sorry if this came off a little agressive! I'm just really tired of all the corset-shaming and misinformation. it seems that no matter how many videos I make on the topic, or how many times I try to suggest to people that they may be repeating a myth, it doesn't do much. I hope that history of corsetry gets more academic attention, especially from scholars involved in medicine! if you're working on corset history related research or project, please link it here in the comments!
I'll personally never forget a woman I worked with at a renaissance faire who somehow, by some bizarre grace of god, jumped a fence in a corset, hoop skirt, and high heels with no problem. She still terrifies me
Where do I start in explaining that people walk around with pretty destroyed mental health and even physical health and still look highly functional? 😂 I do think it's kind of amazing yet it's kind of also not the type of resilience you want people to have to have. Ofcourse that example is in good fun. But I'd like us to be careful both ways. Corsets are tools like any other. Having pros and cons like any other, being good AND bad relatively to their utilisation!
Yup! The problem isn't the corsets themselves, it's Hollywood's fn behavior towards actors, particularly the often extremely harmful means of sexualizing them, both women and men! Look at the dehydration they have their actors go through before filming, especially on shirtless scenes. They often have to dehydrate for three or more days to achieve that toned look! So honestly, if Hollywood's version of _anything_ is harmful? It's because they care more about sex appeal then safety. On this note, it's probably not even the costume designer's fault!
@@hyperfox0934 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 AMEN. I think Karolina said it in another video but having actresses complain about "enduring" corsets is almost a staple of the movie circuit to show how "dedicated" they are. Honestly!!! Saying all women tight-laced is like saying all women now wear 8-inch stilettos every day; no doubt some do, but saying that all women do just because fashion photos show it would be a basic & wildky incorrect extrapolation error.
@S L I don't care about any waves... But I think you raise good points. This whole thing certainly doesn't seem black-and-white and it's good to have different points of view.
@S L literally corsets are??? Just another form of undergarment??? Corsets can be co-opted and fetishized and taken too far because literally anything women wear under patriarchy can, but corsets can also just be practical. They're designed to support the torso and breasts (and frankly do the job better than modern bras especially for folks with larger breasts, since supporting all that weight from shoulder straps can be really bad for your back). There's the double edged sword where men demand a certain figure from women but also mock them for their attempts to reach that figure rather than just naturally having a wasp waist. Like how nowadays men will mock women who are too "obviously" wearing makeup but still want women's faces to appear in a way that most can only achieve with makeup. The most prominent examples of corsets being taken "too far" and "male gaze-y" are also basically all from the wealthy and upper classes. Wealthy Victorian women had the privilege to not have to do strenuous work and were therefore able to go absolutely bananas with their corsets. Working class women still wore corsets though just like a modern working women would still wear a bra- they wanted their boobs to be supported. They didn't do it to appeal to the "male gaze", they did it because they didn't want their breasts bouncing painfully around and stuff. It's pretty narrow-sighted to define the use of corsetry only by what the wealthiest and most privileged people did with it.
@@verybarebones I wasn't saying high heels were great, I wasn't saying they were bad either. I was just stating that corsets, when worn correctly, seem safer than tall high heels. A lot of the celebrities complaining about the corsets they had to wear, all wear heels. Just an analysis.
"i mean, realistically, why would anyone want to live with a rodent in their hair if they could easily avoid it?" what if the rodent is helping you cook for a high-end restaurant and controlling all of your motions? ever think about that?
My wedding dress required a light type of corset underneath. Turns out many of them do. It wasn't bad at all. You know what was painful? The high heels.
@@vaporean_boylove.0w083 yh actually heels are actually quite a bit dangerous when worn regularly long term because it changes the way your body has to walk and increases the force exerted by your body on the ground due to decreased surface area of the sole of your foot. Apparently long term use can increase chance of arthritis in the spine or knees or lower down the foot. Why I try to only wear them on occasion:)
@@pleasedontlookforme8036 i wore heels (more or less high) on a daily basis and i like it . i have to agree that yes it create back pain but i also think that heels has to have a good grap over the ankles for it to be more confortable and to walk more safly. i'm not saying "heels are a good things" no i'm just saying how i feel about it: i like it even if it's not healthy but it's just a personnal preference for my outfit. and don't even think about running on high and thin heels
I wore a corset for a production and I was able to fight, sing, dance, get yeeted into the air, make out with someone and get brutality murdered. All in a corset.
before you put yourself above the generations before you, keep in mind that every other generation before and after you have said the exact same things about the generation before them. There is good and bad in every era of humanity
@@digital.hamaki I'm feeling incredibly validated and super glad I have a video to point people to when they start talking about "the dangers of corsets"
Thank you! Very interesting. Armor was also tailored to fit perfectly. It was a common misconception that knights could not move in full plate armor. This notion was equally wrong and entrenched in 19th century mythology. The analogy is remarkable. I appreciate your research and smart, nuanced analysis! Your medical points are also appreciated and acurate. I agree it would be great if there was more medical history research on this topic.
I find the analogy very apt as well! Everyone forgets that knights were championship athletes as well as walking (and running and riding and leaping and fighting) tanks.
@@clockworkkirlia7475 Oh man, you made me think of something. A scene where knights in full body armor just charging through the ranks of enemies like rhinos
You’ve made me want to see a bunch of Knights wearing well fitted armor playing touch football against a bunch of women wearing well fitted corsets. Just to prove all the dumbasses wrong.
To be fair to all the actresses badmouthing corsets over the years, I don’t think they’re lying. After all costume designers very rarely give actresses stays or shifts to wear, they often just expect these ladies to wear corsets on bare skin, not to mention depending on the money in the production the actress might have to squeeze into a costume that isn’t fitted right at all, so with that in mind it doesn’t surprise me at all that a lot of actresses see them as unpleasant things to wear.
@The Owl Lady that's really discriminatory to say. Enough with the hating on wealthy just because they have money. So what if that's the case, no reason to dump on them or not have sympathy. It just negates all their money anyway and they'd be left iwth nothing - and that's not fair to the individual. You may not like what I say, but I stand by it.
@The Owl Lady Oh I agree they earn way to much money, but that's not the point I was making. I know people who have worked in costume design for a living, and trust me, there are plenty of examples in film and television of rushed productions where the actress or actor had to be uncomfortable in a costume because they didn't have the time or money to make the proper adjustments. Most costumes on screen are made to look pretty to the audience, not to be something the actors can wear on a daily basis. A perfect example of this is superhero movies, every single one has stories from actors and actresses about how uncomfortable and sometimes painful a lot of these costumes were to wear. Chadwick Bosman and Scarlet Johanssen both talked about how their Black Panther and Black Widow costumes were so hot that there were times while shooting where both actors found it difficult to breath properly. But they put up with it, because like you said, they are getting paid a lot.
@theowllady7381 So why are you siding with the producers that are happy to cut corners wherever possible, and earn more money than you will in 1000 years?
Well, corset design is critical. A badly designed corset really could be a torture device. I would assume that most movie costuming designers don't particularly have expertise in this area. Most common bad effect from a badly made corset would be too much pressure on the kidneys due to poor design. But I mean, if you used piano wire as a seatbelt in a car, that wouldn't turn out very well either. 99% of modern corsets are not real corsets, they're lingerie made to look like a corset, while embodying very little of the structural engineering, and none of the fitting. A "real" corset unfortunately starts at well over $500, and would be custom fitted to suit a long list of your personal measurements. A real corset doesn't need much to be comfortable. Considering the cost, you'll probably want it made from a very durable material though (like cotton duck). So it's a bit abrasive. A liner (jersey knit like a t-shirt is great) worn under the corset instantly transforms it into being very comfortable though. I've actually used a cheap tshirt or cami as a liner, works great. A soft linen or cotton is probably the traditional liner. Could silk-line the corset, but I think it's better to have an easily washable separate liner. A $99 "corset" (and i use that term loosely) from a chain store, is really just costume-wear, and should never be laced tightly enough to offer any support. I assume that's what movie sets use mostly.
Funfact: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart had severe acne but on portrais flawless skin. That‘s because he told the painter he doesn‘t want his pimpels in the picture
So, I used to compete in powerlifting. For really heavy lifts, you put on a very wide, very tight weightlifting belt. It gives your core something to press against as you lift and provides stability. Having worn corsets for costumes in the past, it strikes me just now how similar the two items are.
Probably not the same, but when I have something tight around my body, I feel instant relief from my back pain. It's slight and always present, so absence of pain is a pleasure by itself)
@@Sasha-zw9ss Corsets are actually used for correcting the spine on children and teenagers while the bones are still malleable enough so that people don't develop permanent scoliosis and kyphosis that is impossible to correct as adults. It's basically the same procedure like using braces for correcting teeth. If done right, it supports optimal posture so it's obviously important that it fits the person that it wears.
Is it different from back braces? Those really hard plastic braces to straighten the back? That was a nightmare, i wore it 24 hours a day for 2 years and i would get bruises, besides the bullying. But i guess its diferent from corsets because braces do the exact opposite. They have "cushions" pushing the parts of the spine that are curvy (also have scoliosis). And now, years later, doctors tell me that that kind of treatment is arcaic, and actually made my spine get even more fucked up, because my muscles were so weak from not having to work (the braces did all the work) that when i stopped wearing them the curve "grew" like crazy. Anyway, dont know why i wrote such a long comment lol. I guess im just interested to know if a corset, worn daily, would also make your muscles weak, tho i suppose its not a huge problem for people with straight spines
You know what this reminds me of? People saying they can't move in historical armor. They often ignore the padding, are working in very hot conditions, and don't bother to train themselves to get used to the weight. That's why soldiers for 2000 years run with backpacks; it's how you get used to it. It's like breaking in a shoe; it's not going to feel right until you've gone for a few hours walking. Meanwhile there's videos of people doing flips in mail and handstands in plate.
The best answer I can think of to anyone that believes armor to be super clunky is to send them the TH-cam video titled "Knights in Gym" Those guys move around in their armor way better than the average overweight out of shaper naysayer.
True, but it gets really hot underneath and you need to stay away from water, so some of the disadvantages of full armor is actually true. It's also the reason they had more bulky horses back then than the more slim horses used today for riding. They had to carry all that weight on top of own body armor. That's also why the depictions of medieval horses in almost all movies are simply wrong.
@@Asto508The weight of heavy full-plate armor is around 20-30 kg. That is actually same as weight of full equipment (backpack, heavy bulletproof armor and etc.) of modern soldier. So it is heavy, but nothing like "unbearable heavy" - for horse it is even less essential
Also if armor was too heavy then people would not have used it. The fact it's so widely used and seen almost everywhere in the ancient world is proof of how good it was.
@@MEPHISTOPHELESw I have taught myself art and calligraphy, free of teachers or tips save for the occasional tutorial video when I'm confused. I'm 13 years old, and I have written 75 original characters, developed a planet, created a language, and can write better than an awful lot of people where I live. I can recognise the fashions of any year in the Victorian era, and I'm learning how to sew so I can make decent vintage outfits. What have you done, at prossibly much older than me? Sit in your parents' basement, with the broken down computer they bought you, eating industry-fed chips and ranting about women because, for some god-forsaken reason, none of them would date your neckbearded, pedophile-looking face? No one can truly live without help. Shut your fucking mouth and talk once you have something meaningful to say.
@@urdadsleftasshole69 Ah, yes. Art and writing, the two most useless "talents" of the modern age. The time of great works of art and literature are long passed and all already achieved by some long dead dude. Your online roleplays aren't achievements, kiddo. Even then, I doubt all your claims including your age. Though, that one I don't really care for you to prove. Considering you're not full of shit (and you probably are), I'm 10 years older than you and have experience across multiple duty stations (Currently serving in the Honor Guard), overseas experience, several military commendations and certifications (ARCOM, Air Assault, etc), competed nationally in grappling, certified by the Cambridge AICE program and have BA in Engineering and Mathematics from UF. Throughout all of this, especially the military, I've seen nothing but inadequacy at worst and mediocrity at best from my female "peers". Though, that's likely because I'm infantry MOS. I'd tell you to add me on snapchat so I can clown you for being so pathetically cringy and probably looking like a furbie but I don't associate with children like that. Tell your mom to add me, she's more my speed. Lol, you people and your basement neck beard fetish; unbelievable. Best of luck to you, "artist". I hope you don't grow up to utilize all the crutches in place for women and actually accomplish something worthwhile in this world. As a modern artist that's not very likely....but you can try. My advice, don't take yourself too seriously and marry up. I can guarantee you we're about to have a culture shift soon that won't benefit the attitude you're adopting.
I agree that bras can be uncomfortable🙃but for someone like me who has a very large chest size, it ends up being waayyy more uncomfortable for me in the end if I don’t wear any support at all. In fact I wish I had something with even more support than a bra cause it is not enough.
Trained opera singer here! Fun fact - singing in a corset is AMAZING. When you sing, you rely on something called your support, which is the tension caused by simultaneously pressing out with and in on your diaphragm. Corsets let you cheat because they provide some of the pressure in on your diaphragm! I jump at the chance to sing in a corset, even if it isn't period appropriate!
Girl same! ( sort of) I was in a madrigal choir in high school and my costume had a plastic boned corset. I loved it! I was so much more comfortable on stage and my support was way better than it used to be. I hated giving it up at the end of the year!
I was wondering about that when she mentioned it! Literally thought to myself "Huh, that might actually help with breath support and core engagement." Gotta get the diaphragm workin'!
I wanted to use your arguments in my final graduation paper for fashion school. You cannot imagine the backlash I got from my history teacher, that none of my arguments were valid (so I wasn’t actually allowed to use them) and that all women were terribly oppressed up until the 1960s. The extent of arrogance to believe that every single generation before us was inferior to us is just fucking embarrassing.
I told my social studies teacher that water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas when they (they were extremely liberal) made the whole class look at me, because she wanted to portray it as CO2. History teachers am I right? My biology teacher said that dogs have no emotions and lobsters can't feel pain - as a way to justify experimenting on them! They at least recognized there was something going on. I mean if you don't really know or think they can't, why risk it in case they can?
@@extropiantranshuman WHAT?!!! WHO SAYS THAT ABOUT DOGS?! I have seen dogs wagging their tails furiously and whimpering with excitement whenever their owners come home! I’ve seen a dog leap into its owner’s arms when they finally came home from military service. I’ve seen a dog spin around and bark to get their owner to throw a ball! If someone says that dogs don’t feel emotions, then either they’ve never met a dog or they’re lying!
@@dragonsword8129 those who don't want to give rights to animals and use just about every justification to harm them are the ones that deny animal existences of saying they aren't intelligent, emotional, etc. Did you not read what I said? They would break arms of lobsters and said there's no emotions yet they knew what was happening. People like my teacher just want any excuse they can get for their wrongdoing and getting everyone to accept it.
