I've never played a kitty dps before because I heard they're such a pain in the....you know.....but I was always interested in trying one out. And I just found this video (I know it's like 3 years old lol) and it makes me want to play a kitty even more lol thanks for the short but sweet guide
nice guide! I can add a better opening thoough: Use mangle -> if (1 cp) -> Use rake -> Use Savage roar -> If (2 CP after magle) -> use Savage roar -> Build 5 CP with Shreds or (Shred + rake) (usually 3 Shres or 2 shreds and rake) -> Rip -> same as you said with Tigers fury + berserk -> continue rotation. This way you get Savage roar at least 1 or 2 shreds earlier -> 1 -2 shreds makes 33% more dmg and 4-5 AA as well => +20-40k dmg more on average every opening rotation. What do you think?
I also don't think Improved Leader of the pack is needed at all. You never go oom even with openworld shifting etc. Only scenarion is pvp or solo dungeons -> the only way you utilize this talent. better put 2/2 Feral swiftness + 1 improved mangle. 100% agree on Feral agression 5/5 althoough I don't usually see people using it this way
i first switched to feral from balance in legion and trying out wotlk private servers on and off, i am shocked how short rip/rake lasts, how shitty the energy regen is and how little opportunity to ferocious bite you get. also solo stuff is awful without shred
Also I don't think you've mentioned that feral crit cap is 74% chance :) so gemming haste is a good way to not be close to this number which is good(with trinkets proc + idol stack you have significantly more aggi then out of combat but people don't usually pay attention to it) - u don't need a cap
All you need in the opener is to use Tiger for the energy gain not for its damage boost. In order to put a 5cp Rip up and start spammin shred with Berskerj, The damage amp from Tiger is worth losing at this point. Same goes for the Rake.
Am I the only one that will miss powershifting a bit? Obv the overall gameplay is improved with more abilities, a cleave, etc. But I like the dynamic nature of shifting where youre never short of energy, never just sat waiting
will miss powershifting a lot. such action filled rotation perfect for my impatience and adhd. maintaining dots and debuffs seems boring compared to high dmg shred spam :P
Hey, do you think it is also okay to start the rotation like this: mangle - savage roar - rake - shred - tigers fury - berserk - then at 5 cp rip - at next 5 cp refresh savage roar...? Because with this rotation i have the 33% dmg boost from savage roar at my first rake and shred?
Ok i know this video is old but i have a question. Wouldn't tailoring be more bis than engineering? Cause the cloak enchant gives 400 ap on proc (procrate 20% so it should almost proc immediately as a cat) for 15sec with a 45 sec internal cd which averages to effectively 133AP. Whereas the engineering gloves enchant gives 320 haste for 12 sec with a 1min cd which averages to 64 haste. Also are nitro boots really that impactful as a cat when you already have sprint?
Nitros' are nice on some fights, Tailoring is really good IF IT PROCS AT THE RIGHT TIME You certainly will get value out of tailoring in DBS, tank n spank 100% activity fight no problem, but lets say on LK it procs right before you transition, or right as valkyr grabs you, its a proc and that makes it unreliable, too much for me for sure. Tailoring is defo a worthy pick, just keep in mind you can't control it so well.
So we never use our stealth openers like ravage? And do we need to squeeze in that faerie fire in the opener between mangle / shred / rake or doesnt it matter that much?
I’m still pretty new to feral but yeah I’m pretty sure you never use stealth openers. And yeah you are supposed to use faerie fire whenever you have a free moment in your rotation if you have all your bleeds and stuff up. In the opener though I think you use faerie fire after you get your first savage roar up.
Yeah its such a step down from shape shifting for cheesy free energy, oh god an actual DPS rotation the horror i cant just get free energy by spamming cat form anymore :( U'll enjoy it trust me =P
How-come no mention of arms warrior debuff being the same as mangle? also, I am wondering if rake maybe not worth it in early gear as long as theres other bleed effects on boss, since shred is doing more dmg?? thanks for tip on barkskin, if that works its good.
