Ridiculously impressive, both the analysis and the cover. Clearly this "person" is some sort of cosmic music theory elemental that keeps growing in strength at an exponential rate, soon it'll be too powerful to stop and all of reality will collapse into an infinitely nested tuplet.
My friend is a drummer and went to a show where they were an opener and as a big music theory nut he was blown away while everyone around him didn't understand. He sent me this way and I gotta say their music is something else. Forget math rock, this is wild.
Thank you for doing the real hard work of bringing the elegance and complexities of our favorite metal bands into the academic world. I would imagine it is very difficult at times to write for readers primed to see your work as a novelty or less than just because it's metal. I hope that people such as yourself will become more common in academia as time goes on. Cheers!
Thank you so much for what you do. You are one of the only guys on TH-cam smart enough to handle this stuff, along with Yogev Gabay. But you go so in depth there literally isn’t anyone doing what you do. It’s super interesting how you didn’t realize that intro pattern repeats until you edited the video. That’s what I love about Car Bomb is how all their riffs tie together, and how they manipulate a single pattern so many different ways and Elliot (drummer) gives them different feels. I show your vids to all my musician friends , must spread the gospel of Metal Music Theory.
Mind melting for sure. One of the most impressive things is the "irrational" sections are being played live without a click, and it does make one wonder how much of it is "brute memorization" on their part. They've been playing together so long that it tends to happen; going off feel alone, that could be assumed in a lot of parts.
Yaaaaas. Also worth mentioning is the amazing mix. On of my favorite mixed albums. The kick drum is punchy and awesome. Guitars are mid heavy and perfect. I too got a lot of help in recreating Greg's crazy weird fx from John mor once I got my axe fx Do more Intronaut stuff too please
@@bassheadjazz2708 idk, Mordial’s mix is so sick. It’s almost comical how loud Greg’s guitar his haha, but I absolutely love it. But the mix on Meta is amazing.
this is so impressive I have no idea what to say. i’ve never seen someone really break down car bomb and explain it as good as you did. i’ve seen john mor too but my brain is melted after watching this and probably will have to again to process it but it please make more Car Bomb videos!
This is absolutely mental and so cool. One thing to feel it and just enjoy and totally a voyage to another planet to take it apart and actually understand. Amazing work dude!
Thank you! It's been months and every step of the way I was like ok, I'll just play each section on its own slow... then I thought ok I'll play it at tempo but no effects... then I was like ok I'll figure out the effects... then I was like well damn I guess I'm doing a full playthrough haha. Such a short song but so many really tricky things!
I talked to their manager years ago (pre-Meta) and he told me that Car Bomb plays without click live. This makes a lot more sense to me now given how they break the grid.
It’s nuts to me how tight they are despite not playing to a click in the studio or live. Goes to show how pro those guys are at what they do. It makes sense though, imagine creating a custom click track to actually follow those songs
This is so therapeutic after a day of listening to a carpenters job site radio play country music all day. Awesome video man! Isn't metal grand?! Love it!
Not sure if music instruction is in the cards for you (or if they are already!) but you do an amazing job of taking the inaccessiblly complex very easy to understand.
Awesome video! I had seen your presentation about Blackened Battery and was delighted when I randomly decided to search Car Bomb and scroll down to find this. On the day it was published no less! Easy sub from me :D
Ok, so I actually only just finished the video and that outro remix playing over the patreon roll was sick. You don't happen to have an extended version of that uploaded somewhere do you? 👀
Thanks so much! And no that's the whole thing right now, someday I'll collect all these little thought experiment outros I've made and put them somewhere. Glad you like it, I spend more time on them than I like to admit...
