There’s No Such Thing as Liberal Art
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Absolutely right. Liberals, well before Disney's cultural takeover, claimed art as their own. A few viciously turned on me when they learned I was religious.
It's a total misconception to say it's art because it's new. Experimentation has its place art history, but not at the expense of the art form itself.
Thanks for the shout out!
No problem, SE. And Thank you.
"Conservatives don't create art" is an outright lie and a misunderstanding on WHO is actually creating art.
Conservatives don't go around shouting "I'M A CONSERVATIVE" because they don't want to get Mel Gibson-ed by the "Tolerant Left™" so they quietly keep on working and creating art while the left goes around patting themselves on the back about how tolerant they are.
You can be politically a liberal and create great art. However, you cannot create "liberal art" in a way of no following any rules. The DaDaists tried and there was a summer when DaDaism was trendy, but it didn't last for long and today it is seen only as a curious incident. Creation of art is perse a conservative thing. It needs knowledge and discipline. What it doesn't need is the Artists political bias. This doesn't mean that an Artist is not to be allowed to have poilitical opinions. But the best art is made in a way that you don't even think about the political opinions of the Artist.
I can recall brilliant art by both liberals and conservatives. No one has a monopoly of art. It's subjective to the individual.
It's only when an agenda is pushed that it becomes less than art, whatever the political alignment.
I agree with you fully, however the thing is that the "art academia" in a postmodern fashion never moved after DaDaism, in a sense we could say that if DaDaism made an original joke and it was funny the first 3 times around, academia tried to keep it cool and kept going "isn't this funny? oh c'mon it is funny right? you laughing yet?".
And a joke repeated too much starts being annoying very quickly
In a sense we could say that "postmodernism" never moved to the "post" part of the term, failing to create new trends and being doomed to repeating the ones of modernism in a circle-jerk perpetuity
@@christianacquasanta1472 Post modernism is a cult of citates and meta commentary without originality at all.
@@AfroGaz71 hey look someone who didn't read the comment!
Evil cannot create anything, it can only corrupt and destroy what came before by the forces of good.
Evil is subjective to the individual.
Evil can create lies.
@@HenriFaust evil can also divide and conqueor.
@@AfroGaz71 Moral relativism logically reduces to moral nihilism, so why don't you just admit that you don't believe in morality like Giga Chad, Max Stirner?
@@HenriFaust moral relativism exists. You engage in it through your beliefs and society. It's a fallacy to believe that means those morals are irrelevant as they evolve, as they help shape who we are.
Also, "Why don't you just admit" is the argument of a child.
They don't know their left hand from their right.
The quote you tried to remember is by Saint Augustine: "The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Aside from that. This is one of the best videos you have done in awhile.
"Art is man's feeble attempt to honor God".
You'll never paint a better sunset than the one in the sky. Artists just want to share the religious shiver and hair tingling madness experienced when walking through the Creation. "Look! Look! I have to share this moment because it's just so beautiful and overwhelming and mysterious and I'm going to explode from sheer passion if I must bear it alone. (Real) painters and writers are basically jumping up and down, crying, "See?? Do you SEE???"
Why not seeing things for ourselves then?
What is the point of hyper realism?
Soviet & NS art were stark and bare. Were for "power".
Thank you as always for the beautiful videos. It’s a great motivational way to start the morning. The Crom comic is going to be great!
Yes your tolkien quote is so true. Coincidentally I've been watching the Peter Jackson LOTR movie trilogy again. It may be my way of taking a break from all the dark fantasy stuff. (and the destruction of Star Wars by Disney)
Reading the old novels has been my way of taking a break from all of that garbage. Thrawn (the original version) and X-Wing still slap.
@@krinkrin5982 Elon Musk should just tell Disney to sell off Star Wars to him. Disney tried hard to turn it into this girl power franchise but it's not working. Girl fans prefer the boy power patriarchy version. The people currently working on star wars hate it. We need rich nerds to save SW. It is our modern mythology as Doomcock put it. (not just part of pop culture) George has stated himself 'It's not my Star Wars' so it's officially seen as fan fiction by its creator. If people liked those sequel trilogy movies they can still go back to watch them. Just that they NEED to be erased from canon to fix star wars. A petition should be made for the government to force Disney to sell it in order to protect the entertainment industry and the jobs of those working in it.
