to download drivers and ensure they are up to date but tweaking power settings using third party programs should not be a requirement to run games without hitches or stutters. I have another video on the Legion Slim 5 where it works straight out of the box without any "programming". That's what I expected and that's what I got, I'm really happy with it. Thanks for stopping by and joining the discussion, I genuinely hope you have a great experience with your Legion 7i and I strongly suggest you review the way you comment on videos in the future. Merry Christmas.
@Payne. it's not harsh at all. I've never seen someone nit pick so hard. People take reviews pretty serious especially in video format. If this guy had this many issues he should have sent it back for warranty. People do make choices based on reviews so it's very valuable. Good thing for me is I watched 20+ other youtubers review this laptop and didn't have any issues at all. Thats how I made my decision. This guy on the other hand can screw up alot of people's decision making because he had a bad experience which may not be that accurate of one.
Hey Derek, for clarity when you say “this guy”, you're talking about me. That's me in the video. I opted for a refund over a return and instead went for the Legion Slim 5i. There are many people in the comments who have experienced the same problems I had, I'm not alone. There are also countless people who have zero issues, it's just the nature of mass-produced technology, not every batch will be perfect and to believe that this is “the only bad one in production” is unrealistic. As you have said, there are more positive reviews out there which absolutely shows I am an outlier, I've never denied that in the comments. I'm not confident you watched the entire video and based on your comments above you seem personally attacked that I had a bad experience with a laptop you haven't even received yet! I genuinely hope everything works well out of the box. Starting a comment belittling a person does not promote good conversation, once again I urge you to review the way you comment in the future. Have a great day.
@Payne. no I did watch the video fully and you can check that I did. It's not belittling at all when someone just makes a straight up negative video about a product based on your experience. If you had sent this laptop in or got it exchanged and did another review showing that it was just a bad batch of product then I would respect that but you didn't. You made a video critiquing all kinds of nonsense and didn't do the product any justice. Out of all the reviews on this laptop on TH-cam this is the only negative experience one and like I stated. Alot of peopel take reviews pretty serious and can persuade someone easily from not buying a good product based on a and review.
@@derekparisian2023 At the end of the day I made my choice for a refund over a return. The laptop was everything I was looking for but had a single major flaw that prevented me from enjoying my video games. I've pinned this comment to the top for visibility so that others can join in and give their two cents. Let me know how your 7i is once you receive it. All the best!
Hi @Payne, thank you so much for this honest video. It opened up my eyes to an issue which I at first thought it might just be my fuzziness, but it turns out I'm not alone. I also have the Legion Slim 7 16, be it with the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS and RTX 4060 for that case, but I have the exact same issue with micro-stutters in almost all 3D games I have tested, even in just benchmarking with TimeSpy. I've tested with various games like Shadow and Rise of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2, GTA V, Guardians of the Galaxy. The only game where I did not notice any kind of visible stutters, was with Red Dead Redemption 2, funny enough. I tried everything, like disabling AMD Platform Security and Microsoft Device Guard in the BIOS, overclocking the dGPU, custom Power profiles with max. settings, switching off tobii head tracking and RGB, etc. I've even added a 16GB SODIMM to the onboard 16GB with exactly the same speed and timings. Some things helped a little bit, but there was always some kind of stuttering. And I don't think it has something to do with thermal throttling, because my tests were done in a room at 13 C (55F) and the temps of the GPU seldom went above 60C and for the CPU 70C. What made it even more obvious, was the fact that I had the opportunity to do the same testing on a Legion 5 slim 14 with the same Windows installation and GPU-drivers. With that laptop, there were absolutely no issues - and that was before even sawing your confirmatory video on the Slim 5! And even if the RTX 4060 in the 5 slim 14 has a technically lower TDP of 100w + 15W Boost (vs 115W + 25W in the Slim 7 16), it had almost the exact same performance in gaming benchmarks. The Slim 7 only had a 300 points better score in TimeSpy with an excellent 11448 (vs 11145 on the Slim 5 14). I must say I'll much rather prefer a bit lower FPS with the smoothness of the Slim 5 than the choppier higher FPS of the Slim 7. So you have absolutely gone the right way with Legion Slim 5 14! Thanks again for this honest review, because with 99% of other reviews about the Slim 7 I have looked at, they were sponsored either by Lonovo or Intel and I had the funny feeling they might have been biased and nobody else mentioned the possibility of micro-stuttering.
Thanks for taking the time to document your experience with such detail. It really doesn't seem like thermal throttling because it was apparent almost instantly. HWiNFO indicated everything was fine from a temps perspective. Everyone in the comments are getting mixed results, some are fine and some experience stuttering. I'm really happy with the Slim 5i and despite that it runs incredibly hot under load it never seems to throttle.
Use custom mode, i set the custom mode, and im always using in that mode, not changing it, even gaming, silent and performance better than performance mode, confimred with time spy scores. No stutter also. One more thing you can use advanced optimus while switching to dgpu, no need to restart
What settings are you using in custom mode? This particular model (Gen 8) never showed Advanced Optimus in the NVIDIA Control Panel, even with the stock drivers from Lenovos support website. What model do you have?
@@Payne. i have the one with same specs like yours, only differnec is display i have 2560x1600 refresh rate 240hz, advance optimus automatically appearing in nvidia control panel, just selecting the nvidia gpu only and apply it. Custom mode settings: short term power limit 90w, long term 48w, cpu temp limit 98, long term cross loading 30w, pl1 tau 20, cpu to gpu dynamic boost 25w, gpu tgp 115w, gpu temp limit 87. processor power target in AC 45w, gpu to cpu dynamic boost 0. As for fan speed custom profile i keep rpm a lil higher in middle starting from 40% so that starting col gpu and cpu earlier while under load. Im using the machine for both work and gaming so far its good, i was using aorus b4 with rtx 2070 .
i have similar but with 13900HX cpu. I had stuttering in windows but after removal pesky McAfee virus It actually runs very smoothly without any stuttering. Also I did some heavy calculations and it actually works well with boosting P-cores to almost 4.8 GHz and that is impressive... Btw, only recently I have upgraded Vantage and it now works even better. However, this laptop has issue with Ubuntu. It runs smoothly and so on but when I calculate something very heavy (regardless the mode) after awhile it drops to base frequencies (to 2.2 GHz) and calculates at such low frequencies with no spinning being like a quiet mode and cpu temps are low (50-55 degrees celsius), but again after awhile (it can any time, 5-30 min) it activates max speed and this continues.... when I bought it, it worked fine with constant max speed and loud sound from coolers and after awhile these performance cycles started. I do not understand what happened with laptop. Cannot find answers for 5 months...
Thanks for taking the time to document your issues. Do you have AI mode switched on in Vantage by any chance? I believe it impacts all fan modes, not just balanced.
