Can Christians be predestined and have free will?
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Its not just foreknowledge but election unto salvation, “Not therefore any thing will be because God knows it to be future, but because it is future it is known by God before it comes to pass,” (In Romans 1:7, fol. 199, E.). Which entirely accords with what we assert, that God did not decree any thing because he foresaw it, but he foresaw it because he decreed it." Origenus Alexandrinus (Church Father)
Frank Turkey definitely misunderstood this argument. If God can create the universe knowing the outcome, then assuming God is all powerful, he can create any outcome he chooses in the creation of the universe. This means that God intentionally choses the outcomes in the creation as he has a choice with his all mighty power to create any outcome he pleases. Our 'free will' is an illusion because God has already made the ultimate choice.
Although I agree 100% (God is outside of time and "knows the end from the beginning", this starts a heated debate that (please correct me if I'm wrong here) is a non salvational issue. We're at a point in human history where it seems more important (to me at least) to get people to Jesus. Anything to plant the seeds brothers and sisters. We need to get them saved, not distracter and taking up time debating theology that is at this point in time best served they prayer and the Holy Spirit. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the grave. When you believe this "in your heart", you change. Everything about you changes. You're no longer of the world. You belong to him. He lives in you. And you know it. If you are "born again", you know EXACTLY what I'm speaking of. There's no time to waste. Get them to Jesus. Just my two cents worth. Much love everyone. God bless you.
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Egyptian Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Egyptian Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Finally found ONE thing I disagree with Turek. Still massively respect him, tho
Never heard it explained this way before. Thank you, and God bless.
It's wordplay it doesnt make any sense. We dont know that the sun will rise tomorrow we assume. God is the only one who knows things. The rest of us just assume.
If you are destined that means there is no other choice but to be that what you are destined for. It is really that simple
@Jern Delpeche Agreed he says that predestined just means God guarantees it but it's the same thing. If a man is predestined to die at a certain time at a particular place nothing he does or wills could prevent it. It, like everything else that comes to pass is inevitable. Judas was destined to betray Christ, Joseph was destined to be sold into slavery, Saints are destined to become adopted sons of God. Nothing man wills can prevent anything that God has planned. "The Potter holds right over the clay"
@@O_troposyou’re correct that we can only assume and god is the only one that actually knows. But it still doesn’t mean we had no choice.
It still doesn't make sense. If God created us and our wills and he knows what we will do next, he created us to do that, he did cause that. If you created an AI and you know what the AI will do, you obviously caused it to do that because you created it and everything it does is determined by you and how you made it.
@@nightowlovo4422 amen! Do you believe that all will be saved? 1tim4:10
John 6:44 “no one can come to me unless the father draws him”
Amen! God wishes all men to be saved so draws everyone, though many resist and reject when God comes.
@@buddy_132 no he does not draw everyone
@@brantonjaspar8711
Doesn’t God desire everyone to be saved?
@@buddy_132 Paul explains in Roman’s 9 very clearly that God has prepared some vessels beforehand for destruction, so no, not everyone.
@@brantonjaspar8711
Then why did Christ pay for the sins of the whole world as 1 John 2:2 says if he refuses to attempt to save all? Isn’t it possible the vessels of wrath served their purpose could repent like Paul the chief of sinners did when killing and persecuting the Church of Christ?
Predestined the plan, not the man.
If the design of man is in that plan then it's obviously predetermined. 🤷♂️
Romans 8:29-30 ESV
For those whom he FOREKNEW he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. [30] And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
To foreknow then predestine is to cause not just know.
Ephesians 1:4-5 ESV
even as he CHOSE us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love [5] he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Gods will is not human will. And God’s will is not something we need to understand. It’s just something we need to pray for and hope for and believe in. Your human understanding of salvation is not required, and the mystery of God is not something we must understand completely.
@@bobbyrice2858What does this mean, that everything is predestined?
@@Tene-xh9vlIt means God knows what is going to happen. God knows who will and who will not be saved, but just because he knows who will and who won’t be saved does not mean he MAKES us do anything. We still have free will.
@@hezikiawilliams392 But is it really free will if there are other factors involved like people, spirits,etc. I would think it would be free if it was totally uninhibited and not influenced. You have environmental upbringing, things hidden in the subconscious, spirits could be involved. So I don't see how that's totally free will. If there weren't other factors involved then I would say it's totally free. Not only that, why is our free will allowed to violate others free will. Our choices affect others and they didn't have a choice in it. What if someone made a voice that has devastating affects on their family and can't be changed, where was their free will? Why would God not intervene at least to help them as they weren't the ones who made a decision?
He totally dodged the question: she wasn’t asking about knowledge and causation, she asked about knowledge and will. His example about the sun misses the point. Yes, you know the sun will rise in the east, because it does not have a choice in the matter. Under x conditions, y happens. That’s what knowledge is. And there’s no room in there for free will.
I was thinking the same thing about him dodging the question. He’s an Arminian so we know where he’s going to go with this answer.
Not only that but God knowing all things, including our actual decisions concluding free will is an illusion. One person gave me an example that if you know your friend so well you could predict there every decision. I said "But I also know their actual decision being an a-temporal being."
Chaos theory might be something to include in this as a variable. It might not be able to be this simple. @@tile-maker4962
Foreknowledge and predeterminism are completely different and yet usually confused with one another here. We wouldn't need to be told to repent and believe if that was predetermined for us. That is a call for a response on our part. A response God knows we will have before He calls us. Simple.
nice trick there, i see you're adept at fooling yourself.
@@HarryNicNicholasI see you're striving for most triggered atheist of the day by the way you've gone through the comments while spewing garbage responses. You have my vote Hairy.
@@festushaggen2563 But he isn't wrong...
