Love your videos man. I often hike for 8-10 hours per day, so I bring a fully waterproof Polyuretan minimalistic jacket with no pockets, a hood and zips under the arms for airing out damp. The weight of that is about 600 grams. Then I have a light wind jacket that transports moisture well. It works so-so in close to zero celsius, but one idea I had was to bring an extra fleece in the pack just to get a few more comfortable hours in the rain. On ski trips in the snow I use 100% cotton anorak.
Sounds like you have more fun than me ☺️. There's one thing I always do when out on the hills or anywhere in any season. Apart from what I think I should wear, it's one extra layer just in case. In terrible condition, it feels safe to know that I'm one step ahead in this world. Most of the time, I don't use it, but it's always there, and an assurance that keeps me away from trouble. You just can't trust the weather. The MTP smock in this video is now waterproofed with fabsil, which is a good waterproof agent, and it's less laborious to apply. thanks for the compliment 👍
Same when I wore mine on longmoor ranges. I hadn’t been given a waterproof buffalo jacket like everyone else and just had the smock. It was cats and dogs. At the end of the day my shoulders were only mildly damp and that was with no waxing or waterproofing and the smock was warm and comfy. It also kept me warm in the back of an A400 at 30,000 ft when I had no thermal layer, just t-shirt jacket and the smock. When bits of kit look after you like that, you get attached to them. I’ll definitely keep mine when I go outside.
Sorry Andy if you have answered this question before but did you use the Fjallraven Greenland wax on this jacket one layer or two, It appears to have done a very good job.Watched your jacket waxing video quite a laborious task but the results are quite impressive on this particular jacket you gave it quite a severe test for sure.
No worries. I'm pretty sure I just put the 1 layer on because it's a very tight-knit material and very windproof. These days, my jackets are waterproofed with #fabsil . They both do a good job, but fabsil is easier to spray on.
I want to get the British MTP smock to add to my collection as well. It looks fantastic, especially in the Fall and Spring. I love the British woodland DPM one I have. Maybe I'm a strange one, but I love these walking around the trails and woods while in the rain videos. Maybe you could review proper surplus rain kit in the future too. Great stuff, Andy!!!!
It's a really good jacket John, it's worth getting this modern type, it has a thick and quality feel to it and they are very affordable to. This one has a nice big Arctic type peek around the hood. The sizes are in centimetres (CM) mine is 180/104 the first part, 180 is your height / and the 104 is your chest. 👍
@friendofcoal they are a common as muck. Just Google, British army combat jacket mtp. There are plenty to choose from. Just make sure it's genuine, the condition you want, and the sizes are in cm. I'm 180-104. That means "you're hight"-- "you're chest." generally a large. I've discovered a better waterproofing agent, it's called fabsil, you may want to look that up. I have a video on that as well. Hope this helps 👍
I had a great bit of kit arktis swat shirt. Guys in regiment used them. New design no pockets at chest ruin a great bit of kit. Check it out Special forces test great kit
Good to see you in Grwynne Fawr Andy. The last time we were in there we actually said it could do with a new stove. And they put one in. Now, I think the test proved one thing. If you were out for a whole day or even two it would not fair that well. Alright for a few K in shit weather but then it penetrates. A good test though I must say. All the best. Mark
Yer, I'm almost done with these rain tests mark. I think the key to this sort of jacket without doubt is have a woolly Tshirt and a woolly jumper under neath minimum, you could add a short gortex mac as a bonus. Wool is an unbeatable material, literally a life saver that is part of the world and can take on the world's weather for you. 🐑🐑🤘
@@tomhickman1006 hi Tom, yes I do recommend it but I need to tell you that it will only be waterproof for about 1 hour in hard rain then the beeding of the water starts to sink in. It's more shower proof to be honest. If your entering the back country or on the mountains then I recommend you don't rely on it being waterproof. Wear something woolly underneath and or a light waterproof jacket underneath or a poncho over it. Don't put your life in this jackets hands,
The wax is by, fjallraven. Called Greenland wax. Rub it on dry and hard, then melt it in with a hair dryer. It's OK These days, my jackets are waterproofed with fabsil. You spray it on with a spray bottle, but it smells, and you have to leave it to air in a garage or shed for about 3 or 4 days. But the smell will go in the end. Hope this helps, and thanks for the compliment 😊
The wax I used is "fjallraven Greenland wax" but you could use any wax I think. I made a video on how to wax a jacket called "How to wax a bushcraft jacket" and the method in that video is the same method with all my videos like the one you seen. There are other methods of waxing a jacket but I have never tried them so I don't know weather they are better or not. Hope this helps you out Sean 🤘
I've just bought one of these jacket's Army surplus grade 1. I intend to use it as a three season jacket for hiking and was thinking about using Fabsil to waterproof it, but you said you used a wax, what was it that you used?? cheers
In that video I used wax melted in with a hair dryer. I've reasantly discovered fabsil and so far I think it's better than wax. I did a video on the M65 jacket that was fabsil coated and it was quite good. It smells when you put it on so best to dry it in a garage or shed but eventually bring it in the house and when it's dry it won't smell at all.
