Yet apparently the radar proximity and replay mode revisions was high up on y'all suggestions hub lists...so that's kind of the communities fault tbch 🤷♂️ lol
@@chrisnorrell7489 Never said that... all my point was trying to make is Turn 10 simply listened to the community for once and went off of what y'all recommended|suggested on the hub list. If the community doesn't like that then it's literally up to them to change it and collectively vote differently....even Turn 10 requested feedback for such. 🤷♂️
This game is on update 10. Still no drifting, still no drag racing, game still crashes for no reason, geting penalty when its not even your fault, no new actual tracks added to this game since launch and the Ferrari wing. What is Turn 10 actually doing with this game 💀
Honestly i hope they don’t make horizon 6 on this engine id still probably play it but it won’t be the same on a good note the graphics are pretty dope
The proximity radar is a nice addition. Gran Turismo 7 has blind spot indicator in addition to proximity radar in the Multifunction Display (MFD) but you cannot customize where you can place the proximity radar as it’s only on the MFD. Nice work by the developers to allow custom placement options for the proximity radar.
arent really custom since they are on 3 spots wich arent even that great. the MFD radar is really not bad since you normally never need anything else unless its fuel map wich isnt used a lot.
I don’t know if they have changed it in GT7, I havent played it yet, but in GT Sport, I liked the proximity radar the way it was implemented. And the fact that you could turn it on and off while driving. No need to pause the game.
In career mode the class series now the practice laps abruptly end after you finish the set amount of laps. Literally, the screen goes black when cross the start finish line and you are back in the pits. You can't even see what your lap time was. You used to be able to keep lapping for 10 minutes. Why did this get changed? It was fine. It was a good was to increase your car level doing an extra lap or 2 and occasionally I didn't beat the lap time for the goal and would continue to get that. Makes no sense to change this.
Almost all of the updates has been truly lackluster and not fixed the biggest issue fm has, I lost hope for it months ago, i have not bought it, but i was waiting for it to come around, and as things going sadly its never will happen, At least gt7 have good update coming up that caught my attention, my bet is that fh5 will get a pretty good update as well, both gt7 and fh5 has carried the racing game genres the latest years, fm is sadly not part of that.
This is the third time in under a year of monthly updates that this game hasn't had a track. The first time was while they were fixing their garbage upgrade system that everybody told them would be a problem but they ignored. The second time was while they were fixing the FMR and AI, which both still have massive issues btw. This is the third time. And for what? A low budget proximity radar that makes the ones in GT7 and ACC look like they were designed by NASA? What else did they add? Oh yeah, a replay suite of tools that looks worse than what was available in Gran Turismo 3 damn near 25 years ago. 3 months. No Monza, no Bathhurst, no Red Bull Ring, no Sepang, no Interlagos, no COTA, no Road Atlanta. No original track ideas to break up the monotony of looking at racing circuits. No rally. No drift. No drag racing. Instead it's been month after month of fixing their Beta release and month after month of FOMO series that disappear after 4-6 weeks in a game where the career mode is already devoid of content. This game sucks.
There's also the Logitech G and Mobil 1 racing suits in this months update. This week can get Logitech G suit, and once Maple Valley rolls around, can get Mobil 1 suit. Both in rivals ofc.
I drive nascar on this game and since the published update 10. We can no longer pack race as the lag will make 8 out of 10 drivers lag and cause wrecks. So my league is at a standstill until they fix the issue which will probably be update 11 which sucks cause we’ve been on the same season since march😢
The problem these developers and companies have, is by the time they release a game half baked and add the standard basic features in later... nobody cares and the audience has moved on. I really wanted to buy this game, too slow for radar, no triple support, no vr, buggy as hell, can't get replays right. Unfortunately loss of interest.
The fix : **You can now save your replays with no problem** The game after nick saved his replay con camera : **Sorry bro, no replays saved** Yeah, truly fixed...
