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Yo he encontrado la forma de encontrar episodios completos dónde puedo aclarar algunas escenas que no contenplaba antes.Por ejemplo esta escena es importante, puesto es la primera vez que Elizabeth y Nathan los veo así,y la buena conexión que reflejan.
Totally agree with how you analyzed the “hand holding”.....at first, I thought it was a gesture of pure love or some sign that it was advancing their relationship but the more I watch this, I felt Nathan held her hands as a gesture of comfort to Elizabeth in a loss that they commonly shared (something that probably all of us have done at a Memorial Service to a grieving family member or friend).....it was his way of saying “I understand/share your pain, your loss, your emptiness without Jack”....this was a bonding moment for the two of them because this is something that only the two of them can understand....yes, this is the ultimate step of the healing process for Elizabeth....love the way you said it.....forgiveness....grace....accepting that things happen in life that we don’t always understand but we must still learn to more forward with hope and courage.....this was a necessary scene to help Elizabeth grow as a person and move on without Jack....as always, so enjoy your Scene Analysis videos!
I absolutely agree with your comment. This was an important and beautiful scene. S11 Has been awesome seeing them come together as a couple. There connection is deep. They share a painful history with regards to Jack's death. They had a friendship where they shared what's important to them deep from their hearts. Oh and they were all ready parenting together given each other advice with regards to their children. Their friendship (while Elizabeth had moved on with Lucas) is lovely, but it is was more than friendship. Nathan knew how Elizabeth felt about him. Remember in S8 when Nathan said, "Elizabeth I know you feel the same way." after Nathan had declared his love for Elizabeth. Elizabeth didn't deny it. SHE simple said, "I can't." She doesn't want to lose him the way she lost Jack. That is why Nathan chose to remain "friends" with Elizabeth. So, she could get to know him better as a man and hopefully overcome her fears. She may have been dating Lucas, but Nathan wasn't giving up.Team Lucas just didn't want to admit it. Nathan may have given up after Elizabeth became engaged to Lucas. He tried to move on with other women, but was unsuccessful because he loved Elizabeth still. S9 you could see Nathan's hurt when he interacted with Elizabeth. He was quite sarcastic with her at times.. This was out of pain and grief over Elizabeth choosing Lucas. Elizabeth started having doubts about Lucas we saw her admitting that at Jack's grave. Then Lucas ran for governor. She had doubts about moving to Capital city. Nathan saw this and knew she was having doubts because of the friendship they have with each other. Nathan called her out in that beautiful scene in the church/school house in S10 where Nathan said, "Elizabeth, what do you want?" Elizabeth breaks up with Lucas shortly afterwards. I call Elizabeth and Nathan's relationship the upside down romance because Nathan declared he loved Elizabeth in S8 and they hadn't even dated yet. Then Nathan chose to be Elizabeth's "friend." They were giving advice about each others kids to each other basically parenting together. Now we are on S11 and we are getting this gentle Love Comes Softly approach to a romantic relationship between Nathan and Elizabeth. I think they will date and marry at some point. We will get a beautiful marriage and blended family with this couple.
Thank you! I thought it interesting that she seemed to bring her hands to him willingly, there was no need for him to try and grab them from her awkwardly. Given how tentative she always seems touching Lucas’s hands I was happy to see her so open to Nathan’s touch.
That's what I said after the episode! She didn't hesitate unlike she did with Lucas, which yes that partly could have been that it was more of a comfort thing rather than romantic, but still! It shows that she's more comfortable with Nathan.
@@katelynthornburg5704 I think people are actually taking that hand holding out of context. As I had already commented, she could not pull away because that would imply that she really had not forgiven Nathan.
I don’t think so- they felt connected in that moment. And we see no discomfort or awkwardness during that moment, no tension that would indicate that she felt obligated to let him take her hands
I think that Nathan’s deep breath at the end was simply a sigh of relief. In that moment, with that sigh, he was finally letting go of his pain, thanks to Elizabeth. I’d been waiting for you to do a breakdown of this scene, and enjoyed it very much, and think you were spot on! This scene had to happen for both to move on from their grief. Personally, I think this beautiful scene of redemption is the most beautiful and moving scene, to this point, of THE WCTH SERIES! Thank you for this lovely breakdown!
I was in stitches when i saw Bill, it was so funny!!! It was if he was saying, 'Here we go' i was looking at N and E and it was no gooey eyes or nothing, it was a sincere moment when she acknowledged that she now understands all the Nathan was feeling and had to let him know that. All his previous hesitations and false-starts to talk and shyness to her all made sense. She will not go to home because both of them are hurting and she feels obligated, it is that she for the very 1st time sees Nathan. Now that burden is off Nathan we will see a stronger and more confident man without any guilt.
This assessment is awesome! Your comments help us understand their emotions and realize what great actors they are. There is nothing like forgiveness! Nothing. Not only for the person being forgiven but for the person that is forgiving. Life is just too short to carry around hate, anger or bitterness. Forgiveness is a beautiful reflection of our Heavenly Father's love.
First, Lucas is shooting himself in the foot by trying to “work this out” with Nathan. Second, I’m sure Bill has been trying to stay out of the situation out of respect for Elizabeth. He knows she doesn’t want others meddling and telling her what to do. Third, Nathan’s last few interactions with Elizabeth have been very tense, so I’m sure he’s expecting more of the same. Finally, when Elizabeth tells him she doesn’t blame him, he’s in disbelief, because he hasn’t forgiven himself. Her statement helps him on the road to forgive himself, and he’s also relieved that she’s no longer angry. The hand holding is a product of the depth of their connection in that moment, but Lucas can only see his own motives and is probably thinking “but I just told him he shouldn’t pressure her and this is what he does???” I love when you analyze scenes! ***I just rewatched (again) and noticed Elizabeth LOOKS DOWN as Nathan is taking her hands! She’s not only letting him hold them, she’s fully aware of his intent beforehand and allows it. Nathan’s deep breaths are probably a combination of his relief that Elizabeth doesn’t blame him, being able to start letting go of the emotional burden of Jack’s death, and trying to keep his emotions under control. Men didn’t cry back then. (And a tiny bit of disbelief that he’s holding Elizabeth’s hands. 😍)
Yes! I actually think Nathan has forgiven himself already for replacing Jack- it doesn't seem like he's still struck by that (at least I didn't get that feeling from watching) but I'm certain he was feeling horrible about not being honest with Elizabeth and just telling her. He felt guilty about how she felt about it. and oh my gosh! Bill! Remember when he wanted to investigate who got her those flowers! Lol. I think he has been watching them this whole time. Agree, his deep breath probably was this letting go of a burden.
Omg I love what you said about Elizabeth knowing full well what his intention is in that moment to take her hands. I didn’t catch that and then I rewatched and freaked out again!!! That is amazing! Good eye! And I think you might be right. I don’t think he’s forgiven himself yet. But he’s on the path to do so. I remember when he was stating his last words at his trial and expressing sorrow for all the women who have lost their husbands in the line of duty. It seemed that statement was a little heavy for him and it was like all he wanted to do was fix what happened with Jack. I also think what he’s coming to realize that it’s not out of a sense of duty anymore when it comes to protecting and watching out for Elizabeth and little Jack. It’s because he knows that all that Jack would want for her is someone to love her as much as he did, and to take care of her in a way that he never got the chance to.
@@thelittlescenes1185 I have no doubt that Bill will be toasting to them at their wedding and having a speech somewhat like Abigail’s at Elizabeth and Jack’s wedding. Heehee!!!
Yeah, I was hoping you would do this scene! Nice work. I love the connection they share at the end of this. I nearly cried at this scene. Even if Elizabeth chooses Lucas now I'm so happy she extended that grace and healing to Nathan, it is so important. I was so happy this moment happened. I think the deep breaths they had here were letting off stress, finding relief, and trying to contain the deep emotions they were feeling. It had to be a huge relief for them both. I'm so happy she finally spoke kindly to Nathan. Thanks for the video!
I agree that the sigh was an expression of relief and that allowing Nathan to hold her hands was simply a reassurance that she had forgiven him and that they could be friends.
I think so- she’s a good person and I guess when you give so much advice it makes you think and then you might even adjust things in your life according to it. I think she saw Nathan’s frustrated face and he didn’t acknowledge her because she had been ignoring him- which is so sad considering their deep friendship -and his pain pierced her heart because all the advice giving had softened it already.
Once again, amazing analysis! 👏👏👏 This scene had me so stressed out the first time I watched it. Nathan has amazing self control to just walk away from Lucas (who was completely wrong and out of line in that conversation - he says the "perfect" thing in the moment, then does the opposite so often). But when Elizabeth tapped Nathan on the shoulder, I thought she was going to tell him she is seeing Lucas and still can't give him what he wants or something...and you could see the apprehension on Nathan's face. His emotion when she said she didn't blame him for Jack's death got me right in the ❤ and gave me all the feels. What a sweet, healing and bonding moment for them. Now we need her to realize she loves him so we can get some real 🔥🔥🔥
You do such an amazing job with these, and they help relieve some of my tension in processing the episodes afterwards! Can't see them ending up anyplace else after so many powerful moments this season. Also, had to double back on Lee's love look when I watched the episode, so I'm glad you mentioned it here. 😂❤️
Wonderful analysis and I couldn't agree more with what you said! This was about absolution and not romance. The bond they share needed desperately to be completed with the joining of their hands. It was such a moving moment ! Thanks!
Alright, time for deep thoughts. First, I want to point out the music. Whenever there is an emotional moment of victory we hear a trumpet, but we only hear it with a Mountie (Jack and Nathan), or when it's with Elizabeth and her true love (Jack for sure and possibly[hopefully] Nathan). Second, the hand holding. This is the first time since Jack that Elizabeth has willingly and accepting, let another man reach for her hand and she consent by raising hers to meet it. Whenever she holds hands with Lucas she was the one to initiate the contact, like a skttish animal has to willingly lay itself in a humans lap rather than the human pick it up. Elizabeth has been skittish around Lucas because she feels like he is reaching for her with all of his gifts, but Nathan draws her simply by being who he is.
@@thelittlescenes1185 I used the word electrifying to describe the scene between Elizabeth and Nathan decorating the Christmas tree but magnetic works too. When they were friends or when she was treating him like dirt( this season), she just seems to drawn to Nathan by some magnetic force.
This has been the one thing holding back both Elizabeth and Nathan. Nathan felt guilt over Jack taking his place and falling in love with Jack’s widow. And Elizabeth knew that Nathan was hiding something from her. Now this obstacle is gone, they are free. That elephant in the room has been removed.
I love Nathan. I like that he didn’t engage in further conversation with Lucas. I understand how Lucas used the opportunity to tell Nathan to back off but Nathan actually has not done anything to pressure Elizabeth. Elizabeth, please wake up!!!!!! My heart was pounding when she asked him to step outside. The deep breath at the end could be relief because she’s forgiven him? I really hope this ends with these two. In my mind Nathan is endgame but so much anxiety!!
For the first time, I was really annoyed at Lucas--I feel like he used Allie as an excuse. Nathan just adopted her...how dare he act like he is more concerned about her than Nathan is. He is concerned that he is losing his hold on Elizabeth.
I wondered wether Elizabeth had overheard Lucas and Nathan talking to each orher. The connection between Elizabeth and Nathan is wonderful.Come on you two please be together they make a good team❤
@@alicepahler7610 I was like how dare Lucas give Nathan advice about Allie. Nathan made it very clear to his father, Allie's father, and Elizabeth in the woods during the field trip that raising Allie is his number one priority.
Thank you for another great analysis! You are spot on! Nathan and Elizabeth have a special bond! It will always be there and now they both know it! Nathan will the one! They belong together!❤️❤️
I love your videos because at this point in series 8 I just need this incredibly detailed analysis. You’re my new best friend! I appreciate how you have noted the moment the BURDEN was lifted from Nathan and we can actually see it happening and I say the hand holding is to commemorate this healing in an almost ceremonial way. Healing for them both. One thing I notice is that in the final frame, It looks to me like she is gripping his hands just as tightly as he is gripping hers. Even more notable is that she remains locked in eye contact with him as the contact lengthens. One question: Did you catch was Nathan was saying exactly to Bill as Eliz interrupted him?
Awww this is THE BEST thing to hear! ❤️😂🥰THANK YOU. I agree she’s definitely holding on just as tight and I didn’t write about the eye contact because the video was already too long- but they’re both just looking at each other and staying in connection, no one is fleeing the scene (AT LAST). I don’t think I caught it since the first time I heard “now they are married. I’ve been in this town for 3 years and I” and the second time I heard “I was married. I’ve been in this town for 3 years” lol and I seriously doubt that Nathan was married. Sooooo.....what did you hear??
@@thelittlescenes1185 I think I saw a post somewhere where someone turned on the captions on their tv set for that scene and the caption said something like I want to get married... I've been here for 3 years... think I'll try that... lol
Loved it!! Once again you are spot on and I was so excited to see this. I’m very glad I discovered your channel. I would love you to do one on the scene in church where she fiddles with the rings and looks right as they speak of patience and kindness and love doesn’t keep a record of wrongs. I think it’s part of what led to this scene.
