I was a MOUT Instructor back in my day. I’ll tell you honestly that most people live in Towns, suburbs or Cities not up in the mountains so It’s imperative that militia teach MOUT because that’s where the fight is going to happen.
I guess it depends on why there is a fight. Cities are going to be quickly depleted of anything useful. If I don't live in a city, why would I go there?
@@gator7082if shtf/the country goes downhill and you want to take it back you will eventually need to go into the cities to take THEM back. It’s not a want my friend, it will be an absolute NEED
Cities are the best battlefield for irregular fighters vs a conventional army. Too many corners to watch, hard to avoid collateral (unless you're a scumbag zionist), and you are forced to fight in closer ranges. Cities are where political power, industry, and other hubs stem from as well. @@gator7082
My personal MOUT protocol capitalizes on the premise that very few of the hostiles in a given hard structure have a fire extinguisher in their loadout.
Should you train CQB...Yes, it's the fastest way to teach people NOT to do it. Once they learn how quickly CQB can go wrong they begin to understand and plan around it whenever possible to limit casualties. Should you train MOUT...Yes, because every team will have to traverse a civillized area at some time. Whether thats just passing through, exfil, or digging in and fighting you need to know what your chances are. You learn that by training.
Let’s bring it back to earth with a real scenario that happened in my mountain community in the Utah mountains a couple years back. We had two armed fugitives that were being man hunted by multiple police agencies running around our little community and the surrounding mountains. While they were out, we had teams of neighbors keeping an eye on each other and the valley. I personally had to clear three cabins and homes for neighbors who had come home while the fugitives were at large. I was kitted up with plates as I one man searched, the cabins for my neighbors. The fugitives were finally found hiding in the barn of one of my neighbors after several days of being at large. It doesn’t have to be SHTF to be applicable. I was damn glad to have plates and training to clear the home as safely as possible.
"It's your home and it's under attack " "If your mailbox is your first line of defense, you already lost!" Pastor Joe Fox of Viking Preparedness. Retired SF turned Pastor and commune leader. Patrol, patrol, patrol
@@gardennovice7896 Neither did Kyle Rittenhouse. Your first line of defense is not to be there. Pastor Joe of Viking Preparedness teaches COOHMP Come Out Of Her My People. Bear Independent, another prepper states if you are properly prepared as in not where the violence is, gunfighting would be the least of your concerns. The elements, starvation, and disease will be the main challenges. Sure, you will need to have self defense covered but it is only one line item on your list
@@dhart5752 We toppled the government, installed a puppet, and sought to deploy nuclear missiles up to Russias border! WE are the Aggressors! If anything, it is Russia who did not have their mailbox as their line of defense
@@bernieeod57 what did gardennovice7896 say? (just the cliff-notes version so I can understand the responses) His comment is gone, but y'all's responses remain. Thanks in advance!
Train both. CQB should be avoided at all costs but everyone should train very well for it as well. A long time of consistent fundamentals can save your life when it is not your choice. Yes to MOUT since that is where most of the action will be and how threats may operate. Then train and prepare to not have to as much as possible. I can dip a few hours out to nowhere, lay low and live easy for years if I get there. But I also train as much as possible because shit happens.
We can hide in the mountains all we want, but so long as the enemy controls the population and production in the cities you will eventually lose or disappear into irrelevancy.
The urban areas will be chaos. Every simulation shows the government/foreign invading force losing to an American insurgency. Too many places to hide and we would all blend in too well.
I hope you understand what a benefit you (Grunt Proof) are to people who need guidance and civies like me who need to know what's essential and what isn't. How many spair parts do you carry? I have a spare BCG, spare Bolt and two sets of all springs and pins... with a couple extras if the guy on the left or right needs them. I also carry poop-wad of advanced IFAK kit that I don't even know how to use fully but a Corpsman and a Ranger Medic both told me I may have something in my kit that will save someone else. Does that ring true for you?
There are many reasons to learn house to clear rooms and buildings, even if you are in the mountains. If you are patrolling, there is a massive storm that pops up, you see a few buildings you want to take cover in, now you must clear them before using them to get out of the storm. Your mission is to recon a small built up area to see if there are any useable parts to fix whatever at your camp/homestead, now you must clear buildings. I do agree, you dont need to conduct offensive operations and assault a dug in enemy, but you will need to eventually enter a building sooner or later even if its because you think someone may have snuck into one of your out buildings on your property.
You come across a structure in the distance best thing to do is conduct surveillance on the structure find out how many people are going in and out of it , what are they doing ,what kind of equipment do they have , do they like to all sit around a fire at night etc then decide on what action you will take as a group to deal with them
The war we are in now is defined as "occupation engineered". Diverse peoples are the weapon and law enforcement is the tyrants tool for crushing dissent.
Very interesting! I did a little MOUT training as an 11m back a long time ago. When people today talk about CQB, I try and emphasize the bigger picture.
i enjoy these videos they are concise and arcuately put with no bullshit just strait to the point. from one old vet to another well done keep em coming
Thank you for the info Randall. All this stuff you do man, hero kind of shit you put out! For real dude. Thank you for sharing your experiences and what I want to call expertise! Cheers mate! 🍻
I've been training with 11 bravo MASOC and other Vets twice month I'm not a veteran and I'm old , tactical is one thing being a woodsman is another.They taught me CQB in a barn I taught them how to flow with the woods I'd say were well rounded boss and better for it.1776.2
I think it’s important to remember in the shtf scenario limited or no fire department. Most of our suburban or rural buildings at least in USA and Canada are vulnerable to fire . If in defensive position in house you at risk of being smoked out. So it is incredible important to try to not be in that situation if possible.