Well not exactly. That was an awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and Awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and predestination. I don't agree with everything he says on Cross Examined ministry but I know he does his best especially when he's sick or losing his voice it seems. Many not all Atheists I've met online just repeat bad arguments using sophisticated and well structured language but disingenuous and dishonest arguments most of the time but as Jedi Master Qui Gon Jinn played by Liam Nesson said " The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" 🤣. God's Foreknowledge which means He knows All things has no bearing on our actions as Omniscience doesn't eliminate our own Free Will/ personal responsibility and accountability Christianity and theism were crucial in the development of scientific understandings and phenomenon discoveries as Creation can only be studied if there is creative design not chaotic chance and nonsensical/inconsistent processes of Evolutionary biology and cosmological randomness. I really appreciate Cross Examined Apologetics ministry. Fellow brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you ALL. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH . He always does good work in his efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ he's reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of Macro Evolutionary biology where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@festushaggen2563 The problem with his example is that he has no control over the sun.
According to your beliefs your god had the foreknowledge and then created everything in such a way those events had to happen.
Just like how he knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit and decided to create a tree with the fruit anyway. How is it their fault when they didn't know right from wrong?
Your god sounds like a dick.
My favorite quote of Frank's is "If you're struggling that much about it then why don't you become one with Christ That way you could be chosen and we all could be happy" I'm paraphrasing of course but that always gets me. Because it's true why get hung up trying to 100% decipher the wisdom of an infinite God with our finite intellect. When instead of being hung up on something we could just choose God and actually be apart of the bigger picture what he meant. Chosen, predestined, who cares. A drowning man will never ask a lifeboat "did you save me by accident"
Frank Turkey definitely misunderstood this argument. If God can create the universe knowing the outcome, then assuming God is all powerful, he can create any outcome he chooses in the creation of the universe. This means that God intentionally choses the outcomes in the creation as he has a choice with his all mighty power to create any outcome he pleases. Our 'free will' is an illusion because God has already made the ultimate choice.
@@theblackphilosopher5958 Free will doesn't require being free to do everything. I'm not free to fly like superman and shoot laser beams from my eyes with super cooling breath.
It is free within a certain bounds. The range of motion is prescribed and you are responsible for those choices within that range.
Imagine a dice roll, if you knew the exact forces applied to it down to every atom and subatomic particle, you could predict with certainty what it would land on. As a person, I can't do that resulting in a dice that is useful to add "randomness" to my board game even though it isn't random. There really is no such thing as random at all.
The perspective angle changes everything. From God's angle, nothing is outside of his domain or knowledge. From ours, practically nothing is certain until it happens.
Ultimately we can't fully grasp the nature of God. We can't even fully grasp quantum mechanics, why should we expect to fully grasp the creator of it?
@@theblackphilosopher5958 I often consider how the quantum works with uncertainty. What if free will is intimately tied to it?
At the scale of an atom, it doesn't really exist but as a wave of possibilities that collapse into reality. At a macro scale all those probabilities add up to the certainty of the keyboard I'm typing on.
What if the brain operates on quantum principles? such that the uncertainty of the tiniest scales are magnified to macro scales? Free randomness within a prescribed range of the aggregate possibilities.
In the end we trust that God knows and created everything to extreme detail and somehow setup a system where you are responsible for your own actions and decisions.
How that works exactly is a tough question but simple logic fails to account for all the variables.
A full understanding of this question will require a full understanding of time, space, and matter.
@@litpath3633 you haven't addressed my argument at all and just rambled that we can't know everything because God exists. What is the reason for this?
@@litpath3633 we can't explain everything therefore God, is a good summary of your last post. Why didn't you just write this.
'Just because god knows what we are going to do
doesn't mean he is causing us to do it.'
Yes it does. That is the definition of him causing us to do it.
If I write a program to do a specific task and it completes that task I am the one that made that happen.
By your definition your saying God causes us to sin.
@@keiths41nt38
Correct as stated-
If I write a program to do a specific task and it completes that task I am the one that made that happen.
@keiths41nt38 ever read ezekiel 14:9? It literally says god is causing people to lie
@@lackles27 He also harden the pharoh's heart too.
if you are a programm then yes. But we are free to chose to be with Him or not
Free will is just this; Choose this day whom you will follow …
Your salvation is way too important of a decision to be left up to when it makes sense to you. The Holy Spirit opened your eyes. John 17:9. Romans 8:29. John 10:25
I wrote all this down based on your commen that suggests that you decided to make the best decision a human can make solely on your own understanding. God came for you. Now he wants you to give him something he doesn't have. Your attention, time, love, thoughts.
Joshua 24:15
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Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Context is very important.
@@mjholaday8172old testament. Break when a sacrifice was needed every year.
@@aaronwarner3700 Now we need a sacrifice every day for Jesus says in order to be my disciple you must deny yourself daily, pick up your cross and follow me.
God said no one chooses Him we love Him BECAUSE He FIRST loves us first
It's the calling of an evangelist to get people to turn to God.
Amen, it is illogical for us to choose our sentence from the judge.
Just bcuz God chooses us first doesn't mean we don't have to choose Him as well. God has already done His part by dying on the cross. Now it's up to people to do their part
@@thizz707gr You deny the legitimacy of Christ’s death by saying all he did was give you a simple decision. The truth is, a criminal doesn’t choose his own court sentence and we are all the criminals deserving of Hell(Eph. 2:2-3). It is illogical to think that we, people who do not seek God(Rom. 3:10-17) seek him and choose to be saved. God chose us before the beginning of time(Eph. 1:4). He is perfectly just in doing this too(Rom. 9:18) as we are his creation, just as an author can do whatever they want with their book or a movie director can do whatever he wants with his movie. Ephesians 1:5 says, ”He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of HIS WILL” not ours. We are not saved through our own works(Eph. 2:8-9). Surely a decision is a work? “The action or process of deciding something or of resolving a question”. What is a work? “Activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.” We are not save through our choice, but God’s. God bless!
