He could obviously not win it in a Haas or Alpine, but he could win it in this version of the McLaren. Putting Lando in the same category as Max is ridiculous. Lando had the fastest car over the last two GPs, and he needed the safety car in one race and did not win the second one. It is quite ironic that Zak is saying this now when his own team is basically disproving the fact.
Whenever this argument comes up for dominant drivers, I always say that any driver can win races in a championship winning car, but not every driver can win a championship in a championship winning car. I think that's what sets the greats apart from the rest.
Zak Brown is talking bs. Imola has proven what kind of driver Max is. The RB20 is troublesome, look at Perez 😮. Tracklimits, hard tyres, not in the right window and making no mistakes at all. Lando drove brilliantly but made 2 light errors that I could see. So excellent win for Max,well make that 2 wins 😊.
Max can win in a top 3 car, cars that run within 2 to 3 tenths of a second of each other - or in other words races where the cars would be within a 10 second gap at the end.
Mercedes aston racing bulls alpine 0% McLaren if they stay competitive like the last 2 races 30-40% chance even though he would need to get back from a big gap after first few races. Ferrari also 30-40 if you expect them to be basically on paar with RB from now on but having been a bit lower as of now. Oh and in my calculations maxs rb Cockpit would got the topdriver of the team in which he takes the spot so there would be a great driver in the rb not perez. In RB 70-80% chance. Lets see if rb stays in front of of the rest with their car. If ferraei gets faster and both Ferrari äs can be in fron of him he will lose gis point advantage fast same with McLaren
@@fk4410and that’s just based on the performance of the car. Max is also benefiting from the fact the Redbull team is head and shoulders above the others. They’re on point on just about all the metrics that make a winning team. There’s no way of knowing that he would seamlessly slot into another team and replicate what he’s currently doing at Redbull. Great drivers like Lauda, Prost, Vettel are proof of this.
@@Enzoblueblood When Max first time in the RB team and arrived at the garage. The way he started to talk about the car and what the team was looking for. The mechanic all said after two hours that he was something very special . He ability to talk to the team about the car out on the track is a huge plus for the team. Max loves F1 to a point. He is a racing car driver.
So how great are the greats if its only the car? Give the titles to the cars then, dont talk about great drivers then like Lewis , schumacher senna etc etc. They were all just lucky and average like the the rest.
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Well we know that max was far away from winning a championship before 2021 when RB was also the fastest car on some weekends before 2021 so there you have the answer
@@fk4410 the difference is Max never believed in "ifs" only "when" . He didn't even talk about being a champion until he was in the actual championship fight. I have total respect for Lando and I firmly believe he has the minerals to be a Champion but it's not me who has to believe it, it's him. Talking about what ifs is basically saying you didn't do a good enough job in the time you had.
Max wasnt close getting a championship before 2021 so shut up. And the RB was the best car some tracks even back then it was just far away from beeing able to challenge over the whole season
You guy are missing the fact that George didn't think he was going to make it to the end on his tires. Toto said Lewis would have gotten George anyway if they didn't bring him in. Also in Suzuka , Lewis let George buy so no need for get backs.
"Should George feel robbed after Imola?" - what an idiotic way to frame the *fact* that time after time George cannot hold onto his tires and the team were genuinely concerned that he would not make it to the end because George has zero tire management for a driver of his tenure in F1. how do yall get paid to cover this sport, then come onto that topic and just frame it in a way thats about stature and teammates "owing" something to the other down the line? How about look at the lap times and listen to what the team actually said about George's race rather than make it some superficial high school argument.
No he has already shown twice in a row that if max the wonder boy isn’t in the best car he simply doesn’t win. The myth has been exposed for wonderful wonder boy
I think that becoming a world champion, is under estimated. You basically have to be flawless as a driver and as a team, and that in let's say 20 out of the 24 races. And both team and driver have to withstand the pressures, under the most demanding circumstances. And who of the other drivers can cope with all the pressures when it really comes to the crunch. And this is both in qualifying and the races. You name them.. and have they proven themselves in those situations? I can name only 3 on the current grid, and those are already World Champions..
