ye i think during one of the dream smp streams he mentions that someone finally told him that and he was like ''what?! when did they change that?!' '4 years ago' 'why didn't anyone mention this BEFORE i duelled for $100,000?!'' lmao
You get a crit in minecraft when you are falling down. Being higher or lower doesnt affect it and there's no chances. If you're falling and you hit your opponent you do a crit 100% of the time, unless it's in the newest version and you're sprinting.
Also hijacking the top comment to say that you shouldn't really be jumping in 1.8 pvp because that means you will get knocked back further and it makes it easier for your opponent to combo you.
I actually heard the Dream and Techno had agreed to split the money before the duel even began no matter what happened, so they each got 50,000. It might be wrong but I thought it was pretty interesting.
That’s why I wonder if, with the power of hindsight, techno wishes he hadn’t wanted to split... or if the pressure of no-split would’ve been too much for him
@@YoBGS there's not much academic literature on this as compared to other studies. The self help book is more popular than the number of research done and is still quite speculative
For real! I wasn’t sure given that, obv I hadn’t seen this before but it’s incredible the difference this made! I also feel like I picked up a lot of info!
Techno actually said later he didn't know sprinting disabled crits in the newest version. It is especially noticeable in the first fight toward the end where techno is trying to finish dream off. You can see him jumping for a crit but he is also sprinting at the time which cancels it out. Major reason why he lost the first fight, at least in my opinion.
I dont think anyone knows where Technoblade pulled that crafting table from. It's cursed and he's a god that's my only reasonable conclusion the kit didnt even have wood...how the hell did Techno get a crafting table!!
@@jacobariemma2065 but his axe didnt lose durability and yeah he could have breaked it with his hands but I suppose there is some protection against breaking blocks maybe
The crafting table is a joke and a strategic ploy actually, the point of it is if Dream attempts to hit Techno but misses, he has a chance of hitting the crafting table which will open the crafting table interface allowing Techno to get a hit or two before Dream exits the interface. Also I like the new hair color 👍 Edit: it’s not missing a hit it’s when trying to block that u open the crafting interface
@@desipug not really aMistake. i wouldnt be surprised if dream learned to block hit. (Which would require a right click). But i doubt that thats why he did it.
14:03 he let him down because in later versions items like axes, swords, pickaxes, etc. have a cooldown of sorts. they'll only do maximum damage if they're "cooldown" is complete, if he had just spam clicked to keep dream up there he would've done almost no damage.
Can you please watch “why technoblade never dies” by frostbyte Freeman its very good it’s about techno as a person and the duel it’s very good similar style to zyphoons videos
@@YoBGS Oh exactly, I also forget that most of the times when I watch something I don't audibly laugh out loud at most things, I just appreciate them in my head
it's a shame techno never made that vid he said he would make about his preparations for the duel, but from watching other people's content (he trained with a lot of different known pvp gods), you can tell he put aside his potatoes and put that time into practicing
You should absolutely check out the SAD-ist animation, it's gorgeous! Beyond that, Philza's video "wilbur talks about eating sand for 14 minutes" is hilarious SBI content
Pvp analysis 1.8: 1.8 is all about knockback since knockback is a big part of being able to combo. A combo in minecraft is a series of hits on the opponent where you are in a position where you can get consecutive hits on your oponent without them hitting you, this can be achived by clicked fairly fast and moving at a perfect rate. Blockhitting is another factor as well, since you play on bedrock edition it does not exist however block hitting is ability to hit the oponent and quickly block your sword reducing damage by half a heart. However, the timing is very hard and most of the time makes no difference, blocking your sword is mainly used to reduce damage from ranged attacks(bows). Fishing rods relate back to knockback, since fishing rods are a ranged weapon that deals knockback without any recharge it is a major factor for being able to pull of a combo or get some extra space between your opponent.(For this version it is useful to have your back against a wall because your opponent cant combo you, leaving you with a good oppurtunity to combo back). 1.9+: (I play on bedrock edition so please correct me if I miss anything or say something that is wrong) Unlike 1.8, 1.9 is purely based on timing and skill(not just how fast you can click)because of the new cooldown feature for every weapon. With axes being able to disable shields for a moment and doing more damage than a sword, there is no point in using a sword when your opponent has a shield. The knowledge of knowing how much time the sheild is disabled and knowing when your shield is disabled. Also realizing when to go for axe crits is really what Dream has mastered more than any other individual(Even in this dual against Technoblade he was able to win with a significant amount of hearts left) Crossbows are like the fishing rods in 1.9, however mostly used to get extra space off your opponent while also dealing damage. Once again, hard to master when or when to know not to use it, however Dream mastered it. Basically every single hit counts, as you can see in the duals for 1.9 Tecnoblade empahises missing hits. Also for 1.9 healing is so much faster, luckily there is no food for this fight, but still a bit of saturation making it pretty difficult for someone like Technoblade who is so use to 1.8 healing making it harder to predict what hp Dream has. Same goes vise versa with Dream. I hope this is useful for anyone out there who is not clear with some of the PvP mechanics. Anyone who wants to add/correct something please feel free to leave a comment!
Eh, in 1.8 it still doesn't really matter how fast you click. As long as you're getting around 6cps (which is pretty low) there isn't a difference between that and clicking faster. (though there is a difference from 6cps to 12cps, its an incredibly miniscule difference)
Not really sure about the "having you back to a wall strat". People can combo you and you can stick to the wall, no way to go back and escape the combo, so if they have you in a good combo you can't get down easily. In a corner it's even worse since you also can't strafe so I would advise to have lot of space for movement.
@@HydroMaple To get off a combo you need to be moving at such a rate while hitting your opponent to a point that they wont hit you. If you combo them against the wall, it would be too hard(nearly impossible) for you to keep them without hitting you. Once they do hit you the tables are even and you would have escaped there combo. However Techno or Dream didn't do this because rods are in play, if you use a rod correctly and accuratly then its very hard to escape.
ik this is old but timing block hits is better and there r more ways to do more kb like w tap s tap 7 tap etc and snowballs in 1.8 also can be used to do the same thing as rods
Stream was awesome! Updating this comment to link to the Discord if you wanna be a part of some cool ppl: discord.gg/U5W5pue2NG. ALSO looks like I've got the hang of Java enough to start getting some gameplay videos made so hopefully ya'll will be here for those!
