It really is IDGF about the Pac-12 TV deal. A majority of there fans are calling The Big 12 the truck stop conference. I don’t want any of them in the conference.
You wouldn't swap conferences for $2 million more. You would move for security before everyone else bolts the conference and for future TV deals in my opinion.
Yes and the fact that recruiting would dry up as recruits want actually play on TV to increase their NIL value. Can you imagine the talent level of the PAC football teams in 5 years if they take this deal?
what's forgotten is that the Big 10 and Pac 12 was not even going to play during the covid year, and that would have bankrupted the entire system, but the Big 12 and SEC saved the day by having the courage to play their schedule and season, and then the Big 10 and Pac 12 had to follow because of peer pressure. The Big 12 and SEC saved college football from the abyss
Don't forget Houston. This could be a dream league for basketball with Arizona, Gonzaga, Kansas, and Houston. Then Baylor won it all two years ago, Texas Tech has been in the Final Four. TCU, Kansas St and Iowa St are formidable Cincy and WVU have basketball history. Scary good league
Am convinced now that based on what I have gleaned that no PAC team is going to jump to the Big 12. Yes they will stay together even if it means taking less money.
pulling for the pac 10/12 to work out, but if not I would welcome those schools.. I simply like to see new matchups. I am looking forward to this new big 12, the conference is evenly matched power 5 schools and gonna be a fun conference to watch play out.
To believe that no one has opened discussions about options for PAC12 member, with all the uncertainty floating around is to say they must all be idiots. When things look rocky, or unstable you must know your realistic options.
If you are any Pac 12 school aside from Oregon and Washington, why would you want to be in the latters' league? Give me security and solid foundation in the Big 12 - provided there is an offer from that conference.
Remember you heard it here first, the PAC takes less money, streams most of their games but ESPN comes in at the last minute and pays the PAC peanuts to televise late night games,
"It's heavily dependent on (commissioner George Kliavkoff) and his team negotiating a good media deal for us to stay competitive". Am I the only person that heard that and went "OMG! They still don't have a deal yet that would allow them to be competitive!" My assumption before this was that they were close to a good deal and just negotiating for ways to make it better, which is what these guys are saying after reading that statement. So am I reading too much into this statement? Like Craig was saying, this is the first statement from a President that "cracks the door a little bit" and I can't see a President doing that if the PAC is pretty close to getting a competitive deal. To me this shows frustration that they still aren't that close to a deal.
That was before someone brought up the fact that the MLS pays Apple 60M per year just to get on the smallest streaming service in the US, and the contingent universities would be on the hook for not only the 50 M they owe Comcast, but also the 60M per year (or maybe more) they would be charged like the MLS. More money paid for less exposure.
How else is a radio show supposed to fill 3 hours about Big 12 talk? I am sure they are exhausted as well talkin about this but it brings in the ratings
@@Alohanate2004 David is the oldest. They do have him sitting in the big leather chair and it suits his purpose. Craig is the youngest on the left of the Table. Paul sits on the right. They used to crowd them up. Now they don't.
I think the 4 corner schools and any other potential candidates in the PAC-12 for Big12 expansion are waiting until April for the Big10 to decide whether they'll call up WA, OR, Stanford, and Cal. I think the 4 corners schools don't want to be the ones known for the PAC-12 dissolving.
I don't think the Big 12 wants more than the 4 Corner schools at this point, and I certainly don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford or Cal. By all indications, they only want Oregon and Washington and that at a reduced rate. The next round of expansion will be with the ACC implodes and the Big 12 will pick up 2-4 "leftovers".
That’s a good guess, OR may want the big to take OR state to keep that going and WA may want Wa state. May see six added to the Big 12, rest of the pac 12 folds and goes into the Mountain West or West Coast Conf.
@@scotttild Oregon State offers nothing to the PAC, B1G, or Big 12. Neither does WSU, Stanford, or Cal. There is a reason that every network but ESPN told the PAC they weren't interested paying to broadcast the PAC conference games and ESPN only wants one game a week. All of this in the age of NIL in recruiting and an open transfer portal. PAC fans seem to ignore that but the rest of the nation picked up on it.
