2017 SEAT Toledo 1.0 TSi Xcellence Goes for a Drive
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- The biggest small car you've never seen is a sensible used buy.
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I had a 2003 Toledo with the 110bhp 1.9TDi engine--best car I've ever owned by a country mile, and I still regret getting rid of it in 2010. Especially since I checked it out on the government's MoT checking site and it passed its MoT in March 2019 with 181,000 miles on the clock!
That's the best older VW diesel engine out of the lot.
I traded my 2002 Toledo 1.9 TDI 110bhp for a VW Passat 1.9TDI 130bhp SE 2003 which was based on the Audi A4. Sold it 2010 &I still miss it.
I depressed my clutch, once. I told it that I preferred automatics.
My ancient old brain would never buy a car with a 1.0 engine as it screams 'that's not enough CCs'. That being said, I have driven the 1.6 diesel DSG version and it was great to drive. I do approve of the looks too....
I have a car with even less CCs (900cc turbo), and it's surprising how much low-end torque it has. Sure, you notice it a bit when climbing steep hills, but no more so than, say, 1.4 litre petrol cars I've had in the past.
@@d2factotum my aygo 1.0 (non turbo) has more hp and torque than my 1.3i fiesta did, plus its probably lighter
Last July I got myself a 2017 1.0 TSI Xcellence in a lovely blue. I love it.
It sometimes gets a few "what the hell is that SEAT?" looks too. Love its rarity factor and in this top spec with those lights at the front, it is a handsome car IMO!
My dad ran a 1999 Mk2 2.3 V5 Toledo and it was night and day different to this one. The only similarity I can see is the half leather half alcantara seats.
His was very much sold as the youthful performance variant of VAG, with firmer suspension and just a hint of Alfa 156 about it.
I had the 1.4 tdi rapid has a hire car on holiday in Ireland about 2 years ago. I actually quite liked it, even the engine which reminded me of my Granny's old 3 cylinder diesel Massey Ferguson 35 (which she owned for 58 years).
That actually sounds like a lot of fun! Hmm Toledo or MF....MF it is!
@@furiousdriving love that em tractor.
Exeo is the best car I’ve had, an A4 which was already a quality car with all the issues ironed out, but this also does look a quality product
It very much is! It is a shame I won't be able to replace it with another one when my finance agreement runs out in August.
Thank you for sampling the delights of the fourth generation Toledo, sir!
It should be compulsory for all to drive one!
@@furiousdriving, why yes indeed, sir! Everyone should try one once.
Excellent video. Thanks for reviewing a car I might actually consider buying as a daily.
Although some on the Skoda forums say that the 1.0 is not as good an engine as the 1.2 it replaced because it has a very narrow power band.
I’d look for a 1.4 as I need one of my cars to be a manual, and it may as very be a comfy cruiser.
53 Xcellence model for sale, from 8000 to 12000. The last on a 68 plate with delivery mileage.
i made a roadtrip with that car(mine is 2018 1.0 TSI) and i was sleeping on the car for 1 week. i have had the car for 2 years and it almost has 60000 miles on the clock and no problem at all. nothing but a big smile when i drive it.
1:02 I noticed it in another video. "Czechoslovakia" hasn't existed since the the 31st December 1992! I think you mean "Czech plant". Its the Czech Republic and Slovakia now (and when I say now, I mean since 1st January 1993). In fact even the Czech Republic is supposed to be called Czechia as its informal name these days!
They really need to update geology books in UK, I deal with that all the time 😂
@@miroslavsoucek5846 I am sorry! I promise you that the vast majority of people do know...apart from my dad who is 80 who has said "Czechoslovakia" when he has talked about a Czech beer. I always correct him!.
Well this is a surprise. I own a petrol Seat Toledo and always considered it a pretty rare beast (Albeit mine is the previous gen 1.2tsi 110bhp engine) so never expected to see it reviewed on this channel. Loving that it has been though. There is a lot to like about this car. It does all the sensible stuff so well. I love all the kit (so much more than the equivalent Skoda Rapid for the money), the size and the comfort trading up from a MK2 Fabia but I agree it isn't sporty. Needs some throttlework to get the best of the handling. Plus I'm lucky enough to have a 98 Mini Cooper if I need some fun hooning round corners. The small cup holder in the front I have found to be perfect for one of those pots of chewing gum that are sold in petrol stations so that is something. Only real annoyance is having to take everything out of the glovebox to use the CD player (ironically usually all the CDs). Really enjoyed this review. Please keep up the good work. Would love to see a Hyundai Atoz make it on
Well, if you like reviews of my Toledo, then I have one on my channel, and then Planet Auto did one on theirs as well! I sourced a car with the same engine as yours for a client about 18 months ago, and they seemed pretty happy with it as well. That CD player in the glovebox is incredibly annoying, isn't it?