So, a timely review on your part, and my stumbling into it. I picked up a Lenovo Legion Slim 7i here in Canada a couple of weeks back, as most of the games I play are e-sports titles and older RTS games. I figured the RTX 4070 would more than suffice for those, and this laptop was easy to pack along for my regular business travel. I found the same as you did, in that unless I was in performance mode, I was encountering micro-stutters, even with average FPS (CS2, Doom: Eternal) being in the 120-150 range at native 2560 x 1600 (high settins, no DLSS). I also did find that I had issues with the laptop having some performance issues even in productivity apps that were demanding (issues with MS Teams and large video conference calls leading to performance issues, that were only solved by jumping into Performance mode). That was even with an additional 32GB of 5600 MHz RAM installed, and the primary drive swapped for a Samsung 990 Pro 4TB. I had a chance to grab a heavily discounted Alienware X16 (RTX 4080), which isn't as "business friendly" as the Lenovo Legion Slim 7i, but I can just leave the Alienware X16 in Balanced mode the entire time, and have zero performance issues of any sort. I preferred the weight and less "gamery" look of the Lenovo Legion vs the Alienware, but between some consistent performance issues, and a couple of nagging quality issues on the Lenovo, it's getting returned tomorrow to Best Buy. It's too bad, as that Lenovo had lots of potential to be the ideal business / entertainment laptop for me.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed reply. It's nice to know I'm not alone! I've since reverted to a Legion with an RTX 2070, and I'm not enjoying stutter free gaming. Even Cyberpunk at 1440P with DLSS on works wonderfully. I really do love the design and features of the Legion Slim 7i, and like you, it had the potential to be the best business/entertainment hybrid. Part of me thinks that if I order another one I won't face the same challenges but I'm not willing to take the risk.
I'd do some research and read some forum posts on people's experiences. There are many people out there with my exact model who don't have issues so it's luck of the draw. All I can say is that the returns process in Australia was very easy.
I've bougth that version but it hasn't arrived yet. From reviews I know that the Ryzen 7840HS need much less power and as a result the gpu can use this power. Intel kinda sucks in efficiency in the current gen. But as mentioned below it seems to be a nvidia driver issue and does effect other laptops. I expect this to be fixed if it's not fixed yet.
i had the slim 7 as well was a horror of issues with the display backlight failing three times the fan shorted out which led to thee laptop not turning on and it was a nightmare but lenovo was kind enough to offer me a refund and I got the gen 9 legion 7i which is going smoothly
I've just ordered this laptop right down to the per key lighting, i9 & 4070 and screen... I was aware of this video when I ordered so I'll be firing up Horizon when it arrives and assess it accordingly.
Amazing. I'm sure you'll be fine, there have been a heap of updates since I last owned it and I'm confident it will perform as expected. Regardless let me know how you go!
@@Payne. Ahh nice, so micro stutters probably just unlucky then :) still waiting on mine! Seems it missed its flight but it's moving again now so hopefully tomorrow/Thursday!
I have the AMD 4060 32ram one, there is driver issue and stuffs, yeah nowadays new laptop, new hardware, we cant expect 100% flawless and smooth performance.
Agreed. There are some problems I can overlook, but those stutter issues were just too distracting. I'm not having any of those issues with the Slim 5 thankfully.
my legion 7i pro 13900hx 4090 has microstutter as well its less in hybrid oddly enough but its due to the dpc latency which is quite high on latencymon. anything thats capped at 60 you'll be able to see it more. first noticed it in sonic mania cuz my ally and legion actually runs it smoother and dpc latency is also WAY lower on those devices so yeah thats whats causing it
@Payne. I wanted to know how I can get the thermal infographics on my Legion like in this video. I got a new Legion Slim 7i Gen8 i9 13900H with Rtx 4070. This system seems to be running hot. I want to measure it for a reference.
That's GeForce Experience and pressing Alt+R on your keyboard. I would recommend using something like HWinfo or RivaTuner with Afterburner for better stats. You can see RivaTuner running in my Legion 5 video but it takes a bit to set up. HWiNFO will be your best bet for checking temps. Mine ran very hot.
either you got a bad ram, or windows 11 OS is doing something on the background that cause stuttering.. turn off fast startup on system settings.. windows 11 has allot of stuttering issues when gaming
Great advice! I spend a good two weeks trying to sort these issues out, and I jumped between Lenovos pre-packaged Windows 11 image and stock. Even a clean installation of Windows (with fast startup) turned off, still resulted in stutters.
Tried that, at the time of filming only one BIOS update was available. There is now a November 6 update, version JYCN52WW. I'm wondering if that may improve the Slim 7i performance?
Bro is using balance and quiet mode. These modes reduce the overall laptop consumption by lowering the GPU wattage by almost 30%. What did you expect? too run smoothly with 95W instead of 140w?
Thanks for commenting. I can assure you I've tested across all fan profiles and while your FPS will drop, you shouldn't be getting micro stutters. Those modes are designed to reduce fan noise at the cost of performance, not to make the games you're running unplayable. There is a lot of additional testing I did that I couldn't cover in the video and I'd be happy to run everybody through every step I took to resolve the problem.
It's very easy to tell what fan mode you're in, if you're not paying attention to the light then you'll know by how loud it is! In saying that Balanced with AI mode on sounds very similar to Performance mode.
3200x200 is too high a resolution for a 4060 - even with dlss you're bound to run into 128bit memory bus issues once the cache buffers run is saturated. Just try 2560x1600 or 1920x11200 for a while, the stutters will disappear, and both these two resolutions are plenty for a 16-inch laptop. And I'm sorry, but you want games to run on balanced or even quiet? You're starving your CPU from way too much wattage to play recent games where different threads depend on others - hence the stutter.@@Payne.
I always play in balance or quiet on the legion 7 with rtx 2070, never micro stutterings. It might slow down, but micro stutterings shouldn't happen. Lenovo Laptops have a wide range of issues that is all too often connected to their Vantage software. They need almost always quite some tweaking until all runs smooth.
That's really good news. It makes me think mine has a hardware fault but many believe it's software related. It's a beautiful laptop, I hope you get many years out of it.
@@Payne. Btw, my machine came with the studio Nvidia drivers installed. I've replaced them immediately with the gaming drivers. Now I tested the studio ones. These seem to have issues, like you mentioned, occasionally. I went back to the game ready drivers. All 👍🏼
@@edgargabriel6640 please tell me which drivers you replaced this way. Just the geforce game ready driver? Please also tell if you performed clean install or express install.
Dont have the slim version - but ppl have commented on some videos that they get stutter to. Only thing I can recommend is updating drivers- from Vantage + BIOS then also keeping Nvidia up to date in Geforce Experience. Lastly try turning on dGPU mode instead of hybrid optimus - then in BIOS you can also enable CPU Overclock - and UNDERCLOCK your CPU in Vantage which might help. FINALLY - the last suggestion - is you can turn of CPU Power Boost which reduces heat/fan noise in Power Options - > Advanced - go to your power plan and go to CPU and turn off boosting.
stuttering issues are becouse of the bloatware instaled on the machine not the power draw of it. For Example you do not need Lenovo Vantage or Gforce Experience , those are bloatware apps that slow donw the machine , who knows what else you got in there. use a debloater to debloat windows and close down ussles apps and the stutters will 100% dissapear.Lenovo are great laptops , never had any issues with them ever.
Unfortunately this issue was present with stock Windows 11, no Vantage and no GFE using the NVIDIA drivers from the Lenovo support site. I'm sure your comment will help others though.
@@Payne. the video shows the fps counter using Nvidia Ansel , that does not work whitout GFE , even more so nvidia drivers provided by the lenovo site are outdated AT LEAST 3 or 4 driver generations , lenovo vantage was shown in the video too . All these bloatwares combined slow down the machine at least 20% . When making a rewiev of a laptop/PC , its basic knowladge that one must use the latesed drivers and sofware provided and that does not mean only from the support site, most of them are months outdated.
@@Worfalak@Worfalak As explained in other comments I haven't shown every single scenario tested. If I had the video would be hours long. What I'm saying is that I HAVE tested it using your suggested scenario. I'm not trying to dupe anyone here, I wish it worked. It just didn't work using the different software configurations I tried which leads me to believe that in my specific model, hardware may be the problem.