@@thizz707gr hope you figure out who died on the cross. Try Proverbs 1:23.
His answer put things together for me that I couldn't explain properly without making it a novel almost lol.
Thats not explained properly.
He didnt explain anything!
Predestined means to be chosen for things to happen before they happen.
Makes perfect sense to me.
@jamesedington9126
Well thats because youre not thinking.
Religion turns off people's thinking abilities.
Lets try to start the thinking process.
Does this god of yours predestine certain individuals to only be attracted to the same sex?
@@jamesedington9126
It made perfect sense to you because you are that foolish.
@@terryaucoin4708 that's because you see life from a narrow perspective. The world doesn't end when you end, and doesn't mean you have no choice on how you get there. That's how we have choice. We aren't controlled. We are guided. You just have to pay attention.
Thank God I'm blessed through Frank's wisdom & his knowledge about scripture
It does not say you are predestined to be a follower of Jesus Christ. It says that as a follower of Jesus Christ you are predestined to be an adopted son of God.
God grants unmerited mercy to those who believe.
HE grants the mercy/grace. He judges the heart.
Great answer Mr. Turek
He already knows who he's gonna grant that to
@@Nightdare Because you know something will happen does not mean you cause it to happen.
Amen brother 🙂🙏✝️ I 100% agree
Protestant nonsense
Beware false prophets.
Indoctrinating your children exposes them to being taken advantage of by dodgy middle aged men, and women, who know it's all rubbish.
Jesus Christ knows his kids and his kids know him.
Yes those who have accepted and not rejected His gift. John 3:36
But Jesus WARNED the Pharisees.
John 8:24, 10:38
Why would Jesus warn?
Luke 13:3,5 “unless you…you will”
Your decision, your future
Matthew 18:3 never is a long time Sam.
And faith is not works
Romans 10.9
@@samperry9507 Romans 10:9 Yes, there’s an “if” in there. I agree.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
No one will do that for you.
Not all of God's adopted children know Him yet.
@@makedisciples8653
God certainly intervened and negated Saul’s free will….and Doubting Thomas’s free will not to believe…..and both of those men had more truth than anyone alive since.
imagine knowing the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and then saying, if the sun rises in the east I'm going to send the sun to hell to be tortured for eternity.
Some vessels are made for honor, some for destruction. This implies a direct act of creation for a specific purpose, not merely foreseeing.
I agree.
100% sovereignty should put God, ultimately, in charge over everything including salvation though right. Like the Creator would be sovereign over salvation and not the creature. Otherwise the creature would be able to thwart God’s divine will.
Amen, some just want to take/receive credit that isn't theirs to have. God's Will > Man's Will
Not taking any credit but from the sound of it predestination or the idea that God has elected certain individuals to be saved and some not, wouldn’t require God to send His only begotten Son to satisfy our Father’s wrath which is why Jesus died on the cross for us 🧐 also predestination wouldn’t require faith would it? Not sure it makes sense to me. Just asking but wouldn’t we have to ignore the greatest act of Love? God bless
@@godswill2260 If we are saved by our own choices in life then those who are saved could claim they earned salvation. This would mean you are saved by works, but scripture says we aren't saved by works but by Grace alone through Faith. God choose a select group of people (Saints) before He created the world. A people not bound by genealogy or race, a certain time period or land. He choose them, predestined them to become His children and do good works that He prepared beforehand so that they may walk in them. Christ had to die in order for this to be possible. He suffered in place of the Saints for crimes committed in rebellion against God. He paid the price so that they would be free from sin.
@@nightowlovo4422 still doesn’t answer why scripture reads for God, so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, whomever shall believe in him will not perish, but have everlasting life
And yet predestination for those who believe it, or claiming that Jesus only died for some people?
@God's Will John 10:15 Jesus states who specifically he lays down his life for. God's will and ways are greatly complex and at this time. I can't truthfully and properly explain from my understanding why John 3:16 says the world. I think it'd be similar to 1 John 2:1. If Christ died for everyone, then all would be saved. Since we know that not all are saved, then there has to be a logical explanation for the wording of the verse.
1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Thank you for you ministry Dr. Frank Turek. May Our Lord Jesus bless you more.
Unless we step up our game and provide enough value to be noticed, doesn't happen by default..
If Jesus were real, he'd bench Turek immediately. He doesn't need grifters who lie & repel people from his message.
@@utubepunk He is real. And he can take your life now, If he wants to. Repent you sinner. How many times have you lied?
@@utubepunk what did he lie about exactly? If you make an accusation, you should support it.
Why does my comment seem so out of context? lol
We were all born in sin. We are dead and need life that only Christ can give. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Thanks be to God which giveth us the victory through Christ Jesus The Lord.
Facepalm
Foreknowledge is not a passive thing. Its an active action on Gods behalf, and its a relational term. Frank should know this
Can you explain more? How is foreknowledge of something and forcing/causing people to do something the same thing?
@pepperachu Yeah, you see the way you frame the question doesn't fit the biblical definition of divine foreknowledge. As I understand the meaning of divine foreknowledge it is always an active action performed upon an object.
Most people use the human sense or the word (know in advance) and apply that to God.
God being Omnicient cannot learn anything, much less learn anything from His Creatures.
Gods Divine Foreknowledge is God eternally knowing His own in a deep relational sense.
Does that make sense? If you do a biblical study of how the Bible uses know and yow that relates to foreknowledge you will see what I'm on about
@@calebmills1446 I've never heard it explained like that but as far as I understand foreknowledge and cause are different things about God.
Judas for example, Jesus knew he was going to be betrayed by him and even mentioned it in his presence.
God knew who we are going to be from the beginning of creation and chose our parents and time in history we are born.