Arms isn't something we should consider for ICC raiding, its still fine but thats about it, I geared up extremely quickly on this character aswell, I don't have much idea as to min maxing early stages such as Naxx or Ulduar.
@@AwbeeX57 thanks for your answer :) on the private Server im on (rising gods) it does not proc omen and they say its because its blizzlike, that it only procs on autoattacks :( maybe you know a source which i can link them as proof?
I can only tell you what I know from Warmane, usually i'll try MMO-champion.com if I need to go down some rabbit hole, Might just be warmane being warmane.
Is it still a thing that you want to use finishers with 4 or 5 combo points? I know at one point critical strikes give 2 cp so you don’t want to risk wasting a cp by going to 5 and so u would just use with 4. Is that a thing in wrath?
Hi Awbee, i have one question, how do i make those cooldown counters for your abilities like rake, savage roar etc. That is an addon right? Can i have the name of it please?
do you think it's a good idea to swap trinkets at 15s pull timer to get a full SR and Rip up before trinkets proc so you can berserk and spam shred with all trinkets procced?
Combat rogue and Feral are really close in damage output, Feral can burst harder in some situations, Combat can burst harder in other situations. More fun is for sure Feral, it's also much harder though.
@@Siegmeyer23 you're kidding right I even made a community post about it and everything xD Stickerbrush Symphony, it is also one of my favorite :p take a listen to the entire DKC2 soundtrack if you want it has some good bops.
@@AwbeeX57 Ty sir, `The Very Very Very Strongest` is of course a cool track as well, but yeah I recognized `Stickerbrush Symphony` had those old school SNES vibes but couldn't recall where I'd heard it last. Also I should add you're making great content - you seem to have achieved the right balance of subject matter detail, humour in the script, and then the overall production value and the atmosphere created with the music etc. Good stuff!
On a Dummy that seems fine, Inside of ICC that might be a little low, It depends on your gear setup ofcourse. Make sure you cap hit rating/expertise and then try to push that ARP cap (1400). After that you'll see the DPS fly up :)
Never played Wrath but I'm assuming you could pre-savage roar on a trash pack before a boss, considering your raid knows what they are doing and can go right into a fight.
Saying not to ferocious bite under Berserk effect is wrong. That's one of the few times it's acceptable to ferocious bite, since you're generating enough combo points quickly enough to not let bleeds fall off.
@@AwbeeX57 If you cut the energy costs in half, Shred is 21 and Bite is 18. Bite will 100% hit harder than Shred as well, so you're wasting Energy and doing less damage by not using bite during berserk.
Been doing Barkskin for clearcasting for 10 minutes now as well, and not a single Clearcasting proc. So that's possible been fixed, depending how old that clip at the end is. Just did Shred vs Bite without wasting a full energy bar, Shred is doing 8.1k unbuffed while Bite did 19.7k. This is at the minimum energy needed for Bite. In raid it's closer to 20k shred and 50k Bites.
@@xonkk8976 Well check it in a raid, Barkskin clip is from 1 day ago. The thing that makes Shred better is that you can get 2-3 shreds per 1 fero bite.
You'll want to get Berserk up asap, while the tank is still "stacking" the adds preferably. Then just spam swipe, Faerie Fire, Natures Grasp(yes it can proc Clearcasting(atleast on Warmane.)) Some AoE fights are super short (think some dungeons mobs having 50k hp) in those situations just skip Berserk and spam swipe.
I watched it but you should always start with Mangle, even if there are 10 ferals in the raid first GCD is Mangle, followed by Savage Roar and Rake, you do not REAPPLY Mangle if there is a bear. No hard feeling or anything, u legit have Feral rotation video for 5min on a dummy on forums for free that you can all learn from.
@@urosdasic8121 yeah I guess you got me there, the damage difference is still too big, if someone else is providing Mangle just be happy he is providing it and don't apply it at the start.