I write fan fiction and I follow the rules of the universe of that world.
It makes me happy when readers would say that they didn't think of that but it makes so much sense.
I do the same. I also deeply dislike fanfiction authors who break the rules of the universe and/or force current day politics and ideologies into their fanfiction.
I am a conservative and I like to think of myself as a creative person, I still need to get better and understanding my own art but I like to try to get better. Also my strong side is my creativity of unique and scary monsters
I think conservatives can create good art.
I prefer the right wing characters like Batman (spends his capitalist money to keep his community safe), The Punisher (he uses guns as super power), Conan (speaks with actions more than words) etc. People that are unapologetically psycho, violent, and savage. The radical left howwever seem to do good crime fiction. (those mob bosses are their heroes. Perhaps they are the very people funding the comics they make through money laundering. :P )
POB point of beviewin. Who is the "protagonist" or, rather, the subject of the tale? Is it a criminal procedural tale, a detective procedural tale, a victim's beviewin, or a polices' procedural tale?
Itaglian Job a criminal procedural tale, for instance. Some commenter with an Asian name called the criminaux "the good guys" in his comment.
After they damaged a bridge, cause cessation of flowin of traffic, most likely injured or killed the driver of the armored car -- yet the commenter referred to them as "the good guys" because the tale was from their point of beviewin, not because they were good.
It is a trick, and there are too many stupid, gullible folks -- all of them are George McFlys. "Don't be so gullible.".
When you say Liberal, you might be better served using the term Communist or Marxist.
It may help avoid confusion over semantics and linguistics.
Socialist. To include all the forms of modern Evil, including Islam, Fascism, National Socialism, and Feminism.
He briefly mentioned that there's a distinction between what we now call liberal and what was the old definition of liberal, which is the liberty to do what is right. I think we need to be more specific with out terms to show that these two are not the same; the more modern incarnation are very much based on Haegel and Whig history and using state power to reshape society, rather than looking back in history to prevent tyranny and abuse of power.
He used centuries old definition for the word art I think we are well past that point
The Left is not Liberal. They haven't been since the 1980's.
There's no confusion.
Lions versus hyenas.
Lions - patriarchy, hyenas - matriarchy.
Leo versus Aquarius.
Mankind versus subversion..
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one, of the easiest media to be corrupted.
POB point of beviewin. Who is the "protagonist" or, rather, the subject of the tale? Is it a criminal procedural tale, a detective procedural tale, a victim's beviewin, or a polices' procedural tale?
Itaglian Job a criminal procedural tale, for instance. Some commenter with an Asian name called the criminaux "the good guys" in his comment.
After they damaged a bridge, cause cessation of flowin of traffic, most likely injured or killed the driver of the armored car -- yet the commenter referred to them as "the good guys" because the tale was from their point of beviewin, not because they were good.
It is a trick, and there are too many stupid, gullible folks -- all of them are George McFlys. "Don't be so gullible."
Rocking a boat is fun until it tips over and people remember they can't swim.
6:48 Every time you say, "Good ship," the immediate thought in my head is "Lollipop."
"That was real? I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit."
A couple of thoughts, it seems like whenever anyone puts ideal messages (whether it be conservativve, christian, or leftest) into movies, the art suffers. Part of this is that the realism breaks down in the ideal. Meaning there is a gap between the ideal and the practical. I think as humans we engage with the practical. To get those to balance where you get the strongest message is difficult. When I say "realism" I am using it like RJ where Tolkein for instance, the struggles are recognizable and universal. So the ideal message (religious allegories) is buried in the practical struggles.
I don’t think the hero’s journey is this exclusive thing only conservatives can grasp !
It rhymes with truth
Good stuff
This is a tricky one... partly because I don't think RJ is saying what some people here assume he's saying. I might be wrong, but I don't think he's saying that "Liberals" cannot create art. What I believe he's saying is that "Liberal Philosophical Principles cannot be used to create Art."