I've seen a lot of videos recently of guys going to objectives such as houses and then clearing said houses. I ask why? What is the purpose? Where I'm going with that is leading to the planning phase of such an operation. Risk assessment is a huge thing in planning operations. If you've got a 5 man team should you really be clearing a house without a team outside to pull cordon? Should you be putting your men's lives at risk without proper casevac? It takes a minimum of 2 mean to take away 1 casualty. Can you afford to use limited resources and put limited personnel lives on the line? What reward will securing this structure provide? It's all things to consider when thinking of "we should take this building."
@trooperjinthewoods4538 right. Honestly if things do go bad my plan is to just destroy objectives and move on. Scorched earth policy. Deny the enemy ground and supplies. Disrup their logistics. I'm not put any lives at any unnecessary risks.
I have no military experience but if you expect to be a use to your fellow patriots you need to be able to adapt to the situation at hand no matter what your environment is
Really happy to see someone else talking about this stuff, cqb is almost to the point of suicide… especially urban houses. I won’t be caught dead clearing out houses and structures unless it is absolutely mission critical. Screw that. Plate carrier or not you can’t predict taking fire from a room through the wall with a closed door because someone hiding heard you walking. Cqb sucks even kicking a pebble under your shoe can echo through the house or hallway and blow any element of surprise you might have had.
I bought some cheap steel plates just in case of mobs rioting in the city. If you're around thousands of people who may have small firearms, armor seems useful. Out in the country and mountains, your body armor isn't going to protect you much from hunting rifles and shotguns anyways. As a citizen, I'm thinking it's best to keep the carrier plain so it can be worn underneath a jacket for moving from place to place. It conceals really well under a hoodie.
When I lived up in the mtns in TN I would hike my property kitted up during Covid, worked out in it, ran my 3 gun course several times over in a day a few times a week during Covid. Sure my fitness was at its best and hit lots of PR’s but I know for damn sure in a practical situation I wouldn’t kit out to run thru those hollers.
Yah, man, I train. But I'm not too concerned about satisfying another's opinion on the matter. I have a bump helmet and lw soft plates. I can wear it whenever I want. Because freedom. Using and wearing the kit is training. Let the kit match the mission.
HOT TAKE::You can carry all the weight you want in the mountains. It isn’t hard at all. The trick is to pre-stage the equipment well ahead of time. Remember you are playing the other side on this game and you OWN the mountains. The troops in helmets and body armor are just renting it for a short while. How do you think the Taliban got DShKa and Recoiless rifles in those mountains? The humped them up there with miles weeks or months beforehand. So prestige your armor, ammo, heavy weapons and water high in the hills long before you need them. Then you can simple beat feet to your cache site and boom- you are ready to fight.
What do you think about ballistic shields for private citizens? It seems like a no-brainer for urban & CQB to have at least one shield, but I don't see a lot of emphasis on this outside of law enforcement SWAT & riot units.
No, mostly. If you're on foot and weight is a factor, a shield would limit mobility. If you're part of a motorized group, it would be easier to move closer to an objective, but without armoured vehicles, you're still in danger approaching. It would work best if you're operating out of armoured vehicles, but that's not something most minutemen will have access to.
Hi friend , thank you so much for the fitness and ruck focused videos. Have you seen the documentary Europa the last battle? Its important to know what to fight for. Have a great day
I think theres 2 types of cqb, one being cqb against lightly armed and/or unprepared opponents, which I think is definitely something civvies should train on. This is more like a no knock raid or similar. However, CQB against an armed force or a prepared enemy is basically suicide and should just never be done.
Yup. I'm no expert but according to all the experts I've listened to, engaging a prepared and aware enemy in urban terrain is impossible to do without either taking serious casualties or using overwhelming firepower. The guntuber CQB room clearing training only seems to work if you catch them by surprise
Im a cop in a city that has led the country in Homicides and violent crime multiple times in the last 5 years. Major city in the US. I conduct "CQB" almost daily and it sucks every time. The amount of beds, trash, closets, cabinets, attics etc that you must cover is unsurmountable. I do this with 1, maybe 2 other officers and its very difficult to cover all threat areas. CQB sucks ass and if i can refrain from doing so I definitely will.
You made several good points. Unless you are going for supplies or need to take out an intel center, it would probably be suicide to attack a hardened position. I think my spot would be the sniper (my training) and/or the guy who builds rapport with the townspeople. I tried to put a group of about 10 together several years ago when big mike was in the outhouse. To many generals and most thought their home was the perfect fortress, even the they lived inside a town and had city water and sewer. I hope to find a few that can get past their egos and work together in the future. Thanks for your thoughts.
How about who is the enemy? How different will your tactics be with different enemies? Mob vs organized mob (Antifa) Vs armed gang vs enemy militia vs enemy law enforcement vs enemy military?
@@BigJohnson-g3j If you are fighting law enforcement, you are not bugged out far enough. If you are fighting a military, you were not gray enough. No amount of tactical gear and skill will help you stand against a military
@@BigJohnson-g3j Against military and law enforcement, tactical gear is useless. The moment you stand up, you will be knocked down! Against a government using military and law enforcement, you will need to play submissive subject by day, do your dirty work by night, and even if caught red handed, deny what you did no matter how intense the interrogation. All that tactical gear is only good for WROL with you and your militia establishing your version of order
@@bernieeod57 I see you have bought into the nonsense. There is a time and place for everything, and bugging out is 99% of the time not the answer. And guerrillas don't stand up to militaries.
@@BigJohnson-g3j If you believe you are going to dress in 5.11, pick up your .22 caliber poodle shooter, and face down any Army or even a SWAT team, you are the one who is buying into a delusion
Hey man great video. My question to you is about helmet for thermal. Thermal is a hot topic right now. Are you personally in your environment using thermal and are you relying on weapons mounted or monocular or what would you suggest. Helmet for thermal is a lot of (no pun intended) overhead. Curious about your thoughts on this topic.