@@extropiantranshuman I read that part. But as an animal lover who has owned dogs, I couldn’t resist going on a rant anyway. I was rhetorically asking at the beginning of my reply while trying vent my anger. It shocks me that someone would even try to say a lie like that. Dogs are one of the most popular pets out there, which means that there’s a whole lot of people who won’t buy that claim for even a second.
actresses wearing corsets: "the corset gave me stomach cancer and i still can't breathe because of it" real people wearing corsets: "wow this really helps my back"
To be fair, those actresses are likely wearing tight laced corsets that are more designed to look good than feel good. Whereas women who actually wore/wear corsets on a regular basis didn’t have them ridiculously tight laced. I do think there’s a lot of exaggeration but I also know that, historically, female actresses are often mistreated or pressured by directors to do things that are harmful or uncomfortable just to achieve a desired “look”.
YES 👏🏾 I tried one on at a corset shop & not only was it comfortable, I could still breathe, move, sit & it made my posture better. Once you get used to wearing it for a few minutes, it's freaking awesome.
This makes me think of a line from Emerson that society is a wave: it moves forward but the water stays the same (i.e. the world advances and changes, but people remain the same)
@bishes be mad True. There's good people and there's bad people and it'll always be that way. No matter where you are in the world or what year it is, there's kind and helpful people, but there will always be bad seeds lurking about and some in broad daylight, waiting to ruin other peoples lives. Humans will always be divided and there will always be conflict. Humans are beings of conflict, even the nice ones can be.
As a heavy breasted woman with literal grooves in my shoulders from wearing bras, I thank you! I wish I could find/afford a real, well-fitted corset. My shoulders would be very grateful.
I created a bra taht could replace the modern one as well as a corset - and I'm heavy too. I'd prototype it if I had the money and resources. I guess if you or someone else does - they can contact me for the design.
I ended up making my own because I struggle with the same problems! Even nerve damage from the weight put on the bra straps. It is 100% worth the money, the time, the effort. My back has never felt better
Why the heck is this recommended to me, I’m a man who has no interest in fashion or corsets. That being said, I did watch the whole video, and it was way more interesting than I would have thought, but I’m so confused why it was recommended. This was genuinely one of the most interesting videos I’ve watched in a while. Edit: Hello everyone, my girlfriend has issues with back pain and I remembered this video talking about how corsets could help and was wondering if anyone knew of any good websites for buying corsets? I hope the TH-cam community can help with this lol.
Now you should Praise the Almighty Algorithm. I for myself think it got recommended cause I watch a lot of historical channels (and I blame Metatron for introducing me to his gilfriend's channel about historical makeup styles - there may be connection there).
I'm not super into history stuff except for things like this--how people actually lived their lives. So clothing and food history is fascinating to me. I highly recommend Townsends (mostly about colonial America and they do things other than food) and also Tasting History (about any part of the world he can get records for in all time periods) for historical food. I'm blanking on historical fashion channels right now though. Overly Sarcastic Productions is also fun for general history and mythology/folklore/literature
honestly?? our modern plastic surgery industry is WAYYYY scarier and more harmful and actually dystopic and legitimately deadly, but yall aint ready for that conversation
Hey. Women do that to feel more confident about themselves, not for someone else. And those who do...well it's their choice. What is conditioning? 🤔 No there's no way our opinions and behaviour is learned or imposed. Don't be insecure, just be born perfect. M'lady. *EDIT* MY COMMENT WAS SARCASTIC APPARENTLY THAT _HAS_ TO BE SAID NO OTHER WAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE TRULY DO LIVE IN A SOCIETY POE'S LAW ANYONE? Anyway I'm more sceptical than passionately against plastic surgery, I just think the idea that it's _entirely_ their choice and there's not a million factors affecting their decisions is utter bullshit. And that includes marketing too. _And_ wearing uncomfortable clothes "because fashion".
@@aliveslice OP never implied otherwise - but how extensive and normalised it is to be unhappy with your natural appearance in certain countries e.g. South Korea is the exact opposite of empowerment.
mental she mentions that the problem is the industry, not the patients. The same way that the make up industry is harmful because both industries have shaped the narration to be that they’re encourage individuality and empowerment and self expression but ignore how they function almost completely in a capitalistic manner Make up companies aren’t above using women and even children’s insecurities against them, just as the plastic surgery industry won’t fully tell you the risk of certain procedures because it’s against their best interest of you decide the risks are too high. Basically these two industries are capitalist and businesses FIRST. They are not above gaslighting and manipulating their target consumers into supporting them and unfortunately they’ve been doing that far aggressively now than before and even worse, they do it under the guise of “self expression” Not saying that make up or plastic surgery is inherently wrong/evil. Not at all. It’s that we need to take everything they offer with handfuls of salt and recognize that what they’re offering isnt inherently good either This goes for a lot of things. Like Company’s that are trying to be woke but are actually just capitalizing on social and human rights issues eg clothing companies trying to capitalize on the lgbt flag design when they’ve never showed an inkling of support before and after. Disney is a huge culprit in this too
Cocaine was an effective pain killer in liquid form. Powder form, though... Same with opium. Liquid form, effective pain killer. Having it smoked? Major addiction.
My first time wearing a corset I thought I was doing something wrong when it didn’t cause me to be incapable of anything besides just walking around. And that’s when I did research and was shocked to learn..... that was normal.
I absolutely love the point you made about how future generations love to assume the people of the past were stupid and dirty in order to emphasize our progress (not to mention most history in general is written by men). I think we often get caught up in these sensationalized beliefs that ALL WOMEN HAVE SUFFERED FOREVER BECAUSE THEYRE VAIN, rather than examining that most women made clothes FOR women, meant to be worn practically in the eras they lived in. Woman had the same bodies and biological needs then that they do now... it’s common sense to design clothing that caters to that.
True. But some women have suffered at some times because they're vain. Source: I've worn some truly annoying/uncomfortable/painful things to look hawt. Then I got older and decided it wasn't worth it, I'd rather be comfortable and look just...nice. Presentable.
AbigailR84 oh absolutely, myself included. But to base women’s entire fashion on that alone just ends up sounding really insulting. Men have worn some pretty ridiculous things throughout history too, but that’s not what they’re remembered for 🤷🏼♀️
But I also don't accept the argument that something couldn't be bad because it was popular and so many women did it. Look at foot binding in China - that went on for centuries and basically involved breaking the bones in girls feet, repeatedly for years. And look at female genital mutilation which still continues today. In Egypt, 90% of women have been victims of this practice! Since so many women are inflicting this on their daughters, does that mean it's fine because they wouldn't do it if it were so bad? Throughout history, women have endured extreme pain and sometimes mutilation in order to fit in to society. Because they did it, doesn't make it ok.
@@chrisfarmer6893 that was only for upper to high class women in China, and in addition, yes you're right about the pain and mutilation but women were put through that to please men. To be dependent on men. To be seen as beautiful and useful to men. Men made those standards and then complained when they got what they insisted on. Women just tried to succeed however they could. Often by being shit mothers who cut up their daughters to be more digestible to men. However corsetry patently doesn't have those nasty side-effects unless you get pretty deep into tightlacing, so what's the point here? Corsets have also been used to correct and support scoliosis patients, gals with EDS, and several other health conditions. Clearly it has done as much good as harm.
@@L_MarienneSeeley I agree corsets do not compare to those other examples as far as harm. My point is just that I do not accept that because a practice was widespread, means it must not be harmful. Something can be very common and also very damaging. I think the more convincing evidence mentioned in the video, comes from the modern day re-enactors, opera singers, and others who use corsets today and can give a fair review.
Karolina: *mentions that corsets help with breast weight & may help back pain* Me: (large chested w/ chronic back pain) 🤔 Perhaps I ought to invest in one...
Do not forget to do sports as well though. I somewhat missed in this video, that supporting your back also weakens your muscles in the long run. So, you need to make use of both: corset and sports. Unless of course you already work in the fields and carry water buckets on your shoulders all day long. (Which is something the author of the video does not do either, and then proceeds to say how she can't touch her toes.) Do use it, but do not misuse it.
@@rjtp2552 scoliosis braces are meant to bend a curved spine back into place as a person is still growing (teens). It's why many public middle/jr highs do checks for scoliosis. It can only be corrected non invasively while you're still growing. I'm imagining this girl's back problems are not due to a bent spine so she really doesn't want a scoliosis brace. But they do make lots of different types of back braces. I wear one to support my lower back sometimes. It's pretty small. There are full body models too. All sorts of things can be helped with the right type of pressure or support.
@Rhese Avallone I actually don't wear a bra at all because of this. Boobs are squishy and soft. A normal bra can't fit in a perfect way while the ricage, Spine and so on make the underbreast and Tummy area stable and when you du sports also strong. So a corset could fit perfect.
yeah I really don't blame any actresses who answer honestly about their experiences with corsets, especially as it was given to them by a costume professional so most of them would assume that they are being given the best corset available. I had to wear a badly fitted corset for 8 hours a day for weeks without breaking it in, I'd think they were the worst thing in the world as well
Also in Lily James's case, her waist in the Cinderella dress looks so small that unless they enhanced it with special effects, she most likely was indeed tightlaced.
@@beeclan50 I don't know the actual answer, but I suspect that it's cause every body is different. It's like getting a new shoe, the shoe is technically your size but it doesn't quite fit until you break them in.
@@hawkins347 about that , the actress already has a small waist . She indeed did wear a corset but I don't think she was thighlace cuz the gown creates an illusion because the skirt is voluminous and the top portion is big too. Since the top and bottom are huge it creates an illusion of a smaller waist 😄.
My mom thinks a corset would kill me but as someone who wants to be a fashion historian one day, my mom doesn’t know the real history, myths, facts and all that it really isn’t that dangerous if you wear the corset properly and with a protective layer
Wait, so thinking that corsets are bad and a sign of patriarchy... is actually what the patriarchy wants you to think!? Damn, plot twist of the century.
What's also funny is that 2nd(?i think) wave feminists wanted women to be seen as sexy and powerful and now modernly the corset and it's current equivalent is worn by the sexiest powerful women.
When I hear people talking about or see articles on how horrible corsets supposedly are, my mind always goes to drag queens. Corsets and padding are a huge part of drag, and have been for decades, and if you know anything about drag then you know that they're not just standing there on stage and fainting. If drag queens can dance and perform for hours in corsets, are they really these killer torture devices that they're always depicted as?
anonym I’m not quite sure what you mean by “short and exceptional” but well known drag performers wear corsets and padding for sometimes 10 hours at a time. And as was said, they are singing, dancing, and moving around just fine in the corsets. So if someone that active isn’t fainting or short of breath, someone wearing a corset while baking or doing laundry shouldn’t be out of breath either.
@@_blank-_ if a beginner queen can drag her whole DJing equipment across a big city in platform shoes and wearing a corset directly onto her skin without going "ouch", then perform, then go back home to remove it, i think you're fine wearing one to an office job
There's another thing that might have sparked men ridiculing corsets. Remember, men wore corsets, too. And they wore them pretty much exclusively to pull in their fat rolls, and thus _they_ needed to have them tight-laced, which made them feel like torture devices. It's easy for them to then conclude they feel the same for women.
That would at least be a more believable theory than her ridiculous theory that the men of the time just hated women and wanted to put them down. We need to remember that the feminist or womens suffrage movement has never been that popular. It wasnt until men forced it down our throats. I mean literally even in the period before the womens right to vote passed, most women didnt want it, especially in Europe. People have a bad habit of looking at the past with modern glasses, but men likely werent trying to ban a fashion outfit that made women look more skinny because a few women wanted some privilege (that many men didnt even have, especially not without life sacrifice, which is also partly why women didnt want that privilege, since despite another lie of this video creator, women had more than just clothing as a way to express themselves. Feminism got to rewrite history but only for those who fall for it. Its why its still not that popular even today. Its largely man hating and divisive. Things were instead more complex. The corset is still around today and its largely women who complain the most about it. Not men. Same as in the past, I guarantee. Not saying all complaints are or were ever valid and I am sure some men thought it was a stupid piece of fashion, oh well...
Well that and the thought "doesn't that squish the internal organs? That can't feel good, or _be_ good for you". And yes, there is such a thing as too small. But if you're smart, as most generally were, then you don't try for the extremes. Also people forget the corset waists were shrunk down over a long period of time, whereas people trying them today often go for a much too narrow one for their body type right off the bat. No wonder it causes pain, discomfort and fainting!
But this would have been beneficial to men. Look at how common back pain is. Imagine as a man with a herniated disk in the Victorian Era? How do you treat that? A corset... We have to remember that people work heavily then. The same injuries we see today in physical labor occurred in that time also.
@@TheTyrial86 A corset isnt ideal for back pain. We have back braces now and they work nothing alike. You simply dont need a corset. Its only function is vanity. Fact is, if women stopped a fashion because of men only, then that says more about women than men. Men are practical. Corsets can be good or bad depending on use. Thats all. They never even died out. They just became less popular. Women change fashion trends every generation. Why is this one being treated different? Only because this woman is a feminist and feminism equals man hating.
I have to break in every new shoe I purchase or my feet will hurt awfully and develop blisters. Therefore shoes are instruments of torture meant to harm and oppress women.
Sometimes you luck out and the shoes are ridiculously well fitted to your feet, and you can wear them all day long from day one because they support everything you need supported to the point where being barefoot is weirdly somehow less comfortable. Those sorts of shoes usually aren't leather shoes or the like, though.
Shoes *are* instruments of torture. I stopped wearing them over a decade ago (except in extreme winter). YMMV, but I could never get them to fit even remotely well.
It seems like corsets are kinda like ice skates. They have to fit to your foot just right, must be broken in, and if it's not the right size, or in this case, isn't fitted to your body perfectly, it will hurt like hell.
@serendipidus1 get a skate that can be HEATED to your foot and they make you walk about in said skate to break it in and form it to your feet so it's way more fitted.
@@Silver_wind_1987_ is there technology like that to make custom-fitted bras? That sounds so awesome. Normal shoes too, I've never found a comfortable shoe.
I have never worn a corset, but I have ice skated plenty of times. My current hockey monstrocities are very uncomortable! My feet always feel like they're burning whenever I skate. I am pretty sure they're too big (I'm a girl with feet that are possibly a bit bigger than the norm).
@@alissapurplebunnies5955 Don't know about bras, but historically that's how the materials in some corsets used to behave when in contact with body heat. Someone might have had the idea of using the same materials?
I wore a corset for a musical and it was literally the most comfortable costume I’ve ever had and it was fantastic for my singing-it gives your diaphragm something to work against!
That really makes sense. I'm a competitive powerlifter, and we use lifting belts to brace our core against. When i do wear my corset, it has a similar feel.
I had to wear a corset because it was included in my dress for being a princess. It was very, VERY, tight but I had to sing SUPER high bIt made me sound so much less breathy because I couldn’t breathe as much as I would normally while singing. Now, I always sing like that!
The part about pressure being evenly distributed reminds me of how armor plates were similarly worn tightly for similar reasons, with some armors even having an additional leather belt worn around the waist to help with that. This principle still holds today as well for modern ballistic armor vest. I know this is kinda weird saying this on a channel about historical fashion but I just find it interesting.
My first reaction to both the complaints and the athletics was immediately to think about body armor in history. It was always worn over fabric, and it took time for the body to be conditioned to the garment with exercise. There's a difference between a guy who wears plate once a year to someone who spend days training in it and then years fighting in it. Your body can shift to accommodate the new clothes without any real damage. It's not comfortable, but all it takes is the right padding and physical training.
