Fanatec CSL DD and McLaren GT3 V2 Wheel Review - AMAZING!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
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Here is my review of the Fanatec CSL DD wheelbase, McLaren GT3 V2 steering wheel, CSL DD Boost Kit, and the QR1 Lite quick release.
🕐 CHAPTERS 🕐
0:00 Intro
0:32 Overview
2:21 Unboxing
7:42 CSL DD and McLaren GT3 V2 Features
9:50 Review
10:32 Good, Neutral and Bad
15:30 Final Thoughts
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eyyy Mike, glad you've joined the club and enjoy the wheel base. I love the CSL DD. I'd recommend the R330 for oval/rally racing. I looked through the ecosystem for a very long time. Just pair it with the podium hub rather than the xbox hub - there's a vast quality difference!
I loved running that Mclaren wheel adapted to the Accuforce. One of my favorite wheels I ever used. Also I'm stoked for you with the success of your channel. I know how time consuming this stuff is and I love seeing my sim racing friends grow bigger and bigger. You the man Mike! Congrats!
Hey Dan! Always great to see you name man. Thanks for the kind words. Hope all is well my guy
Congratulations Mike, for the rest of us we can buy one next year.
I hope everyone who wants one gets their hands on it soon
@@SimRacing604 I’m gonna pre order it soon do you think i will get it before they run out
Mike looks like he's a smiling kid with a new toy. So wholesome
These things are basically toys
Thanks man! I do love it
I just purchased a Simucube 2 pro. Just waiting for it to be shipped. Love your channel!
Congrats Mike! I just got notification my CSL DD is arriving this weekend. I can't wait!
Got about the same feeling as you this Wednesday!!! Great vid man!!!
Coming over from the simterview, glad to see you have upgraded, can't wait for mine later this year!
I watched tons of reviews, but yours is definitly the one that will make me buy it 😁👌
Thanks for the review……bought mine already 👍🏼
Your living the Dream Mike, great to see you doing so well, with awesome gear! I also bought one of your merch from the store, hope it helps in some way :) Keep up the good work :)
your enthusiasm really comes out on your videos, great job
I can sense your excitement in the video! So cool! Mine comes in January!
Way to go! I'm happy for you mate. Hope you're enjoying every last minute of using your shiney new toy! :)
Awesome man! Love the energy!
I have to Congratulate you as well Mike, your channel is getting bigger!!
Congrats, Mike! I bought on pre-release in May and mine arrived last week also! Still to unbox 😀.
Short and sweet review waiting for mine to arrive, hoping it will be here before Christmas... Have fun hope to see you all in sim racing soon.
I can not wait for my csldd to arrive! Good review!
Great review Mike👍 I have the exact same setup; with V3 pedals. I can only agree 100% with what you said; this kit, for the price, is incredible🔥After upgrading from a G29, simracing has gone into another dimension for me; awesome 😎
Great review. Thanks
Another great review Mike. Love the way your enthusiasm for all things sim shines through. Try not to drool on the electronics though - I don't think that's covered under warranty 😉
Getting mine today!! Finally!
Love it. Reminds me of my kids at Christmas. Well deserved
Thanks Mike 😍 getting mine very soon.
Dude, just wanna say, the thumbnail is top tier!
Hey nice review Mike 👍. I received my CSL DD with McLaren wheel yesterday and had my first experience last night. It was absolutely mind blowing! Especially after coming from using a T300 for years, this has changed the game for me. Im also waiting on a round wheel from Fanatec, I went with the R330 but there are so many delays at the moment. The McLaren will certainly make the wait easier.
Enjoy your new toys Mike.
Nice review. I have the same combo. And I'm absolutley in love with it. One of the things I really like with the CSL DD is the small size of it. It can get really close to the monitor. And yea that McLaren rim is 👌
Nice to hear you like the CSL DD! I'm really liking mine, and don't miss my old DD1! 😃👌
I've broken pins on one of my Fanatec rims, my old Formula black rim after +4 or 5 years. Was out off waranty, but Fanatec let me buy a new main cable for 5 euro that I was able to swap in 20 minutes or so.
Excited for the future hoping this wheel gets other manufacturers to deliver an affordable entry level dd wheel for the common joe. Would really like to see a 6 month use review.