And in that scene Lucas and Elizabeth were quite stiff and each had there hands together Elizabeth with her rings and Luc a s wringing his, whereas Nathan arms open, relaxed, smiling then he and Allie holding hands.
Well... I think that Lucas has every right to feel insecure because when he want to kiss her in the rain which would have been so romantic, she backed off and I think any other man would think, do I really want to pursue this woman anymore. But then again this is Hallmark and he has to portray the character that they want him to be in this movie
In an interview, Kevin & Chris talked about this season throwing some curveballs (my term, not theirs. I’m sure they had a much more elegant term). It looked like she was leaning towards Nathan in the first couple episodes and then it was Lucas, I have to hope it moves back to Nathan one more time. Love these two together!!!
So happy to see this video :) with all they have gone through this season, I can’t imagine a scenario where she doesn’t pick Nathan. I wish it was a 2 hour episode next week so we’d just see the end already!
We're doing viewing parties for the last two episodes, maybe with prizes for who guesses what happens correctly, like who is missing, whats happening with Rosemary, whether or not there is a PDA with Elizabeth, and if so WHO is it with 🤣🤣🤣
I think you’re pretty spot on with your comments during this sing. I’ve heard people make comments about their holding hands it was it as intimate as Lucas and Elizabeth. If there was such a genuineness to that so I disregard their comments. I believe Nathan was breathing hard because I think he was so relieved I have to carry that burden for three years and I believe he was excited to be that close to the woman he loves. I recall back to the I love you scene, And I believe Nathan is happy to be standing in front of him holding the hand and looking into the eyes of the woman he loves ❤️❤️❤️
That deep breath, to me signifies relief that they finally made it over this hump of stress and sort of non-friendship type connection. She ignored him for the longest time, but what I loved about his part was that he didn’t push her at all. He wanted more than anything to talk to her about this and try to get through it together, but he also knew that this was huge news about her husband and his untimely death. She needed time to process it before she could speak to him again. He was patient and it paid off in the long run. She finally spoke to him, which is definitely why he stuttered because he wasn’t expecting her to talk to him, at least not at this shindig. But she not only talked to him, she told him she didn’t blame him for Jack’s death. This was the salvation he needed. For a long time, he struggled. He probably couldn’t look at Elizabeth without thinking on what happened to Jack for a long time. But his heart got in the way and I think it became a little easier for him since he was falling in love with her. But then it probably made it all the more harder because he still hadn’t told her about it. Omg! This is such a huge turning point for them! I loved this scene so dang much! When he took her hands and she let him…. I wanted to swoon and faint dead on the floor! If that happened because of him taking her hands, I can’t imagine what a kiss will do… I am so excited to see more next week!
@@singingal17 I just saw on a preview that the last episode is titled "The Kiss"--so a kiss is going to happen...let's just pray it is with Elizabeth and Nathan!
@@alicepahler7610 Well someone is going to need CPR whether it's team Nathan or Team Lucas. It's rather frustrating, We all want to see the kiss but then it's the end of the season. PS go team Lucas!!!
I could not wait for your analysis on this one because I think this might be my favorite ever Nathan and Elizabeth scene... so far 😉 ♥️♥️♥️ I just think they’ve come so far and this scene is vulnerable and caring on a whole new level between both of them. I genuinely didnt know what was going to happen the whole time, the tension was so intense. And when Nathan got visibly choked up, I almost lost it. And MAN I missed vulnerable and caring Elizabeth but it looks like she’s on her way back!!! 🥰 THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS!
^ and to add to that, you said pure, and I couldn’t think of a better word to describe the scene. It felt healing, loving and pure between them. Very special
I thought Nathan looked a bit apprehensive as he followed her out. He might have been remembering the last time she wanted a meaningful discussion with him by the creek where she ended up telling him, “I can’t.”
This was wonderful! I figured something was going to happen, but didn’t expect this! I thought maybe Nathan would ask Elizabeth to dance, but no one did!🤷♀️ Her courage to take him aside was perfect! Thank you for your analysis! Loved it!
@@patriciak5702 He probably was, especially since Lucas just told him to quit pressuring her. Where does he get off saying that anyway. Nathan has been great in leaving her along to process everything.
Did anyone hear what Nathan said before Elizabeth came up and tapped him? “I think it’s time I get married I’ve been here three years” Also it was such a beautiful moment between them!
@@thelittlescenes1185 same here! I have been waiting all day for your analysis. As they say, it only takes one seed of doubt to plant worry-this episode is a HUGE turning point for Nathan and Elizabeth in the positive direction and I am more confident than ever.
You know what I think might happen though- after seeing the preview and Elizabeth feeling guilty about Lucas feeling jealous, she might draw back from Nathan once again and they might give TL some hope (last red herring) but then in ep12 she’ll choose him for good.
@@thelittlescenes1185 YES! Precisely. I keep on thinking “Quit Playing Games With My Heart” (!!) but then I remember they’re (writers) doing it on purpose…it’s their job! And because I occasionally am feeling pangs of worry, I’d say they’re doing a heck of a job! But yes. Love the last red herring thought you made. Yesssss. There’s just Way. Too. Much. supporting evidence for Elizabeth and Nathan (storytelling, character development, etc.) for it not to go in their favor!
@@thelittlescenes1185 I think that too. I think some more truth will come next week about what Nathan has endured both with the trial ( would love to have bill tell her what Nathan said at enquiry about serving honorably) and about what Dylan put him through to save Ally and protect little Jack. I think Nathan won’t take things for granted either or assume anything which will further help. I think next week we are really going to see healing for everyone and dally together about Rosemary and the businessman that’s up to no good. I think she will give Lucas some comfort but things will be changed. She won’t want to rush and hurt Nathan anymore until she is sure.
Beautiful analysis, like your previous ones. Thank-you for sharing with us. This is such a powerful scene, and about time too. It has been a long road to get here.
Your in-depth analysis is so welcomed and appreciated because, I will speak for myself... it helps me to delve much deeper into what has really happened and what’s happening. I have to rewatch to get some of the things you highlight because I missed it first time around. So thank you for this. You do a wonderful job 👏👏♥️
Lucas has it all wrong Nathan has been nothing but respectful of Elizabeth. Throughout this whole situation yes he has been honest with her about his feelings. And given how things went between the secert he was carrying to protect her with good intentions. He sought out to be completely honest with Elizabeth given he sees how not being honest hasn't been good for there whole realtionship. He wants Elizabeth to know no matter what goes on that he loves her completely already he knows. And that's so amazing and so just admirable of him it only makes me love him and his character more so. But ever reaction they have had so far out from him telling her he loved her the first time. Has been completely on Elizabeth she comes to him he is allowing her to process her feelings. And that indicates he does not want to pressure here into anything once so ever. And another thing since Lucas is so concerned why hasn't he made it clear to Elizabeth yet how he feels about her. He has been doing all these grand gestures but come on what's your real motive here anyways? Why haven't you told Elizabeth that you love her or to some agree just directly you really care about her deeply or voiced your feelings. Why hasn't that conversation never happens it should have already happened at this point.
I waited eagerly for your body language analysis, thank you for doing it. I read it mostly like you. I think Elizabeth finally realized what a "Hypocrite" she is! She tells everyone to give love another chance and how the future throws curveballs, but life goes on, and the greatest joy can be missed if you don't take a chance! The lightbulb finally came on in speaking with Katie. Elizabeth has been in love with Nathan for a while, and is very comfortable with Nathan, not with Lucas! Even when she is with Lucas, you could see she wasn't completely comfortable. It reminds me of the time she went home when her mother was sick, and Charles was always around making his moves. Elizabeth never looks at her wedding ring when she's with Nathan, and does when she's with Lucas. Elizabeth usually walked around the prison and would strike up conversations with Nathan. Lucas always got stuff for the library to get Elizabeth's attention. Elizabeth willingly raises her hands towards Nathan when he moved towards her, then they had intimate eye contact for a while! I have been frustrated with Elizabeth's hypocrisy!
To a certain extent. People married to police officers, soldiers, or firefighters and loose them in the line of duty, the majority will marry someone in the same profession. Elizabeth who gives everyone advise about hearing others out and not jumping to conclusions shows her true colors, not only with Nathan, but her best friend Rosemary.
Pain & grief make you fickle; And it is all about me attitude. It takes the Holy Spirit to enlighten our eyes and reveal what is really going on in your Soul..Emotions and Will is a bear and will hold control you unless you choose life and not spiritual death. I have no doubt that Elizabeth wants to do what best for her and little Jack. Nathan😀
I meant for Elizabeth telling Nathan she didn’t blame him for Jack’s death.. When he reached for her hands she didn’t hesitate one bit. Hope, hope, hope....❤️❤️❤️
@@thelittlescenes1185 Just like you said "Yup", when Elizabeth ignored what Lucas was saying when she saw Nathan riding Newton past the school, I laughed so hard at "shook" my daughter came running down stairs to see what I was laughing at.
Another thing that I noticed was after she said she didn’t blame him, there was shock and relief and emotion! It looked like he was going to cry!!!!! I love him!!!! Kevin is a fantastic actor, omg! Something that you said about Lucas’ and Nathan’s conversation… yeah it totally was NOT about Allie!! She was just an escape goat to justify Nathan staying away from Elizabeth!!! Coward! I’m sorry, but it had to be said. Back to being nice…
I've been waiting for this vid since the ep last night. LOVE your videos. I've almost never been more excited for a WCTH ep than I am for next weeks, and I've been watching since Season 1. I feel like things are really going to change between Elizabeth and Nathan... finally!!
@@thelittlescenes1185 I really hope so but I’m so scared that they’ll use this to say she’s forgiving him to put jack behind her and fully commit to Lucas. That would be horribleeee but I could see them doing that 😣😣😣
I don’t see it at all. Just look at the infirmary scene and now this scene as opposed to her closest moments with Lucas...no one gives up a story about Nathan & Elizabeth for a story about Lucas & Elizabeth. It wouldn’t make sense
I'm still amazed that Lucas thinks Nathan is "pressuring" Elizabeth when so often she seeks him out. I loved this analysis and I think we will see the tides turning in Nathan's favor now..
Well, since Elizabeth won't speak up and tell him she is in a relationship with Lucas...Lucas has no choice but to do it himself. He is really getting desperate, I think.
@@alicepahler7610 important point you made here. "Elizabeth is not telling Nathan that she is in a relationship with Lucas". That speaks volume. She seems to be in a relationship with Lucas but can't leave Nathan alone. Sorry, Lucas supporters, I think she might want to be with Nathan. Maybe she wishes she could marry them both🤣
Maybe the deep breath at the end could mean that he's nervous about what her next move could be...? He doesn't know, even though she's forgiven him, if she will be able to open her heart to him.
Loved it ...so important this scene...only way they can move on and become a couple...out of the ashes of Jack's death comes new love and new beginnings
I love that the aspect of healing of hearts is foremost in these last 2 episodes. Both N and E were carrying burdens of guilt(N) and loss(E). It takes someone who is actually going through similar or have been through it to feel and understand the hurt if that person. The pain, sorrow and relief on Nathan's face as she said those words was epic. I know we are running after the romantic focus of the picture but look at the show's focus of forgiveness, love of another person and being able to release someone from their hurt and see them set free. I am Team Nathan but this last episode had more meaning to me than what the end result would be.
@ gail price, you said it very very well. For me, as well, not just abt storylines of love, romance or fun in HV...foremost is the life lessons of forgiveness, grace and compassion that each role brings to us, listeners, watchers and fans! Good heartfelt, realistic pains we go through as humans req humility and redemption - Christian values and goodness, they share through their roles is great! NOT ONLY Great actors they are - but also great persons in real lfe, from what I hear from Erin, become great friends - family on and off the show!! WCTH is unique series in their ensemble of storytelling!! HM, More Season please!💖💖🙏
I get confident and then worried again. But, I can't see the season starting out with Elizabeth telling Nathan she can't be with him because she's afraid she'd lose him. Not to mention she said if she stays she won't be able to leave. That isn't a woman without feelings. I can't imagine this "Afraid to lose someone I love" being a central theme in the story just for her to choose Lucas who she clearly isn't afraid to lose, or she wouldn't be with him. Elizabeth gave advice she, herself could not take. I can't see that as something so ongoing for her to only end up with Lucas. I think the choice was made when she said "I can't be with you for fear of losing you," because that just shows she needs to learn to grow. It isn't an appropriate reason to not be with someone.
She fought loving Jack for fear of losing him, too. If she had never married him, she wouldn't have little Jack. Losing Jack was her greatest sorrow, but having his son was her greatest joy. I hope she realizes it's time to follow her own advice and live for today.