In other words, "Modern Art" consisting of blotches of muddled colors or a banana duct taped to a wall, is for the most part NOT Art.
If that's what he's saying, then I completely agree, if it's not... then someone else will have to explain what he's talking about to me.
As far as "Liberals" creating Art, it is simply a bitter pill I have had to learn to swallow that 99% of all the entertainment, books, movies, music et cetera, were all created by people who supported, believed in Leftist principles and all would hate me just for existing.
Talent falls on who it falls upon and for the most part, the Talent for Art falls upon the Left. That is just the way it is.
Where it gets tricky, on this subject of "Liberal Art" that RJ does not discuss is that, yes, a Good story uses tried and tested principles and structures rooted in Rationality & Reality... However, a story can be built upon all those principles and still be used to sell Lies, things not rooted in reality and Evil.
It's not even particularly hard. All you have to do is show the people you want the audience to sympathize with practicing Virtues and the people you want to be unsympathetic practicing Vice.
Hollywood has been doing this for years. Want people to sympathize with an Assassin? A person who takes money to commit murder (possibly even of women & children?). Give them a puppy. Want the audience to have No Sympathy for all the lives ended by said assassin? Kill the puppy.
You want people to hate Christians? ALWAYS show Serial Killers & Domestic Terrorists quoting the Bible.
Always show Muslims acting saintly and Americans acting bigoted.
Always show your villains standing in front of an American flag, listening to patriotic music and quoting the Constitution.
It doesn't matter if any of that "represents reality" or not to the audience, if it's "Historically Accurate" or if it's just all lies, if the emotional manipulation is pleasing enough, they will accept it.
One can complain all one wants about how hypocritical they are, "You don't even believe in Eternal Transcendent Virtues, how dare you use those Virtues to sell your blatant ideological lies."
They. Don't. Care.
They don't care that they don't believe it. They don't care that they are stealing it. They don't care that they are incoherent. They don't care that you care.
They only care that they win and you lose.
Anyway, is there such a thing as "Liberal Art"? I suspect there is, even if all it is co-opting Traditional Storytelling.
What I need convincing of is that such a thing as "Traditional Storytelling" or even "Conservative Art" exists, because I don't think it does.
Yes, Tolkien is "Conservative." Tolkien also wasn't a professional Author. He was essentially a hobbyist who dabbled in the professional field. Him and C.S. Lewis are outliers.
All the rest of the Arts belong to the Liberals, no matter what label you attach to it.
If you want a character to be sympathetic, make them a female. Whether they deserve it or not, they'll get it.
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Hey Carl Benjamin gave you a shoutout on Tim Pool’s show.
I’ll just fire back and say “Liberal” art can exist on a competent level as it approaches the more abstract, emotional, expressive, and interpretive tenets of Progressivism that relate to victimhood and suffering, detached and subverted though they may be.
You will see this in “Fine” art circles, or as influences on more concrete sub-reality art disciplines like illustration (Skilled Impressionism comes to mind).
"Hey, R.J.!!!!"
- Weird Al in UHF
I'd interpret your video in a personal way. Art is putting in a material form what you received from reality. It has to submit to the rules reigning on and in reality. Art is a person receiving reality outside the infamous social construct and passing it further. A liberal, imo, lives in a social construct that he considers being reality. The only thing he can pass further is his subjectivity. It's way smaller than reality, the thing beyond the social construct.
It's fanfiction 🤭
Marvel would've been eroded with "leftist ideals" (like the ruination and strong grip "they" have now) few decades before. If it wasn't for the timely intervening from the board & management's like Jim Shooter and few others, who kept a tight leash on certain top creators.
Coz creator's like Shooter understood the definition of based storytelling with many genres for our entertainment & escapism, that always conveyed traditionally righteous morals & ethics via objective realism as a cohesive narrative.
The art form itself has been part of our cultural zeitgeist through the globe.
Since the Paleolithic era, we learnt by passing our knowledgeable achievements & experience, but most of all....morality to the next-generation through the linguistic art form by putting chalk to the cave wall.