The thing i love about the mc community is theres always one player whoes a god at pvp or buildin or parkour thats never been seen before cuz they dont do youtube or anything like that
There's also this video by Frostbyte freeman called "Why technoblade never dies - why techno beat dream" and I think thats a good watch after you finish watching their analysis
The triangle strat only really works in 1.8 and below because you can spam attack someone, which is why it didn't matter that one time you noticed Dream was on a higher block since they were on 1.16 and using axes.
You should watch The Legend of Technoblade - King of Minecraft by EvanMCGaming Edit:It shows the story of techno from a person dominating small servers to beating the green man aka dream and more
ok so i'm a really good pvper in 1.8 so i'm gonna explain some stuff: criting is really good because it deals 1.5 the amount of damage (and you crit only while falling down) when you jump you get more knockback when you get hit getting knocked back is really bad because it starts a combo which is a series of hits which really hard to avoid good pvpers can counter crits by roding the other player when they jump and because of that they get a lot of knockback and the other player can start a combo there is a lot more to 1.8 pvp but this is the most important things in this video hope you read this huge article and learn a bit about 1.8 pvp
nope jumping doesnt make more knockback sprinting does also it seems youu know some things but not why so let me correct a few 1.8 is momentum based meaning when you get knockbacked your momentum is backwards and you cant reach your opponent as well as the obvious disadvantage of being higher which in turn is what causes you to get combo''d
I've been hyped for this :) Edit: Also, I know a lot of people have already recommended Sad-ist, and I 100% agree with them, but as the animations are rather short it may be worthwhile to wait until you get further into the DreamSMP content and then react to multiple sadist animations at the same time.
jumping not required you have to hit while falling and while in a flat area you have to go up to go down if you walk off a cliff and hit while falling its still a crit
You can crit only when you are fallin, not when you are higher than the enemy, if you are higher than them, you will never hit a crit as their hitbox is too far
Crits matter dude that 150% (or +50%) damage adds up really fast and when u r lower than ur enemy when u jump the pythagorean theorem also apply. But getting a crit is worth jumping for a temporary opening. Edit: momentum is everything in 1.8.9 hence the fishing fod to mess up the enemy's momentum even if it does no dmg, and the double hit can lead to a full combo because the double hit knocks the enemy back messing up their momentum while you gain momentum, block hitting is also a thing and that extra bit of dmg reduction is pretty good even if it slows u down.
Techno has said he was extremely stressed, apparently he could barely eat for like a week before due to stress. Also the decision to split the money greatly reduced his stress
With regard to your question about why they are jumping: They are not actually jumping in those exchanges, its just knockback hitting them up vertically. Normally, the vertical displacement is negligible, but after being hit repeatedly in a small time frame, the player can go high enough that it looks like they are jumping. This is also what makes w-tapping so powerful in 1.8.
14:05 The reason why Techno let Dream leave the high ground is because it isn't as useful in 1.16 to have the low ground. Since you have to wait for your weapon to charge up instead of constantly spamming right click. Also, because Dream is a block up, I would say it would be harder to land an axe crit for Techno, but I'm not sure about that.
During 1.8, since it’s a flurry of clicks and swing. Movement is key, you always need to keep changing your movement which is why strafe patterns or super important. Jumping is sort of a mix up, it changes up your movement and is less predictable.
Height is more important in 1.8 (Techno's preferred version) because the knock back is higher and the spamming ability allows for disgusting combos after the first hit lands. Basically you hit them further up and, therefore, gain an even bigger advantage. On the other had in 1.9 you can block in mid air and cancel the combo.
i forget where techno said this but i remember him talking to his stream about how he almost didnt eat anything for the full week before the duel. thats how stressed he was. just goes to show how much anxiety the poor dude got from the duel. Cause for dream if he lost he'd just post another manhunt and the internet would forget in a few weeks and not care. If techno lost the internet would never forget. and could have been negatively affected (reputation wise). lots of love goes out to techno and the amount of skill and effort he puts into things! techno support forever!!!
Can you watch the legend of technoblade by EvanMcGaming? He made a good video talking about his journey of TH-cam and he also has a part 1 on dream aswell
If you jump, you get more knockback, which makes it easier to be comboed. And the triangle thing is much more important in 1.8 than in newer versions. Now about the bow/fishing rods, they`re used for knockbacks, making the combo easier. But remember that all of this is 1.8 stuff is much more relevant when you're at least above 10 clicks per second, like these guys
The one block high is only good with the shield because of it affect when you hit it you get knocked back meaning dream getting the advantage of being in the high ground
In pvp u only able to track people health by remembering which u also need to remember the strat and the lag In 1.8 there no crit just combo Reason they jump in 1.8 to get the speed to make a combo If u sprint without jumping u dont have enough speed to keep up with combo cuz knock back will be too far to do combo In 1.16 axe crit only important
Usually the tactic for 1.8 (Sword version) is to use lag to your advantage, meaning that you can hit your enemy before they can hit you since you're closer on your screen than on theirs. This is why it favours the aggressor and why high ground is so important because the quick attack speed allows juggles. The fishing-rod after securing a sprint hit is important as it stops the enemies sprint, meaning you can use that lag to secure a free second hit while they're in the air or recovering. The tactic for 1.16 (Axe Version) favours the defender, getting free blows through blocking with a shield. Without the fishing rod to stop regen, plus with regen being accelerated in 1.16, you need to rely on crossbows/bows to stop the enemies regen. Sometimes in the earlier battles (I believe battle no.2) you see dream hit techno with smaller hits so that techno swings while being knocked back, thus further than he anticipated and ultimately missing entirely. Usually its decided by trading axe crits or blocking the opponent while they're in the air so you can return an axe crit. Personally I see 1.8 as having the higher outplay potential with mechanical skill and use of the fishing rod, but alot of people see it as left-click fiesta
Dream also has an analysis video on his second channel [Dream XD] as well as him destroying his friends for an hour to help him cope with his loss [that hour long one is not suggested to be reacted to since it's kinda boring and really long just something to watch on your own time]
9:15 The jump itself on equal level as the opponent will not matter since a block higher won't do a difference on hitting the opponent because of the hitboxes but if your in the block instead you won't be able to jump But jump itself is how you do crits because jumping while in a block more high will make the opponents hitbox too far Also bring in high ground can be an advantage too especially on steep or mountains which can do shorter crits and fall damage but the short crits is not a major advantage itself. Edit: I know I'm late but a cool fact only learned recently is techno didn't know that sprinting while jumping doesn't do crits after the duel. Yet he still won despise that major disadvantage
4:40 the famous saying "take the high ground" doesn't really work in sword fighting for techno's reason exactly. it's said about battle strategy, not tactics - it's easier to decend than ascend - therefore in a strategic setting it's true (also all kinds of ranged weapons benefit from it too, because gravity).