Man, I love learning all about the technical stuff under the hood that goes on with this bands songs. These guys made me trip down into the music theory rabbit hole 😅 Can't get enough of 'em! Good job on that playthrough man 🔥
Thank you for showing some love to one of my absolute favorite bands 🙏 As a new viewer I'm really excited to dig more into your work and hopefully discover some new music on the way. Also I'm curious if you've listened much to The Zenith Passage? The closing riff from their song "The Tenebrous Veil" utilizes a PPTM from a 4/4 32nd feel into a compound-triplet 5/2 feel and it has lived in my head rent free for like 5yrs now. Would love to hear your thoughts on something from them sometime 🤘
Some say that MMT is an NPC put on this planet by God to explain advanced rhythmic concepts to humanity. I think his dialogue animation needs patching though...
Wow kudos to you for figuring this stuff out. While I love many of Car Bomb's songs, I tend to feel that some of their stuff is entering complexity for the sake of complexity territory. Though, I guess it's better to be miles outside of the box than caged and bound within one like so many artists.
I felt that way but then I just kept coming back for more, and upon further listens I started to hear the underlying structure of their music. It’s definitely not for everyone and I can totally understand your opinion .
@@Max_Payn3 Interesting.. could you give an example of this perhaps? I don't at all mind unorthodox song structure if that's what you meant; my favourite album still has to be The Fall of Troy's Doppelganger. I just feel like when you convolute rhythmic arrangement this much, you can end up with music that doesn't exactly flow organically.. but maybe its a personal thing.
@@divinasi0n I also absolutely love The Fall of Troy that’s an all time great album . I do agree the songs don’t “flow” in a traditional sense but that’s kind of their schtick. Awkward mechanical weirdo music . Some example of their more straight forward songs would be Lower the Blade, Secrets Within, Gratitude, Finish It, Scattered Sprites. Those are the ones that I can think off the top of my head . Props to you for really giving it a chance. I kind of hated them when I first heard them lol, but the more I listened to other bands the more I realized what Car Bomb does is entirely unique to them and they started growing on me . I’m a big fan of Meshuggah as well and aside from that band, this whole rhythmic off kilter type of sound is really under explored and for good reason. It kind of intentionally defies and manipulates what people traditionally like about music which is a good beat , Car Bombs music almost sounds like somebody messing up when they play but it’s intentional. Their drummer Elliot Hoffman is by far one of the sickest and out there drummers
@@Max_Payn3 Yeah awkward mechanical music is an apt description 😅 it makes sense that you went on to list Meshuggah as a favorite as its also definitely _their_ shtick. I am familiar with the songs you mentioned with Gratitude being my favourite CB track. Maybe I'm just missing the "Meshuggah gene.." just like how Finn Mckenty of The Punk Rock NBA channel (if you know who that is) says you need the "weedily weedily gene" to like the chaotic guitar melodies of bands like TFOT 😅 I adore the sound of a distorted 7 string but maybe its just the endless atonal chugging is a bit monotonous.. music is very subjective though... And yeah Elliott is a freak of nature for sure.
Would you please share some of your favorite songs that include this 'pulse preserving tactus modulation'? I really like songs that use this cymbal technique to chop time up and fool me into believing it is a faster tempo. For reference, I'm a fan of The Dillinger Escape Plan and Vildhjarta.
How many of the bands do you talk about do you think fully conceptualize what they are doing in music theory terms? Or are they just doing it kind of intuitively?
That's the big question! I'm hoping to answer it in a lot more depth in my dissertation research, but I think there's probably a mix of bands who do think in these terms, bands who think in equivalent terms but use different words/visualizations, and bands who legitimately do things by feel, all mixed in with the tendency for a lot of bands to downplay the role of theory in writing their music (because theory seems nerdy and they don't want to seem nerdy or pretentious, because they leave theory behind once they've written it and played it a million times, because they don't think people are interested in it, other reasons).
Quite sure theres economy picking in the verus, idk but to me it feels more natural to have double down strokes at times, helps with the timing and dynamic bounce, by all means keep the up stroke, but yeah i'd say it's alternative picking with double down stroke slipped in ( guess it's not really economy since it's on one string not multiple, but thats just how i think of alternate picking with the random double down stroke in a row, kinda takes away the actually benefit of reducing movement while picking, but gives an economic advantage in a rhythmic aspect, as you just reset your hand to the down stroke position, which is altho awkward at first, it becomes quite natural feeling trying to play that caveman riff style, rather than having to think " i need to end with an extra up stroke". these riffs are clearly meant to be fun to play, i think the minute you have over think it, your over complicating it. chug chug chug out of key chug fast chugdua lmao the other give away is when he hits the low opens super hard held out notes in the pauses, it goes slightly out of tune, indicating it's smashing that string with a massive down stroke. makes that big doooow sound as it falls back to the correct pitch.