Free trick for feral druids... Teleport Moonglade will also proc clearcasting :P
TP to moonglade > get summoned by warlock > stonks ---^
"drood is drood and drood has drood utility" G O L D E N
Your editing was on point here lol that cat pic was cute, great guide Awbee
Thanks for dance party awbee! Loved the guide keep on keeping on man ❤️
great guide, helped a lot! But what i loved most was the One Piece music in the background! Your a man of good taste :D
Just
Got into warmane. Absolutely love it. Thanks for the vids
"Druud is Druud and has Druud Utility."
Lmao. Legendary.
That was such a nice picture of you and your cat! I also have a lovely tuxedo cat at home =)
I've never played a kitty dps before because I heard they're such a pain in the....you know.....but I was always interested in trying one out. And I just found this video (I know it's like 3 years old lol) and it makes me want to play a kitty even more lol thanks for the short but sweet guide
GL! enjoy the kitty ;)
Also i'd like to point out that different races have different set stats. And night elves have THE HIGHEST passive agility out of all races. :)
Very true :)
nice guide! I can add a better opening thoough: Use mangle -> if (1 cp) -> Use rake -> Use Savage roar -> If (2 CP after magle) -> use Savage roar -> Build 5 CP with Shreds or (Shred + rake) (usually 3 Shres or 2 shreds and rake) -> Rip -> same as you said with Tigers fury + berserk -> continue rotation. This way you get Savage roar at least 1 or 2 shreds earlier -> 1 -2 shreds makes 33% more dmg and 4-5 AA as well => +20-40k dmg more on average every opening rotation. What do you think?
The guide rocks. The music too 🤘🏼
I also don't think Improved Leader of the pack is needed at all. You never go oom even with openworld shifting etc. Only scenarion is pvp or solo dungeons -> the only way you utilize this talent. better put 2/2 Feral swiftness + 1 improved mangle. 100% agree on Feral agression 5/5 althoough I don't usually see people using it this way
I use at least 1 point just so if I'm unlucky with clearcasts I won't stay oom the whole fight. It happened once that I had no mana for br. Lol
Awesome, thanks for the hard work!
ty dude im ready for wotlk classic now
Loved the video!
i first switched to feral from balance in legion and trying out wotlk private servers on and off, i am shocked how short rip/rake lasts, how shitty the energy regen is and how little opportunity to ferocious bite you get. also solo stuff is awful without shred
nice plays man !
Also I don't think you've mentioned that feral crit cap is 74% chance :) so gemming haste is a good way to not be close to this number which is good(with trinkets proc + idol stack you have significantly more aggi then out of combat but people don't usually pay attention to it) - u don't need a cap
Your opening - Berserk cancels out Tiger's Fury buff and your first Rake is not boosted by Savage roar.
Yeah, I think if any of my guides deserves a rework it's this one, i'll look into it in the future.
All you need in the opener is to use Tiger for the energy gain not for its damage boost. In order to put a 5cp Rip up and start spammin shred with Berskerj, The damage amp from Tiger is worth losing at this point. Same goes for the Rake.
Am I the only one that will miss powershifting a bit? Obv the overall gameplay is improved with more abilities, a cleave, etc. But I like the dynamic nature of shifting where youre never short of energy, never just sat waiting
FeelsDruid
will miss powershifting a lot. such action filled rotation perfect for my impatience and adhd. maintaining dots and debuffs seems boring compared to high dmg shred spam :P
Tim carries as always.
Can you recording how to play combat rogue? :)
Why are you using rake before savage roar ...
love that snes music
Great guide 😊
A man has to do what he has to do. You cant just lose dps because of hair..
im in that video im the priest dancing with the cats mehehheh
AWH YEEEA
It was an amazing kitten dance party awbee!
Ah first time playing i stacked over 20% hit.. Got to love it
You wanna know which patch restoration druids were good in?
Patch Tree point tree
Kek
Did you use TES: OBLIVION soundtrack?? YOU ARE GOD !!!