So are you saying you are supposed to have the high ground or not? Because in Minecraft, speaking from experience, you can fuck people up pretty bad if you have the lower ground. Also I don't get your point of gravity benefiting ranged weapons. It's true that damage of arrows is calculated with speed, but arrows don't gain any significant speed while going down after shooting them.
@YoBGS 14:05 You can’t juggle someone because there is a cool down from when you hit someone/when you hit nothing. So both Techno and Dream would want to get Crits rather than 1 getting a Crit, and the other not get a Crit (They can both hit again at the same time, so it is useless to not go for crits) The only useful advantage with being a block lower is hitting the opposite earlier, but if you both are close enough to each other, it doesn’t make much of a difference.
It’s easier to knock people back if you are higher than them, because if you try to knock people back when they are higher then you, they can just jump on you. But for damage you want low ground.
We aren't in star wars sadly, so the high ground is actually a bad thing, both in real combat and in minecraft, unless you're talking about a bow and arrow thing
In Minecraft, you actually jump over 1 block high. So, jumping in 1.8 combat is a very bad idea. Not only because of the Pythagorean Theorem (triangles), but also in 1.8 combat you are practically banking on the fact that you can combo your opponent (hitting them multiple times in a row). Jumping in this combat makes you take more knockback and makes you easier to combo. A critical hit is better than a normal hit, but it's not worth the 2 - 3 hit combo that will result in your jump. Now in 1.16, it is worth it to critical hit because you can't spam click and continuously deal the same damage, you have to wait for a cooldown. So, combos don't happen, meaning that knockback isn't as big of a worry. The only reason knockback would be troublesome in 1.16 combat is near a cliff, which aren't in these duels.
13:52 The reason why Techno can't hold the low position is that the advantage it gives is based on hitting from a distance; it gives him a free hit because he can step back - out of Dream's range - while still being able to hit him, however stepping back also gives Dream the opportunity to escape the high ground after that hit, so it can't be chained with only a single step of height difference. Also, swords aren't _purely_ ornamental in 1.16 generally, but they may as well be in shield PvP.
to sum up your confusions about PVP: >height has no effect on crits, you only get them while falling >jumping to crit doesn't really have too much of an effect on the Right Triangle issue, because you're pretty much in their face already to land the crit, *but* the default jump height *is* roughly one block, but you're not up for long enough for it to matter anyways -honestly I can't 100% comment on Dream being a "counter-puncher" or anything, but 1.9 PVP definitely punishes running in and swinging all around, *especially* with Axes, so while it *is* better to go for "counter-punches", it's just because it's easier with how 1.9 combat is -you can't really "play defense" to keep the lowground like that, a sprint jump has more forward momentum than a normal hit's knockback, *on top of that*, I SEVERELY doubt that a Diamond Axe's hit cooldown would have been short enough to juggle effectively -1.9 and 1.8 PVP are pretty different, but the main similarity has to be: if you can be more fluid with your attack/defense styles, you'll be better off, because there are different ways to be aggressive or defensive (though not *that* many, it's enough to make a difference) feel free to correct me on anything here but don't act like a know-it-all prick about it
With the lower thing, it's more of distancing. If your enemy can't hit you because you have like a quarter block more reach than them it doesn't even matter about the crits as much since they can't get near you.
Dude, I love your hair!! It looks incredible! Also, I hope you enjoyed some of the jokes I enjoyed in this, I guess I’ll see. 😂 I’m actually really impressed that you learned through video. I’ve spent a while with mobs and mates over the years, and you’re picking up all this information really well.
A lot of other people have said this but just want to put my own wording out there. You seemed to have some confusion on crits in general, and confused the strategies between the two versions a bit. - Crits happen 100% of the time if you land an attack while falling - crits don’t work while sprinting in 1.9+, techno did not know this, you can see a few times where he sprinted in and didn’t land a crit - blocking with the sword is only a thing in 1.8 - in 1.8, crits are not as important as getting more hits in. Being higher than your opponent is bad because triangles and increased knockback, which keeps you at an angle where you can’t hit your opponent and they can hit you for longer. - the height advantage/disadvantage is primarily thing in 1.8, since 1.9+ focuses on big hits and shielding, rather than range. Most of the fight is going to happen well within attacking range of the other person. It still matters in 1.9 to the extent where it can determine who gets the first hit, but once the close range combat starts it doesn’t make much of a difference. - “Juggling” the opponent and keeping them at range is a goal in 1.8, but not 1.9+. It just isn’t going to happen with an axe because it’s so slow. In 1.8 you can constantly swing, so it’s much more viable. If you do double hits like that in 1.9+ you do no damage and are giving your opponent free hits.
Really got used to the previous look and liked that a whole lot, but purple looks nice as well, and 1-2 more videos and it won’t be so new and distracting anymore^^
See, I don’t think you understand how much the version changes the pvp. Dream’s version is 1.16. And techno’s is 1.8. But what you don’t understand is that they’re both Gods at their own versions, but Dream has been playing since the start so he still knows how to play 1.8, whereas techno has stayed in 1.8 for so long, and he almost has to start from ground zero, and Dream is already ahead of 90% of people in the version, and ahead of 60% of people in 1.8. So it’s fair to say that it’s a pretty big upset if Techno takes a game off of Dream in 1.16. But he takes 2 games, making it a HUGE upset. This is what allowed him to push past Dream in the duel. In fact, many people even said that Dream is a level above everyone else in 1.16 pvp, and that he also could hold his own in 1.8, and so many people thought techno would lose.