Yes like just muffler sound in the cabin and not that dumb transmission whine Do should be able to bled the two together so if you want mostly exhaust sound you can set that
Just to let you know for the fps shift time bug and how it has been fixed (it actually is confirmed to be completely patched), techically, lower fps shift times are now faster. which means the leaderboards dont need to be reset. For the competitive community, and imo, this is the biggest part of the update, at least for the comp community that care about competitive integrity
How do you remove 300 cars from the last game and then not have the idea too just randomly re add them In between updates and then ad a large chunk like 10+ of them at once when a update comes out And why would they remove the old tracks to add them back later , a logical person would have left them in the game and when the updated version is ready , replace the old one then do a update around that track as a theme 90% of the story mode content is gone because FOMO And for some reason a car is behind a month long time wall , why even show me the Mercedes if I can’t even unlock it
The cockpit view should be so much better so you can see more it's been the same since cockpit views began it's now 2024 and haven't redeveloped it at all to make it more realistic.
Radar is definitely a great addition to this game. Not tuened it on sice getting the update but will give it a go when i get 5 minutes to play a game 😂😂 great to see turn 10 still updating things. Yes would like more tracks and more modes especially in MP and SP. Im kind if hoping we get a road map at some pont but i doubt we will see that.
They Still got a lot of catching up to do to at least get to the point where we have everything the devs advertised at launch(drifting/drag racing) then they need to add all the fan favourite cars from horizon. Yaris,Nissan stagea, ford lightning, GMC typhoon/ cyclone(at least all the cars that were well received by the community) they need to get their original ideas for the DLC content for this game they have a lot to work on
I stuck with the game for 1000 hours as I believed in it, the foundation is there. After update 9 I abandoned it due to performance issues on a 2060super, game ran fine before then at 100 fps. Now im getting 60 after reducing graphics settings even more. Came back to check out update 10, they removed GT and nerfed the lateral g's for every gt car in the new gt2 series. Forza was slippy before, update 10 made it even worse.
You do know that there’s fov sliders for the different cameras I haven’t had a single problem seeing cars in my mirrors or out the windows it’s not rocket science not saying it’s not a nice quality of life just saying it’s kinda obsolete after you increase your fov to see more lol
the radar shouldve been there since launch. its one of the most usefull and needed thing for a race sim. even tho its a thing now. it looks horrible. just 2d boxes arent bad but they look low quality even tho its a 2d image wich is impressive to do. the placements is kinda ass too, i think i can speak for some people. i like having my map so i can see how far people are infront, like on what corner they are. having the map dissapear fully is not it.
So why does my fps report it as 90s-120s if it’s limited to 60 and that’s the in game fps counter …. Another broken thing ? Did I read somewhere that they are adding multi class races at some point ? Or was I tripping?
LMAOOOOOO they made the Big Country Labs wing less wide, so now instead of it being a nice super big wide wing which looked good on stock or even with a wide-body on, now it's too skinny even on a stock car and looks stupid as fuck xDDD
I`d honestly say every single update since launch has been leaving something to be desired. I forgave the initial state of the game based on the assumption that fixes and content updates were going to be rolled out quickly, and that we`d be getting drift and drag (among other game modes) soon, but we`re approaching the game`s first aniversary and there still haven`t seen any new game modes, or any new singleplayer content, that isn`t some FOMO crap that I refuse to engage with. It`s a shame too, because for as much as I don`t like how GT7`s menu system is what passes for a career, and for as much as I vastly prefer how Forza motorsport feels on a controller vs GT7, this current Forza Motorsport can`t hope to ever compete with GT7, at the glacial pace they`re rolling out content and bug fixes, not to mention Forza just lacks a certain character.... It`s just really disapoointing
We need to start holding developers to a higher standard they make millions of dollars and there is constantly broken features for years in games they don't bother to go fix and the car proximity thing dose not need to be nearly as big and the only option to combat how big it is is to replace your mini map they could have done it small and right next to the radar or actually at the center top instead of center of the screen
they almost had me excited, added a new customization.. ow...also to the supra... ow i can finally get adjustable rear aero on my widebody supra maybe take off the batmobile hood and the 2 scythe's on the back :D nope added to go along with the other 2 adjustable wings....ah....neat...
Pour les DEV du jeu option a ajouté primordiale réglages du siège en vue Cockpit haut/ bas/ avancer/ reculer pour rendre plus réaliste la position et vue de conduite faite passer Merci
As of writing this, the game is downloading for the first time, for free on game pass. It doesn't seem this game is going to get the development it needs, so I'll try it out, and if it pisses me off enough, I'll uninstall and never look back. Fh5 has been my go-to ever since release. They had a bad start, but it got better with new cars being released, and the creator side of the game is amazing. It is unfortunate that this company owns the racing game market so i cant depend on a new racing game like fh5 but better. Fh6 will probably be another disappointment by missing so much potential, but it's all we will have.