I am very worried because of all the TL comments I see elsewhere but I just had a thought....The triangle HAS to end with Elizabeth and Nathan otherwise the story wouldn’t make sense. TL people claim that the show shouldn’t take the “obvious”/“classic” route and pick Lucas but that wouldn’t make sense. In my opinion, the reason Nathan seems like the “obvious” choice is because we have been SHOWN signs that make that so. We have seen the intense interactions between Elizabeth and Nathan that shows us Elizabeth has strong feelings for him. If Lucas was meant to be the choice, then there would be no triangle because he’s clearly perfect: he’s generous, thoughtful, rich, educated, handsome, has things in common with Elizabeth I.e. books, is helping her publish her book, does the romantic gestures perfectly, is patient, is respectful, says all the right things, doesn’t have a dangerous job/is not a Mountie...etc. If Elizabeth didn’t feel more strongly for Nathan, there would be no question. No triangle. Nathan’s presence could’ve been a slight hiccup (mini triangle) if he had actually actively pursued Elizabeth in the beginning (like Rosemary or Charles). But he never did. Elizabeth continuously sought him out. Elizabeth’s heart is clearly with Nathan and the show is called When Calls the Heart for goodness sake! The only way this makes sense is if Elizabeth chooses Nathan. The “formula” is there for a reason! We have to be able to follow the heroine’s thought process. In some “predictable” stories, they make the character that’s not chosen clearly wrong for the main character so that the audience doesn’t feel bad for them. WCTH has not done that part and this choice makes the show more entertaining and that fact I think is the “unpredictable” part. The “unexpected” choice, however, would only make sense if we were watching a psychological thriller. What do you think??
I think unexpected choices are too risky for a show like this. It is what you would do in a movie that only lasts 2 hours, MAYBE. But definitely not in a series like this with long running success
But before season 8 began, in interviews, the actors said there were going to be a lot of twists and turns and this is the first time I have really seen Nathan and Elizabeth together in anything other than sparing. Here we are at the next to last episode and it's been Lucas all along. Personally, I'm going to cry if it's not Lucas.
Thanks for this! Amazing job and great job pointing out that Lucas didn't really want to fix the situation for Allie, he wanted Nathan to back down and stop creating his own discomfort in the fact Elizabeth seems to be waivering away from him. Lucas is no longer secure and he is showing his hand a bit. Also, This year hands and hand holding means something.... Elizabeth pulled back in public when Lucas tried at first then later L and E walked hand and hand... We have seen Elizabeth play with her ring alot and in this episode they really did focus during the wedding scene on two things... Lucas and Elizabeth, each with their hands in the lap, and Nathan and Allie holding hands in solidarity. Just interesting. Also interesting that the adoption ceremony they look like a family getting married and now this finally scene E and N look like a wedding scene too. I really hope Nathan is the end game. 😍 I wish is was resolving before ep 12 because I'll be honest. I still can see how they swing it either way. Maybe I'm bracing myself so I don't feel the shock as badly as the loss of Jack if, in the end, she says to nathan " be happy for me and Lucas"..... 🤷🏻 Oh theme writers really are brilliant this year!
Wow beautiful overview! Exactly right, Lucas is feeling insecure and rightfully so...Elizabeth isn’t making him feel like she’s chosen him. I also thought showing them not holding hands as opposed to Nathan and Allie meant something- the adoption, the bachelorette party and now this...no more doubts for me
@@thelittlescenes1185 Once again you have done a WONDERFUL analysis of a pivotal scene. Thank you! I think every observation and every comment were 100% accurate. After I watched the episode on Sunday, and this scene in particular, I was so torn. Is she finally compassionately "friending" Nathan after his "admission of guilt" and her "forgiveness" or is the bond deeper, a jumped hurdle headed toward passionate love for those two? (Second one...please!) These writers are excellent at their job.. Each word and utterance by the actors is calculated to throw viewers off...Why is it that every time she has twisted/touched her wedding ring Lucas is there? AHHHHH! I sure HOPE Nathan and Elizabeth end up together because 1. He takes her breath away. Heartfelt reaction to him. 2. Their conversations are always meaningful, not superficial. (most recently, Allie's adoption, Jack's death) 3. Nathan and Elizabeth really do complete/complement each other. They need each other to be their best selves. The actors have all said they want to leave it so that the BEST stories can be told going forward. For my money that's NATHAN and Elizabeth. I just wish I had your confidence....
This scene is about forgiveness and redemption, hope and grace. Nathan and Elizabeth share a common loss. Nathan feeling guilt and Elizabeth feeling loss. I like Lucas. But in couple of episodes of season 8 he has said and acted has bugged me. I'm glad Nathan walked away from the conversation with Lucas he was definitely the bigger man. I will always be rooting for Nathan no matter how the season ends.
Sorry Lucas but it’s game over time. Nathan will come out on top. I’m 100% convinced of that after this scene. #teamnathan As for Nathan’s sigh at the end of the scene, I simply think it is from relief. A huge weight has been lifted off his shoulders. Up until now, he felt guilty for Jack’s death and thought Elizabeth blamed him as well. However, now, he knows she doesn’t blame him. ❤️❤️
Another great analysis! Thank you! Loved this scene so much and like you said, so much more was said without words! Elizabeth has released his guilt and she is on the road to healing and truly loving again! It is going to be Nathan!!!!
@@thelittlescenes1185 possibly not until E 12!!..BIG THANKS again! You do such a marvelous job analysis of the situatins and sharing with us!! 💝💖😍a Hopeful Fan for the 2 Noble professions and ( likely Heroes ) of Janette Oke's orig book!!!
No I don’t think so. I think after she chose him and that every time they touch she feels something that is missing with Lucas. I think with Nathan everything comes effortless but with Lucas she is beginning to see it’s forced on her part.
@@sherrithrasher6143 I think you are right. She has seemed very comfortable spending time with him but seems to clam up any time they get physical, like when she pulled her hand away at the saloon and looked super uncomfortable the first time he took her hand at dinner. Yet, she can hug Nathan like her life depended on it and let him in her home. (Although part of me wonders if that hug wasn't her deflecting feelings from Jack onto Nathan?)
@@nanb7149 no because remember what she said to Rosemary in episode 1 that when she hugged Nathan she realized she felt more than she thought she did for him. The go to end of episode 2 how she said that she couldn’t be with him because it would hurt too much if she lost him the way she lost jack. Think on all the ways she has pursued Nathan before and since. I think when Nathan finally managed to ask her on a date before he left that it made her realize that with Nathan it wouldn’t be friends and something shifted somewhat and made her wonder what it meant for them and then the hug. Think how when he said I know you feel the same way I do and she said I can’t. She’s been running since and being more erratic the more she has tried forcing something. Become more unlike herself and alienating others. Even Bill.
I think this would have been the best time to tell him if it was. She could have said, having said that I want you to know that I value your friendship, but I am in a serious relationship with Lucas. But, she didn't. Lucas keeps blaming Nathan for putting pressure on Elizabeth and that is ridiculous. Other than telling her he loved her, he has put zero pressure on her. She is the one that seeks contact with Nathan.
First- this scene with Nathan and Lucas, This scene had me super pissed at Lucas. L is showing a side of superiority, that he assumes Nathan would use Allie to get to E, but also it shows that he does not have confidence to allow E to handle this herself, which I believe, Elizabeth would be super pissed about. I think she would not be happy that L interjected himself in this as if he believes it’s his job to handle this. It’s about control and ownership on L’s part. As a female, this would piss me off. Second- the scene between E and Rosemary- I think we need to talk about this as I am very annoyed at E for treating her best friend with such disrespect. The short scene between them is more about Rosemarys disapproval of how E has talked to her and treated her. As a female I read this scene as bad blood between she and E.
Interesting! Since Rosemary has compressed lips too she could definitely be showing disapproval for Elizabeth’s behavior toward her- I thought she was just upset, but I see what you mean and why you say that. Elizabeth hasn’t yet apologized even though it’s time. It’s funny how a lot of team Lucas people see Nathan as pushy and controlling when Lucas is actually doing that a lot...the non-date date, buying tickets for the reading, the book manuscript, now Nathan..
@@thelittlescenes1185 I agree, Lucas has been very pushy at times and he has assumed a lot of things as well. People have also made comments about Nathan’s temper but I think Lucas has had the biggest issues with that. He left town for months just to get over a hug. He has been very rude and acted in a childish way towards Elizabeth when he has been angry at her. Lucas said he doesn’t accept things easily and this shows in his behaviour, especially when he is angry. Both Lucas and Nathan have a lot to learn about relationships and how to express their emotions.
Ya know, at first, I was just going to feel bad for Lucas because he seems like a lost little puppy dog, with a crush. And, he is sweet and romantic. But after this scene, I'm feeling less sorry for him. He's starting to turn a bit possessive and stalkerish over her. It isn't Nathan that keeps seeking out Elizabeth. She seeks him out. He has yet to seek her out since his "I'm in love with you," and she ran off. He isn't pressuring her. He isn't coming to find her nor asking her to be with him. Nathan telling Elizabeth he fell in love with her was the honest answer to her question. That isn't pressuring her. Lucas fans peeving me by saying he's pressuring her by saying it again. She asked him a question and it was his honest answer. AND - him watching as Elizabeth goes to Nathan and they walk out together, and him following her... to look out the window. That was so damn creepy. I know Lucas fans got excited because in many movies a guy catches a moment that didn't mean anything and gets upset... but he didn't even really catch it unintentionally. HE FOLLOWED THEM!
@@peterthegreatj yes! Even the first I love you scene happened after ELIZABETH asked him to meet her after his trip...I agree he is simply being honest (finally) and it’s refreshing and nice and not something you can hold against him. It’s time for Elizabeth to make a clear choice so that Lucas can stop feeling so uncertain and insecure.
I think you are spot on. Lucas shows a little of his insecurity in his relationship with Elizabeth. The breath at the end from Nathan is a release of his guilt and his thankfulness of how Elizabeth doesn't blame him. Holding hands confirms their connection and respect for each other
What great actors. They are so into their characters. Lucas has always misread Nathan. Telling E. that Nathan would never be satisfied to be just friends. Believing N. has let Allie know how he feels about E., as if Allie doesn't have eyes. The entire town knows, in fact. Lucas telling A. that he and N.will work it out as if they are competing for a prize. Well, guess in a way they are but E. will be the one to work it out. Lucas does see N. as "competition". He is so insecure.
Sorry but i hope Nathan look at Elisabeth like a woman not like an award. Award is in Lucas' mind. When someone says the word gambler, i think they talk about the kind of mind and what he thinks.
Yes! They are giving us so much to work with! Lucas saying this to Allie makes sense because (she is a kid) but I hope that he didn't really think he and Nathan have to work anything out! The decision is definitely on Elizabeth, NOT on the guys
@@orsetta7219 TN nathan doesnt look at her like a prize/award/trophy... He looks at her with enormous pride like hes soooo proud to know her & whi she is.. TL IM NOT SAYING L ISNT PROUD TO KNOW WHO SHE IS IM BOTH MEN ARE VRY VRY DIFFERENT WITH VRY VRY DIFFERENT UPBRINGINGS JUST EVER SINCE THEY BOTH APPEARED WHEN THEY DID IBE ALWAYS TRUSTED N BUT NEVER TRUSTED OR.LIKED Ls CHARACTER THERE WAS AND IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER THAT I JUST HAVE NEVER LIKED... WHEN Ns CHARACTER CAME ON I LIKED HIM EVEN WHEN HE WAS VRY CLEARLY IGNORANT & STUBBORN BUT I THINK HAD ALOT TO DO WITH THE GUILT HE WAS CARRYING TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A BAD GUY WHEN HE WASNT & ISNT BUT IVE ALWAYS TRUSTED HIS CHARACTER BUT NOT Ls
@@jeanpeet8817 I hope I understand you well, Nathan loves Elisabeth and works for getting her love. Between Nathan and Elisabeth, Lucas is not a presence, Lucas disappears. I don't remember a conversation between the two where Nathan talks about Lucas. Even when she went to Union City, Nathan doesn't ask. Elisabeth decided to tell him, I remember "you know why I'm going with Lucas, he asked". This season Lucas is always attentive to the relationship between Nathan and Elisabeth, he is very doubtful about how to understand it and this makes him nervous and also a little sneaky and in control. Sincerely i'm team Nathan since the beginning.
@@orsetta7219 😘😀 I've been vry much a N supporter since he came on the show.... Kevin has played the role vry vry well... Hes awesome.... SERIOUSLY TEAM NATHAN LIKE YOU.... COME ONNNNN MANNNNN GET YOUR GIRLLLLLLL.... WAKE UP ELIZABETH OR SARGEANTS TAIL SHOULD SLAP YA FACE TO AND FROW (SORRY GOT CARRIED AWAY).... COME ONNNNN. NATHAN OR NO ONE POINT BLANK👊
POWERFUL POWERFUL scene at the end I am glad she finally releases Nathan from all the guilt he has been carrying around for the last three years although, Lucas might have something up his sleeve because he has that jealous streak in him after he seen them through the window
heavy entertaiment did a poll on team nathan vs team lucas and team nathan won by 728 votes with team nathan having 1135 votes and team lucas only 407 so if hallmark is listening to is viewers the end result should be in our favor. and what good business goes with the smaller amount of votes!