As we guessed 9 months ago, the PAC12 will split up as soon as the B1G calls Oregon and Washington. Sure, there's a chance the 4 corner schools don't like the deal and decide not to wait for the B1G. That's a recent development, but I feel like it's clear now that this issue was over hyped. Our very first assumptions we made 9 months ago, were correct. Lol
I heard that the $$ maybe closer to 28-30 Million. However, with that being said, I heard that a lot of the Pac 12 will be streaming a good chunk of it's games and that the schools are responsible for the cost of streaming, which I heard was around 6-7 Million per school. IF (huge IF) that is true, the figure goes back to the "22 million a team", i.e. a shitty deal.
@@scotthamilton3469 I heard it is being negotiated higher than 22 million (28-30) but, again, the bottom line would be 22 millionish due to the schools having to pay for their streaming, which is an estimated 6-7 million per school. A shitty deal no matter how you slice it up.
I graduated from ASU with one of my degrees, President Crow has a personal, political alignment with the Left coast. It's a shame because he's transformed the university into a soulless factory that thinks of itself above it all. He's moving toward them holding the bag when the music stops. Without the LA market, how does he think this is going to go? Washington and Oregon aren't going to stand pat.
It’s not guaranteed that they’ll be in any time soon. I think the big target is ACC schools, I could see them pick up two more Pac schools for USC and UCLA, but that could be any of the combinations in Standford, Cal, Utah, Washington, and Oregon. B1G is really big on education and such, they’ve haven’t been performing at the SEC level by any means, and they’re brand is worth more than that of the SEC.
@@Alohanate2004 Well, it is reported that the streaming services will require the schools to produce games, as they will only stream what the school puts out, and that is estimated at $75 mil.
Football drives money and TV and Pac 12 just does not have enough. A full merger with the Big 12 is really the only way to go. If the Pac 12 does not merge its going to fold.
Not true. The 2 big networks don't want the two conferences to merge because there are x number of PAC 12 teams that are undesirable. The 4 corner schools either jump or they stay together and take less money. I say they take less money.
Does anyone think that if the PACifist 12 wouldn't have put themselves in this situation if they had extended their existing deals as the Big 12 did after TexU and nOU bailed? I think the big difference is that the Big 12 had new members lined up before the media rights extension, but I have a feeling that they're going to force the backfilling issue (read: hello, SMU and San Diego State) before *any* media rights holder agrees to a deal with the PACifist 12.
Given the (apparent) outcome of the Big 12'2 2016 beauty pageant that yielded no winner, it has been assumed that the only way the Big 12 could add value was to add other Power 5 programs. With the in mind I think most people ass/u/me that adding the Four Corners is a win/win. I don't believe that is the case. Given that much of the TV media/broadcast pie has been neatly carved up and put on full display, and given the public statements by Brett Yormark, it seems that spreading the Big 12 media/broadcast footprint over 4 times zones is maybe not as important as having the recruiting draw of the Big 10 or SEC, but it is nonetheless a very lucrative market ploy. Wit that in mind forget about 4 corners..Current Big 12 distribution is Eastern:3, Central 8, Mountain 1 Lets make it Eastern 4, Central 8, Mountain 2, Pacific 2 . This guarantees two Big 12 games in Eastern Time Zone, 4 in Central 1 in Mountain and 1 in Pacific Time Zone. I would prioritize the 4 additions as follows; (1) San Diego State, (2) Fresno State or UNLV, (3) FSU or ECU, (4) one of the Four Corner Schools (one not four). From a fan perspective (remaining 8 Big 12 schools) new venues of BYU, Cincinnati, ECU, Fresno State, Houston, San Diego State UNLV, UCF, USF, not only gives the Big 12 potential to maximize revenue across 4 times zones but I think it also re-energizes fan bases to explore new destinations, while giving BYU and Central Florida more localized scheduling partners.
This sounds like a bunch of political posturing. I am still saying the PAC12 won’t survive. ASU Pres. Crow is one of the huge problems with the PAC. He might go down with the ship and ASU with it. We live in Arizona, but all my kids (ASU Grads), said non of my grandkids will go to a PAC12 school.
