@Dimitrij Fedorov there is no need to guess though, there is plenty of information about what they did at the time. but it is more entertaining to hear about their deeds in a video format, so i won't go into details for this reason on one hand. on the other hand i did not research this topic in-depth so i would rather leave it to an expert.
These were decisive events of the history for sure! If the Mongols didn’t destroy the Hungarians in Magna Hungaria and they could settle down in Hungary as the Hungarian king whished, that would have been a huge reinforcement for the Hungarian population of the Carpathian basin. But instead the Mongol invasion left the country devastated with around 50% of its population killed and the country had to be repopulated with non-Hungarian people: Cumans, Jasz, Germans, Slavs, Wallachians. No wonder Hungary became so multinational.
Magyar Hungarians fascinate me because before we learned we were Rusyn, we thought we were either Slovaks or Hungarians (and we really are part Slovak still). My family lived in Hungary before coming here, to the US, so I have special heart for Hungary. Thank you so much for sharing!!! It is interesting to see how this friar made such a daring journey east and survived to warn the king! It's too bad none of these eastern Hungarians were able to survive (as a culture). But FASCINATING! Thank you! :)
I agree, would've been really interesting to have essentially two different Hungarian nations in the world. Knew I wanted to do a Hungary video but didn't want to do just some general history so here we are :) . Where around did your family live in Hungary?
@@lemkowithhistory My great grandfather was born in Alsóregmec (baptized at the GC church in Mikóháza, where his mother and her family had lived). My great grandmother was born in Széphalom, but that side of the family may or may not be Rusyn (some were GCs with Rusyn names while others appear to have been RC and probably Slovak). That great-grandmother was baptized in Velky Kazimir (now Kazimir) just over the border. My father's recent 23andMe DNA came back with all of the obvious indicators of Rusyn ancestry (Slovak, Polish, Ukrainian, and then some "Greek & Balkans" DNA), but interestingly, he also received some Russian and HUNGARIAN DNA. Now I really wonder if we had an actual Magyar Hungarian ancestor somewhere in our tree. Quite interesting to say the least, but either way, Hungary was home for our family for at least 100+ years in time (from the late 1700s until the first years of the 1900s, when they came here).
Very interesting. I love learning about other nomadic peoples, I see the parallels between my people (Kirgiz) and the Hungarians, how we both came from Siberia but ended up in lands many hundreds of miles away. In their case they came from modern Bashkortostan and the Kirgiz came from modern Khakassia, both located within the Russian Federation.
The story of the Hungarians is a really interesting historical enigma,one,that really shows how a people,who lived so far away from their homeland can reach their new one. Great video!
@@hungarianhistoryiii.1359 Isn't it true that the genetic trace of the old Hungarians is very small? From what I've read the original Magyars were mostly the ruling class after arriving in Pannonia.
@@lemkowithhistory first hungarians were scythians between wiener basin and mongolia. our rulers relatives the present days north afgan people, karacay, balkar from caucasus and bashkir. its 3 lingustic group now. uralic, turkic, aryan. the ancient semples of z2123 all are scythian. in xiongnu, eu hun, avar, sarmatian, iron aged scythian, sintastha, andronovo, srubnaya, corded ware .
I didnt expect videos about Hungarian stuffs, but this is great! Fun fact: There is a small tribe in Kazakhstan that call themselves Madjars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madjars
It is very important to distinguish between Hungarians and Magyars. Many languages do not see difference, but for people living in Kingdom of Hungary is very, very important. Nations are modern concept, unknown for middle ages. Remember, current Magyar republic is not cut off Kingdom of Hungary, but one of successor states.
@@Janiside Words have meaning and behind meaning is reason. History is not one side coin. Wisdom provide us to try search truth. I'm working on Esterházy János (1901-1957) case, and question is, what we can learn from his life. How do not make same mistakes. Kingdom of Hungary gone, why? For many, because of ignorance of minorities, same as today in many places :/
Another good video. Also I have a suggestion for you: A series of videos talking about the Rusyns and Rusyn lands in major political entities throughout history. For example Kingdom of Hungary, Austria-Hungary, The first Czechoslovak republic and the Soviet union.