Lewis lost in a dominant car. you forgot about 2021 always that English, humor lol...don't get me wrong Leweis is a living legend. But Max has just raised the bar again where it never has been. Noris lol, still has to prove he can have the god tier level Max has been operating on for the last 3 a 4 years. Max is already one of the Greats and that already on his age is unprecedented.
Haha Zac's provocative language is clearly aimed, as it really makes no sense to take it too seriously, to try to use psychological warfare in the hope that Max would become so overheated by his statements that he might make a mistake;- ) Max could have competed for the championship in both the Ferrari and the Maclaren this season! Everyone now knows that we are dealing with a once in a lifetime phenomenon. As if a Messi arises every day, don't be stupid ;-)
Reverse the question for you: Would Lewis Hamilton win the championship in a different car? And the answer that you will most likely give to this certainly applies to Max Verstappen ;-)
What is Lawrence talking about. The team doesn’t owe George one. Lewis was faster and would have gotten George regardless. George should think about the team first and stop whining.
U all turn out to be like the Sky F1 pundits,keep it up an u may loose subscribers.norris win one race out of a 112 an u see him as guving max competion.when max win his first race at 18 and called a talent in a generation by luada,no one,spes the skyF1 guys see him as a future champ
He could obviously not win it in a Haas or Alpine, but he could win it in this version of the McLaren. Putting Lando in the same category as Max is ridiculous. Lando had the fastest car over the last two GPs, and he needed the safety car in one race and did not win the second one. It is quite ironic that Zak is saying this now when his own team is basically disproving the fact.
Whenever this argument comes up for dominant drivers, I always say that any driver can win races in a championship winning car, but not every driver can win a championship in a championship winning car. I think that's what sets the greats apart from the rest.
Max is the GOAT that will be praised and recognized in ten years time.
Zak Brown is talking bs.
Imola has proven what kind of driver Max is.
The RB20 is troublesome, look at Perez 😮.
Tracklimits, hard tyres, not in the right window and making no mistakes at all.
Lando drove brilliantly but made 2 light errors that I could see.
So excellent win for Max,well make that 2 wins 😊.
Max can win in a top 3 car, cars that run within 2 to 3 tenths of a second of each other - or in other words races where the cars would be within a 10 second gap at the end.
Redbull: 100% chance
Ferrari: 60% chance
McLaren: 50% chance
Mercedes: 40% chance
Aston Martin: 10% chance
Alpine: 5% chance
AlphaTauri: 2% chance
Haas, Williams, Alfa Romeo: 0% chance
Mercedes aston racing bulls alpine 0%
McLaren if they stay competitive like the last 2 races 30-40% chance even though he would need to get back from a big gap after first few races.
Ferrari also 30-40 if you expect them to be basically on paar with RB from now on but having been a bit lower as of now.
Oh and in my calculations maxs rb Cockpit would got the topdriver of the team in which he takes the spot so there would be a great driver in the rb not perez.
In RB 70-80% chance. Lets see if rb stays in front of of the rest with their car. If ferraei gets faster and both Ferrari äs can be in fron of him he will lose gis point advantage fast same with McLaren
And with last years cars he would have 0 chance in anything else than RB
@@fk4410and that’s just based on the performance of the car. Max is also benefiting from the fact the Redbull team is head and shoulders above the others. They’re on point on just about all the metrics that make a winning team. There’s no way of knowing that he would seamlessly slot into another team and replicate what he’s currently doing at Redbull.
Great drivers like Lauda, Prost, Vettel are proof of this.
@@Enzoblueblood
When Max first time in the RB team and arrived at the garage.
The way he started to talk about the car and what the team was looking for.
The mechanic all said after two hours that he was something very special .
He ability to talk to the team about the car out on the track is a huge plus for the team.
Max loves F1 to a point.
He is a racing car driver.
So how great are the greats if its only the car? Give the titles to the cars then, dont talk about great drivers then like Lewis , schumacher senna etc etc. They were all just lucky and average like the the rest.
well you’re seeing garbage Perez get results with the car
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Delusional. We know what Max would say about what if's right....
Well we know that max was far away from winning a championship before 2021 when RB was also the fastest car on some weekends before 2021 so there you have the answer
@@fk4410exactly, or last year Singapore. Max can’t do much if the car isn’t up for the win.