Yet God told pharaoh for this reason I raised you up, (to display His power) and even hardened his heart.
So if you really think about it, God is God. He can do whatever He wants and who can stop Him? He made everything, so everything is His to do as He wishes.
@@pepperachuHe made the world knowing some of us were destined to be tortured in unimaginable ways for eternity. To split paths of humans between heaven and hell their would have to be some distinguishable trait or imply some of us aren't as "real" or as "important". Kind of delusional.
@@TheoWinston-yv9ij yes, I absolutely agree with you. God made people knowing what people would ultimately choose
This man is mighty blessed of God with supernatural wisdom. I've learnt a lot listening to you
Listening to any man will end you. Cursed be the man that trusteth in man. Jeremiah 17:5.
Nothing supernatural has ever been shown to exist
Mighty blessed of god ???😂😂he's only passing on what he read and was taught by someone else, grow up !!
@@bruceduffy9518😂😂
This is how someone argues when bound by belief. They will say anything to make their belief correct
Love the answer, it's both truthful-humbling- and soothing. Glory to God. Thanks Dr. Frank Turek for clearing that up, I've had that same question on my mind- but the answer that I've settled with before is God’s Omniscient Character (All Knowing).
It’s also a non answer. He uses the sun rising in the east as an example. Does the sun have the free will to rise in the west?
Excellent answer! One of the best I've ever heard. I love how you make the scriptures understandable. Praise God! We are blessed, amen!!!!!
Romans 8:29-30 ESV
For those whom he FOREKNEW he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. [30] And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
To foreknow then predestine is to cause not just know.
Ephesians 1:4-5 ESV
even as he CHOSE us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love [5] he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Gods will is not human will. And God’s will is not something we need to understand. It’s just something we need to pray for and hope for and believe in. Your human understanding of salvation is not required, and the mystery of God is not something we must understand completely.
@@bobbyrice2858 Isn't it the will of the Father that we believe in the One He sent to save us? I think that's extremely important to know. The work of God is that we believe in the One He sent to save us!!! Hallelujah!!! To God be the glory for all He has done, amen!!! If God didn't want us to know things, why did He have the Israelites write their experiences down, and carry them around with them? Why do we have the Bible? Why did God tell us to study the scriptures? He said He didn't want us to be ignorant, didn't He? He knows us, and wants us to know Him, and everything we can know this side of Eternity. IMO, of course. We are Blessed by a Living God!!!
@@sandragambrel9721 Deuteronomy 29:29 ESV
"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Job 11:7-9 ESV
"Can you find out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limit of the Almighty? [8] It is higher than heaven-what can you do? Deeper than Sheol-what can you know? [9] Its measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea.
Not everything including predestination is fully revealed. We know the title of the book, we know what the book summary is about, but we don’t know the details of the summary.
God’s will is revealed in scripture, but not his complete will.
If God is not sovereign over everything He is not God.
Amen!
“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:13, KJV)
So then the God of the Bible is not God?
Matthew 23:37 is pretty clear that God wanted Israel to repent and come to Him but it didn’t happen.
It’s almost like the sovereign God respects free will.
If you don’t want accountability for actions just say that.
@@phil3467 Where was free will when he blinded people? What about free will when he sends lying spirits?
Free will for Jonah? Or Saul (Paul)?
Romans 11:25 (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ephesians 1:5-6 (KJV)
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
So God causes all of the evil in the world? Then we can conclude God is evil? I don’t think so. That’s not Biblical.
Sovereign, yes, but look up the word. it's not what calvinists think it means.
Perfect analogy! We know the sun will rise each day, but we aren't causing it. We know it will rise because it has no free will.
Exactly, what else is it gonna do?
When it comes to salvation, free will is not in play. Its all God's will, choosing and sovereign.
The free will is referring to salvation and the predestined is referring to being conformed to the image of Christ over time.
God knows the future because He has decreed all that will come to pass. He has caused us to be born again to a living hope (1 Peter 1:3).
To decree is to order. By saying God has decreed everything that will happen is to say God commands evil.
@JNCon that's a common rejoinder, but certainly not biblical ( James 1:13-16). God has decreed to permit evil for His purposes and glory. Consider Eph 1:11; Rom 11:33; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18. This is taken from the Westminster Confession of Faith, 1646.
@@marleyandme447 I didn’t say anything unbiblical. Certainly God permits everything that happens, otherwise it wouldn’t happen. But permitting evil and decreeing it are, definitionally, not at all the same.
@Pistachio-Cat Sure. But decreeing that evil be permitted and decreeing acts of evil are not the same. And it should not be said of God that He has commanded everything that happens to happen.
@Pistachio-Cat I disagree. OP’s logic is that God commands sin.
Wow i struggled with this question for so long . Thank you Holy Spirit for this answer . May the Lord bless your ministry 🙏🏾🫡
Lol 😂,its just word game his preaching😂
You.... Freely choose.... Whether or not to pursue your destiny.... Believe it or not you can actually go your whole life never actualizing your destiny and instead simply falling to the wayside.
No, the Christian version of God is simply not compatible with free will.
The thing is that most Christians are perfectly fine with ignoring or excusing contradictions in their beliefs so that fact isn't a problem.
But our faith is compatible with compatiblism, which of course many atheist philosophers also advocate.
@@jreveley9462 unfortunately not determinism but predeterminism is the implication of an omniscient and omnipotent God.
So while I'm sure many Christian philosophers grasped onto compatibilism it really doesn't resolve the underlying issue and that's assuming that compatibilism is even a valid description of nature.
I think free will is God's greatest expression or love
@@Arvak777 it is not because there is no free will according to christianity.
Turek admitted it himself in this video - "whenever God creates any universe he creates, he knows the outcome". But what does outcome depend on then? On the state of that universe of course. And who designs the state? God. So HE creates the outcome. He, not us.