That is a fantasitic idea, thanks for the suggestion. Will be fun to talk about how Rusyn areas were part of Translyvania for quite a bit of time. Thanks for watching as always!
It would be interesting to figure out why in high school we were taught that Rusyns didn't even want to break away from Hungary after WW1 and the Treaty of Trianon. Based on your other videos they had many factions all with the shared goal to break away in one way or the other. Were there any Rusyns who would have preferred to stay?
There was certainly a faction that thought of themselves as loyal to the Kingdom of Hungary, you see this especially in Subcarpathian Rus' during the interwar period. I don't have exact stats for you but it was less popular than joing Czechoslovakia by a good amount.
Lovely video, just one minor addition: the battle of Muhi was not as one-sided as the results suggest. Knowing their tactics was a great help during the battle and the Hungarian army almost forced them to retreat, even though it was approximately only 1/3 of the size that potentially could have been fielded due to disloyal vassals, a mysterious plot that resulted in the death of Khan Köten, leader of the Cuman refugees, which angered the Cumans and provoked them to pillage the southwestern part of the kingdom, and finally a clever strategic move by Subotai when he sent a part of his army to the southeast into Transylvania, tying down the locals in a series of defensive skirmishes. Still that battle was a close victory for the Mongols. In the end however they indeed obliterated the country. :( Not long after the king returned with his loyal Croatian troops and beaten the Mongols bad enough to force them to retreat. Possibly the death of the Khagan also played a role. The next time the Mongols tried to invade the country, they were beaten so badly Talabuga had to flee the country on foot according to the legend. They did not come back until the 16th century. :) Cheers!
You raise great points about the battle of Mohi, had no idea about the Cumans and their role in the first attack.The two main Mongol invasions of Hungary are quite interesting from what I've read about them, especially the massive improvements made by Hungary in terms of fortifcations after the first invasion. Many of the castles even stand to this day that were built in anticipation from what I've found. Julians work was also supposedly vital later on to other european nations attacked as well.
@@lemkowithhistory the Cumans were supposed to help us but someone, we don't know who hired an assasin to kill Köten who was under the personal protection of Béla. Now understandably the death of their Khan made the Cumans flip out for a good reason.
Actually today too there are some traces of the scattered remains of these Magna Hungarians. It is known that in Uzbekistan, other Central Asian states and Mongolia and the Caucasus there are tribes, clans who have the name Madjar, Madyar. It is probably that they were scattered by the Mongol attack of 1236-37. julianusbaratai.blog.hu/2017/10/25/magyarok_belso-_es_kozep-azsiaban These people of course lost their language and became Turkicized, Mongolized. In 2007 a Hungarian research team visited the Madyars from Kazachstan and took genetic samples from them, which resulted that they have genetic ties with the population of Hungary. Also in Nepal lives a nation called Magars, who have many cultural similarities with the Hungarian folk culture (shamanic practices, funeral pilons resembling with the "kopjafa" put on the graves by the Székely Hungarians, etc.). However it seems that these Magars broke off much earlier than the 13th century, maybe 1500-2000 years ago. thehimalayanvoice.blogspot.com/2017/05/is-there-any-relation-between-magars-of.html
An unexpected video (as it is about hungarians), but great and I have a special like for Friar Julianus and his quest. There are things, I would add, as recent DNA researches (published in this year) brought big changes regarding the origins of hungarians, and some data (fe. maps based on finno-ugric hypothesis) you show in the video are out of date since. Hungarian "ancient" homeland is depending on what age you check. If you check neolitic age, it is Europe, mainly Carpathian-basin. If you check Bronze Age, it's North-Mesopotamy, Bactria. If you check Iron age, see hungarians among scythians, later among huns. Divide between eastern-magyars of Baskiria and magyars happened 2000 years ago. I do recommend to read the article (www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z), and do some research on what does it mean. Spoiler alert, it rewrites many pages in history books you learned from.
first and foremost do what is your passion. this short overview of this important event already made most of us happy i think. we shouldn't be insatiable. :D
Многие русские археологи и этнографы считают предками венгров народы хантов и манси, которые сейчас живут на Урале и в Западной Сибири. Их язык похож на венгерский.
@Dimitrij Fedorov This brings up an interesting topic, which languages change quicker than others. Think for example Japanese has not changed very much.