If the remaining conference members do not join the big 12, PAC12 football will soon be like Big East football: going, going, gone. Any profitable media deal will require more exposure in the central and eastern time zones.
The issue I see for Zona... A good size of the student population and alumni are from California (18%). Cali is the largest amount of out-of-state students. Moving to the B12 will hurt their student applications undoubtedly. It'll be interesting to see the impact if they were to move.
@joseamaya4445 | I think so. Zona and ASU are basically full of kids who couldn't get into USC or UCLA. I doubt that kids would want to go to a school that didn't play teams in Cali.
@@joseamaya4445 Exactly, which is why the PAC is dying. So very few on the west coast are actually watching CFB on TV, which is why ESPN is the only network wiling to be a part of the TV partnership & that on a very limited basis.
It's not just about 2-3 million dollars more. Its also about being showcased on Fox and ESPN or being showcased on a streaming service. If streaming services were considered the superior route to go then The Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 would have agreements with streaming services in their overall Package. They don't, the only reason The PAC is entertaining such offers is because they cant get offers from the Networks that they would prefer to deal with. So, a $25-30 million dollar deal with a service like Apple + is not of equivalent value to a $25-30 million deal with the likes of Fox or ESPN, both of which had a deal with PAC and have decided they no longer wish to maintain that relationship. Talk about equivalent money numbers without any explanation of where that money comes from is simply put an insincere argument. It's cherry picking and incomplete.
In the end out of desperation the PAC will remain together, add SDSU and SMU and be paid peanuts by ESPN to air a few late night games. You can bet your dipper on it.
@@Alohanate2004 I don't know. All of this makes me seriously doubt all this academic talk. One conference is in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, has a nice TV deal, and will play on TV each week to help with recruiting in this age of NIL, while the other is not in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, supposedly about to announce a TV/streaming deal, and will only have 1, maybe 2 games a week on ESPN & 1 game a week streamed, which will seriously hinder recruiting in this age of NIL. If the ADs voted instead of the presidents, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
That’s because those two might be the only two getting full membership pay. I could be wrong, but it seems fox doesn’t want to pay extra for Utah, and maybe that’s the reason why Utah feels offended.
@@joseamaya4445 From what I hear Utah fanbase is just made that way. They are not the academic giant they claim to be. Kansas, BYU and Baylor all rank higher according to trusted international ranking sites ( all 3 US Ranking sites have been discredited due to the use of faulty metrics) and not having them with us doesn't make a lot of difference to me at least. They remain in the antagonism mode.
Sorry Big 12. It was a fun exercise but just unrealistic. NO POWER 5 team has left their conference to join the Big12. None. Money is one factor but there are others as well. However Big 12 schools have left for the Pac12, Big 10 and SEC. It goes the other way. Anyway, 365 Sports had fun speculating.
A Big 12 school left for the Pac-12, but it was just 1, that 1 was Colorado. Don't try to compare what the Pac-12 got to what the SEC and the Big Ten got. Pac-12 fans have absolutely no room to be arrogant when it can't even attract any kind of an audience despite being the only major conference in almost the entire western half of the country.
That was then, this is now, how the fact that almost no TV network wants to air PAC conference games goes so unnoticed to PAC fans is beyond me. If the PAC survives with this TV deal, it will be in worse shape in the next negotiation as recruiting will fade tremendously. Again, having half your games streamed instead of TV & not every game on TV is going to seriously cut into recruiting. Again, how do PAC fans not care about this?
@Scott Hamilton the original promise to the pac by George was 40 mill per team. Then, they got the 25 mill offer from ESPN. Everyone else said no. Then they separated the streaming, and the deal went to crap. 9 months later, the hopes and dreams are about to face reality.
Honestly, this topic is getting exhausting.
It really is IDGF about the Pac-12 TV deal. A majority of there fans are calling The Big 12 the truck stop conference. I don’t want any of them in the conference.
Don’t listen. It’s that simple.
It’s the offseason… not much else to talk about
It wasn't exhausting whenever the big 12 was on the hot seat for the last decade. Lol!
@@luciusc2 Isn't there some basketball tournament starting?