We think and feel we create the outcome. But if it's not true and God does, then we don't have free will and it's only illusion. Simple as that.
Did you even watch the video and read the comments you reply to? Because sorry but you sound like a bot.
@@tomaszcichociemny3758You're not making someone do something within the parameters of a game and your objection is like saying you made someone do something because it was something they did within what was designed?
You're fallaciously conflating design with causation.
Frank’s losing his voice by the sounds of it
He was recovering from a cold that day
That's because of all the hard hearts who fear truth. FT persists in drilling ...
Drilling?
it's chasing after his logic.
🤞
Amen. Love Frank and the fact he still teaching while not feeling well is devotion.
Predestined doesn’t mean God looked into the future, it means it was predetermined before it happened. This means the majority of souls created were made with prior knowledge of their ultimate doom.
When it is us knowing something, it does not necessarily mean causation but when it is God knowing something, it most definitely means causation because He is the first mover, the first cause of everything. Frank did not cause the Sun to rise, God did.
Well, I mean the thing is God is omniscient he knows everything right, so is impossible for God not to know something, but does that mean he couldn't create free creatures meaning give freewill to creatures who could choose their own outcome, I think no, because also one of God's attributes is that he is omnibenevolent or all loving, which means he is love, and love by definition must be given freely, or a choice to choose to accept or decline there must be a choice, you can't force love that'll be a contradiction it must be given freely, so with that God has to give us freewill to choose to accept him or not because that is what love is, to choose. So we have freewill in this world but at the same time God knows every happenstance of our choices, doesn't he force us it means he just knows what we're going to do since is inevitable for God to know everything if he's omniscient, in other words in God's mind all thing everything has been played or finished already he's completed so he knows all out comes and everything, so when he created universe he elected the outcome, but here's a very important distinction, he elected us with accordance of our freewill not against our freewill, meaning God is all knowing AND we still have free choice. I know there's variations to this question or approach or objection, I'm open to discuss about it.
@@iconsworld9
Let's reason together. if you are not an open theist, you believe that God at the beginning of time, before the world was, knew what He is about to create to the last little detail.
God knew that if He will create the world, at some point in the future a person named Bob would be born and this person, Bob, would live his life as an atheist, then at 30 years old he would murder another person, would end up in prison and at 32 would die there by being murdered as an atheist and would go to hell.
So, then God decides to create the universe in fact and then a time for Bob to be born comes, now ask yourself a question, does Bob have free will to choose another path to his life and not grow up as an atheist, then murder a person at 30 and then die in prison at 32 as a murderer and atheist?
Of course not! Because that would mean that God failed in knowing the future and that is impossible!
@@nikokapanen82 ok, that question IS kind of easy tô Tell
God knows what you Will do because he knows what your decisions Will bê based on your free will
The bible also says that everyone can get to heaven If they wish to
Plus we have free will because God wanted to
Done
If he says we have free will we have free will
@@Guilherme-JK But that's just a silly tautology that doesn't actually explain anything at all
Well yeah. That was an awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and Awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and predestination. I don't agree with everything he says on Cross Examined ministry but I know he does his best especially when he's sick or losing his voice it seems. Many not all Atheists I've met online just repeat bad arguments using sophisticated and well structured language but disingenuous and dishonest arguments most of the time but as Jedi Master Qui Gon Jinn played by Liam Nesson said " The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" 🤣. God's Foreknowledge which means He knows All things has no bearing on our actions as Omniscience doesn't eliminate our own Free Will/ personal responsibility and accountability Christianity and theism were crucial in the development of scientific understandings and phenomenon discoveries as Creation can only be studied if there is creative design not chaotic chance and nonsensical/inconsistent processes of Evolutionary biology and cosmological randomness. I really appreciate Cross Examined Apologetics ministry. Fellow brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you ALL. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH . He always does good work in his efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ he's reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of Macro Evolutionary biology where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
NO ONE CAN BE SAVED UNLESS GOD CALLS THEM
All hail lisa the rainbow giraffe, The one true God.
@@dogwalker666 are you enjoying your spiritual blindness?
@@Darthrocker06 lol you are the brainwashed cultist, Which one do you follow? Osiris? Thor? Ohm? So many to choose from.
@@AlexRyan313 how do you know? Is the same way the 911 bombers knew they were called by Allah to do what they did?
Mate your off your meds !! 🤡🤡🤣🤣
How I understand it is like this: We all have a path in our hearts that God sees prior to our lives. How we end up there is through the choices we have and the environment we are in. God can see the destination before we can, but we get a choice on what road we take to get there. For those who choose the narrow road, they first will take the broad road, unless you’re Jesus. God draws us who are His, but we have the choice to resist this drawing or follow it. Those who are His, which he can see before they know it, will ultimately choose him, but they’ll follow a personal journey to him.
There is also a doctrine of God's permissive will vs. God's perfect will. God will not interfere with our free will. However, he turns all things, no matter how awful, towards his purposes.
There seems to be some confusion here. God has predestined those who he would choose as his own. That is Biblical. We have free will and can choose to do whatever we want, but God has already chosen who will be his. And everyone whom he has chosen to be his will follow him. God doesn't force us to follow him, but rather, when God reveals himself to us, the veil over our eyes is lifted and we can see God clearly, and once we see, we can't unsee. We don't choose to be saved from our sin and death, because we can't save ourselves. God chooses us.
That may seem harsh to some people. But this is Biblical truth. If you accept this truth and follow him, then you know you were chosen.
well said.. very humbling to trust in Him alone.. the fact is we are all worthy of God's perfectly just judgement and wrath yet "He" chooses to have mercy on some.. thise whom He has foreknown and loved from everlasting.. such an offense to the natural mind..I love the verse in 2 Corinthians 4:6
"For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ." the very first words spoken by God in Genesis 1:3...
so refreshing to hear a fellow believer speak out against this humanistic rubbish !