Can we please all start making our voices heard and make Motorsport great again?? They can’t keep getting away with all the lies, false advertising the graphics and drag&drift and how it’s downgraded from fm7 with 30+ multiplayer game modes . It’s the only way they’ll listen 💀
I kind of have no faith in this game anymore. Its not like FH5 where it was a horrible launch but i could see them making an effort to improve, Forza Motorsport just feels entirely disconnected. Not only from its roots but also the fanbase. Playground Games is constantly interacting with the fanbase, whether you like it or find it annoying, but Turn 10 and Forza Motorsport are just quiet. And its a really telling sign that the last like 2 or 3 updates have each added like 1 new feature, 1 new feature that doesn't work as intended and 1 new car. Not to mention things that they promised to fix are still broken (I've been getting screwed over by the penalty system so much recently its insane).
So, still an ongoing mess since 2023. Think I'll be sticking with Kunos and their wares (Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, upcoming Assetto Corsa Evo), that team hasn't taken their customers for a ride, unlike Turn10 and Playground Games.
You know a update is disappointing when the biggest feature in the update is a radar and some big ass spoilers 💀
They did say it was a small update
Yet apparently the radar proximity and replay mode revisions was high up on y'all suggestions hub lists...so that's kind of the communities fault tbch 🤷♂️ lol
@bDz416 how is it the communities fault those things weren't there at launch and should have been
@chrisnorrell7489 to you, I bet everything should've been in the game at launch. You'd also be the same guy to ask, "Why aren't they adding anything?"
@@chrisnorrell7489 Never said that...
all my point was trying to make is Turn 10 simply listened to the community for once and went off of what y'all recommended|suggested on the hub list.
If the community doesn't like that then it's literally up to them to change it and collectively vote differently....even Turn 10 requested feedback for such.
🤷♂️
This game is on update 10. Still no drifting, still no drag racing, game still crashes for no reason, geting penalty when its not even your fault, no new actual tracks added to this game since launch and the Ferrari wing. What is Turn 10 actually doing with this game 💀
I can't even get past the loading screen
I was excited about this game before launch. Then launch happened and I'm all set with this mess.
Honestly i hope they don’t make horizon 6 on this engine id still probably play it but it won’t be the same on a good note the graphics are pretty dope
@ZeroDegreeYT mine crashes everytime I exit a race series. . Has done since update 8. .
Literally the least played game.modes in every racing game.
Without Nick's videos, I would've completely forgotten that this forza exists.
This is certainly... an update 😅 Maybe the next one will be better
Hopefully the next one will be better
You have way too much hope for this game lol
The hopium is kicking in lmaooo
I m not holding my hopes for this game, i doubt much will be changed for the better.
Avarage forza
"Replay Download Succeeded" Those words must haunt his dreams.
The proximity radar is a nice addition. Gran Turismo 7 has blind spot indicator in addition to proximity radar in the Multifunction Display (MFD) but you cannot customize where you can place the proximity radar as it’s only on the MFD. Nice work by the developers to allow custom placement options for the proximity radar.
Whats the difference between blindspot indicator and radar. I know of the GT7 radar (on youtube) but whats the blind spot indicator look like?
arent really custom since they are on 3 spots wich arent even that great. the MFD radar is really not bad since you normally never need anything else unless its fuel map wich isnt used a lot.
I don’t know if they have changed it in GT7, I havent played it yet, but in GT Sport, I liked the proximity radar the way it was implemented. And the fact that you could turn it on and off while driving. No need to pause the game.
The promixity radar in forza is cheap big & clunky
@@zaxzunsounds like you’re coping dawg.
Bruh that is some fm2 level underbody
3:19 I now have a large wing
-Nick 2024
In career mode the class series now the practice laps abruptly end after you finish the set amount of laps. Literally, the screen goes black when cross the start finish line and you are back in the pits. You can't even see what your lap time was. You used to be able to keep lapping for 10 minutes. Why did this get changed? It was fine. It was a good was to increase your car level doing an extra lap or 2 and occasionally I didn't beat the lap time for the goal and would continue to get that. Makes no sense to change this.
