Why So Angry, German Theater? Crash Course Theater #27
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Theater had a slow start in Germany, mainly because Germany wasn't really a thing until relatively recent times. After Germany finally became a unified state, it had a couple of really important theatrical movements. Today we'll talk about Sturm and Drang, as well as Weimar Classicism. We'll also get into the work of the greatest German playwright, Goethe, and look at his play Faust in the Thought Bubble.
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After *CrashCourse Theater* ends, I definitely want a *CrashCourse Music.*
Let's do that so we can talk about music history, theory, and composition
"Sturm und Drang" is more like "Storm and Urge". (Here more in the sense of "passion", as described in the video.) 😉❤️
Amazing Crash Course, by the way 👌👍😁
Haha, yes, Faust gets saved in the second part, since he actually only says that he *could* say he wants this moment to last forever.
Grammar saves lives.
Problem is saying" Ich könnte sagen verweile hier es ist so schön "was pretty much the polite equivalent of saying "Verweile hier es ist so schön". Mephistoteles was right to take him down to hell with him. God was a cheater. And the angels actually explain it by saying anyone who does not give up and strives for the greater good will always be saved. Grammar did not save him. It was literally deus ex machina.
@@Weltenbastler2000 My thoughts exactly when I read it. It's really quibbling.
Nah, it has nothing to do with politeness. It’s the subjunctive.
It's not a polite move, it's just a subjunctive… would be really untypical for Faust to be honestly polite tbh :D
id say he is pretty full of himself and his legacy in that last speech,
which means the devil wins.
He is saved only because God cheats -.-
Pretty cool episode! Faust really is kind of a sum of so many movements and ideas is amazing. Saw both parts performed together a few years back (took about 10-11h) and it really was phenomenal.
I think you could've mentioned Lessing's "Nathan the wise" (a play about religious freedom, and tolerance between Muslims, Jewish people and Christians at in Jerusalem) when talking about him, because that one's a curious case. Also mentioning some 20th century German theatre like Brecht would've been a cool insight.
Between all of the mispronounciation, I am truly amazed Mike pronounced Goethe correctly
Okay, I have to correct you: Georg Büchner was NOT a writer in the era of Romantisicm. Yes, he lived around that time, but there were several movements during that time. He was more part of 'Vormärz' (pre-march). And 'Woyzeck' is something entirely different. I feel like it was written about 50 years too early, because it would fit much better in the period of 'realism' or 'naturalism'. Bur it's definitely no romantic piece of literature..
Only the Germans are so picky about what to call romanticism. That is why for ages in nearly all the world's literary traditions, people tended to appropriate a lot of the very specific "not quite" romantic literary works to romanticism. Goethe was for centuries seen as romantic poet outside of Germany, since it did not make sense to anyone else why there should be not only one but two whole esthetic movements that basically only consisted of Goethe and Schiller.
Also the German understanding of romanticism is very different from what the rest of the world would call romanticism.
I'm a senior in undergrad about to get my bachelors degree in theatre. I love, love, LOVE this series, but I would be interested in seeing an episode on technical theatre. Either way, keep doing what you're doing and thank you! :)
Reading Faust at school was more fun than I expected as was discussing it:
Me: "So, we have a genius scholar who is bemoaning his inability to ever reach his full potential during his life on Earth. The moment he has the devil at his service, he makes himself look hot and tries to get into an innocent girl's pants, only to desert her and party with some horny witches. Did I get this right?"
Teacher: Well, yeah, pretty much.
Also, a lame cash-in sequel that tries to upstage the original put kind of falls flat in all areas.
Sturm und Drang is better translated as Storm and Drive.
In Germany we read Faust in school and its even more messed up than it sounds here because Gretchen is only 14. But a cool thing about it is that the bar that Faust and Mephistopheles visit is real and since my grade's class trip is to Leipzig (where the play is set) this year, we'll be able to actually visit it.
sometimes when me and my friends met for a drink in the evening we used to speaspeak "Auerbachs Keller".
+Peter Kurth *speak of
Basically one year of German class in a few minutes, nice 😊
What's the difference between power and tenure?
Mephistopheles couldn't get Faust tenure.