If let's say there 100 ppl.. 80 of them want to be with God but God chose/president 40. What happens to those other 40 that believe and love him?
The way I always describe it is, I get into my car I set the GPS for my destination, I stop get gas or food then I get back onto my predetermined path. I come across a scenic path I detour. Sin is the detours God is the GPS the destination is heaven. Sadly some people run out of gas or get stuck on a rocky road before coming back to the way of the path.
Same, I’ve always thought of it this way to.
But you don't know what will happen on the journey. If I could see the future and in it I crash the car on the journey, I either continue and crash as prophesied which negates my free will or I take a different route which means I never saw the future because the crash never happened.
@@gango23 revised. You stray from the path, you chose detours, get flat tires run out of gas. Gods path is the perfect path no pot holes no nails but he knows we stray so he gave us Jesus to help us back to the path, but some say they are to far away and decide to try to find a new path or give up in the journey all together.
@@randybryant5618 when you say chose detours what does that mean? Because if god knows I'm going to stary then what choice do I have? Before I was born god knew I would write this so did I actually have any choice but to write this? It seems to me like i will have options but I can only take one action and that is the action god knows so the options are nothing more then illusions because I can only ever do the one thing. If I gave you a multiple choice test and knew you were going to pick answer B, you can read it do all this work ponder between answers but you are only ever going to pick B, you can't pick any other answer because I know you are picking B. Simply because you don't know what you will pick doesn't mean your answer wasn't predetermined.
@@randybryant5618 so he can't know the future then. You can't have it both ways.
God predestinated everyone to be saved, but we have the freedom to reject him. God would never force anyone to be damned.
But even before creating the universe, he already knew who was going to be saved and who was going to be damned. How can you say people have freedom, when everything is already settled, and nothing can be different than what God already knows will happen.
You see, its really hard to argue in favor of free will, while at the same believing in a God that knows everything that you will do and not do.
Maybe if God changed a flower, your whole life would be different. But he chose to create the world this way, and everything that every single human has done, was already planned by God, and he already knew you were going to do it. So, did you really choose, or was it God that chose for you?
For an outsider it sounds like: this square is so magnificent, it has rounded corners. In fact they are so round, they go seaming less into each other, so much so the outline has always the same distance from the center. What a magnificent square!
Ridiculous word salad.
Best answer ❤
you really can't use that brain of yours can you? if i have free will (no one can "give you" free will by the way) then i'm off to the beach for eternity and god can't stop me.
God knew what decision you would make based on his initial Creation. He could've changed your choices with just a slight tweak.
Is it though? 🧐
@@aomana4357 No, free will is a sovereign power given by God to both men and angels. By definition God cannot force our free will. There are no 'tweaks' that can overcome a will determined to resist God, to mock Him, to detest Him, to choose evil over good, etc. This is why demons exist and why people who reject God go to Hell for all eternity. They have chosen it.
@@MillionthUsername "reject God go to Hell..." ??? God created me a certain way, and therefore I make certain choices based on how I was created. If the universe creation would've been tweaked ever so slightly, I would've grown up different and thus make different choices. I am created by God, and he is responsible for me.... .I am an atheist btw. This is just for argument sake
The wedding at galilee is a great example of free will. Mary, the mother of Jesus told her son to help. Jesus said it wasn't time yet but his mother insisted so he did it anyway.
She didn't insist. Affer jesus responded mary turned to the servants and said do whatever he tells you.
Best way I can explain it...
God created each one of us with a perfect plan, a purpose for His will. But He gives us the free will to choose everything. And when we choose sin, the wrong thing's, bad decisions, it takes us further from God's path for us. He can always redeem us, but there are consequences. You can be forgiven but have to live with the fruits of your decisions. God never created anyone to go to Hell. He has a good plan for every life, but sin pushed them away from it, and many times, souls are damned for it.
Respectfully I think your astray from the point though I agree with you up to a degree.
If God created us with a perfect plan then the plan might be perfect but the salvation isn't. God is only capable of saving those he already knows will Choose him BECUSE he chose them . The others by not choosing them to choose him can go to hell.
If God already knows and says it's his will that all are saved he is either powerless to save that which he knows will be lost or he's a lier. Of course God is not a lier that's ridiculious therfore he's powerless to save that which he knows is lost OR he decreed it in which his plan remains perfect but negates free will because free will is a mere illusion.
That's a great response , full of truth 👏 👍💙🙌😇🕊️
we have free will and god knows what we are going to do is way different. We know what the sun will do because it has no will and only follows it’s predetermined path. Pretty words to try and deceive.
It never fails to amaze me what kind of acrobatic bending of something plain logic believers go through to make something impossible still believable.
In a universe created by an all knowing god, who knew upon creation already what every single living being throughout the entire existence of the universe would do, there cannot be any free will, everybody can do exclusively and precisely only what god upon creation already knew he would do.
If god had wanted people to behave differently, he would have created a different universe.
Furthermore, even the god himself cannot have free will, but he as well can do exclusively what he already knows he'll be doing, or in other words, all knowing and all powerful exclude one another, an all knowing god is entirely powerless, he can't change what's gonna happen.
Excellent explanation!!!
the answer as to how can circumstances be predestined and yet we still have free will is that BECAUSE we have free will there is predestination and for it to be unjust on behalf of God there would have to be coercion involved, BUT there isn’t because GOD IS PERFECT🙏🏼
He’s already chosen those who’ve truly chosen Him
So how can there be free will, if he made the choice?
@@somefuckstolemynick because you either chose Him or you chose a life without Him.The way this plays out, you can’t forget the setting. We were separated from Him. He has re-established the relationship to everyone who wants Him instead of just the Jews now. He took accountability for His creation even tho He didn’t cause us to fall. I’m telling you, the story hasn’t been told correctly, even tho you just have to read it.