I am an old guy, so I give a historical context minutemen (which most people have totally wrong because they watch Walt Disney) and practical training. History. In the period around 1775, there had still been attacks by native Indians and Frenchmen and a major war had been fought all over the world. The British army wasn't every where. The local towns in America had their own, locally paid for munitions. Only about 10% of the volunteers for local defense were chosen to be prepared to fight and assemble on a minute's notice. This meant leaving the family of the farmer to fend for themselves. These people were not trained in military tactics at all. The British had gone and taken its stored supplies of munitions to Boston. Now, the army was sent out to seize the privately raised and owned munitions stored by local communities. So this was dire! Training. 1. most Americans at age 18 have never been ready to work at 7 am, made a bed, cooked a meal, sewn patches on clothes, fired a gun or washed their clothes. 2. A mentor (former paratrooper) asked me what was the best training in the world. I responded going through USMC sniper scout school. He protested that it cost too much money and took too long. He is right. I have changed my view, based upon cost and time. Now I say learn how to do individual and team man tracking, both on foot and mechanized. Learn how to track at night blind folded (which can be done). 3. Arguing about the best training is useless. When shtf, your neighbors don't have the background or the time to learn very much. So, I have the watches/radio gear/batons/knives for the unprepared group, the training plan for effective use of those tools which can be learned over a few days. 4. For the experienced guys out there, read the book about the Bieliski brothers who took in 1000 unskilled people during WW2 and the organizational skills needed to survive in the woods of Belarus. 5. For the subscribers who know nothing, buy the boy scout merit badge books and fulfill the requirements. 6. For the guys with some experience, a wife and kids, swallow your pride and take a weekend class in knife fighting, shooting (beyond NRA safe handling), local plants, first aid, CPR, primitive arts, orienteering. 7. If you are single, a stud, take a class offered by the Grunt.
You're not gunna make me John Wick but what are some New Guy mistakes when performing CQB that i can avoid? My plates LV3+ plates weigh only 3.5lbs each. I train with a 10lbs vest but I don't train with a 10lbs stick perhaps i should 🤔
"Fight your way out." Well shit most neighborhoods have great kill boxes put out side. Hope i have a good presence of mind to account for thiat. Good info on your vids.
Being that he put people in the mountains in it know this. In remote areas they will no you are there before you you see them. And they know where you can travel and where you can't but that don't mean there aren't paths that you can't see. Why am i saying this because city people and suburbs think they're just coming out here and do what they will. They might win but at what cost.
Should you train CQB as a minuteman? Yes absolutely. Should you do CQB as a minuteman? Absolutely the FU*K not. last option for sure but if you have to you should know how to
I just want to add something about kit. Yes, get good plates and carriers along with a helmet. Buy as much as you can afford. But NVG and thermals if you can. BUT, the mission dictates the kit you use. And the ratio for defend attack in Urban areas is more like 7-8 to 1 rather than 3 to 1. Civilian militias aren’t going to have access to MOUT sites for training, won’t have explosives for blowing entries and won’t have the heavy support we enjoyed when we were on Active Duty. If one is fighting in an Urban Area, it’s best to defend. Avoid offensive operations in Urban areas during SHTF. Militias shouldn’t be conducting assault operations outside SHTF.
Room clearing, is very different from MOUT, at least in terms of mental thought. Doing a recon for useable parts after the collapse is way different than going house by house to take and hold a few blocks. Most groups will not be able to do this without hundreds or thousands of Minutemen. I would not recommend fighting in an urban area if at all possible. We dont have explosives today because they are illegal to possess, for the most part. In a collapse/SHTF, you are allowed what ever you can find or make. I would not rule out explosives in a SHTF scenario.
Nvg's are a double edged sword, sure you can see great under most conditions but you also run a huge risk of telegraphing exactly where you are due to the ir laser that the enemy can pick up with theirs. Modern thermals have a lot of advantages over nvg with the amount of detail they pick up, don't need ambient light or ir lasers thus aren't nearly as easily detected. They also cost less even for the best ones. You also won't get blinded if someone shines a light in your direction. Ideally both are good together using them under specific conditions like enough ambient light to not need ir for Nvg's and thermals any time including at the same time as Nvg's.
@@JamesSmullins With anything, you must try to mitigate your risks, but you will never be able to get the risk to zero. In this case, you would only use a laser under certain situations, especially if you did your recon and found the other side didnt have NVGs. The amount of the population that does have them, is probably not very high percentage wise. For me, its a calculated risk worth taking. Thermals are great for static locations such as an LP/OP, but harder to walk through the woods while wearing them. NVGs are easier for walking, but are pretty limited in a static position.
modern cqb training might be impractical in most western hemisphere communities. Honestly watching "Combat!" (old tv show with actors who were real vets, find it on youtube) would give you more real world situations than the Iraq War training mindset. They were always fighting an enemy that was equally prepared and competent, and there is already precedent of Soldiers and Marines using tactics from the show in the Vietnam War to clean up during the Tet Offensive.
SHORT ANSWER BEFORE I EVER WATCH THE SHOW....... HELL YES YOU SHOULD TRAIN. THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT A SORE THUMB OR DULL WHEN YOU'RE NEEDED TO BE SHARP!! TRAIN HARD
If this goes the way some are saying, it could look like a few dudes rolling up in a stolen Hyundai to waste some crooked bureaucrats in a court house parking lot, or at their dinner meeting. A lot of this could be more like a armed robbery crew, not a kitted out special forces group.