Hi Andy. Great vid,bought one of these coats last summer,and havnt used it in bad weather yet, but as normal,down here in Somerset, it will probably end up raining. Is there a type of spray that I could possibly water proof it with,as I can imagine, it would be an easier application. All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧
Yer, I've discovered fabsil and it's quite good. I done a video with the m65 rambo jacket in the rain with "fabsil gold" sprayed on it. The results were good. That video should give you an idea of how to apply and the results. I bought a 5 litre can of the stuff, half a litre would do 1 jacket.
Yer, that's the way it goes. As long as you don't sweat. I've moved over to fabsil waterproofer, I've done all my jackets in this. I find that it's quite good 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty well let's pray for them that they won't put us together in the institution. Recently acquired a German made SF smock from sabre. It didn't come with a DWR coating so off to get wax I go. Very versatile piece of kit and if you're keen on the model, I'd get one while stock lasts as they're no longer produced and well worth it. Side pockets do not fit a BCB canteen mug and bottle together however does snugly fit the canteen or comfortably one 1L Nalgene and a titanium cup for nesting. For a proper recce/fighting load I'd sow in suspenders or an H harness to carry the load. Well enough rambling for me, off to the gym I go. Have a good day.
What would you say to adding a thermal liner to the inside of one of these smocks? I’ve got one of these in a size too tall which makes it more of a parka really. I’ve dyed it forest green, but I’ve been thinking I might try waxing it too or maybe some further modifications like a woolly or furry liner.
I would go for the woolly liner because even if it's waxed it will make it waterproof for a while but if in it for a long time the rain will get in, in the end, it's not the same as a proper waterproof jacket and wool would save the day. What I would do is have the wool liner capable of being removed or just wear a wool jumper underneath like I did and take that worthless mesh over the shoulders out and replace it with another sown in layer, maybe of a waterproof material. Actually when writing this It gave me the idea of looking into this because it's a really great jacket but the mesh does nothing, cheers for that Daniel 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty it’s possible that my one is a temperate variant as it doesn’t have that area of mesh and seems to have a few additional places with a double layer. The label says “SMOCK 2, COMBAT, WINDPROOF, MTP”.
@@danielmarsden4573 yer mine is a temperate jacket but our jackets were made at different times along the production so you've got the better upgraded one I think so it's only me that's got to spend money in sorting it out.
@@danielmarsden4573 I have the smock gen 2 version same as yours no mesh I am dyeing it forest green to tone down the MTP and make it less military looking,and I am going to give it a Nikwax cotton proof treatment hopefully for a little bit of repelency {shower proof}.Did some other stuff with the dylon forest green and got good results hope fully the smock will be a similar result.
Yes it's true. You need to understand they are in places where they need to be undetected I suppose. The average soldier like myself wouldn't need to do that but believe me if we had to we would, it's just another dirty job to do, basic training puts you through hard disciplines for the soul purpose of making sure you can carry out and do the most uncomfortable things. The ones that fail have boundaries and limitations to what they would do. Squaddies are not always nice people. I'm just an oldie now enjoying making videos and have something to show and say because I've done a fair amount of dirt time. That's time in the field not shlting in a bag. 🤣👍
It's not gortex. It's actually a mix blend of polyester and cotton. That jacket is now waterproofed with fabsil, which is a little better than wax, I think.