I feel like the polls are always distorted (especially when one team shares the link to it, or the site is already biased) so I'm not sure about them anymore. But I think the Nathan storyline is just overall much deeper- no writer/producer/tv network would give that up
I go by what I see on all things SM. Overwhelmingly Nathan is the choice for most people, even on the ProLucas sites. I just can not fathom HM going against the fans on this first, but more importantly, going against the love story of Nathan and Elizabeth. Literally, it would be illogical to build this story up only for her to go with Lucas. Yes, I hate this triangle has been this way but I think it was meant to show true love runs deeper than just romantic gestures.
Ahhh such a good scene! I love your analysis videos, you always bring up things I didn't notice! I feel like it's really leaning towards Nathan. If not, what was the point of all this build up? I'll give Lucas some props though. Nathan did tell Lucas' girlfriend (essentially) that he loves her, twice. It's perfectly normal for Lucas to be upset at Nathan, but he has never lost his temper. He's stayed fairly calm through it all. I think he'll bow out gracefully when he realizes for sure where Elizabeth's feelings lie. I hope he does, because I would love to see Lucas and Nathan as friends instead of rivals. In the very few scenes where they've acted friendly towards each other, they had great friendly chemistry. So I hope they become friends. Anyway I'll quit ranting. Thanks for making these! 💜
Really good info about body language. 😊Nathan is sure at the beginning of the scene, Lucas is feeling frustrated and puzzled. Elizabeth has started making up her mind in knowing her true love
my fiancee thinks shes just having nathan as the storyline to move on from jack and let go and forgive and let her heart move to lucas fully instead of wavering omg i hope not i will just die and cry forever. i dont see it that way i see it as opposite, lucas mom ruined their date anyways. but also that she said yes to lucas but her heart isnt fully in lucas and that these scenes are showing that her heart is calling to nathan
There's much more to explore yet with Nathan- like you said, there hasn't been a date with him. She has NOT given him a chance and it hasn't really been a triangle this season.
The man that walked away from the woman that he loved even when it broke his heart because that’s what she wanted and he respected that, is the man that deserves Elizabeth’s love, and it’s not Lucas
So many comments about this new and very interesting episod and analyze. Thank you so much. I enjoy. The talk between Nathan and Lucas was great, Nathan ignores the understood about Elisabeth. Drink his glass and go away with it seems some satisfaction. Elisabeth sees the scene and realizes it's time to have a little talk with Nathan. Finally Elisabeth opens her heart to Nathan not blaming him for Jack's death. They are both relieved, relaxed and helping each other. I think the confidence is restored, so holding hands is something natural and the look is deep.😜 Lucas sees them, voluntarily or not, and his face beginning dark...how is he going to react? So many options, this man is so mysterious for me😕 Which behavior Elisabeth is going to have with those two now? Here is my humble comment 😜 but I'm not still sure about the outcome 😏
Elizabeth goes after Nathan because she saw his upset look and he didn't acknowledge her ( because she has been ignoring him ). Yes, confidence is indeed restored! And it did feel so natural for them to hold hands and also physically connect in this very healing moment (I guess hugs weren't a thing in 1918) Lol. I can't wait for Sunday
@@dorothysampson7414 Sure. He is jealous and he is wondering if Elisabeth is not going to escape him? So what he is going to do? Once again is he going to ask the wrong questions?
The great thing about Nathan is that he has the same level of respect when Elizabeth is around and when she’s not around, doesn’t seem so true for Lucas
I love how you annylis my all time favourite show Ive been on Team Nathan the whole time I hope that thisopens a door for them :DD Can you do the scene where they are at allies adoption ceromny
Lucas is a controlling person. He plays people like he is playing a card game. He is always checking his watch and plotting or planning his next move . Elizabeth is just another business plan. Business is what he is about. He will cut and run ( fold when he sees he is losing). He does not really love Elizabeth. He will not go into her home because he does not want to get personal. It is a business plan (deal). He tried to kiss her but she would not allow it yet. Elizabeth senses something but can not figure it out yet. I would not be surprised if we learn he is behind the financial group coming into Hope Valley.
Some argue that Lucas pushes Elisabeth to be better, the challenge to write a book for example. But is this challenge really improving Elisabeth? It is these life challenges that Nathan proposes to her that will make her a better woman, for her and for others. So Elisabeth really grows up. Deep connection, soul mate. If he chooses Lucas, what a wonderful, fantastic couple we and the show are going to lose. It is not possible.
Yes, I think it’s nice that he pushes her in regards to her book- but that’s about it. Sure you want someone to push you but Lucas is also making her feel really comfortable, having a hard time speaking up to her, for example about how he feels about Nathan and I just think that Nathan is more secure in who he is and he will encourage Elizabeth where she needs encouragement, he’ll tell her when she’s wrong and he’ll also hold space for her when she’s upset. Nathan is so good at just being there without having to do anything. I love that
@@thelittlescenes1185 Please tell me where Elisabeth talks about forgiveness? I have a hard time if she really said the word forgiveness. Elisabeth doesn't have to forgive Nathan. Nathan feels guilty, but he's not guilty. Elisabeth just needs to let Nathan know that his feel guilt is wrong.
When Nathan and Elizabeth step outside of the saloon to speak, why is Nathan at first frustrated with what Elizabeth has to say? Is it because he is worried she will criticize him?
I think he didn’t know what she was going to talk about and when she started with jack it just made him more nervous to hear what else she would say...
Yes, I forgot what I wrote exactly but I said in my commentary that he expects more of what Lucas told him - and he obviously doesn't agree with that because he was simply being honest in telling E his feelings. This frustration and annoyance and DEFENSIVENESS we see when they first step out is because he thinks she will be accusing/criticizing him and is bracing himself.
@@thelittlescenes1185 Thank you both so much for your input! I hope my comment didn't come off as accusatory, I was genuinely confused. 😂 That makes a whole lot of sense now!
@@thelittlescenes1185 Exactly. He was bracing himself for her to talk down to him or to yell at him again. He probably thought she was going to finish the conversation he had just walked away from having with Lucas.
Yassss!!! Ok but I am confused. So you think rosemary was upset because she looked after Nathan? When I watched the episode I couldn’t quite understand it then either.
She’s upset because she sees Elizabeth’s concern/connection/love for Nathan - but she couldn’t bring Elizabeth to recognize it and it caused a rift between them. Does that make sense?
She’s going to pick Nathan, it breaks my heart for Lucas tho 😭 i love both guys for her and I can’t decide which one is best but I just have a feeling she’s going to pick Nathan, if she picks Lucas I will honestly be shocked.
Yo en comentarios anteriores, había expresado que la producción le dió un golpe muy duro a Nathan y que iba ser difícil remontarlo.No obstante pienso que Nathan se enciende y tiene buena chance de alcanzar lo que merece a toda plenitud su amor por Elizabeth.
Ya dije antes Nathan reconstituye la serie.En cambio Lucas la arruina totalmente, sería muy lamentable.Ya dije :Nathan ama a Elizabeth profundamente y a su hijo, tambien a Allie.Es familia es implícito en el.No así Lucas,el dinero no es todo en la vida.
Yea, Lucas is so fake, pretending he is concerned about Allie. Allie has never been present when Nathan declares his love to Elizabeth. How does Nathan telling Elizabeth he loves her, affects Allie? He just wants Nathan to back off, which is fair enough. But he shouldn't pretend that this conversation is about his concern for Allie.
@@alicepahler7610 Exactly! He's just playing dirty now, trying to manipulate Nathan to back off, the same way he is always reminding Elizabeth that he's being patient while pressuring her.
Lucas likes to be in control! Like when he took Elizabeth manuscript and sent it to his mom with out talking to E! She was upset. Lucas just wants to win, he’s a gambler! I thinks it more control and winning than Lucas being in love with Elizabeth! He cares about Elizabeth, but not the same as Nathan! Elizabeth is attracted to L, but that doesn’t mean she has loving feelings towards him! But she always seeks N out or is looking to see where he is! Big difference!
I noticed at 4:52 Nathan first glances at Elizabeth when turning around and then almost does a double take. I was wondering what you'll have to say to that, but you didn't comment on it. I was thinking he maybe saw how important the upcoming conversation is for her on her facial expression and it startles him into giving her his full attention (away from still being annoyed at Lucas and stressed about the situation). What are your thoughts?
Yes- I saw it and I decided against commenting on it because I came to the conclusion that it isn't anything big. You could be right and I haven't thought about it that way! It could definitely be him noticing her facial expression and being taken aback by it. I thought he was just checking to see if she stopped walking - so I didn't further comment on it. I could also see it showing us some more of his hesitance and anxiety because of the fast eye movement?
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Yo he encontrado la forma de encontrar episodios completos dónde puedo aclarar algunas escenas que no contenplaba antes.Por ejemplo esta escena es importante, puesto es la primera vez que Elizabeth y Nathan los veo así,y la buena conexión que reflejan.
Ya la di,cuántas veces tengo que darla,que es lo que de mí.Yo soy una persona
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Totally agree with how you analyzed the “hand holding”.....at first, I thought it was a gesture of pure love or some sign that it was advancing their relationship but the more I watch this, I felt Nathan held her hands as a gesture of comfort to Elizabeth in a loss that they commonly shared (something that probably all of us have done at a Memorial Service to a grieving family member or friend).....it was his way of saying “I understand/share your pain, your loss, your emptiness without Jack”....this was a bonding moment for the two of them because this is something that only the two of them can understand....yes, this is the ultimate step of the healing process for Elizabeth....love the way you said it.....forgiveness....grace....accepting that things happen in life that we don’t always understand but we must still learn to more forward with hope and courage.....this was a necessary scene to help Elizabeth grow as a person and move on without Jack....as always, so enjoy your Scene Analysis videos!
Love that - mutual understanding. Thank you! ❤️
As long as its with nathan PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Lucas could care less about Allie. Not being honest.
I absolutely agree with your comment. This was an important and beautiful scene. S11 Has been awesome seeing them come together as a couple. There connection is deep. They share a painful history with regards to Jack's death. They had a friendship where they shared what's important to them deep from their hearts. Oh and they were all ready parenting together given each other advice with regards to their children. Their friendship (while Elizabeth had moved on with Lucas) is lovely, but it is was more than friendship. Nathan knew how Elizabeth felt about him. Remember in S8 when Nathan said, "Elizabeth I know you feel the same way." after Nathan had declared his love for Elizabeth. Elizabeth didn't deny it. SHE simple said, "I can't." She doesn't want to lose him the way she lost Jack. That is why Nathan chose to remain "friends" with Elizabeth. So, she could get to know him better as a man and hopefully overcome her fears. She may have been dating Lucas, but Nathan wasn't giving up.Team Lucas just didn't want to admit it. Nathan may have given up after Elizabeth became engaged to Lucas. He tried to move on with other women, but was unsuccessful because he loved Elizabeth still. S9 you could see Nathan's hurt when he interacted with Elizabeth. He was quite sarcastic with her at times.. This was out of pain and grief over Elizabeth choosing Lucas. Elizabeth started having doubts about Lucas we saw her admitting that at Jack's grave. Then Lucas ran for governor. She had doubts about moving to Capital city. Nathan saw this and knew she was having doubts because of the friendship they have with each other. Nathan called her out in that beautiful scene in the church/school house in S10 where Nathan said, "Elizabeth, what do you want?" Elizabeth breaks up with Lucas shortly afterwards. I call Elizabeth and Nathan's relationship the upside down romance because Nathan declared he loved Elizabeth in S8 and they hadn't even dated yet. Then Nathan chose to be Elizabeth's "friend." They were giving advice about each others kids to each other basically parenting together. Now we are on S11 and we are getting this gentle Love Comes Softly approach to a romantic relationship between Nathan and Elizabeth. I think they will date and marry at some point. We will get a beautiful marriage and blended family with this couple.
@@blanchejones8115I agree that Lucas didn't care about Allie. For Lucas this was all about Elizabeth and Lucas wanted Nathan out of the way.
Thank you! I thought it interesting that she seemed to bring her hands to him willingly, there was no need for him to try and grab them from her awkwardly. Given how tentative she always seems touching Lucas’s hands I was happy to see her so open to Nathan’s touch.
Oooo good point!
That's what I said after the episode! She didn't hesitate unlike she did with Lucas, which yes that partly could have been that it was more of a comfort thing rather than romantic, but still! It shows that she's more comfortable with Nathan.
@@katelynthornburg5704 I think people are actually taking that hand holding out of context. As I had already commented, she could not pull away because that would imply that she really had not forgiven Nathan.
I don’t think so- they felt connected in that moment. And we see no discomfort or awkwardness during that moment, no tension that would indicate that she felt obligated to let him take her hands
@@thelittlescenes1185 I completely agree.
