For many of these skills, the projectiles simply return normally, which is good for clearspeed with stuff like Lightning Trap with Pierce, but most seem unreliable because of the random direction. IMO, the best use for this is with skills that shotgun. For those of you that don't know, only projectiles that expire and produce a secondary effect, like an explosion, can shotgun. You can't hit the same enemy with more than 1 GMP Fireball projectile, but the explosions can overlap and damage the same enemy multiple times. For example, if you use Caustic Arrow with GMP and fire at your feet, the 5 overlapping explosions will damage the same enemy 5 times. With Nimis, this is doubled to 10 explosions, as it explodes at the end of the travel, and again at the end of the return. This requires standing directly on top of the enemy, but 10x damage is 10x damage. Caustic Arrow is unique in that it explodes both times (and every time it pierces a target, etc). Every other skill will only explode at your location, but that's still convenient. The skills I could see that shotgun in this way are: Caustic Arrow, Shattering Steel, Tornado Shot (to little benefit), Ice Shot, Essence Drain, and Fireball. EDIT: Someone pointed out Kinetic Blast. Sounds really good. Rolling Magma looks interesting as well.
I ran the divergent lightning trap last league and as soon as I heard about this gem I knew it would work well with it. Opens up an amulet spot since the divergent gem pretty much required a good ashes.
SST, Wild Strike, Vaal Caustic Arrow, Ice Spear, Frostbolt seem the most interesting to me. Lightning Trap could be huge as well (also love the spectral helix interaction lmao)
This is nice for clear but most laikly will fuck up single target dmg. From what i see to get max singletarget dmg you woud need to be exacly at the top of the boss witch is suecidal in many cases...
how do the projectiles react if you're moving around? can you accumulate a cloud of projectiles if they're slow and you run around with them or do they hit a cap and disappear?
@@lostinthesoup No idea, but it can only be one of 2 ways. Either it returns to the spot where it was fired, or where the subject firing it (in this case its you, since totems and trap/mines dont move) is located when the projectile starts returning.
@@kelex1298 Hopefully the latter, as it would make positioning feel like a large influence in the playstyle, kind of like when you kite Spectral Throw projectiles into a monster train
Spark seems weird to me. I noticed that not all projectiles return to you or am I mistaken? The one that shoots out at the bottom left of the screen for example.
Spark and Frost Blades seem like a bug. In the case of Tornado Shot, it's interesting that the primary projectile returns, which makes Nimis not useful for that. It would be important to know if the returning projectiles can shotgun.
So I think all these could shotgun Tornado shot's secondary projs could be insane. Ice shot's explosion Caustic arrow poison Shattering steel Splittling steel Spectral shield throw secondary projs And spark... What about Kinetic blast? Do the proj create the explosion at the end of the return travel or only on hit?
If it works like vengeant cascade, it hit and create new AOE when coming back When vengeant + hydrosphere was usable, it was actually more powerfull than power siphon for solo target dps ( cause it had twice the AOE on enemy hit + aoe on hydrosphere hit, sadly they killed the build with the changes )
It seems to be working with projectiles that do not get "spent" on hit. Or maybe the implementation of the item needs more work. Like spectral helix return should be helical as well, maybe...
Does the "you" position update when you move? Can you have a lot of movement speed and have projectiles constantly trying to reach you? I can see some strats there
so... wild stirke freezing pulse returns, but not freezing pulse. Also, it works with traps, and they return where the trap was, but it doesnt work with frost blades cuz reasons?
please can someone clarify for me , a lot of people say ethereal knives works but it doesnt seem to in this video can anyone confirm if it returns or not
So return just plain doesn't function with projectiles that expire at their max distance. Didn't know icicle mine was included in that...... I had been hopping to use shrapnel ballista totems with it, but seems its merked. shattersteel has a quirky interaction with it, but I think the skill still can't shotgun anymore. Likely doesn't work with holy flame totem then either..... Wonder how voidfletch would behave?
Now the question that I have is whether the returning projectiles always return to the position where you cast them or if they "chase you" cause some interactions could be well over op level
6:28 Blazing Salvo definitely returns. I even made a meme build with my Archmage and it did tons of damage in single target. Not sure why it behaves differently in this showcase video. Considering this comment is left 1 year after this video was initially posted, there's probably some changes made during this period of time.
the initial patch to the 2nd patch saw a lot of huge changes for return proj interactions. anything ground targeted did not return on release but did the patch after. anything infinite distance doubled its return distance in the second patch as well unfortunately.
