Killbot&GorGorAttack!! See I have a job and I only paid $10 an hour that's just not enough to get records because things like iron maiden or slayer or Megadeth to get that on vinyl it's like 30 to 40 bucks
Usually it's a thing about cutting spending in one area for a higher music budget, for instance you wouldn't buy clothes that were as pricy and in turn would be able to get albums. Mike C-Town did a video about this at one point.
Vinyl is a very fun hobby and medium, but don't be suckered into the "it's 100% problem-free" mentality that some collectors boast. Like CDs, it has its ups and downs, but it's totally worth it in the end!
I was shopping at Amoeba San Francisco and I found an original copy of Projects in the Jungle by Pantera and the strange thing about that was I chose to wear my Pantera shirt and was joking about how Dimebag would help me find ON of their early albums. Coincidence or not that's still my favorite record story.
I once owned Dark Side of the Moon. It had been through a lot, thus it didn't sound that grand; very noisy with those proverbial clicks and pops, unfortunately.
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack In fact I most enjoyed listening to Dark Side of the Moon on my 30th anniversary edition HYBRID SACD. Never bothered with SA either. Playing it just on my old trusty cd player, sounded better than any old DSOTM record to my ears.
Absolutely loved this! I'm starting a record collection myself and had no clue about any of this. Thanks for the education now I won't just buy the pretty coloured ones. Hahah
Thank you! Remember, the colored ones CAN sound good if mastered/pressed right, but just as a personal preference I stick to black as much as I can because I'm a borderline audiophile and want my stuff to last. Haha!
I love when metalheads Can appreciate rock like Boston I got a lot of rock vinyl too man, and i know that there are so many metalheads that love that kind of music. A
Gabriele Bobbio my first vinyl was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon which my grandfather had before me. That was a Christmas present too, probanly the best one that year unless I got Vektor's Terminal Redux the same year but I think it was the year before.
I'm a HUGE metal-head. I remember a friend of mine being surprised I enjoyed other forms of music. He mentioned I wouldn't like a certain song because it was old. It was from the 50s. So, I used the good ol' youtube and played him a vast selection of oldies I knew. He was blown away by my knowledge. Then another friend from about 5 years ago couldn't believe I loved oldies. I told her I try to memorize songs I really enjoy, telling I sung Oh, Donna by Ritchie Valens for an hour straight alone a few times trying to get the nuances right. She said she couldn't picture me doing that. I'm not much into Christianity, as she is a huge Christian, and I told her I've been known to keep The River by Garth Brooks on repeat for a long time. It's a song regarding such. A lot of people lie about liking songs they wouldn't seem to. Hypocrites and all. Funny enough, the Christian lady I mentioned enjoyed Rob Zombie, and a few other metal bands and she said she only ever told me...talk about a hypocrite. Of course, many Christians are.
These videos are fucking awesome Tony, greatly edited and researched, personally I'm a cd collector but this would give me some more unknown information, thank you :]
Thank you, vinyl is a fun thing to play with, but don't be suckered into the "it's 100% problem-free thing" like some collectors do. Like CDs, they have their ups and downs :)
Is just having the the shrink wrap removed enough? Or is it important to have them to have them actually taken out as well? It seems like a weird thing, I would've thought that they would be designed and packaged in a way that prevents damage. But I'm taking your word for it, as you have a large collection and seem to know what you're talking about!
Cilena Durston-Slane: "It seems like a weird thing, I would've thought that they would be designed and packaged in a way that prevents damage." I was wondering the same thing. If you get the LP in the mail and decide you don't want it, they won't take it back because it's open...?
Great video! I myself am a vinyl and cd collector and I want to find the best shape and pressing of vinyl I can find when it comes to Metal and hard rock.
Lot of good and informative information on here. Just started building my record collection shortly before Christmas. I still like collecting CDs and now I like buying vinyls as well. The are pricier than CDs but worth owning even if I own most of the same copies on CD. I'm so picky about taking care of my albums so much if it's not a gatefold copy I will put the album in a plastic cover with the cellophane wrap still on the brand new record. Thanks for your cool videos.
That’s why I like vinyl because it funner to hunt for a original/remastered copy or just any good sounding record. And when I but records I usually go on EBay or bands websites are friends give me vinyls, or recordshop.com (I think that shop got shutdown not sure) or record stores. But all you do never ever get a record from Walmart because they edit it and not a good way
Ace Frehley.... Frehley's Comet. great music. I had it on cassette sounded great on my Walkman with kinda cheep headphones. and also on my kinda boombox.
That's tight you have "filth Pig" on vinyl! but that album was so roughly produced, I don't know if it'd be worth having on vinyl? I'd still get it though!!¡!... and speaking of earache vinyl, I wonder if they have "misery loves co." first album on vinyl¿?
I've done a couple vinyl videos in my first year and beginning of 2nd year. Believe it or not I've wanted to do this video for a year now and never got it off the ground because it was too boring for me to start both times. This third time I finally got it.
Hey Killbot, my name is Tage! I use to talk to you all the time over the comments under the screen name Tage TV! Love your videos man! I got logged off of TH-cam had some weird glitches. But your videos were so awesome I watch them every time they came out I just couldn't like or comment. You're my favorite TH-cam channel. I wanted to ask you what are some of your favorite thrash bands? By the way that would be a cool video
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Kreator is up there for me too! I just saw them with Obituary! It was Amazing! Kreator may be the best show I've ever seen! That or Metallica. (I know you don't like Metallica but I do) I got to go in my first pit! I was definitely the only 12 year old in the pit! Also, I've been trying to get into Ghoul, what album(S) should I start with?
one i dont believe you mentioned - brand new reccords coming without a decent or even semi decent inner sleeve.. like seriously how much could that add to the cost of making them lol even if its one of the cheaper poly lined paper backed sleeves thats still better than the ones that house the record in the liner notes.. on a side note i have also had picture discs with a damaged outer seam like yours brand new aswell not sure what causes that but if they had a regular album cover inner and outer sleeves pre packaged i dont think this would be a thing
they do these things deliberately im convinced of it most likely while gathered round a table discussing stuff that will piss off vinyl collectors and laughing hysterically while drinking 12 year old scotch and using burzum aske cds as coasters
dude the best place to get records to me is thrift stores, yesterday i got frehley's comet, british steel and sound of perseverance all in perfect condition for 3 bucks each
I have a question on that "cd vs vinyl" thing: I want to buy all the four tool abums, but i'm not sure of the quality of the sound. So, which is better between the vinyl and the cd in this case? i don't know which version sounds better. (also sorry if my english is bad, it's not my native Language)
As of right now, avoid Undertow (thin and tinny, packaging sucks), and 10,000 Days never had an official vinyl press but lots of bootlegs. Aenima is rare and expensive, Lateralus sounds good but it's colored/transparent, and Opiate I'm not sure about. Even though the vinyl sounds better for Aenima, I'd probably only get the vinyl for Lateralus right now.