I think that Nathan’s deep breath at the end was simply a sigh of relief. In that moment, with that sigh, he was finally letting go of his pain, thanks to Elizabeth. I’d been waiting for you to do a breakdown of this scene, and enjoyed it very much, and think you were spot on! This scene had to happen for both to move on from their grief. Personally, I think this beautiful scene of redemption is the most beautiful and moving scene, to this point, of THE WCTH SERIES! Thank you for this lovely breakdown!
Agree! So glad you enjoyed it. This one was beautiful to analyze
Lol sweet innocent Lee, completely oblivious to everything that’s happening! 😂
Rosemary: *upset*
Lee: *in love*
Yes😂❤️
BILL’S SIDE GLANCE IS A TINY BUT HILARIOUS DETAIL... he KNOWS 😏
WE ALL KNOW 😂
Yeaaaah we do 😂
I was in stitches when i saw Bill, it was so funny!!! It was if he was saying, 'Here we go' i was looking at N and E and it was no gooey eyes or nothing, it was a sincere moment when she acknowledged that she now understands all the Nathan was feeling and had to let him know that. All his previous hesitations and false-starts to talk and shyness to her all made sense. She will not go to home because both of them are hurting and she feels obligated, it is that she for the very 1st time sees Nathan. Now that burden is off Nathan we will see a stronger and more confident man without any guilt.
waaaaait ... what do we all know? lol i don't know!
@@chelles4763 #teamnathan endgame
This assessment is awesome! Your comments help us understand their emotions and realize what great actors they are. There is nothing like forgiveness! Nothing. Not only for the person being forgiven but for the person that is forgiving. Life is just too short to carry around hate, anger or bitterness. Forgiveness is a beautiful reflection of our Heavenly Father's love.
❤️❤️❤️
AMEN !!!
First, Lucas is shooting himself in the foot by trying to “work this out” with Nathan. Second, I’m sure Bill has been trying to stay out of the situation out of respect for Elizabeth. He knows she doesn’t want others meddling and telling her what to do. Third, Nathan’s last few interactions with Elizabeth have been very tense, so I’m sure he’s expecting more of the same. Finally, when Elizabeth tells him she doesn’t blame him, he’s in disbelief, because he hasn’t forgiven himself. Her statement helps him on the road to forgive himself, and he’s also relieved that she’s no longer angry. The hand holding is a product of the depth of their connection in that moment, but Lucas can only see his own motives and is probably thinking “but I just told him he shouldn’t pressure her and this is what he does???”
I love when you analyze scenes!
***I just rewatched (again) and noticed Elizabeth LOOKS DOWN as Nathan is taking her hands! She’s not only letting him hold them, she’s fully aware of his intent beforehand and allows it. Nathan’s deep breaths are probably a combination of his relief that Elizabeth doesn’t blame him, being able to start letting go of the emotional burden of Jack’s death, and trying to keep his emotions under control. Men didn’t cry back then. (And a tiny bit of disbelief that he’s holding Elizabeth’s hands. 😍)
Yes! I actually think Nathan has forgiven himself already for replacing Jack- it doesn't seem like he's still struck by that (at least I didn't get that feeling from watching) but I'm certain he was feeling horrible about not being honest with Elizabeth and just telling her. He felt guilty about how she felt about it.
and oh my gosh! Bill! Remember when he wanted to investigate who got her those flowers! Lol. I think he has been watching them this whole time.
Agree, his deep breath probably was this letting go of a burden.
Nathan didn't cry, but he looked so close to it. I think it was relief that she didn't blame him for Jack's death.
Nathan DOES NOT HAVE MOTIVES AT ALL TO BE TOLD BY L TO STOP PUTTING PRESSURE ON ELIZABETH WHEN HE HASNT AT ALL....
Omg I love what you said about Elizabeth knowing full well what his intention is in that moment to take her hands. I didn’t catch that and then I rewatched and freaked out again!!! That is amazing! Good eye! And I think you might be right. I don’t think he’s forgiven himself yet. But he’s on the path to do so. I remember when he was stating his last words at his trial and expressing sorrow for all the women who have lost their husbands in the line of duty. It seemed that statement was a little heavy for him and it was like all he wanted to do was fix what happened with Jack. I also think what he’s coming to realize that it’s not out of a sense of duty anymore when it comes to protecting and watching out for Elizabeth and little Jack. It’s because he knows that all that Jack would want for her is someone to love her as much as he did, and to take care of her in a way that he never got the chance to.
@@thelittlescenes1185 I have no doubt that Bill will be toasting to them at their wedding and having a speech somewhat like Abigail’s at Elizabeth and Jack’s wedding. Heehee!!!
Yeah, I was hoping you would do this scene! Nice work. I love the connection they share at the end of this. I nearly cried at this scene. Even if Elizabeth chooses Lucas now I'm so happy she extended that grace and healing to Nathan, it is so important. I was so happy this moment happened. I think the deep breaths they had here were letting off stress, finding relief, and trying to contain the deep emotions they were feeling. It had to be a huge relief for them both. I'm so happy she finally spoke kindly to Nathan. Thanks for the video!
Yes, me too! Thank you for sharing.
I agree that the sigh was an expression of relief and that allowing Nathan to hold her hands was simply a reassurance that she had forgiven him and that they could be friends.
Team Nathan..I was so thrilled to see this scene between Nathan and Elizabeth. Maybe she's listening to her own advice.
I think so- she’s a good person and I guess when you give so much advice it makes you think and then you might even adjust things in your life according to it.
I think she saw Nathan’s frustrated face and he didn’t acknowledge her because she had been ignoring him- which is so sad considering their deep friendship -and his pain pierced her heart because all the advice giving had softened it already.
Agreed, Nathan, for sure
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So excited to see this in my feed!! THANK YOU❤️
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Grace, forgiveness, acceptance, perfectly stated!!
This is the first time I have liked Elizabeth in a LONG time.
This makes it more fun to watch again
Me too....
Once again, amazing analysis! 👏👏👏 This scene had me so stressed out the first time I watched it. Nathan has amazing self control to just walk away from Lucas (who was completely wrong and out of line in that conversation - he says the "perfect" thing in the moment, then does the opposite so often). But when Elizabeth tapped Nathan on the shoulder, I thought she was going to tell him she is seeing Lucas and still can't give him what he wants or something...and you could see the apprehension on Nathan's face. His emotion when she said she didn't blame him for Jack's death got me right in the ❤ and gave me all the feels. What a sweet, healing and bonding moment for them. Now we need her to realize she loves him so we can get some real 🔥🔥🔥
Yes! All the feels, this was pivotal ❤️
You do such an amazing job with these, and they help relieve some of my tension in processing the episodes afterwards! Can't see them ending up anyplace else after so many powerful moments this season. Also, had to double back on Lee's love look when I watched the episode, so I'm glad you mentioned it here. 😂❤️
Lol! Lee was so in blissful oblivion. Thank you
THANK YOU for doing this video!!!! 😭😭😭❤❤❤
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Wonderful analysis and I couldn't agree more with what you said! This was about absolution and not romance. The bond they share needed desperately to be completed with the joining of their hands. It was such a moving moment ! Thanks!
Yes, beautiful moment. Thank you!
I haven't finished this yet, but the comment over Lee's head of "IN LOVE" made me chuckle. I love these two.
😂I loved how he looked at her even though she was upset
I loved that! 😂 Lee is just the sweetest!
Alright, time for deep thoughts. First, I want to point out the music. Whenever there is an emotional moment of victory we hear a trumpet, but we only hear it with a Mountie (Jack and Nathan), or when it's with Elizabeth and her true love (Jack for sure and possibly[hopefully] Nathan). Second, the hand holding. This is the first time since Jack that Elizabeth has willingly and accepting, let another man reach for her hand and she consent by raising hers to meet it. Whenever she holds hands with Lucas she was the one to initiate the contact, like a skttish animal has to willingly lay itself in a humans lap rather than the human pick it up. Elizabeth has been skittish around Lucas because she feels like he is reaching for her with all of his gifts, but Nathan draws her simply by being who he is.
@James Daniels YES! Truly deep thoughts. I had not noticed the trumpets you mentioned. I absolutely agree about the handholding.
Interesting with the trumpets! And yes Nathan is MAGNETIC for Elizabeth- and I always feel a sense of peace when they’re together
@@thelittlescenes1185 I used the word electrifying to describe the scene between Elizabeth and Nathan decorating the Christmas tree but magnetic works too. When they were friends or when she was treating him like dirt( this season), she just seems to drawn to Nathan by some magnetic force.
@@dorothysampson7414 Yes! And when they come together it's electrifying!
@@thelittlescenes1185 😂😆
This has been the one thing holding back both Elizabeth and Nathan. Nathan felt guilt over Jack taking his place and falling in love with Jack’s widow. And Elizabeth knew that Nathan was hiding something from her. Now this obstacle is gone, they are free. That elephant in the room has been removed.
YES!
So agree
I love Nathan. I like that he didn’t engage in further conversation with Lucas. I understand how Lucas used the opportunity to tell Nathan to back off but Nathan actually has not done anything to pressure Elizabeth.
Elizabeth, please wake up!!!!!! My heart was pounding when she asked him to step outside.
The deep breath at the end could be relief because she’s forgiven him? I really hope this ends with these two. In my mind Nathan is endgame but so much anxiety!!
I liked that too! Nathan was the bigger man
For the first time, I was really annoyed at Lucas--I feel like he used Allie as an excuse. Nathan just adopted her...how dare he act like he is more concerned about her than Nathan is. He is concerned that he is losing his hold on Elizabeth.
Exactly
I wondered wether Elizabeth had overheard Lucas and Nathan talking to each orher.
The connection between Elizabeth and Nathan is wonderful.Come on you two please be together they make a good team❤
@@alicepahler7610 I was like how dare Lucas give Nathan advice about Allie. Nathan made it very clear to his father, Allie's father, and Elizabeth in the woods during the field trip that raising Allie is his number one priority.
Thank you for another great analysis! You are spot on! Nathan and Elizabeth have a special bond! It will always be there and now they both know it! Nathan will the one! They belong together!❤️❤️
Thank you! Agree.
I love your videos because at this point in series 8 I just need this incredibly detailed analysis. You’re my new best friend! I appreciate how you have noted the moment the BURDEN was lifted from Nathan and we can actually see it happening and I say the hand holding is to commemorate this healing in an almost ceremonial way. Healing for them both. One thing I notice is that in the final frame, It looks to me like she is gripping his hands just as tightly as he is gripping hers. Even more notable is that she remains locked in eye contact with him as the contact lengthens. One question: Did you catch was Nathan was saying exactly to Bill as Eliz interrupted him?
Awww this is THE BEST thing to hear! ❤️😂🥰THANK YOU. I agree she’s definitely holding on just as tight and I didn’t write about the eye contact because the video was already too long- but they’re both just looking at each other and staying in connection, no one is fleeing the scene (AT LAST).
I don’t think I caught it since the first time I heard “now they are married. I’ve been in this town for 3 years and I” and the second time I heard “I was married. I’ve been in this town for 3 years” lol and I seriously doubt that Nathan was married. Sooooo.....what did you hear??
@@thelittlescenes1185 I think I saw a post somewhere where someone turned on the captions on their tv set for that scene and the caption said something like I want to get married... I've been here for 3 years... think I'll try that... lol
Ooooh I LOVE that!
Loved it!! Once again you are spot on and I was so excited to see this. I’m very glad I discovered your channel. I would love you to do one on the scene in church where she fiddles with the rings and looks right as they speak of patience and kindness and love doesn’t keep a record of wrongs. I think it’s part of what led to this scene.
Oh, yes! That would be great to rewatch and analyze
And in that scene Lucas and Elizabeth were quite stiff and each had there hands together Elizabeth with her rings and Luc a s wringing his, whereas Nathan arms open, relaxed, smiling then he and Allie holding hands.
Sorry "there"
Their
Well... I think that Lucas has every right to feel insecure because when he want to kiss her in the rain which would have been so romantic, she backed off and I think any other man would think, do I really want to pursue this woman anymore. But then again this is Hallmark and he has to portray the character that they want him to be in this movie
In an interview, Kevin & Chris talked about this season throwing some curveballs (my term, not theirs. I’m sure they had a much more elegant term). It looked like she was leaning towards Nathan in the first couple episodes and then it was Lucas, I have to hope it moves back to Nathan one more time. Love these two together!!!
So happy to see this video :) with all they have gone through this season, I can’t imagine a scenario where she doesn’t pick Nathan. I wish it was a 2 hour episode next week so we’d just see the end already!
Right?! I can’t either, and yes another week...ooof. ❤️❤️❤️
@@thelittlescenes1185 i heard that the last episode was an extended one
@@thelittlescenes1185 elizabeth and nathan PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@deborahsmith9233 Only extended by a few minutes
We're doing viewing parties for the last two episodes, maybe with prizes for who guesses what happens correctly, like who is missing, whats happening with Rosemary, whether or not there is a PDA with Elizabeth, and if so WHO is it with 🤣🤣🤣
Nice analysis. Was sort of disappointed they ended the episode there. I want to know what happened next!