Hey, do you think it is also okay to start the rotation like this: mangle - savage roar - rake - shred - tigers fury - berserk - then at 5 cp rip - at next 5 cp refresh savage roar...? Because with this rotation i have the 33% dmg boost from savage roar at my first rake and shred?
what the song that comes in at 11:00 I remember it from somewhere but dont know the name
Lufia 2 - Lexis Shaia Laboratory
Ok i know this video is old but i have a question. Wouldn't tailoring be more bis than engineering? Cause the cloak enchant gives 400 ap on proc (procrate 20% so it should almost proc immediately as a cat) for 15sec with a 45 sec internal cd which averages to effectively 133AP. Whereas the engineering gloves enchant gives 320 haste for 12 sec with a 1min cd which averages to 64 haste. Also are nitro boots really that impactful as a cat when you already have sprint?
Nitros' are nice on some fights, Tailoring is really good IF IT PROCS AT THE RIGHT TIME
You certainly will get value out of tailoring in DBS, tank n spank 100% activity fight no problem, but lets say on LK it procs right before you transition, or right as valkyr grabs you, its a proc and that makes it unreliable, too much for me for sure.
Tailoring is defo a worthy pick, just keep in mind you can't control it so well.
So we never use our stealth openers like ravage? And do we need to squeeze in that faerie fire in the opener between mangle / shred / rake or doesnt it matter that much?
I’m still pretty new to feral but yeah I’m pretty sure you never use stealth openers. And yeah you are supposed to use faerie fire whenever you have a free moment in your rotation if you have all your bleeds and stuff up. In the opener though I think you use faerie fire after you get your first savage roar up.
I’m so sad this is the hardest rotation in wrath because its much easier with less planning then feral has had for the past 6 hears
Yeah its such a step down from shape shifting for cheesy free energy, oh god an actual DPS rotation the horror i cant just get free energy by spamming cat form anymore :(
U'll enjoy it trust me =P
@@AwbeeX57 I was talking about the rotation the last 6 years of live wow, legion through shadowlands. not classic and tbc.
@@technicolorsoultheory3924 ha alright thats fair, haste reducing GCD is something WoTLK can't provide :D
How-come no mention of arms warrior debuff being the same as mangle?
also, I am wondering if rake maybe not worth it in early gear as long as theres other bleed effects on boss, since shred is doing more dmg??
thanks for tip on barkskin, if that works its good.
Arms isn't something we should consider for ICC raiding, its still fine but thats about it,
I geared up extremely quickly on this character aswell, I don't have much idea as to min maxing early stages such as Naxx or Ulduar.
is it blizzlike ( old wotlk) that faerie fire proccs omen?
Yeah, Omen even procced from Natures Grasp.
@@AwbeeX57 thanks for your answer :)
on the private Server im on (rising gods) it does not proc omen and they say its because its blizzlike, that it only procs on autoattacks :( maybe you know a source which i can link them as proof?
I can only tell you what I know from Warmane, usually i'll try MMO-champion.com if I need to go down some rabbit hole,
Might just be warmane being warmane.
Hey I wanna get down with ya on warmane whats your social media information so we can link up
Theres a link to my public discord in the description, besides that my social media is non existent.
what does "hero/heroism" mean when in raid?
Holy Dutch!
Is it still a thing that you want to use finishers with 4 or 5 combo points? I know at one point critical strikes give 2 cp so you don’t want to risk wasting a cp by going to 5 and so u would just use with 4. Is that a thing in wrath?
aye 4 or 5
Hi Awbee, i have one question, how do i make those cooldown counters for your abilities like rake, savage roar etc. That is an addon right? Can i have the name of it please?
Yo, that's OmniCC, its in my Discord ofc :)
How do you get combo points to show on Scrolling Battle Text?
Whats the feral dot timer bar addon called? couldnt understand
thats Need to Know, its in my Discord, probably won't work for Classic though.