I might just do that, also get rid of that mesh on the inside over the shoulders and replace it with another layer of material. Hope you enjoyed the video bill.👍
in the early 80's when i was in ,,there was a fashion for rubbing motor oil on the old dpm gear lol stank to hell and you were better off getting soaked
@@billrand4138 heard mixed reviews of this product some people are also suggesting another nikwax product thats for horse rugs but apparently does same job as the cotton proof not sure why or what the differences are.
@xix94 I had the same experience when I was in the army. The jacket issued after the 68 pattern, I'm not sure what pattern it was, but it was my second one in the late 1980s, it was cheap, and had false belowed pockets which could be ripped off with your hands. It was a lot worse than the one in the video. I'm glad to say it wasn't continued. Better ones came out in the mid 1990s. I hope you enjoyed the video 🙂
So this is the non-mvp (goretex substitute) version? Basically just a smock which naturally resists some rain? Looks pretty sweet cause goretex sucks lol
It has a high-quality feel to it, and for that, it's worth the cost I think, though I get the feeling it's more suited for skiing in dry snow. We both got a battering, and the poor desert boots got even more of a hammering. Hope you enjoyed the video ryaniam22 👍
Love your videos man. I often hike for 8-10 hours per day, so I bring a fully waterproof Polyuretan minimalistic jacket with no pockets, a hood and zips under the arms for airing out damp. The weight of that is about 600 grams. Then I have a light wind jacket that transports moisture well. It works so-so in close to zero celsius, but one idea I had was to bring an extra fleece in the pack just to get a few more comfortable hours in the rain. On ski trips in the snow I use 100% cotton anorak.
Sounds like you have more fun than me ☺️. There's one thing I always do when out on the hills or anywhere in any season. Apart from what I think I should wear, it's one extra layer just in case. In terrible condition, it feels safe to know that I'm one step ahead in this world. Most of the time, I don't use it, but it's always there, and an assurance that keeps me away from trouble. You just can't trust the weather. The MTP smock in this video is now waterproofed with fabsil, which is a good waterproof agent, and it's less laborious to apply. thanks for the compliment 👍
This is amazing! I love your videos💯😎😎
Waw, thanks Cindy Y 🌷💯
Great talk keep it up 👍👍
Cheers Maxine 💜☮🤘
Awesome, thank you for the review!
Thanks 👍
Same when I wore mine on longmoor ranges. I hadn’t been given a waterproof buffalo jacket like everyone else and just had the smock. It was cats and dogs. At the end of the day my shoulders were only mildly damp and that was with no waxing or waterproofing and the smock was warm and comfy. It also kept me warm in the back of an A400 at 30,000 ft when I had no thermal layer, just t-shirt jacket and the smock. When bits of kit look after you like that, you get attached to them. I’ll definitely keep mine when I go outside.
Nice one George, yer, you definitely get attached to gear that works and lasts 👍
Sorry Andy if you have answered this question before but did you use the Fjallraven Greenland wax on this jacket one layer or two, It appears to have done a very good job.Watched your jacket waxing video quite a laborious task but the results are quite impressive on this particular jacket you gave it quite a severe test for sure.
No worries. I'm pretty sure I just put the 1 layer on because it's a very tight-knit material and very windproof. These days, my jackets are waterproofed with #fabsil . They both do a good job, but fabsil is easier to spray on.
I want to get the British MTP smock to add to my collection as well. It looks fantastic, especially in the Fall and Spring. I love the British woodland DPM one I have. Maybe I'm a strange one, but I love these walking around the trails and woods while in the rain videos. Maybe you could review proper surplus rain kit in the future too. Great stuff, Andy!!!!
It's a really good jacket John, it's worth getting this modern type, it has a thick and quality feel to it and they are very affordable to. This one has a nice big Arctic type peek around the hood. The sizes are in centimetres (CM) mine is 180/104 the first part, 180 is your height / and the 104 is your chest. 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty Good review. Where is a good place to get one of these? (I'm a little on the large/thick/stocky side)
@friendofcoal they are a common as muck. Just Google, British army combat jacket mtp. There are plenty to choose from. Just make sure it's genuine, the condition you want, and the sizes are in cm. I'm 180-104. That means "you're hight"-- "you're chest." generally a large. I've discovered a better waterproofing agent, it's called fabsil, you may want to look that up. I have a video on that as well. Hope this helps 👍
I had a great bit of kit arktis swat shirt. Guys in regiment used them. New design no pockets at chest ruin a great bit of kit. Check it out
Special forces test great kit
Good to see you in Grwynne Fawr Andy. The last time we were in there we actually said it could do with a new stove. And they put one in. Now, I think the test proved one thing. If you were out for a whole day or even two it would not fair that well. Alright for a few K in shit weather but then it penetrates. A good test though I must say. All the best. Mark
Yer, I'm almost done with these rain tests mark. I think the key to this sort of jacket without doubt is have a woolly Tshirt and a woolly jumper under neath minimum, you could add a short gortex mac as a bonus. Wool is an unbeatable material, literally a life saver that is part of the world and can take on the world's weather for you. 🐑🐑🤘
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty I'm from the USA, I have this smock.