I love how Mike always looks like he's letting us in on a hilarious secret or inside joke. It really makes these fun to watch!
Mike being involved in an obscure, fragmentary German play about LSD and death is extremely on-brand for him xD
German theater? Well, now i learned even more. I'm learning German history! Yes
Camilo Iribarren Good for you just remember during WWII there were no Nazists only Germans. Term Nazi was introduced by German propaganda to distance Germans from their crimes during WWII.
Michal Rafael I knew that but I didn’t learned a lot of German history before the 1900’s. This is old German history and I love learning
Verweile doch, du bist so schön
Darf er das?
Bin ich ein Gott? Mir wird so licht!
Okay, those two, counting yours, were the only lines I can quote in German.
I'm currently reading The Awakening of Spring and....
it's intense
Kant was NOT a romantic thinker. He postulated that the reality is impossible to understand and perceive in its essence, but also that the only way to understand the visible phoenomena and make reality coherent despite subjective perception was pure reason. Such was the power of reaon for him that he thought it could establish what was truly beatiful and could establish OBJECTVE morality and models do predict and explain natural phoenomena.
Exactly, and Kant also had a radically different approach towards beauty in arts.. it would have been much more suitable to mention him with respect to Weimarer Klassik.
I can’t wait for the Theater of the Absurd & Brecht/Beckett!
Really good, concise summary, of a loooot of stuff 🤯🤓 Takes me back to high school German 😂
Melange is Gemisch or Mischung . German has many words for the same concept , which makes it great for Poetry .
Today is the perfect Day to start learning German .
I would like to know more about German Lieder .
Thank you .
Also it is totally fine to just use the word Mélange but one has then to incorporate the most sneering Viennese accent one is capable of butchering.
Sry but I have to correct something:
5:40m : Rousseau and Kant weren't in the Romanticsm… they lived at the time of Enlightenment (Aufklärung in German).
That's quite a big mistake over there!
Rationalism is more a base to Enlightenment than to Romanticism...
The 60 year progress of making the "Faust-tragedy" was probably a bit confusing for you in Terms of eras because it fits into Sturm & Drang, Weimar classic, romanticism and enlightenment.
Faust is a very complex Drama and Goethe would never agree that this is just a romantic Drama in any case… especially if you know that it was divided in two separate parts.
The romantic aspects in Faust are related to the religious Questions appearing mostly in conversations with Mephisto, the witches plots and Gretchens Songs.
Mephisto is not characterized as "bad guy" per se, he's more kind of an Enlightener or nearly kind of a philosoph himself but cacohuetes being stuck in his Role as Devil and Antagonist to heaven/ God. Goethe also Plays with the fact that God and Mephisto both "gamble" with Faustus' life in order to gain his Soul.... kinda unlikely for sinfree god, isn't it? SO Goethe criticizes Religion a lot in These parts of the Story...
In fact the plot in heaven is a sign for a Weimar classic Drama. Also the main focus in the beginning on "Bildung" and education is definitely classic.
The Gretchen Tragedy is definitely orientating on Sturm und Drang focussing on the Problem Emotion vs. Rational thinking…
Just some Input from me, but if you correct those aspects, it's a very nice overview on German Drama!
VIelen Dank from Southern Germany and a German teaching Student :D
As far as I got it they didn't say that those two were part of romanticism, but that ideas by them inspired the movement. Which is arguable as well, but not necessarily wrong.
Ich habe Goethe und Schiller lieb.
9:30 look on the wall of the house. It’s the sign of the Deathy hollows.
Thank God, a channel with people who can pronounce German words.
wasn't Sturm und Drang that bulgarian school in harry potter
Feel like I'm back in school. 5 years of German literature in a few minutes.
Great video!!
& editing was quiet good.
I hope one day I can shoot videos like this :D
Btw: Gretchen ist 14 yo
faust is 58 ;)
We spent a whole year on Sturm und Drang in high school
The german word for melange is “Mischung”
or simply also "Melange" :-)
Part 2 is even stranger than part 1 of Faust. I've read it but I can't imagine how it would be performed.
Royal Shakespeare Company did a great condensed version of each a few years ago (3 hours each in snappy modern English). Track the script down
What a fine fine episode!