You wouldn't swap conferences for $2 million more. You would move for security before everyone else bolts the conference and for future TV deals in my opinion.
Yes and the fact that recruiting would dry up as recruits want actually play on TV to increase their NIL value. Can you imagine the talent level of the PAC football teams in 5 years if they take this deal?
what's forgotten is that the Big 10 and Pac 12 was not even going to play during the covid year, and that would have bankrupted the entire system, but the Big 12 and SEC saved the day by having the courage to play their schedule and season, and then the Big 10 and Pac 12 had to follow because of peer pressure. The Big 12 and SEC saved college football from the abyss
Don't forget Houston. This could be a dream league for basketball with Arizona, Gonzaga, Kansas, and Houston. Then Baylor won it all two years ago, Texas Tech has been in the Final Four. TCU, Kansas St and Iowa St are formidable Cincy and WVU have basketball history. Scary good league
Except football is what drives money not basketball unless you are the ACC with Duke and NC who bring in enough revenue for those schools.
Its pretty simple. What I heard is: The B12 is the back up plan.
If Zona is "forced" to the B12, they're go but its not their 1st choice
Am convinced now that based on what I have gleaned that no PAC team is going to jump to the Big 12. Yes they will stay together even if it means taking less money.
And Crow was the guy who thought Larry Scott would make a great commissioner.
pulling for the pac 10/12 to work out, but if not I would welcome those schools.. I simply like to see new matchups. I am looking forward to this new big 12, the conference is evenly matched power 5 schools and gonna be a fun conference to watch play out.
My guess is Big 12 taxes six pac 12 schools and the others find their way into the Mountain West or maybe Big 10.
To believe that no one has opened discussions about options for PAC12 member, with all the uncertainty floating around is to say they must all be idiots. When things look rocky, or unstable you must know your realistic options.
I think 20 schools is too big…I think 16 is a good number to make it profitable for all schools.
Agreed, but what 16 schools is the real question. Who gets the boot
Well said. USC was already gone
If you are any Pac 12 school aside from Oregon and Washington, why would you want to be in the latters' league? Give me security and solid foundation in the Big 12 - provided there is an offer from that conference.
There are too many variables for the Pac 12 staying together the amount per school to all streaming and unequal revenue
Remember you heard it here first, the PAC takes less money, streams most of their games but ESPN comes in at the last minute and pays the PAC peanuts to televise late night games,
"It's heavily dependent on (commissioner George Kliavkoff) and his team negotiating a good media deal for us to stay competitive". Am I the only person that heard that and went "OMG! They still don't have a deal yet that would allow them to be competitive!" My assumption before this was that they were close to a good deal and just negotiating for ways to make it better, which is what these guys are saying after reading that statement. So am I reading too much into this statement? Like Craig was saying, this is the first statement from a President that "cracks the door a little bit" and I can't see a President doing that if the PAC is pretty close to getting a competitive deal. To me this shows frustration that they still aren't that close to a deal.
That was before someone brought up the fact that the MLS pays Apple 60M per year just to get on the smallest streaming service in the US, and the contingent universities would be on the hook for not only the 50 M they owe Comcast, but also the 60M per year (or maybe more) they would be charged like the MLS. More money paid for less exposure.
How else is a radio show supposed to fill 3 hours about Big 12 talk? I am sure they are exhausted as well talkin about this but it brings in the ratings
But the Big 12 is such a great conference and the best basketball conference it should be easy to fill 3 hours of just Big 12 talk all day everyday.
@@Alohanate2004 Big 12 fan here, but that was funny!
Craig in the leather chair looks like a supervillain😂
I think you mean David
Did he get a promotion?
@@Alohanate2004 David is his dad. Craig is the guy that always looks angry.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 David is the one sitting in the leather chair, not Craig
@@Alohanate2004 David is the oldest. They do have him sitting in the big leather chair and it suits his purpose. Craig is the youngest on the left of the Table. Paul sits on the right. They used to crowd them up. Now they don't.
I like the idea of the Big 20, or the BigPAC 20; however you want to call it.
No ...we don't mention the pac
I feel like many OG Big 12 school fans love this. But BYU and UCF passionately hate this idea.