Absolutely! I’ll keep you posted for a long term review
The Mecca rim is epic. I love mine so much, I got the USB kit so I can use it with AccuForce DD.
Great video Mike, enjoy the new kit!
Nice one Mike, Enjoy. I had my eyes on the Fanatec but ive taken a big liking to the Simagic Alpha Mini lately 😊
Hi Mike
I am still rocking my Accuforce v2 wheel and to this day still loving it .
Subbed. Also, you sold me on this. Just bought one today!
Awesome to hear! You’re going to love it
Ive owned a Force feedback-less wheel for the past 2 years and thought it would be time to up the experience a bit since i play every single day. My original plan was to buy a T300 RS GT, but when i did a bit of research i found out direct drive wheels are more precise but also more expensive. I put a setup together and landed on exactly the same setup you have. Ive watched the video and you've convinced me to buy one of these for christmas. Thank you a lot brother!
Awesome, thank you for watching brother! You won’t be disappointed
I think that's a fair statement on your part.
but I do think they went into a board room and asked "how can we squeeze more money out of our customers..." Lol and the solution was the "boost kit", the USB conversion cables for PC use with their handbrake, shifter and pedals, the load cell kit costing more than the CSL elite pedals themselves and the "brake kit" for the V3 pedals which was an insane price for a few peices of cylindrical rubber.
Anyway, you did a very nice job with the video and I do agree this is the wheelbase to beat now, it is the new "StandarDD" ;)
Thanks my dude!
On that note, any reliable 3rd party power bricks spotted already? I'm happy atm with my 5nm but still curious to know.
@@misterdog7 I am actively working on locating one pre built but as you may know you can diy one for 20-25 dollars currently. Look up "Polymer CSL dd" or something along those lines on TH-cam and you should find his tutorial.
@@DouglasThompson I'm a patient man, and in the meantime I don't burn down the house with some DIY lol
Don't forget their QR. If you don't have theirs, then the force feedback won't work. Although you can buy just one podium hub and attach a QR to that but then you have about a foot long extension.
the mclaren wheel is a great wheel! pretty much the perfect size for most applications, lightweight, comfortable handles, good button clicking feel...
only thing I would change is make it actual carbon fiber as a premium version
Excited for you I can’t wait till I can move up to something like that
I got tired of waiting for the CSL DD ( mine was going to show up at around this time too). I went on OfferUp and found one brand new for $520 with the 8nm booster kit. :D Didn't think twice. I had mine now for almost 2 months and it was the best investment I made in a while. Great video!
I was lucky enough to get one within the first batch, this exact combination (with the boost kit) and I too can highly recommend it.
Same here really pleased with my CSL DD (boost kit), McLaren wheel and the v2 peddles
Thanks Mike for the review!! This would be my upgrade setup from the t300. I also see there is a Black Friday round p1 v2 simple rim for $100 coming up I may try and snag also since I do a lot of nascar on iracing and don’t need anything mega fancy. 🍻
I personally think the CSL DD looks awesome. Love machines that integrate functional things. Making the heat sink also be the T-nut slots is just awesome.
Hi Mike, great review! I am loving my CSL DD with boost kit! If you are looking for a round wheel for supercars or rally, I can recommend the WRX or the porsche 918 RSR wheel (now replaced with the Clubsport steering wheel RS). Both wheels are great value for money and work really well with the CSL DD. And if you order a new wheel, buy the boost kit as well! Have fun!
Lets goooo Mike!
I have the same setup with an aiologs shifter and a VNM Hand Brake. welcome to the cub!
Big warm hug Mike!!!
Hi Ariel! Great to hear from you mate! I hope all is well
Great video Mike, not helping my resistance as I sit here with a CSW 2.5.
Love the "reunboxing" of the Mclaren wheel 😁
Oh and for rally, the Mclaren wheel isn't horrendous. I preferred it to my round Fanatec wheel as that was too small a diameter for me. Not ideal, but nice feedback for rally!
Welcome to the Fanatec Fanatics. The main reason I went with them was immersion in having so many wheels with a good quick release system - between their wheels and real life ones I modded, I have 11, switching for each series, including an old TM I didn't want to let go of.