Funny video:)) that should be the rest of yours too
nice mentioning the 1 % hit for draenai cuz for some reason there isnt a single draenai druid (think)
Its a group buff smart ass :P
@@AwbeeX57 fuck :D actually never played alliance
do you think it's a good idea to swap trinkets at 15s pull timer to get a full SR and Rip up before trinkets proc so you can berserk and spam shred with all trinkets procced?
yes, thats what pro's do
Why them dislikes? Great video mang
Haters :D
Funkymusic fans lol
Between a rogue and a feral which is more fun , needed in raids and in dps? (No hysteria buff tho)
Combat rogue and Feral are really close in damage output, Feral can burst harder in some situations, Combat can burst harder in other situations. More fun is for sure Feral, it's also much harder though.
Where did you get the addon from during the skills??
Can you do a feral gearing per phase/tier in wotlk guide?
I won't be doing that. Sorry!
why does his R sound sounds so strange? german/french?
legendary vid dude. good vid
What is the music used in chapter VI?
The Very Very Very Strongest
@@AwbeeX57 Thanks but I Think that's IV. I meant VI starting from 11:03.
@@Siegmeyer23 you're kidding right I even made a community post about it and everything xD
Stickerbrush Symphony, it is also one of my favorite :p take a listen to the entire DKC2 soundtrack if you want it has some good bops.
@@AwbeeX57 Ty sir, `The Very Very Very Strongest` is of course a cool track as well, but yeah I recognized `Stickerbrush Symphony` had those old school SNES vibes but couldn't recall where I'd heard it last. Also I should add you're making great content - you seem to have achieved the right balance of subject matter detail, humour in the script, and then the overall production value and the atmosphere created with the music etc. Good stuff!
What do you think is the best profession for Feral druid?
Engi / Jc paws down.
00:40 epic!!!
What is the best profession for raid content as cat dps?
Engi/JC or Engi/Tailor, both work, tailor is proc JC is stable stats :p
So no BS for the extra sockets? :D
@@alexanderhertz1 Nah, they can help you reach caps earlier but JC will give you +1 stat over BS :D
@@AwbeeX57 Okay thank you, I'll be leveling that now in TBC so I can represent the big D1ck dps for the kitty cats
@awbeex57 am playing Feral in warmane, i have 5.9 Gs , i do the same rotation in video , and i did around 8.5-9k dps per second its normal ?
On a Dummy that seems fine, Inside of ICC that might be a little low, It depends on your gear setup ofcourse.
Make sure you cap hit rating/expertise and then try to push that ARP cap (1400).
After that you'll see the DPS fly up :)
@@AwbeeX57 HIT and expertise + ARp caped also i have sts (nm) DBW(hm) full t10
Just keep at it, you should see more damage coming with every piece of gear you get now.
@@AwbeeX57 brother , quick question , after cap arnp , hit , expertise , what should i geme ?
@@lablebi3030 I gem haste for more Clearcasting procs.
What stat is should I look fore on gear before I can reach the Arp Cap of 1400, Crit rating or haste rating? (when I have 7/8% Hit and 26 Expertise)
Cap hit/exp first then ARP, after that focus on Haste for more clearcasting procs.
After u cap arp cap, you shojld focus to get soft crit caped, which is 70% unbuffed, them focus on haste
what is the addon called which shows ur dmg on the side?
MSBT, Its in my Discord, links in the description.
if you rake before savage roar, the rake won´t do the 30% extra damage on the bleed ... is there no solution to get around this ?
Never played Wrath but I'm assuming you could pre-savage roar on a trash pack before a boss, considering your raid knows what they are doing and can go right into a fight.
Is unholy dk harder to gear than the others i am asking beacuse sometimes i raid i really rarely get something i need
Nah its pretty easy to gear, just need the actual gear to drop.
You can be cat?
????
IM SORRY
Saying not to ferocious bite under Berserk effect is wrong. That's one of the few times it's acceptable to ferocious bite, since you're generating enough combo points quickly enough to not let bleeds fall off.