Would you recommend waxing this smock like you did the other smocks for these conditions?
@@tomhickman1006 hi Tom, yes I do recommend it but I need to tell you that it will only be waterproof for about 1 hour in hard rain then the beeding of the water starts to sink in. It's more shower proof to be honest. If your entering the back country or on the mountains then I recommend you don't rely on it being waterproof. Wear something woolly underneath and or a light waterproof jacket underneath or a poncho over it. Don't put your life in this jackets hands,
@@Andy-walkaboutnuttyAndy,
Thank you,
Great vid bruv, just bought one of these. What did you wax it with?
The wax is by, fjallraven. Called Greenland wax. Rub it on dry and hard, then melt it in with a hair dryer. It's OK
These days, my jackets are waterproofed with fabsil. You spray it on with a spray bottle, but it smells, and you have to leave it to air in a garage or shed for about 3 or 4 days. But the smell will go in the end. Hope this helps, and thanks for the compliment 😊
Good video. It's been a while since I've been up there! Please can you say what did you wax the smock with? Any pro tips for doing the waxing?
The wax I used is "fjallraven Greenland wax" but you could use any wax I think. I made a video on how to wax a jacket called "How to wax a bushcraft jacket" and the method in that video is the same method with all my videos like the one you seen. There are other methods of waxing a jacket but I have never tried them so I don't know weather they are better or not. Hope this helps you out Sean 🤘
I've just bought one of these jacket's Army surplus grade 1. I intend to use it as a three season jacket for hiking and was thinking about using Fabsil to waterproof it, but you said you used a wax, what was it that you used?? cheers
In that video I used wax melted in with a hair dryer. I've reasantly discovered fabsil and so far I think it's better than wax. I did a video on the M65 jacket that was fabsil coated and it was quite good. It smells when you put it on so best to dry it in a garage or shed but eventually bring it in the house and when it's dry it won't smell at all.
Hi Andy.
Great vid,bought one of these coats last summer,and havnt used it in bad weather yet, but as normal,down here in Somerset, it will probably end up raining.
Is there a type of spray that I could possibly water proof it with,as I can imagine, it would be an easier application.
All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧
Yer, I've discovered fabsil and it's quite good. I done a video with the m65 rambo jacket in the rain with "fabsil gold" sprayed on it. The results were good. That video should give you an idea of how to apply and the results. I bought a 5 litre can of the stuff, half a litre would do 1 jacket.
It's thick material and not as nice as sas smock thin and light etc
What waxing???
I waxed mine as you describe, I had to do it twice but yes this made it waterproof…but no longer breathable.
Yer, that's the way it goes. As long as you don't sweat. I've moved over to fabsil waterproofer, I've done all my jackets in this. I find that it's quite good 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty I did wonder about fabsil Andy, I might give that a go have you a fabsil treatment video out?
@@soldier-Dave yes, I've got a video on how to apply it, and I've done some videos testing it in the rain.
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty thank you I go hunt that down now!
How to waterproof a ventile jacket with fabsil gold
Escaped from the institution again 😂 instant like
Escape and evasion is my specialised subject 😉 glad you enjoyed the video 💯
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty well let's pray for them that they won't put us together in the institution.
Recently acquired a German made SF smock from sabre. It didn't come with a DWR coating so off to get wax I go.
Very versatile piece of kit and if you're keen on the model, I'd get one while stock lasts as they're no longer produced and well worth it.
Side pockets do not fit a BCB canteen mug and bottle together however does snugly fit the canteen or comfortably one 1L Nalgene and a titanium cup for nesting.
For a proper recce/fighting load I'd sow in suspenders or an H harness to carry the load.