UPDATE: I have the new Legion Slim 5 (14"). Check out the review here: th-cam.com/video/rop_5YjPX-k/w-d-xo.html
Hey everyone, long time no see. What's your experience been with Lenovo Legion laptops? I've been over multiple Reddit threads with people recounting their troubles with the dreaded micro stutter.
If you're interested in more reviews like this, please let me know in the comments. Have a great day everyone.
As promised, here are some other great reviews of the Lenovo Legion Slim 7i that are a bit more positive than mine:
Jarrod's Tech: th-cam.com/video/6CkIpzTrlEQ/w-d-xo.html
Tech Guy Beau: th-cam.com/video/0NoKYSpPiSQ/w-d-xo.html
OOOOOO MY GOD 🤯
8:10 Are u trying to make this laptop 2K gaming machine ???🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro...
So that is a 3.2K resolution. Now I know what you're thinking, I should have dropped it to 1440p or even 1080p right? Well I did that and the stuttering remained the same.
On my Legion Slim 5 with a 4060 I can actually run it on a 4K monitor with DLSS on at close to 60FPS on medium. The Legion Slim 7i is capable of running the game at 3.2K with DLSS turned on, but at the time of the recording, I was having stuttering issues regardless of what resolution I ran the game at.
Also, I took a quick look at your channel, you should post some more gaming vids! What are you playing these days?@@ChudGippity
@@Payne. O yeah it is nearly 4k u r right.
I watched ur other video abt the AMD version. Sorry for that but some thing got scrambled in my brain .
But in any case that is happening bc it was intel model your 7i slim it was I think.. The AMD especially with 7745hx models are way better. And yeah that GPU 4060 or 70 is 1080p chip but use that Ai checkbox for every mode bc u r using DLSS and FG I see u do not hate them lol or if u want to bump up resolution use external monitor. Ur native has to be with out stutter/maxed out so when u turn on dlss fsr fg they will do what they are made for . If the hardware is struggling on native it cannot give u more like u expect it is in need of POWER
Interesting. I have the AMD version of this laptop with the 4060 and it's been great so far. Great battery life, great screen, great performance, even the speakers are fairly loud. My only gripe is that the 99.9whr battery gets a bit warm when it is being charged.
That's promising. I'm still after a light portable laptop so I've purchased the 14" Gen 8 which should arrive next week.
Will we get a review of that one then? I am thinking about buying it.
Would you be able to play dota 2 on it?
Yep there is a review of it now.@@FrantisekBoscik
@@Payne. what you have to do is to leave some space on ur ssd or use one for OS the other fill to 99.999% And stop blaming the hardware !
Or... GET URSELF A DESKTOP BC U EXPECT LAPTOPS TO RUN UR STUFF LIKE THEY ARE DESKTOPS U 🤡
Hi Payne, i Have Legion Slim 5, RTX 4060 version. i also had these micro stutter issue before, but after long search and try to tweak it here and there for almost a week I (think) found a solution.
long story short, it was because the Windows 11 feature called GameBar and Game Mode. basically, it was because of program conflict between Lenovo Vantage Power management (and its bios) vs WIndows 11 gaming feature that glitching this optimization programs, resulting in unsynchronized frame processes. also i notice some black screen display bug after reboot if you clean install Nvidia GPU Driver. you should only express install it, since the OEM driver .dll from lenovo that tweak this display switching get erased if you do a clean install (you have to manually install the OEM again to undo this bug).
but unfortunately, I have to return this laptop too because I have a defect keyboard and some weird sleep issue. otherwise a very good laptop build for working and gaming, while also it is the only gaming laptop on the market that don't scream gamers aesthetics, which hated by most of adult people.
This is really valuable information. I actually have a Slim 5 4060 on order and will be sure to test this out when it arrives.
@@Payne. Great, Looking forward to see your thought on the Laptop!
hi, do you happen to come across a kink where i can install this OEM .dll file? i'd really love to know. or atleast what do i need to download? thanks.
same issue. can u please tell me how you resolved it? im very frustrated with my laptop
@@loleroll2579 Unfortunately I was never able to resolve it, I had to return it. What specs are yours?
I had the same problem first couple days with the laptop was getting very hot after I installed the last version of the Nvidia driver and the micro-stutters were even watching TH-cam that when I went to the processes in task manager, Nvidia Container was using a lot of the CPU every other second, I disabled it and all the micro-stutters were gone. Also, I installed the last version of the Intel's video driver and all videos problems that I was having in EDGE disappeared, so I decided to do a Clean installation of Windows 11 from USB, installed all the drivers including Nvidia from Lenovo and the latest from Intel's website and now the laptop is running like a dream. My two cents.
Your 2 cents is very valuable, I tried the same thing and while there was a slight improvement it didn't last long for me. I really thought it would work.
I have almost the exact same model, i9, 4070, etc. Only different screen, more RAM, and storage. I founda this video because I am having the same issue. I tried ALL power modes and it did not make a difference for me. The thing is I've had this laptop ever since it came out, about 4 months now, and did not have this issue before. It just started happening within the last couple of weeks or so, so I am sure it's a driver/firmware update. Ive noticed that it happens when I a not gaming, too. Within Windows, if I am just browsing around, or even watching YT, my mouse cursor, and the videos will micro stutter. A quick fix I found is to log out of Windows and log back in. That normally gets rid of the micro stutter for a day or two (your YMMV) until it comes back again. Then another log out/log back in gets me a couple more days until it happens again. I opened a ticket with Lenovo and they just sent the usual canned response (make sure your drivers up to date, etc. etc.). I hope this is fixed soon. I am certain it is not a hardware issue, since all of the sudden a lot of people just started noticing this within the last few weeks.
Another issue I noticed that started happening around the same time is my Thunderbolt 4 dock started acting up. Before, it used to just work. Now, it keeps connecting/discoonecting. I know the dock, and cables, work because I use the same setup between this lenovo, and my Macbook Pro. The Macbook Pro doesn't have any issues with it.
While I chose to return mine, I would happily buy it again if the issue could be resolved. Please keep me updated, I really hope you're able to resolve it for good. As a side note the Lenovo returns process was very easy.
@unknownsol0 This sounds like a latency issue with a process. Try running LatencyMon and see if you are in the green there. If not it will show the process that is the culprit. Try killing that process and see if it helps with micro stutter on YT and games.
Try changing the mode to dGPU only. It worked for me
I also had this issue and although I'm not as tech savvy as the majority of everyone on here, I noticed it went away after I updated my NVIDIA driver to version 546.17. I have the exact same laptop. I'm hoping this was the resolve to the micro stutters cause I was really bummed out when I ran into this issue when I first opened my laptop two weeks ago.
I bought this laptop for myself for Christmas, but I was going to wait until Christmas Day to open it. I guess I should open it now to see if I am having any of these issues. I got it from Best Buy open box for $1500. Looks like I might have to return this.
I'm sure you'll be fine. Many people in the comments have zero issues, I think I just got unlucky. Merry Christmas.
Did you keep it?
@davidk4082 I kept it. I love it. Keeping it in performance more solves all the laggy issues. I think this is an issue across all lenovo laptops. Also not all USB C chargers work. It didn't recognize half of them. I finally found a 100W Ankee adapter that works and I use that most of the time. For gaming you need to use the big brick adapter that is included.
@@Aimster2 what’s the point of the USB charger? Portability? Any other issues? I also ordered an open box excellent that’s coming in tomorrow. Fingers crossed that there’s nothing wrong with it! Thx for your response!
@@Aimster2 do you hear any coil whine from your gpu?
There are Reddit post that solve this, it’s the Lenovo software
Do you have a link to the post? It may help some people out.
Link?