Almost all of the updates has been truly lackluster and not fixed the biggest issue fm has,
I lost hope for it months ago, i have not bought it, but i was waiting for it to come around, and as things going sadly its never will happen,
At least gt7 have good update coming up that caught my attention, my bet is that fh5 will get a pretty good update as well, both gt7 and fh5 has carried the racing game genres the latest years, fm is sadly not part of that.
This is the third time in under a year of monthly updates that this game hasn't had a track. The first time was while they were fixing their garbage upgrade system that everybody told them would be a problem but they ignored. The second time was while they were fixing the FMR and AI, which both still have massive issues btw. This is the third time. And for what? A low budget proximity radar that makes the ones in GT7 and ACC look like they were designed by NASA? What else did they add? Oh yeah, a replay suite of tools that looks worse than what was available in Gran Turismo 3 damn near 25 years ago.
3 months. No Monza, no Bathhurst, no Red Bull Ring, no Sepang, no Interlagos, no COTA, no Road Atlanta. No original track ideas to break up the monotony of looking at racing circuits. No rally. No drift. No drag racing. Instead it's been month after month of fixing their Beta release and month after month of FOMO series that disappear after 4-6 weeks in a game where the career mode is already devoid of content.
This game sucks.
Forza Motorsport still have less features than 8 which came out like 7 years ago
There's also the Logitech G and Mobil 1 racing suits in this months update.
This week can get Logitech G suit, and once Maple Valley rolls around, can get Mobil 1 suit.
Both in rivals ofc.
Damn bro every update must be disappointing
theyre all dissapointed except for the good ones
Yeah you were right, ONE CAR!?!
Proximity radar is the biggest W since launch
I drive nascar on this game and since the published update 10. We can no longer pack race as the lag will make 8 out of 10 drivers lag and cause wrecks. So my league is at a standstill until they fix the issue which will probably be update 11 which sucks cause we’ve been on the same season since march😢
The big wings are black in FH5, but painted in FM8.
The problem these developers and companies have, is by the time they release a game half baked and add the standard basic features in later... nobody cares and the audience has moved on.
I really wanted to buy this game, too slow for radar, no triple support, no vr, buggy as hell, can't get replays right.
Unfortunately loss of interest.
Let’s be honest this is The most disappointed Forza Motorsport update we ever had so far
Let’s be more real have they had a single one they could even brag about ? Yahhh…. No didn’t think so
The radar is LAZY. The best one remains to be the red arrows of past titles.
im switching to gt7 fuck motorsport frr
let's be honest, this guy can't write a single sentence that makes even a little bit of sense...
Let's be honest, jacobrev6567 only writes generic comments that literally are what Nick says on the title or thumbnail
i do love the fact you added the nordschleife to multiplayer
Proxim update isnt supposed to be live yet according to the video they brought out
Without Nick, skill issues wouldn't be a thing.
I forgot this game existed
Nik “don’t talk about that one” lol 😂😂😂😂
To be fair, I think it's fine for them to release a feature/fix-only update once in a while.
The fix : **You can now save your replays with no problem**
The game after nick saved his replay con camera : **Sorry bro, no replays saved**
Yeah, truly fixed...
How is the handling tho?
i played Forza Motorsport for a bit but until they add a NASCAR pack or something similar I will spend more time in FH5
Yes like just muffler sound in the cabin and not that dumb transmission whine
Do should be able to bled the two together so if you want mostly exhaust sound you can set that
Just to let you know for the fps shift time bug and how it has been fixed (it actually is confirmed to be completely patched), techically, lower fps shift times are now faster. which means the leaderboards dont need to be reset. For the competitive community, and imo, this is the biggest part of the update, at least for the comp community that care about competitive integrity
How do you remove 300 cars from the last game and then not have the idea too just randomly re add them In between updates and then ad a large chunk like 10+ of them at once when a update comes out
And why would they remove the old tracks to add them back later , a logical person would have left them in the game and when the updated version is ready , replace the old one then do a update around that track as a theme
90% of the story mode content is gone because FOMO
And for some reason a car is behind a month long time wall , why even show me the Mercedes if I can’t even unlock it
I just want them to bring back the class selection for multiplayer.
same. I can't stand being locked into playing shitty A class races when I wanna just play S and R and P
Still waiting for a gt350 sound update…
Yes agreed but hey at least the suspension was fixed 😅
Game still crashes regularly and the penalty system is still broken! It's the only things I want them to fix unfortunately. 😔
Garage Cars/Career offline! Is what I wanted to hear...but there no cap on laps in practice mode
I just want regular cars, thats what I loved about Gran Turismo. I could mod a 1996 mazda mini van if I wanted. This game is basically all super cars.