If you live in a city when the SHTF your dead. Plain and simple. Especially if you live in an apartament building. 🤣🤣🤣 There is a guy Selco , who wrote a book about surviving an besiged city. That's the best there is. Short story - your fucked unless you have more lucky than Jesus Christ
When referring to cities, that is generally referring to metropolitan cities unlike most urban or suburban areas. Just about any area away from a metropolitan area has alot of suburban and rural areas. Most already expect that the metropolitan areas will be a no-go in just about any survival scenario where SHTF in just about any aspect.
You train how you fight. MOUT training is crucial, as most armed conflicts occur in close to midrange,urban environments, given that that is where the bulk of the global population is.
It's always good to have as many tools in the toolbox as you possibly can. But in a shtf situation it's really difficult to come up with a scenario of having to have to do CQB. During that situation I'm not a police officer or a military person. I'm a survivor. Being a Survivor means trying to avoid every single situation that might kill you. CQB sucks ass even when there's an ambulance waiting for you right outside. With no emergency room or doctors available on the spot, I am not doing CQB no way!!!
I preach getting different equipment for different environments. I understand it’s expensive, but buy once cry once. Out in the wide open country and rural areas you don’t need plate carriers. There are more places for cover, and I don’t think anybody should stay in a long drawn out engagement with a professional military or law enforcement, that’s just stupid. Hit hard, run away, take the lessons of Vietnam and the Middle East. In the city, you need body armor. It’s much harder to break contact in a city than it is in the country. There are more funnels and kill zones, there are windows that enemy can just pop up at and shoot at you. It’s smart to wear armor in an urban environment and go light weight outside of the city. All I have is a plate carrier myself, but I take the plates out and switch to a boonie cover when I’m in the country. I can move better, I can take cover easier, and I can get into shooting positions that I just can’t do when I’m armored up.
Say what it is Randall. Most youtubers are just there as salesmen to sell product and convince you that what was the best yesterday is shit today and to buy more stuff.
MOUT is awesome for skill and team building. But keep it real. One guy will take one to the chest. Integrate that training. Who treats, who pulls left security, who pulls right, near, far, who calls up the 9-line, who transports him, which egress route, who humps his gear out, which team covers your exit if gear/wounded brings you down to one effective fighter in your team? Train for reality. Do you have frags? As a OC, nothing is more shocking to a team being tested as when I put two squares of red tape on two stack team members and say, “Continue, Take Action!” And their plan shatters. Then while they scurry, I have an OPFOR engage from down the hallway. Reality…..apply it.
I live in the hills on a ranch. A long way out. No way am I, my neighbours or our crew ever going go CQB/MOUT and get killed. The towns can chop themselves to pieces but out here, we'll be waiting.
Training in MOUT is critical, as this is where a majority of people in the U.S. currently reside. I don't see as much value in CQB, that is something utilized in hostage rescue primarily, and there isn't going to be a lot of that in the typical asymmetrical conflict.
I was a MOUT Instructor back in my day. I’ll tell you honestly that most people live in Towns, suburbs or Cities not up in the mountains so It’s imperative that militia teach MOUT because that’s where the fight is going to happen.
When and where you a MOUT Instructor?
I guess it depends on why there is a fight. Cities are going to be quickly depleted of anything useful. If I don't live in a city, why would I go there?
@@gator7082if shtf/the country goes downhill and you want to take it back you will eventually need to go into the cities to take THEM back. It’s not a want my friend, it will be an absolute NEED
Cities are the best battlefield for irregular fighters vs a conventional army. Too many corners to watch, hard to avoid collateral (unless you're a scumbag zionist), and you are forced to fight in closer ranges. Cities are where political power, industry, and other hubs stem from as well. @@gator7082
Fair point...But also, many will take off to the mountains as well to avoid the bs
My personal MOUT protocol capitalizes on the premise that very few of the hostiles in a given hard structure have a fire extinguisher in their loadout.
Should you train CQB...Yes, it's the fastest way to teach people NOT to do it. Once they learn how quickly CQB can go wrong they begin to understand and plan around it whenever possible to limit casualties.
Should you train MOUT...Yes, because every team will have to traverse a civillized area at some time. Whether thats just passing through, exfil, or digging in and fighting you need to know what your chances are. You learn that by training.
Somehow the French partisans and VC infiltrators did pretty ok with none of this. Weren’t more than a few of them old people and teen girls?
G.T. He is a sexy beast . I've dated him.
Underrated comment.
As an ex Mp.. we trianed hours on civilized areas.
and as well rear area support( ie direct traffic)
My old ass will be happy standing post or help run the CASH. My days of door kicking went away 25 years ago. 😂
At 63, I agree 100%, Chris! We live on the Southeastern Coast (U.S.) and these flatlands are just right for us… 🇺🇸
There’s plenty of us to carry the torch, don’t worry…she’s in good hands 🫡🇺🇸😉
I understand. I can still run and move well, but I am not 20 years old. I would be a great sniper and know how to build rapport with the townspeople.
Same here. LOL
Ditto !
Let’s bring it back to earth with a real scenario that happened in my mountain community in the Utah mountains a couple years back.
We had two armed fugitives that were being man hunted by multiple police agencies running around our little community and the surrounding mountains.
While they were out, we had teams of neighbors keeping an eye on each other and the valley. I personally had to clear three cabins and homes for neighbors who had come home while the fugitives were at large. I was kitted up with plates as I one man searched, the cabins for my neighbors. The fugitives were finally found hiding in the barn of one of my neighbors after several days of being at large.
It doesn’t have to be SHTF to be applicable. I was damn glad to have plates and training to clear the home as safely as possible.
"It's your home and it's under attack " "If your mailbox is your first line of defense, you already lost!" Pastor Joe Fox of Viking Preparedness. Retired SF turned Pastor and commune leader. Patrol, patrol, patrol
@@gardennovice7896not to be argumentative but 90% of Ukrainians probably thought the same 6 years ago.