Somewhere I read about Etymons that are one word's most ancient form. Modern day Hungarian contains about 68% etymons, so I guess we could understand 2/3 part of what our ancestors spoke.
There is the oldest known and surviving contiguous Hungarian text, written by one scribal hand in the Latin script and dating to 1192-1195. It is found on f.154a of the Codex Pray. It is: Funeral Sermon and Prayer. This text is still taught in hungarian schools all over the Carpathian basin, I also learned it in hungarian school in Slovakia. It sounds weird but it is fully understandable more than 800 years after it was written down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_Sermon_and_Prayer
guys, don't forget that the modern Hungarians are not Hungarians by blood. Now it is basically a mixture composed mainly from Slavs and by some part of Germans, Valaches, the early Huns, Avars, etc.Genetically they are actually very related to its neighbours.
@Vér Gyöngy that seems interesting, I will check that out. Funny is that after all, we all are mostly kind of mixture of other "ethnicities" and "nations"...
Would you want to see a video similar to this on the 1848 Hungarian Revolution?
sure thing
+ Rákóczi - freedomsfight mixed with Rusyns as gens fidelissima :)
gens fidelissima indeed :)
@Dimitrij Fedorov there is no need to guess though, there is plenty of information about what they did at the time. but it is more entertaining to hear about their deeds in a video format, so i won't go into details for this reason on one hand. on the other hand i did not research this topic in-depth so i would rather leave it to an expert.
@Dimitrij Fedorov disagreeing for the sake of disagreement never pays off. :)
Yes!!!!!
Hungarian here. Very interesting video,respect. I would like to visit the Volga -Kama rivers one day
These were decisive events of the history for sure! If the Mongols didn’t destroy the Hungarians in Magna Hungaria and they could settle down in Hungary as the Hungarian king whished, that would have been a huge reinforcement for the Hungarian population of the Carpathian basin. But instead the Mongol invasion left the country devastated with around 50% of its population killed and the country had to be repopulated with non-Hungarian people: Cumans, Jasz, Germans, Slavs, Wallachians. No wonder Hungary became so multinational.
Not to mention the complete devastation of Lower Hungary by the Ottomans as well. Two major blows to the Hungarian majority.
Indeed
Magyar Hungarians fascinate me because before we learned we were Rusyn, we thought we were either Slovaks or Hungarians (and we really are part Slovak still). My family lived in Hungary before coming here, to the US, so I have special heart for Hungary. Thank you so much for sharing!!! It is interesting to see how this friar made such a daring journey east and survived to warn the king! It's too bad none of these eastern Hungarians were able to survive (as a culture). But FASCINATING! Thank you! :)
I agree, would've been really interesting to have essentially two different Hungarian nations in the world. Knew I wanted to do a Hungary video but didn't want to do just some general history so here we are :) . Where around did your family live in Hungary?
@@lemkowithhistory My great grandfather was born in Alsóregmec (baptized at the GC church in Mikóháza, where his mother and her family had lived). My great grandmother was born in Széphalom, but that side of the family may or may not be Rusyn (some were GCs with Rusyn names while others appear to have been RC and probably Slovak). That great-grandmother was baptized in Velky Kazimir (now Kazimir) just over the border. My father's recent 23andMe DNA came back with all of the obvious indicators of Rusyn ancestry (Slovak, Polish, Ukrainian, and then some "Greek & Balkans" DNA), but interestingly, he also received some Russian and HUNGARIAN DNA. Now I really wonder if we had an actual Magyar Hungarian ancestor somewhere in our tree. Quite interesting to say the least, but either way, Hungary was home for our family for at least 100+ years in time (from the late 1700s until the first years of the 1900s, when they came here).
This was super interesting!! I loved the mapping details in the vids!!!! Keep up the good work!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting. I love learning about other nomadic peoples, I see the parallels between my people (Kirgiz) and the Hungarians, how we both came from Siberia but ended up in lands many hundreds of miles away. In their case they came from modern Bashkortostan and the Kirgiz came from modern Khakassia, both located within the Russian Federation.
The story of the Hungarians is a really interesting historical enigma,one,that really shows how a people,who lived so far away from their homeland can reach their new one. Great video!
agree, but the Árpáds dna (r1a z2123) found in a bronze aged skleton in szólád, hungary.