Hey I'm early... DO AN EPISODE ABOUT OPERA! Opera is theatre too, I feel discriminated as an opera fan :'(
@Anna Heebsh yeah they kind of skipped oratoria with the liturgical drama episode as well, kind of a staple of drama as well!
Oh, the playlist is updated again! Wait, where's episode 26?
Too short! More please!
Wait a second... since when was Germany unified in the 18th century? Germany online started to exist in 1871..
Have you seen our weather?
THANK YOU
This series is really good I just want to say
Sturm und Drang I think would be translated much better by "Storm and strive" than "Storm and stress"
Woh! Before this vid I had not realized the parallels of todays cinematic writers and narrative revolutions from the past. I always thought romanticism was 300 year old love stories about Mr Darcy or the last of Mohicans.
Love stories about Mr. Darcy are more like 200 years old.
It’s subtle, but I saw what you did there when you counted to three.
I suspect "savages of Canada" refers to the Native peoples of Canada, who were called "savages" by Europeans such as Friedrich the Great, so you might want to more specifically say to "sorry" to them. If what I'm saying is correct (and that quote wasn't Friedrich suggesting white pioneer Canadians have no taste in the arts) using that quote might be a bit like using a quote with the N-word without prefacing it with some historical context.
That being said, I liked the subtle "not so Great Frederick if you ask me" line just after that. I didn't even notice you slipped it in there, but it does do a little bit to distance editorial voice from his, which is even more important if you're going to use a quote about "the savages of Canada."
R Dreher .....
point
👍
Dude shut up.
Another great episode
Fantastic counting use
I love how Mephisto takes the form of a poodle!
That play spring awakening was based on was German... so yeah
And for a Second there I thought that Richard Wagner, was referring to Donald, but then Wagner would Either be a Jedi, or a Sith Lord, to Foresee that.
Could you please talk about SSD (somatic symptom disorder)?
Jokes about sausage are the wurst.
7:57 Faust
Getting saved by grammar is one of the most German things you could write.
Where is the next episode of Crash Course Theater?? It's already been a week
ikr? I'm worried 🙀
I AM WAITING FOR GUDOE
Do Artillery only
Lol.. “not that you’d want to”.
Faust is great, but it seems like Goethe was on drugs while writing the second part....
Yeah, that's what I thought too hahaha xD
Faust I is one of my most favourite dramas actually... But Faust II was a no-go
Well, there's a reason he sealed it off and said it shoulden't be opened and read until after his death haha
What's happening CrashCourse? Where's my new episode? I'm worried?
Three Woyceks? You poor thing!
Again why are we not doing an episode on Opera!?!?
we may
What do people have against our theatre … it's just based on our pessimistic philosophy and world view! *sulking in a corner*
Faust or faustus?
Can you pls make a video about the movie "The Philosophers"? Pls.😢
Sooo... Is no one going to point out that Immanuel Kant was actually quite famously AGAINST romanticism and instead a representative of the following Era, the age of enlightenment?
Generally preceding, not following... even if Faust 1&2 do it the other way round... But you're on the right track
Simric Yarrow You're right, my bad. Age of enlightenment was after romanticism.
do we get viennese comedy, ie nestroy, raimund, pawlatschnbühnen?
I have heard about all of this over 10 years ago in school, but I remember so little about it.
Thanks for the video. You're basically irnoning out the gaps that the German educational system has left me with. :D
Would anyone happen to know the name/artist of the painting at 5:40?
Please do a crash course on law
yes!
...and music
...and maths
...and Theatre production... Theater??
Hope you go back to Asia and cover Takarazuka. 🤓
That sounded like perfect German.
I'm still anticipating the avant garde of theater.
What about Russian or Arabic theater?
Sounds like Lars von Trier.
Von Trier actually heavily did draw from Brecht, especially in the earlier works.
Cant find the episode on Meldrama. #28 to be precise. Anyone ?
Dermstange in harry potter?
Iz jus play
Question for everyone:
How does what we know about an author/artist/composer color our appreciation of their work? Should Wagner’s anti-Semitism lower his standing in the ranks of great composers?