Well enough rambling for me, off to the gym I go.
Have a good day.
What would you say to adding a thermal liner to the inside of one of these smocks? I’ve got one of these in a size too tall which makes it more of a parka really. I’ve dyed it forest green, but I’ve been thinking I might try waxing it too or maybe some further modifications like a woolly or furry liner.
I would go for the woolly liner because even if it's waxed it will make it waterproof for a while but if in it for a long time the rain will get in, in the end, it's not the same as a proper waterproof jacket and wool would save the day. What I would do is have the wool liner capable of being removed or just wear a wool jumper underneath like I did and take that worthless mesh over the shoulders out and replace it with another sown in layer, maybe of a waterproof material. Actually when writing this It gave me the idea of looking into this because it's a really great jacket but the mesh does nothing, cheers for that Daniel 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty it’s possible that my one is a temperate variant as it doesn’t have that area of mesh and seems to have a few additional places with a double layer. The label says “SMOCK 2, COMBAT, WINDPROOF, MTP”.
@@danielmarsden4573 yer mine is a temperate jacket but our jackets were made at different times along the production so you've got the better upgraded one I think so it's only me that's got to spend money in sorting it out.
@@danielmarsden4573 I have the smock gen 2 version same as yours no mesh I am dyeing it forest green to tone down the MTP and make it less military looking,and I am going to give it a Nikwax cotton proof treatment hopefully for a little bit of repelency {shower proof}.Did some other stuff with the dylon forest green and got good results hope fully the smock will be a similar result.
@@stevebrand1619 neat, I’ve not gotten around to waxing mine yet, I suppose I ought to get round to it now the days are getting colder
You should fadseal it it will be great good video 👍
Just looked it up, sounds interesting 👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty it's good stuff
Is it true about 💩 in bags I was told it's done with special forces all is it a wind up 🤔😱🤫
Yes it's true. You need to understand they are in places where they need to be undetected I suppose. The average soldier like myself wouldn't need to do that but believe me if we had to we would, it's just another dirty job to do, basic training puts you through hard disciplines for the soul purpose of making sure you can carry out and do the most uncomfortable things. The ones that fail have boundaries and limitations to what they would do. Squaddies are not always nice people. I'm just an oldie now enjoying making videos and have something to show and say because I've done a fair amount of dirt time. That's time in the field not shlting in a bag. 🤣👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty oioi! Maxine...hold this open for me love xx good girl lol Andy get the camera
@@Andy-walkaboutnuttyfemale soldiers shitting in bag
I waxed my smock and it's even better.
The music is better than your bagpipe playing
Not gortex or similar
It's not gortex. It's actually a mix blend of polyester and cotton. That jacket is now waterproofed with fabsil, which is a little better than wax, I think.
wash in nikwax cotton proof much better
I might just do that, also get rid of that mesh on the inside over the shoulders and replace it with another layer of material. Hope you enjoyed the video bill.👍
@@Andy-walkaboutnutty yep good stuff mate :),, the nikwax is a lot easier to apply thats why i mentioned it and a lot less messy lol
in the early 80's when i was in ,,there was a fashion for rubbing motor oil on the old dpm gear lol stank to hell and you were better off getting soaked
@@billrand4138 heard mixed reviews of this product some people are also suggesting another nikwax product thats for horse rugs but apparently does same job as the cotton proof not sure why or what the differences are.
Looks like it will last you for years!
The way it feels it probably will. Like I said, it's a lot of jacket for what you pay.
The mtp stuff is China's crap when I was in the army they where terrible 😂
@xix94 I had the same experience when I was in the army. The jacket issued after the 68 pattern, I'm not sure what pattern it was, but it was my second one in the late 1980s, it was cheap, and had false belowed pockets which could be ripped off with your hands. It was a lot worse than the one in the video. I'm glad to say it wasn't continued. Better ones came out in the mid 1990s. I hope you enjoyed the video 🙂
So this is the non-mvp (goretex substitute) version? Basically just a smock which naturally resists some rain? Looks pretty sweet cause goretex sucks lol
It has a high-quality feel to it, and for that, it's worth the cost I think, though I get the feeling it's more suited for skiing in dry snow. We both got a battering, and the poor desert boots got even more of a hammering. Hope you enjoyed the video ryaniam22 👍
Gortex etal sux ??