I have had a problem with certain records having poor pressings. like my copy of nirvana will hardly play half the songs on the record without having a huge bug out
You are very good at what you do, I see some journalism in you future for sure $$$. I've been a vinyl collector for many years and you were spot on at what you say, you did the research and know what you're talking about and you do a very good job at it I just wanted to commend you on that. Oh and also I love seeing what metal albums your going to randomly pick to make examples of. Good man appreciating classic rock as well. Keep up the good work
Thank you very much! Well I put rock and metal albums in there and removed the usual intro because my audience is mainly metal/punk/industrial fans, but the info here applies to all genres.
Hey Killbot I want to start collecting physical media for my metal but I dont know whether to go with vinyl or CD I want Vinyl for the collecting, huge artwork, posters, and amazing sound quality I want to collect CDs for the better storaging, cheaper pricing, holds more songs, and not having to worry about it being prone to being ruined. Vinyl is the better product overall, but CDs i could collect more than vinyl and faster without having to make more space and also get original releases of albums without having to sell a kidney to get it (like Symbolic or Aenima on vinyl). Maybe I could do a bit of both but I wanted to get some advice from you since you are an experienced collector on both and knows what he's talking about.
Its pretty much a question of how much you're willing to pay for an album and how much you're going to listen to it on that format. A CD or download can go anywhere, vinyl has to stay in one place. There are downsides to vinyl and CDs, sound quality and mastering can be an issue for both. When done right, they can sound amazing. My thing is with new albums I don't worry about vinyl too much because if it was recorded digitally it's not going to fare much better on an analog format.
If you don't take care of it, like leaving it out of its sleeve, storing it in hot climates, not dusting it off before playing.. it's actually kind of hard to scratch/damage a record.
How much does it cost to get a vinyl player? I already have a pretty decent cd collection (Just got Carcass Heartwork) and I want to see about starting a Vinyl collection.
i really want to get in to it myself i'm a huge cd collector but it gets so hot in the summer that they will bend and break so easy and i am worry to put so much money into something that mostly be busted with a year :(
Many of my new KISS bootleg albums are picture disc and they are housed like regular lp's some of them or they come in a box set. Also, KISS Smashes, Thrashes and Hits comes in gatefold and is picture disc housed like an LP (BUT IT)
I have a $155 copy of the original Metalocalypse Dethklok Dethalbum on 12' Vinyl, still in its original plastic wrap AND the clear sleeve put over the Jacket
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! I almost didn't find it until I got it from a seller on Discogs; on a side note I also preordered Brendon Smalls Galaktikon II on both CD and Vinyl, the "My Name Is Murder" track sounds a LOT like Dethklok. Keep up your dirty work putting out all these nice quality videos that always seem to slap a satisfying smile across my face, take care man, may Metal live forever \M/
I'm just starting a record collection and I remember going into a small antique shop close to my school and looking at all the records they had. There were some from Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, etc. The one that really caught my eye was Judas Priest "Redeemer of Souls." I thought I would never get it, but on my birthday I got an amazing record player and the Judas Priest album. I now treat it as if it was my child.
When you're 16 and have about 8-9 vinyls in your collection while most people your age probably wouldn't even know what the hell it is. I also have a business card from a guy who runs a small business in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin on old and/or rare vinyls. It was great. He even had bands play for him for what I'll assume is advertisement purposes, but at least one of them comes from Los Angeles, this band being know as Edge of Paradise.
Every Metallica record I own the sounds equility is goes from awesome to piss poor. Had a cool local record store in town(closed because of the pandemic), they used there Instagram to promote the news arrivals like first run pressing, rare vinyls, unopened records or new albums they just put on the shelf. It was a race across town to get that one record I wanted, for instance they posted 2 MBV records and they were gone in 5 mins. Got a ZZ Top and The Cure record and 4 people came into the store asking for them as I was paying for them. Found PIG Praise the Lard in a milk crate hidden with Christmas music, became a fan of PIG as soon as the needle dropped.
Buying LPs on the Internet is a pain in the ass when the seller doesnt know how to pack it properly, specially if you buy old editions that are a bit distressed already for all his years. I usually buy "rare" hair metal records, so, usually they are first editions and need care, but sometimes sellers really dont put too much effort on it. I had too many bad experiences with that stuff. Talking about good stories, I got some records from Leather Angel and D'Molls, and the seller just give me for free a bunch of old sunset strip flyers that he got from back in the day... That was great. Nice vid, greets from México. 🔥
The resurgence of vinyl in the last few years seems strange to me. My vinyl buying days were from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, and prices ranged from 3.99 to about 8.99 per disc back then. As far as "problems with records" go, you forgot to mention things like weight, space, scratches, and mildew. Weight, space, and mildew may not be a concern for a few dozen LPs, but when you get into several hundred LPs, how and where to safely put them might become an issue.
Great vid! I ordered the 30th anniversary sound of perseverance vinyl and blood incantation-hidden history of the human race with the poster. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made
Not necessarily a record problem, but something definitely went wrong here. I just bought the Master of Puppets album for twelve dollars. But I put the cd into the stereo, and it said the disc could not be read, and when it could the songs wouldn't play and it would just keep skipping tracks without playing them. Any advice?