@@RexCrimson_ ....no they dont
Call it the Wild West Conference.
Who pays the cost of B12 games on ESPN+? Is it the B12 or ESPN?
ESPN
I think the 4 corner schools and any other potential candidates in the PAC-12 for Big12 expansion are waiting until April for the Big10 to decide whether they'll call up WA, OR, Stanford, and Cal. I think the 4 corners schools don't want to be the ones known for the PAC-12 dissolving.
I don't think the Big 12 wants more than the 4 Corner schools at this point, and I certainly don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford or Cal. By all indications, they only want Oregon and Washington and that at a reduced rate. The next round of expansion will be with the ACC implodes and the Big 12 will pick up 2-4 "leftovers".
That’s a good guess, OR may want the big to take OR state to keep that going and WA may want Wa state. May see six added to the Big 12, rest of the pac 12 folds and goes into the Mountain West or West Coast Conf.
@@scotttild Oregon State offers nothing to the PAC, B1G, or Big 12. Neither does WSU, Stanford, or Cal. There is a reason that every network but ESPN told the PAC they weren't interested paying to broadcast the PAC conference games and ESPN only wants one game a week. All of this in the age of NIL in recruiting and an open transfer portal.
PAC fans seem to ignore that but the rest of the nation picked up on it.
As we guessed 9 months ago, the PAC12 will split up as soon as the B1G calls Oregon and Washington. Sure, there's a chance the 4 corner schools don't like the deal and decide not to wait for the B1G. That's a recent development, but I feel like it's clear now that this issue was over hyped. Our very first assumptions we made 9 months ago, were correct. Lol
@@ZAB734 it might be all 3.
It also may be six and the other leftover pac 12 schools will have to fend for themselves or go to the mountain west.
I heard that the $$ maybe closer to 28-30 Million. However, with that being said, I heard that a lot of the Pac 12 will be streaming a good chunk of it's games and that the schools are responsible for the cost of streaming, which I heard was around 6-7 Million per school. IF (huge IF) that is true, the figure goes back to the "22 million a team", i.e. a shitty deal.
I haven't heard anything close to 30
22 to 25. Minus production costs. 18 to 15 million. PAC is dead
@@scotthamilton3469 I heard it is being negotiated higher than 22 million (28-30) but, again, the bottom line would be 22 millionish due to the schools having to pay for their streaming, which is an estimated 6-7 million per school. A shitty deal no matter how you slice it up.
I graduated from ASU with one of my degrees, President Crow has a personal, political alignment with the Left coast. It's a shame because he's transformed the university into a soulless factory that thinks of itself above it all.
He's moving toward them holding the bag when the music stops.
Without the LA market, how does he think this is going to go?
Washington and Oregon aren't going to stand pat.
No PAC-12 team is going to Big-12 until Big Ten offers Oregon and Washington.
It’s not guaranteed that they’ll be in any time soon. I think the big target is ACC schools, I could see them pick up two more Pac schools for USC and UCLA, but that could be any of the combinations in Standford, Cal, Utah, Washington, and Oregon. B1G is really big on education and such, they’ve haven’t been performing at the SEC level by any means, and they’re brand is worth more than that of the SEC.
Another wise prediction.
The only way the Pac 10 can survive and land a new TV deal is if they go with unequal revenue sharing.
They will due what they have to do to stay together.
They have no deal, they have an offer. The problem is getting all 10 to agree to streaming, GOR, and equal/unequal revenue sharing.
They will all agree at the last minute. No hurry to get it done until the last week.Mark my word all the PAC stays together.
All I can say to half of the PAC 12….welcome to the Big 12.
I appreciate the warm welcome
Yes PAC 12 schools, enjoy the $20 million per year and increased travel.
@@Alohanate2004 Yes PAC 12 programs can enjoy $10 million per year less than the Big 12 and vastly less exposure due to streaming.
@@Alohanate2004 Well, it is reported that the streaming services will require the schools to produce games, as they will only stream what the school puts out, and that is estimated at $75 mil.
Football drives money and TV and Pac 12 just does not have enough. A full merger with the Big 12 is really the only way to go. If the Pac 12 does not merge its going to fold.