I actually find this a trend when i try play along by ear to car bomb, it's often either all down or alternate with some economy stuff thrown in there, like two or three down strokes in a row thrown in the alternate sections, think that's how it accents and shifts the riffs over the beat, a vey cave man like kind of economy picking, far from a sweep, but then the leads turn in up stroke 3 or 4 string sweeps in those harmonic sounding scrapes off the back of down up bounce
Ridiculously impressive, both the analysis and the cover. Clearly this "person" is some sort of cosmic music theory elemental that keeps growing in strength at an exponential rate, soon it'll be too powerful to stop and all of reality will collapse into an infinitely nested tuplet.
My friend is a drummer and went to a show where they were an opener and as a big music theory nut he was blown away while everyone around him didn't understand. He sent me this way and I gotta say their music is something else. Forget math rock, this is wild.
Thank you for doing the real hard work of bringing the elegance and complexities of our favorite metal bands into the academic world. I would imagine it is very difficult at times to write for readers primed to see your work as a novelty or less than just because it's metal. I hope that people such as yourself will become more common in academia as time goes on. Cheers!
Sick job mate, and a great play through at the end. That song is harder than it looks,, you nailed the right hand stuff 💪💪
Thanks bruh
Thank you so much for what you do. You are one of the only guys on TH-cam smart enough to handle this stuff, along with Yogev Gabay. But you go so in depth there literally isn’t anyone doing what you do. It’s super interesting how you didn’t realize that intro pattern repeats until you edited the video. That’s what I love about Car Bomb is how all their riffs tie together, and how they manipulate a single pattern so many different ways and Elliot (drummer) gives them different feels. I show your vids to all my musician friends , must spread the gospel of Metal Music Theory.
Thank you so much!
Mind melting for sure. One of the most impressive things is the "irrational" sections are being played live without a click, and it does make one wonder how much of it is "brute memorization" on their part. They've been playing together so long that it tends to happen; going off feel alone, that could be assumed in a lot of parts.
playing to a drummer is easier than playing to a click man.
@@JAYg33t4r Okay
Yaaaaas. Also worth mentioning is the amazing mix. On of my favorite mixed albums. The kick drum is punchy and awesome. Guitars are mid heavy and perfect.
I too got a lot of help in recreating Greg's crazy weird fx from John mor once I got my axe fx Do more Intronaut stuff too please
Thanks for the mention mate! The mix is one of my favorite mixes of all time too 😎
Yes! I almost wish Mordial had the same mix.
@@bassheadjazz2708 idk, Mordial’s mix is so sick. It’s almost comical how loud Greg’s guitar his haha, but I absolutely love it. But the mix on Meta is amazing.
this is so impressive I have no idea what to say. i’ve never seen someone really break down car bomb and explain it as good as you did. i’ve seen john mor too but my brain is melted after watching this and probably will have to again to process it but it please make more Car Bomb videos!
Thank you for that "pew pew pew to you", made me laugh and smile like a stupid, i really needed it🖤
one of my favorite songs of all time, right up there with Infinite Sun. it feels more like a dramatic story than a "mathcore song."
This is absolutely mental and so cool. One thing to feel it and just enjoy and totally a voyage to another planet to take it apart and actually understand. Amazing work dude!
Man, i love your analysis and sense of humor.
Holy shit dude. This was amazing, thank you!!
Absolutely cracking video, mindblowing that you did the full playthrough at the end! :O
Thank you! It's been months and every step of the way I was like ok, I'll just play each section on its own slow... then I thought ok I'll play it at tempo but no effects... then I was like ok I'll figure out the effects... then I was like well damn I guess I'm doing a full playthrough haha. Such a short song but so many really tricky things!