Probably a defective disc, or a very old disc. Tell me, does the disc have a ring on it? I've had CDs that were put in certain model PS2s that had that ring and it ruined the discs.
Sometimes you get completely different mixes of albums that are only available on vinyl (case in point, the European release of Sodom's "Obsessed by Cruelty"
What would you say is a reasonable price for a vinyl player? Iv been thinking of starting to collect some but I want to be able to have something to play them on.
There’s nothing wrong with the Audio Technica ones that are $100. Often the needle matters more than the turntable. And how much you’re willing to spend on a good needle depends on how audio crazy you are, ive heard of needles that cost hundreds! Fortunately a good record stylus is probably $30
Went with the short title card this time so that the video can apply to people on different parts of the musical spectrum. Metal and rock are the main albums talked about, but the info can apply to pretty much anyone!
Hey Tony, I am a metalhead on the younger side of my teens, and i have built up a decent cd collection(44 cd). Now i have been thinking, should i start a vinyl collection? I really want to but i don't know how to start. Any tips on for example what record player to buy? Thanks!
Go for it, but you have to know to take care of your records and buy carefully. It can be a pricy hobby, but it'll be worth it. Ramones on vinyl sound killer, and it's cheap to find most of their albums so you may wanna start there. Any Numark turntable should do fine. Direct drive sounds better and lasts longer, but nothing wrong with a belt drive if that's all you can afford.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Awesome man! I'm definitely start my vinyl collection with ramones just like i started my cd collection haha. By the way, when did you start listening to rock/metal and do you have any recommendations within any metal subgenre (like i just discovered sadus thanks to your livestream)?
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! I guess we share the same history then haha, in fact my dad listened to rammstein often when i was younger so I guess it was always there. I'll try to find some extreme metal. Stay br00tal \m/
important question: what record players do you recomend for starters? I read that it's really bad going with something extremely cheap because it can damage the vinyl love your videos \m/
Thank you for watching! Well, numark is a trusted brand. Belt drive sounds good but direct drive sounds better and lasts longer (no replacing the belt or motor). My Numark TTX is pricy, but you can get a great Numark for like $130 or so from last I looked. Just remember, the sound will only be as good as the setup, so you could have great sounding albums and a turntable, but gotta get good speakers too.
I have records and I tend to listen at least once a month if not more due to having other albums I want to experience on cd. These are albums I've heard before, suck as Pink Floyd's The Wall. I also love How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today by Suicidal tendencies. Both helped me through some tough times.
Tony, that's not the only problem with vinyl records. Try having to lift a box of records while you're getting ready to move .. It's fucking heavy ! I ran in to that problem with moving my father's old 78's from the attic to the front closet a long time ago !
The sound, a vinyl sourced from analog or a 96/24 source can oust a CD, especially in terms of dynamic range, clarity, and bass. I like the posters and inserts that come with them, and if pressed right they can blow you away. My Skinny Puppy and Ramones albums blow the CD counterparts away for the most part. I don't mind CDs sometimes but usually I prefer vinyl.
Here is a major problem, many albums are being manufactured now as 180 gram. Sadly what I have come to learn is that some of these albums are defected, they have a built in scratch before you even play it. Example, I bought my 4th copy of KISS Love Gun on LP (I have purchased this album a total of 11 times, different formats and remasters. I got my first copy of Love Gun when my Mom bought it for me on album in July1977I was 4 years old. Well the new album I just opened yesterday, from the 2014 180 gram remsaster, it skips twice during the song Love Gun and once during I Stole Your Love. Problem is it was made this way so it will be harder for me to get my money back. Last time this happened I emailed Eric Singer and he really hooked me up but I feel bad about bothering him again. The same thing happened to me with the 180 gram remaster of Ozzy "Blizzard of Oz." Oh yeah, from Metal Blade I bought King Diamond "Them" and the record inside it was Abigail. Metal Blade STILL has not helped me with this problem. Also, I buy a of KISS bootleg albums and one issue I see there is the circle in the middle of the record is not round enough to easily slide onto the record table. So I need a knife or something to make it more round.
They don't make records with scratches on purpouse. But I understand what you mean. The problem is probably that a bit of dirt has been caught in the tracks from the factory. You'll have to clean the record. Another problem might be your antiskating. I have turntable with automatic bias (which doesn't really work so the antiskating on that turntable is bad) and a tiny amount of dirt in the tracks causes the record to skip. However I also have a turntable with perfect antiskating and records never skip on that turntable.
Do you film with a phone or with a actual camera? And also I watch all your Vids and they are awesome keep up the good work can't wait for any videos coming up👍
I used to love records. I still love them in a way. I have been collecting records since the early seventies and took such good care of them, that even 40 year old records in my collection, look just like new and play great. Problems with records ? Oh yes, nearly all the time in fact. The vinyl record IS a highly problematic means of storing and listening to music. One of them for instance, is watching THE PUSSYCAT and making sure she won't decide to jump on the turntable while a record is playing. Just a small example among the many. When the compact disc appeared on the market, I started buying cds, eventually phasing out records. I am much happier with cds, no matter what many people say. They are anxiety-free*, and much easier to take good care of, compared with records and the music sounds great to me too. Not the slightest pussycat problem either. *No frantical searching with the cotton pad in hand, for the offending speck of dust which has just caused the stylus to jump on your record.. or suffering the ANNOYING TIK ! TIK ! TIK ! for several revolutions ! No more of that S%#*T ! Just the music !
