Men's Gymnastics: E and F elements Rings (2011 Edit)
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- All the MAG E and F elements from the code of points on rings.
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As a 20 year old female that just finished a servings of french fries with tartar sauce, this is absolutely mind-boggling. Truly superhuman strength.
+buggld hahahaha .. I can relate .. the first time I tried static hold on the rings .. I wanted to cry out so loud of pain ... an evil kind of pain in my arms . I've never seen before in my life
Wooow now you’re 27
I'm not an athlete but would guess this is some of the hardest things the human body can do. Such incredible strength yet so graceful. MUCH respect.
+WarRogers yeah ... just a simple cross can take up to 4 years of training
+WarRogers You're right - the inverted swallow, aka the Victorian ( 0:52 ), is at the very border of what is possible to achieve with the human body. Only the very most gifted and well trained athletes can ever hope to achieve it, and even then, they are unable to do it with completely strict form, as you can see here. Not that it's not an absurdly impressive feat of strength.
Try to replicate that motion - straight arms locked by your sides, pressing backward on a sturdy chair or table to stop you from falling - do it at the slightest angle, with your feet on the ground for support, and feel how difficult it is to produce force in that direction!
can you send me a link with all elements on rings
@@andrewwiemken6443 This is one great misconception, while it is true that victorian is a bit harder than lets say swallow, just because most of ring gymnast don't go it, it does't mean they can't do it or that it is that marginally more difficult to do so.
The reason why you don't see it, is because when looked at the rings elements the most difficult ones use anterior shoulders, biceps and chest (planche, maltese, cross, inverted cross) while victorian uses posterior shoulders and triceps, so the reason why they don't do it, is because it will be in efficient, why spend time training 1 single move which uses muscles that are not used in other static poses, when they can get stronger at the swallow position ad than get transfer to planche, cross, inv cross and than get stronger at a combination of those and get higher points...
@@andrewwiemken6443 Even tho i'm answering really late, check out Manuel Caruso. He is a Calisthenics athlete and has just achieved the pinnacle of pull strenght, he mastered the victorian, and created his own movement called "Caruso" which is going from a front lever to a victorian, with straight arms. incredible stuff.
The strength moves have really gotten great since the 60's. I competed in both high school in college on the still rings. I had a good solid iron cross. I did a good hollow back press to handstand. My back giant was fair. But I could never do what these guys could do. A back up rise to an L cross was my best move in 1970. I scored about 8.0 since i had couldn't stand up a double. These guys are awesome today.
true story: my best strength move was a wobbly L-seat -- but i could nail the double-tuck dismount! tumbling/vaulting was my thing. even so -- i was happy to get a 6.0 on rings.
Nice :)
John do yoh think they are natural?
I think yes they are
Could it be because they weight train today?
I'm doing the A elements with calisthenics 😂
0} same here lol
grinding my way to some B
Twski ///M well I’m doing 90 degree hspu now so I’m good at level B elements. I got it for 6 reps and the dead press is getting normal for me. Honestly Planche for 30 seconds is a goal for me now🔥
@@bennycalisthenics862 nice! 30 seconds is an eternity hahah I generally get bored with the skill if I can hold it for 10s, and just move on to harder stuff. But must be a hell of a feeling to do something like a planche without breaking a sweat for the first 15 seconds, and going all the way to 30.
I'm almost getting to straddle planche, got a few bad form holds for 3s tops, but I think I'll get it in the next few months.
Where can one find the list of A, B,..., F elements? I haven't found any other video about that :P
People don’t comprehend how much strength is needed to achieve this.
I do competitive powerlifting and a fellow gym goer let me try his rings at the gym. I am hooked. Anything that is this hard, I have to try and get good at. My first attempt at anything was a cross and I was able to hold it about halfway and my elbows felt like they were going to explode. I love this.
You should definetely try the high rings in a gymnastics gym they are much harder to command than the usual gym rings because the rope is much longer. Sorry for not spelling definetely correctly just dont know how it should be spelled.
@@typicalskywars4025 accessing such rings is a feat. Gymnastics gyms are rare, and even i fthere is one in your city, it is likely you wouldnt be allowed to train there
@@myxail0 In Sofia Bulgaria gymnastics gyms are everywhere and i have bought rings for home. Gymnastics gyms arent even that expensive just 20 bucks a month or 40bucks depending on how many times you visit thats like 40 leva or 80 leva per month
@@typicalskywars4025 nice. So thats one of the reasons why Nedko and Kobelev thrive. Well I live in Warsaw, a 1.5 million capital of 40 million nation and there is no such gym where i could go. Well no gym that i know of. I do have rings tho, but as you said its a little different, also cant hang them on a tree and train in winter hah
@@myxail0 Kobelev is from russia but its probably the same there
0:43 bruhh.Tha victorian cross is killing me.He makes it look so easy and that's harder than anything else wtf
He os doing a lot of fatigue
But still very insane ... I mean he dont makes It look Easy...