How does this interact with remaining chains, fork and pierce? Cobra lash has innate chain, could that be why it did not return? Do projectiles return through all enemies even if there is no pierce left? Overall looks like ground targeting projectiles and mine/totem/ballista skills seem not to return. And skills only fire in random directions when self cast. Standout for me are creeping frost and steel skills. Depending on how the return is influence by chain and pierce this could also be great for ice shot, lightning arrow and SST. Super interesting item, great addition to the game.
I’m curious about its interaction with SST. When you cast hydrosphere and threw it, did it double hit? Could you do a golden rule self poison test? If my target has snipers mark on it will all the shield projectiles return? This would effectively make each new projectile 100% added damage effectiveness. SST is one of my favorite skills so I’m deeply interested. I haven’t have the time to farm enough for Nimis because of kids and holidays, but if it has some kind of great interaction with SST I could muster the willpower.
@@billy142857 It drain to much effort to make it 100%, second is that i tried it and it seems that its doesn't hit twice. And i suggest that Only 1 projectile will hit on return so 2x damage
finally saved up to get this ring for ball lightning and it just doesn't work nice. why make a super sick projectile ring that just randomly doesn't work for most of the game's projectiles?
@@kliersheed it keeps them in your general sphere for longer meaning you're getting more boss damage per spark. Nothing compared to what people have figured out about vaal fireball though
So vaal spark is actually kinda nutty then since it gives the skill a free wall on projectiles be it somewhere off the screen but still in open arena's like maven fight or sirus that's gonna be pretty good dps once the first ones start returning.
Wild Strike return looks legit as fuck. Rolling magma also looks pretty interesting, the fact that it changes direction every chain means it could theoretically hit the same target with every chain in the right situation by bouncing around the initial cast point.
Rolling magma seems to be able to get some nice overlap. Spark straight up double dps. Frostbolt could be interesting with the Ice Nova interaction Lighting Trap also very nice...if the returning proj can hit the same enemy again that is,
Spark seems rather lackluster, but might make better with hyper cast speed like self chill builds use... wonder if there's room for it in the build.... hmmm
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For many of these skills, the projectiles simply return normally, which is good for clearspeed with stuff like Lightning Trap with Pierce, but most seem unreliable because of the random direction.
IMO, the best use for this is with skills that shotgun. For those of you that don't know, only projectiles that expire and produce a secondary effect, like an explosion, can shotgun. You can't hit the same enemy with more than 1 GMP Fireball projectile, but the explosions can overlap and damage the same enemy multiple times.
For example, if you use Caustic Arrow with GMP and fire at your feet, the 5 overlapping explosions will damage the same enemy 5 times. With Nimis, this is doubled to 10 explosions, as it explodes at the end of the travel, and again at the end of the return. This requires standing directly on top of the enemy, but 10x damage is 10x damage. Caustic Arrow is unique in that it explodes both times (and every time it pierces a target, etc). Every other skill will only explode at your location, but that's still convenient.
The skills I could see that shotgun in this way are: Caustic Arrow, Shattering Steel, Tornado Shot (to little benefit), Ice Shot, Essence Drain, and Fireball. EDIT: Someone pointed out Kinetic Blast. Sounds really good.
Rolling Magma looks interesting as well.
I was always curious if caustic actually dealt more. Nice to know.
Doesnt creeping frost also deal explosion damage that shotguns?
Doesn't creeping frost could also shotgun? because i see theres a ground effect on returning. Idk about creeping frost much
Add kb to that list
Oh my god its jousis!
Can't wait for Mathil to make a Nimis AoE scaling rolling magma build that blows up the whole screen
Probably will do Ice Spear totems or handcast variant with it. he's done Ice Spear before.
It doesn't work with rolling magma though (only the "random direction" part works, but just use sire of shards for coverage).
It's neat that the random directions works on each bounce, maybe that mechanic itself could help with ST
@@gehirndoper with the "projectile can collide with terrain" from the deadeye ascendancy im pretty sure it can work with nimis
Palsteron did it already, check it
Im sad the return part doesnt seem to work with frost blades. That would have made it great for single target.
Yeah and slap in the face it works with Lightning Strike haha
Working as intended (Created this way to prevent gigafun damage)
decided to play frostblade this league because of this unique ring, my disappointment Is Immeasurable my day Is ruined.
doesnt matter, returning projectiles doesnt mean the skill can hit twice in the same attack
@@awemowe2830 It does actually. That is precisely why people wanted this capability to begin with.
Lightning Trap looks really enticing, don't think it'll ever beat the poison seismic meta, but still with this it will be quite powerful.
With sunblast that'll be cracked.