Well you can either do 1-2 fero bites or a lot more shreds, more shreds will result in higher damage.
@@AwbeeX57 If you cut the energy costs in half, Shred is 21 and Bite is 18. Bite will 100% hit harder than Shred as well, so you're wasting Energy and doing less damage by not using bite during berserk.
Been doing Barkskin for clearcasting for 10 minutes now as well, and not a single Clearcasting proc. So that's possible been fixed, depending how old that clip at the end is.
Just did Shred vs Bite without wasting a full energy bar, Shred is doing 8.1k unbuffed while Bite did 19.7k. This is at the minimum energy needed for Bite. In raid it's closer to 20k shred and 50k Bites.
@@xonkk8976 Well check it in a raid, Barkskin clip is from 1 day ago.
The thing that makes Shred better is that you can get 2-3 shreds per 1 fero bite.
@@AwbeeX57 In a raid it would be no different. It has the same effect.
waiting for the balding man to react to this... Wait, wrong streamer? Kek.
He already did, check the dislike bar, funky and friends in motion :D
Meh. Just let them be. The fact that you have fact checkers is a nice touch dude. NOW YE SHALL MAKE THEE COMBAT ROGUE GUIDE. ❤ (include maths plz)
whats that timer track addon?
Need to Know, its in my Discord, links in the description.
Rotation seems complicated
should i ever use ferocious bite? or only skip out on it during berserk?
generally no on using FB during berserk since it drains your energy, but you can use it as your last spell of berserk.
Does the feral use a slow or fast weapon?
Polearm
Man I'm steal mad for this bad 🐈
Link addons , please! And maybe an addon for combo points :)
Yo, its all in the Discord, links in the description.
OkAY we need UH next ;D
Where you from bro?
Holland
@@AwbeeX57 dacht ik al. Leuke content man. Ben nu feral druid aan het levelen door jou. Keep it up
what about aoe rotation ?
You'll want to get Berserk up asap, while the tank is still "stacking" the adds preferably.
Then just spam swipe, Faerie Fire, Natures Grasp(yes it can proc Clearcasting(atleast on Warmane.))
Some AoE fights are super short (think some dungeons mobs having 50k hp) in those situations just skip Berserk and spam swipe.
thanks man @@AwbeeX57
Tell me good trinket (i dont have sts and dbw)
Banner of Victory and Whispering Fanged Skull would be the alternative.
Hey awbee can u play some holy priest some time :p
Sure i'll see what I can do.
@@AwbeeX57 that would be awesome
Just go on Warmane forums and look for a Rotation guide because this right here is not the way of da deval...
"Start off with a Mangle (uses Shred)".
Unless there is a bear, watch the video :p
I watched it but you should always start with Mangle, even if there are 10 ferals in the raid first GCD is Mangle, followed by Savage Roar and Rake, you do not REAPPLY Mangle if there is a bear.
No hard feeling or anything, u legit have Feral rotation video for 5min on a dummy on forums for free that you can all learn from.
@@urosdasic8121 Nah man, Shred does more damage and costs less energy.
Well I am no math Expert, but I think 42 > 40. :D
@@urosdasic8121 yeah I guess you got me there, the damage difference is still too big, if someone else is providing Mangle just be happy he is providing it and don't apply it at the start.
Bro..aoe dps rotation for cat?
Get Savage Roar up and then spam Swipe.
Macros?
www.tinyurl.com/AwbeeX57
shud have em all :)
@@AwbeeX57 my god thx a lot i ll need them 4 sure xd
7% hit for draenei? Draenei can't be a druid.
Its a group buff.
@@AwbeeX57 7 years on wotlk and I didn't know it XD Maybe because I was playing mostly in horde.
@@overskillcap78 That makes sense hehe :D
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Cat pwr all the way :))
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wtf?
@@AwbeeX57 the beginning XD amazing video
2nd. :p