I was hoping this would be a giveaway until he said "my equipment", heartbroken. Ah well congrats on the upgrade, have a good day 😅
So do you like the GT3 v2 wheel better than the Simagic GT4 wheel you reviewed? I own a GT3 v2 but was thinking about upgrading to the Simagic GT4 so would love to hear your opinion since you've tried both.
waiting on mine to arrive, pre-ordered a month or two ago and it's set to release sometime this year..
did you use M6x25mm to mount the base? I just picked up this setup and plan on mounting it to my NLR wheel stand 2.0.
Man, loving that quality brother... Load up on XRP and buy up all those rims in 2022.
I have one question Mike , after Fanatec responded to your request how long did it take them to send you the CSL DD?
How does cloud tuning with the Accuforce compare with the Fanalab profiles? Are you saying the Accurforce isn’t as good because it takes too long to find a setting you like even with cloud tuning?
I hope Fanatec send you a DD1 or 2 plus the new BMW wheel for review!
Great review video. Keep it up 👍🏻 Cmon Fanatec, give us details on CSL DD for PSN. 100% be ordering when released. Love my CSL ELITE but want to get in to DD. Hopefully the DD will be compatible with all devices, just like my CSL ELITE. That’s what I love about the PSN version. Can play PS then just change to Xbox with a press of a button.
U are very lucky, good luck with it
Thanks for your honest review, you also clarified the question I had about the quick release. I just have one additional question, and is it how the whole package came packed? Since I will import it to a country in Latin America and I need to know what the original packaging is like. If in a single box the CSLDD base came together with the boost kit and in another box the GT3 wheel and the quick release box came together
Thanks for watching! I can’t speak to how every package is shipped, but mine was the wheel, quick release and boost kit in one box, then the CSL DD in another box
Huh... What! But, but, but...
You has an Accuforce?!? I must watch this when I get a break from work.
I jumped straight to the "good bad neutral" segment. I whole heartedly agree with what you said about the pricing. I did take the plunge and got the boost kit with my wheel, and I am glad that I did. It screams what the tires are doing, and punches hard enough for me to have to release the wheel if I end up sampling some guard walls. Good stuff...
I believe Fanatec aimed for 8nm, and then paired the base unit back to 5nm, on order to cover both the CSW and CSL-E wheel bases. I could be wrong though. Either way, its a great wheel and it will take a lot to beat it.
Those pins make me nervous too 😬
I’m also a bit confused with the power upgrade or whatever they call it. Would have been better off just offering that.
nice. first the seat, now the wheel ;) guess someone has to send you new pedals or 3 monitors ;)
Im curious if you found any easy to fit Mounting bracket for Ariels (simracing 4u) Button box ? to the wheel base.
L-brackets. They can be had for cheap, and then all you need is a couple of bolts and nuts
I'll be buying a CSL DD early next year hopefully when the playstation compatible CSL DD is released. I have the CSR Elite pedal set which I will be using. I'll just need a wheel rim. I'll also be buying the boost kit package.
At the moment I'm using a Thrustmaster T300 with Ferrari 599 30 wheel rim. I'm using a Basherboard CPX adapter to connect my pedals to the T300 because I use the wheel on PC and PS4.
The Gran Turismo DD Pro is awesome man!!
@@lestercombs1871 I don't changed my mind 😂 mainly because I don't really play racing games that much. It's not really spending €700 for me plus I have more important things I need to get for my house first
I have this setup. It’s a beauty
Wicked man! I’m glad you like it
@@SimRacing604 the way it conveys wheel slip is mad! It blows my old CSW 2.5 out of the water
I love mine too, use it for a month now, and i'm really happy that it works well with my shitty Wheelstand Pro, so i dont need to buy a more serious stand or rig.
So if I spend $550 for the Mclaren GT3 wheel & the DD1, the only other thing I would need is pedals from fanatec? I’m trying to get into sim racing & my biggest thing is do I go fanatec or just go Logitech for now.
Buy the WRC rim if you fancy rallying or road car goodness Mike, cheap and light too so FFB feels great.
I second this ... Definitely worth the money
Ok ... seems reasonable.. Ariel says double sided tape. I figured Fanatec would have a bracket . Did you use the Wheel base inserts or your PIT frame ? I dont have a frame or stand yet.
could you tell me what the total depth is from the back of the base to the front of the rim please?