Ok so in the newer version of Minecraft 1.16 using an axe and jumping allows you to get a crit which deals more damage unless it’s blocked by a shield. However once you block a crit your shield gets disabled making you vulnerable. Now in 1.8 it’s much more about using rods to get used to ping and their aren’t real crits it’s much more about clicking faster and gets combos
It's even crazier when Techno didn't know properly crit for the 1.16 duels! Like, could you image how powerful he'd been knowing that? But as a bedrock player that does hard survival with my best friend, I don't know how'd I do in a actual pvp fight. I watch a lot of MC PVP's like xNestorio and Cxlvxn/Calvin (They're both amazing and I'd def recommend watching their videos, especially Calvin's cause his jitter and butterfly clicking scared the heck out of me-like, this man is obliterating his hand with how fast he clicks)
the 1 block advantage is only really important in 1.8 combat as all attacks are max damage with no charge up and its alot of mach speed clicking while taking advantage of/exploiting weird aspects of the game and bugs to deal as many hits without them in range to hit you (and with fishing rod you can do tricks to doublehit or hit someone with your sword despite them being out of range and is definately not an intended feature of minecraft)
Also the block advantage isnt that big if your enemy knows how to aim, it doesnt change your damage it just complicates your enemy's hitbox so its harder for them to hit you if youre a block lower
1.8 and 1.9 is different! 1.8 pvp, when u jump u get comboed by the enemy more, so in the 1.8 duels no one was jumping. In 1.9, it doesnt matter how high you are, as long as you land the hit while falling at the right time with the right axe charge ( you cant spam )
The advantage about jumping is when youre on even ground you can just jump crit without worrying of the height disadvantage. When your opponent is higher than you, you dont have to jump crit because youre hitting your opponent more if youre lower
In raw PVP battles it is definitely better to be as low as possible but in Minecraft in general and in different types of PVP games having a higher height advantage can be a huge thing for sure. You mostly see this in games where you can build like say Bedwars and Skywars because being higher than your opponent means that they have to build up to you where you can easily just knock them down and if they decide to stay on the ground that means you can have the jump on them at any point.
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I think techno later revealed that he didn’t know how to properly crit in 1.16
He didn’t realise you couldn’t crit whilst sprinting. It was. Man.
ya he did
ye i think during one of the dream smp streams he mentions that someone finally told him that and he was like ''what?! when did they change that?!' '4 years ago' 'why didn't anyone mention this BEFORE i duelled for $100,000?!'' lmao
Fruit berries help him out with that
Easy mistake to make especially since it feels like 1.8 and 1.16 are completely different games almost
You get a crit in minecraft when you are falling down. Being higher or lower doesnt affect it and there's no chances. If you're falling and you hit your opponent you do a crit 100% of the time, unless it's in the newest version and you're sprinting.
Also hijacking the top comment to say that you shouldn't really be jumping in 1.8 pvp because that means you will get knocked back further and it makes it easier for your opponent to combo you.
@@KoruGo yea i didn't say it was a good idea to go for crits in 1.8 xd
@@santaisreal i think it was just more info for YoBGS rather for you, OP :)
Thank you! I’m still used to my halo 3 strats of Jumpathon 24/7 and it’s a hard pvp habit to break
@@YoBGS I remember playing Quake at Lan parties, where jump strafing and bunny hopping was basically required to be competitive
I actually heard the Dream and Techno had agreed to split the money before the duel even began no matter what happened, so they each got 50,000. It might be wrong but I thought it was pretty interesting.
thats what happened
No, you are 100% right
I heard that two but I rewatched the video and couldn’t remember where I I heard it
@@ThatoneGuy-ts7xd it's the dreamXD video at the end it says "we split the money :)"
That’s why I wonder if, with the power of hindsight, techno wishes he hadn’t wanted to split... or if the pressure of no-split would’ve been too much for him
There was a theory that says ADHD is the side effect of being an effective hunter during hunter gatherer times.
For real? I never knew that! Kinda makes sense tho bc you’d be drawn to movement
@@YoBGS there's not much academic literature on this as compared to other studies. The self help book is more popular than the number of research done and is still quite speculative
well they both have adhd right so that’s cool ig
Yay I'm glad you watched the analysis video! I personally liked it more than the mrbeast gaming video itself. Also I like the hair :)
Same, the analysis is much better imo (:
For real! I wasn’t sure given that, obv I hadn’t seen this before but it’s incredible the difference this made! I also feel like I picked up a lot of info!
I agree on both points
@@YoBGS lol
Crits dont come from high ground, they come from swinging while falling
Techno actually said later he didn't know sprinting disabled crits in the newest version. It is especially noticeable in the first fight toward the end where techno is trying to finish dream off. You can see him jumping for a crit but he is also sprinting at the time which cancels it out. Major reason why he lost the first fight, at least in my opinion.
I didn’t realize that either. That’s kinda a killer for me bc I toggle sprint all the time
@@YoBGS you can stop walking to cancel the sprint so that you can still crit
@@YoBGS Dream uses Toggle Sprint
It’s a good thing he doesn’t toggle sprint
I dont think anyone knows where Technoblade pulled that crafting table from. It's cursed and he's a god that's my only reasonable conclusion
the kit didnt even have wood...how the hell did Techno get a crafting table!!
the starting area had planks
@@jacobariemma2065 and you can see his axe has durability on it
@@jacobariemma2065 but his axe didnt lose durability and yeah he could have breaked it with his hands but I suppose there is some protection against breaking blocks maybe
@@pedropereira6888 I don't think there was protection, in the aftermath video Dream goes back to one of the arenas and breaks the silverfish blocks.
He took the sticks from the bow and the rod and made 4 planks and made a crafting table
The crafting table is a joke and a strategic ploy actually, the point of it is if Dream attempts to hit Techno but misses, he has a chance of hitting the crafting table which will open the crafting table interface allowing Techno to get a hit or two before Dream exits the interface. Also I like the new hair color 👍
Edit: it’s not missing a hit it’s when trying to block that u open the crafting interface
lol
Also it’s assumed he made it with planks he mined from the starting area, hence why he still has to punch a tree
@Honglin Xue yeah, right click opens the interface, not left click.