Link
It was on Reddit hopefully this helps
Legion 7i Pro Gen8 Solution] Power throttling fix for CPU-GPU mixed workloads
Yeees yeees, my man’s back with some content for me to consume 😎
Yep i have seen a lot of reviews on lenovo site of people complaining about laptops stop working and stuff. I really wish these youtube reviewers were more honest about these lenovos.
I've used a lot of Lenovo laptops in the past and this was the only one that caused me real problems. Occasionally I run into faulty USB-C ports on X1s.
Comments here are a mix of users experiencing the same problem as me, many don't though. I guess it's just luck of the draw. Do you have a gaming laptop?
Recently purchased the AMD/4060 version of this laptop. Have had no such issues. I have had an issue where i can no longer get below about 20-25w per hour of power usage on battery. When fresh out of the box, i could get 6-12w. I haven't been able to find yet what has caused me to lose half the battery runtime. I will likely try a fresh W11 install soon. The AMD version doesn't seem to have Adv. Optimus at all.
Just a word of warning on a fresh install of Windows 11, the drivers for WLAN most likely won't be detected. I USB tethered to my mobile to get back online.
@@Payne. Believe I figured it out this morning. Had to dis/reable 4060 in devmgr.
The Power issues are likely related to the Nvidia GPU staying on in idle, also only the model that has the AMD + HDR screen doesn't have advanced optimus, the other screens have it
@@suschilegge1683 that's the only issue I have with it. And every now and then, it will do what it's supposed to. When that happens I've seen it report down to 6-8w of pwr cnsmpt. I can always tell, if it pulls 25w continuously then it will stay puking 25w. Still haven't found exactly what causes it. I have the 7840hs/4060/2560*1600 240hz model.
Hi Payne ! I’m from India…was planning to get this variant since it had excellent reviews & seems to be one among the best of 2023 models…went through your complete review & other people’s opinions on comment section regarding the stuttering & screen blackout issue…really pushed me into a dilemma regarding the purchase because the slim 7i is not available on Lenovo Indian website recently but it’s available on all Lenovo offline retail stores so it really scares me whether they are trying to push out all the defective stocks…I really wanted to know whether it’s jus a driver update glitch or a serious hardware issue ? I guess you can answer my question now because it’s been nearly couple of months since you posted the review so if it’s a update glitch I hope it would have rectified with a recent update else I’m assuming it would be a hardware problem. Hope you can let out an honest opinion ! Thanks in advance
I returned the 7i so I can't say for sure if the issue is resolved. I'd rely more on the comments of users who still own the laptop.
What I will say is that there are more happy customers than frustrated ones...many of the people in the comments never experienced the issues I faced.
I think it's worth buying and as long as Lenovo support is good where you live you'll be fine.
@@Payne. Thanks a lot for your response! The thing is I’ve been struck with a defective Alienware M15 R7 model twice (replaced model also defective)…it took me nearly 8months & still haven’t sorted out so that’s the reason I’m getting this slim 7i…really don’t wanted to get struck again with another defective model with a different issue…anywy I’m still in a dilemma…would be great if you could recommend any best alternative to Lenovo slim 7i ?
Hey i have the same issue in lies of p. It stutters like hell. I didn't have any stuttering issues on cyberpunk and lord of the fallen on balance. Stutters goes away in lies of p on performance mode.
It's an unusual issue, I wonder if the 2024 model has the same problem. What year did you buy yours?
@@Payne.2023 model it's i913900h 4060 model. I didn't have any stutters in cyberpunk. No stutters in lord of the fallen. Your forza horizon issue could be due to gsync. Someone I know had the same issue in that game. Disabling gync fixes it. Lies of p issue is not due to gsync. You can get smoother experience in lies of p by enabling performance mode ( actually it's not performance mode that does the trick. Its best performance power mode ( in setting) in setting that gets enabled in performance mode. You can enable best performance in balance mode manually. ) and capping fps. Unfortunately i can't rule out it's a hardware issue tbh because that guy who had same issue in forza horizon and lies of p got an replacement. He didn't play much after it's an shit laptop im stuck with
@@Payne.Talked to the guy. Lies of p in both machine. I wish i could sue lenovo
@Payne. I also had stuttering issue, the computer just needed a simple restart. The problem is that windows computer does not shutdown entirely when you "shutdown" in order to boost the reboot time. You need to click restart instead of shutdown under the power menu. Also, under task manager --> Performance --> CPU, you can check the Up time. This Up time does not reset on "shutdown", only if you shutdown completely or restart. It is most likely a software issue and somehow clogged up the system and needs regular reset and probably more frequently if high usage.
I wish that fixed my issue, but at the time of purchase I'd tried just about everything, including multiple reformats. There was either a dodgy NVIDIA driver update at the time I owned it or a hardware issue. I'm glad the reboot sorted yours out!
@@Payne. One other thing you can check is the RAM. It has one soldered and one removable. Take out the removable RAM and see if the stutter is still there. I had a defective slot and the RAM just doesn't fit snug like other laptop, or maybe they just poorly designed it and can cause issues. About the reboot part, it is just good to reboot at least once every 2 days if you're gaming to reset the laptop so it runs smoothly. Somewhere I read in comments that you picked up another Legion slim 5 or some other model? How did that go for you?
These are good tips, I only had a single 16gb stick in my model with the intention of upgrading, but I did try the other slot.
I ended up with the Legion Slim 5, the video is here if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/rop_5YjPX-k/w-d-xo.html@@bentrades739
Glad to hear that the new laptop worked for you. Were you able to identify the causes of the stutter issue? From Slim 7i to Slim 5, the difference is really just the screen size and CPU. Not sure if the intel CPU was the culprit and AMD was better. Or perhaps some other unknown issue.@@Payne.
Forza has microstudder on every system
I definitely don't have that issue on my previous laptop or my Xbox Series X. It's a hard thing to show on TH-cam, in the Lies of P section it's very apparent but everywhere else it's more of a feeling. What laptop do you have?
I returned mine after 1 day, screen was gross, ips is gross, 2023 anything other than oled isn’t very good. I ended up settling on a mini led laptop because there aren’t many oled options with dedicated gpu.
What laptop did you get? I have an OLED now and I don't think I could go back.
@@Payne. ASUS ROG Flow x16. Mini led, but looks very close to oled. Much much better laptop.
@@mmm0513 MINI LED is IPS panel enchanced, OLED is completely different beast , higher is just AMOLED or general samsungs wide color gamut oleds . OLED CX PC gamer here
@@soldier9927 right, oled is better. Problem is there are almost no oled gaming laptops. The basically don’t make them. Best case right now for a gaming laptop is the mini led screens.
Personal rule of thumb: Never buy the "slim" versions of any good, non-slim product. Seriously. Buy a Legion 7 Pro and enjoy the hardware as it performs to its full potential. STOP buying "slim" stuff, those 5mm in thickness you'd be saving will come back to bite you in the @ss in ways you never thought possible.
I get it. There is a lot to be desired from the Slim models, particularly around the build quality. Almost no reviews mention this stuttering issue which leads me to believe I'm just one of the unlucky few.
Can you tell me if the problem persist ? And whats the performance of the lap in tasks either than gaming
Hi! I decided to return the laptop as I could never find a solution. Some people in the comments mentioned the issue is resolved as of a recent Nvidia driver update.
I literally just switched to a new computer because my pc was doing the same micro stutter and I just could not get it to work.