Well this explains why my picture disc version of Bathory’s Twilight of the Gods sounds the way it does hahaha…nothing like jamming nearly 30 minutes a side onto a picture disc! My friend has the double vinyl conventional version of that album and it’s night and day!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack I turned to my friend when I first put it on and said to him “isn’t there manufacturing limitations to records that they’re only supposed to hold about 25 minutes per side? I know this album is nearly 60 minutes long so the math isn’t adding up.” Even with those suspicions I seen that version of the album at the store and patience be damned! I just discovered this channel last night after commenting on another channel about Ministry’s Bush Trilogy which led me down the rabbit hole and finding your video on it. Definitely a great watch! Houses of the Mole’ is my favorite Ministry album and I’m still sporting the hearing loss of standing in the front row of The Trocadero seeing them on that subsequent tour. Loudest concert I ever been too (my left ear rang for three days) but Al was on top of his game and he even came over toward us while we banging our heads and screaming every word off that album and he acknowledged us by sticking out his tongue while shaking his head wildly. It was really cool having that connection that he appreciated our appreciation of the new material. And since we had a band of our own at the time we were really interested in how the band was going to handle playing “WTV” live. All those samples and having to hit the notes on the guitar to simulate changing the channel at just right time was just funny to watch. It was like every band member was in a closed circle looking at each other for their timing cue and probably thinking in the back of their heads “why did Al put this on the fucking set list?!” They nailed it though and it was awesome having the video queued to each sample to go along with it. And speaking of nailing things…that Type O Negative video of your’s is phenomenal! Without question they are my favorite band of all time and your video is the perfect summary of the band’s career and captures the band’s brand of humor quite well. A perfect video for someone who is curious about the band to go check out. So many of things you said in that video I explained to various people at one time or another when getting them into the band especially because some of their material needs context. Like how “Der Untermensch” led to the allegations of racism which led to the responses “Kill All The White People” and “We Hate Everyone.” Which with further context you can see the band’s humor on the DVDs and start to understand that any allegation like that is far from the truth and that they’re just good natured edgelords. Let alone Josh being Jewish and all. It’s much easier to gather that fact just watching your video and understanding the band’s sense of humor like how you bring up Pete’s cat and “Bloody Kisses” or Playgirl and “I Like Goils.” Come to think of it, Type O Negative has tons of songs if taken too serious or literal they would make perfect “cancel culture” fodder. Makes me happy to know the fanbase is in on the joke. Nevertheless I’ll be continuing to binge your content and getting caught up!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Also I’ve seen you made videos on this subject and I’m checking those out now. For context I must’ve been living under a rock the first 35 years of my life and just discovered the greatness of Bathory in 2020 during the pandemic and now I need everything! Gotta support Quorthon’s estate!
My problem with vinyl records is the prices
Way I see it, you get what you pay for if it's priced fair. Prices can be high, but it can be fun for that reason!
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! See I have a job and I only paid $10 an hour that's just not enough to get records because things like iron maiden or slayer or Megadeth to get that on vinyl it's like 30 to 40 bucks
Usually it's a thing about cutting spending in one area for a higher music budget, for instance you wouldn't buy clothes that were as pricy and in turn would be able to get albums. Mike C-Town did a video about this at one point.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Forgive me for asking such a stupid question but who is Mike C town
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Do you have some Alice in chains records there ?
Vinyl is a very fun hobby and medium, but don't be suckered into the "it's 100% problem-free" mentality that some collectors boast. Like CDs, it has its ups and downs, but it's totally worth it in the end!
I had to pause Death's Symbolic for this.
A Martian I have the CD, not the vinyl :p I once found it in a yard sale, but it would cost me 45 euros and it wasn't even in its sleeve!
Bored Metalhead Perennial Quest is my favorite song of all time. Love that album.
Ben Patrignani that's amazing
Ben Patrignani oh yeah, that I know for sure my friend. It's tough.
that album will forever be in my car's cd player, i love symbolic
I was shopping at Amoeba San Francisco and I found an original copy of Projects in the Jungle by Pantera and the strange thing about that was I chose to wear my Pantera shirt and was joking about how Dimebag would help me find ON of their early albums. Coincidence or not that's still my favorite record story.
i found kill em all first press too!!!!
I wish this would happen to me!
I have a Darkthrone picture disc of a blaze in the northern sky that actually sounds pretty good
Julian Gonzalez nice! Where did you get it?
Hello? Hello? Anybody home? I found it at a record store in California called vacation vinyl, it's a back on black repress.
I don't own any picture discs and don't plan on buying them
Wow... Maybe I'll just stick to CD's
Hearing "Realm of Chaos" or "Dark Side of the Moon" on vinyl could change your mind about that!
I once owned Dark Side of the Moon. It had been through a lot, thus it didn't sound that grand; very noisy with those proverbial clicks and pops, unfortunately.
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In fact I most enjoyed listening to Dark Side of the Moon on my 30th anniversary edition HYBRID SACD. Never bothered with SA either. Playing it just on my old trusty cd player, sounded better than any old DSOTM record to my ears.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Yep
Absolutely loved this! I'm starting a record collection myself and had no clue about any of this. Thanks for the education now I won't just buy the pretty coloured ones. Hahah
Thank you! Remember, the colored ones CAN sound good if mastered/pressed right, but just as a personal preference I stick to black as much as I can because I'm a borderline audiophile and want my stuff to last. Haha!
Yeah I will look have to pay more attention to the descriptions. Thanks man! :)
I am going to order my first record tomorrow and this video helped me alot.
Thanks uncle Tony!!!!!
I love when metalheads Can appreciate rock like Boston
I got a lot of rock vinyl too man, and i know that there are so many metalheads that love that kind of music.
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Love the first few Boston albums, saw 'em live in 2014 and it was awesome, singer even waved at me from the stage!
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Sweet!
Yeah im a metalhead but i still love Boston, Journey, Queen and Michael Jackson
Gabriele Bobbio my first vinyl was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon which my grandfather had before me. That was a Christmas present too, probanly the best one that year unless I got Vektor's Terminal Redux the same year but I think it was the year before.
I'm a HUGE metal-head. I remember a friend of mine being surprised I enjoyed other forms of music. He mentioned I wouldn't like a certain song because it was old. It was from the 50s. So, I used the good ol' youtube and played him a vast selection of oldies I knew. He was blown away by my knowledge.
Then another friend from about 5 years ago couldn't believe I loved oldies. I told her I try to memorize songs I really enjoy, telling I sung Oh, Donna by Ritchie Valens for an hour straight alone a few times trying to get the nuances right. She said she couldn't picture me doing that.
I'm not much into Christianity, as she is a huge Christian, and I told her I've been known to keep The River by Garth Brooks on repeat for a long time. It's a song regarding such.