@Honglin Xue sorry made a mistake I edited the comment
@@desipug not really aMistake. i wouldnt be surprised if dream learned to block hit. (Which would require a right click). But i doubt that thats why he did it.
You get a critical hit when you're FALLING, not when you're higher than the oponent :D
critical hits trigger when you hit someone while falling it doesnt matter how high you are
But does ot matter how sober you are?
@@aliabusaleh419 You can still fall when not sober.
@@alejjtheninja5803 oh
14:03 he let him down because in later versions items like axes, swords, pickaxes, etc. have a cooldown of sorts. they'll only do maximum damage if they're "cooldown" is complete, if he had just spam clicked to keep dream up there he would've done almost no damage.
Haha, everyone already wants Dream to get a heart monitor for his manhunts, now one for Techno too?
I have to know! It’s the only way to know if techno is legit stressed or if he goes into like bullet-time and is sniper steady in those moments!
Can you please watch “why technoblade never dies” by frostbyte Freeman its very good it’s about techno as a person and the duel it’s very good similar style to zyphoons videos
I agree
It also goes into what techno stands to lose compared to dream and how much more risky the duel was for techno 👌
100% agree please watch! :)
yes
I recomend this video as well, good insight into technobaldes mental state
Seeing him stone faced at all of techno's jokes/quips is weird to me, I love techno's sense of humor so much but I get it can be dry
I feel like that's how he means for them to land though. He makes the jokes like a master passing on wisdom so I just take them as actual wisdom lol.
@@YoBGS Oh exactly, I also forget that most of the times when I watch something I don't audibly laugh out loud at most things, I just appreciate them in my head
it's a shame techno never made that vid he said he would make about his preparations for the duel, but from watching other people's content (he trained with a lot of different known pvp gods), you can tell he put aside his potatoes and put that time into practicing
You should absolutely check out the SAD-ist animation, it's gorgeous! Beyond that, Philza's video "wilbur talks about eating sand for 14 minutes" is hilarious SBI content
Imagine the score if techno knew about the crit change
Possibly 7-3
@@walnut6684 i think i’d be around 4-6 maybe
@@naz7797 Bro that's the score it was in the video
@naz7797 that's the score of the video techno could've don't 7 3 or 8 2 honestly
Y'all talking as if dream would let him hit or he is a beginner 💀
Pvp analysis
1.8: 1.8 is all about knockback since knockback is a big part of being able to combo. A combo in minecraft is a series of hits on the opponent where you are in a position where you can get consecutive hits on your oponent without them hitting you, this can be achived by clicked fairly fast and moving at a perfect rate. Blockhitting is another factor as well, since you play on bedrock edition it does not exist however block hitting is ability to hit the oponent and quickly block your sword reducing damage by half a heart. However, the timing is very hard and most of the time makes no difference, blocking your sword is mainly used to reduce damage from ranged attacks(bows). Fishing rods relate back to knockback, since fishing rods are a ranged weapon that deals knockback without any recharge it is a major factor for being able to pull of a combo or get some extra space between your opponent.(For this version it is useful to have your back against a wall because your opponent cant combo you, leaving you with a good oppurtunity to combo back).
1.9+: (I play on bedrock edition so please correct me if I miss anything or say something that is wrong) Unlike 1.8, 1.9 is purely based on timing and skill(not just how fast you can click)because of the new cooldown feature for every weapon. With axes being able to disable shields for a moment and doing more damage than a sword, there is no point in using a sword when your opponent has a shield. The knowledge of knowing how much time the sheild is disabled and knowing when your shield is disabled. Also realizing when to go for axe crits is really what Dream has mastered more than any other individual(Even in this dual against Technoblade he was able to win with a significant amount of hearts left) Crossbows are like the fishing rods in 1.9, however mostly used to get extra space off your opponent while also dealing damage. Once again, hard to master when or when to know not to use it, however Dream mastered it. Basically every single hit counts, as you can see in the duals for 1.9 Tecnoblade empahises missing hits. Also for 1.9 healing is so much faster, luckily there is no food for this fight, but still a bit of saturation making it pretty difficult for someone like Technoblade who is so use to 1.8 healing making it harder to predict what hp Dream has. Same goes vise versa with Dream.
I hope this is useful for anyone out there who is not clear with some of the PvP mechanics. Anyone who wants to add/correct something please feel free to leave a comment!
Eh, in 1.8 it still doesn't really matter how fast you click. As long as you're getting around 6cps (which is pretty low) there isn't a difference between that and clicking faster. (though there is a difference from 6cps to 12cps, its an incredibly miniscule difference)
@@KoruGo Oh yeah, now that you mention it I think I heard of that somewhere but didn't know the exact numbers or remember it.
Not really sure about the "having you back to a wall strat". People can combo you and you can stick to the wall, no way to go back and escape the combo, so if they have you in a good combo you can't get down easily. In a corner it's even worse since you also can't strafe so I would advise to have lot of space for movement.
@@HydroMaple To get off a combo you need to be moving at such a rate while hitting your opponent to a point that they wont hit you. If you combo them against the wall, it would be too hard(nearly impossible) for you to keep them without hitting you. Once they do hit you the tables are even and you would have escaped there combo. However Techno or Dream didn't do this because rods are in play, if you use a rod correctly and accuratly then its very hard to escape.
ik this is old but timing block hits is better and there r more ways to do more kb like w tap s tap 7 tap etc and snowballs in 1.8 also can be used to do the same thing as rods
Stream was awesome! Updating this comment to link to the Discord if you wanna be a part of some cool ppl: discord.gg/U5W5pue2NG. ALSO looks like I've got the hang of Java enough to start getting some gameplay videos made so hopefully ya'll will be here for those!
We in chat were spoken for, but honestly, most of us would've wanted to say hi anyways I bet.
You should know that there aren't crits in 1.8
Yes no crits in 1.8
Dream: *Serious*
Techno: Seriou- oooh, an arrow. *serious*
The thing i love about the mc community is theres always one player whoes a god at pvp or buildin or parkour thats never been seen before cuz they dont do youtube or anything like that
The crafting table helps test ping on how fast you can get in and out of the grid menu
For real?! That is amazing...