I saw an article today on “the pain of beauty” around the world and through history. And of course there was a section on Victorian corsets. And they were like “tHEy All SHarEd thE PurPoSE oF shRInKiNG tHE wAiSt.” And they talked about how corsets caused cancer, and death, and pain, and all this crap, and I was like “...no...”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to explain to people that corsets weren’t these pieces of death designed by men to make women miserable.
How. On. Earth. Could. A. Corset. Cause. Cancer?!?!?! Is it made of radioactive materials? Is the HarDEnD StEeL iN thE CorsEt RADIOACTIVE? I mean, in victorian times, it's (sorta) undersatndable. But nowdays? Why would anyone think that? Why?!
@@starsun6363 A extremely over-tightened corset or improperly-sized corset can restrict the bloodflow in the spleen (or was it the liver?), which is correlated with higher rates of spleen/liver cancer...that's all I got.
When you dress opera singers, many of them WANT the corsets on the tighter side because it helps with breath support and helps them do their jobs better. Fun fact.
One thing to note regarding the bath corset study is that not only were many of them malnourished but people were just smaller then than now. Probably due ro our improved nutrition. In addition when it comes to extant garments often it is the outliers thst remain. Meaning the smallest sizes tend to be morz prolific than the average most used size because the average ones just got wore out and destroyed while the small ones remained in good condition. So that would skew the results and artificially lower their average waist size.
That actually depends on the type of support you give. Some choose to contract their stomachs to support the notes while others prefer to expand them. It's more of a personal thing, really.
I'm AMAB, but wore stays when I did the role of "Platee". It was perfectly fine, good for support and more comfortable than a 1600's Doublet that's for sure.
@@ElanorKella I don't get the "I wear a hat so I can cook" joke, but you're totally correct about people not understanding the old term for a Bump-it made of upcycled lost hairs instead of plastic.
My mom when I told my mom I was wearing a custom made corset for my costumes: "But you wont wear em a lot so they don't damage your organs?" ME: going into a 1 hr explanation why all of those myths are dumb and totally not true and corsets are perfectly safe when fitted well - i could literally wear it every day. My mom: "But you won't do that, right? because that would damage your organs." ME: HEAD -> wall
YES! This comment! I'm currently pregnant and my baby has changed my insides and cracked my ribs! But my costume corsets I sometimes wore before pregnancy never hurt me! Worth it though, so excited to be a mama.
People: BUT LOOK! EVEN THIS OLD ARTICLE FROM THE TIME PERIOD SAYS CORSETS ARE BAD-- Me: *shows them article where men believed a woman's uterus could fly out of their body by riding in or driving trains and cars*
@@vampirexion I mean, lots of things were considered bad for women because "what about the uterus!?!?!" Anything from studying (yes really, it will make the blood flow from the uterus to the brain, thus shriveling the uterus and making the woman less fertile, no reading for you missy!) to going too fast in some form of transport. "Bicycle face" was a thing, cycling made women ugly so it's bad (easy transport that gave many women more freedom and a wider range of travel).
@@AnnekeOosterink - I thought the whole "bicycle face" thing was from umm....how do I put this...the shape of the seat and the vibration from going over rough surfaces, like a cobbled or even dirt road. Can't have women enjoying themselves without men involved! :P
Wow. I wonder if the men actually believed that or if they just had so much hysteria about women being more independent that they made up the first garbage that popped into their head.
Girls who did not educate themselves on corsets, and have never worn one: corsets are horrible, torture device, sign of oppression etc. Same girls: *man I hate bras, I'm so happy when I can take it off at the end of the day. Look at those marks on my shoulders and below my boobs, HORRIBLE*
Bras stretch out too fast for most people to wear the right size for long even with a professional fitting. Most women can't afford to buy a new bra more than once or twice a year, and they often stop fitting right after 2-3 months. You can get a more expensive one that last a little longer, but that still means not getting another good fit as soon as the current one is wrong. Also, no bra can distribute weight well enough for someone with d cups or larger. The band is just going to be too thin even if it has 4 clasps.
@Diane Berg yeah, but that doesn't make bras torture devices. and just like bras corsets could be pretty uncomfortable, but still had a lot of benefits
Brack_86 if they can’t afford 50 quids for a new bra that doesn’t leave marks, "most women" have the wrong priorities (not saying that there are no people who actually have that little money- but that mindset of skimping in that department is what creates that problem)
Corsets are SO dangerous!!! Every single person who has worn a corset, made a corset or even looked at a corset have ultimately *died* or will eventually *die*.. Wont someone please think of the children.....
How true. It took me a while to convince a large busted lady to have a corset made rather than a bra, but when she did and I made one for her, she told me it was the first time in years she hadn't had backache.
I went on a full rant in a theatrical design class a few months ago about corsetry after we read a play set in the Victorian era and everybody kept saying they wanted this one character to wear a really tight corset to show how “restrictive” her lifestyle was. I fully went off on the historical corsetry rant and gave them a small lecture on the actual function of corsets in history. They were not appreciative but I had a good time.
The conversation is needed because ignorance isn’t excusable..it’s also very cringe when people especially certain actresses say “corsets are evil because they promote the patriarchy” it’s just screams how ignorant they are of reality and how very sheep minded they are
When I was about to turn 15 I went to go see the seamstress whom I was going to design my quinceañera dress with. She was incredible at her job and designed what I consider to be the most well-fitting and comfortable garment I own. Guess what? Since it was actually made to fit my body and waist, the heavy boning acted like a built-in corset that supported my back and chest throughout a whole 16 hours of partying, photoshoots, waltzing in *high* heels and a heavy ass dress with copious amounts of petticoats underneath. I was dancing like a goddamn maniac and had literally never felt that good in any clothes in my entire life. Bless corsets.
Honestly, that sounds frickin dope. I wish I could have some sort of cool party like that, but my mom is a huge tomboy, we don't celebrate birthdays traditionally, and I'd feel awkward. I'm so glad you had a good time. :)
@@zzdaweirdo1120 Aw, why not ask? Your mom probably fought gender expectations growing up; would she want you to have to conform to hers? Obvs no pressure from this randomer on the internet; I just think you should have the chance to have the sweet party you're wishing for!
@@clockworkkirlia7475 I mean, she has done a lot of cool and nice things for me, but I don't know, I'd feel kind of selfish if you know what I mean? But yeah, I'll ask. And I'm always open to advice (as long as it's not obviously stupid, of course.). :)
The dress must've been beautiful, and you must've looked beautiful too. I wanna try a fitted corset because 1. I always liked corsets, and 2. My b a c k. So Id love to experience it. Im happy you had so much fun. Corsets sound fun-
Since starting to wear a corset, I have finally lost weight, I walk up straight (I tend to hunch because of my height) and I feel confident. Haven't had any health problems, going into my 5th month and loving it.
@@conim9205 Watch the video and her other videos, she’s a good youtuber and I can recommend you other content if you’d like. This is a very unique historical period not only in terms of fashion but just because it was, as you said in your other comment, not as simple as one style. It was many, however corsets were used primarily during this time
I wear a corset to help with my "very severe" social anxiety. It's like a permanent hug and really does help. If anyone else has bad social anxiety/social phobia, try a corset. It's not a cure all, but it does help. :)
Sounds like a portable weighted blanket, great idea! I know you can get something similar for cats to reduce anxiety in situations like moving or traveling. Further proof cats are actually people.
Pros of quarantine: I stand on my balcony and yell about how corsets aren't devil sent torture devices and how stays ARE different from them, and none of my neighbours can escape me.
@@nafsi8519 TBH I have no problem with plastic surgery and I've considered a few things, at least passively. What I take issue with is the hypocrisy. There's an element of artifice in both and those that don't acknowledge it should give it more thought
@@cesar6447 the men made false information about corset for a century, it's not only feminist who sees corset as bad, if you keep telling people false information or lies they will start to believe it
@@seliamila1005 I only said that they made their part, you know this is one of those cases that feminist (on their ignorance) work together with the patriarchy. And you can't say that feminist weren't hating the corset for centuries.
Also worth noting: post pregnancy the skin on the lower abdomen is generally loose and floppy. Even today, most people will wear some kind of supportive garment so the sensitive skin isn’t swinging around( ie high waisted pants, a tight undershirt, a belly band). Corsets would help both to support the stomach during and after prenagancy
Didn't women even wear modified stays and corsets while they were pregnant? And like...humanity has since survived, so clearly the birthrate didn't drop off dramatically during that period of history--at least not for that reason, I would imagine
At the very beginning, the first few months of pregnancy you can loosen the lacing a bit as needed, when you had a baby bump, there were pregnancy corsets... no big deal
And that's why the Victorians had maternity corsets :). I have several living historian friends who have worn and LOVED them. We do the same things now, but don't use the dirty 'corset' word to describe our garments.
Kayleigh if women need to wear supportive garments after pregnancy for their belly fat how do obese people deal with theirs? Never heard of that before
"Because we like to feel superior over previous eras." This is so true. Though there are plenty of ways civilization has genuinely advanced, it does not mean that every practice of former times was barbaric. But you did add that. You included a lot of similar admissions at the end. Kudos for that. It shows how well researched and transparent this video was.
I'm a costume maker for stage and screen, I trained 30 years ago and learnt to make corsets for actors. Many opera singers love a corset because it is something to push against and helps voice control. I was curious, and I have always had heavy breast so I made myself a corset- I realised straight away that the briefing against corset had a different agenda, because despite restricting bending in the middle they are very comfortable if made for you. I have had underwired long line bras which are giving a very similar level of comfort.
As below jeans are the modern corset- I believe corsets became far more uncomfortable once whalebone was unavailable, it is a far better material for corsets- and still isn't matched by modern alternatives, when I made my corset I used whalebone from an old corset I bought at a jumble sale, so it is very comfortable.
Corset actually helps with singing, because it puts tension on the diaphragm, and you can always feel that you breathe the correct way. Many male opera singers used to hide leather belts behind the sashes for that same reason.
@@biot7175 it's not restrictive at all. It's tightening. Imagine bracer on the wrist, the way gymnasts use them. It is kind of the same thing. There are actually "bondages" you can buy to help you with right breathing while singing, which look like giant wrist bracers only for your mid-body area))) when I was in training it helped me a lot:)
Reminds me of a popular saying among some men now: “Women who wear makeup look tacky” *Looks at all the photos of women they say are “hot”, all wearing makeup* They just can’t tell
@@taritangeo4948 It gets worse when some of those same guys hate on women who act "masculine" (with things as simple has having a successful career instead of being a housewife). It's rather telling when someone mocks a demographic for filling stereotypes and at the same time derides them for deviating from those stereotypes. They view that demographic as simple and inferior, and are scared to be proven wrong. (Obligatory "not all men" disclaimer here. Just not worth the potential argument.)
I appreciate that they think that at some point we just evolved to look naturally perfect. Because I have no pores, bright red lips, perfect eyebrows and semi decent hair naturally.
As an equestrian (someone who rides horses) I can say corsets are very often used in equatation to help get points. There are even corsets made for riding horses.
This is why Belle in the Beauty and the beast live action had such a crappy yellow dress. Emma Watson said that corsets were "oppressive to women". Because she refused to wear a corset, the consume maker couldn't make her a beautiful and accurate dress.
I know right?! Belle's golden gown was one my favourites when I was a kid and was so excited about the live action movie but when I saw the yellow ball gown dress I just-
I don't think it's the lack of corset that made her ballgown look awful. It was the dress itself. Emma's village dress looked fantastic, and I doubt a pair of stays would've changed that. Yes, she was wrong about its status in society, considering the people who mainly made them were, but that was still a well atriculated (though misguided), valid reason not to want to have one - and it most likely wouldn't have been properly fitted, anyway.
@@Acidfrog475 yeah, but to think she followed the "no corsetry trope" thinking it was something back then, when it wasn't, was just awful and painful to watch. the movie is garbage itself, belle is so selfish... cmon, people in the vile DESTROYED her property. tf?
I'm a medieval weapons nerd, new here. Corsets seem to be a meme here, like armour in my community. So many misconceptions about them it's both hilarious and infuriating. After all, corsets and breastplates are similar : they don't bother you if properly fitted. Just like a corset will allow the breasts' weight to rest on the hips, a properly made cuirass will distribute the weight on the waist and shoulders allowing for good mobility despite being heavy.
Exactly. I had a misconception about armour also until I got some properly fitted, and once it was all on, you can barely tell and it is incredibly comfortable and easy to move in.
@@AlexJReil Come and join us sword wielding, armour wearing maniacs. You'll probably have a lot of fun, meet a fabulous community and if you don't you'll have learned a couple things at least. There are very informative channels on the topic here on TH-cam, the most famous ones being Skallagrim, Metatron, Shadiversity and Schola Gladiatoria (although this last one's got only videos that are a bit too specific if you aren't into historical weapons already). Just watch a few their videos,and the youtube algorythm will do its magic and recommend you plenty of excellent content on this weird passion.
I also think that the modern expectation of corsets being unbearably uncomfortable has led to film productions not bothering to make the corsets properly constructed, tailored, or worn. The response to someone not be able to breathe or feeling dizzy in a garment is to change something! Is it made properly? Is it fitting as it should? Is it laced too tightly? But those questions don't get asked because the expectation of everyone, including the actors suffering unnecessarily, is "Well, it's a corset, of course it feels awful."
@monny287 Or Lily James as Cinderella. It sounds like they were using the corset to make her waist as small as possible. No wonder she had trouble eating in that thing.
Not all of us do, I usually go for shoes that are immediately comfortable. Yes, I dress like a potato. But yes, breaking in shoes is something everyone if familiar with, and should be a quick way to make people being less judgemental about other items to wear
I think I might have some specific problem where it's always one spot that hurts when walking in a new pair of shoes, but it's not obvious at the first try, only after walking for a couple of minutes maybe. Well that sucks. I know it can't be helped with time, I know not _all_ shoes have that effect yet I get this "just gotta break in your shoes" excuse. My comfortable shoes felt that way from the start. Apparently walking through discomfort and pain is the norm, even though it can be avoided by getting better shoes...
"special cheers to films pretending corsets where worn on bare skin. In reality there was always a protective layer because people weren't dumb" Same with armor :D i feel your anger Addition by @Captain Ahab: For full plate armour you have an under layer of cloth or gamberson then you have mail then you have the plate
@@fakename3440 they believe it all the time and it makes us history nerds really mad. But tbh its a minor unconvenient, sure its a very common misinformation but its not as terrible wrong and as terrible defended as most other historic misconceptions. Its just silly
I was at a medieval fair, looking at corsets, lady selling em asked if I wanted to try one, bf at the time (now ex) asked something about them being super uncomfortable, lady said "then it was made wrong". Proceeded to fit me in a corset and damn if that thing wasn't super comfy AND smoothed out some lines very nicely
I wear corsets on occasion, and it really isn't any different from wearing high heels or underwire bras. People who aren't used to it find it uncomfortable and impossible ("How can you walk in those things?"), people who are used to it have no idea what you're talking about. So I'm sure some actresses thought they "couldn't breathe" in their corsets, just as many women "can't walk" in heels. They assume other people must find it as difficult as they do, and that we're suffering or something. EDIT: You'll notice a similar dynamic with men and neckties. Some men who never wear suits say they can't wear a tie because they feel like they're choking. Ask a guy who wears a suit to work every day, he never feels like he's "choking."
revelwoodie this is extremely accurate. I used to be able to run in stillettos. People would ask ‘omg how is that possible’ well maybe...I practiced? Like we all did to not be crawling on all fours now.