@@gardennovice7896 Neither did Kyle Rittenhouse. Your first line of defense is not to be there. Pastor Joe of Viking Preparedness teaches COOHMP Come Out Of Her My People. Bear Independent, another prepper states if you are properly prepared as in not where the violence is, gunfighting would be the least of your concerns. The elements, starvation, and disease will be the main challenges. Sure, you will need to have self defense covered but it is only one line item on your list
@@dhart5752 We toppled the government, installed a puppet, and sought to deploy nuclear missiles up to Russias border! WE are the Aggressors! If anything, it is Russia who did not have their mailbox as their line of defense
@@bernieeod57 what did gardennovice7896 say? (just the cliff-notes version so I can understand the responses) His comment is gone, but y'all's responses remain. Thanks in advance!
Not if my mailbox has a claymore in it.
Train both. CQB should be avoided at all costs but everyone should train very well for it as well. A long time of consistent fundamentals can save your life when it is not your choice. Yes to MOUT since that is where most of the action will be and how threats may operate. Then train and prepare to not have to as much as possible. I can dip a few hours out to nowhere, lay low and live easy for years if I get there. But I also train as much as possible because shit happens.
Smart.
We can hide in the mountains all we want, but so long as the enemy controls the population and production in the cities you will eventually lose or disappear into irrelevancy.
Someone reported in mainstream a while back that the tyrants control everything EXCEPT
L o n e. W o l f
This. But worse. They will come with full military might to crush rural areas once they have gained control of the urban areas.
The urban areas will be chaos. Every simulation shows the government/foreign invading force losing to an American insurgency. Too many places to hide and we would all blend in too well.
There will be urban conflict in not only cities but suburban areas, so the answer is yes, train for many different battlefields.
Some faith and the good grace of God doesn’t hurt either.
Pray to the Lord and pass the ammunition.
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I hope you understand what a benefit you (Grunt Proof) are to people who need guidance and civies like me who need to know what's essential and what isn't. How many spair parts do you carry? I have a spare BCG, spare Bolt and two sets of all springs and pins... with a couple extras if the guy on the left or right needs them. I also carry poop-wad of advanced IFAK kit that I don't even know how to use fully but a Corpsman and a Ranger Medic both told me I may have something in my kit that will save someone else. Does that ring true for you?
There are many reasons to learn house to clear rooms and buildings, even if you are in the mountains. If you are patrolling, there is a massive storm that pops up, you see a few buildings you want to take cover in, now you must clear them before using them to get out of the storm.
Your mission is to recon a small built up area to see if there are any useable parts to fix whatever at your camp/homestead, now you must clear buildings.
I do agree, you dont need to conduct offensive operations and assault a dug in enemy, but you will need to eventually enter a building sooner or later even if its because you think someone may have snuck into one of your out buildings on your property.
You come across a structure in the distance best thing to do is conduct surveillance on the structure find out how many people are going in and out of it , what are they doing ,what kind of equipment do they have , do they like to all sit around a fire at night etc then decide on what action you will take as a group to deal with them
The war we are in now is defined as "occupation engineered". Diverse peoples are the weapon and law enforcement is the tyrants tool for crushing dissent.
Very interesting! I did a little MOUT training as an 11m back a long time ago. When people today talk about CQB, I try and emphasize the bigger picture.
i enjoy these videos they are concise and arcuately put with no bullshit just strait to the point. from one old vet to another well done keep em coming
Would love to see some content on drone use and your drone setup
Try the Israeli room clearing method. One man can clear a room. The Israeli rule is : "Nothing enters the room under muzzle velocity "
You forgot grenades, lots and lots of grenades
Thank you for the info Randall.
All this stuff you do man, hero kind of shit you put out! For real dude. Thank you for sharing your experiences and what I want to call expertise!
Cheers mate! 🍻
Sir. Everytime I play your videos I find myself headbanging to your intros. F@cking diesel! We need more heavy intros like this.
I've been training with 11 bravo MASOC and other Vets twice month I'm not a veteran and I'm old , tactical is one thing being a woodsman is another.They taught me CQB in a barn I taught them how to flow with the woods I'd say were well rounded boss and better for it.1776.2
I think it’s important to remember in the shtf scenario limited or no fire department. Most of our suburban or rural buildings at least in USA and Canada are vulnerable to fire . If in defensive position in house you at risk of being smoked out. So it is incredible important to try to not be in that situation if possible.
I've seen a lot of videos recently of guys going to objectives such as houses and then clearing said houses. I ask why? What is the purpose?
Where I'm going with that is leading to the planning phase of such an operation. Risk assessment is a huge thing in planning operations. If you've got a 5 man team should you really be clearing a house without a team outside to pull cordon? Should you be putting your men's lives at risk without proper casevac? It takes a minimum of 2 mean to take away 1 casualty. Can you afford to use limited resources and put limited personnel lives on the line? What reward will securing this structure provide?
It's all things to consider when thinking of "we should take this building."
Train for mout only if convoy is hit like he said, then E&E the hell out of there- mission failed GET OUT !!
@trooperjinthewoods4538 right. Honestly if things do go bad my plan is to just destroy objectives and move on. Scorched earth policy. Deny the enemy ground and supplies. Disrup their logistics. I'm not put any lives at any unnecessary risks.
I have no military experience but if you expect to be a use to your fellow patriots you need to be able to adapt to the situation at hand no matter what your environment is
Thank you
We use really nice plate carriers and fast helmets. Not a bad deal. You can be comfortable in the mtns with a plate carrier. Been there done that
Really happy to see someone else talking about this stuff, cqb is almost to the point of suicide… especially urban houses. I won’t be caught dead clearing out houses and structures unless it is absolutely mission critical. Screw that. Plate carrier or not you can’t predict taking fire from a room through the wall with a closed door because someone hiding heard you walking. Cqb sucks even kicking a pebble under your shoe can echo through the house or hallway and blow any element of surprise you might have had.