@@hungarianhistoryiii.1359 Isn't it true that the genetic trace of the old Hungarians is very small? From what I've read the original Magyars were mostly the ruling class after arriving in Pannonia.
@@lemkowithhistory first hungarians were scythians between wiener basin and mongolia. our rulers relatives the present days north afgan people, karacay, balkar from caucasus and bashkir. its 3 lingustic group now. uralic, turkic, aryan. the ancient semples of z2123 all are scythian. in xiongnu, eu hun, avar, sarmatian, iron aged scythian, sintastha, andronovo, srubnaya, corded ware .
I was surprised how accurate you are in the details. Great job, will consider subscribing to your patreon 👍
Thanks for watching! Regardless if you subscribe or not I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
I didnt expect videos about Hungarian stuffs, but this is great!
Fun fact: There is a small tribe in Kazakhstan that call themselves Madjars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madjars
I would've never known, thanks for the link! I plan to do all of former Austria-Hungary area history so plenty more to come :)
It is very important to distinguish between Hungarians and Magyars. Many languages do not see difference, but for people living in Kingdom of Hungary is very, very important. Nations are modern concept, unknown for middle ages.
Remember, current Magyar republic is not cut off Kingdom of Hungary, but one of successor states.
propaganda
@@Janiside Words have meaning and behind meaning is reason. History is not one side coin. Wisdom provide us to try search truth.
I'm working on Esterházy János (1901-1957) case, and question is, what we can learn from his life. How do not make same mistakes.
Kingdom of Hungary gone, why? For many, because of ignorance of minorities, same as today in many places :/
@@marekrejko They dream again at Greater Hungary. They forget that we were already there. No one steps on the same shit twice.
Another good video. Also I have a suggestion for you: A series of videos talking about the Rusyns and Rusyn lands in major political entities throughout history. For example Kingdom of Hungary, Austria-Hungary, The first Czechoslovak republic and the Soviet union.
That is a fantasitic idea, thanks for the suggestion. Will be fun to talk about how Rusyn areas were part of Translyvania for quite a bit of time. Thanks for watching as always!
I also suggested a video in the theme of Subcarpathia between 1939-1944, but this one is much better!
Great video! But I think some good music on the background would take it to a new level!
It would be interesting to figure out why in high school we were taught that Rusyns didn't even want to break away from Hungary after WW1 and the Treaty of Trianon. Based on your other videos they had many factions all with the shared goal to break away in one way or the other. Were there any Rusyns who would have preferred to stay?
There was certainly a faction that thought of themselves as loyal to the Kingdom of Hungary, you see this especially in Subcarpathian Rus' during the interwar period. I don't have exact stats for you but it was less popular than joing Czechoslovakia by a good amount.
Lovely video, just one minor addition: the battle of Muhi was not as one-sided as the results suggest. Knowing their tactics was a great help during the battle and the Hungarian army almost forced them to retreat, even though it was approximately only 1/3 of the size that potentially could have been fielded due to disloyal vassals, a mysterious plot that resulted in the death of Khan Köten, leader of the Cuman refugees, which angered the Cumans and provoked them to pillage the southwestern part of the kingdom, and finally a clever strategic move by Subotai when he sent a part of his army to the southeast into Transylvania, tying down the locals in a series of defensive skirmishes. Still that battle was a close victory for the Mongols. In the end however they indeed obliterated the country. :( Not long after the king returned with his loyal Croatian troops and beaten the Mongols bad enough to force them to retreat. Possibly the death of the Khagan also played a role. The next time the Mongols tried to invade the country, they were beaten so badly Talabuga had to flee the country on foot according to the legend. They did not come back until the 16th century. :) Cheers!
You raise great points about the battle of Mohi, had no idea about the Cumans and their role in the first attack.The two main Mongol invasions of Hungary are quite interesting from what I've read about them, especially the massive improvements made by Hungary in terms of fortifcations after the first invasion. Many of the castles even stand to this day that were built in anticipation from what I've found. Julians work was also supposedly vital later on to other european nations attacked as well.
@@lemkowithhistory the Cumans were supposed to help us but someone, we don't know who hired an assasin to kill Köten who was under the personal protection of Béla. Now understandably the death of their Khan made the Cumans flip out for a good reason.