I feel the boost kit is a must. Without the difference to a T300 was not that big. Sure better fidelity and some accuracy. The boost changed theexperience to another level
Coming from G29 it is day and night after some tweaking. If the boost kit wouldn't be that expensive, I would buy it... But IMHO the CSL LC pedals are much more needed.
i think looks goes great with aluminium profile rigs
Such a great honest and balanced review, so tempting to upgrade from a Logitech g29! Would like to know what the best full (rally) wheel would match this? Would it be better to buy both the McLaren GT3 and WRC rally wheel or go for higher end wheel with the CSL DD base?
Get the WRC wheel for the CSL DD first, like I did. That alone is a versatile wheel and will work with pretty much any game, unlike the GT3 wheel which may feel awkward for rallying. The WRC wheel is really light and it will certainly help the user feel a bit more of the transmitted forces through the motors shaft because the motors momentum won't have much weight to work against as it's running
@@Khans0120 Thanks for the advice, sounds like the best option. I'll probably wait for the CSL DD playstation version as Gran Turismo 7 is coming and I'd use pc over Xbox for sims.
I'm going to be joining he queue for this combo very soon (hopefully)
You’ll love it man!
Do it man, whenever you can, here in Cali the preorder date got pushed back to january
For anyone having issues with the CSL DD (I assume this also extends to the CSL DD PRO)
* Not being able to calibrate the H-pattern mode of the SQ 1.5 shifter:
(1) Try with the short cable provided with the shifter.
(2) If unsuccessful, unmount the wheel base, hold it tightly between your legs and try with short cable.
** Wheelbase or steering wheel disconnects in driver page or FFB/buttons/pedals quit working in-game:
- on pc -
(1) Connect the wheelbase with a wheel mounted and turn it on.
(2) Open the driver page.
(3) If everything seems connected, tighten the black C-clamp on the wheelbase shaft a bit (or to 15Nm torque) and see if the issue persists
(4) If the issue persists or something shows to be disconnected: Loosen the black C -clamp on the wheelbase shaft till you can rotate it slightly without too much effort.
(5) Rotate the clamp gently till the driver page shows everything connected
(6) Tighten the black C-clamp on the wheelbase shaft a bit (or to 15Nm torque) and see if the issue persists
I've had both issues, where the disconnection issues got worse and worse till the both of my wheels showed disconnected permanently. And after a month of trying drivers/firmware/usb-ports etc. these solutions solved my issues.
*** On my initial fresh install of my CSL DD with Boost kit, the FFB was very weak. This was resolved quickly for me by uninstalling and re-installing the drivers again.
Great video.
It's a shame that Fanatec don't ship to New Zealand :(
I'd be so keen to upgrade to this setup.
Thanks very much! I didn’t know Fanatec won’t ship to NZ. That’s a shame. Big market for them to miss out on
@@SimRacing604 it is yeah.
Not sure if this can be purchased on Amazon or something, but I'll look.
Mike, why are you replacing your Accuforce with a wheelbase with less power? Curious as someone who is looking to upgrade to the DD world soon. Great review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! The first reason is the McLaren wheel. I love the buttons much better than the AF buttons. And the FFB is basically on par with the AccuForce, less a bit of punch at very acute moments. Although RaceRoom on my AccuForce is still the best FFB I’ve felt in a sim, the amount of tuning required to get there is far more than is required in the Fanatec world. In Fanalabs, you just double click one of the pre-installed FFB profiles (which include notes on in-game settings) and you’re good to go. The Fanatec presets are much more inline with what I look for in FFB
@@SimRacing604 you can use the McLaren wheel with your Accuforce.
@@doylebbq4329 I’ve seen that, yeah. How does that work with the buttons?
@@SimRacing604 Yes, the AF buttons aren't the best but it is pretty easy to use third party wheels. I use a Turn R20 evo racing wheel with a custom built button box on my AF2. I still use the original wheel for rally racing. Fanatec shipping to Canada is pretty bad. Personally (besides using Foundation feedback in DR1), I having felt any need to go beyond the cloud tuning.