I loved it- better than the last cliffhanger though, right? Where we didn’t see what happened at the bachelorette party
Healing and grace...
I think you’re pretty spot on with your comments during this sing. I’ve heard people make comments about their holding hands it was it as intimate as Lucas and Elizabeth. If there was such a genuineness to that so I disregard their comments. I believe Nathan was breathing hard because I think he was so relieved I have to carry that burden for three years and I believe he was excited to be that close to the woman he loves. I recall back to the I love you scene, And I believe Nathan is happy to be standing in front of him holding the hand and looking into the eyes of the woman he loves ❤️❤️❤️
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That deep breath, to me signifies relief that they finally made it over this hump of stress and sort of non-friendship type connection. She ignored him for the longest time, but what I loved about his part was that he didn’t push her at all. He wanted more than anything to talk to her about this and try to get through it together, but he also knew that this was huge news about her husband and his untimely death. She needed time to process it before she could speak to him again. He was patient and it paid off in the long run. She finally spoke to him, which is definitely why he stuttered because he wasn’t expecting her to talk to him, at least not at this shindig. But she not only talked to him, she told him she didn’t blame him for Jack’s death. This was the salvation he needed. For a long time, he struggled. He probably couldn’t look at Elizabeth without thinking on what happened to Jack for a long time. But his heart got in the way and I think it became a little easier for him since he was falling in love with her. But then it probably made it all the more harder because he still hadn’t told her about it. Omg! This is such a huge turning point for them! I loved this scene so dang much! When he took her hands and she let him…. I wanted to swoon and faint dead on the floor! If that happened because of him taking her hands, I can’t imagine what a kiss will do… I am so excited to see more next week!
I hear ya! I already said, I will probably need CPR if the kiss ever happens! lol
@@alicepahler7610 oh no. It is not “if”….. it is “WHEN”!!!!! Think positive! But yes, CPR might be recommended!!! Lol!
@@singingal17 I just saw on a preview that the last episode is titled "The Kiss"--so a kiss is going to happen...let's just pray it is with Elizabeth and Nathan!
@@alicepahler7610 Omg!! Fingers crossed, toes crossed, eyes crossed(only for a moment of course)…. EVERYTHING CROSSED!!!! LOL!!
@@alicepahler7610 Well someone is going to need CPR whether it's team Nathan or Team Lucas. It's rather frustrating, We all want to see the kiss but then it's the end of the season. PS go team Lucas!!!
It is good to see Nathan and Elizabeth finding forgiveness inspite of the plotting by Lucas. E.izabeth is finally acting like herself.
I could not wait for your analysis on this one because I think this might be my favorite ever Nathan and Elizabeth scene... so far 😉 ♥️♥️♥️ I just think they’ve come so far and this scene is vulnerable and caring on a whole new level between both of them. I genuinely didnt know what was going to happen the whole time, the tension was so intense. And when Nathan got visibly choked up, I almost lost it. And MAN I missed vulnerable and caring Elizabeth but it looks like she’s on her way back!!! 🥰 THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS!
^ and to add to that, you said pure, and I couldn’t think of a better word to describe the scene. It felt healing, loving and pure between them. Very special
Waiting for that kiss now... 🎶 agree she’s slowly processing slowly coming back. Healing. Thank you ❤️
I thought Nathan looked a bit apprehensive as he followed her out. He might have been remembering the last time she wanted a meaningful discussion with him by the creek where she ended up telling him, “I can’t.”
This was wonderful! I figured something was going to happen, but didn’t expect this! I thought maybe Nathan would ask Elizabeth to dance, but no one did!🤷♀️ Her courage to take him aside was perfect! Thank you for your analysis! Loved it!
@@patriciak5702 He probably was, especially since Lucas just told him to quit pressuring her. Where does he get off saying that anyway. Nathan has been great in leaving her along to process everything.
Did anyone hear what Nathan said before Elizabeth came up and tapped him? “I think it’s time I get married I’ve been here three years”
Also it was such a beautiful moment between them!
I think he says “now they’re married. I’ve been in this town three years”.
Apparently the captioning says "I want to get married."
@@thelittlescenes1185 ohh cool.
This episode helped restore my hope that she will choose Nathan! Still super nervous tho.
I’m very confident- no doubts no more.
@@thelittlescenes1185 same here! I have been waiting all day for your analysis. As they say, it only takes one seed of doubt to plant worry-this episode is a HUGE turning point for Nathan and Elizabeth in the positive direction and I am more confident than ever.
You know what I think might happen though- after seeing the preview and Elizabeth feeling guilty about Lucas feeling jealous, she might draw back from Nathan once again and they might give TL some hope (last red herring) but then in ep12 she’ll choose him for good.
@@thelittlescenes1185 YES! Precisely. I keep on thinking “Quit Playing Games With My Heart” (!!) but then I remember they’re (writers) doing it on purpose…it’s their job! And because I occasionally am feeling pangs of worry, I’d say they’re doing a heck of a job! But yes. Love the last red herring thought you made. Yesssss. There’s just Way. Too. Much. supporting evidence for Elizabeth and Nathan (storytelling, character development, etc.) for it not to go in their favor!
@@thelittlescenes1185 I think that too. I think some more truth will come next week about what Nathan has endured both with the trial ( would love to have bill tell her what Nathan said at enquiry about serving honorably) and about what Dylan put him through to save Ally and protect little Jack. I think Nathan won’t take things for granted either or assume anything which will further help. I think next week we are really going to see healing for everyone and dally together about Rosemary and the businessman that’s up to no good. I think she will give Lucas some comfort but things will be changed. She won’t want to rush and hurt Nathan anymore until she is sure.
Beautiful analysis, like your previous ones. Thank-you for sharing with us. This is such a powerful scene, and about time too. It has been a long road to get here.
Thank you!
Your in-depth analysis is so welcomed and appreciated because, I will speak for myself... it helps me to delve much deeper into what has really happened and what’s happening. I have to rewatch to get some of the things you highlight because I missed it first time around. So thank you for this. You do a wonderful job 👏👏♥️
THANK YOU!!! I'm so glad.
Lucas has it all wrong Nathan has been nothing but respectful of Elizabeth. Throughout this whole situation yes he has been honest with her about his feelings. And given how things went between the secert he was carrying to protect her with good intentions. He sought out to be completely honest with Elizabeth given he sees how not being honest hasn't been good for there whole realtionship. He wants Elizabeth to know no matter what goes on that he loves her completely already he knows. And that's so amazing and so just admirable of him it only makes me love him and his character more so. But ever reaction they have had so far out from him telling her he loved her the first time. Has been completely on Elizabeth she comes to him he is allowing her to process her feelings. And that indicates he does not want to pressure here into anything once so ever. And another thing since Lucas is so concerned why hasn't he made it clear to Elizabeth yet how he feels about her. He has been doing all these grand gestures but come on what's your real motive here anyways? Why haven't you told Elizabeth that you love her or to some agree just directly you really care about her deeply or voiced your feelings. Why hasn't that conversation never happens it should have already happened at this point.
I don’t think Lucas & Elizabeth are connected that deeply yet. Who knows, he might say it this coming episode
I waited eagerly for your body language analysis, thank you for doing it. I read it mostly like you.
I think Elizabeth finally realized what a "Hypocrite" she is! She tells everyone to give love another chance and how the future throws curveballs, but life goes on, and the greatest joy can be missed if you don't take a chance! The lightbulb finally came on in speaking with Katie.
Elizabeth has been in love with Nathan for a while, and is very comfortable with Nathan, not with Lucas! Even when she is with Lucas, you could see she wasn't completely comfortable. It reminds me of the time she went home when her mother was sick, and Charles was always around making his moves.
Elizabeth never looks at her wedding ring when she's with Nathan, and does when she's with Lucas.
Elizabeth usually walked around the prison and would strike up conversations with Nathan. Lucas always got stuff for the library to get Elizabeth's attention.
Elizabeth willingly raises her hands towards Nathan when he moved towards her, then they had intimate eye contact for a while!
I have been frustrated with Elizabeth's hypocrisy!
Lots of hypocrisy happens when we’re acting out of fear and pain instead of integrity! Finally things are changing
To a certain extent. People married to police officers, soldiers, or firefighters and loose them in the line of duty, the majority will marry someone in the same profession. Elizabeth who gives everyone advise about hearing others out and not jumping to conclusions shows her true colors, not only with Nathan, but her best friend Rosemary.
Pain & grief make you fickle; And it is all about me attitude. It takes the Holy Spirit to enlighten our eyes and reveal what is really going on in your Soul..Emotions and Will is a bear and will hold control you unless you choose life and not spiritual death.
I have no doubt that Elizabeth wants to do what best for her and little Jack. Nathan😀
Lucas: *shook*
🤣🤣 I lost it! 🤣
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Me too, I was bawling my eyes out.
I meant for Elizabeth telling Nathan she didn’t blame him for Jack’s death.. When he reached for her hands she didn’t hesitate one bit. Hope, hope, hope....❤️❤️❤️
Me too!!!
@@thelittlescenes1185 Just like you said "Yup", when Elizabeth ignored what Lucas was saying when she saw Nathan riding Newton past the school, I laughed so hard at "shook" my daughter came running down stairs to see what I was laughing at.
Another thing that I noticed was after she said she didn’t blame him, there was shock and relief and emotion! It looked like he was going to cry!!!!! I love him!!!! Kevin is a fantastic actor, omg!
Something that you said about Lucas’ and Nathan’s conversation… yeah it totally was NOT about Allie!! She was just an escape goat to justify Nathan staying away from Elizabeth!!! Coward! I’m sorry, but it had to be said. Back to being nice…
I've been waiting for this vid since the ep last night. LOVE your videos. I've almost never been more excited for a WCTH ep than I am for next weeks, and I've been watching since Season 1. I feel like things are really going to change between Elizabeth and Nathan... finally!!
Yes! Finally we get our peace. Also THANK YOU
@@thelittlescenes1185 I really hope so but I’m so scared that they’ll use this to say she’s forgiving him to put jack behind her and fully commit to Lucas. That would be horribleeee but I could see them doing that 😣😣😣
@@1370np I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. And I hate that idea so much 😟😟
I don’t see it at all. Just look at the infirmary scene and now this scene as opposed to her closest moments with Lucas...no one gives up a story about Nathan & Elizabeth for a story about Lucas & Elizabeth. It wouldn’t make sense
@@thelittlescenes1185 You're so right. All the little glances and little moments this season really mean a whole lot more than they seem to mean.
I'm still amazed that Lucas thinks Nathan is "pressuring" Elizabeth when so often she seeks him out. I loved this analysis and I think we will see the tides turning in Nathan's favor now..
Agree! Thank you.
Well, since Elizabeth won't speak up and tell him she is in a relationship with Lucas...Lucas has no choice but to do it himself. He is really getting desperate, I think.
@@alicepahler7610 important point you made here. "Elizabeth is not telling Nathan that she is in a relationship with Lucas". That speaks volume. She seems to be in a relationship with Lucas but can't leave Nathan alone. Sorry, Lucas supporters, I think she might want to be with Nathan. Maybe she wishes she could marry them both🤣
Maybe the deep breath at the end could mean that he's nervous about what her next move could be...? He doesn't know, even though she's forgiven him, if she will be able to open her heart to him.
Loved it ...so important this scene...only way they can move on and become a couple...out of the ashes of Jack's death comes new love and new beginnings
Yes! Thank you
I love that the aspect of healing of hearts is foremost in these last 2 episodes. Both N and E were carrying burdens of guilt(N) and loss(E). It takes someone who is actually going through similar or have been through it to feel and understand the hurt if that person. The pain, sorrow and relief on Nathan's face as she said those words was epic. I know we are running after the romantic focus of the picture but look at the show's focus of forgiveness, love of another person and being able to release someone from their hurt and see them set free. I am Team Nathan but this last episode had more meaning to me than what the end result would be.
@ gail price, you said it very very well. For me, as well, not just abt storylines of love, romance or fun in HV...foremost is the life lessons of forgiveness, grace and compassion that each role brings to us, listeners, watchers and fans!
Good heartfelt, realistic pains we go through as humans req humility and redemption - Christian values and goodness, they share through their roles is great! NOT ONLY Great actors they are - but also great persons in real lfe, from what I hear from Erin, become great friends - family on and off the show!! WCTH is unique series in their ensemble of storytelling!! HM, More Season please!💖💖🙏
I get confident and then worried again. But, I can't see the season starting out with Elizabeth telling Nathan she can't be with him because she's afraid she'd lose him. Not to mention she said if she stays she won't be able to leave. That isn't a woman without feelings. I can't imagine this "Afraid to lose someone I love" being a central theme in the story just for her to choose Lucas who she clearly isn't afraid to lose, or she wouldn't be with him. Elizabeth gave advice she, herself could not take. I can't see that as something so ongoing for her to only end up with Lucas.