A lot of people lie about liking songs they wouldn't seem to. Hypocrites and all. Funny enough, the Christian lady I mentioned enjoyed Rob Zombie, and a few other metal bands and she said she only ever told me...talk about a hypocrite. Of course, many Christians are.
These videos are fucking awesome Tony, greatly edited and researched, personally I'm a cd collector but this would give me some more unknown information, thank you :]
Thank you, vinyl is a fun thing to play with, but don't be suckered into the "it's 100% problem-free thing" like some collectors do. Like CDs, they have their ups and downs :)
Well said!
Is just having the the shrink wrap removed enough? Or is it important to have them to have them actually taken out as well? It seems like a weird thing, I would've thought that they would be designed and packaged in a way that prevents damage. But I'm taking your word for it, as you have a large collection and seem to know what you're talking about!
Cilena Durston-Slane:
"It seems like a weird thing, I would've thought that they would be designed and packaged in a way that prevents damage."
I was wondering the same thing. If you get the LP in the mail and decide you don't want it, they won't take it back because it's open...?
Great video! I myself am a vinyl and cd collector and I want to find the best shape and pressing of vinyl I can find when it comes to Metal and hard rock.
Always come back to this video very few years. Great one!
I clicked right away when I saw Hard Wired by Front line Assembly.
Empire of the clouds is a masterpiece
Lot of good and informative information on here. Just started building my record collection shortly before Christmas. I still like collecting CDs and now I like buying vinyls as well. The are pricier than CDs but worth owning even if I own most of the same copies on CD. I'm so picky about taking care of my albums so much if it's not a gatefold copy I will put the album in a plastic cover with the cellophane wrap still on the brand new record. Thanks for your cool videos.
That’s why I like vinyl because it funner to hunt for a original/remastered copy or just any good sounding record. And when I but records I usually go on EBay or bands websites are friends give me vinyls, or recordshop.com (I think that shop got shutdown not sure) or record stores. But all you do never ever get a record from Walmart because they edit it and not a good way
Great video! this is very helpful to me since I don't know much about buying records
I love how I got pantera's earlier albums on vinyl before I even had a record player
Ace Frehley.... Frehley's Comet. great music. I had it on cassette sounded great on my Walkman with kinda cheep headphones. and also on my kinda boombox.
Back at it again with a new video
That's tight you have "filth Pig" on vinyl! but that album was so roughly produced, I don't know if it'd be worth having on vinyl? I'd still get it though!!¡!... and speaking of earache vinyl, I wonder if they have "misery loves co." first album on vinyl¿?
You know something funny? I ogt the original US Master of Reality on Vinyl in the original Paranoid case!!!
Nice video! Didn't think you would talk about records or your record collection.
I've done a couple vinyl videos in my first year and beginning of 2nd year. Believe it or not I've wanted to do this video for a year now and never got it off the ground because it was too boring for me to start both times. This third time I finally got it.
Love This types of videos, very interesting also do you have any dio albums on vinyl and What misfits album do you have on vinyl?
Walk Among Us and Static Age. No Dio, been wanting the box set!
Hey Killbot, my name is Tage! I use to talk to you all the time over the comments under the screen name Tage TV! Love your videos man! I got logged off of TH-cam had some weird glitches. But your videos were so awesome I watch them every time they came out I just couldn't like or comment. You're my favorite TH-cam channel. I wanted to ask you what are some of your favorite thrash bands? By the way that would be a cool video
Why thank you! Ghoul, Kreator, Voivod, and Rigor Mortis
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Kreator is up there for me too! I just saw them with Obituary! It was Amazing! Kreator may be the best show I've ever seen! That or Metallica. (I know you don't like Metallica but I do) I got to go in my first pit! I was definitely the only 12 year old in the pit! Also, I've been trying to get into Ghoul, what album(S) should I start with?
one i dont believe you mentioned - brand new reccords coming without a decent or even semi decent inner sleeve.. like seriously how much could that add to the cost of making them lol even if its one of the cheaper poly lined paper backed sleeves thats still better than the ones that house the record in the liner notes.. on a side note i have also had picture discs with a damaged outer seam like yours brand new aswell not sure what causes that but if they had a regular album cover inner and outer sleeves pre packaged i dont think this would be a thing
Yeah that drives me crazy. Or sleeves with the paper that your touch leaves a million fingerprints.
they do these things deliberately im convinced of it most likely while gathered round a table discussing stuff that will piss off vinyl collectors and laughing hysterically while drinking 12 year old scotch and using burzum aske cds as coasters
Hi, killbot
Hi there!
Zdravo!
dude the best place to get records to me is thrift stores, yesterday i got frehley's comet, british steel and sound of perseverance all in perfect condition for 3 bucks each
I buy cheap CDs on the internet. They‘re classic, it‘s my time, in my very early childhood i had them and its great to collect them.
Same =)
Good stuff man. Would love to hear your thoughts on septic death!
It is weird how some albums that should be double are on one vinyl but some albums that are around 50 minutes are being put on two records.
But what does Corey Taylor think about this?
My god...
I have a question on that "cd vs vinyl" thing: I want to buy all the four tool abums, but i'm not sure of the quality of the sound. So, which is better between the vinyl and the cd in this case? i don't know which version sounds better.
(also sorry if my english is bad, it's not my native Language)
As of right now, avoid Undertow (thin and tinny, packaging sucks), and 10,000 Days never had an official vinyl press but lots of bootlegs. Aenima is rare and expensive, Lateralus sounds good but it's colored/transparent, and Opiate I'm not sure about. Even though the vinyl sounds better for Aenima, I'd probably only get the vinyl for Lateralus right now.
ok, thank you very much.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Thanks for this... Was thinking about buying Undertow soon
Killbot what is your favorite mayhem album?
Thank you for the tips been thinking about buying a record player and records wanna own music physically
Great video. You should do the benefits of records over other formats next.
I have had a problem with certain records having poor pressings. like my copy of nirvana will hardly play half the songs on the record without having a huge bug out
Great informative video killbot
You are very good at what you do, I see some journalism in you future for sure $$$.