@@wmurd Well, I find both bras and high heels quite comfortable. To each his own, I suppose. And maybe high heels will be gone 100 years from now, who knows. But bras aren't going anywhere. Because if you're large breasted, nothing is more uncomfortable than NOT wearing a bra.
@@lth9520 Well, I've been wearing heels all my life, and my riding boots are actually the lowest heeled shoes I own, at about 1", maybe a little more. If I'm going to be on my feet all day, I keep it 3" or less. If I'm going out at night, I wear dancing shoes, usually about 2 1/2" with a broad heel, flexible soles and open toes. Truly high heels (4" or more) I reserve for occasions when I want to look great and won't be wearing them long, like going out to dinner. My feet are doing fine so far. But perhaps that's a matter of experience. I routinely see women wearing heels that are a poor choice for the situation (like closed toe pumps when they're going to be standing up a long time), or walking in heels improperly, like a seabird browsing a beach for clams. That's terrible for your back.
“Because we love to feel superior to the previous generations.” This comes up soooo often anytime you talk about history and politics. It’s very unfortunate, really.
I’ve said a few times “do you really think women would have worn corsetry (both stays and corsets) for 500 years if it was super painful and they couldn’t do anything but faint and die? Women still worked, ya know? If they were so painful and impractical, they wouldn’t have been worn (and certainly not by the working class!)”
@@TheOneGuy1111 And those people tend to forget inflation is a thing. I have seen so many people say, "Boomers had it so good, they could've afforded a Corvette in their teens and all they had to worry was gas going above a dollar." One, you can easily afford a Corvette these days late C3, C4, and C5 Corvettes are pretty cheap. No one normal had a new Corvette in their teens, that's just Hollywood wanting their character to seem cool. And finally, a dollar back then is close to 4 or 5 bucks today.
@@TheOneGuy1111 those people, whether consciously or subconsciously, want to uphold the societal values that would hold them over minorities. be wary of ANYONE who says they long for the actual social fabric of the 50s/60s/etc. wanting to live "the good ol' days" often means being able to be a horrible person in relative peace.
When she was talking about the drawings of women with tiny waists I immediately thought of Ariel from the little mermaid. Her waist is tiny but also she’s a DRAWING
"Ariel has unachievable beauty standards!" Right, like having a fish tail :''''((( I could never have a fish tail... smh cartoons aren't aLLOWed to be stylized
Random fact: Isabella II of Spain was stabbed by a revolutionary in 1852, but thanks to her heavy corset, she survived. So in this case, her corset literally saved her life.
@@zawarudo100 Ooooh, can ghosts interact with the mortal world, now? Also, please tell your ghost friends not to haunt me, I'm very easily scared and my dog won't stop barking at the wind and it's staring to get a bit annoying.
@@noel_is_notwell oh yes we have been interacting with the mortal world, I tried being friends with a few mortals but they ran away from me :'( also I will ask my friends to not trouble you and your dog :) 👍 they like having fun with mortals lol
Definitely one of the few silver linings to this awful pandemic situation imo. There's a kinship to be found in what earlier generations ultimately overcame, that their experiences in life were not totally different from ours even all this time and technological innovation later.
Well it’s easy to forget since people white people back then without hesitation or second though thought it was totally okay to make people who aren’t white they’re slaves just bcus....they weren’t white
I just saw a post on fb about the dangers of corsets and literally everyone was going on about how awful it was. Posted this video in the comments to hopefully educate people
I grew up watching a movie called Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I remember as a kid watching the special edition with interviews from the cast and all that, but I distinctly remember all the actresses saying how much they loved the corsets they had to wear, how they were great for posture, they were great bras, and how they wished they were still the norm.
That's so cool! I honestly didn't know guys could use them too before this video. I use my corset and in cant stress this enough THEY FEEL SO GOOD AND HELP DO MUCH! anyways how did you start using them and how do people in general see this? Thanks!
Guys' corsets went in and out of popularity, all the way through the early 20th century! They even had a solid comeback in the 1920s! You can see a fascinating article about them here from 1921: historyischic.blogspot.com/2018/07/corsets-for-men.html
@Tristan Tries You have to talk to your doctor. I'm sure wearing it for short periods would be fine, but it could weaken his muscles such that he could have future problems. Sort of like "it feels better if I just sit in this comfy chair all day" vs "get out and walk even if it hurts".
They would probably apply some weird heavy make up to make their eyes look big and will get shamed by men bc MaKeuP iS dAngEroUs hOw DiD thEy LivE bAcK tHeN
It was a balancing act, more coverage means more is proeected, but more armor means it is heavy and the few weak spots it leaves get easyer to exploit. The all plate armor everyone pictures realy was not that commen
@@faraway-2009 and that's what happened when bras came along eventually, women finally got around to making something better. My argument still stands.
"Why would anyone want to live with a rodent in their hair?" Better question yet: why would rodents want to live in your hair? It's unstable, very exposed and with no easy access to food. Rodents aren't stupid.
When I was in theatre school someone told me that when you’re fitted for a corset you should take in a deep breath so you know you have room to breath. I wonder if these actresses made the mistake of sucking in when they were fitted.
sorry if this came off a little agressive! I'm just really tired of all the corset-shaming and misinformation. it seems that no matter how many videos I make on the topic, or how many times I try to suggest to people that they may be repeating a myth, it doesn't do much. I hope that history of corsetry gets more academic attention, especially from scholars involved in medicine! if you're working on corset history related research or project, please link it here in the comments!
Karolina Żebrowska hopefully I’m one of the reply’s thats up there
Hi meme mom
No-no! This was AWESOME!
I absolutely adore corsets. They can actually be extremely comfortable.
Karolina Zebrowska its in v early stages but i could link the doc 🤷🏻♀️
"Why would anyone want to live with a rodent in their hair?"
Because I want to cook. Duh.
LINGUINI!!
Hahaaaaaaa
I get that reference.
Lmao
@@doubleh3085 yeah me too
people tend to forget that most paintings have this amazing filter called "I pay you for that portrait"
That's a funny comment and I don't know jack shit about corsets. 😆😆
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Hahahahhaha
That's my favorite filter!
Mic drop.
If you put on a corset, look in the mirror and say "corset" 3 times in a row, it will mysteriously tighten on its own and suffocate you.
wait that's really creepy
Im gonna make a corset and try it.
Lol. That's funny. 🤣🤣🤣
That's a good one.
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I'll personally never forget a woman I worked with at a renaissance faire who somehow, by some bizarre grace of god, jumped a fence in a corset, hoop skirt, and high heels with no problem. She still terrifies me
she was wonder woman lol xD
That's really funny af 😂
BAHAHHAHSHS
When I read "corset" I barely batted an eye, but when it was followed by "hoop skirt" I'm like, "I'm sorry what???"
Where do I start in explaining that people walk around with pretty destroyed mental health and even physical health and still look highly functional? 😂
I do think it's kind of amazing yet it's kind of also not the type of resilience you want people to have to have. Ofcourse that example is in good fun. But I'd like us to be careful both ways. Corsets are tools like any other. Having pros and cons like any other, being good AND bad relatively to their utilisation!
These actresses just need to modify what they say: "I can't breathe because I was given a *BADLY FITTED AND INCORRECTLY MADE* corset"
Sophia Neilsson this!!!
But then they will get slapped by costume department
Yup! The problem isn't the corsets themselves, it's Hollywood's fn behavior towards actors, particularly the often extremely harmful means of sexualizing them, both women and men! Look at the dehydration they have their actors go through before filming, especially on shirtless scenes. They often have to dehydrate for three or more days to achieve that toned look! So honestly, if Hollywood's version of _anything_ is harmful? It's because they care more about sex appeal then safety. On this note, it's probably not even the costume designer's fault!
@@hyperfox0934 agree 100%!! It's really sad that they put these people through that. I actually find dehydrated people unattractive.
@@hyperfox0934 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 AMEN. I think Karolina said it in another video but having actresses complain about "enduring" corsets is almost a staple of the movie circuit to show how "dedicated" they are. Honestly!!! Saying all women tight-laced is like saying all women now wear 8-inch stilettos every day; no doubt some do, but saying that all women do just because fashion photos show it would be a basic & wildky incorrect extrapolation error.
louder: CORSETS ARE TYPICALLY SAFE when used correctly-- safer than most high heeled shoes actually
@S L I don't care about any waves... But I think you raise good points. This whole thing certainly doesn't seem black-and-white and it's good to have different points of view.
@S L literally corsets are??? Just another form of undergarment??? Corsets can be co-opted and fetishized and taken too far because literally anything women wear under patriarchy can, but corsets can also just be practical. They're designed to support the torso and breasts (and frankly do the job better than modern bras especially for folks with larger breasts, since supporting all that weight from shoulder straps can be really bad for your back).
There's the double edged sword where men demand a certain figure from women but also mock them for their attempts to reach that figure rather than just naturally having a wasp waist. Like how nowadays men will mock women who are too "obviously" wearing makeup but still want women's faces to appear in a way that most can only achieve with makeup.
The most prominent examples of corsets being taken "too far" and "male gaze-y" are also basically all from the wealthy and upper classes. Wealthy Victorian women had the privilege to not have to do strenuous work and were therefore able to go absolutely bananas with their corsets. Working class women still wore corsets though just like a modern working women would still wear a bra- they wanted their boobs to be supported. They didn't do it to appeal to the "male gaze", they did it because they didn't want their breasts bouncing painfully around and stuff. It's pretty narrow-sighted to define the use of corsetry only by what the wealthiest and most privileged people did with it.
@S L corsets were not ment for women to look pretty for men, they are the same as bras, are you dumb or you didn't understand the video?
Thats not a good argument. High heels are terrible for you. Thats like saying smoking is safe because it's healthier than heroin
@@verybarebones I wasn't saying high heels were great, I wasn't saying they were bad either. I was just stating that corsets, when worn correctly, seem safer than tall high heels. A lot of the celebrities complaining about the corsets they had to wear, all wear heels. Just an analysis.
"i mean, realistically, why would anyone want to live with a rodent in their hair if they could easily avoid it?"
what if the rodent is helping you cook for a high-end restaurant and controlling all of your motions? ever think about that?
REMI!
"THERE'S A RAT!!"
"It's a mouse."
*slow clap*
groovytunesday this is easily the best comment 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao 🤣
My wedding dress required a light type of corset underneath. Turns out many of them do. It wasn't bad at all. You know what was painful? The high heels.
I believe heels are more of a danger than a corset, to be honest.
@@vaporean_boylove.0w083 yh actually heels are actually quite a bit dangerous when worn regularly long term because it changes the way your body has to walk and increases the force exerted by your body on the ground due to decreased surface area of the sole of your foot. Apparently long term use can increase chance of arthritis in the spine or knees or lower down the foot. Why I try to only wear them on occasion:)
I once wore shoes that had a tiny bit of heal like maybe 2cm?? Wore em for an hour and was already sick of them.
High heels are torture devices!
@@pleasedontlookforme8036 i wore heels (more or less high) on a daily basis and i like it . i have to agree that yes it create back pain but i also think that heels has to have a good grap over the ankles for it to be more confortable and to walk more safly. i'm not saying "heels are a good things" no i'm just saying how i feel about it: i like it even if it's not healthy but it's just a personnal preference for my outfit.
and don't even think about running on high and thin heels
I wore a corset for a production and I was able to fight, sing, dance, get yeeted into the air, make out with someone and get brutality murdered. All in a corset.
'get yeeted into the air' That must have been a really fun play.
Are you sure it wasn't the corset that brutally murdered you?
To be fair, considering the tight fabric and reinforcement, it's probable the thing the corset was most restricting was the murdering x)
The corset probably murdered your character then yeeted your character in the air
What show?
"why do modern actresses complain abt corsets?"
poor corsetry jobs and not wearing a layer of clothing underneath?
There wasn't a instruction sheet, how could they now? 👀💅
*sarcasm 100*
very true!
PREACH sis
@@kalciumsthename I love that you had to clarify that it was sarcasm bc we all know some people are just straight stupid
@@kalciumsthename We all know if the instructions dont have pictures, they cant read it😂
Sarcasm 100 x2
Me, who has severe scoliosis and wears a corset to help back pain: Ah yes, my favorite torture device
Sorry to hear that
Hope you get better
OMG SAME! Dont have one yet but ill probably need one somehow soon anyways
@@nineten9011 It doesnt-
Same!
Is like compare vaping with an inhaler, is not Even close but go ahead and use a regular corset instead of the medical one
“We like to feel superior over previous eras.”
That is one phenomenal quote.
The best part is that the average person is now dumber today, since our prefrontal cortex has been shrinking hehe
@@BrainIroner Since our teacher like to teach more about their personal love live and lgbtq then stuff you actually need in life unlike in the 1950's
@@tiagomonteiro130 take your meds
before you put yourself above the generations before you, keep in mind that every other generation before and after you have said the exact same things about the generation before them. There is good and bad in every era of humanity
Yes! That's why most people believe the myths about the medieval period.
Imagine someone looking at fashion drawings from 21st century in 200 years and thinking everyone now had 3 metre legs.
OMG 😂😂😂
so true
Imagine people looking at anime pictures
That feel when some high-fashion illustrations have legs thin as sticks and three times the length of the torso lol Slenderman be shoppin'
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 lool slenderman
Meme mom out here with the historically correct hot takes
This channel in a sentence. Bravo.
@@digital.hamaki I'm feeling incredibly validated and super glad I have a video to point people to when they start talking about "the dangers of corsets"
yas
Thank you! Very interesting. Armor was also tailored to fit perfectly. It was a common misconception that knights could not move in full plate armor. This notion was equally wrong and entrenched in 19th century mythology. The analogy is remarkable. I appreciate your research and smart, nuanced analysis! Your medical points are also appreciated and acurate. I agree it would be great if there was more medical history research on this topic.
I find the analogy very apt as well! Everyone forgets that knights were championship athletes as well as walking (and running and riding and leaping and fighting) tanks.
@@clockworkkirlia7475 Oh man, you made me think of something. A scene where knights in full body armor just charging through the ranks of enemies like rhinos
You’ve made me want to see a bunch of Knights wearing well fitted armor playing touch football against a bunch of women wearing well fitted corsets. Just to prove all the dumbasses wrong.
@@phyokyawkhaing2251 That was sort of their job, yes! Usually on horseback, sure, but yes!
@@MamaMOB The one issue there being that the knights' team would be *ludicrously* expensive to equip, alas...
To be fair to all the actresses badmouthing corsets over the years, I don’t think they’re lying. After all costume designers very rarely give actresses stays or shifts to wear, they often just expect these ladies to wear corsets on bare skin, not to mention depending on the money in the production the actress might have to squeeze into a costume that isn’t fitted right at all, so with that in mind it doesn’t surprise me at all that a lot of actresses see them as unpleasant things to wear.