@@GoezTo11 yeah, I have a Turn Racing wheel as well. You’re right, it was an easy instal
I had the McLaren wheel for a week when i got the CSL DD but i sent it back and got the Formula V2.5 wheel instead (not the x version, dont like alcantara), i was not satisfied with how the McLaren wheel felt quality wise. Yes, the form factor is great, especially for longer races, but the downsides outweighed the pro's for me. The shifters dont feel punchy enough and the grip feels almost sticky and makes your hands hot after a while driving. Taking into consideration that the QR1 for a standalone price of 100€ is included in the 350€ for the Formula V2.5 wheel you could argue that the quality wise way superior V2.5 wheel comes at only 50€ more than the McLaren wheel plus QR1 which is a no brainer to me. Yes its noticeably smaller and i needed a few races to get used to it after the McLaren wheel but immediatelly it felt better and now the whole setup feels just perfect.
As far as prices go for the CSL DD 5 or 8 nm, i just would look at it as two different wheel bases so to speak. A 350€ one and a 480€ one, problem solved. :D
And even at a price point of 480 its still by far the cheapest DD base on the market, so no complaints there. I have no idea about the production costs for the CSL DD or the profit margins of Fanatec but i can imagine that the 480 price is where its actually at for them and while probably they still make a good profit at 350€ it's likely a lower margin than what they usually go for, its an aggressive price point to get as many people in their eco system as possible, can't blame them tbh.
I'm guessing if I'm back in Logitech G920 land that even 5nm is going to feel noticeably better even before the increased... resolution.
How did you get the csl dd so early
Have you ever used a CSW 2.5? If so, how would you compare the two?
I have a CSW v2.5, and have had my "Boosted"CSL DD for two months(first wave order). The FFB strength(w/Boost Kit) isn't any different, but the fidelity is noticeably better. Very much smoother being direct vs belt. But oh SO much quicker, as far as your response in correcting for loss of control situations. I'm able to catch slides before full loss of traction, because of the quick response of the direct drive. Before my CSW v2.5, I had a Logitec DFGT, and the upgrade to the CSW was night and day. But even though the difference between the CSW and the CSL DD isn't "night and day", it is a noticeable upgrade in fidelity and quickness in response. With the CSL DD, you feel more subtle nuances of road texture, vs the CSW v2.5. I feel the upgrade was worth it. I have the V3 pedals as well. And I'm keeping my CSW v2.5 as a backup in case the CSL DD needs service.
😸✌🏻
The lack of response from FANATEC is normal. Nothing has changed. A very frustrating company do deal with.
Silly question, if I upgrade from a g29 to this, do I need to buy new pedals? I would eventually, but just not sure if I want to right away.
Not a silly question at all. I don’t believe the G29 pedals can be used without the wheelbase, so unfortunately you’d need a set of pedals to complement this
@@SimRacing604 Thank you! That is what I had thought. Love your videos please keep up the great work!
You could sell the g29 and cover some of the costs of the pedals. Just a thought
People should stop looking at the boost kit as Fanatec ripping people off for a power supply. I think, in reality, they actually designed it from the beginning to have 8 Nm, but they wanted to hit that $350 price point. So they offered it with the smaller supply (likely at a very slim margin or even a loss) to get people in the door and compete with the other entry level wheel bases. The boost kit is priced to allow them to recoup some of that missing margin, and they know that once people enter the ecosystem, they will likely buy other Fanatec gear. Since they are a larger company people tend to imagine them as this evil corporation, but Fanatec has done a lot for the sim racing community. Before them, there was no middle tier between Logitech/Thrustmaster and high end DD bases. Their pedals are one of the best values on the market, and the same goes for their rims. Plus, at the end of the day, they are a business. They need to make a profit so their employees can earn a solid wage, and they can invest in developing new products for us. The least we can do is give them some benefit of the doubt.
Congrats to Mike on the new gear. It's awesome to see you so thrilled. We're all really happy you are still making videos too. Keep up the great work! Cheers!
Well I mostly agree, I think it's great for those who want a DD at a good price of $350, but the idea of a $150 laptop power brick is very off putting and scummy even if it's for business reasons. Personally as a consumer I would have preferred if they marketed it the csl dd with 8nm power supply as the main package and the csl dd 5nm as a the csl lite.