@@fk4410 the difference is Max never believed in "ifs" only "when" . He didn't even talk about being a champion until he was in the actual championship fight. I have total respect for Lando and I firmly believe he has the minerals to be a Champion but it's not me who has to believe it, it's him. Talking about what ifs is basically saying you didn't do a good enough job in the time you had.
2016 2020
10 win
18 second place
15 third place
If Max ride a bicycle he would still win.99% of the haters hate Max are British because he put L.H. in his place.
Max wasnt close getting a championship before 2021 so shut up. And the RB was the best car some tracks even back then it was just far away from beeing able to challenge over the whole season
You guy are missing the fact that George didn't think he was going to make it to the end on his tires. Toto said Lewis would have gotten George anyway if they didn't bring him in. Also in Suzuka , Lewis let George buy so no need for get backs.
"Should George feel robbed after Imola?" - what an idiotic way to frame the *fact* that time after time George cannot hold onto his tires and the team were genuinely concerned that he would not make it to the end because George has zero tire management for a driver of his tenure in F1. how do yall get paid to cover this sport, then come onto that topic and just frame it in a way thats about stature and teammates "owing" something to the other down the line? How about look at the lap times and listen to what the team actually said about George's race rather than make it some superficial high school argument.
Of all the discussions and things y'all could discuss going on in f1, you choose this as the topic..... If, if again?! Okay
I lost a lot of respect for this show today.
And I gained for the straight talk, good bye
No he has already shown twice in a row that if max the wonder boy isn’t in the best car he simply doesn’t win. The myth has been exposed for wonderful wonder boy
Are you down because Sir L.H is done? Check you're facts.And shut up, nothing you say makes sense.
Please share the facts then
I think that becoming a world champion, is under estimated. You basically have to be flawless as a driver and as a team, and that in let's say 20 out of the 24 races. And both team and driver have to withstand the pressures, under the most demanding circumstances. And who of the other drivers can cope with all the pressures when it really comes to the crunch. And this is both in qualifying and the races. You name them.. and have they proven themselves in those situations? I can name only 3 on the current grid, and those are already World Champions..
As a Max fan ,i would love LeClerc to win.
But you take a boat if you visit Monaco!
Lewis lost in a dominant car. you forgot about 2021 always that English, humor lol...don't get me wrong Leweis is a living legend. But Max has just raised the bar again where it never has been. Noris lol, still has to prove he can have the god tier level Max has been operating on for the last 3 a 4 years. Max is already one of the Greats and that already on his age is unprecedented.
Haha Zac's provocative language is clearly aimed, as it really makes no sense to take it too seriously, to try to use psychological warfare in the hope that Max would become so overheated by his statements that he might make a mistake;- ) Max could have competed for the championship in both the Ferrari and the Maclaren this season! Everyone now knows that we are dealing with a once in a lifetime phenomenon. As if a Messi arises every day, don't be stupid ;-)
Reverse the question for you: Would Lewis Hamilton win the championship in a different car? And the answer that you will most likely give to this certainly applies to Max Verstappen ;-)
No. Ask me something difficult please
Of course because the other cars are faster atm
What is Lawrence talking about. The team doesn’t owe George one. Lewis was faster and would have gotten George regardless. George should think about the team first and stop whining.
Not even super Max could win in a tractor/Merc!
🙋🏼♀ time stamps says 0:00 so let me guess, brith still hopes max will go to a crappy team , like haas or merc..
ferrari and mclaren pace as of now near to redbull this 2024 season he will win a championship😁
Tf is tea and crumpets doing talking about racing
No max can not wc in other cars .
If he could win in another car! WHY all the talk he may leave RedBullshi If Adrain Newey leaves!! There's Your Answer!
Schumacher NEVER had a good/great teammate
NO
NO!!!!!!!!!
U all turn out to be like the Sky F1 pundits,keep it up an u may loose subscribers.norris win one race out of a 112 an u see him as guving max competion.when max win his first race at 18 and called a talent in a generation by luada,no one,spes the skyF1 guys see him as a future champ
No
Typical ifs and all the bs
ESPN sucks. Why cover this shitty sport?
First pin pls