I mean kim kardashian had hers sewn onto her - so you could only imagine the difference between then and now.
@The Owl Lady that's really discriminatory to say. Enough with the hating on wealthy just because they have money. So what if that's the case, no reason to dump on them or not have sympathy. It just negates all their money anyway and they'd be left iwth nothing - and that's not fair to the individual. You may not like what I say, but I stand by it.
@The Owl Lady Oh I agree they earn way to much money, but that's not the point I was making. I know people who have worked in costume design for a living, and trust me, there are plenty of examples in film and television of rushed productions where the actress or actor had to be uncomfortable in a costume because they didn't have the time or money to make the proper adjustments. Most costumes on screen are made to look pretty to the audience, not to be something the actors can wear on a daily basis. A perfect example of this is superhero movies, every single one has stories from actors and actresses about how uncomfortable and sometimes painful a lot of these costumes were to wear. Chadwick Bosman and Scarlet Johanssen both talked about how their Black Panther and Black Widow costumes were so hot that there were times while shooting where both actors found it difficult to breath properly. But they put up with it, because like you said, they are getting paid a lot.
@theowllady7381 So why are you siding with the producers that are happy to cut corners wherever possible, and earn more money than you will in 1000 years?
Well, corset design is critical. A badly designed corset really could be a torture device. I would assume that most movie costuming designers don't particularly have expertise in this area. Most common bad effect from a badly made corset would be too much pressure on the kidneys due to poor design. But I mean, if you used piano wire as a seatbelt in a car, that wouldn't turn out very well either. 99% of modern corsets are not real corsets, they're lingerie made to look like a corset, while embodying very little of the structural engineering, and none of the fitting. A "real" corset unfortunately starts at well over $500, and would be custom fitted to suit a long list of your personal measurements.
A real corset doesn't need much to be comfortable. Considering the cost, you'll probably want it made from a very durable material though (like cotton duck). So it's a bit abrasive. A liner (jersey knit like a t-shirt is great) worn under the corset instantly transforms it into being very comfortable though. I've actually used a cheap tshirt or cami as a liner, works great. A soft linen or cotton is probably the traditional liner. Could silk-line the corset, but I think it's better to have an easily washable separate liner.
A $99 "corset" (and i use that term loosely) from a chain store, is really just costume-wear, and should never be laced tightly enough to offer any support. I assume that's what movie sets use mostly.
In 100 years, movies portraying characters from our era: "The skinny jeans literally made me faint."
Underrated
More realistic lol, having worn both I can say skinny jeans are more annoying
Not to mention skinny jeans have caused me severe lower back pain within 2 minutes of ever trying to wear them. I avoid those things like the plague.
Honestly I would rather believe that, than a corset making the actress faint :D
@@princesseuphemia1007 how the actual fuck women wear anything skinny like skinny jeans or yoga pants I genuinely cannot understand
The girl that was weight lifting in a corset and a dress is honestly so badass
Made me think wearing a corset is perfect for weightlifting because it corrects your posture it might even prevent injuries
@@phosphenevision true
@@phosphenevision it is true, i wear corset for that reason. And believe me, hip thrust become more easier if you wear corset.
@@whinecatto *easier
more easier is incorrect
fix it
your meant to wear a special belt for weight lifting anyway, the corset does the exact same thing
Funfact: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart had severe acne but on portrais flawless skin. That‘s because he told the painter he doesn‘t want his pimpels in the picture
@Haha Mouse Exactly! They were masters of photoshop xD
Didn't he have smallpox when he was young, which leaves severe scarring?
@@jumhed994 yup
Damn I have never seen someone say Mozart's full name . I only read the name in articles
@@rimjhimdhusiya699 actually that's the shortened version. The his FULL name is actually *Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart*
So, I used to compete in powerlifting. For really heavy lifts, you put on a very wide, very tight weightlifting belt. It gives your core something to press against as you lift and provides stability. Having worn corsets for costumes in the past, it strikes me just now how similar the two items are.
whoa. didnt think to compare the two. whoa
Probably not the same, but when I have something tight around my body, I feel instant relief from my back pain. It's slight and always present, so absence of pain is a pleasure by itself)
@@Sasha-zw9ss Corsets are actually used for correcting the spine on children and teenagers while the bones are still malleable enough so that people don't develop permanent scoliosis and kyphosis that is impossible to correct as adults. It's basically the same procedure like using braces for correcting teeth.
If done right, it supports optimal posture so it's obviously important that it fits the person that it wears.
I do remember reading of a case from the 1880s when an attempted murder was only an attempted murder because the whale bone corset stopped the bullet.
Several cases in fact!
One women was stabbed like 8 times in the back, but her corset saved her.
That happened in enola holmes lol
@@auronnyagangopadhyay7104 it was a armor chestplate that stopped the bullet in enola holmes
@@Kiara-jk2fi ya sorry I got confused. the corset saved her from a knife
@@auronnyagangopadhyay7104 oh its okay
I have a terrible scoliosis and my corset helps me a lot and reduces the pain.
Good point
i was thinking about that , i have back problems too
I had one of those hard plastic ones as a kid and kinda miss it lol.
Hope your okay!
Is it different from back braces? Those really hard plastic braces to straighten the back? That was a nightmare, i wore it 24 hours a day for 2 years and i would get bruises, besides the bullying. But i guess its diferent from corsets because braces do the exact opposite. They have "cushions" pushing the parts of the spine that are curvy (also have scoliosis). And now, years later, doctors tell me that that kind of treatment is arcaic, and actually made my spine get even more fucked up, because my muscles were so weak from not having to work (the braces did all the work) that when i stopped wearing them the curve "grew" like crazy. Anyway, dont know why i wrote such a long comment lol. I guess im just interested to know if a corset, worn daily, would also make your muscles weak, tho i suppose its not a huge problem for people with straight spines
Drag queens in corset: *do a backward hand spring into the split
Actresses in corset: *enters vegetative state
This made me laugh so much 😂
@@AB-tg6rc you my friend, have my attention
I’ve done multiple back flips in a corset the only thing I regret is the quart of lemonade I had right before that
Hi Hi you have my attention
@@catwithinternet4625 wow, I can't even do that in normal/sporty clothes
You know what this reminds me of? People saying they can't move in historical armor. They often ignore the padding, are working in very hot conditions, and don't bother to train themselves to get used to the weight. That's why soldiers for 2000 years run with backpacks; it's how you get used to it. It's like breaking in a shoe; it's not going to feel right until you've gone for a few hours walking. Meanwhile there's videos of people doing flips in mail and handstands in plate.
The best answer I can think of to anyone that believes armor to be super clunky is to send them the TH-cam video titled "Knights in Gym"
Those guys move around in their armor way better than the average overweight out of shaper naysayer.
True, but it gets really hot underneath and you need to stay away from water, so some of the disadvantages of full armor is actually true. It's also the reason they had more bulky horses back then than the more slim horses used today for riding. They had to carry all that weight on top of own body armor. That's also why the depictions of medieval horses in almost all movies are simply wrong.
@@Asto508The weight of heavy full-plate armor is around 20-30 kg. That is actually same as weight of full equipment (backpack, heavy bulletproof armor and etc.) of modern soldier. So it is heavy, but nothing like "unbearable heavy" - for horse it is even less essential
True
Also if armor was too heavy then people would not have used it. The fact it's so widely used and seen almost everywhere in the ancient world is proof of how good it was.
Modern media: corsets are the patriarchy
Fashion Historians: not wearing corsets are the patriarchy
@braden7180That's about the only thing women can do well without any help; blame men.
@@MEPHISTOPHELESw men also help with that
Its actually the feminism
@@MEPHISTOPHELESw
I have taught myself art and calligraphy, free of teachers or tips save for the occasional tutorial video when I'm confused.
I'm 13 years old, and I have written 75 original characters, developed a planet, created a language, and can write better than an awful lot of people where I live.
I can recognise the fashions of any year in the Victorian era, and I'm learning how to sew so I can make decent vintage outfits.
What have you done, at prossibly much older than me? Sit in your parents' basement, with the broken down computer they bought you, eating industry-fed chips and ranting about women because, for some god-forsaken reason, none of them would date your neckbearded, pedophile-looking face?
No one can truly live without help. Shut your fucking mouth and talk once you have something meaningful to say.
@@urdadsleftasshole69 Ah, yes. Art and writing, the two most useless "talents" of the modern age. The time of great works of art and literature are long passed and all already achieved by some long dead dude. Your online roleplays aren't achievements, kiddo. Even then, I doubt all your claims including your age. Though, that one I don't really care for you to prove.
Considering you're not full of shit (and you probably are), I'm 10 years older than you and have experience across multiple duty stations (Currently serving in the Honor Guard), overseas experience, several military commendations and certifications (ARCOM, Air Assault, etc), competed nationally in grappling, certified by the Cambridge AICE program and have BA in Engineering and Mathematics from UF.
Throughout all of this, especially the military, I've seen nothing but inadequacy at worst and mediocrity at best from my female "peers". Though, that's likely because I'm infantry MOS.
I'd tell you to add me on snapchat so I can clown you for being so pathetically cringy and probably looking like a furbie but I don't associate with children like that.
Tell your mom to add me, she's more my speed.
Lol, you people and your basement neck beard fetish; unbelievable.
Best of luck to you, "artist". I hope you don't grow up to utilize all the crutches in place for women and actually accomplish something worthwhile in this world.
As a modern artist that's not very likely....but you can try.
My advice, don't take yourself too seriously and marry up. I can guarantee you we're about to have a culture shift soon that won't benefit the attitude you're adopting.
In the future: Bras. Can't breatheeee and moveee.
I can see that happening 😅
Wore a 21st century bra: Destroyed my breasts and pinched my lungs and heart.
HOW DID THEY SURVIVE IN THAT!?
I hate bras :D the only reason I wear it when I go out is that going braless is not socially acceptable
We can only hope. Just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's not stupid.
I agree that bras can be uncomfortable🙃but for someone like me who has a very large chest size, it ends up being waayyy more uncomfortable for me in the end if I don’t wear any support at all. In fact I wish I had something with even more support than a bra cause it is not enough.
Trained opera singer here! Fun fact - singing in a corset is AMAZING.
When you sing, you rely on something called your support, which is the tension caused by simultaneously pressing out with and in on your diaphragm. Corsets let you cheat because they provide some of the pressure in on your diaphragm! I jump at the chance to sing in a corset, even if it isn't period appropriate!
(Hide it under a T-shirt lol no one can see it then)
Girl same! ( sort of) I was in a madrigal choir in high school and my costume had a plastic boned corset. I loved it! I was so much more comfortable on stage and my support was way better than it used to be. I hated giving it up at the end of the year!
I was wondering about that when she mentioned it! Literally thought to myself "Huh, that might actually help with breath support and core engagement." Gotta get the diaphragm workin'!
Damn good to know :0
That's so cool! Always wondered about this, I'm actually happy the corset helps
I wanted to use your arguments in my final graduation paper for fashion school. You cannot imagine the backlash I got from my history teacher, that none of my arguments were valid (so I wasn’t actually allowed to use them) and that all women were terribly oppressed up until the 1960s. The extent of arrogance to believe that every single generation before us was inferior to us is just fucking embarrassing.
I told my social studies teacher that water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas when they (they were extremely liberal) made the whole class look at me, because she wanted to portray it as CO2. History teachers am I right? My biology teacher said that dogs have no emotions and lobsters can't feel pain - as a way to justify experimenting on them! They at least recognized there was something going on. I mean if you don't really know or think they can't, why risk it in case they can?
Ughh I would have felt so frustrated!
@@extropiantranshuman WHAT?!!! WHO SAYS THAT ABOUT DOGS?! I have seen dogs wagging their tails furiously and whimpering with excitement whenever their owners come home! I’ve seen a dog leap into its owner’s arms when they finally came home from military service. I’ve seen a dog spin around and bark to get their owner to throw a ball!
If someone says that dogs don’t feel emotions, then either they’ve never met a dog or they’re lying!
@@dragonsword8129 those who don't want to give rights to animals and use just about every justification to harm them are the ones that deny animal existences of saying they aren't intelligent, emotional, etc.
Did you not read what I said? They would break arms of lobsters and said there's no emotions yet they knew what was happening. People like my teacher just want any excuse they can get for their wrongdoing and getting everyone to accept it.
@@extropiantranshuman I read that part. But as an animal lover who has owned dogs, I couldn’t resist going on a rant anyway. I was rhetorically asking at the beginning of my reply while trying vent my anger.
It shocks me that someone would even try to say a lie like that. Dogs are one of the most popular pets out there, which means that there’s a whole lot of people who won’t buy that claim for even a second.
actresses wearing corsets: "the corset gave me stomach cancer and i still can't breathe because of it"
real people wearing corsets: "wow this really helps my back"
To be fair, those actresses are likely wearing tight laced corsets that are more designed to look good than feel good. Whereas women who actually wore/wear corsets on a regular basis didn’t have them ridiculously tight laced.
I do think there’s a lot of exaggeration but I also know that, historically, female actresses are often mistreated or pressured by directors to do things that are harmful or uncomfortable just to achieve a desired “look”.
Tbh if a corset is gonna help my back I might try it-
【ღMoon Lightღ】 EHWGWFWFW sAmE
My dad was recommended a corset or back brace for his back problums
YES 👏🏾 I tried one on at a corset shop & not only was it comfortable, I could still breathe, move, sit & it made my posture better. Once you get used to wearing it for a few minutes, it's freaking awesome.
I wore a corset and my firstborn died in an earthquake, my crops all shriveled up and died, and my husband left me for a brick :(
i wore a corset and my entire family and I died of cancer, tuberculosis, diabetes, and organs falling out of our butts... :(
the stories of you guys are so sad:(, corsets are evil and will kill the family and ruin the lives of those who wear it...
Attention: If you or a loved one has been affected by corsets, you may be entitled to financial compensation.
That brick is a home-wrecking harlot
Loooool
"People were always people" is a lot deeper than it sounds. Let it sink in for a bit...
This makes me think of a line from Emerson that society is a wave: it moves forward but the water stays the same (i.e. the world advances and changes, but people remain the same)
I cannot count how many times I have said those exact same words to people when I talk about anything historical!!!! 🙄
@bishes be mad True. There's good people and there's bad people and it'll always be that way. No matter where you are in the world or what year it is, there's kind and helpful people, but there will always be bad seeds lurking about and some in broad daylight, waiting to ruin other peoples lives. Humans will always be divided and there will always be conflict. Humans are beings of conflict, even the nice ones can be.
As a heavy breasted woman with literal grooves in my shoulders from wearing bras, I thank you! I wish I could find/afford a real, well-fitted corset. My shoulders would be very grateful.
I created a bra taht could replace the modern one as well as a corset - and I'm heavy too. I'd prototype it if I had the money and resources. I guess if you or someone else does - they can contact me for the design.