I can spot it in the video because I’ve seen it first hand 😮
I wonder if it’s just a component of the laptop not working correctly and if you had another laptop of the same model that it’d be fine 🤔
Glad you delved into this, I do get a lot of questions from friends about what laptop they should buy so now I can let them know maybe it’s not this one haha
You’ll need to make another video when you find one that you can recommend 😁😁😁
Hey Moose, congrats on the 2K subs, you're killing it! I'm pretty confident if I swapped this out with another one, I'd be fine. If I was to buy the same Slim 7i again, I'd definitely go for a Intel i7 to reduce the likelihood of thermal throttling. Did you build a desktop?
Performance tends to be much better using an external monitor that's FreeSync Premium/G-Snyc high quality 1080p/1440p
I've considered getting a higher refresh monitor with GSync. The one I use now is very colour accurate but used more for design than gaming.
Did you try to run the games on a reasonable resolution? Like 1200p or 1600p
Great question, I've tried a variety of resolutions and it's all fairly inconsistent. I've even tried it on an external 4K monitor and some days it works fine and other days you get stutters. You'll notice people having similar issues in the comments, but there is a fair bit about this problem online as well. Do you own this laptop?
@@Payne. Most likely it's a driver issue especially that everyone has it the GPU and CPU get utilized just fine with the normal power usage. And yes I have this laptop but the AMD one and i don't seem to have any problem
Edit: but I have a 1600p 240hz screen
@@Payne.Update: it is indeed a driver issue everyone in almost all laptops are going insane after the latest Nvidia driver
I bought the i9 4070 16GB Ram version, hopefully this will not happen
Please let us know how it is! If it's a software issue I would hope it's resolved by now.
When it arrives I will let you know if its lagging or anything like that. I will make sure to try games.
@@Payne.
I've just ordered one as well , it's the 7i gen 9 with the 4070 32gb ram
I had a similar problem on Lenovo yoga slim 7 pro with rtx 3050. Helped completely remove all nvidia programs and reinstall the nvidia driver. it is important not to reinstall, you need to completely remove and install clean the nvidia game driver. Also I uninstalled Lenovo vantage. I hope this helps someone
Thank you for the tip. Unfortunately, this didn't work for me, but it has for a lot of people.
Seems weird. I have a 2021 Legion 5 Pro and the only occasional stutter I get is in some open world games when the game is loading a new area. I usually use Auto mode with the frame rate pegged at 60 fps using vsync. Mainly because 60 fps seems like enough for most games and it keeps the temperatures and fan noise down. Plus I haven't noticed any significant performance increase when using Performance mode.
We have a number of people in the comments suggesting the Slim models struggle with stutter. Plenty out there that don't have the issue though.
Are you happy with your 5 Pro?
This is really frustrating every time I decided on a laptop a video is released about it’s problems
You're never going to find a laptop that is flawless. In saying that please be aware this was the 2023 model, the 2024 model probably won't have the same issues. If this is the laptop you want I say buy it, id it has a fault that's what a warranty is for!
i got this lag too, screen will randomly lag or go black for a second, its really annoying
That issue sounds like a graphics driver. Were you able to get it fixed?
@@Payne.I called Legion ultimate support, they told me to factory reset, did that and still the same issue. Also I have all the lastest drivers too. Version: i7-13700h, rtx 4060, 3200 165hz screen.
I just returned the laptop today, not gonna ever buy a windows laptop again 😂
3200x200 is too high a resolution for a 4060 - even with dlss you're bound to run into 128bit memory bus issues once the cache buffers run are saturated. Just try 2560x1600 or 1920x11200 for a while, the stutters will disappear, and both these two resolutions are plenty for a 16-inch laptop. And I'm sorry, but you want games to run on quiet? You're starving your CPU from waaaay too much wattage to play recent games where different threads depend on others - hence the stutter.
I appreciate the really detailed reply. Just for clarity the stutter is present even at 1080p and this is on titles I have and haven't shown.
This laptop is running a 4070, not a 4060 and despite the limited VRAM many owners don't experience stuttering at all, even at a higher resolution.
I wish I could have shown all the footage I captured for every game I tested, it would have been a very long video! If you're after some more perspective on what this and lower powered Legion laptops are capable of on Balanced and Quiet have a watch of some other TH-camrs. Tech Guy Beau is a good one.
@@Payne. I have a Zenbook Pro 14 OLED with a 13900h/4060 that has the exact same kind of stuttering in some games when run natively 2880x1800, but little to no stutter once I lower resolutions and lock the framerate to 60fps. This mostly happens in poorly optimized single threaded games that were designed for a 30fps PS5 with 16gb unified memory (CPU usage is also far lower on that architecture as it has a dedicated asset decompression chip). So that could be it perhaps?
I may just have unrealistic expectations on this laptops' performance? Like many, I based my decision on TH-cam reviews and watching the performance in "AAA" games with DLSS on and running quietly. I have a Legion with a 2070 in it connected to a 4K monitor, and it runs Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p, high, DLSS on with no problems.
I'm considering going for the less powerful Legion Slim 5 14". I don't need incredible graphics, I just want a consistent experience. The tests here looked promising: th-cam.com/video/dc2i6av35t4/w-d-xo.html
@@Havanu81
I HAD TO RETURN MINE. I WROTE GIANT EXPLANATION WHY BUT IT KEEPS AUTO DELETING AND I DONT KNOW WHY. ONLY BUY THIS IF U ARE MOVING BETWEEN MULTIPLE DESK SETUPS. DO NOT BUY IF U WANT TO USE IT ON UR LAP/BED/TABLE ON ITS OWN OR WITH LIMITED PERIPHERALS. IT IS A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT THAT IS LIGHTER THAN MOST, BUT NOT OVERLY IMPRESSIVE CAUSE 4070 ISNT GREAT
R U GONNA DELETE THIS TOO TH-cam U ARSE
delete test? is this okay? cool. dont comment
im just a crazy guy not an actual guy who spent weeks testing and having all the information you need to make an informed buying choice on the product. TOO BAD U CAN'T SEE ALL THE INFORMATION CAUSE I GET DELETED IF I CROSS TWO SENTENCES THAT DONT MAKE ME LOOK CRAZY
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Sorry you had trouble getting this comment out. Thanks for the info, I am definitely after something portable to take between work and home, otherwise a desktop would be my preference.
Do most people using this model experience this problem?
I personally don't think so, I just think I got unlucky. While there are users in the comments who have experienced similar issues, many of them haven't or have been able to resolve it.
I'm quite confident if I bought the laptop again I wouldn't have the same problem.
Man, I just got the intel one with the RTX 4060... I hope it doesn't give me any troubles....
I'm confident you'll be fine. I suspect mine just had a hardware issue but there are many happy owners of your laptop. Don't stress about it.
Unfortunately mine has the same issue. Lenovo is replacing it, let's see the new one
Can you give us an update? Cause I'm thinking of taking the same configuration as yours
I have 2022 legion slim 7i with 3060 .but my screen lid doesnt close properly and one side remains lifted. 😥
Any chance of it being covered under warranty?
I find that games that stutter on my 4070 laptop (Rog flow x16) also stutter on my 13900k 4090 desktop. Lies of P stutters on both, Doom Eternal is smooth on both, Code Vein stutters on both, Baulder's gate is smooth on both. I haven't tested every game I have, but I notice that the stutters are a bit more pronounced on the laptop in lower power modes, but they still happen in the same gameplay areas on my desktop. I think Unreal Engine games stutter the worst. Lies of P tries to compile shaders before gameplay but it still stutters a bit in places. Code vein will drop a ton of frames creating a hard hitch then go back up to my monitors max refresh rate.
That's useful to know. My Legion with a 2070 doesn't stutter with Lies of P at 1440p for some reason. There are a lot of mixed responses and experiences in the comments, it's hard to really nail what the cause of the issue is.