The cockpit view should be so much better so you can see more it's been the same since cockpit views began it's now 2024 and haven't redeveloped it at all to make it more realistic.
Genuinely why did they release the game this soon if such basic feature are o my just being added and half of them don’t work?
Radar is definitely a great addition to this game. Not tuened it on sice getting the update but will give it a go when i get 5 minutes to play a game 😂😂 great to see turn 10 still updating things. Yes would like more tracks and more modes especially in MP and SP. Im kind if hoping we get a road map at some pont but i doubt we will see that.
Wow they finally separated the gt class after a decade of us wanting that and wow they added features from fm6 and fm7 back to the replays 😱
Every update is either broken or dissapointing? Just asking
They Still got a lot of catching up to do to at least get to the point where we have everything the devs advertised at launch(drifting/drag racing) then they need to add all the fan favourite cars from horizon. Yaris,Nissan stagea, ford lightning, GMC typhoon/ cyclone(at least all the cars that were well received by the community) they need to get their original ideas for the DLC content for this game they have a lot to work on
I stuck with the game for 1000 hours as I believed in it, the foundation is there. After update 9 I abandoned it due to performance issues on a 2060super, game ran fine before then at 100 fps. Now im getting 60 after reducing graphics settings even more. Came back to check out update 10, they removed GT and nerfed the lateral g's for every gt car in the new gt2 series. Forza was slippy before, update 10 made it even worse.
I just hope they get rid of that FOMO bs
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty happy I skipped out on this Motorsport with the way it's going.
04:35
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 3 from Initial D🥰
nick used a yellow evo
*SPAM DAIKKI KASHO - MIRAGE*
Radar is a huge improvement. Game itself still looks buggy, but at least multiplayer will probably be less of a ram fest.
One thing i want .. WHERE TF IS SAO PAULO
You do know that there’s fov sliders for the different cameras I haven’t had a single problem seeing cars in my mirrors or out the windows it’s not rocket science not saying it’s not a nice quality of life just saying it’s kinda obsolete after you increase your fov to see more lol
can you give the e46 double wings like in fh5?
the radar shouldve been there since launch. its one of the most usefull and needed thing for a race sim. even tho its a thing now. it looks horrible. just 2d boxes arent bad but they look low quality even tho its a 2d image wich is impressive to do. the placements is kinda ass too, i think i can speak for some people. i like having my map so i can see how far people are infront, like on what corner they are. having the map dissapear fully is not it.
L update, the wings are awful
So why does my fps report it as 90s-120s if it’s limited to 60 and that’s the in game fps counter …. Another broken thing ?
Did I read somewhere that they are adding multi class races at some point ? Or was I tripping?
LMAOOOOOO they made the Big Country Labs wing less wide, so now instead of it being a nice super big wide wing which looked good on stock or even with a wide-body on, now it's too skinny even on a stock car and looks stupid as fuck xDDD
I`d honestly say every single update since launch has been leaving something to be desired. I forgave the initial state of the game based on the assumption that fixes and content updates were going to be rolled out quickly, and that we`d be getting drift and drag (among other game modes) soon, but we`re approaching the game`s first aniversary and there still haven`t seen any new game modes, or any new singleplayer content, that isn`t some FOMO crap that I refuse to engage with.
It`s a shame too, because for as much as I don`t like how GT7`s menu system is what passes for a career, and for as much as I vastly prefer how Forza motorsport feels on a controller vs GT7, this current Forza Motorsport can`t hope to ever compete with GT7, at the glacial pace they`re rolling out content and bug fixes, not to mention Forza just lacks a certain character.... It`s just really disapoointing
Center top for the win
1:40 wow, that UI is.... a choice.