@@IvebeencensoredagainOG how can I chose when “He” has already chosen? Make up your mind.
@@somefuckstolemynick He knows if you do or don’t. Honestly, it wouldn’t be something you wouldn’t know for yourself. So it’s not a trick. You just have to show up to the party.
@@somefuckstolemynick It's like when a man falls in love with a woman, he can't force her to reciprocate his love. GOD loved/chosen us, but it's our prerogative to love/choose Him back.
amen... truly explained... thanku brother
Wow, that was beautiful. A great analogy.
I was confused by this same thought, but I read a book a few years ago that explained that God knows what kinds of choices we are going to make (and the subsequent outcomes) because He knows us so well. Much like how we can sometimes anticipate certain responses or choices our own children are going to make because we know them very well. Except that God is better at it than we are, He is perfectly loving and knowing.
That example is a bad one, because God knows for sure what you will choose. A parent is just a guess based on the past actions of their sons. God already knew what you were going to choose, before creating you.
So, your example is a bad one, and if you believe in God, then you can't believe in free will.
Foreknowledge about something and to be predestined do not mean the same .💕 Greeting from Denmark
It is when you designed it with foreknowledge of how everything was going to happen.
God can't be omniscient and omnipotent if we have free will.
But God dictated every choice you made when he crafted the first atom....
Exactly 💯. That was an awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and Awesome answer from brother Frank Turek on Free Will and predestination. I don't agree with everything he says on Cross Examined ministry but I know he does his best especially when he's sick or losing his voice it seems. Many not all Atheists I've met online just repeat bad arguments using sophisticated and well structured language but disingenuous and dishonest arguments most of the time but as Jedi Master Qui Gon Jinn played by Liam Nesson said " The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" 🤣. God's Foreknowledge which means He knows All things has no bearing on our actions as Omniscience doesn't eliminate our own Free Will/ personal responsibility and accountability Christianity and theism were crucial in the development of scientific understandings and phenomenon discoveries as Creation can only be studied if there is creative design not chaotic chance and nonsensical/inconsistent processes of Evolutionary biology and cosmological randomness. I really appreciate Cross Examined Apologetics ministry. Fellow brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you ALL. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in preaching DA GOSPEL TRUTH . He always does good work in his efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ he's reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of Macro Evolutionary biology where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@mattslater2603 No He didn't actually
Cant lie this was such a bad explanation. Its like he never read the verse.
He didn’t just “know” the outcome. He chose us. Wrangle out of that.
If i knew that my neighbor was going to die in a car accident tomorrow and then deliberately chose not to save him, that would make me evil
That's a bs argument franky boy. Your god is all knowing and all powerful and most importantly supposedly all good. According to you people anyways. And an all good all powerful deity wouldn't have done things this way.
Search Jhon Mcarthur on why God allows evil, that is the biblical answer.
@@astrawboiii1853 and yet it isn't an answer.
@@astrawboiii1853 No need to watch a full hour for smth this simple.
Is God all powerfull? If yes, then could he create a world with good that had no evil?
If the answer is Yes, then he's not All good, because he could create a world without evil, yet he chose to have it anyway.
If the answer is No, then he's not all powerfull.
See how simple it is? No need for 1 hour full of fallacies and bs arguments.
@@pedropereira1285 when God created everything He said it was good, when God created man in His image He said it was “very good”, God is love, so He created us also to love, and love can’t be forced, it has to be a choice thats why we have free will, were not a machine made to just follow instructions. It’s your choice to obey to act in love and not sin, or not obey and act outside of how He intended you to be. He is all powerful, despite the infinite choices of our free will, His will, will still be done just like the how it is written in the bible, look at the new and israel, all the propechis that has been fulfilled, and is currently being fulfilled, our generation is lierally just like the bible said it would be.
@@astrawboiii1853 Like i said, could God create a world with love and without evil? If yes, then he's evil. If no, then he's not all powerfull, therefore, not God.
And i don't really think thats what you would call a "choice". If you sin, you go hell for ALL ETERNITY, do you really have a choice?
And the prophecies are being fulfilled for over 2000 years. Same with the coming of jesus. 2000 years passed, no signal of him.
You believe in whatever you want, but what you're saying makes no sense if you just stop to think about it for 5 min.
Predestination is an outcome of a set of options. Freewill means you can choose any predestination but based on certain actions you can choose predestination that's eventually beneficial in the now and hereafter. That one is the will of God.
If you have knowledge of the sunrise, you created it, you can change it on a whim, but you let it happen anyway, that means you did actually cause the sun to rise. Or at least you're responsible for it.
Therefore, God is responsible for all actions.
Proverbs 16, Genesis 50:20, Jesus crucifixion, etc. Get Reformed today ✝️🙏🏽❤️
Just because we can’t exercise compete control while also allowing others to have free will, it didn’t mean that God can’t. We reflect him, not the other way around.
Fabulous answer. Here's my question "I have a heart for the Lord, I trust Him and desire to know Him. Where did that desire come from? Surely not from me, then who, Him? I don't know.
Ur human nature. I like how u presuppose that it didn't came from u but I did
It’s so crazy how simple this answer is yet so many Reformed Christians will add unilateral determinism to that particular word which just isn’t the case
If he knew everything I was going to do before I was even born, I have no option B. It was already pre determined what I was going to do.
If god knows all things, then creating a forbidden tree, a tempting serpent, temptable humans and place them all in the same close vicinity.
Knowing full well what would happen when you left the garden, means it literally set us all up for the fall.
Very moral, very just.