Never say 'never'. Rule nothing out as a possibility.
I'm a alice and iron sights kind of dude , the techs cool but depending on it and ignoring manual systems is a stupid move
Thanks for the heads up & training help.
Congrats for your 100k fully deserv it Randall
I bought some cheap steel plates just in case of mobs rioting in the city. If you're around thousands of people who may have small firearms, armor seems useful. Out in the country and mountains, your body armor isn't going to protect you much from hunting rifles and shotguns anyways. As a citizen, I'm thinking it's best to keep the carrier plain so it can be worn underneath a jacket for moving from place to place. It conceals really well under a hoodie.
Love listening to your vids, awesome stuff! Thanks.
What if the enemy force has feilded drones, is their any counter drone measures?
S2 underground has a video on that
It's called something like how to not get killed by drones
Shotgun.
@@janwrobel8912 yell *"PULL"* first, though...
There are methods to employ to harden a wood structure to use as an initial defensive position .
When I lived up in the mtns in TN I would hike my property kitted up during Covid, worked out in it, ran my 3 gun course several times over in a day a few times a week during Covid. Sure my fitness was at its best and hit lots of PR’s but I know for damn sure in a practical situation I wouldn’t kit out to run thru those hollers.
Yah, man, I train. But I'm not too concerned about satisfying another's opinion on the matter. I have a bump helmet and lw soft plates. I can wear it whenever I want. Because freedom. Using and wearing the kit is training. Let the kit match the mission.
Mission and terrains can change on a dime tho
It is important to understand cqb, even if it just for the understanding the tactics of potential enemies
Speaking truth. All things I have pondered in recent years. This older Marine has a realistic plan.
HOT TAKE::You can carry all the weight you want in the mountains. It isn’t hard at all.
The trick is to pre-stage the equipment well ahead of time.
Remember you are playing the other side on this game and you OWN the mountains. The troops in helmets and body armor are just renting it for a short while. How do you think the Taliban got DShKa and Recoiless rifles in those mountains? The humped them up there with miles weeks or months beforehand.
So prestige your armor, ammo, heavy weapons and water high in the hills long before you need them. Then you can simple beat feet to your cache site and boom- you are ready to fight.
What do you think about ballistic shields for private citizens? It seems like a no-brainer for urban & CQB to have at least one shield, but I don't see a lot of emphasis on this outside of law enforcement SWAT & riot units.
No, mostly.
If you're on foot and weight is a factor, a shield would limit mobility.
If you're part of a motorized group, it would be easier to move closer to an objective, but without armoured vehicles, you're still in danger approaching.
It would work best if you're operating out of armoured vehicles, but that's not something most minutemen will have access to.
Good stuff man.
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Absolutely. Because the enemy we will be most likely fighting will be cartels in your own neighborhoods
Nah, the only reason they're still here is because the hillbillies and rednecks are held back. WROL, they're gator bait
Hi friend , thank you so much for the fitness and ruck focused videos. Have you seen the documentary Europa the last battle? Its important to know what to fight for. Have a great day
Southern comfort is a quality movie!
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@@GruntProof I disagree, Mexican cartels don't operate with the same morals, they have better gear and actually train as a cohesive unit.
Your speaking some hard truths
What kind of drone is that if you don't mind me asking? I want one! 🤙🏼
I think theres 2 types of cqb, one being cqb against lightly armed and/or unprepared opponents, which I think is definitely something civvies should train on. This is more like a no knock raid or similar. However, CQB against an armed force or a prepared enemy is basically suicide and should just never be done.
Yup. I'm no expert but according to all the experts I've listened to, engaging a prepared and aware enemy in urban terrain is impossible to do without either taking serious casualties or using overwhelming firepower. The guntuber CQB room clearing training only seems to work if you catch them by surprise
Im a cop in a city that has led the country in Homicides and violent crime multiple times in the last 5 years. Major city in the US. I conduct "CQB" almost daily and it sucks every time. The amount of beds, trash, closets, cabinets, attics etc that you must cover is unsurmountable. I do this with 1, maybe 2 other officers and its very difficult to cover all threat areas. CQB sucks ass and if i can refrain from doing so I definitely will.
You made several good points. Unless you are going for supplies or need to take out an intel center, it would probably be suicide to attack a hardened position.
I think my spot would be the sniper (my training) and/or the guy who builds rapport with the townspeople.
I tried to put a group of about 10 together several years ago when big mike was in the outhouse. To many generals and most thought their home was the perfect fortress, even the they lived inside a town and had city water and sewer. I hope to find a few that can get past their egos and work together in the future.
Thanks for your thoughts.
The only time I’d use it is if I’m on a rescue mission for my kids. Outside of that I’m planning g around it for sure.
How about who is the enemy? How different will your tactics be with different enemies? Mob vs organized mob (Antifa) Vs armed gang vs enemy militia vs enemy law enforcement vs enemy military?
You will be fighting your own law enforcement and military.
@@BigJohnson-g3j If you are fighting law enforcement, you are not bugged out far enough. If you are fighting a military, you were not gray enough. No amount of tactical gear and skill will help you stand against a military
@@BigJohnson-g3j Against military and law enforcement, tactical gear is useless. The moment you stand up, you will be knocked down! Against a government using military and law enforcement, you will need to play submissive subject by day, do your dirty work by night, and even if caught red handed, deny what you did no matter how intense the interrogation. All that tactical gear is only good for WROL with you and your militia establishing your version of order
@@bernieeod57 I see you have bought into the nonsense. There is a time and place for everything, and bugging out is 99% of the time not the answer. And guerrillas don't stand up to militaries.