@@thotslayer9914 down bad
@@extropiantranshuman this sounds like a sneaky way to get women to send you breast descriptions/photos tbh
I ended up making my own because I struggle with the same problems! Even nerve damage from the weight put on the bra straps. It is 100% worth the money, the time, the effort. My back has never felt better
Why the heck is this recommended to me, I’m a man who has no interest in fashion or corsets. That being said, I did watch the whole video, and it was way more interesting than I would have thought, but I’m so confused why it was recommended. This was genuinely one of the most interesting videos I’ve watched in a while.
Edit: Hello everyone, my girlfriend has issues with back pain and I remembered this video talking about how corsets could help and was wondering if anyone knew of any good websites for buying corsets? I hope the TH-cam community can help with this lol.
Now you should Praise the Almighty Algorithm. I for myself think it got recommended cause I watch a lot of historical channels (and I blame Metatron for introducing me to his gilfriend's channel about historical makeup styles - there may be connection there).
@@CptBilsn that’s probably what did it, that makes sense. Also praise the almighty algorithm.
All hail the mighty algorithm
I'm not super into history stuff except for things like this--how people actually lived their lives. So clothing and food history is fascinating to me. I highly recommend Townsends (mostly about colonial America and they do things other than food) and also Tasting History (about any part of the world he can get records for in all time periods) for historical food. I'm blanking on historical fashion channels right now though. Overly Sarcastic Productions is also fun for general history and mythology/folklore/literature
the algorithm felt your soul and said here you need this
honestly?? our modern plastic surgery industry is WAYYYY scarier and more harmful and actually dystopic and legitimately deadly, but yall aint ready for that conversation
Hey. Women do that to feel more confident about themselves, not for someone else. And those who do...well it's their choice. What is conditioning? 🤔 No there's no way our opinions and behaviour is learned or imposed. Don't be insecure, just be born perfect. M'lady.
*EDIT* MY COMMENT WAS SARCASTIC APPARENTLY THAT _HAS_ TO BE SAID NO OTHER WAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE TRULY DO LIVE IN A SOCIETY POE'S LAW ANYONE?
Anyway I'm more sceptical than passionately against plastic surgery, I just think the idea that it's _entirely_ their choice and there's not a million factors affecting their decisions is utter bullshit. And that includes marketing too. _And_ wearing uncomfortable clothes "because fashion".
@@aliveslice OP never implied otherwise - but how extensive and normalised it is to be unhappy with your natural appearance in certain countries e.g. South Korea is the exact opposite of empowerment.
@@222o-u3t overrun edit: I was sarcastic but it wasn't obvious including this reply.
@@aliveslice I'm not quite sure where they were being sarcastic, could you explain?
mental she mentions that the problem is the industry, not the patients. The same way that the make up industry is harmful because both industries have shaped the narration to be that they’re encourage individuality and empowerment and self expression but ignore how they function almost completely in a capitalistic manner
Make up companies aren’t above using women and even children’s insecurities against them, just as the plastic surgery industry won’t fully tell you the risk of certain procedures because it’s against their best interest of you decide the risks are too high.
Basically these two industries are capitalist and businesses FIRST. They are not above gaslighting and manipulating their target consumers into supporting them and unfortunately they’ve been doing that far aggressively now than before and even worse, they do it under the guise of “self expression”
Not saying that make up or plastic surgery is inherently wrong/evil. Not at all. It’s that we need to take everything they offer with handfuls of salt and recognize that what they’re offering isnt inherently good either
This goes for a lot of things. Like Company’s that are trying to be woke but are actually just capitalizing on social and human rights issues eg clothing companies trying to capitalize on the lgbt flag design when they’ve never showed an inkling of support before and after. Disney is a huge culprit in this too
Also Victorian-era people: This cocaine will be an excellent addition to children's cough syrup
Wait, wtf?😅
BASEDelz LMAO
Cocaine was an effective pain killer in liquid form. Powder form, though...
Same with opium. Liquid form, effective pain killer. Having it smoked? Major addiction.
@@blacktigerpaw1 liquid cocaine is usually in gasoline lol
My favorit thing is arsen green, it is so pretty, it colord dresses, and wallpaper oh so vibrant and deadly ^^
My first time wearing a corset I thought I was doing something wrong when it didn’t cause me to be incapable of anything besides just walking around. And that’s when I did research and was shocked to learn..... that was normal.
SAME and so much more supportive than a bra...which are honestly so much more uncomfortable
"Corsets squish your ribs" is a proclamation from the same school of thought as "you can't mount a horse in plate armor".
I absolutely love the point you made about how future generations love to assume the people of the past were stupid and dirty in order to emphasize our progress (not to mention most history in general is written by men). I think we often get caught up in these sensationalized beliefs that ALL WOMEN HAVE SUFFERED FOREVER BECAUSE THEYRE VAIN, rather than examining that most women made clothes FOR women, meant to be worn practically in the eras they lived in. Woman had the same bodies and biological needs then that they do now... it’s common sense to design clothing that caters to that.
True. But some women have suffered at some times because they're vain. Source: I've worn some truly annoying/uncomfortable/painful things to look hawt. Then I got older and decided it wasn't worth it, I'd rather be comfortable and look just...nice. Presentable.
AbigailR84 oh absolutely, myself included. But to base women’s entire fashion on that alone just ends up sounding really insulting. Men have worn some pretty ridiculous things throughout history too, but that’s not what they’re remembered for 🤷🏼♀️
But I also don't accept the argument that something couldn't be bad because it was popular and so many women did it. Look at foot binding in China - that went on for centuries and basically involved breaking the bones in girls feet, repeatedly for years. And look at female genital mutilation which still continues today. In Egypt, 90% of women have been victims of this practice! Since so many women are inflicting this on their daughters, does that mean it's fine because they wouldn't do it if it were so bad?
Throughout history, women have endured extreme pain and sometimes mutilation in order to fit in to society. Because they did it, doesn't make it ok.
@@chrisfarmer6893 that was only for upper to high class women in China, and in addition, yes you're right about the pain and mutilation but women were put through that to please men. To be dependent on men. To be seen as beautiful and useful to men. Men made those standards and then complained when they got what they insisted on. Women just tried to succeed however they could. Often by being shit mothers who cut up their daughters to be more digestible to men.
However corsetry patently doesn't have those nasty side-effects unless you get pretty deep into tightlacing, so what's the point here?
Corsets have also been used to correct and support scoliosis patients, gals with EDS, and several other health conditions. Clearly it has done as much good as harm.
@@L_MarienneSeeley I agree corsets do not compare to those other examples as far as harm. My point is just that I do not accept that because a practice was widespread, means it must not be harmful. Something can be very common and also very damaging. I think the more convincing evidence mentioned in the video, comes from the modern day re-enactors, opera singers, and others who use corsets today and can give a fair review.
Karolina: *mentions that corsets help with breast weight & may help back pain*
Me: (large chested w/ chronic back pain) 🤔 Perhaps I ought to invest in one...
Theres some type of brace for people with scoliosis. Something like that I guess would work 👌🏼
Do not forget to do sports as well though.
I somewhat missed in this video, that supporting your back also weakens your muscles in the long run. So, you need to make use of both: corset and sports.
Unless of course you already work in the fields and carry water buckets on your shoulders all day long.
(Which is something the author of the video does not do either, and then proceeds to say how she can't touch her toes.)
Do use it, but do not misuse it.
@@rjtp2552 scoliosis braces are meant to bend a curved spine back into place as a person is still growing (teens). It's why many public middle/jr highs do checks for scoliosis. It can only be corrected non invasively while you're still growing.
I'm imagining this girl's back problems are not due to a bent spine so she really doesn't want a scoliosis brace.
But they do make lots of different types of back braces. I wear one to support my lower back sometimes. It's pretty small. There are full body models too. All sorts of things can be helped with the right type of pressure or support.
@@SoulDevoured Damn, I need that tbh 😍
@Rhese Avallone I actually don't wear a bra at all because of this. Boobs are squishy and soft. A normal bra can't fit in a perfect way while the ricage, Spine and so on make the underbreast and Tummy area stable and when you du sports also strong. So a corset could fit perfect.
I’ll give the actresses a pass, we should really be mad at the costume designers for making it such an uncomfortable experience for them.
yeah I really don't blame any actresses who answer honestly about their experiences with corsets, especially as it was given to them by a costume professional so most of them would assume that they are being given the best corset available. I had to wear a badly fitted corset for 8 hours a day for weeks without breaking it in, I'd think they were the worst thing in the world as well
Also in Lily James's case, her waist in the Cinderella dress looks so small that unless they enhanced it with special effects, she most likely was indeed tightlaced.
Why is it so hard to fit it correctly and give time to break it in
@@beeclan50 I don't know the actual answer, but I suspect that it's cause every body is different. It's like getting a new shoe, the shoe is technically your size but it doesn't quite fit until you break them in.
@@hawkins347 about that , the actress already has a small waist . She indeed did wear a corset but I don't think she was thighlace cuz the gown creates an illusion because the skirt is voluminous and the top portion is big too. Since the top and bottom are huge it creates an illusion of a smaller waist 😄.
My mom thinks a corset would kill me but as someone who wants to be a fashion historian one day, my mom doesn’t know the real history, myths, facts and all that it really isn’t that dangerous if you wear the corset properly and with a protective layer
Wait, so thinking that corsets are bad and a sign of patriarchy... is actually what the patriarchy wants you to think!?
Damn, plot twist of the century.
Mind blown
senselees but that´s what funfems do
What's also funny is that 2nd(?i think) wave feminists wanted women to be seen as sexy and powerful and now modernly the corset and it's current equivalent is worn by the sexiest powerful women.
I'm pretty sure that these young starlets and attractive women are exactly what the patriarchy hates most.
@@InternetMameluq i doubt it, seeing how insider side of hollywood works.
I don't know why, but this video makes me want to wear a corset.
Hmm, it might be kind of hard for a baguette to wear a corset, but you could give it a try.
Try it my baguette friend
I don’t recommend it unless you want your insides spilled
@@waitwhat959 I'm wearing one right now
@@waitwhat959 My insides aren't spilled and I'm wearing one rn...
When I hear people talking about or see articles on how horrible corsets supposedly are, my mind always goes to drag queens. Corsets and padding are a huge part of drag, and have been for decades, and if you know anything about drag then you know that they're not just standing there on stage and fainting. If drag queens can dance and perform for hours in corsets, are they really these killer torture devices that they're always depicted as?
so true!
And big heels too!
@@_blank-_ If they function in an "over-the-top" performance, doesn't that support the argument that they would be fine for more typical daily life?
anonym I’m not quite sure what you mean by “short and exceptional” but well known drag performers wear corsets and padding for sometimes 10 hours at a time. And as was said, they are singing, dancing, and moving around just fine in the corsets. So if someone that active isn’t fainting or short of breath, someone wearing a corset while baking or doing laundry shouldn’t be out of breath either.
@@_blank-_ if a beginner queen can drag her whole DJing equipment across a big city in platform shoes and wearing a corset directly onto her skin without going "ouch", then perform, then go back home to remove it, i think you're fine wearing one to an office job
There's another thing that might have sparked men ridiculing corsets. Remember, men wore corsets, too. And they wore them pretty much exclusively to pull in their fat rolls, and thus _they_ needed to have them tight-laced, which made them feel like torture devices. It's easy for them to then conclude they feel the same for women.
That would at least be a more believable theory than her ridiculous theory that the men of the time just hated women and wanted to put them down. We need to remember that the feminist or womens suffrage movement has never been that popular. It wasnt until men forced it down our throats. I mean literally even in the period before the womens right to vote passed, most women didnt want it, especially in Europe.
People have a bad habit of looking at the past with modern glasses, but men likely werent trying to ban a fashion outfit that made women look more skinny because a few women wanted some privilege (that many men didnt even have, especially not without life sacrifice, which is also partly why women didnt want that privilege, since despite another lie of this video creator, women had more than just clothing as a way to express themselves.
Feminism got to rewrite history but only for those who fall for it. Its why its still not that popular even today. Its largely man hating and divisive. Things were instead more complex.
The corset is still around today and its largely women who complain the most about it. Not men. Same as in the past, I guarantee.
Not saying all complaints are or were ever valid and I am sure some men thought it was a stupid piece of fashion, oh well...
Well that and the thought "doesn't that squish the internal organs? That can't feel good, or _be_ good for you". And yes, there is such a thing as too small. But if you're smart, as most generally were, then you don't try for the extremes. Also people forget the corset waists were shrunk down over a long period of time, whereas people trying them today often go for a much too narrow one for their body type right off the bat. No wonder it causes pain, discomfort and fainting!
But this would have been beneficial to men. Look at how common back pain is. Imagine as a man with a herniated disk in the Victorian Era? How do you treat that? A corset...
We have to remember that people work heavily then. The same injuries we see today in physical labor occurred in that time also.
@@TheTyrial86 A corset isnt ideal for back pain. We have back braces now and they work nothing alike. You simply dont need a corset. Its only function is vanity.
Fact is, if women stopped a fashion because of men only, then that says more about women than men.
Men are practical. Corsets can be good or bad depending on use. Thats all. They never even died out. They just became less popular.
Women change fashion trends every generation. Why is this one being treated different?
Only because this woman is a feminist and feminism equals man hating.
I'm a man and I've worn corsets for crossdressing, they're harder to breathe in but you get used to it quickly.
I have to break in every new shoe I purchase or my feet will hurt awfully and develop blisters. Therefore shoes are instruments of torture meant to harm and oppress women.
Sometimes you luck out and the shoes are ridiculously well fitted to your feet, and you can wear them all day long from day one because they support everything you need supported to the point where being barefoot is weirdly somehow less comfortable. Those sorts of shoes usually aren't leather shoes or the like, though.
Shoes *are* instruments of torture. I stopped wearing them over a decade ago (except in extreme winter). YMMV, but I could never get them to fit even remotely well.
*Figure skaters and Dancers have entered the chat*
yeah my Doc Martens are trying to oppress me and harm me by adjusting to my feet! It's so strange how no-one has said anything about it...
@@AE-ld9ck _were you the one who summoned me, mortal?_
It seems like corsets are kinda like ice skates. They have to fit to your foot just right, must be broken in, and if it's not the right size, or in this case, isn't fitted to your body perfectly, it will hurt like hell.
@serendipidus1 get a skate that can be HEATED to your foot and they make you walk about in said skate to break it in and form it to your feet so it's way more fitted.
@@Silver_wind_1987_ is there technology like that to make custom-fitted bras? That sounds so awesome. Normal shoes too, I've never found a comfortable shoe.
I have never worn a corset, but I have ice skated plenty of times. My current hockey monstrocities are very uncomortable! My feet always feel like they're burning whenever I skate. I am pretty sure they're too big (I'm a girl with feet that are possibly a bit bigger than the norm).
@@alissapurplebunnies5955 Don't know about bras, but historically that's how the materials in some corsets used to behave when in contact with body heat. Someone might have had the idea of using the same materials?
As someone who has worn both ice skates and corsets (though not at the same time - yet! 😉), I can confirm this statement.
I wore a corset for a musical and it was literally the most comfortable costume I’ve ever had and it was fantastic for my singing-it gives your diaphragm something to work against!
That is really cool!
exactly! I wore one for a Jane Austen production and it was surprisingly comfortable. It really supports your back and improved your posture.