@@Payne. Have you tried disabling core isolation and virtual machine platform? I just read today that those can introduce stutters affecting 1% lows. I'm going to give it a shot on my laptop and report back.
@@yoitsmegabehey did it work bro? and which laptop do you have because i am confused between legion 5i pro and slim 7i
@@gurmukhsandhu9207 hey, Ive been messing around with settings. removing core isolation helped with lies of p but didn't completely remove frame time stutters. I think this is because of the CPU frequency jumping around and it only being a 6 core part. I think the HX is the full fat processor which the Lenovo laptops have. I'm running a Asus ROG flow x16 4070 laptop
@@gurmukhsandhu9207 so on my laptop, particularly on lies of p, lowering GPU boost to 5 watts completely eliminated the random stutters. I still get the one hitch up on entering a new area but that's the game engine not the hardware. it seems like some games just want consistent CPU frequency even though it's not using every core.
Where did you buy the laptop from and how did you get a refund on it even though you used it already??
Direct from Lenovo in Australia. I submitted it for a return due to the stuttering fault and they refunded my money.
@@Payne. Did you have to pay the 20% restocking fee? I plan on buying the more powerful pro 7i from them but im very worried about it😂😂
Im from aus too and im getting the rtx 4080 version so id be down $800 if i ever chose to return it
Nope, it was a fault I was able to prove, and they didn't charge me a restocking fee.@@鷹-n7u
Seems more like an optimization thing since cyberpunk runs smooth. Might just have to leave on performance anyways since this is a gaming laptop, not for lowering the power. Now if it stuttered doing normal stuff, then that’s a bigger problem. I’d just do a clean install and put only the necessary drivers and run windows update. Also, update the bios following that. Remove all bloatware and antivirus programs since Windows defender is sufficient nowadays.
@@corpuzone All really excellent suggestions and definitely ones I've tried prior to returning. The only reason I suspect it was a hardware issue is that my new Legion Slim 5 with a 4060 runs Cyberpunk even on Quiet Mode. It's not the best way to play of course but it works.
Hello, i just got the slim 7 i9 with an rtx 4070, my unit always turn the fan to max on Windows boot and in the bios but i dont know why
You could try turning off the turbo boost for the CPU but I personally don't think that should be required to get the fans to work correctly.
Too much compromise with the Slim Models. After watching and reading reviews for about two months waited for Black Friday week and I got my wife the Pro 5 7745HX/4070 model with 32gigs and its amazing. For the money which was about $1300 the only upgrade it'll need to stay at its full potential in another two years or so will just be updating the RAM from 32gigs to 64gigs which is the max for all the Graphic Design and Video Creation software.
There are definitely some compromises to be made, especially around heat dissipation. I have to say that my Legion Slim 5 (14") exceeds my expectations, it does run very very hot but doesn't seem to impact performance. The Legion 5 is definitely great value. Thanks for stopping by!
There are definitely some compromises to be made, especially around heat dissipation. I have to say that my Legion Slim 5 (14") exceeds my expectations, it does run very very hot but doesn't seem to impact performance. The Legion 5 is definitely great value. Thanks for stopping by!
I feel the same I'm so frustrated with this laptop.
Has something similar happened to you?
@@Payne. wow I think someone in the comments actually gave me the solution lol
That's great and absolutely what this video is about. If there is a solution I'd love to hear it.
I would really like the professionalism of a work station but none of them come with a gpu. do they?
does the igpu turn off or does it share like on a regular pc?. for pc it always shared if you monitor to the mobo. the "mux switch" is a physical plug. does the external monitor through hdmi run only on gpu? i like the sound tests but you gotta use a phone and leave the pc room to get the sense of the sound lol.
A lot of the Thinkpad line does..
I had no idea. I am like almost 40 I was looking around for a grown up version of a laptop with a gpu and they don't make em. lol. I thought. hahahaha@@Payne.
those options are always gimmicks just use the laptop on full blast. mode an stop using the crap bloatware. This review is silly
With that logic you might as well buy a desktop. These power and fan profiles exist so you can sacrifice performance for a reduction in fan noise and they do work on other models. If you check out my Legion Slim 5 14" video you'll see what I mean. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.
what specs did you have?
Hi. Gen 13 i9, RTX 4070 and 16GB.
Just take the glasses off and the problems you've been noticing will disappear completely in front of your bare eyes
🤷🏻♂️
That's the kind of high level problem solving we need around here.
You got a bad unit dude, just get it replaced.
I really hope so. Based on the comments there are a lot of users having similar experiences. What model do you have?
I had nothing but BAD experience from Lenovo laptop 😂
What was your experience?
Don’t clickbait. It’s your issue, not the laptop’s issue
Hey, thanks for commenting. I've provided a factual recount of my experience, my title tells you exactly what happened, I returned the laptop.
Additionally I get to the point every early on and if you watch the video to completion you'll see that I don't fully understand why it's happening.
If you read the comment you'll see I'm not alone. You'll also see many people who had this issue and resolved the problem for themselves.
There are far less hostile ways we can have a conversation about my experience. Do you own this model? What's your experience been like up to this point?
I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about or knows how to program a laptop settings. Out of the dozens of reviews on this laptop all of them being great and no issues. This guy sounds like a whiny Australian like the rest of them. I juat ordered this laptop and I'm sure I won't have any of these issues he's claiming. Maybe he has the only bad one in production🤷♂️
Ouch, pretty harsh don't you think? Not every laptop is perfect and sometimes you get a bad one in the batch. I'm confident your 7i will be fine and I really hope it is!
For clarity, you don't need to "program" a laptop out of the box. Yes you need to download drivers and ensure they are up to date but tweaking power settings using third party programs should not be a requirement to run games without hitches or stutters.
I have another video on the Legion Slim 5 where it works straight out of the box without any "programming". That's what I expected and that's what I got, I'm really happy with it.
Thanks for stopping by and joining the discussion, I genuinely hope you have a great experience with your Legion 7i and I strongly suggest you review the way you comment on videos in the future. Merry Christmas.
@Payne. it's not harsh at all. I've never seen someone nit pick so hard. People take reviews pretty serious especially in video format. If this guy had this many issues he should have sent it back for warranty. People do make choices based on reviews so it's very valuable. Good thing for me is I watched 20+ other youtubers review this laptop and didn't have any issues at all. Thats how I made my decision. This guy on the other hand can screw up alot of people's decision making because he had a bad experience which may not be that accurate of one.
Hey Derek, for clarity when you say “this guy”, you're talking about me. That's me in the video. I opted for a refund over a return and instead went for the Legion Slim 5i.
There are many people in the comments who have experienced the same problems I had, I'm not alone. There are also countless people who have zero issues, it's just the nature of mass-produced technology, not every batch will be perfect and to believe that this is “the only bad one in production” is unrealistic.
As you have said, there are more positive reviews out there which absolutely shows I am an outlier, I've never denied that in the comments. I'm not confident you watched the entire video and based on your comments above you seem personally attacked that I had a bad experience with a laptop you haven't even received yet! I genuinely hope everything works well out of the box.
Starting a comment belittling a person does not promote good conversation, once again I urge you to review the way you comment in the future. Have a great day.
@Payne. no I did watch the video fully and you can check that I did. It's not belittling at all when someone just makes a straight up negative video about a product based on your experience. If you had sent this laptop in or got it exchanged and did another review showing that it was just a bad batch of product then I would respect that but you didn't. You made a video critiquing all kinds of nonsense and didn't do the product any justice. Out of all the reviews on this laptop on TH-cam this is the only negative experience one and like I stated. Alot of peopel take reviews pretty serious and can persuade someone easily from not buying a good product based on a and review.