I think the choice was made when she said "I can't be with you for fear of losing you," because that just shows she needs to learn to grow. It isn't an appropriate reason to not be with someone.
Great point. There is always a lesson woven in and the advice she gave to Katie was obviously her lesson.
Very true!
She fought loving Jack for fear of losing him, too. If she had never married him, she wouldn't have little Jack. Losing Jack was her greatest sorrow, but having his son was her greatest joy. I hope she realizes it's time to follow her own advice and live for today.
I'm loving seeing Nathan and Elizabeth in the scenes together.👩🎓👨✈️
Samesies
I was waiting for this❤️thank u i love your analysis videos ❤️❤️❤️
That’s so sweet. Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
I am very worried because of all the TL comments I see elsewhere but I just had a thought....The triangle HAS to end with Elizabeth and Nathan otherwise the story wouldn’t make sense. TL people claim that the show shouldn’t take the “obvious”/“classic” route and pick Lucas but that wouldn’t make sense. In my opinion, the reason Nathan seems like the “obvious” choice is because we have been SHOWN signs that make that so. We have seen the intense interactions between Elizabeth and Nathan that shows us Elizabeth has strong feelings for him. If Lucas was meant to be the choice, then there would be no triangle because he’s clearly perfect: he’s generous, thoughtful, rich, educated, handsome, has things in common with Elizabeth I.e. books, is helping her publish her book, does the romantic gestures perfectly, is patient, is respectful, says all the right things, doesn’t have a dangerous job/is not a Mountie...etc. If Elizabeth didn’t feel more strongly for Nathan, there would be no question. No triangle. Nathan’s presence could’ve been a slight hiccup (mini triangle) if he had actually actively pursued Elizabeth in the beginning (like Rosemary or Charles). But he never did. Elizabeth continuously sought him out. Elizabeth’s heart is clearly with Nathan and the show is called When Calls the Heart for goodness sake! The only way this makes sense is if Elizabeth chooses Nathan.
The “formula” is there for a reason! We have to be able to follow the heroine’s thought process. In some “predictable” stories, they make the character that’s not chosen clearly wrong for the main character so that the audience doesn’t feel bad for them. WCTH has not done that part and this choice makes the show more entertaining and that fact I think is the “unpredictable” part.
The “unexpected” choice, however, would only make sense if we were watching a psychological thriller.
What do you think??
I think unexpected choices are too risky for a show like this. It is what you would do in a movie that only lasts 2 hours, MAYBE. But definitely not in a series like this with long running success
But before season 8 began, in interviews, the actors said there were going to be a lot of twists and turns and this is the first time I have really seen Nathan and Elizabeth together in anything other than sparing. Here we are at the next to last episode and it's been Lucas all along. Personally, I'm going to cry if it's not Lucas.
Thanks for this! Amazing job and great job pointing out that Lucas didn't really want to fix the situation for Allie, he wanted Nathan to back down and stop creating his own discomfort in the fact Elizabeth seems to be waivering away from him. Lucas is no longer secure and he is showing his hand a bit.
Also, This year hands and hand holding means something.... Elizabeth pulled back in public when Lucas tried at first then later L and E walked hand and hand... We have seen Elizabeth play with her ring alot and in this episode they really did focus during the wedding scene on two things... Lucas and Elizabeth, each with their hands in the lap, and Nathan and Allie holding hands in solidarity. Just interesting. Also interesting that the adoption ceremony they look like a family getting married and now this finally scene E and N look like a wedding scene too.
I really hope Nathan is the end game. 😍 I wish is was resolving before ep 12 because I'll be honest. I still can see how they swing it either way. Maybe I'm bracing myself so I don't feel the shock as badly as the loss of Jack if, in the end, she says to nathan " be happy for me and Lucas"..... 🤷🏻 Oh theme writers really are brilliant this year!
Wow beautiful overview! Exactly right, Lucas is feeling insecure and rightfully so...Elizabeth isn’t making him feel like she’s chosen him. I also thought showing them not holding hands as opposed to Nathan and Allie meant something- the adoption, the bachelorette party and now this...no more doubts for me
@@thelittlescenes1185 Once again you have done a WONDERFUL analysis of a pivotal scene. Thank you! I think every observation and every comment were 100% accurate. After I watched the episode on Sunday, and this scene in particular, I was so torn. Is she finally compassionately "friending" Nathan after his "admission of guilt" and her "forgiveness" or is the bond deeper, a jumped hurdle headed toward passionate love for those two? (Second one...please!)
These writers are excellent at their job.. Each word and utterance by the actors is calculated to throw viewers off...Why is it that every time she has twisted/touched her wedding ring Lucas is there? AHHHHH!
I sure HOPE Nathan and Elizabeth end up together because 1. He takes her breath away. Heartfelt reaction to him.
2. Their conversations are always meaningful, not superficial. (most recently, Allie's adoption, Jack's death) 3. Nathan and Elizabeth really do complete/complement each other. They need each other to be their best selves. The actors have all said they want to leave it so that the BEST stories can be told going forward. For my money that's NATHAN and Elizabeth. I just wish I had your confidence....
This scene is about forgiveness and redemption, hope and grace. Nathan and Elizabeth share a common loss. Nathan feeling guilt and Elizabeth feeling loss. I like Lucas. But in couple of episodes of season 8 he has said and acted has bugged me. I'm glad Nathan walked away from the conversation with Lucas he was definitely the bigger man. I will always be rooting for Nathan no matter how the season ends.
This scene was all the reassurance I needed to know she'll pick Nathen!
Exactly
You are so quick with these!!! I was so happy when this scene came on. I was beginning to think we wouldn’t have a N/E scene! Another great video 😁
Thank you!
Yes I was very happy to see this scene between Nathan and Eli
Team Nathan forever.... they are perfect together, this is true love!❤❤
New beginnings of Nathan and Elizabeth
Yes!
Sorry Lucas but it’s game over time. Nathan will come out on top. I’m 100% convinced of that after this scene. #teamnathan
As for Nathan’s sigh at the end of the scene, I simply think it is from relief. A huge weight has been lifted off his shoulders. Up until now, he felt guilty for Jack’s death and thought Elizabeth blamed him as well. However, now, he knows she doesn’t blame him. ❤️❤️
It meant a lot to him
@@thelittlescenes1185 Absolutely. I almost thought I even saw tears in Nathan’s eyes when she told him she forgives him. ❤️❤️
Another great analysis! Thank you! Loved this scene so much and like you said, so much more was said without words! Elizabeth has released his guilt and she is on the road to healing and truly loving again! It is going to be Nathan!!!!
YUP!
@@thelittlescenes1185 possibly not until E 12!!..BIG THANKS again! You do such a marvelous job analysis of the situatins and sharing with us!! 💝💖😍a Hopeful Fan for the 2 Noble professions and ( likely Heroes ) of Janette Oke's orig book!!!
I’m afraid to hope.... is this her way of letting Nathan go? I sure hope not, we’ll see... Team Nathan!❤️
#teamnathan
No I don’t think so. I think after she chose him and that every time they touch she feels something that is missing with Lucas. I think with Nathan everything comes effortless but with Lucas she is beginning to see it’s forced on her part.
@@sherrithrasher6143 I think you are right. She has seemed very comfortable spending time with him but seems to clam up any time they get physical, like when she pulled her hand away at the saloon and looked super uncomfortable the first time he took her hand at dinner. Yet, she can hug Nathan like her life depended on it and let him in her home. (Although part of me wonders if that hug wasn't her deflecting feelings from Jack onto Nathan?)
@@nanb7149 no because remember what she said to Rosemary in episode 1 that when she hugged Nathan she realized she felt more than she thought she did for him. The go to end of episode 2 how she said that she couldn’t be with him because it would hurt too much if she lost him the way she lost jack. Think on all the ways she has pursued Nathan before and since. I think when Nathan finally managed to ask her on a date before he left that it made her realize that with Nathan it wouldn’t be friends and something shifted somewhat and made her wonder what it meant for them and then the hug. Think how when he said I know you feel the same way I do and she said I can’t. She’s been running since and being more erratic the more she has tried forcing something. Become more unlike herself and alienating others. Even Bill.
I think this would have been the best time to tell him if it was. She could have said, having said that I want you to know that I value your friendship, but I am in a serious relationship with Lucas. But, she didn't. Lucas keeps blaming Nathan for putting pressure on Elizabeth and that is ridiculous. Other than telling her he loved her, he has put zero pressure on her. She is the one that seeks contact with Nathan.
First- this scene with Nathan and Lucas, This scene had me super pissed at Lucas. L is showing a side of superiority, that he assumes Nathan would use Allie to get to E, but also it shows that he does not have confidence to allow E to handle this herself, which I believe, Elizabeth would be super pissed about. I think she would not be happy that L interjected himself in this as if he believes it’s his job to handle this. It’s about control and ownership on L’s part. As a female, this would piss me off. Second- the scene between E and Rosemary- I think we need to talk about this as I am very annoyed at E for treating her best friend with such disrespect. The short scene between them is more about Rosemarys disapproval of how E has talked to her and treated her. As a female I read this scene as bad blood between she and E.
Interesting! Since Rosemary has compressed lips too she could definitely be showing disapproval for Elizabeth’s behavior toward her- I thought she was just upset, but I see what you mean and why you say that. Elizabeth hasn’t yet apologized even though it’s time.
It’s funny how a lot of team Lucas people see Nathan as pushy and controlling when Lucas is actually doing that a lot...the non-date date, buying tickets for the reading, the book manuscript, now Nathan..
@@thelittlescenes1185 Yes!!
@@thelittlescenes1185 I agree, Lucas has been very pushy at times and he has assumed a lot of things as well. People have also made comments about Nathan’s temper but I think Lucas has had the biggest issues with that. He left town for months just to get over a hug. He has been very rude and acted in a childish way towards Elizabeth when he has been angry at her. Lucas said he doesn’t accept things easily and this shows in his behaviour, especially when he is angry. Both Lucas and Nathan have a lot to learn about relationships and how to express their emotions.
Ya know, at first, I was just going to feel bad for Lucas because he seems like a lost little puppy dog, with a crush. And, he is sweet and romantic. But after this scene, I'm feeling less sorry for him. He's starting to turn a bit possessive and stalkerish over her. It isn't Nathan that keeps seeking out Elizabeth. She seeks him out. He has yet to seek her out since his "I'm in love with you," and she ran off. He isn't pressuring her. He isn't coming to find her nor asking her to be with him. Nathan telling Elizabeth he fell in love with her was the honest answer to her question. That isn't pressuring her. Lucas fans peeving me by saying he's pressuring her by saying it again. She asked him a question and it was his honest answer.
AND - him watching as Elizabeth goes to Nathan and they walk out together, and him following her... to look out the window. That was so damn creepy. I know Lucas fans got excited because in many movies a guy catches a moment that didn't mean anything and gets upset... but he didn't even really catch it unintentionally. HE FOLLOWED THEM!
@@peterthegreatj yes! Even the first I love you scene happened after ELIZABETH asked him to meet her after his trip...I agree he is simply being honest (finally) and it’s refreshing and nice and not something you can hold against him. It’s time for Elizabeth to make a clear choice so that Lucas can stop feeling so uncertain and insecure.
Love this! What is the music playing when they first step outside? Is it something significant?
When he says “thank you” and takes her hands the same music plays as during Allie’s adoption ceremony- them standing there together
Hey! I really love watching these scene analysis videos, I find them so interesting!
Thank you❤️ Since I’m not familiar with it and have so many more WCTH scenes to look at I can’t do that right now.
Nathan is back in the game baby! Whoooooooop whooooooop 🥳 🎊 🎉 🍺 🍻 🥂 🥳 🎊 🎉 🍺
That’s right ❤️
I think you are spot on. Lucas shows a little of his insecurity in his relationship with Elizabeth. The breath at the end from Nathan is a release of his guilt and his thankfulness of how Elizabeth doesn't blame him. Holding hands confirms their connection and respect for each other
What great actors. They are so into their characters. Lucas has always misread Nathan. Telling E. that Nathan would never be satisfied to be just friends. Believing N. has let Allie know how he feels about E., as if Allie doesn't have eyes. The entire town knows, in fact. Lucas telling A. that he and N.will work it out as if they are competing for a prize. Well, guess in a way they are but E. will be the one to work it out. Lucas does see N. as "competition". He is so insecure.
Sorry but i hope Nathan look at Elisabeth like a woman not like an award. Award is in Lucas' mind. When someone says the word gambler, i think they talk about the kind of mind and what he thinks.
Yes! They are giving us so much to work with!