That really makes sense. I'm a competitive powerlifter, and we use lifting belts to brace our core against. When i do wear my corset, it has a similar feel.
interesting!
I had to wear a corset because it was included in my dress for being a princess. It was very, VERY, tight but I had to sing SUPER high bIt made me sound so much less breathy because I couldn’t breathe as much as I would normally while singing. Now, I always sing like that!
The part about pressure being evenly distributed reminds me of how armor plates were similarly worn tightly for similar reasons, with some armors even having an additional leather belt worn around the waist to help with that. This principle still holds today as well for modern ballistic armor vest. I know this is kinda weird saying this on a channel about historical fashion but I just find it interesting.
My first reaction to both the complaints and the athletics was immediately to think about body armor in history. It was always worn over fabric, and it took time for the body to be conditioned to the garment with exercise. There's a difference between a guy who wears plate once a year to someone who spend days training in it and then years fighting in it. Your body can shift to accommodate the new clothes without any real damage. It's not comfortable, but all it takes is the right padding and physical training.
I saw an article today on “the pain of beauty” around the world and through history. And of course there was a section on Victorian corsets. And they were like “tHEy All SHarEd thE PurPoSE oF shRInKiNG tHE wAiSt.” And they talked about how corsets caused cancer, and death, and pain, and all this crap, and I was like “...no...”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to explain to people that corsets weren’t these pieces of death designed by men to make women miserable.
How. On. Earth. Could. A. Corset. Cause. Cancer?!?!?! Is it made of radioactive materials? Is the HarDEnD StEeL iN thE CorsEt RADIOACTIVE? I mean, in victorian times, it's (sorta) undersatndable. But nowdays? Why would anyone think that? Why?!
@@starsun6363 only in California 😜
@@starsun6363 A extremely over-tightened corset or improperly-sized corset can restrict the bloodflow in the spleen (or was it the liver?), which is correlated with higher rates of spleen/liver cancer...that's all I got.
When you dress opera singers, many of them WANT the corsets on the tighter side because it helps with breath support and helps them do their jobs better. Fun fact.
Yeah! Its hard at first(you easily get out of breth) but after its so pleasant!
That's cool
One thing to note regarding the bath corset study is that not only were many of them malnourished but people were just smaller then than now. Probably due ro our improved nutrition. In addition when it comes to extant garments often it is the outliers thst remain. Meaning the smallest sizes tend to be morz prolific than the average most used size because the average ones just got wore out and destroyed while the small ones remained in good condition. So that would skew the results and artificially lower their average waist size.
That actually depends on the type of support you give. Some choose to contract their stomachs to support the notes while others prefer to expand them. It's more of a personal thing, really.
I'm AMAB, but wore stays when I did the role of "Platee". It was perfectly fine, good for support and more comfortable than a 1600's Doublet that's for sure.
"Why would anyone realistically live with a rodent in their hair if they could avoid it?"
BECAUSE I'M TRYNA BE A PROFESSIONAL CHEF, KAROLINA.
Also hair rat = actual rat? Lost in translation 🤔 I can imagine some people really believe this
@@ElanorKella I don't get the "I wear a hat so I can cook" joke, but you're totally correct about people not understanding the old term for a Bump-it made of upcycled lost hairs instead of plastic.
@@rosehep3301 The joke is about Ratatouille :)
Lol!
@@rosehep3301 I think it's just about ratatouille. It's a great film, you should watch it. : D
My mom when I told my mom I was wearing a custom made corset for my costumes: "But you wont wear em a lot so they don't damage your organs?"
ME: going into a 1 hr explanation why all of those myths are dumb and totally not true and corsets are perfectly safe when fitted well - i could literally wear it every day.
My mom: "But you won't do that, right? because that would damage your organs."
ME: HEAD -> wall
girl I am so sorry
my mum literally does the same and doesnt listen/believe it unless someone else tells her the same thing
@@RED-my9hl women only believe what an authority tell them. These days that authority is the state financed television or a favorite talk show
Tell her she is a boomer
Just based on personal experience, there is no modern bra that can prevent my double-d induced back pain the way a decent corset does.
Hear hear!!!
The joys of large boobs never ends.
Have 36 I chest. Never had a back ache in my life.
@Randall Paquet WTF are you even saying??!!
@@erid143 then you are very lucky!
Even if corsets displace organs so does having a baby... yet after having a baby my organs went back
They would move back after not wearing the corset for a while too; been there done that. If it weren't so hot I'd go back to wearing it again!
YES! This comment! I'm currently pregnant and my baby has changed my insides and cracked my ribs! But my costume corsets I sometimes wore before pregnancy never hurt me! Worth it though, so excited to be a mama.
Eileen Nestman congrats on the baby! Good luck!
WhyDoIHaveToBePartOfGoogle+JustToWatchTH-camNow?? Exactly
Eileen Nestman cra-cracked your ribs??? U say it so casually 😂 congrats on having a baby!
People: BUT LOOK! EVEN THIS OLD ARTICLE FROM THE TIME PERIOD SAYS CORSETS ARE BAD--
Me: *shows them article where men believed a woman's uterus could fly out of their body by riding in or driving trains and cars*
WHAT.
@@vampirexion I mean, lots of things were considered bad for women because "what about the uterus!?!?!" Anything from studying (yes really, it will make the blood flow from the uterus to the brain, thus shriveling the uterus and making the woman less fertile, no reading for you missy!) to going too fast in some form of transport. "Bicycle face" was a thing, cycling made women ugly so it's bad (easy transport that gave many women more freedom and a wider range of travel).
@@AnnekeOosterink - I thought the whole "bicycle face" thing was from umm....how do I put this...the shape of the seat and the vibration from going over rough surfaces, like a cobbled or even dirt road.
Can't have women enjoying themselves without men involved! :P
Wow. I wonder if the men actually believed that or if they just had so much hysteria about women being more independent that they made up the first garbage that popped into their head.
@@LindyLime I'm guessing a little from column a and a little from column b....
In some films you can see that the corset is worn upside down. Of course that's uncomfortable.
Girls who did not educate themselves on corsets, and have never worn one: corsets are horrible, torture device, sign of oppression etc.
Same girls: *man I hate bras, I'm so happy when I can take it off at the end of the day. Look at those marks on my shoulders and below my boobs, HORRIBLE*
@@ameliasellers6396 some even estimate 80% wear the incorrect bra size, which I hope is completely wrong because that's depressing.
Bras stretch out too fast for most people to wear the right size for long even with a professional fitting. Most women can't afford to buy a new bra more than once or twice a year, and they often stop fitting right after 2-3 months. You can get a more expensive one that last a little longer, but that still means not getting another good fit as soon as the current one is wrong.
Also, no bra can distribute weight well enough for someone with d cups or larger. The band is just going to be too thin even if it has 4 clasps.
@Diane Berg yeah, but that doesn't make bras torture devices. and just like bras corsets could be pretty uncomfortable, but still had a lot of benefits
Brack_86 if they can’t afford 50 quids for a new bra that doesn’t leave marks, "most women" have the wrong priorities (not saying that there are no people who actually have that little money- but that mindset of skimping in that department is what creates that problem)
Ok boomer
This is a lie, my corset shot me and then ate my head. I am currently dead, thanks to my corset. Don’t believe the lies!!1!,!,,1!!!,!!!!!
It was corsets that elected Trump.
@@davidwarren7279 OH, MY GOD, THE HORROR! *swoons and faints*
@yo hi Yea, don't worry, I already know I'm a comedic genius. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😢😎😎😎
There is 1 impostor among us
*Corset was the impostor*
Gasp!!
Corsets are SO dangerous!!! Every single person who has worn a corset, made a corset or even looked at a corset have ultimately *died* or will eventually *die*.. Wont someone please think of the children.....
That's the dihydrogen monoxyde conspiracy all over again. Wake up, sheeple !
Did u actually watch the video?
@@UnsinkableJoe It's a joke.
Joe Campbell but it’s true! Every person who wears a corset eventually dies! This can’t be a coincidence
I’d like to see the corset manager
How true. It took me a while to convince a large busted lady to have a corset made rather than a bra, but when she did and I made one for her, she told me it was the first time in years she hadn't had backache.
I went on a full rant in a theatrical design class a few months ago about corsetry after we read a play set in the Victorian era and everybody kept saying they wanted this one character to wear a really tight corset to show how “restrictive” her lifestyle was. I fully went off on the historical corsetry rant and gave them a small lecture on the actual function of corsets in history. They were not appreciative but I had a good time.
They'll thank you later... just kidding, people love having things to hate.
The conversation is needed because ignorance isn’t excusable..it’s also very cringe when people especially certain actresses say “corsets are evil because they promote the patriarchy” it’s just screams how ignorant they are of reality and how very sheep minded they are
honestly, yes. Yes, thank you for doing that. Misinformation is not a good thing, and it's the main cause of rumors. Thank you
You’re a bad arse and I appreciate you.
"I went on a full rant.... They weren't appreciative, but I had a good time."
I think I'm crushing on you now.
When I was about to turn 15 I went to go see the seamstress whom I was going to design my quinceañera dress with. She was incredible at her job and designed what I consider to be the most well-fitting and comfortable garment I own. Guess what? Since it was actually made to fit my body and waist, the heavy boning acted like a built-in corset that supported my back and chest throughout a whole 16 hours of partying, photoshoots, waltzing in *high* heels and a heavy ass dress with copious amounts of petticoats underneath.
I was dancing like a goddamn maniac and had literally never felt that good in any clothes in my entire life. Bless corsets.
Honestly, that sounds frickin dope. I wish I could have some sort of cool party like that, but my mom is a huge tomboy, we don't celebrate birthdays traditionally, and I'd feel awkward. I'm so glad you had a good time. :)
That sounds like amazing fun! I'm glad that garment gave you such a fun time, and I hope you've had the chance to have a blast in it since!
@@zzdaweirdo1120 Aw, why not ask? Your mom probably fought gender expectations growing up; would she want you to have to conform to hers? Obvs no pressure from this randomer on the internet; I just think you should have the chance to have the sweet party you're wishing for!
@@clockworkkirlia7475 I mean, she has done a lot of cool and nice things for me, but I don't know, I'd feel kind of selfish if you know what I mean? But yeah, I'll ask. And I'm always open to advice (as long as it's not obviously stupid, of course.). :)
The dress must've been beautiful, and you must've looked beautiful too. I wanna try a fitted corset because 1. I always liked corsets, and 2. My b a c k. So Id love to experience it. Im happy you had so much fun. Corsets sound fun-
"Corsets killed women" why yes, they obviously did. I mean didn't you notice we all went extinct? Oh wait.
Oh wait....
Oh wait-
Oh wait-
@@reena4072
**looks at watch**
Still waiting...
Waiting....
👧👩👵👽💀☠
Since starting to wear a corset, I have finally lost weight, I walk up straight (I tend to hunch because of my height) and I feel confident. Haven't had any health problems, going into my 5th month and loving it.
yo, dont abuse of the corset, its gonna make your back weak if u wear it that much, and feel less hungry, wear it responsably
@@conim9205 did you watch the video.
@@lunos5026 judging from their other comment, no
@@conim9205 Watch the video and her other videos, she’s a good youtuber and I can recommend you other content if you’d like. This is a very unique historical period not only in terms of fashion but just because it was, as you said in your other comment, not as simple as one style. It was many, however corsets were used primarily during this time
I wear a corset to help with my "very severe" social anxiety. It's like a permanent hug and really does help. If anyone else has bad social anxiety/social phobia, try a corset. It's not a cure all, but it does help. :)
Sounds like a portable weighted blanket, great idea! I know you can get something similar for cats to reduce anxiety in situations like moving or traveling. Further proof cats are actually people.
Like Temple Granden!
Interesting...
Now that I think about it, I did have less anxiety when i went to the Renaissance festival.
Thank you for writing this comment! I'm going to make/purchase a corset asap
Pros of quarantine: I stand on my balcony and yell about how corsets aren't devil sent torture devices and how stays ARE different from them, and none of my neighbours can escape me.
I would do that if my mum didn't have the ears of a bat
"CORSETS AREN'T MEANT TO BE THAT TIGHT!"
"Everyday I pray for an asteroid."
I never understand how people can condemn corsets with one breath and encourage people to wear six inch stilettos with the next
Or how liposuction and breast augmentation are somehow seen as largely acceptable but corsets and dress padding are dishonest and shameful to a degree
@@DrCandyStriper i actually think people who has plastic surgery are insecure and want a easy way out rather than curing their insecurity.
Yes, I agree.
@@nafsi8519 TBH I have no problem with plastic surgery and I've considered a few things, at least passively. What I take issue with is the hypocrisy.
There's an element of artifice in both and those that don't acknowledge it should give it more thought
I'd choose a well fitted corset over stilettos anyday.
Ah yes, the never-ending male quest to fool women into wearing less clothes. It's reverse psychology!
DAMN I have been saying this since high school.
*"MEN'S CORSETS ON THE OTHER HAND"*
_21st century anti-corset feminists:_ wait wait wait wait wait.
Dude its not feminist fault if corset are seen as bad
@@seliamila1005 They made their part... don't try to hide it.
@@cesar6447 the men made false information about corset for a century, it's not only feminist who sees corset as bad, if you keep telling people false information or lies they will start to believe it
@@seliamila1005 I only said that they made their part, you know this is one of those cases that feminist (on their ignorance) work together with the patriarchy. And you can't say that feminist weren't hating the corset for centuries.
@@seliamila1005 feminist actresses literally still hate on corsets....mm
Also worth noting: post pregnancy the skin on the lower abdomen is generally loose and floppy. Even today, most people will wear some kind of supportive garment so the sensitive skin isn’t swinging around( ie high waisted pants, a tight undershirt, a belly band). Corsets would help both to support the stomach during and after prenagancy
Didn't women even wear modified stays and corsets while they were pregnant? And like...humanity has since survived, so clearly the birthrate didn't drop off dramatically during that period of history--at least not for that reason, I would imagine
At the very beginning, the first few months of pregnancy you can loosen the lacing a bit as needed, when you had a baby bump, there were pregnancy corsets... no big deal
And that's why the Victorians had maternity corsets :). I have several living historian friends who have worn and LOVED them. We do the same things now, but don't use the dirty 'corset' word to describe our garments.
Compression garments are super common now a days! They absolutely hero you more comfortable too.
Kayleigh if women need to wear supportive garments after pregnancy for their belly fat how do obese people deal with theirs? Never heard of that before
"Because we like to feel superior over previous eras."
This is so true. Though there are plenty of ways civilization has genuinely advanced, it does not mean that every practice of former times was barbaric. But you did add that. You included a lot of similar admissions at the end. Kudos for that. It shows how well researched and transparent this video was.
Agreed.
I'm a costume maker for stage and screen, I trained 30 years ago and learnt to make corsets for actors. Many opera singers love a corset because it is something to push against and helps voice control.
I was curious, and I have always had heavy breast so I made myself a corset- I realised straight away that the briefing against corset had a different agenda, because despite restricting bending in the middle they are very comfortable if made for you. I have had underwired long line bras which are giving a very similar level of comfort.