@@BigJohnson-g3j If you believe you are going to dress in 5.11, pick up your .22 caliber poodle shooter, and face down any Army or even a SWAT team, you are the one who is buying into a delusion
Grunt Proof can you go over planning as well
Hey man great video. My question to you is about helmet for thermal. Thermal is a hot topic right now. Are you personally in your environment using thermal and are you relying on weapons mounted or monocular or what would you suggest. Helmet for thermal is a lot of (no pun intended) overhead. Curious about your thoughts on this topic.
I'll add that to the loadout video
Great advice in every video.
Short answer: Yes. They should train in everything the military trains in that they can.
Better to have it and not need it.
Im wearing plates if im going into a firefight. Flat land, houses, or mountains bullets still hurt.
I am an old guy, so I give a historical context minutemen (which most people have totally wrong because they watch Walt Disney) and practical training.
History. In the period around 1775, there had still been attacks by native Indians and Frenchmen and a major war had been fought all over the world. The British army wasn't every where. The local towns in America had their own, locally paid for munitions. Only about 10% of the volunteers for local defense were chosen to be prepared to fight and assemble on a minute's notice. This meant leaving the family of the farmer to fend for themselves. These people were not trained in military tactics at all. The British had gone and taken its stored supplies of munitions to Boston. Now, the army was sent out to seize the privately raised and owned munitions stored by local communities. So this was dire!
Training.
1. most Americans at age 18 have never been ready to work at 7 am, made a bed, cooked a meal, sewn patches on clothes, fired a gun or washed their clothes.
2. A mentor (former paratrooper) asked me what was the best training in the world. I responded going through USMC sniper scout school. He protested that it cost too much money and took too long. He is right. I have changed my view, based upon cost and time. Now I say learn how to do individual and team man tracking, both on foot and mechanized. Learn how to track at night blind folded (which can be done).
3. Arguing about the best training is useless. When shtf, your neighbors don't have the background or the time to learn very much. So, I have the watches/radio gear/batons/knives for the unprepared group, the training plan for effective use of those tools which can be learned over a few days.
4. For the experienced guys out there, read the book about the Bieliski brothers who took in 1000 unskilled people during WW2 and the organizational skills needed to survive in the woods of Belarus.
5. For the subscribers who know nothing, buy the boy scout merit badge books and fulfill the requirements.
6. For the guys with some experience, a wife and kids, swallow your pride and take a weekend class in knife fighting, shooting (beyond NRA safe handling), local plants, first aid, CPR, primitive arts, orienteering.
7. If you are single, a stud, take a class offered by the Grunt.
@@bdcochran01 dude how the HELL do you track somebody at night, blindfolded? Smell?
You're not gunna make me John Wick but what are some New Guy mistakes when performing CQB that i can avoid?
My plates LV3+ plates weigh only 3.5lbs each.
I train with a 10lbs vest but I don't train with a 10lbs stick perhaps i should 🤔
Semper Fi my Brother! Fortis Fortuna Juvat ❤🙏. I worked helping develop and place Thermal Imaging Tech a long time ago 😂
I’m from DC, what we call the “TH-cam effect” is “looking sweet”. They’re dressed up in all that kit trying to look sweet
"Fight your way out." Well shit most neighborhoods have great kill boxes put out side. Hope i have a good presence of mind to account for thiat.
Good info on your vids.
Being that he put people in the mountains in it know this. In remote areas they will no you are there before you you see them. And they know where you can travel and where you can't but that don't mean there aren't paths that you can't see. Why am i saying this because city people and suburbs think they're just coming out here and do what they will. They might win but at what cost.
Yep, the extra weight from the plates (ar500 steel), is a killer!
@3:44 this next part, not nearly enough folks train on this
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YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP. 🤘🍻
Should you train CQB as a minuteman? Yes absolutely. Should you do CQB as a minuteman? Absolutely the FU*K not. last option for sure but if you have to you should know how to
Grunt proof your experience shows when you talk about team operations
Amen brother
I can hear you fine.
Question. What your thoughts on government saying no military training privately
Your preferred choice for coms?
Very nice thank you
I just want to add something about kit. Yes, get good plates and carriers along with a helmet. Buy as much as you can afford. But NVG and thermals if you can. BUT, the mission dictates the kit you use.
And the ratio for defend attack in Urban areas is more like 7-8 to 1 rather than 3 to 1.
Civilian militias aren’t going to have access to MOUT sites for training, won’t have explosives for blowing entries and won’t have the heavy support we enjoyed when we were on Active Duty.
If one is fighting in an Urban Area, it’s best to defend. Avoid offensive operations in Urban areas during SHTF. Militias shouldn’t be conducting assault operations outside SHTF.
Yep the Koreans proved this in the LA riots they just defended
Room clearing, is very different from MOUT, at least in terms of mental thought. Doing a recon for useable parts after the collapse is way different than going house by house to take and hold a few blocks. Most groups will not be able to do this without hundreds or thousands of Minutemen. I would not recommend fighting in an urban area if at all possible.
We dont have explosives today because they are illegal to possess, for the most part. In a collapse/SHTF, you are allowed what ever you can find or make. I would not rule out explosives in a SHTF scenario.
If things go to hell we’re raiding the guard armory and upgrade to some heavy weapons and explosives.
Nvg's are a double edged sword, sure you can see great under most conditions but you also run a huge risk of telegraphing exactly where you are due to the ir laser that the enemy can pick up with theirs.
Modern thermals have a lot of advantages over nvg with the amount of detail they pick up, don't need ambient light or ir lasers thus aren't nearly as easily detected. They also cost less even for the best ones. You also won't get blinded if someone shines a light in your direction.