I was away for a day or two and I come back to some SICK lookin’ hair! The purple looks amazing ✨
Appreciate you so much! It was super needed
I say you should check out "Technoblade Never Dies - Why Techno Beat Dream" by Frostbyte Freeman
There's also this video by Frostbyte freeman called "Why technoblade never dies - why techno beat dream" and I think thats a good watch after you finish watching their analysis
Yesssss I need to check this out too!
Hey maybe don’t watch the fall by sadist yet it may have spoilers to war
The triangle strat only really works in 1.8 and below because you can spam attack someone, which is why it didn't matter that one time you noticed Dream was on a higher block since they were on 1.16 and using axes.
You should watch The Legend of Technoblade - King of Minecraft by EvanMCGaming
Edit:It shows the story of techno from a person dominating small servers to beating the green man aka dream and more
Yessss I've heard awesome things about this!
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as a long time midlevel chess player, i 100% agree.
about 10% of my wins are me capitalising on the mistakes of a better positioned opponent.
Knowing how to win is a very underrated skill, mainly because when you say it it seems so obvious
His hair purple now I’m so confused I was used to the green hair lol
ok so i'm a really good pvper in 1.8 so i'm gonna explain some stuff:
criting is really good because it deals 1.5 the amount of damage (and you crit only while falling down)
when you jump you get more knockback when you get hit
getting knocked back is really bad because it starts a combo which is a series of hits which really hard to avoid
good pvpers can counter crits by roding the other player when they jump and because of that they get a lot of knockback and the other player can start a combo
there is a lot more to 1.8 pvp but this is the most important things in this video
hope you read this huge article and learn a bit about 1.8 pvp
nope jumping doesnt make more knockback sprinting does also it seems youu know some things but not why so let me correct a few 1.8 is momentum based meaning when you get knockbacked your momentum is backwards and you cant reach your opponent as well as the obvious disadvantage of being higher which in turn is what causes you to get combo''d
@@goldencloud7527 "When you jump you get more knockback when you get hit"
@@lucianoariasduval it does say edited though it was probably there before i wrote that and i just cant read
@@goldencloud7527 Np, it happens
I've been hyped for this :)
Edit: Also, I know a lot of people have already recommended Sad-ist, and I 100% agree with them, but as the animations are rather short it may be worthwhile to wait until you get further into the DreamSMP content and then react to multiple sadist animations at the same time.
Good point
To get a crit you need to jump then swing as your falling and it’s a guarantee
jumping not required you have to hit while falling and while in a flat area you have to go up to go down if you walk off a cliff and hit while falling its still a crit
@@goldencloud7527 I forgot to add that but yes
You can crit only when you are fallin, not when you are higher than the enemy, if you are higher than them, you will never hit a crit as their hitbox is too far
Crits matter dude that 150% (or +50%) damage adds up really fast and when u r lower than ur enemy when u jump the pythagorean theorem also apply. But getting a crit is worth jumping for a temporary opening.
Edit: momentum is everything in 1.8.9 hence the fishing fod to mess up the enemy's momentum even if it does no dmg, and the double hit can lead to a full combo because the double hit knocks the enemy back messing up their momentum while you gain momentum, block hitting is also a thing and that extra bit of dmg reduction is pretty good even if it slows u down.
Techno has said he was extremely stressed, apparently he could barely eat for like a week before due to stress. Also the decision to split the money greatly reduced his stress
With regard to your question about why they are jumping: They are not actually jumping in those exchanges, its just knockback hitting them up vertically. Normally, the vertical displacement is negligible, but after being hit repeatedly in a small time frame, the player can go high enough that it looks like they are jumping. This is also what makes w-tapping so powerful in 1.8.
THANK YOU! This makes so much sense and is part of why I did this video. I want to play more multiplayer but the nuances of PVP are really tricky.
14:05 The reason why Techno let Dream leave the high ground is because it isn't as useful in 1.16 to have the low ground. Since you have to wait for your weapon to charge up instead of constantly spamming right click. Also, because Dream is a block up, I would say it would be harder to land an axe crit for Techno, but I'm not sure about that.
Apparently during the whole event techno didn't know that you had to jump to do axe crits and kept sprinting to do them
Nah, he knew you needed to jump (it was the same in 1.8) he just didnt realize that sprinting disabled crits altogether.
@@sillyking1991 ahh my bad
Love the new hair! I think that party strat is called W-tapping I’m not so sure because there are different variations.
I meant parry lol
During 1.8, since it’s a flurry of clicks and swing. Movement is key, you always need to keep changing your movement which is why strafe patterns or super important. Jumping is sort of a mix up, it changes up your movement and is less predictable.
Height is more important in 1.8 (Techno's preferred version) because the knock back is higher and the spamming ability allows for disgusting combos after the first hit lands. Basically you hit them further up and, therefore, gain an even bigger advantage. On the other had in 1.9 you can block in mid air and cancel the combo.
Techno is insane when he goes full tryhard mode, his movements and high IQ become so lethal.
17:00 it's called a combo to let you know
Actually the crafting table technique kind of helps, still i do not wanna explain how :)
i forget where techno said this but i remember him talking to his stream about how he almost didnt eat anything for the full week before the duel. thats how stressed he was. just goes to show how much anxiety the poor dude got from the duel. Cause for dream if he lost he'd just post another manhunt and the internet would forget in a few weeks and not care. If techno lost the internet would never forget. and could have been negatively affected (reputation wise).
lots of love goes out to techno and the amount of skill and effort he puts into things! techno support forever!!!
Can you watch the legend of technoblade by EvanMcGaming? He made a good video talking about his journey of TH-cam and he also has a part 1 on dream aswell
If you jump, you get more knockback, which makes it easier to be comboed. And the triangle thing is much more important in 1.8 than in newer versions. Now about the bow/fishing rods, they`re used for knockbacks, making the combo easier. But remember that all of this is 1.8 stuff is much more relevant when you're at least above 10 clicks per second, like these guys
Dream had no chance at all... There was no boats
Or end crystals
@@YoBGS he couldn't even pillar
The one block high is only good with the shield because of it affect when you hit it you get knocked back meaning dream getting the advantage of being in the high ground
Liar you underestimate my power
In pvp u only able to track people health by remembering which u also need to remember the strat and the lag
In 1.8 there no crit just combo
Reason they jump in 1.8 to get the speed to make a combo
If u sprint without jumping u dont have enough speed to keep up with combo cuz knock back will be too far to do combo
In 1.16 axe crit only important
2:56 what is he typing?😳
“Hold on my hack client isn’t working restart”
I love these video Yo, i really like that you actually stop to express your toughts and pause the video to not talk over the audio.