As below jeans are the modern corset- I believe corsets became far more uncomfortable once whalebone was unavailable, it is a far better material for corsets- and still isn't matched by modern alternatives, when I made my corset I used whalebone from an old corset I bought at a jumble sale, so it is very comfortable.
I would argue that corsets are less hindering on movement than the tight jeans women used to wear or slim skirts with high heels in the decades later.
@@Asto508 Agree.
Corset actually helps with singing, because it puts tension on the diaphragm, and you can always feel that you breathe the correct way. Many male opera singers used to hide leather belts behind the sashes for that same reason.
@@biot7175 it's not restrictive at all. It's tightening. Imagine bracer on the wrist, the way gymnasts use them. It is kind of the same thing. There are actually "bondages" you can buy to help you with right breathing while singing, which look like giant wrist bracers only for your mid-body area))) when I was in training it helped me a lot:)
Oooooooooh, I wanna corset I can wear to my choir concerts now!
@@PrincessX-ke8tj don't forget to lace it properly!:D
What's wrong with your name? Is a faceee, how did you do that?👀
Reminds me of a popular saying among some men now: “Women who wear makeup look tacky”
*Looks at all the photos of women they say are “hot”, all wearing makeup*
They just can’t tell
Men a very stupid when it comes to womens looks. They just want ti talk shit about anything feminine
@@taritangeo4948 It gets worse when some of those same guys hate on women who act "masculine" (with things as simple has having a successful career instead of being a housewife). It's rather telling when someone mocks a demographic for filling stereotypes and at the same time derides them for deviating from those stereotypes. They view that demographic as simple and inferior, and are scared to be proven wrong.
(Obligatory "not all men" disclaimer here. Just not worth the potential argument.)
It reminds me of "what men think heavy/no makeup looks like vs what it is" 4 panel meme, it's lovely
Whore and Madonna complex.
I appreciate that they think that at some point we just evolved to look naturally perfect. Because I have no pores, bright red lips, perfect eyebrows and semi decent hair naturally.
0:33 at first, I understood "before breasts were invented." Needless to say, I was shooketh.
Lind say same 😂🙉
As an equestrian (someone who rides horses) I can say corsets are very often used in equatation to help get points. There are even corsets made for riding horses.
This is why Belle in the Beauty and the beast live action had such a crappy yellow dress. Emma Watson said that corsets were "oppressive to women". Because she refused to wear a corset, the consume maker couldn't make her a beautiful and accurate dress.
I know right?! Belle's golden gown was one my favourites when I was a kid and was so excited about the live action movie but when I saw the yellow ball gown dress I just-
meanwhile, lily james blue gown was SO gorgeous and magical!
But I mean just on its own that dress is ridiculous
I don't think it's the lack of corset that made her ballgown look awful. It was the dress itself. Emma's village dress looked fantastic, and I doubt a pair of stays would've changed that.
Yes, she was wrong about its status in society, considering the people who mainly made them were, but that was still a well atriculated (though misguided), valid reason not to want to have one - and it most likely wouldn't have been properly fitted, anyway.
@@Acidfrog475 yeah, but to think she followed the "no corsetry trope" thinking it was something back then, when it wasn't, was just awful and painful to watch. the movie is garbage itself, belle is so selfish... cmon, people in the vile DESTROYED her property. tf?
I'm a medieval weapons nerd, new here. Corsets seem to be a meme here, like armour in my community. So many misconceptions about them it's both hilarious and infuriating.
After all, corsets and breastplates are similar : they don't bother you if properly fitted. Just like a corset will allow the breasts' weight to rest on the hips, a properly made cuirass will distribute the weight on the waist and shoulders allowing for good mobility despite being heavy.
Thrown Sword Pommel I really didn’t know much about armour, thanks for the info.
Exactly. I had a misconception about armour also until I got some properly fitted, and once it was all on, you can barely tell and it is incredibly comfortable and easy to move in.
@@AlexJReil Come and join us sword wielding, armour wearing maniacs. You'll probably have a lot of fun, meet a fabulous community and if you don't you'll have learned a couple things at least. There are very informative channels on the topic here on TH-cam, the most famous ones being Skallagrim, Metatron, Shadiversity and Schola Gladiatoria (although this last one's got only videos that are a bit too specific if you aren't into historical weapons already). Just watch a few their videos,and the youtube algorythm will do its magic and recommend you plenty of excellent content on this weird passion.
But we all know the #1 rule of women's armor: If it shows more skin, it's somehow more effective.
Thrown Sword Pommel: Are you an SCA member?
Sis I basically have to wear a corset every night for my scoliosis and i'm just fine
I also think that the modern expectation of corsets being unbearably uncomfortable has led to film productions not bothering to make the corsets properly constructed, tailored, or worn. The response to someone not be able to breathe or feeling dizzy in a garment is to change something! Is it made properly? Is it fitting as it should? Is it laced too tightly? But those questions don't get asked because the expectation of everyone, including the actors suffering unnecessarily, is "Well, it's a corset, of course it feels awful."
@monny287 Or Lily James as Cinderella. It sounds like they were using the corset to make her waist as small as possible. No wonder she had trouble eating in that thing.
Nowadays we break into new shoes. Why is it so difficult to get that it's the same with corsets?
Not all of us do, I usually go for shoes that are immediately comfortable. Yes, I dress like a potato. But yes, breaking in shoes is something everyone if familiar with, and should be a quick way to make people being less judgemental about other items to wear
We also break in nice pairs of jeans.
I think I might have some specific problem where it's always one spot that hurts when walking in a new pair of shoes, but it's not obvious at the first try, only after walking for a couple of minutes maybe. Well that sucks. I know it can't be helped with time, I know not _all_ shoes have that effect yet I get this "just gotta break in your shoes" excuse. My comfortable shoes felt that way from the start. Apparently walking through discomfort and pain is the norm, even though it can be avoided by getting better shoes...
"special cheers to films pretending corsets where worn on bare skin. In reality there was always a protective layer because people weren't dumb"
Same with armor :D i feel your anger
Addition by @Captain Ahab:
For full plate armour you have an under layer of cloth or gamberson then you have mail then you have the plate
People thought an armor was worn on bare skin?
@@fakename3440 they believe it all the time and it makes us history nerds really mad. But tbh its a minor unconvenient, sure its a very common misinformation but its not as terrible wrong and as terrible defended as most other historic misconceptions.
Its just silly
Why tf would anyone think people were putting armor on their bare skin
@@aliyahblidner ikr the metal would be cold and the thin parts could cut skin. this is why Steve and Alex wear clothes under armour in Minecraft
For full plate armour you have an under layer of cloth or gamberson then you have mail then you have the plate
I was at a medieval fair, looking at corsets, lady selling em asked if I wanted to try one, bf at the time (now ex) asked something about them being super uncomfortable, lady said "then it was made wrong". Proceeded to fit me in a corset and damn if that thing wasn't super comfy AND smoothed out some lines very nicely
I wear corsets on occasion, and it really isn't any different from wearing high heels or underwire bras. People who aren't used to it find it uncomfortable and impossible ("How can you walk in those things?"), people who are used to it have no idea what you're talking about. So I'm sure some actresses thought they "couldn't breathe" in their corsets, just as many women "can't walk" in heels. They assume other people must find it as difficult as they do, and that we're suffering or something.
EDIT: You'll notice a similar dynamic with men and neckties. Some men who never wear suits say they can't wear a tie because they feel like they're choking. Ask a guy who wears a suit to work every day, he never feels like he's "choking."
revelwoodie this is extremely accurate. I used to be able to run in stillettos. People would ask ‘omg how is that possible’ well maybe...I practiced? Like we all did to not be crawling on all fours now.
Bras and high heels are also effin uncomfortable and deserve to be forgotten
High heels are actually bad for your feet and are best used for horseback riding.
@@wmurd Well, I find both bras and high heels quite comfortable. To each his own, I suppose. And maybe high heels will be gone 100 years from now, who knows. But bras aren't going anywhere. Because if you're large breasted, nothing is more uncomfortable than NOT wearing a bra.
@@lth9520 Well, I've been wearing heels all my life, and my riding boots are actually the lowest heeled shoes I own, at about 1", maybe a little more. If I'm going to be on my feet all day, I keep it 3" or less. If I'm going out at night, I wear dancing shoes, usually about 2 1/2" with a broad heel, flexible soles and open toes. Truly high heels (4" or more) I reserve for occasions when I want to look great and won't be wearing them long, like going out to dinner. My feet are doing fine so far. But perhaps that's a matter of experience. I routinely see women wearing heels that are a poor choice for the situation (like closed toe pumps when they're going to be standing up a long time), or walking in heels improperly, like a seabird browsing a beach for clams. That's terrible for your back.
“Because we love to feel superior to the previous generations.”
This comes up soooo often anytime you talk about history and politics. It’s very unfortunate, really.
Isn't that called Chronological snobbery?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_snobbery
I’ve said a few times “do you really think women would have worn corsetry (both stays and corsets) for 500 years if it was super painful and they couldn’t do anything but faint and die? Women still worked, ya know? If they were so painful and impractical, they wouldn’t have been worn (and certainly not by the working class!)”
Strange, because all too often when it come to politics I hear people complain about how things were so much better in the past.
@@TheOneGuy1111 And those people tend to forget inflation is a thing. I have seen so many people say, "Boomers had it so good, they could've afforded a Corvette in their teens and all they had to worry was gas going above a dollar." One, you can easily afford a Corvette these days late C3, C4, and C5 Corvettes are pretty cheap. No one normal had a new Corvette in their teens, that's just Hollywood wanting their character to seem cool. And finally, a dollar back then is close to 4 or 5 bucks today.
@@TheOneGuy1111 those people, whether consciously or subconsciously, want to uphold the societal values that would hold them over minorities. be wary of ANYONE who says they long for the actual social fabric of the 50s/60s/etc. wanting to live "the good ol' days" often means being able to be a horrible person in relative peace.
When she was talking about the drawings of women with tiny waists I immediately thought of Ariel from the little mermaid. Her waist is tiny but also she’s a DRAWING
My humans heads are long, and the noses are VERY small, but I DREW THEM
@@princerufioh My limbs are lanky and my heads are massive, but they're *_drawings_*
"Ariel has unachievable beauty standards!" Right, like having a fish tail :''''((( I could never have a fish tail... smh cartoons aren't aLLOWed to be stylized
CJ Sweets my four mermaid tails that I’ve had in the past would beg to differ
Theres people arguing how strong is big green muscle man that got his "power" from massive radiation exposure. : D
A well design and shaped corset tighten correctly is wonderful for back and look
Random fact: Isabella II of Spain was stabbed by a revolutionary in 1852, but thanks to her heavy corset, she survived. So in this case, her corset literally saved her life.
Oh wow
Oh damn, thank you for that fun fact!
Sounds like enola holmes
“I looked at a corset once and my lung was punctured, my kidneys exploded, and two of my ribs just completely disintegrated”
@Matthew Mattocks my ribs hopped out of my body, robbed my house, killed me and escaped
@Matthew Mattocks I'm sure mine did a lot more but I was a little too dead to notice ig
@Matthew Mattocks oh it's okay, that's a pretty common problem we face, I gave up easily and just died 🙃
@@zawarudo100 Ooooh, can ghosts interact with the mortal world, now? Also, please tell your ghost friends not to haunt me, I'm very easily scared and my dog won't stop barking at the wind and it's staring to get a bit annoying.
@@noel_is_notwell oh yes we have been interacting with the mortal world, I tried being friends with a few mortals but they ran away from me :'(
also I will ask my friends to not trouble you and your dog :) 👍
they like having fun with mortals lol
"People were always people" I had been thinking about that a lot lately, actually. It's just something that people seem to forget very, very often.
So so true
Definitely one of the few silver linings to this awful pandemic situation imo. There's a kinship to be found in what earlier generations ultimately overcame, that their experiences in life were not totally different from ours even all this time and technological innovation later.
Well it’s easy to forget since people white people back then without hesitation or second though thought it was totally okay to make people who aren’t white they’re slaves just bcus....they weren’t white
I just saw a post on fb about the dangers of corsets and literally everyone was going on about how awful it was. Posted this video in the comments to hopefully educate people
I grew up watching a movie called Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I remember as a kid watching the special edition with interviews from the cast and all that, but I distinctly remember all the actresses saying how much they loved the corsets they had to wear, how they were great for posture, they were great bras, and how they wished they were still the norm.
it doesn’t need to be the norm they can still use these nowadays
I love watching that movie, and as I recall all of those actresses did some pretty impressive dancing in those corsets...
I adore that movie and I didn’t know that! But yeah all the crazy dancing they did and *gasp* scandal they could move!
7 Brides for 7 Brothers...one of my favorite musicals! ♡
i'm a dude who owns, and wears a corset, and whenever i hear someone say something about a corset being dangerous it makes me want to yeet myself!
That's so cool! I honestly didn't know guys could use them too before this video. I use my corset and in cant stress this enough THEY FEEL SO GOOD AND HELP DO MUCH! anyways how did you start using them and how do people in general see this? Thanks!
Guys' corsets went in and out of popularity, all the way through the early 20th century! They even had a solid comeback in the 1920s! You can see a fascinating article about them here from 1921: historyischic.blogspot.com/2018/07/corsets-for-men.html
Same here. I wear them when I do period costumes to have a nicer silhouette and I've never had issues with it.
@Tristan Tries You have to talk to your doctor. I'm sure wearing it for short periods would be fine, but it could weaken his muscles such that he could have future problems. Sort of like "it feels better if I just sit in this comfy chair all day" vs "get out and walk even if it hurts".
My dad got one to help his back and I got one for my job as well its amazing
Imagine if future historians believed our eyes were as big as anime eyes like we believe waits were as small as in old paintings.
They would probably apply some weird heavy make up to make their eyes look big and will get shamed by men bc MaKeuP iS dAngEroUs hOw DiD thEy LivE bAcK tHeN
lol that would actually be hilarious. Like all of us up in heaven watching them like, "BAHAHAHA!"
An anthropologist is going to come across this comment in 1000 years, and it will be the last missing piece to their research
I once hurt my back and wearing a corset for a day saved my ass bcs it gave it enough support to relax
Same misconceptions as with armor. If it were so heavy and cumbersome then why people used it for thousand years XD
That's not a good argument. Because they did not invent anything better yet?
@@aquatera3815 Yeah, but if it were true, people would’ve tried to invent something better.
It was a balancing act, more coverage means more is proeected, but more armor means it is heavy and the few weak spots it leaves get easyer to exploit. The all plate armor everyone pictures realy was not that commen
@@faraway-2009 and that's what happened when bras came along eventually, women finally got around to making something better. My argument still stands.
Because they needed it for survival. They didn't wear it to look skinny and pretty
"Why would anyone want to live with a rodent in their hair?"
Better question yet: why would rodents want to live in your hair? It's unstable, very exposed and with no easy access to food. Rodents aren't stupid.
Yeah but he can cook and I cant, so we both share the food. Also he is inside my chef hat.
When I was in theatre school someone told me that when you’re fitted for a corset you should take in a deep breath so you know you have room to breath. I wonder if these actresses made the mistake of sucking in when they were fitted.
Wow I need to take notes from that
I love hearing myths about women’s fashion being destroyed