Yeah actualy the alternate qual for lightning trap make the projectiles comeback but if i remember correctly it cant hit the same target twice :(
@@host8021 Yeah, because it has different wording, this one might work (maaaybe)
@@Evil_Arthas tested on standard, it can hit the same target twice
@@host8021 I'm pretty sure it can. TH-camr midmax made a lightning trap character using this mechanic
Spectral helix really be like "I'm about to clock out"
I'd like to see Nimis with sire of shards, there's probably some broken interaction
In all likelihood, random directions trumps 'in a circle' from SoS so it's just +4 projectiles
@@seifeir6951 which would be pretty strong for some skills no?
@@seifeir6951 As someone who has gotten the random altar on a cwc sire build, yes it does trump it.
I ran the divergent lightning trap last league and as soon as I heard about this gem I knew it would work well with it. Opens up an amulet spot since the divergent gem pretty much required a good ashes.
Rolling Magma looks pretty good, almost like Seismic Trap in that it has both good coverage and multiple hits.
SST, Wild Strike, Vaal Caustic Arrow, Ice Spear, Frostbolt seem the most interesting to me. Lightning Trap could be huge as well (also love the spectral helix interaction lmao)
This is nice for clear but most laikly will fuck up single target dmg. From what i see to get max singletarget dmg you woud need to be exacly at the top of the boss witch is suecidal in many cases...
@@Asmitha90 shoot boss -> pierces behind -> projectile returns
its that simple
@@lizardass Projectile are fired in a random direction > Shoot in your back > Miss the boss
It's that simple
@@lizardass YOu cant force the direction of the proj so at most 30-50% proj will hit the target...
@@Asmitha90 get enough proj and itll work out, but yeah might be more of a map clearing thing
i might be too stupid to comprehend the glorious uses of this ring but i do like how goofy some of the skills are with it on
All skills showcase in the video is so satisfying, idk, i was head over heels for those eight minutes.
Lancing steel can have tons Of damage if placed om right spot.
I love you so much for making this unique. I finally saved up 32 divines and just bought it! So excited to make different builds with it!
Finally, some good NTR content
Wholesome ntr
What's NTR
@@chilibringer netorare, basically cucking but used in hentai and JAV because their fetish names are in Japanese
@@CubeBizz wait, you're telling me it doesn't stand for Nimis Topaz Ring?
@@nguyentri3608 that too
Damn was really hoping ball lightning would work :(
how do the projectiles react if you're moving around? can you accumulate a cloud of projectiles if they're slow and you run around with them or do they hit a cap and disappear?
Capped. Projectiles are always by distance travelled then disappear once it meets the travel distance cap or an object, scaled by projectile speed
Do they return to the spot where the skill was fired?
@@lostinthesoup No idea, but it can only be one of 2 ways. Either it returns to the spot where it was fired, or where the subject firing it (in this case its you, since totems and trap/mines dont move) is located when the projectile starts returning.
@@kelex1298 Hopefully the latter, as it would make positioning feel like a large influence in the playstyle, kind of like when you kite Spectral Throw projectiles into a monster train
@@trashcaster Agreed, makes for a much smoother feel of playstyle as well.
Spark seems weird to me. I noticed that not all projectiles return to you or am I mistaken? The one that shoots out at the bottom left of the screen for example.
Spark and Frost Blades seem like a bug. In the case of Tornado Shot, it's interesting that the primary projectile returns, which makes Nimis not useful for that. It would be important to know if the returning projectiles can shotgun.
Spark is intended and Fb is just not playtested enough, or tested and it deal insane damage so prevented on arrival
Wait, did Divergent Creeping Frost just get even stronger?
So I think all these could shotgun
Tornado shot's secondary projs could be insane.
Ice shot's explosion
Caustic arrow poison
Shattering steel
Splittling steel
Spectral shield throw secondary projs
And spark...
What about Kinetic blast? Do the proj create the explosion at the end of the return travel or only on hit?
If it works like vengeant cascade, it hit and create new AOE when coming back
When vengeant + hydrosphere was usable, it was actually more powerfull than power siphon for solo target dps ( cause it had twice the AOE on enemy hit + aoe on hydrosphere hit, sadly they killed the build with the changes )
What a cool item man, can't wait to see what people do with it.
I would have liked to see skills like Power siphon with barrage support
It'd work just like Barrage does.
Many become almost too random, but at the same time, many seem to be really strong. Fun item for sure.
Rolling Magma looked drunk
@@Cerytes xD
after seeing this ring no longer looks that interesting....however did i see it correctly? does spark almost double the duration??