You should watch Terraforming the moon
It’s on Wilbur’s channel.
Now you should watch Frotbyte Freeman's video Technoblade never dies. It gives great analysis
Usually the tactic for 1.8 (Sword version) is to use lag to your advantage, meaning that you can hit your enemy before they can hit you since you're closer on your screen than on theirs. This is why it favours the aggressor and why high ground is so important because the quick attack speed allows juggles. The fishing-rod after securing a sprint hit is important as it stops the enemies sprint, meaning you can use that lag to secure a free second hit while they're in the air or recovering.
The tactic for 1.16 (Axe Version) favours the defender, getting free blows through blocking with a shield. Without the fishing rod to stop regen, plus with regen being accelerated in 1.16, you need to rely on crossbows/bows to stop the enemies regen. Sometimes in the earlier battles (I believe battle no.2) you see dream hit techno with smaller hits so that techno swings while being knocked back, thus further than he anticipated and ultimately missing entirely. Usually its decided by trading axe crits or blocking the opponent while they're in the air so you can return an axe crit.
Personally I see 1.8 as having the higher outplay potential with mechanical skill and use of the fishing rod, but alot of people see it as left-click fiesta
I got so confused by the discord sounds lmao
Dream also has an analysis video on his second channel [Dream XD] as well as him destroying his friends for an hour to help him cope with his loss [that hour long one is not suggested to be reacted to since it's kinda boring and really long just something to watch on your own time]
Yessss I wanna see the Dream vengeance video because it sounds hilarious
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The jump itself on equal level as the opponent will not matter since a block higher won't do a difference on hitting the opponent because of the hitboxes but if your in the block instead you won't be able to jump
But jump itself is how you do crits because jumping while in a block more high will make the opponents hitbox too far
Also bring in high ground can be an advantage too especially on steep or mountains which can do shorter crits and fall damage but the short crits is not a major advantage itself.
Edit: I know I'm late but a cool fact only learned recently is techno didn't know that sprinting while jumping doesn't do crits after the duel.
Yet he still won despise that major disadvantage
am glad this dude appeared in my recommended
I'm glad I did too
:0
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the famous saying "take the high ground" doesn't really work in sword fighting for techno's reason exactly.
it's said about battle strategy, not tactics - it's easier to decend than ascend - therefore in a strategic setting it's true (also all kinds of ranged weapons benefit from it too, because gravity).
So are you saying you are supposed to have the high ground or not? Because in Minecraft, speaking from experience, you can fuck people up pretty bad if you have the lower ground. Also I don't get your point of gravity benefiting ranged weapons. It's true that damage of arrows is calculated with speed, but arrows don't gain any significant speed while going down after shooting them.
@YoBGS 14:05 You can’t juggle someone because there is a cool down from when you hit someone/when you hit nothing. So both Techno and Dream would want to get Crits rather than 1 getting a Crit, and the other not get a Crit (They can both hit again at the same time, so it is useless to not go for crits)
The only useful advantage with being a block lower is hitting the opposite earlier, but if you both are close enough to each other, it doesn’t make much of a difference.
i like the title
you sure won that single bed wars game not too long ago😂😂😂
Honestly, the reason i thought the high ground was good was cause obi wan go brrrr
It’s easier to knock people back if you are higher than them, because if you try to knock people back when they are higher then you, they can just jump on you. But for damage you want low ground.
yoooo what is that fresh cut my man
You streaming after uploading your vids, reminds me of Xisumavoid.
Now I know why I'm so bad at pvp: techno has 20 ping and I have 1000+ ping
Never watched this I'll be watching with you
You get crits when you are on the falling part of a jump and hit your opponent.
We aren't in star wars sadly, so the high ground is actually a bad thing, both in real combat and in minecraft, unless you're talking about a bow and arrow thing
In Minecraft, you actually jump over 1 block high. So, jumping in 1.8 combat is a very bad idea. Not only because of the Pythagorean Theorem (triangles), but also in 1.8 combat you are practically banking on the fact that you can combo your opponent (hitting them multiple times in a row). Jumping in this combat makes you take more knockback and makes you easier to combo. A critical hit is better than a normal hit, but it's not worth the 2 - 3 hit combo that will result in your jump. Now in 1.16, it is worth it to critical hit because you can't spam click and continuously deal the same damage, you have to wait for a cooldown. So, combos don't happen, meaning that knockback isn't as big of a worry. The only reason knockback would be troublesome in 1.16 combat is near a cliff, which aren't in these duels.
The hair POG You were right
13:52 The reason why Techno can't hold the low position is that the advantage it gives is based on hitting from a distance; it gives him a free hit because he can step back - out of Dream's range - while still being able to hit him, however stepping back also gives Dream the opportunity to escape the high ground after that hit, so it can't be chained with only a single step of height difference.
Also, swords aren't _purely_ ornamental in 1.16 generally, but they may as well be in shield PvP.
to sum up your confusions about PVP:
>height has no effect on crits, you only get them while falling
>jumping to crit doesn't really have too much of an effect on the Right Triangle issue, because you're pretty much in their face already to land the crit, *but* the default jump height *is* roughly one block, but you're not up for long enough for it to matter anyways
-honestly I can't 100% comment on Dream being a "counter-puncher" or anything, but 1.9 PVP definitely punishes running in and swinging all around, *especially* with Axes, so while it *is* better to go for "counter-punches", it's just because it's easier with how 1.9 combat is
-you can't really "play defense" to keep the lowground like that, a sprint jump has more forward momentum than a normal hit's knockback, *on top of that*, I SEVERELY doubt that a Diamond Axe's hit cooldown would have been short enough to juggle effectively
-1.9 and 1.8 PVP are pretty different, but the main similarity has to be: if you can be more fluid with your attack/defense styles, you'll be better off, because there are different ways to be aggressive or defensive (though not *that* many, it's enough to make a difference)
feel free to correct me on anything here
but don't act like a know-it-all prick about it
With the lower thing, it's more of distancing. If your enemy can't hit you because you have like a quarter block more reach than them it doesn't even matter about the crits as much since they can't get near you.