We need to start holding developers to a higher standard they make millions of dollars and there is constantly broken features for years in games they don't bother to go fix and the car proximity thing dose not need to be nearly as big and the only option to combat how big it is is to replace your mini map they could have done it small and right next to the radar or actually at the center top instead of center of the screen
they almost had me excited, added a new customization.. ow...also to the supra... ow i can finally get adjustable rear aero on my widebody supra maybe take off the batmobile hood and the 2 scythe's on the back :D nope added to go along with the other 2 adjustable wings....ah....neat...
The best thing definitely has to be the evo3
Not the radar
That covers the map
love the vids keep dropping bangers
The game still wont save my campaign progress. I am stuck in a loop doing the first tournament. Its only been a problem since launch
Same thing here… thought I was the only one.. 🤣
I dunno why, different from Forza Horizon 5, the BCL wing is tall, but short. Looks a bit weird TBH
Proximity radar is new for this while grandturismo already had a similar thing since day 1 😅😅😅
Pour les DEV du jeu option a ajouté primordiale réglages du siège en vue Cockpit haut/ bas/ avancer/ reculer pour rendre plus réaliste la position et vue de conduite faite passer Merci
Well it's been disappointing since they haven't put drifting back in the game with an online lobby.
As of writing this, the game is downloading for the first time, for free on game pass. It doesn't seem this game is going to get the development it needs, so I'll try it out, and if it pisses me off enough, I'll uninstall and never look back. Fh5 has been my go-to ever since release. They had a bad start, but it got better with new cars being released, and the creator side of the game is amazing. It is unfortunate that this company owns the racing game market so i cant depend on a new racing game like fh5 but better. Fh6 will probably be another disappointment by missing so much potential, but it's all we will have.
I did drive the evo 3 its nice.
But in yellow the wells are painted
One day one day the areo wings will go.
Could they bring radar on Forza Horizon 5?
Can we please all start making our voices heard and make Motorsport great again?? They can’t keep getting away with all the lies, false advertising the graphics and drag&drift and how it’s downgraded from fm7 with 30+ multiplayer game modes . It’s the only way they’ll listen 💀
Forza finally added a feature that has been in a Nissan versa for 5 years
2:23 they should put an raidar in there like gt5 :/
FH5 is carrying the Forza franchise
It would be disappointing if you havent waited 5 years for a better proximity radar
Meanwhile FH6 is yet to be even mentioned 😢
Anyone who likes to do pvp racing will apperciate this update. But it really doesn't cover any basis for the general game population.
I kind of have no faith in this game anymore. Its not like FH5 where it was a horrible launch but i could see them making an effort to improve, Forza Motorsport just feels entirely disconnected. Not only from its roots but also the fanbase. Playground Games is constantly interacting with the fanbase, whether you like it or find it annoying, but Turn 10 and Forza Motorsport are just quiet. And its a really telling sign that the last like 2 or 3 updates have each added like 1 new feature, 1 new feature that doesn't work as intended and 1 new car. Not to mention things that they promised to fix are still broken (I've been getting screwed over by the penalty system so much recently its insane).
So, still an ongoing mess since 2023. Think I'll be sticking with Kunos and their wares (Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, upcoming Assetto Corsa Evo), that team hasn't taken their customers for a ride, unlike Turn10 and Playground Games.
The radar looks like it was made in microsoft paint.
As updates go that was one.
I just wanna see the evo 3 in fh5
Still waiting for fm7 online style games
This is definitely an update of all time
3:34 tbh people would definitely (no not probably) say that forza is copying gt 💀
anybody else get terrible performance at the nordschleife in online lobbies? Runs fine offline but unplayable online for some reason
You should do a rally car race, but with the 1965 peel trident
Mr Sir welcome to the skill issue
lol the NEW CARS segment =1 Mitsubishi😅
That bcl on the gtr is wayy too narrow
And replays still don't save 🙄
I can't tell either what's new what's old lol
I’m begging they add newer f1 cars at some point
They need to add the evo 3 to fh5 🙏🙏🙏
That’s the ugliest looking radar i’ve seen in my life. Nothing tops GT7’s radar
T10 really should be ashamed of themselves... but they're probably not
Rare nick W wiith alot of skill issues
Ngl the radar from Gran Turismo is wayy better
Its crazy how much a trainwreck this game is. Start over and build from scratch, seriously
Yay can't wait to look away from the road to see where everyone else is like I did before