I showed this to a friend and he was like " That is not that hard, I would be able to do that with a year of training."
me be like: you got to be kidding me 😂😂😂
Haha tell him to post his progress on here. We'd all love to see how he's getting on 👍
@@situationunchanged9733 bro, he can't even hold a PLLANK FOR 2 MINUTES😂😂😂
@@seansean3204 I think we all know someone like that 😂 he could be the next great TH-cam sensation 😉
@@situationunchanged9733 yes😂😂😂
Lmao.
Yuri Van Gelder in a lot of these clips
to Michael Leach:
Maltese Cross and Swallow are the same. Support scale is when the shoulders are above ring level. Basically Maltese Cross/Swallow is a support scale with shoulders at ring level.
Gods amongst men
so basically:
Victorian cross is the extreme version of Front lever
Maltese cross is the extreme version of full planche
no, maltese is extreme version of back lever, inverted cross is the extreme version of handstand
OMG. Victorian and Inverted Cross x) My life goals !!!
can u do it now? hehe
Raj Bhavsar, such an awesome athlete. Very consistent.
Matlese is absolute raw power. Unbelievable strength.
This is the best video in the whole youtube! I've watched it atleast 400-500 times and it still motivates me :)
The "The Other Skills" were all sick!!
Please keep on making these videos. They are wonderful. The song choice, the editing. I learned so much from this.
The Holy Grail of upper body strength...yet you alwasy find idiots who are talking about gymnasts missing legs day lol Gymnasts can do Single leg squat easily which is quite enough for leg strength and hip mobility
They can do more than normal squad you wont see some dude with big legs jumping and doing flips
1 Leg squat is insanely easy man...
Point is their legs are way stronger than the average dude so it's pretty ridiculous to say they have no legs... Same people would probably say most athletes have no legs. Size is overrated because looks matter more than substance.
@@musicpro5010 Not if done with completely perfect form
@@erenyaeger7662 I've been doing them for some time and even with perfect form they're not challanging. The legs are too strong and big muscles and they can handle the body weight with no problem
I can feel the power! This is totally awesome!
These guys take functional strength to a whole insane leval.
Fantastic video...so much fun to watch! Thanks!
Without taking into account the flips, the F elements are: Zanetti, Carmona, Rodrigues and 360° pull Van Gelder
in maltese the body is lower than in the planche, in maltese rings are almost at shoulder level (horizontal line) like doing chest flyes , and in ring planche rings are below shoulders (vertical line) like doing pushups.
I love how some idiots out there think that gymnastics isnt a strength sport haha Im a gymnast and im yet to see anyone lift what i lift with the weightlifters challenge me. They really have no clue (the weightlifters do, they just wanna see me show off.. jerks haha)
I get the same with swimming :)
thanks for making videos. Seriously
Thank you for your awesome video =)
The inverted swallow 2:09 is harder, it is also rated E. An Erating for simply a strength hold.
thanks for that
From hanging scale rw.press to swallow 2 s.this element was did by Alexsander Tvauri,in Germany bremen 2000 year european championchips Alexsander did it first time.
clips?
I can do a push-up. What grade is that?
FENTON F? I think yes
it's G bro
I think how the grading system works is the higher the letter the harder
Soo the lowest grade would be an a...
Which im guessing the pushup wouldnt even be on their grade list because it isnt a rings move.
Rather id say its a foundational skill for beginners
Edit: did some research and they base their elements on “the code of points”.
A elements being the easiest, still contain some insane stuff to us normal people
Some a grade elements include:
Straddle planche, full back lever, full front lever, handstand pressup on rings.
These are all skills that only the advanced calisthenics athletes can do, while gymnasts over here see it is the easiest elements, truely shows how insanely strong these guys are
@@jaydenhpiano5600 The most advanced? Go check out Scarxlus,ziolus or even Manuel Caruso.
Manuel Caruso has it's own move where you go from a full front lever to a Victorian with straight arms,lmao.
That's something only little gymnasts can do
And ziolus has 1 arm planche on rings
Then scarxlus gottem 10 zanetti in 1 set lol
Zanetti, lord of the rings❤️🇧🇷
You may be confusing it with the Tampakos 1 and 2 (Front uprise to swallow or inverted cross) they took out those because they were two seperate elements. The Bhavsar though is still in the Code so I guess it's still allowed.
@RedNasvw Thank you very much.
when the iron cross is a rest position
Inverted crosses and malteses are so sick
I am surprised by this item not mentioned in this video.tvauri alexsander from georgia,he was the first person who invented this elements.1)these elements are,from swallow,lower slowly to hanging scale,press to swallow.2)from hanging scale rw.press to swallow 2s F.
And Calisthenic athletes dare compare themselves to Still Ring Gymnasts... It's like comparing Pop Warner football to NFL.
Ben Pon I know right xD! But at least they are trying! I’ve seen Calisthenics athletes doing Zanetti and Van Gelder
@@eduard7962 Yeah that is crazy I give props but it shows when they do these moves its bent arm and a little bad form but still impressive none the less for how long they been training and lack of coaches
Edijard these elements are out of reach for calisthenics athletes. Lol at you saying they do moves more strength based than these E and F elements. Danny Rodrigues would embarrass all of them.