I've been a vinyl collector for many years and you were spot on at what you say, you did the research and know what you're talking about and you do a very good job at it I just wanted to commend you on that. Oh and also I love seeing what metal albums your going to randomly pick to make examples of. Good man appreciating classic rock as well. Keep up the good work
Thank you very much! Well I put rock and metal albums in there and removed the usual intro because my audience is mainly metal/punk/industrial fans, but the info here applies to all genres.
Hey killbot and gorgor attack I just want to know what's the best death album to listen to on vinyl
Do you have any black flag vinyl
Samuel blinne black flag rules
the trash man I agree my favorite singer of black flag is henry Rollins
Samuel blinne henry rollins kicks ass but ron reyes is my favorite bf singer
the trash man ron Reyes is good singer
No but I do have Misfits, Bad Brains, Discharge, and Ramones vinyl!
God I love this channel so much
Hey Killbot
I want to start collecting physical media for my metal but I dont know whether to go with vinyl or CD
I want Vinyl for the collecting, huge artwork, posters, and amazing sound quality
I want to collect CDs for the better storaging, cheaper pricing, holds more songs, and not having to worry about it being prone to being ruined.
Vinyl is the better product overall, but CDs i could collect more than vinyl and faster without having to make more space and also get original releases of albums without having to sell a kidney to get it (like Symbolic or Aenima on vinyl). Maybe I could do a bit of both but I wanted to get some advice from you since you are an experienced collector on both and knows what he's talking about.
Its pretty much a question of how much you're willing to pay for an album and how much you're going to listen to it on that format. A CD or download can go anywhere, vinyl has to stay in one place. There are downsides to vinyl and CDs, sound quality and mastering can be an issue for both. When done right, they can sound amazing. My thing is with new albums I don't worry about vinyl too much because if it was recorded digitally it's not going to fare much better on an analog format.
thanks man
Killbot I just wanted to ask you
What's the best industrial shock rock band out there?
Looks like the greatest looking record can get damaged very easily :(
If you don't take care of it, like leaving it out of its sleeve, storing it in hot climates, not dusting it off before playing.. it's actually kind of hard to scratch/damage a record.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for correcting me.
How much does it cost to get a vinyl player? I already have a pretty decent cd collection (Just got Carcass Heartwork) and I want to see about starting a Vinyl collection.
Great video. You make some excellent points which I have noted a lot of too.
i really want to get in to it myself i'm a huge cd collector but it gets so hot in the summer that they will bend and break so easy and i am worry to put so much money into something that mostly be busted with a year :(
Right, you have to have a good climate for them and can't leave them in barns/attics/etc.
What the fuck just happened at the end? Looks like it just froze. Did anyone have that happen?
Looks pretty good on my phone and laptop, maybe your browser is slow?
Many of my new KISS bootleg albums are picture disc and they are housed like regular lp's some of them or they come in a box set. Also, KISS Smashes, Thrashes and Hits comes in gatefold and is picture disc housed like an LP (BUT IT)
I have a $155 copy of the original Metalocalypse Dethklok Dethalbum on 12' Vinyl, still in its original plastic wrap AND the clear sleeve put over the Jacket
I also have the Dethalbums I and III as well
I have III on vinyl! >:D would love to own the first two on wax
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! I almost didn't find it until I got it from a seller on Discogs; on a side note I also preordered Brendon Smalls Galaktikon II on both CD and Vinyl, the "My Name Is Murder" track sounds a LOT like Dethklok. Keep up your dirty work putting out all these nice quality videos that always seem to slap a satisfying smile across my face, take care man, may Metal live forever \M/
I'm just starting a record collection and I remember going into a small antique shop close to my school and looking at all the records they had. There were some from Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, etc. The one that really caught my eye was Judas Priest "Redeemer of Souls." I thought I would never get it, but on my birthday I got an amazing record player and the Judas Priest album. I now treat it as if it was my child.
When you're 16 and have about 8-9 vinyls in your collection while most people your age probably wouldn't even know what the hell it is.
I also have a business card from a guy who runs a small business in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin on old and/or rare vinyls. It was great. He even had bands play for him for what I'll assume is advertisement purposes, but at least one of them comes from Los Angeles, this band being know as Edge of Paradise.
Kaelan McAlpine i'm 16 i have about 90 vinyls lol
You have a lot of good records. I like the three records of KISS, Slayer and Cannibal Corpse.
Thank you, maybe at the end of the year I'll do a record video and make it a one-time video at the end of each year.
I'm glad there's other metalheads who are KISS fans as well. My wall has my own decorations of KISS and I think I own all of their CDs
Every Metallica record I own the sounds equility is goes from awesome to piss poor. Had a cool local record store in town(closed because of the pandemic), they used there Instagram to promote the news arrivals like first run pressing, rare vinyls, unopened records or new albums they just put on the shelf. It was a race across town to get that one record I wanted, for instance they posted 2 MBV records and they were gone in 5 mins. Got a ZZ Top and The Cure record and 4 people came into the store asking for them as I was paying for them. Found PIG Praise the Lard in a milk crate hidden with Christmas music, became a fan of PIG as soon as the needle dropped.
I have a vinyl copy of realm of chaos that doesn’t have prophet of hatred, which sucks cause I love that song
That song is CD only for the most part
Literally no one
Kill bot gor gor:
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Just now getting into vinyl although I've been collecting cds for years now. Thanks for the informative video
Buying LPs on the Internet is a pain in the ass when the seller doesnt know how to pack it properly, specially if you buy old editions that are a bit distressed already for all his years.
I usually buy "rare" hair metal records, so, usually they are first editions and need care, but sometimes sellers really dont put too much effort on it. I had too many bad experiences with that stuff.
Talking about good stories, I got some records from Leather Angel and D'Molls, and the seller just give me for free a bunch of old sunset strip flyers that he got from back in the day... That was great.
Nice vid, greets from México. 🔥
Front Line Assembly !!! Totally random and totally awesome!!
The resurgence of vinyl in the last few years seems strange to me. My vinyl buying days were from the mid 1970s to the mid 1980s, and prices ranged from 3.99 to about 8.99 per disc back then. As far as "problems with records" go, you forgot to mention things like weight, space, scratches, and mildew. Weight, space, and mildew may not be a concern for a few dozen LPs, but when you get into several hundred LPs, how and where to safely put them might become an issue.