Rolling magma was a surprise for me.
I guess each bounce is coded to be a "new cast".
LOL, creeping frost shotgun seem very OP
I think fireball is really good , big aoe and it can shotgun too
Does Unearth create corpse before it returns and after it treurns or only after it returns?
So how exactly does frostblade work here? will it shotgun with at least 1 or 2 proj on bosses?
Mm thinking of coc ice spear with this ring, does it still return if we did not cast them manually?
you said that ball lightning will return if has a wall. Does frostwall counts as a wall?
I do not believe ball lightning will return on wall impact since it doesn't actually impact. Could you give it a try?
What happens with totems? I assume it works the same. Spark totems going to be wild with this
It seems to be working with projectiles that do not get "spent" on hit. Or maybe the implementation of the item needs more work. Like spectral helix return should be helical as well, maybe...
Does the "you" position update when you move? Can you have a lot of movement speed and have projectiles constantly trying to reach you? I can see some strats there
yes, they track
so... wild stirke freezing pulse returns, but not freezing pulse. Also, it works with traps, and they return where the trap was, but it doesnt work with frost blades cuz reasons?
what about vaal versions, eg vaal fireball?
shattering steel overlap potential lol
Is spark duration longer or does it travel faster because of the return?
Duration is doubled
Do they follow you if you move while they're returning, or just return to where it was cast?
Spectral helix was a real let down. I thought that it would spin all the way back. It would be awesome!
please can someone clarify for me , a lot of people say ethereal knives works but it doesnt seem to in this video can anyone confirm if it returns or not
How does it work with vaal fireball? Since every individual projectile can hit the same enemy
How does this interact with fury valve? Must be wonky as hell
Unfortunate that it doesn't work with EK, but definitely has some sick interactions with other skills
hear me out, maybe with some projectile speed it works. Im hoping it does and will have to test it but currently its like 30div soooo..
@@kanomadethis People definitely get jebaited. In the end Nimis work lot lot worse than i thought, kinda disappointed 😞
Pretty sure it works if you hit a target just like the bow from endless delve
@@kanomadethis I don't think so. It looks likes the projectile vanishes to place lingering blades. It can't return if it doesn't exist.
@@trackts im high on COPIUM just let me dream man :'(
creeping frost look like it can shotgun twice ( with ur old creeping frost build )
What happened when use siren the staff + nimis +vengeant cascade?
is this working with spark or am i coping
So return just plain doesn't function with projectiles that expire at their max distance. Didn't know icicle mine was included in that...... I had been hopping to use shrapnel ballista totems with it, but seems its merked. shattersteel has a quirky interaction with it, but I think the skill still can't shotgun anymore. Likely doesn't work with holy flame totem then either..... Wonder how voidfletch would behave?
why does Jungroan's text look different in game?
How does Rolling Magma behave with this and Sire of Shards???
If you chain with molten strike.......Could you just triple your single target dps or something insane with this item? Seems like a wild possibility.
Now the question that I have is whether the returning projectiles always return to the position where you cast them or if they "chase you" cause some interactions could be well over op level
Could you add chapters to it so we can just look at the skill we want?
6:28 Blazing Salvo definitely returns. I even made a meme build with my Archmage and it did tons of damage in single target.
Not sure why it behaves differently in this showcase video. Considering this comment is left 1 year after this video was initially posted, there's probably some changes made during this period of time.
the initial patch to the 2nd patch saw a lot of huge changes for return proj interactions. anything ground targeted did not return on release but did the patch after.
anything infinite distance doubled its return distance in the second patch as well unfortunately.
A lot of skills only return once you get high enough projectile speed.
How does this interact with remaining chains, fork and pierce? Cobra lash has innate chain, could that be why it did not return?
Do projectiles return through all enemies even if there is no pierce left?
Overall looks like ground targeting projectiles and mine/totem/ballista skills seem not to return. And skills only fire in random directions when self cast.
Standout for me are creeping frost and steel skills. Depending on how the return is influence by chain and pierce this could also be great for ice shot, lightning arrow and SST.
Super interesting item, great addition to the game.
SST also has chains and returned. Seems like it's just cobra lash being weird
I’m curious about its interaction with SST. When you cast hydrosphere and threw it, did it double hit? Could you do a golden rule self poison test? If my target has snipers mark on it will all the shield projectiles return? This would effectively make each new projectile 100% added damage effectiveness. SST is one of my favorite skills so I’m deeply interested. I haven’t have the time to farm enough for Nimis because of kids and holidays, but if it has some kind of great interaction with SST I could muster the willpower.