Great setup ! i got one too ! great setup for the price, wheel is way under priced me thinks... dont tell !
A couple of weird issues using Assetto Corsa with Content Manager (per your video)
I cant get the DSR button to tell me its working ? I mapped in setup, is there something that tells you its ON/OFF
update** I added DSR integrated Add on to Content Manager and also SimHub feature but its a process I guess...
The 'funky' stick on the McLaren wheel wont work with any mappings, (look around) except the depress option ?
update** This only occurs in the F1-1 (full Cockpit position) weird...
Hey there! Regarding DRS, there is typically a light on the vehicle dash to show whether the DRS flap is open.
And regarding AMS2, I believe Steam is the only place to purchase it for now
5Nm is plenty for anyone coming from a G29 or similar as they only peak out at somewhere around 2.3Nm. And the DD is almost twice that and bonus of smoothness and extra detail.
Totally agree, yeah
Agreed .. I’ve just come from g29 to the 8nm CSL DD.. with full ffb I need to go to the gym a few times a week.. It’s really heavy.
Just received the same kit as you, my Mclaren wheel lasted 2 hours before failing. No display or recognition by the wheelbase, dead not quite on arrival.
Oh no!! That stinks. Is Fanatec going to take care of the replacement?
@@SimRacing604 Hi Mike, thanks for the message, I have started the process and been asked various questions but I don't know where I stand as yet. It was all going so well, really enjoying the new setup then something happened and the FFB and display went dead while driving in ACC and that was that, the CSL DD base seems fine but the wheel is not even recognised by the software : (
The trusty old T300 will have to come out of it's 1 day retirement.
@@vee10pfs ah gotcha. That’s too bad. Hopefully the return process goes smoothly and you’re back to the Fanatec world soon!
@@SimRacing604 I'm in the UK so Brexit is causing issues with our European friends so it may take a while. Thanks Boris and chums 👊
Better then an accuforce?
I have one for my accuforce. Won’t be getting rid of the accuforce anytime soon unless something drastically different comes along. Even being a slightly lower powered stepper motor I haven’t felt anything better in games like ACC after being tuned up with SimCommander 4. The only tuning it takes to get there now is a single click on the cloud tuning icon and that even covers all of the cars.
Thank you for the info about the accuforce and simcommander 4.
The bigger problem with Fanatec fort us Canadian its the shopping cost with the Exchange rate, that kills its value for Can dollars
I've been reading something like this, you pay the shipping to like ups or whatever your provider is right? Instead of fanatec themselves? And tax is different?
Waiting for mine March 14th. Can I try yours? If so I'll trade the favor and let you drive my 911 GT3 on track next year to do a comparison.
Assuming with the 604 tag in your handle you're in Vancouver.
Did you recive it? or still waiting.
@@RaFaLSteamowiec still waiting of course. Fanatec already charged it in December. They have the absolute worst system when it comes to ordering and shipping.
If you can get a csl dd ud buy one now but with a round rim
No
I bought the CSL Elite and a month and a half later they drop the CSL DD 🤦🏾♂️🥺😢😭
Lol
Send it back
Biggest problem for me is that it’s not compatible with Ps5… and it’s not available anywhere.
I had the mclaren rim, and sent it back, the shifter was clunky and didn't funtion accuratly, in my case anyway. If your looking for a round rim, my WRC rim is awesome, and the same price as the Mclaren rim.
Those are the two wheels I'm considering getting on black Friday. How are they each? Quality feel? Why do you think the shifter is clunky on the McLaren?
@@whereta3097 For me, being used to the smooth WRC rim, the Mclaren rim shifter felt stiff and clunky, the positive shift i was used to wasn't there, maybe i had a dodgy rim. But i didn't like the feel. The WRC rim is excellent.
@@tonedcos good to hear, I'll definitely get the wrc then!
The only downside I can see is the quick release. It's not great.
The power supply addon is a total rip-off!
Go on
Whimps wheel !!!!! your not really a driver unless it’s no electronics, full wheel, 3 pedals and a gear stick. Fully manual is the only way.
Old slow men always say that. Just facts.
@@vaiman7777 born in 92. Maybe I was born 10 years to late. Manual toe and heel all the way !!!
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