@@metalmusictheory5401 hehe, I know how it is. Each step feels like you've already done 50 percent of the work, so how much more can it be? 😉
Your channel is amazing, a treasure-trove. Thank you for sharing your intelligence.
I talked to their manager years ago (pre-Meta) and he told me that Car Bomb plays without click live. This makes a lot more sense to me now given how they break the grid.
No click in studio either
It’s nuts to me how tight they are despite not playing to a click in the studio or live. Goes to show how pro those guys are at what they do. It makes sense though, imagine creating a custom click track to actually follow those songs
haha I've done an approximation of it and it's not fun (check out the MIDI re-creation I did of this song)
@@metalmusictheory5401 yeah
This is so therapeutic after a day of listening to a carpenters job site radio play country music all day. Awesome video man! Isn't metal grand?! Love it!
Well done!!!!! Awesome breakdown of the track! and great playing :]
Not sure if music instruction is in the cards for you (or if they are already!) but you do an amazing job of taking the inaccessiblly complex very easy to understand.
Thank you! And yep it's my main gig, and the way things are going it will be my career!
Awesome video! I had seen your presentation about Blackened Battery and was delighted when I randomly decided to search Car Bomb and scroll down to find this. On the day it was published no less! Easy sub from me :D
Ok, so I actually only just finished the video and that outro remix playing over the patreon roll was sick. You don't happen to have an extended version of that uploaded somewhere do you? 👀
Thanks so much! And no that's the whole thing right now, someday I'll collect all these little thought experiment outros I've made and put them somewhere. Glad you like it, I spend more time on them than I like to admit...
Man, I love learning all about the technical stuff under the hood that goes on with this bands songs. These guys made me trip down into the music theory rabbit hole 😅 Can't get enough of 'em! Good job on that playthrough man 🔥
Thank you for showing some love to one of my absolute favorite bands 🙏
As a new viewer I'm really excited to dig more into your work and hopefully discover some new music on the way. Also I'm curious if you've listened much to The Zenith Passage? The closing riff from their song "The Tenebrous Veil" utilizes a PPTM from a 4/4 32nd feel into a compound-triplet 5/2 feel and it has lived in my head rent free for like 5yrs now. Would love to hear your thoughts on something from them sometime 🤘
Some say that MMT is an NPC put on this planet by God to explain advanced rhythmic concepts to humanity. I think his dialogue animation needs patching though...
Dank ass shirt “Step by step”
interesting analysis and great playthrough man
Excellent job. This band is like a Rubik’s cube of theory.
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I will not calm down!
That is within your rights
pew pew pew to you aswell
god damn man... killer as always
Pew pew pew pew pew
You are a genius
no you
Wow kudos to you for figuring this stuff out. While I love many of Car Bomb's songs, I tend to feel that some of their stuff is entering complexity for the sake of complexity territory. Though, I guess it's better to be miles outside of the box than caged and bound within one like so many artists.
I felt that way but then I just kept coming back for more, and upon further listens I started to hear the underlying structure of their music. It’s definitely not for everyone and I can totally understand your opinion .
@@Max_Payn3 Interesting.. could you give an example of this perhaps? I don't at all mind unorthodox song structure if that's what you meant; my favourite album still has to be The Fall of Troy's Doppelganger. I just feel like when you convolute rhythmic arrangement this much, you can end up with music that doesn't exactly flow organically.. but maybe its a personal thing.