Great vid! I ordered the 30th anniversary sound of perseverance vinyl and blood incantation-hidden history of the human race with the poster. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made
Not necessarily a record problem, but something definitely went wrong here. I just bought the Master of Puppets album for twelve dollars. But I put the cd into the stereo, and it said the disc could not be read, and when it could the songs wouldn't play and it would just keep skipping tracks without playing them. Any advice?
Probably a defective disc, or a very old disc. Tell me, does the disc have a ring on it? I've had CDs that were put in certain model PS2s that had that ring and it ruined the discs.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Yeah if you're talking about a black ring that goes around the printing, then yeah, it does.
Instant like for featuring Hard Wired in the thumbnail
Agreed whats the point of picture discs?
Good for decoration, but that's about it.
Novelty, but play em anyways !
Gotta agree with the leaving songs out part, just recently bought Sleep’s “Volume 1” on vinyl and turns out an entire song is omitted
CD just needs to be made more available. I don’t have it yet
can anybody tell me the name of the skull picture disc vinyl in the videos thumbnail? Please it looks so cool any HELP is appreciated.
Grave Command: All Hallowed Hymns. Its a comp with Ghoul contributing!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Thank you god you're a life saver
Sometimes you get completely different mixes of albums that are only available on vinyl (case in point, the European release of Sodom's "Obsessed by Cruelty"
I just started collecting records so this is very beneficial to me. These points will definitely be in the back of my head to remember when I buy 'em.
What would you say is a reasonable price for a vinyl player? Iv been thinking of starting to collect some but I want to be able to have something to play them on.
There’s nothing wrong with the Audio Technica ones that are $100. Often the needle matters more than the turntable. And how much you’re willing to spend on a good needle depends on how audio crazy you are, ive heard of needles that cost hundreds! Fortunately a good record stylus is probably $30
was GWAR's Scumdogs vinyl taken from cd or mastertapes??
I didn't buy that one because "America Must Be Destroyed" had a weird pressing problem. Wouldn't know personally but people say it sounds good.
Cool video and topic,
But what happened to the gnarly intro?
Went with the short title card this time so that the video can apply to people on different parts of the musical spectrum. Metal and rock are the main albums talked about, but the info can apply to pretty much anyone!
Hey Tony,
I am a metalhead on the younger side of my teens, and i have built up a decent cd collection(44 cd). Now i have been thinking, should i start a vinyl collection? I really want to but i don't know how to start. Any tips on for example what record player to buy? Thanks!
Go for it, but you have to know to take care of your records and buy carefully. It can be a pricy hobby, but it'll be worth it. Ramones on vinyl sound killer, and it's cheap to find most of their albums so you may wanna start there. Any Numark turntable should do fine. Direct drive sounds better and lasts longer, but nothing wrong with a belt drive if that's all you can afford.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Awesome man! I'm definitely start my vinyl collection with ramones just like i started my cd collection haha. By the way, when did you start listening to rock/metal and do you have any recommendations within any metal subgenre (like i just discovered sadus thanks to your livestream)?
Rock since i was a kid, metal since 14, try the most extreme you can find (Terrorizer).
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! I guess we share the same history then haha, in fact my dad listened to rammstein often when i was younger so I guess it was always there. I'll try to find some extreme metal. Stay br00tal \m/
Why do you have a Kiss album...
Because they're great...?
Just got my white colored Symbolic vinyl at my local record store. Sounds fucking amazing.
Do you have slipknot iowa album? Or any Slipknot albums?
Nope. Was into Slipknot when I was a lot younger, but got out of them once I heard Napalm Death
oh ok. Stay METAL 🤘
important question: what record players do you recomend for starters? I read that it's really bad going with something extremely cheap because it can damage the vinyl
love your videos \m/
Thank you for watching! Well, numark is a trusted brand. Belt drive sounds good but direct drive sounds better and lasts longer (no replacing the belt or motor). My Numark TTX is pricy, but you can get a great Numark for like $130 or so from last I looked. Just remember, the sound will only be as good as the setup, so you could have great sounding albums and a turntable, but gotta get good speakers too.
You're so informing!!
I have records and I tend to listen at least once a month if not more due to having other albums I want to experience on cd. These are albums I've heard before, suck as Pink Floyd's The Wall. I also love How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today by Suicidal tendencies. Both helped me through some tough times.
I'm a small vinyl collector so this really helps
I got oil residue on my copy of Blood Fire Death.
I use cds because they are easier to transport and you can directly put them into computers to download on iTunes.
I haven't collected vinyl in years but sounds like it's gotten more complex for the buyers. I have a few coil and psychic TV records still.
I’d gotten out of it sometime after doing this video, and doing this video was the catalyst. Lol
I'm 11 and i have 11 vinyls and 25 cds :) you are the best metal youtuber out there!
please do a live stream or video showing and talking about your entire record collection
So after some troubleshooting, I found out that my Master of Puppets CD is not what's defective, it was my stereo.
I wouldn't even try to get an Agalloch vinyl, all of their shit is ridiculously expensive.
My copy of "The Mantle" and "Ashes" were both $27-30 each, but I agree the rarer stuff and test presses go for insane prices!
Tony, that's not the only problem with vinyl records. Try having to lift a box of records while you're getting ready to move .. It's fucking heavy ! I ran in to that problem with moving my father's old 78's from the attic to the front closet a long time ago !
What made you choose to collect vinyl over CDs?
The sound, a vinyl sourced from analog or a 96/24 source can oust a CD, especially in terms of dynamic range, clarity, and bass. I like the posters and inserts that come with them, and if pressed right they can blow you away. My Skinny Puppy and Ramones albums blow the CD counterparts away for the most part. I don't mind CDs sometimes but usually I prefer vinyl.
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Thank you I was just wondering because I was thinking of making the jump from CDs to vinyl.