Not true. The 2 big networks don't want the two conferences to merge because there are x number of PAC 12 teams that are undesirable. The 4 corner schools either jump or they stay together and take less money. I say they take less money.
Does anyone think that if the PACifist 12 wouldn't have put themselves in this situation if they had extended their existing deals as the Big 12 did after TexU and nOU bailed? I think the big difference is that the Big 12 had new members lined up before the media rights extension, but I have a feeling that they're going to force the backfilling issue (read: hello, SMU and San Diego State) before *any* media rights holder agrees to a deal with the PACifist 12.
Given the (apparent) outcome of the Big 12'2 2016 beauty pageant that yielded no winner, it has been assumed that the only way the Big 12 could add value was to add other Power 5 programs. With the in mind I think most people ass/u/me that adding the Four Corners is a win/win. I don't believe that is the case. Given that much of the TV media/broadcast pie has been neatly carved up and put on full display, and given the public statements by Brett Yormark, it seems that spreading the Big 12 media/broadcast footprint over 4 times zones is maybe not as important as having the recruiting draw of the Big 10 or SEC, but it is nonetheless a very lucrative market ploy. Wit that in mind forget about 4 corners..Current Big 12 distribution is Eastern:3, Central 8, Mountain 1 Lets make it Eastern 4, Central 8, Mountain 2, Pacific 2 . This guarantees two Big 12 games in Eastern Time Zone, 4 in Central 1 in Mountain and 1 in Pacific Time Zone. I would prioritize the 4 additions as follows; (1) San Diego State, (2) Fresno State or UNLV, (3) FSU or ECU, (4) one of the Four Corner Schools (one not four). From a fan perspective (remaining 8 Big 12 schools) new venues of BYU, Cincinnati, ECU, Fresno State, Houston, San Diego State UNLV, UCF, USF, not only gives the Big 12 potential to maximize revenue across 4 times zones but I think it also re-energizes fan bases to explore new destinations, while giving BYU and Central Florida more localized scheduling partners.
This sounds like a bunch of political posturing. I am still saying the PAC12 won’t survive. ASU Pres. Crow is one of the huge problems with the PAC. He might go down with the ship and ASU with it.
We live in Arizona, but all my kids (ASU Grads), said non of my grandkids will go to a PAC12 school.
If the remaining conference members do not join the big 12, PAC12 football will soon be like Big East football: going, going, gone. Any profitable media deal will require more exposure in the central and eastern time zones.
The issue I see for Zona...
A good size of the student population and alumni are from California (18%).
Cali is the largest amount of out-of-state students.
Moving to the B12 will hurt their student applications undoubtedly.
It'll be interesting to see the impact if they were to move.
I doubt most Cali students will even know about the conferences. Cali people don’t prioritize sports.
@joseamaya4445 | I think so. Zona and ASU are basically full of kids who couldn't get into USC or UCLA. I doubt that kids would want to go to a school that didn't play teams in Cali.
@@joseamaya4445 Exactly, which is why the PAC is dying. So very few on the west coast are actually watching CFB on TV, which is why ESPN is the only network wiling to be a part of the TV partnership & that on a very limited basis.
The Pac 12 is going to stay together and add SMU and SDSU. Writing is on the walls.
Why smu?
@@jasonkeuma1986 Backfill. They are not good for anything else.
Finally a very smart prediction on your part.
@@jasonkeuma1986 to spite the Big 12. SMU will be less than 20 miles from Big 12 HDQ's.
Unlikely, but call the B12 and Pac12
The Wild West Conference.
I too thought this would be a great idea- at first, but Kliavkoff,Wilner, Canzano and Utah changed my mind.
Let's remember that the new Oregon president wouldn't comment about changing conferences...
Yea he wants to go to big 10 not 12 😂😂
@@Letsg0brand0n We never had any expectations toward getting Left Coast universites anyway.