So many people don't know what the word "predestined" in the Bible actually means and it bothers me. "Predestined" does not here mean, "gauranteed the outcome." Ephesians 1 doesn't refer specifically to the saved when it talks about who is predestined. ALL people are predestined to be with God, saved or not. He predestined EVERYONE, not just certain people. What the word "predestined" actually means in the context of scripture is not "going to go to heaven." it means "was intended for this purpose." God WANTS the entire human race to be saved. The fact that they won't be doesn't change whether they were predestined for that outcome or not.
the denial of free wil was the LAST argument i used against God and the gospel before i was converted, 45 years ago as of TOMORROW.
but he had words with me in my own mini Damascus road experience on the night of 30 July 1978 and that denial of free will simply went out the window.
not that the rest of my unbelief went the same way, unfortunately, for sin is more stubborn than that. but his grace continues even 45 years later
I was 19 then, now and nearly 65
I personally believe that Esther 4:12-14 sums up God's predestination pretty well... Mordecai basically told Esther that God's plans ALWAYS come to fruition, whether it's through the original vessel, or another, but there are consequences if His original vessel chooses to disobey His predestined plan.
As Hitchens said "yes I have free will, I have no choice but to have it"
Amen! Thank you Jesus Christ that we are saved by grace.
Well explained.
We either receive justice or mercy but never injustice. God gives His sheep, He predestined, saving faith. No one will ever choose Christ until He chooses them. We all deserve hell. It's amazing He even saves one of us.
The problem is knowing beforehand what the outcome is(like a person ending in hell) but not doing anything drastic to change it. I prefer to believe that free will is the reason why God knows what could happen but not what will definitively happen to a person.
Humans have a slave will to sin, which hates God, His law, and His holy will.
I personally needed God's intervention in my heart so I could come to faith - I was THAT depraved.
What would also add context for you fellow commenters is that Frank is a Molinist and believes in an idea called “Middle Knowledge”. It is a fascinating theory, and his language reflects that belief in this video although the untrained ear may miss it
He's also the only being who can be outside of time and space. He already saw everything you would choose. That's why all of the prophecies in the Bible are completely perfect and accurate.
His sheep know His voice though. Really good explanation
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:6
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins. Ephesians 2:1
Give glory where it is due. To Christ God alone.
The girl is however right. Our own free will is one that will always run away from God.
There is intervention needed from God to surpass this. He has to soften our hardened hearts.
Filippenzen 2
13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Amen. Well said. He knows all things & we do not. We have to choose who to serve this day. Have you? Do you serve yourself & your own desires, or do you serve the one true God, Jesus Christ? Surrender your life to Him this day & live with Him foe eternity. ✝️
Destiny is our beginning and our ending... our free will is the path we end up to get there
God is outside of time, he knows what was what is and what will be.. it is because of God that there is “time”
Frank doesn’t know what predestined means, predestined doesn’t mean knowledge it means your creator has created a destination and has set your path to lead you there. In other words it was our destiny to become sinner’s. If god just new what was going to happen but couldn’t do anything about it then he wouldn’t be all powerful.
Just changing the meaning huh ? U think that u know better than frank meanwhile u don't even understand what he was saying predestined here is used in context not just as the literall word it was not our destiny to become sinners but it was our free choice to sin for example were u writing this message or was god forcing u to write this message ?
To be predestined doesn't mean we can't choose. Being predestined just means that in the end we would have CHOSE certain things that led to it. We would still have to choose for the predestined thing to happen.
This verse says the same thing...
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Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, AND FROM ANCIENT TIMES THINGS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN DONE, Saying, "My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure..."
- Isaiah 46:9-10
I was literally praying a few days ago that God would help me understand this concept better, and this video pops up. Glory be to the one true King, in Jesus name, amen! 🙏
When you're making stuff up as you go, anything is possible. As long as answer a question confidently, most people will assume you're correct.
This is one of those answers I found that I knew before and would forget somehow. Thank you for this lesson. God Bless.
You forget because it doesn't make sense. That's a funny thing our brain does, when it makes no sense, it quickly forgets, but when it does make sense, you can't forget.
Everyone can be saved if its only predestination .
If its predestination and free will , alot isnt saved until they been cleansed in hell.
As a Christian..who believes AWMEN is most merciful , that has the greatest will , who sent the first born to die for us...Ive been struggling with this deeply recently.
JUST PRAY FOR WISDOM AND GOD'S HAND ON UR HEART WHILE READING THE BIBLE.
GOD WILL COME TO LIVE IN YOU, ALL WE MUST DO IS ASK
We are all sinners and out of Christ every day ! We have to pray and confess of our short comings daily in fact every minute ! The road to heaven is a very difficult and we rely on God's mercy to get to Him with the help of the sacraments of His Church ⛪
God, being outside of time, can write down the actions of free individuals future endeavors as a historical narrative. Just one of the perks of knowing everything.
Personally I hope that this would allow us the opportunity to make proper decisions in the now.
Its a paradox that ive meditated on a lot in life. Its like if you could see as clearly as God, every next step would make total sense from the previous journey of steps. Its not so much "telling the future" or "pre-destination", but rather if you see every single facet of a persons existence, the next move theyre going make is obvious. Its almost like we don't have free will after a certain point because of the series of events that led to that next "choice" that are more or less "guaranteeing" your next move.
Its always an interesting concept to ponder. Destiny and Free Will
There's a difference between foreknowledge and knowledge. You can foresee the outcome of a magic trick you've seen before, but it doesn't mean you understand said trick. Determinism is more about the implications of knowledge's existence irrespective of one's possession of that knowledge. No one is arguing that you possessing that knowledge means you somehow have inserted yourself into that rigid cause-and-effect explanation. It just means you can understand what you may have already foreseen coming by having already witnessed it beforehand.
Very good explanation!
The Outcome for Accepting The Offer is SET.
The elected aspect of salvation is that God knew from the beginning that man would sin and the only way for us to be saved is for him to send his own son Jesus to pay for our sin. We are elect when we except God's plan for salvation