What is the album in the top right hand corner
A compilation called Grave Command, featuring bands like Ghoul, Deceased, and Occultation
Killbot&GorGorAttack!! Thanks
Here is a major problem, many albums are being manufactured now as 180 gram. Sadly what I have come to learn is that some of these albums are defected, they have a built in scratch before you even play it. Example, I bought my 4th copy of KISS Love Gun on LP (I have purchased this album a total of 11 times, different formats and remasters. I got my first copy of Love Gun when my Mom bought it for me on album in July1977I was 4 years old. Well the new album I just opened yesterday, from the 2014 180 gram remsaster, it skips twice during the song Love Gun and once during I Stole Your Love. Problem is it was made this way so it will be harder for me to get my money back. Last time this happened I emailed Eric Singer and he really hooked me up but I feel bad about bothering him again. The same thing happened to me with the 180 gram remaster of Ozzy "Blizzard of Oz." Oh yeah, from Metal Blade I bought King Diamond "Them" and the record inside it was Abigail. Metal Blade STILL has not helped me with this problem. Also, I buy a of KISS bootleg albums and one issue I see there is the circle in the middle of the record is not round enough to easily slide onto the record table. So I need a knife or something to make it more round.
They don't make records with scratches on purpouse. But I understand what you mean. The problem is probably that a bit of dirt has been caught in the tracks from the factory. You'll have to clean the record. Another problem might be your antiskating. I have turntable with automatic bias (which doesn't really work so the antiskating on that turntable is bad) and a tiny amount of dirt in the tracks causes the record to skip. However I also have a turntable with perfect antiskating and records never skip on that turntable.
Do you film with a phone or with a actual camera? And also I watch all your Vids and they are awesome keep up the good work can't wait for any videos coming up👍
iPhone and iPad! Thank you
Thx for the information🤘🏻
suicide note pt1 is one of my fav pantera songs
I'm not this particular about my vinyl. I think my is way more even though he only has pink floyd's the wall pressed on 180 gram.
I used to love records. I still love them in a way. I have been collecting records since the early seventies and took such good care of them, that even 40 year old records in my collection, look just like new and play great. Problems with records ? Oh yes, nearly all the time in fact. The vinyl record IS a highly problematic means of storing and listening to music. One of them for instance, is watching THE PUSSYCAT and making sure she won't decide to jump on the turntable while a record is playing. Just a small example among the many. When the compact disc appeared on the market, I started buying cds, eventually phasing out records. I am much happier with cds, no matter what many people say. They are anxiety-free*, and much easier to take good care of, compared with records and the music sounds great to me too. Not the slightest pussycat problem either.
*No frantical searching with the cotton pad in hand, for the offending speck of dust which has just caused the stylus to jump on your record.. or suffering the ANNOYING TIK ! TIK ! TIK ! for several revolutions ! No more of that S%#*T ! Just the music !
Well this explains why my picture disc version of Bathory’s Twilight of the Gods sounds the way it does hahaha…nothing like jamming nearly 30 minutes a side onto a picture disc! My friend has the double vinyl conventional version of that album and it’s night and day!
I used to have the single LP one from the early 2000s: Sounded pathetic
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack I turned to my friend when I first put it on and said to him “isn’t there manufacturing limitations to records that they’re only supposed to hold about 25 minutes per side? I know this album is nearly 60 minutes long so the math isn’t adding up.” Even with those suspicions I seen that version of the album at the store and patience be damned!
I just discovered this channel last night after commenting on another channel about Ministry’s Bush Trilogy which led me down the rabbit hole and finding your video on it. Definitely a great watch! Houses of the Mole’ is my favorite Ministry album and I’m still sporting the hearing loss of standing in the front row of The Trocadero seeing them on that subsequent tour. Loudest concert I ever been too (my left ear rang for three days) but Al was on top of his game and he even came over toward us while we banging our heads and screaming every word off that album and he acknowledged us by sticking out his tongue while shaking his head wildly. It was really cool having that connection that he appreciated our appreciation of the new material. And since we had a band of our own at the time we were really interested in how the band was going to handle playing “WTV” live. All those samples and having to hit the notes on the guitar to simulate changing the channel at just right time was just funny to watch. It was like every band member was in a closed circle looking at each other for their timing cue and probably thinking in the back of their heads “why did Al put this on the fucking set list?!” They nailed it though and it was awesome having the video queued to each sample to go along with it.
And speaking of nailing things…that Type O Negative video of your’s is phenomenal! Without question they are my favorite band of all time and your video is the perfect summary of the band’s career and captures the band’s brand of humor quite well. A perfect video for someone who is curious about the band to go check out. So many of things you said in that video I explained to various people at one time or another when getting them into the band especially because some of their material needs context. Like how “Der Untermensch” led to the allegations of racism which led to the responses “Kill All The White People” and “We Hate Everyone.” Which with further context you can see the band’s humor on the DVDs and start to understand that any allegation like that is far from the truth and that they’re just good natured edgelords. Let alone Josh being Jewish and all. It’s much easier to gather that fact just watching your video and understanding the band’s sense of humor like how you bring up Pete’s cat and “Bloody Kisses” or Playgirl and “I Like Goils.” Come to think of it, Type O Negative has tons of songs if taken too serious or literal they would make perfect “cancel culture” fodder. Makes me happy to know the fanbase is in on the joke.
Nevertheless I’ll be continuing to binge your content and getting caught up!
@@KillbotAndGorGorAttack Also I’ve seen you made videos on this subject and I’m checking those out now. For context I must’ve been living under a rock the first 35 years of my life and just discovered the greatness of Bathory in 2020 during the pandemic and now I need everything! Gotta support Quorthon’s estate!
Nice slayer record man
one major problem with a lp collection..it's fuckig heavy
,when you have to pack them...when you're moving
Picture disks are decoration don't buy those to actually play them I feel the same way about colored vinyl just buy black if you plan to play it.
GrayWoIf some do sound just as good. I own two ( RATM debut and Anthem of the Sun by the Grateful Dead) and they sound pretty good
Some sound just as good or better than black vinyl. So yeah
For me, I generally buy digital because it's cheaper and more convenient. Although it would be cool to look at a collection of cds and records.