@@derekparisian2023 At the end of the day I made my choice for a refund over a return. The laptop was everything I was looking for but had a single major flaw that prevented me from enjoying my video games.
I've pinned this comment to the top for visibility so that others can join in and give their two cents.
Let me know how your 7i is once you receive it. All the best!
Hi @Payne, thank you so much for this honest video. It opened up my eyes to an issue which I at first thought it might just be my fuzziness, but it turns out I'm not alone.
I also have the Legion Slim 7 16, be it with the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS and RTX 4060 for that case, but I have the exact same issue with micro-stutters in almost all 3D games I have tested, even in just benchmarking with TimeSpy. I've tested with various games like Shadow and Rise of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2, GTA V, Guardians of the Galaxy. The only game where I did not notice any kind of visible stutters, was with Red Dead Redemption 2, funny enough.
I tried everything, like disabling AMD Platform Security and Microsoft Device Guard in the BIOS, overclocking the dGPU, custom Power profiles with max. settings, switching off tobii head tracking and RGB, etc. I've even added a 16GB SODIMM to the onboard 16GB with exactly the same speed and timings. Some things helped a little bit, but there was always some kind of stuttering. And I don't think it has something to do with thermal throttling, because my tests were done in a room at 13 C (55F) and the temps of the GPU seldom went above 60C and for the CPU 70C.
What made it even more obvious, was the fact that I had the opportunity to do the same testing on a Legion 5 slim 14 with the same Windows installation and GPU-drivers. With that laptop, there were absolutely no issues - and that was before even sawing your confirmatory video on the Slim 5!
And even if the RTX 4060 in the 5 slim 14 has a technically lower TDP of 100w + 15W Boost (vs 115W + 25W in the Slim 7 16), it had almost the exact same performance in gaming benchmarks. The Slim 7 only had a 300 points better score in TimeSpy with an excellent 11448 (vs 11145 on the Slim 5 14). I must say I'll much rather prefer a bit lower FPS with the smoothness of the Slim 5 than the choppier higher FPS of the Slim 7.
So you have absolutely gone the right way with Legion Slim 5 14! Thanks again for this honest review, because with 99% of other reviews about the Slim 7 I have looked at, they were sponsored either by Lonovo or Intel and I had the funny feeling they might have been biased and nobody else mentioned the possibility of micro-stuttering.
Thanks for taking the time to document your experience with such detail. It really doesn't seem like thermal throttling because it was apparent almost instantly. HWiNFO indicated everything was fine from a temps perspective.
Everyone in the comments are getting mixed results, some are fine and some experience stuttering. I'm really happy with the Slim 5i and despite that it runs incredibly hot under load it never seems to throttle.
Use custom mode, i set the custom mode, and im always using in that mode, not changing it, even gaming, silent and performance better than performance mode, confimred with time spy scores. No stutter also. One more thing you can use advanced optimus while switching to dgpu, no need to restart
What settings are you using in custom mode? This particular model (Gen 8) never showed Advanced Optimus in the NVIDIA Control Panel, even with the stock drivers from Lenovos support website. What model do you have?
@@Payne. i have the one with same specs like yours, only differnec is display i have 2560x1600 refresh rate 240hz, advance optimus automatically appearing in nvidia control panel, just selecting the nvidia gpu only and apply it. Custom mode settings: short term power limit 90w, long term 48w, cpu temp limit 98, long term cross loading 30w, pl1 tau 20, cpu to gpu dynamic boost 25w, gpu tgp 115w, gpu temp limit 87. processor power target in AC 45w, gpu to cpu dynamic boost 0. As for fan speed custom profile i keep rpm a lil higher in middle starting from 40% so that starting col gpu and cpu earlier while under load. Im using the machine for both work and gaming so far its good, i was using aorus b4 with rtx 2070 .
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate it and I'm glad it's working well for you!
@@Payne.The advanced Optimus option only shows up on the nvidea control panel when you are plugged in
Does it perform better than you old thinkpad work station?
Got no issues with Pro 7i with RTX 4080 🔥 that resolution you have is for content creation, not gaming.
Beast of a computer, congrats. Just for clarity the issue is present even at 1080p.
What games have you been playing?
i have similar but with 13900HX cpu. I had stuttering in windows but after removal pesky McAfee virus It actually runs very smoothly without any stuttering.
Also I did some heavy calculations and it actually works well with boosting P-cores to almost 4.8 GHz and that is impressive... Btw, only recently I have upgraded Vantage and it now works even better.
However, this laptop has issue with Ubuntu. It runs smoothly and so on but when I calculate something very heavy (regardless the mode) after awhile it drops to base frequencies (to 2.2 GHz) and calculates at such low frequencies with no spinning being like a quiet mode and cpu temps are low (50-55 degrees celsius), but again after awhile (it can any time, 5-30 min) it activates max speed and this continues.... when I bought it, it worked fine with constant max speed and loud sound from coolers and after awhile these performance cycles started. I do not understand what happened with laptop. Cannot find answers for 5 months...
Thanks for taking the time to document your issues. Do you have AI mode switched on in Vantage by any chance? I believe it impacts all fan modes, not just balanced.
Who uses mcafee?
So, a timely review on your part, and my stumbling into it. I picked up a Lenovo Legion Slim 7i here in Canada a couple of weeks back, as most of the games I play are e-sports titles and older RTS games. I figured the RTX 4070 would more than suffice for those, and this laptop was easy to pack along for my regular business travel. I found the same as you did, in that unless I was in performance mode, I was encountering micro-stutters, even with average FPS (CS2, Doom: Eternal) being in the 120-150 range at native 2560 x 1600 (high settins, no DLSS). I also did find that I had issues with the laptop having some performance issues even in productivity apps that were demanding (issues with MS Teams and large video conference calls leading to performance issues, that were only solved by jumping into Performance mode). That was even with an additional 32GB of 5600 MHz RAM installed, and the primary drive swapped for a Samsung 990 Pro 4TB. I had a chance to grab a heavily discounted Alienware X16 (RTX 4080), which isn't as "business friendly" as the Lenovo Legion Slim 7i, but I can just leave the Alienware X16 in Balanced mode the entire time, and have zero performance issues of any sort. I preferred the weight and less "gamery" look of the Lenovo Legion vs the Alienware, but between some consistent performance issues, and a couple of nagging quality issues on the Lenovo, it's getting returned tomorrow to Best Buy. It's too bad, as that Lenovo had lots of potential to be the ideal business / entertainment laptop for me.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed reply. It's nice to know I'm not alone! I've since reverted to a Legion with an RTX 2070, and I'm not enjoying stutter free gaming. Even Cyberpunk at 1440P with DLSS on works wonderfully.
I really do love the design and features of the Legion Slim 7i, and like you, it had the potential to be the best business/entertainment hybrid. Part of me thinks that if I order another one I won't face the same challenges but I'm not willing to take the risk.
Yeah I just returned my legion slim 7i as well
Any information on what the problem was? Did updating the drivers help? I am considering purchasing this laptop
Unfortunately I returned it as I ran out of ideas. There are some great suggestions from users in the comments.
@@Payne. Already bought it, upgraded everything I can and I'm pumping baldurs)
@@loveshd8287 Amazing! Enjoy BG3!
Do you think Legion Slim 7 AMD 4060 might not have the issue?
I'd do some research and read some forum posts on people's experiences. There are many people out there with my exact model who don't have issues so it's luck of the draw. All I can say is that the returns process in Australia was very easy.