What a great episode. Same vein as the slavic gathering talk whcih I found good too cheers 🍺
harika
Actually today too there are some traces of the scattered remains of these Magna Hungarians. It is known that in Uzbekistan, other Central Asian states and Mongolia and the Caucasus there are tribes, clans who have the name Madjar, Madyar. It is probably that they were scattered by the Mongol attack of 1236-37. julianusbaratai.blog.hu/2017/10/25/magyarok_belso-_es_kozep-azsiaban These people of course lost their language and became Turkicized, Mongolized. In 2007 a Hungarian research team visited the Madyars from Kazachstan and took genetic samples from them, which resulted that they have genetic ties with the population of Hungary.
Also in Nepal lives a nation called Magars, who have many cultural similarities with the Hungarian folk culture (shamanic practices, funeral pilons resembling with the "kopjafa" put on the graves by the Székely Hungarians, etc.). However it seems that these Magars broke off much earlier than the 13th century, maybe 1500-2000 years ago. thehimalayanvoice.blogspot.com/2017/05/is-there-any-relation-between-magars-of.html
An unexpected video (as it is about hungarians), but great and I have a special like for Friar Julianus and his quest. There are things, I would add, as recent DNA researches (published in this year) brought big changes regarding the origins of hungarians, and some data (fe. maps based on finno-ugric hypothesis) you show in the video are out of date since.
Hungarian "ancient" homeland is depending on what age you check. If you check neolitic age, it is Europe, mainly Carpathian-basin. If you check Bronze Age, it's North-Mesopotamy, Bactria. If you check Iron age, see hungarians among scythians, later among huns. Divide between eastern-magyars of Baskiria and magyars happened 2000 years ago.
I do recommend to read the article (www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z), and do some research on what does it mean. Spoiler alert, it rewrites many pages in history books you learned from.
Interesting article, thanks for the link :)
A Rusyn making documentaries about Hungarians? That's odd.
I thought all our neighbors hated us. Well, this is a welcoming surprise.
I would say Hungarians are my favorite neighbors, followed by Slovaks as second.
Good job. More Hungarian stuff please.
I'll do my best, love doing Rusyn stuff the most though.
first and foremost do what is your passion. this short overview of this important event already made most of us happy i think. we shouldn't be insatiable. :D
What about video about Rusyns in current territory of Poland? "Wisła" action. Or about Ukrainization of Rusyns?
I already have a video on Ukrainization of Rusyns, a video on Lemko Rusyns and Vistula is a very good idea though.
Многие русские археологи и этнографы считают предками венгров народы хантов и манси, которые сейчас живут на Урале и в Западной Сибири. Их язык похож на венгерский.
so this is why those crazies are all about tUrAnIsIm
Not only because of that my maaan
@@myhal-k okay kush man
Hungarian can be understood 500 years apart but not english? Doesn't seem right to me.
Lot's of french introduction from what I was taught is a reason
I am Hungarian, I read 400+ year old books with not much effort. As long as it's printed it's pretty easy to understand at least for me.
@Dimitrij Fedorov This brings up an interesting topic, which languages change quicker than others. Think for example Japanese has not changed very much.
Somewhere I read about Etymons that are one word's most ancient form. Modern day Hungarian contains about 68% etymons, so I guess we could understand 2/3 part of what our ancestors spoke.
There is the oldest known and surviving contiguous Hungarian text, written by one scribal hand in the Latin script and dating to 1192-1195. It is found on f.154a of the Codex Pray. It is: Funeral Sermon and Prayer. This text is still taught in hungarian schools all over the Carpathian basin, I also learned it in hungarian school in Slovakia. It sounds weird but it is fully understandable more than 800 years after it was written down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_Sermon_and_Prayer
guys, don't forget that the modern Hungarians are not Hungarians by blood. Now it is basically a mixture composed mainly from Slavs and by some part of Germans, Valaches, the early Huns, Avars, etc.Genetically they are actually very related to its neighbours.
th-cam.com/video/sQQSBrYfEMM/w-d-xo.html
@Vér Gyöngy that seems interesting, I will check that out. Funny is that after all, we all are mostly kind of mixture of other "ethnicities" and "nations"...
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