Spark when returns have indefinite duration?
I want to see that crazy Rolling Magma Build of the Week from a few months ago use this gem.
Thank you for this video Jung
Wil it deal second damage when the projectile comes back?
by the way can you test it with saqawls tornado?
what happens when you move does it follow you
Coc lancing steel ice spear with that ring would be insane
bro, show me the atlas tree and when will there be a full guide on the scion dot cold?
that lightning trap looks sick af
Does it double the duration for spark?
how do you get a different font?
Lightning Trap, Soulrend and Scourge Arrow all look really interesting. Can't wait to see what builds people make.
Divergent Lightning trap can return. There are already some guides for it for quite some time. It is pretty strong.
@@billy142857 It drain to much effort to make it 100%, second is that i tried it and it seems that its doesn't hit twice. And i suggest that Only 1 projectile will hit on return so 2x damage
@@Evil_Arthas You don't need to have 100% chance since only one return projectile can hit. I think 50% return is good enough.
finally saved up to get this ring for ball lightning and it just doesn't work nice. why make a super sick projectile ring that just randomly doesn't work for most of the game's projectiles?
go home projectiles, you are drunk!
*proceeds to come back "home"*
is this like a "spell echo" with delay?
This actually looks super strong for spark
ditr it even work? so little projectiles looked like they just came back randomly
@@kliersheed it keeps them in your general sphere for longer meaning you're getting more boss damage per spark.
Nothing compared to what people have figured out about vaal fireball though
So vaal spark is actually kinda nutty then since it gives the skill a free wall on projectiles be it somewhere off the screen but still in open arena's like maven fight or sirus that's gonna be pretty good dps once the first ones start returning.
So is ball lightning bugged or?
When your dad went out to get milk and didn't come back so you won a race to get something to compensate.
Would sire of shards overwrite the random proj?
Does it work with Sire of Shards?
is there possible with spark mine?
What about from totems/ballistas on like ea/ca,etc?
this item is like: build all AoE you can, now you have a discharge effect, also frostbolt or soulrend, and others that have forced pierce look good
Feels like Tornado shot might turn into some very interesting bossing skill with this
Wait, you mean to tell that all these 100M+ DPS tonado shot builds we've had over the past 3 leagues were not good enough bossing builds?
@@g4mb4lho They were boring.
THIS is interesting
@@yeah5874 Not gonna challenge that, NTR IS interesting!
Only initial projectiles can return, not secondary. Pretty useless for TS.
@@rammune7260 Awwwwwww you ruined my hype, you should have let me dream!!!!! not like i was ever getting the ring in ssf but now im sad
Wild Strike return looks legit as fuck. Rolling magma also looks pretty interesting, the fact that it changes direction every chain means it could theoretically hit the same target with every chain in the right situation by bouncing around the initial cast point.
Rolling magma was magma orb, so you can now Morb all over the enemies.
Rolling magma seems to be able to get some nice overlap.
Spark straight up double dps.
Frostbolt could be interesting with the Ice Nova interaction
Lighting Trap also very nice...if the returning proj can hit the same enemy again that is,
magma does not overlap at all
Do the returning projectiles hit the target again?
I wonder how this would function with items such as The Hidden Blade or Cameria's Avarice.
Spark seems rather lackluster, but might make better with hyper cast speed like self chill builds use... wonder if there's room for it in the build.... hmmm
spark gets double damage from the ring. a clean, post-calc modifier
Holy Shit you can make Spectral throw come back to you? This ring might be too OP
KEKW
wild strike looks spicy!
Hey, what about kinetic blast ?
So it looks like it works with spark or I'm I wrong.
Might have to give this ago with Lightning Strike, been loving the CoC Fireball build with it but Lightning Strike might actually be insane
coc ice nova + [frostbolt+nimis]
again and again cast ice nova on all frostbolt return???????
Never really noticed the audio the arrows make.
Wait. EK didnt comeback? I dont know why ?
So would a frostwall lightning ball situation work?
Ball lightning did not work for some reason, I wonder if skills that pierce cannot return, since Freezing Pulse did not return either.
@@himself0424 the frostbolts did though and they also pierce all targets
@@himself0424 I guess they took care of all the most op skill interactions. Atleast the obvious spell ones from what we can tell .
Disappointed that Ball Lightning ignores it, but Creeping frost explosions shotgun so I might swap my trapper to that with it.
freezing pulse/wild strike look insane, also I wonder why icicle mine, eow and frostblades didnt work.
What about items with projectiles?
So its doesnt work with eye of winter :(