I've bougth that version but it hasn't arrived yet.
From reviews I know that the Ryzen 7840HS need much less power and as a result the gpu can use this power.
Intel kinda sucks in efficiency in the current gen.
But as mentioned below it seems to be a nvidia driver issue and does effect other laptops. I expect this to be fixed if it's not fixed yet.
i had the slim 7 as well was a horror of issues with the display backlight failing three times the fan shorted out which led to thee laptop not turning on and it was a nightmare but lenovo was kind enough to offer me a refund and I got the gen 9 legion 7i which is going smoothly
I've just ordered this laptop right down to the per key lighting, i9 & 4070 and screen... I was aware of this video when I ordered so I'll be firing up Horizon when it arrives and assess it accordingly.
Amazing. I'm sure you'll be fine, there have been a heap of updates since I last owned it and I'm confident it will perform as expected. Regardless let me know how you go!
Hey, has your laptop arrived? What's the verdict?
@@Payne. Only just shipped! Had delay emails etc along with alot of other people after black Friday offers... Should be here sometime Monday 🥳
Awesome, I'm sure you'll be fine. I recently received the Legion 5 (14") and it's been great.@@Blank3k
@@Payne. Ahh nice, so micro stutters probably just unlucky then :) still waiting on mine! Seems it missed its flight but it's moving again now so hopefully tomorrow/Thursday!
I have the AMD 4060 32ram one, there is driver issue and stuffs, yeah nowadays new laptop, new hardware, we cant expect 100% flawless and smooth performance.
Agreed. There are some problems I can overlook, but those stutter issues were just too distracting. I'm not having any of those issues with the Slim 5 thankfully.
To fix stuttering, try turning off V sync and or G sync in in-game settings
Good thinking, unfortunately it didn't work for me. One recommendation is to turn off V-Sync in game and keeping it on in NVIDIA Control center.
my legion 7i pro 13900hx 4090 has microstutter as well its less in hybrid oddly enough but its due to the dpc latency which is quite high on latencymon. anything thats capped at 60 you'll be able to see it more. first noticed it in sonic mania cuz my ally and legion actually runs it smoother and dpc latency is also WAY lower on those devices so yeah thats whats causing it
This is the first time I've heard of DPV latency so thank you for bringing it to my attention. Is there anything that can be done about it?
@Payne.
I wanted to know how I can get the thermal infographics on my Legion like in this video. I got a new Legion Slim 7i Gen8 i9 13900H with Rtx 4070. This system seems to be running hot. I want to measure it for a reference.
That's GeForce Experience and pressing Alt+R on your keyboard. I would recommend using something like HWinfo or RivaTuner with Afterburner for better stats. You can see RivaTuner running in my Legion 5 video but it takes a bit to set up.
HWiNFO will be your best bet for checking temps. Mine ran very hot.
either you got a bad ram, or windows 11 OS is doing something on the background that cause stuttering.. turn off fast startup on system settings.. windows 11 has allot of stuttering issues when gaming
try updating the bios
Great advice! I spend a good two weeks trying to sort these issues out, and I jumped between Lenovos pre-packaged Windows 11 image and stock. Even a clean installation of Windows (with fast startup) turned off, still resulted in stutters.
Tried that, at the time of filming only one BIOS update was available. There is now a November 6 update, version JYCN52WW. I'm wondering if that may improve the Slim 7i performance?
Bro is using balance and quiet mode. These modes reduce the overall laptop consumption by lowering the GPU wattage by almost 30%. What did you expect? too run smoothly with 95W instead of 140w?
I'm curious to see if he actually has it in balance and quiet mode... and hasn't realized it hasn't turned off.
Thanks for commenting. I can assure you I've tested across all fan profiles and while your FPS will drop, you shouldn't be getting micro stutters. Those modes are designed to reduce fan noise at the cost of performance, not to make the games you're running unplayable.
There is a lot of additional testing I did that I couldn't cover in the video and I'd be happy to run everybody through every step I took to resolve the problem.
It's very easy to tell what fan mode you're in, if you're not paying attention to the light then you'll know by how loud it is! In saying that Balanced with AI mode on sounds very similar to Performance mode.
3200x200 is too high a resolution for a 4060 - even with dlss you're bound to run into 128bit memory bus issues once the cache buffers run is saturated. Just try 2560x1600 or 1920x11200 for a while, the stutters will disappear, and both these two resolutions are plenty for a 16-inch laptop. And I'm sorry, but you want games to run on balanced or even quiet? You're starving your CPU from way too much wattage to play recent games where different threads depend on others - hence the stutter.@@Payne.
I always play in balance or quiet on the legion 7 with rtx 2070, never micro stutterings. It might slow down, but micro stutterings shouldn't happen. Lenovo Laptops have a wide range of issues that is all too often connected to their Vantage software. They need almost always quite some tweaking until all runs smooth.
Macrostutters 😱
It's definitely some kind of stutter. They haunt my dreams.
Interesting, I got that machine and don't have this issue and I ike it very much as a replacement for my XMG 15 (with an GTX1660)
That's really good news. It makes me think mine has a hardware fault but many believe it's software related. It's a beautiful laptop, I hope you get many years out of it.
@@Payne. Btw, my machine came with the studio Nvidia drivers installed.
I've replaced them immediately with the gaming drivers.
Now I tested the studio ones.
These seem to have issues, like you mentioned, occasionally.
I went back to the game ready drivers.
All 👍🏼
@@edgargabriel6640 please tell me which drivers you replaced this way. Just the geforce game ready driver? Please also tell if you performed clean install or express install.
@@yusufahmed2233 Games ready only in clean install
@@edgargabriel6640 thanks for informing. I am going to buy it, but the video got me a little concerned, lol.
Dont have the slim version - but ppl have commented on some videos that they get stutter to.
Only thing I can recommend is updating drivers- from Vantage + BIOS then also keeping Nvidia up to date in Geforce Experience.
Lastly try turning on dGPU mode instead of hybrid optimus - then in BIOS you can also enable CPU Overclock - and UNDERCLOCK your CPU in Vantage which might help.
FINALLY - the last suggestion - is you can turn of CPU Power Boost which reduces heat/fan noise in Power Options - > Advanced - go to your power plan and go to CPU and turn off boosting.
These are all excellent tips. I have a Slim 14" on the way and will be sure to test this or if I run into trouble.
stuttering issues are becouse of the bloatware instaled on the machine not the power draw of it. For Example you do not need Lenovo Vantage or Gforce Experience , those are bloatware apps that slow donw the machine , who knows what else you got in there. use a debloater to debloat windows and close down ussles apps and the stutters will 100% dissapear.Lenovo are great laptops , never had any issues with them ever.
Unfortunately this issue was present with stock Windows 11, no Vantage and no GFE using the NVIDIA drivers from the Lenovo support site. I'm sure your comment will help others though.
@@Payne. the video shows the fps counter using Nvidia Ansel , that does not work whitout GFE , even more so nvidia drivers provided by the lenovo site are outdated AT LEAST 3 or 4 driver generations , lenovo vantage was shown in the video too . All these bloatwares combined slow down the machine at least 20% . When making a rewiev of a laptop/PC , its basic knowladge that one must use the latesed drivers and sofware provided and that does not mean only from the support site, most of them are months outdated.
@@Worfalak@Worfalak As explained in other comments I haven't shown every single scenario tested. If I had the video would be hours long.
What I'm saying is that I HAVE tested it using your suggested scenario. I'm not trying to dupe anyone here, I wish it worked. It just didn't work using the different software configurations I tried which leads me to believe that in my specific model, hardware may be the problem.