@@imirish4702 caruso can do frontlever to Victorian with straight arm with perfect form. Scarxlus can do the Butterfly (straight arm MU) weighted with 15kg or on pinkies. He can also do Full Rom Zanetti, 5 Vangelders in a row, about 20 seconds of maltese on Rings. And they're both calisthenics athletes. Call me when a gymnast does straight arm frontlever to Victorian cross , i'll wait
Baladin skill looks godlike! Carmona skill looks like the athlete is possesed from devil😂!
Absolutely fantastic video! Thank you once again! Can anyone explain if hanging scales = back lever and support scales = swallow/maltese cross. I am a bit confused on this.
Someone tell these men there is a force call gravity
That's weird, I just check the latest Code and you're right. Since '09 a lot of judges have been telling me that I wouldn't get an E-value anymore due to the fact you go over support (as you do with tampakos and kip to maltese). Though it would make sense to take out the bhavsar (but I really hope they don't).
Well they are still allowed but judged as two separate elements. For example front uprise A + Maltese D. The same happened for kip to Maltese, that used to be an element but now is judged as Kip A + Maltese D, hope that helps...
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wow i just tried simulating in my head what a cross to maltese without shoulders going above rings ... and it is insanely difficult. to train for it would be have to be something like : being in a maltese then opening the arms wider and the body will fall down to a cross. okay now imagine that being done in reverse.
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What is the difference between:
1. Maltese cross
2. Support Scale
3. Swallow
Aren't these all the same thing? I'm familiar with the term Maltese Cross from years ago (1989). The other two terms, I haven't heard of until I saw this video.
Maltese and swallow are essentially the same thing, a planche at ring height. Swallow I believe is with arms close to your body, while a Maltese is closer to, as it name suggests, a cross. The different names suggest they've been different elements way back, but I can't say for sure. Support scale is a regular planche, eg: 2:58, 4:53 (van gelder's van gelder - it's dude in the orange's name, his element - starts from swallow and ends in support, the chinese dude's van gelder is the opposite: starts in support, ends in swallow). Support scale is valued 1 letter below swallow/maltese.
isnt it the other way around? maltese is with the arms further away, if its closer its basically a planche
Those three are the exact same thing, it shows that in the code of points.
I'm in level 7
My abs are sore now...
I don't really know the reason for it, it's just a decision they made while updating the Code of Points I guess. Maybe they wanted to clean up the code, prevent it from becoming even more complicated with all these double elements........
Updated 2021 elements ?
Why do I know swallow as Maltese and sup scale as Planche?
@rednasvw what font do you use?
Cross press to Swallow same difficulty as Cross to inverted cross, Van gelder is the same difficulty if you press to Maltese and or to planche? Why?
fuckin amazing v tape bodies! 0:58 victorian respect 🙏💪
@XtremeTkatchev I've put it in the description now.
Do that 5 times fast!
Just one step short from actually flying
What's the last song please?
This wouldn't have been much of a video without Yuri van Gelder.
Well, they should also remove Chen Yibing since he's clearly not human.
It is funny how fucking hard E elements are in men gymnastics and in WAG they are on their way to Z :P
Oh I wish kipt o maltese was still a skill.=(
What about Kip to Victorian?
No one has been able to do it far as I know, and Rodriguez is the only one in competition I've seen do a victorian. It's a nearly impossible move (it think it takes a HUGE training investment, costs with other skills as it builds a lot of muscles that's aren't otherwise needed so other strength elements suffer, and only certain morphology [limb to chest length ratios] can do it even after all that). I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze for most competitive gymnast (the only ones that really have much chance doing it) within the short timeframe they have to train before they age out or injure out.
I trained to try for that and a maltese for about three years, made some progress toward a maltese and literally almost zero progress toward a victorian (same goes for a butterfly which I worked toward on a cable cross at whatever weight I could handle - 30 to 40 pounds each side max!). It's a very, very, very un natural move. I never expected to be able to actually do it, I just felt it was a great progression to build strength in the rotator cuff to avoid injury from other moves. But yeah, three years, solid and dedicated, and the degree of progress between the maltese and the victorian was like 10 : 1, and even the maltese progress was NOT fast at all. Victorian was hardly perceptible progress at all.
I'm just somebody that thinks this stuff is cool, not remotely high in the progression, but I think the results I got are just a magnified version (because I'm much weaker to start) than what you'd see in someone that is really strong and has the proper preparation. I think the victorian is a huge gamble, a ton of training for something that may never happen, comes with a heavy cost (Rodriguez is not one of the top competitors which I think is because his muscular development adds weight that hurts other skills), and you don't really know until you try (but you're pretty sure you won't get there).
Thats a back leaver
too bad the bhavsar isn't allowed anymore
At 1:14
It is a D
Personally I like the swing elements on rings and not so much the holds.The inverted swallow or Rodriguez i don't care for at all.
its more like a maltese
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Van Gelder is harder skill than Zanetti
Is that Chinese guys name.... O’Neil? Wtf? Lol
Name of the element hes doing
That's Chen Yibing I think