Lucas saying this to Allie makes sense because (she is a kid) but I hope that he didn't really think he and Nathan have to work anything out! The decision is definitely on Elizabeth, NOT on the guys
@@orsetta7219 TN nathan doesnt look at her like a prize/award/trophy... He looks at her with enormous pride like hes soooo proud to know her & whi she is.. TL IM NOT SAYING L ISNT PROUD TO KNOW WHO SHE IS IM BOTH MEN ARE VRY VRY DIFFERENT WITH VRY VRY DIFFERENT UPBRINGINGS JUST EVER SINCE THEY BOTH APPEARED WHEN THEY DID IBE ALWAYS TRUSTED N BUT NEVER TRUSTED OR.LIKED Ls CHARACTER THERE WAS AND IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER THAT I JUST HAVE NEVER LIKED... WHEN Ns CHARACTER CAME ON I LIKED HIM EVEN WHEN HE WAS VRY CLEARLY IGNORANT & STUBBORN BUT I THINK HAD ALOT TO DO WITH THE GUILT HE WAS CARRYING TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A BAD GUY WHEN HE WASNT & ISNT BUT IVE ALWAYS TRUSTED HIS CHARACTER BUT NOT Ls
@@jeanpeet8817 I hope I understand you well, Nathan loves Elisabeth and works for getting her love. Between Nathan and Elisabeth, Lucas is not a presence, Lucas disappears. I don't remember a conversation between the two where Nathan talks about Lucas. Even when she went to Union City, Nathan doesn't ask. Elisabeth decided to tell him, I remember "you know why I'm going with Lucas, he asked". This season Lucas is always attentive to the relationship between Nathan and Elisabeth, he is very doubtful about how to understand it and this makes him nervous and also a little sneaky and in control.
Sincerely i'm team Nathan since the beginning.
@@orsetta7219 😘😀 I've been vry much a N supporter since he came on the show.... Kevin has played the role vry vry well... Hes awesome.... SERIOUSLY TEAM NATHAN LIKE YOU.... COME ONNNNN MANNNNN GET YOUR GIRLLLLLLL.... WAKE UP ELIZABETH OR SARGEANTS TAIL SHOULD SLAP YA FACE TO AND FROW (SORRY GOT CARRIED AWAY).... COME ONNNNN. NATHAN OR NO ONE POINT BLANK👊
Team dating yeah about time Lucas's out team Nathan's back on
POWERFUL POWERFUL scene at the end I am glad she finally releases Nathan from all the guilt he has been carrying
around for the last three years although, Lucas might have something up his sleeve because he has that jealous streak
in him after he seen them through the window
Yes!
heavy entertaiment did a poll on team nathan vs team lucas and team nathan won by 728 votes with team nathan having 1135 votes and team lucas only 407 so if hallmark is listening to is viewers the end result should be in our favor. and what good business goes with the smaller amount of votes!
I feel like the polls are always distorted (especially when one team shares the link to it, or the site is already biased) so I'm not sure about them anymore. But I think the Nathan storyline is just overall much deeper- no writer/producer/tv network would give that up
I go by what I see on all things SM. Overwhelmingly Nathan is the choice for most people, even on the ProLucas sites. I just can not fathom HM going against the fans on this first, but more importantly, going against the love story of Nathan and Elizabeth. Literally, it would be illogical to build this story up only for her to go with Lucas. Yes, I hate this triangle has been this way but I think it was meant to show true love runs deeper than just romantic gestures.
Ahhh such a good scene! I love your analysis videos, you always bring up things I didn't notice! I feel like it's really leaning towards Nathan. If not, what was the point of all this build up? I'll give Lucas some props though. Nathan did tell Lucas' girlfriend (essentially) that he loves her, twice. It's perfectly normal for Lucas to be upset at Nathan, but he has never lost his temper. He's stayed fairly calm through it all. I think he'll bow out gracefully when he realizes for sure where Elizabeth's feelings lie. I hope he does, because I would love to see Lucas and Nathan as friends instead of rivals. In the very few scenes where they've acted friendly towards each other, they had great friendly chemistry. So I hope they become friends. Anyway I'll quit ranting. Thanks for making these! 💜
Agree- but it’s definitely Elizabeth who has to set the boundary. And Lucas is feeling helpless because she isn’t
Also thank you❤️❤️
Love this video soooo much😍😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Glad Elizabeth is being honest. Nathan deserves her honesty. He has been hurt bad enough❤
Really good info about body language. 😊Nathan is sure at the beginning of the scene, Lucas is feeling frustrated and puzzled. Elizabeth has started making up her mind in knowing her true love
Now I’ve been checking this TH-cam for this video since Sunday night eeeeek my fav scene
Yaaaaaay! At last
Wow you did again I really wait for you to post everything starts making sense zThank you again
That's so sweet! Thank you!! I'm glad this helps.
my fiancee thinks shes just having nathan as the storyline to move on from jack and let go and forgive and let her heart move to lucas fully instead of wavering omg i hope not i will just die and cry forever. i dont see it that way i see it as opposite, lucas mom ruined their date anyways. but also that she said yes to lucas but her heart isnt fully in lucas and that these scenes are showing that her heart is calling to nathan
There's much more to explore yet with Nathan- like you said, there hasn't been a date with him. She has NOT given him a chance and it hasn't really been a triangle this season.
I agree with you totally! It has NOT been a triangle.@@thelittlescenes1185
The man that walked away from the woman that he loved even when it broke his heart because that’s what she wanted and he respected that, is the man that deserves Elizabeth’s love, and it’s not Lucas
So many comments about this new and very interesting episod and analyze.
Thank you so much. I enjoy.
The talk between Nathan and Lucas was great, Nathan ignores the understood about Elisabeth. Drink his glass and go away with it seems some satisfaction. Elisabeth sees the scene and realizes it's time to have a little talk with Nathan.
Finally Elisabeth opens her heart to Nathan not blaming him for Jack's death. They are both relieved, relaxed and helping each other.
I think the confidence is restored, so holding hands is something natural and the look is deep.😜
Lucas sees them, voluntarily or not, and his face beginning dark...how is he going to react? So many options, this man is so mysterious for me😕
Which behavior Elisabeth is going to have with those two now?
Here is my humble comment 😜 but I'm not still sure about the outcome 😏
Elizabeth goes after Nathan because she saw his upset look and he didn't acknowledge her ( because she has been ignoring him ).
Yes, confidence is indeed restored! And it did feel so natural for them to hold hands and also physically connect in this very healing moment (I guess hugs weren't a thing in 1918) Lol.
I can't wait for Sunday
@@thelittlescenes1185 very prude people in 1918. 😂😂
Believe me Lucas seeing them wasn't involuntary. He went to window to watch them and didn't like what he saw.
@@dorothysampson7414 Sure. He is jealous and he is wondering if Elisabeth is not going to escape him? So what he is going to do? Once again is he going to ask the wrong questions?
The great thing about Nathan is that he has the same level of respect when Elizabeth is around and when she’s not around, doesn’t seem so true for Lucas
Team Nathan! Nathan all the way!
#teamnathan
i really hope Elizabeth picks Nathan
I loved the " *Bill knows* " part
Loved it. This is my favorite channel!
Thank you!
I also wondered if you guys heard as E approaches Natan said to Bill "I never been married. Been in this town 3 years.?
If somebody can't look you in the eye that tells you something
Lindos ELISABETE e NEITAN final
#Team Nathan 💕
I love how you annylis my all time favourite show
Ive been on Team Nathan the whole time
I hope that thisopens a door for them :DD
Can you do the scene where they are at allies adoption ceromny
Lucas is a controlling person. He plays people like he is playing a card game. He is always checking his watch and plotting or planning his next move . Elizabeth is just another business plan. Business is what he is about. He will cut and run ( fold when he sees he is losing). He does not really love Elizabeth. He will not go into her home because he does not want to get personal. It is a business plan (deal). He tried to kiss her but she would not allow it yet. Elizabeth senses something but can not figure it out yet. I would not be surprised if we learn he is behind the financial group coming into Hope Valley.
Some argue that Lucas pushes Elisabeth to be better, the challenge to write a book for example. But is this challenge really improving Elisabeth? It is these life challenges that Nathan proposes to her that will make her a better woman, for her and for others. So Elisabeth really grows up. Deep connection, soul mate. If he chooses Lucas, what a wonderful, fantastic couple we and the show are going to lose. It is not possible.
Yes, I think it’s nice that he pushes her in regards to her book- but that’s about it.
Sure you want someone to push you but Lucas is also making her feel really comfortable, having a hard time speaking up to her, for example about how he feels about Nathan and I just think that Nathan is more secure in who he is and he will encourage Elizabeth where she needs encouragement, he’ll tell her when she’s wrong and he’ll also hold space for her when she’s upset. Nathan is so good at just being there without having to do anything. I love that
@@thelittlescenes1185 Please tell me where Elisabeth talks about forgiveness? I have a hard time if she really said the word forgiveness. Elisabeth doesn't have to forgive Nathan. Nathan feels guilty, but he's not guilty. Elisabeth just needs to let Nathan know that his feel guilt is wrong.
When Nathan and Elizabeth step outside of the saloon to speak, why is Nathan at first frustrated with what Elizabeth has to say? Is it because he is worried she will criticize him?
I think he didn’t know what she was going to talk about and when she started with jack it just made him more nervous to hear what else she would say...
Yes, I forgot what I wrote exactly but I said in my commentary that he expects more of what Lucas told him - and he obviously doesn't agree with that because he was simply being honest in telling E his feelings.
This frustration and annoyance and DEFENSIVENESS we see when they first step out is because he thinks she will be accusing/criticizing him and is bracing himself.
@@thelittlescenes1185 Thank you both so much for your input! I hope my comment didn't come off as accusatory, I was genuinely confused. 😂 That makes a whole lot of sense now!
Not at all! We’re not judging the characters we’re just observing. I’m glad we helped
@@thelittlescenes1185 Exactly. He was bracing himself for her to talk down to him or to yell at him again. He probably thought she was going to finish the conversation he had just walked away from having with Lucas.
Yassss!!! Ok but I am confused. So you think rosemary was upset because she looked after Nathan? When I watched the episode I couldn’t quite understand it then either.
She’s upset because she sees Elizabeth’s concern/connection/love for Nathan - but she couldn’t bring Elizabeth to recognize it and it caused a rift between them. Does that make sense?
@@thelittlescenes1185 ohhhh gotcha gotcha. That makes perfect sense
And after the hand holding do they go back to the reception and dance together?
Lol! No, I think Nathan may have brought her home and then went back to pick up Allie- or they just went to their respective homes
She’s going to pick Nathan, it breaks my heart for Lucas tho 😭 i love both guys for her and I can’t decide which one is best but I just have a feeling she’s going to pick Nathan, if she picks Lucas I will honestly be shocked.
Yo en comentarios anteriores, había expresado que la producción le dió un golpe muy duro a Nathan y que iba ser difícil remontarlo.No obstante pienso que Nathan se enciende y tiene buena chance de alcanzar lo que merece a toda plenitud su amor por Elizabeth.
Ya dije antes Nathan reconstituye la serie.En cambio Lucas la arruina totalmente, sería muy lamentable.Ya dije :Nathan ama a Elizabeth profundamente y a su hijo, tambien a Allie.Es familia es implícito en el.No así Lucas,el dinero no es todo en la vida.
Nathan, siempre Nathan es el elegido,y habrá buen final.
Allie is none of Lucus concern. He is just trying to hurt Nathsn.
Nathan and Elizabeth should have reached me, not Lucas, who looks like a gentleman
Love Nathan and Elizabeth, the perfect couple, true love 💕 💕
Yea, Lucas is so fake, pretending he is concerned about Allie. Allie has never been present when Nathan declares his love to Elizabeth. How does Nathan telling Elizabeth he loves her, affects Allie? He just wants Nathan to back off, which is fair enough. But he shouldn't pretend that this conversation is about his concern for Allie.
It irks me that he uses that as an excuse...like HE cares more about Allie than Nathan does. REALLY!
@@alicepahler7610 Exactly! He's just playing dirty now, trying to manipulate Nathan to back off, the same way he is always reminding Elizabeth that he's being patient while pressuring her.
Lucas likes to be in control! Like when he took Elizabeth manuscript and sent it to his mom with out talking to E! She was upset. Lucas just wants to win, he’s a gambler! I thinks it more control and winning than Lucas being in love with Elizabeth! He cares about Elizabeth, but not the same as Nathan! Elizabeth is attracted to L, but that doesn’t mean she has loving feelings towards him! But she always seeks N out or is looking to see where he is! Big difference!
I noticed at 4:52 Nathan first glances at Elizabeth when turning around and then almost does a double take. I was wondering what you'll have to say to that, but you didn't comment on it.
I was thinking he maybe saw how important the upcoming conversation is for her on her facial expression and it startles him into giving her his full attention (away from still being annoyed at Lucas and stressed about the situation).
What are your thoughts?
Yes- I saw it and I decided against commenting on it because I came to the conclusion that it isn't anything big.
You could be right and I haven't thought about it that way! It could definitely be him noticing her facial expression and being taken aback by it.
I thought he was just checking to see if she stopped walking - so I didn't further comment on it. I could also see it showing us some more of his hesitance and anxiety because of the fast eye movement?
TEAM NATHAN!!!!!!
#season9wouldbedivine
Yes!!!-- thank you!!!!!--i love it!
Thanks!!!