Dude, I love your hair!! It looks incredible! Also, I hope you enjoyed some of the jokes I enjoyed in this, I guess I’ll see. 😂
I’m actually really impressed that you learned through video. I’ve spent a while with mobs and mates over the years, and you’re picking up all this information really well.
If you really want to break your brain, F3 + B activates visible hitboxs. Hitboxes in Minecraft are never the way you'd think they'd be 0_0
Sounds about right. I’m used to old games like Mario where his hit box is like way inside his body
A lot of other people have said this but just want to put my own wording out there. You seemed to have some confusion on crits in general, and confused the strategies between the two versions a bit.
- Crits happen 100% of the time if you land an attack while falling
- crits don’t work while sprinting in 1.9+, techno did not know this, you can see a few times where he sprinted in and didn’t land a crit
- blocking with the sword is only a thing in 1.8
- in 1.8, crits are not as important as getting more hits in. Being higher than your opponent is bad because triangles and increased knockback, which keeps you at an angle where you can’t hit your opponent and they can hit you for longer.
- the height advantage/disadvantage is primarily thing in 1.8, since 1.9+ focuses on big hits and shielding, rather than range. Most of the fight is going to happen well within attacking range of the other person. It still matters in 1.9 to the extent where it can determine who gets the first hit, but once the close range combat starts it doesn’t make much of a difference.
- “Juggling” the opponent and keeping them at range is a goal in 1.8, but not 1.9+. It just isn’t going to happen with an axe because it’s so slow. In 1.8 you can constantly swing, so it’s much more viable. If you do double hits like that in 1.9+ you do no damage and are giving your opponent free hits.
his hair looks cool, almost like the Twitch logo
Really got used to the previous look and liked that a whole lot, but purple looks nice as well, and 1-2 more videos and it won’t be so new and distracting anymore^^
Also you should react to sad-ist's animatics!
You should react to Technoblades bedwars Win Streak
now I think we're all aware of what must happen after this
SAD-ist is calling you, YoBGS...
she's waiting
I see you my friend, and I hear you. This week for sure.
See, I don’t think you understand how much the version changes the pvp. Dream’s version is 1.16. And techno’s is 1.8. But what you don’t understand is that they’re both Gods at their own versions, but Dream has been playing since the start so he still knows how to play 1.8, whereas techno has stayed in 1.8 for so long, and he almost has to start from ground zero, and Dream is already ahead of 90% of people in the version, and ahead of 60% of people in 1.8. So it’s fair to say that it’s a pretty big upset if Techno takes a game off of Dream in 1.16. But he takes 2 games, making it a HUGE upset. This is what allowed him to push past Dream in the duel. In fact, many people even said that Dream is a level above everyone else in 1.16 pvp, and that he also could hold his own in 1.8, and so many people thought techno would lose.
You should watch technoblade coaching Ludwig on Ludwigs stream. He goes over pvp near the end
Ok so in the newer version of Minecraft 1.16 using an axe and jumping allows you to get a crit which deals more damage unless it’s blocked by a shield. However once you block a crit your shield gets disabled making you vulnerable. Now in 1.8 it’s much more about using rods to get used to ping and their aren’t real crits it’s much more about clicking faster and gets combos
The tactical crafting table is never a joke
The reason they don’t jump so much is that it is easier to get comboed when you are In the air
It's even crazier when Techno didn't know properly crit for the 1.16 duels! Like, could you image how powerful he'd been knowing that?
But as a bedrock player that does hard survival with my best friend, I don't know how'd I do in a actual pvp fight. I watch a lot of MC PVP's like xNestorio and Cxlvxn/Calvin (They're both amazing and I'd def recommend watching their videos, especially Calvin's cause his jitter and butterfly clicking scared the heck out of me-like, this man is obliterating his hand with how fast he clicks)
Yobgs, quivk question will you play cyberpunk? It releases in 1.5h when im writing this, its 23:28 rn here so i dont think i will sleep tonight lol
the 1 block advantage is only really important in 1.8 combat as all attacks are max damage with no charge up and its alot of mach speed clicking while taking advantage of/exploiting weird aspects of the game and bugs to deal as many hits without them in range to hit you
(and with fishing rod you can do tricks to doublehit or hit someone with your sword despite them being out of range and is definately not an intended feature of minecraft)
Did you learn the ancient crafting table techique?
Also the block advantage isnt that big if your enemy knows how to aim, it doesnt change your damage it just complicates your enemy's hitbox so its harder for them to hit you if youre a block lower
I believe the crafting table is for when dream right clicks with his shield but accidentally opens the crafting table UI instead.
Also, when you jump, you are a full block higher
It was just a joke...Also if he wanted to do that techno would have to place it REALLY fast and and switching back to axe would reset the cooldown
I've been loving you videos, but I would love to see some more originals. You have the personality to hold up you own stuff.
1.8 and 1.9 is different! 1.8 pvp, when u jump u get comboed by the enemy more, so in the 1.8 duels no one was jumping. In 1.9, it doesnt matter how high you are, as long as you land the hit while falling at the right time with the right axe charge ( you cant spam )
The advantage about jumping is when youre on even ground you can just jump crit without worrying of the height disadvantage. When your opponent is higher than you, you dont have to jump crit because youre hitting your opponent more if youre lower
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you get crit when you hit while descending, it doesn't matter if you're higher or not.
omg techno's humour goes right above your head :D you got so serious about a crafting table
In raw PVP battles it is definitely better to be as low as possible but in Minecraft in general and in different types of PVP games having a higher height advantage can be a huge thing for sure. You mostly see this in games where you can build like say Bedwars and Skywars because being higher than your opponent means that they have to build up to you where you can easily just knock them down and if they decide to stay on the ground that means you can have the jump on them at any point.