5:51 "Also argued humans are at there best shirtless on a horse." Typo 'there' should be possessive 'their'. Also, I agree.
Wait, the devil went down to Faust in the form of a poodle?!?!? (At 8:39). WTF??? That makes the play doubly-weird. I always thought that the devil disguised himself as a handsome man/beautiful woman to seduce Faust. Bizarre...
Luboman411 are you saying you haven’t been seduced by a sexy poodle before? Yeah right...
nope, just an annoying poodle that follows him for a bit. When he transforms himself into a human form (disguised as a scholar) Faust exclaims “That was the poodles core!” (Das war also des Pudels Kern!) which is now a common German saying used when something turns out not to be what it seemed.
@@ninamarie177 I never heard this saying actually... Where do you use that? I'm from Baden-Württemberg...
Love that guy.
Beecher said
basically the proto-emo wave
7:47 three the Germans use that as there three
Did he just mention Richard Wagner?
I am not a Wagnerian please don't bring down your hordes of accusations upon me for asking!
Those bavarian stereotypes.
I'd love Kant if he weren't so hard to read.
I'm just trying to imagine a world in which people read Immanuel Kant, of all things and then drop out of school.
Shouldn't we be talking about Opera in here? You can't separate out the histories of French and German opera traditions from the straight theatre.
Yeah it's interesting, especially since musical theatre kind of had a foothold in Germany already, Schütz wrote an opera... But these little footnotes are annoying, they name Lully in the Mollière episode but just mention he introduced opera to France... And now Wagner?? Come on crashcourse!
3 more videos for the 1,000nd!!
Des Pudels Kern...
Had to read göthes faust today. Whatever that guy smoked. I want some!
Mr Ubanity unlike many German words, Goethe is actually written with an “oe” and not an “ö” but it’s pronounced the same way.
6:38 Why would one segue from Wagner's criticism of "lying and fraud and hypocrisy" to him being an anti-Semite?
Because Wagner blamed all of those things on the Jewish people
Because Wagner was moralizing and yet at the same time believing immoral things about Jewish people. He was being a hypocrite.
I know right!? That line was so out of place. I don't care if it's true that Wagner was an anti-semite or not, because it has nothing to do with the previous sentence. The more I try to work it out why this would be 'worth noting', it almost seems to me like Mike is talking in favour of anti-semitism (seeing how Wagner detests the deplorable conditions of his time and hey, wouldn't you know it, he's an anti-semite guys!), which I'm sure isn't his intent. A really confusing line, to be sure.
+John Fist Thank you! I was beginning to worry that it was just me.
I didn't feel confused about it; but perhaps because I'm already familiar with Wagner and his flagrant hypocrisy. His writings and much of his music revolves around the loftiest of principles, and he would condemn the entirety of the modern world (or at least modern Germany) in just such a way as that quote. And it sounds awesome, doesn't it? It sounds like the sort of person you could agree with.
So the noting that Wagner was an anti-semite reads more like a "It sounds too good to be true, and yeah, it is. Don't go agreeing with Wagner on everything he says."
Again though - I've read a ton about Wagner, and for someone who isn't familiar, maybe it would be confusing.
Last but not least - Mike's facial expression - I've seen him make that face before; it's his "wow I wish I didn't have to say this quote because the person I'm quoting is full of it" face.
So hey good new Sturm and Drang: Angry German Philosophy and anti-modernism are making a comeback in the United States!
Woo.....
Goethe < Schiller!!! Faust sucks so much and pretty much everything Schiller wrote is better
And America ...make america great again lmao
Haci está el. Mundo por culpa del clasismo y el romanticismo...
I'm just here to laugh about you guys mispronouncing German words :P
Another video about Germany by Crashcours that is riddled with errors.
Get it together you guys - the German culture is not exactly exotic to the american one.
11th comment baby
Why so angry, German people?
WE'RE NOT ANGRY!!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM??? YOU WANT A PROBLEM??? WE'RE CALM AND PEACEFUL!!!!111!
varana312 LOL
alfyn Oh, my god, you guys actually DO have a sense of humor!
Don't make fun about our sense of humor! It is very serious to us!!!11!
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Congrats