@@divinasi0n I also absolutely love The Fall of Troy that’s an all time great album . I do agree the songs don’t “flow” in a traditional sense but that’s kind of their schtick. Awkward mechanical weirdo music . Some example of their more straight forward songs would be Lower the Blade, Secrets Within, Gratitude, Finish It, Scattered Sprites. Those are the ones that I can think off the top of my head . Props to you for really giving it a chance. I kind of hated them when I first heard them lol, but the more I listened to other bands the more I realized what Car Bomb does is entirely unique to them and they started growing on me . I’m a big fan of Meshuggah as well and aside from that band, this whole rhythmic off kilter type of sound is really under explored and for good reason. It kind of intentionally defies and manipulates what people traditionally like about music which is a good beat , Car Bombs music almost sounds like somebody messing up when they play but it’s intentional. Their drummer Elliot Hoffman is by far one of the sickest and out there drummers
@@Max_Payn3 Yeah awkward mechanical music is an apt description 😅 it makes sense that you went on to list Meshuggah as a favorite as its also definitely _their_ shtick. I am familiar with the songs you mentioned with Gratitude being my favourite CB track. Maybe I'm just missing the "Meshuggah gene.." just like how Finn Mckenty of The Punk Rock NBA channel (if you know who that is) says you need the "weedily weedily gene" to like the chaotic guitar melodies of bands like TFOT 😅 I adore the sound of a distorted 7 string but maybe its just the endless atonal chugging is a bit monotonous.. music is very subjective though...
And yeah Elliott is a freak of nature for sure.
I Uploaded a drum cover of Secrets Within literally yesterday. crazy timing haha
you have to do downward bending in the intro groove, thats why it sounds dope
Would you please share some of your favorite songs that include this 'pulse preserving tactus modulation'? I really like songs that use this cymbal technique to chop time up and fool me into believing it is a faster tempo. For reference, I'm a fan of The Dillinger Escape Plan and Vildhjarta.
It would be cool for the most nerds here to keep the scores also on screen, maybe You can put both things. Either way, awesome work, thank you.
I tried it but I thought it made things too cluttered-link to the full score follower video in the description, and the pdf is on my website!
Ive got a headache now...and can't seem to count passed three...🤣
How many of the bands do you talk about do you think fully conceptualize what they are doing in music theory terms? Or are they just doing it kind of intuitively?
I wonder the same
Check out their drummer's youtube page. He's obsessed with theory
That's the big question! I'm hoping to answer it in a lot more depth in my dissertation research, but I think there's probably a mix of bands who do think in these terms, bands who think in equivalent terms but use different words/visualizations, and bands who legitimately do things by feel, all mixed in with the tendency for a lot of bands to downplay the role of theory in writing their music (because theory seems nerdy and they don't want to seem nerdy or pretentious, because they leave theory behind once they've written it and played it a million times, because they don't think people are interested in it, other reasons).
Quite sure theres economy picking in the verus, idk but to me it feels more natural to have double down strokes at times, helps with the timing and dynamic bounce, by all means keep the up stroke, but yeah i'd say it's alternative picking with double down stroke slipped in ( guess it's not really economy since it's on one string not multiple, but thats just how i think of alternate picking with the random double down stroke in a row, kinda takes away the actually benefit of reducing movement while picking, but gives an economic advantage in a rhythmic aspect, as you just reset your hand to the down stroke position, which is altho awkward at first, it becomes quite natural feeling trying to play that caveman riff style, rather than having to think " i need to end with an extra up stroke". these riffs are clearly meant to be fun to play, i think the minute you have over think it, your over complicating it. chug chug chug out of key chug fast chugdua lmao
the other give away is when he hits the low opens super hard held out notes in the pauses, it goes slightly out of tune, indicating it's smashing that string with a massive down stroke. makes that big doooow sound as it falls back to the correct pitch.
I actually find this a trend when i try play along by ear to car bomb, it's often either all down or alternate with some economy stuff thrown in there, like two or three down strokes in a row thrown in the alternate sections, think that's how it accents and shifts the riffs over the beat, a vey cave man like kind of economy picking, far from a sweep, but then the leads turn in up stroke 3 or 4 string sweeps in those harmonic sounding scrapes off the back of down up bounce
love how he goes out of the key with the major triads in very wide intervals, sounds so cool with the drumming
Hey man do you listen to sleep terror at all? I feel like they would be perfect for this sort of video
in notation i think you should just leave the fuck out the meters they just take up place 😂