But, when creating the art form for storytelling visual medium of many genres. It should always convey the traditional heroism via morals & ethics by keeping the fundamental based principles of objective realism. And not contorte the fundamentals of based storytelling(that has been for thousands of years). Which these obtuse "leftist idialogs" has been trying to subvert the latter plus the cultural mindset, and especially change the narrative for their idiosyncratic ideals that be detriment to the false notion of "liberalism" and their ignorance for denial of reality......that's why their art always contorts to bleak ugliness and its discrepancies for illogical fallacies.
RJ, your rebbutal and comebacks are so genuinely rigorous, plus precisely on point.........you can't buy class! Hats off to You!
You Aced it......👑!
Keep your witts about RJ and bless!🙏
Still calling them "liberals"?
So I'm 7 minutes in and art is just being defined. Liberal and conservative have not been defined.
Also i disagree with the premise, liberals can create art and you are consuming liberal art as you read this message if you use liberal in the sense of the same era you define art by. If you define art according to Aristotle but define liberalism according to weird angsty kid and not the adult from 100 years ago then yes, you will conveniently be able to take jabs and claim that I, as a liberal, cannot make art. You can even argue that I am not human and deserve no human rights if you twist it enough which I suspect is the goal when the title of the video takes a back seat in being defined because you want to use Tolkien as a cudgel.
Edit: he finally gets into it 17 minutes in lol.
Also an exception. Liberal art, by your definition, can be the creation of a means of liberation. Here is some art for you. It's a meta-prank.
"If you want to know if someone is a liberal ask them what a person is worth. A liberal will try" the goal here is to get a person to perform the act of observing others, it creates a process and asks them to look for something. Or if you need something real I could build you a fancy scale that tells you a story but that would be less exciting art lol.
I feel that tolkien's work has something wrong, I feel it inspires the wrong things to lost people.
That's ubiquitous. Lost people will look at Great Art and frequently be inspired the wrong way. The same folks that look at Frodo and Sam's relationship in Lord of the Rings and claim Tolkien's work was thoroughly gay will look at Michelangelo's Pieta and think it's about incest or use Bethoven's Fifth as background music for a porn film.
The power of art is that, sometimes, it can break through all the muck, the walls, the confusion, and sin blinding them to Reality and inspire a lost person to find a path back.
@@liljenborg2517 Thanks, this makes me feel better. 🤝
Under your definition of art, there is no journalist who isn't an artist. This is a silly definition that does not hold and I'm glad it was changed hundreds of years ago, you should not be using this definition.
You like the banana taped to the wall.
@@SoundEngraver I’m not even going to disagree I’m just going to ask for your point
Language is an art
Even under the modern definition, they are an 'artist'.
@@chrisbaker8533 there are some journalists who absolutely count as artists in the modern day. My charge was there under his definition of art, there does not exist at all any journalist who doesn’t qualify as an artist. If a journalist exclusively writes in poem, I don’t mind calling them an artist. That being said, I don’t hold that most journalists read are inherently artists while his definition of art forces him in that corner
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Yeah, but how come so much conservative art is dry, cringy propoganda?
Because they make it about conservatism or religion instead of focusing on making a masterpiece.
One of the problems is that art by conservatives (which is a different thing than "conservative art") is made by people who are approaching art the same way many liberals do because that's just "how it's done these days". Too often they say to themselves, "I'm going to make a show just like Star Trek Discovery, but everywhere STD is preaching 'progressivism', I'm going to cram in 'conservative' messaging."
@@liljenborg2517 Very true.
jeez, you're the epitome of ignorance! the term "LIBERAL ARTS" has, literally, NOTHING to do with politics!
Found the Liberal Artist defending his politics.
Clearly didn't watch the video he's talking about Liberal as in leftist and art as in well art, not the liberal arts field of studies. Also several liberal arts as in the fields of study are absolutely political and it's ignorant or worse disingenuous to claim otherwise, for pity's sake one of them is literally called "political science."
If you believe that you've probably been brainwashed by the liberal arts department.
I only wish politics had nothing to do with art.