Ideally both are good together using them under specific conditions like enough ambient light to not need ir for Nvg's and thermals any time including at the same time as Nvg's.
@@JamesSmullins With anything, you must try to mitigate your risks, but you will never be able to get the risk to zero. In this case, you would only use a laser under certain situations, especially if you did your recon and found the other side didnt have NVGs. The amount of the population that does have them, is probably not very high percentage wise. For me, its a calculated risk worth taking.
Thermals are great for static locations such as an LP/OP, but harder to walk through the woods while wearing them. NVGs are easier for walking, but are pretty limited in a static position.
Agreed
Fire is your friend and your enemy use when applicable.
Quite right.
modern cqb training might be impractical in most western hemisphere communities. Honestly watching "Combat!" (old tv show with actors who were real vets, find it on youtube) would give you more real world situations than the Iraq War training mindset. They were always fighting an enemy that was equally prepared and competent, and there is already precedent of Soldiers and Marines using tactics from the show in the Vietnam War to clean up during the Tet Offensive.
"Charlie dont surf." Right on LTC Kilgore, thats why he didnt carry a surfboard during Tet.
Level 4 ceramic isn’t very heavy. Armor has changed a lot.
SHORT ANSWER BEFORE I EVER WATCH THE SHOW....... HELL YES YOU SHOULD TRAIN. THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT A SORE THUMB OR DULL WHEN YOU'RE NEEDED TO BE SHARP!! TRAIN HARD
If this goes the way some are saying, it could look like a few dudes rolling up in a stolen Hyundai to waste some crooked bureaucrats in a court house parking lot, or at their dinner meeting.
A lot of this could be more like a armed robbery crew, not a kitted out special forces group.
Is there a single person on youtube that makes videos that aren't about being out in the woods? 99% of people live in cities.
No.. I don't think 99% of people live in cities lol
Yes
If you live in a city when the SHTF your dead. Plain and simple. Especially if you live in an apartament building. 🤣🤣🤣 There is a guy Selco , who wrote a book about surviving an besiged city. That's the best there is. Short story - your fucked unless you have more lucky than Jesus Christ
In the U.S. even towns with 5,000 people are labeled "cities"
When referring to cities, that is generally referring to metropolitan cities unlike most urban or suburban areas. Just about any area away from a metropolitan area has alot of suburban and rural areas. Most already expect that the metropolitan areas will be a no-go in just about any survival scenario where SHTF in just about any aspect.
You train how you fight. MOUT training is crucial, as most armed conflicts occur in close to midrange,urban environments, given that that is where the bulk of the global population is.
MOUT city, Ft. Bragg, 1998 ??
It's always good to have as many tools in the toolbox as you possibly can. But in a shtf situation it's really difficult to come up with a scenario of having to have to do CQB. During that situation I'm not a police officer or a military person. I'm a survivor. Being a Survivor means trying to avoid every single situation that might kill you. CQB sucks ass even when there's an ambulance waiting for you right outside. With no emergency room or doctors available on the spot, I am not doing CQB no way!!!
Does anyone know how to find the enemy?
can i have the link to the modern minuteman standardized loadout video. i cannot for the life of me find it.
Clear eye pro on a strap, around your neck, one type "Froggs " actually float. 👍
I preach getting different equipment for different environments. I understand it’s expensive, but buy once cry once. Out in the wide open country and rural areas you don’t need plate carriers. There are more places for cover, and I don’t think anybody should stay in a long drawn out engagement with a professional military or law enforcement, that’s just stupid. Hit hard, run away, take the lessons of Vietnam and the Middle East. In the city, you need body armor. It’s much harder to break contact in a city than it is in the country. There are more funnels and kill zones, there are windows that enemy can just pop up at and shoot at you. It’s smart to wear armor in an urban environment and go light weight outside of the city. All I have is a plate carrier myself, but I take the plates out and switch to a boonie cover when I’m in the country. I can move better, I can take cover easier, and I can get into shooting positions that I just can’t do when I’m armored up.
What are all the hot spots at your 900 relitive?
Say what it is Randall. Most youtubers are just there as salesmen to sell product and convince you that what was the best yesterday is shit today and to buy more stuff.
MOUT is awesome for skill and team building. But keep it real. One guy will take one to the chest. Integrate that training. Who treats, who pulls left security, who pulls right, near, far, who calls up the 9-line, who transports him, which egress route, who humps his gear out, which team covers your exit if gear/wounded brings you down to one effective fighter in your team? Train for reality. Do you have frags?
As a OC, nothing is more shocking to a team being tested as when I put two squares of red tape on two stack team members and say, “Continue, Take Action!” And their plan shatters. Then while they scurry, I have an OPFOR engage from down the hallway.
Reality…..apply it.
I'm sorry I'm new to the military world and especially the grunt world can someone explain to me what is a MOUT?
Train in everything. Especially the stuff you suck at. Too many people train in what they’re already good at, or what they like. Just my opinion.
I remember sprinting up a mountain once. Made it about 60 yards and collapsed in a numb pile of worthless crap. Seriously.
I live in the hills on a ranch. A long way out. No way am I, my neighbours or our crew ever going go CQB/MOUT and get killed. The towns can chop themselves to pieces but out here, we'll be waiting.
Training in MOUT is critical, as this is where a majority of people in the U.S. currently reside. I don't see as much value in CQB, that is something utilized in hostage rescue primarily, and there isn't going to be a lot of that in the typical asymmetrical conflict.
Hand folded NINJA SWORD 😂😂😂 AND A SPOON.😂😂 And a pencil like John Wick 😂😂😂
Goddamn this channel has valuable information
I'll be in the woods. Only chance of me headed into the cities is if my kids don't listen...wait...never mind...FUKK!!!
Gas masks are important... some basic chemistry can make CQB a lot easier.
Great video