It's not just about 2-3 million dollars more. Its also about being showcased on Fox and ESPN or being showcased on a streaming service. If streaming services were considered the superior route to go then The Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 would have agreements with streaming services in their overall Package. They don't, the only reason The PAC is entertaining such offers is because they cant get offers from the Networks that they would prefer to deal with. So, a $25-30 million dollar deal with a service like Apple + is not of equivalent value to a $25-30 million deal with the likes of Fox or ESPN, both of which had a deal with PAC and have decided they no longer wish to maintain that relationship.
Talk about equivalent money numbers without any explanation of where that money comes from is simply put an insincere argument. It's cherry picking and incomplete.
In the end out of desperation the PAC will remain together, add SDSU and SMU and be paid peanuts by ESPN to air a few late night games. You can bet your dipper on it.
Arizona will have a better deal in the big 12!
Then why don't they leave now?
Because the new B12 deal doesn’t start till 2025, so for one year Arizona will be making far less.
@@Alohanate2004 I don't know. All of this makes me seriously doubt all this academic talk.
One conference is in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, has a nice TV deal, and will play on TV each week to help with recruiting in this age of NIL, while the other is not in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, supposedly about to announce a TV/streaming deal, and will only have 1, maybe 2 games a week on ESPN & 1 game a week streamed, which will seriously hinder recruiting in this age of NIL.
If the ADs voted instead of the presidents, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I do like your guys' spin though...
Yall never seem to amaze me....
But I digress
Why not the bigger pac 12 then everone is happy.
I can only see Colorado and Arizona having any interest in the Big 12.
That’s because those two might be the only two getting full membership pay. I could be wrong, but it seems fox doesn’t want to pay extra for Utah, and maybe that’s the reason why Utah feels offended.
@@joseamaya4445 From what I hear Utah fanbase is just made that way. They are not the academic giant they claim to be. Kansas, BYU and Baylor all rank higher according to trusted international ranking sites ( all 3 US Ranking sites have been discredited due to the use of faulty metrics) and not having them with us doesn't make a lot of difference to me at least. They remain in the antagonism mode.
Agreed
Pac 12 sucks AZ brand is a perfect fit for big 12
Face value!!! The media deal was said it sucked!!! What can Georgy boy do to get more money? Streaming is not competitive
Sorry Big 12. It was a fun exercise but just unrealistic. NO POWER 5 team has left their conference to join the Big12. None. Money is one factor but there are others as well. However Big 12 schools have left for the Pac12, Big 10 and SEC. It goes the other way. Anyway, 365 Sports had fun speculating.
A Big 12 school left for the Pac-12, but it was just 1, that 1 was Colorado. Don't try to compare what the Pac-12 got to what the SEC and the Big Ten got. Pac-12 fans have absolutely no room to be arrogant when it can't even attract any kind of an audience despite being the only major conference in almost the entire western half of the country.
It’s been a decade since th Pac12 has won a football game in the CFB playoffs. So, easy on the pride.
That was then, this is now, how the fact that almost no TV network wants to air PAC conference games goes so unnoticed to PAC fans is beyond me. If the PAC survives with this TV deal, it will be in worse shape in the next negotiation as recruiting will fade tremendously. Again, having half your games streamed instead of TV & not every game on TV is going to seriously cut into recruiting. Again, how do PAC fans not care about this?
You are right. All wishful hopes and thoughts by the Big 12.
40 million was the quote
LMFAO.....no it wasnt
@Scott Hamilton the original promise to the pac by George was 40 mill per team. Then, they got the 25 mill offer from ESPN. Everyone else said no. Then they separated the streaming, and the deal went to crap. 9 months later, the hopes and dreams are about to face reality.
These guys’ heads would collectively explode if Yormark leaves to take Big 10 job. That won’t happen but that would be funny
Why not? Yormark has more than proved himself and the Big 10 could offer him way more money.
That is interesting & I thought about it, but I don't think Yormark is the kind of the B1G wants. Also, he hasn't been here a year.
It’s like all they have to talk about.
All CFB has become is realignment...don't blame the messenger.
Boy you guys sure like to flog a dead horse topic!
And yet here you are, first in line to watch & post. You're a hypocrite.
Cant wait till P12 to B12 clicks disappear much in the same way OU UT to SEC clicks did. Find new topics already. Get back to promoting yourselves...