What I find most upsetting in this video is learning that a full compression results in rear wheel rub. That is a troubling design flaw, imo. Are you using extra plump tires? Or did you put an out-of-spec shock on? If not, that just shouldn't happen.
Yeah there is a few upsides like you mentioned about no handers and pushing with only the seat but I agree that the cons outweigh the pros in terms of noise and maintenance and pros losing the ability to bar spin. ❤
A little bit late to the party. We have 2025, and you talking about stuff that happend 4 years ago. 2022 bike media, and youtube made thousand of reviews to the KIS-system. And the overall opinion is, that has a positive effect on the bikehandling, but it is not a must have. Why didnt you watch or read one of the thousand reviews before making your own opinion. you didnt understood what the KIS-system is for. There are sooooo much inovative systems every year. All have good effects and heve great reviews. Offset bushings/flip ship, high pivot bikes, ethirteen Sidekick, elektric sram eagle XO, O-chain, chain wax, high raise bars and stem, schwalbe radial tires, mass dampers ....... Most of them add more moving parts. But the bike industrie rarely picking up new things because the customers are always sceptical. And thats ok. But why hating something you didnt look into.
Canyon makes Bullshit claims about the KIS system. The inventor of KIS Jo Klieber has a more in depth explanation on what it's actualy supposed to do. The main effects are: - helping a flopped wheel return to its original center postion by assisting in lifting the rider + bike's weight - creating a feel for what the rear wheel is doing in relation to the front The first aspect is more relevant for bikes with slack head angles, as wheel flop generally get worse. This way you can have the benefits of a slack HA while minimizing its drawbacks. The second effect is noticeable on loose terrain or when going fast. It gives a sensation for when the wheel starts to slip and some claim that it helps to navigate truns faster. Why Canyon would spec KIS on their current bikes is questionable, but it not fair to say that the technology is irrelevant, especially when you didn't do any research. The stabilizing effect is minimal compared to the forces that the rider puts into the handlebars and the effects form fork trail. Still, with more refinement this technology could prove interesting for some cases.
More german bs, just like the acros headsets, ignore them and let them go bankrupt, and has for the canyon support, well they are the reason why I'm not getting another canyon, because the bike in general was decent but the support wrecked the experience
I build one for my own because I am an engineer and see the the advantages. Riding it for almost 2 years now.
The quintessential "Solution in search of a problem". The _last_ thing I want on a sketchy trail is steering that fights against me.
It's ironic that something using "KIS" as its acronym is adding more complexity to the bike's component profile. 😂
What I find most upsetting in this video is learning that a full compression results in rear wheel rub. That is a troubling design flaw, imo.
Are you using extra plump tires? Or did you put an out-of-spec shock on? If not, that just shouldn't happen.
Yeah there is a few upsides like you mentioned about no handers and pushing with only the seat but I agree that the cons outweigh the pros in terms of noise and maintenance and pros losing the ability to bar spin. ❤
Couldn’t agree more
A little bit late to the party. We have 2025, and you talking about stuff that happend 4 years ago.
2022 bike media, and youtube made thousand of reviews to the KIS-system.
And the overall opinion is, that has a positive effect on the bikehandling, but it is not a must have.
Why didnt you watch or read one of the thousand reviews before making your own opinion. you didnt understood what the KIS-system is for.
There are sooooo much inovative systems every year. All have good effects and heve great reviews.
Offset bushings/flip ship, high pivot bikes, ethirteen Sidekick, elektric sram eagle XO, O-chain, chain wax, high raise bars and stem, schwalbe radial tires, mass dampers .......
Most of them add more moving parts.
But the bike industrie rarely picking up new things because the customers are always sceptical. And thats ok.
But why hating something you didnt look into.
yeah I agree and what if you want to do barspins ?
you dont do barspins on a mountainbike. you thinking of another sport.
Canyon makes Bullshit claims about the KIS system. The inventor of KIS Jo Klieber has a more in depth explanation on what it's actualy supposed to do. The main effects are:
- helping a flopped wheel return to its original center postion by assisting in lifting the rider + bike's weight
- creating a feel for what the rear wheel is doing in relation to the front
The first aspect is more relevant for bikes with slack head angles, as wheel flop generally get worse. This way you can have the benefits of a slack HA while minimizing its drawbacks. The second effect is noticeable on loose terrain or when going fast. It gives a sensation for when the wheel starts to slip and some claim that it helps to navigate truns faster.
Why Canyon would spec KIS on their current bikes is questionable, but it not fair to say that the technology is irrelevant, especially when you didn't do any research. The stabilizing effect is minimal compared to the forces that the rider puts into the handlebars and the effects form fork trail. Still, with more refinement this technology could prove interesting for some cases.
Yet more crap we didnt ask for nor do we need it.
More german bs, just like the acros headsets, ignore them and let them go bankrupt, and has for the canyon support, well they are the reason why I'm not getting another canyon, because the bike in general was decent but the support wrecked the experience