Hi Matt,nice review on the Seat Toledo,I remember the old shape version of this on the video,but this one looks sleek,alot of kit for the money,a CD player and a spare wheel you don't see no more is ideal.bad thing just having a tyre repair kit in the car nowadays.
In it for R4 praise! My favourite radio station!
I think these are also loosely related to the current Jetta, had one of those a number of years ago and that's actually a pretty decent vehicle!
Rapid & Toledo were actually based on two platforms - the front half is Polo as stated, but the rear is from the Mexican built Jetta, hence the wider rear track and massive boot. Highly underrated cars. See if you can find one of the previous generation Toledos, the wedge booted version of the Altea.
Those Mark 3s are very, very rare! The decision to make that generation of Toledo didn't exactly go well for Seat, did it?
Headlight switch is pull once for front fogs and twice for rear fogs, front is on aswell when rear is on.
I hate touch screens in cars - bloody dangerous idea.
Always weird to me how it was illegal to type something on a phone but do it on a dash mounted screen and its fine
MrBD Absolutely - it is just copying Tesla and cost reductions.
I think the biggest issue is in RHD markets - most of us are right handed so trying to navigate a touch screen with the "wrong" hand whilst being jiggled about on the move demands far too much diversion of concentration.
Darren Wilson Never thought of that Darren and so true. I am actually left handed so less of an issue for me but my wife (who is right handed) agrees with you. Very unnatural for Paula as the screen is on the wrong side.
This was discontinued in 2018, but being replaced by a new leon , which is similar to the skoda skala, all based on VW mechanicals but far less in price, looks good, but have my doubts about a turbo charged 1 litre
I'd love a first gen one of these, they were a hoot to drive.
I really liked the mark 1 Toledo, a kind of regurgitated VW Jetta with a notchback. It got slated for having 'upturned basin looks' at the time by one of the car magazines (What Car? I think) but it looked different to other family sized cars on the market. Plus they had 8v and 16v engines from the Golf GTi.
Can’t go wrong with a Seat. Myself and anyone I know who has owned one has not had a problem 😁
True that👍
Nice, practical motoring. Have always liked the Skoda 'Rapid' version. Good review, thanks Matt.
"The Czechoslovakian plant" - Czechoslovakia was dissolved peacefully into the Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993.
And Ive been to Slovakia too
Rebadged Skoda Rapid. A stop-gap model built from low end VW parts. Practical and cheap to buy/run but far from perfect. Ran one for 150k miles over 5 years. Good on diesel but the DSG box was too hesistant at junctions and the rear doors would fill up with water when it rained. Save up and buy a Leon instead.
Very nice little cars. I wanna thank VAg for their small premium cars. Also, with regards to what you said at 12:00, I agree. My 2010 Audi A3 is exactly the same with the stupid armrest which blocks the handbrake and you it leaves my arm too high to change gear without getting RSI so it stays folded up all the time. And it's not that adjustable, you can only make it go up and down. Furthermore, it has only 1 proper cup holder! The other cup holder is probably for espresso cups or 250ml drinks cans for energy drinks or small cans of coca cola!
I am waiting your review of the other low cost blender engined car: Dacia Sandero/Sandero Stepway 2021 with 1.0 tce.
Love the somewhat quirky review. Welcome change from the regular car reviews
I thought you only uploaded videos of old cars 😪
Ive been planning to do 'Modern Mondays' but there was a problem with todays video so this as a last minute substitute
I think it's good to give the occasional review of a modern car, after all it's what's around now...well done..
@@furiousdriving Nice! Love modern cars.
Modern Mondays hmm,. Hope you can drive an Aygo , I bought one this year after over 20 years with a. 93 fiesta! Taken a bit of time, it's quiet and does twice the mpg
Comparison test with a Triumph Toledo required next!
...Filmed, in Toledo!
Would love to see you test a mk3 Seat Telado. The one that was based on the Seat Altea. I always hhought they looked good. They had a nice unique look to them. I think it was a car ahead of its time do unfortunately as it did not sell well sadly.
When I think seriously and honestly how much car I really need, this car would probably fit the bill.
However, something is strange about it. It's not just the fact that small saloons are now considered "uncool" and totally out of Fashion. It's also things like the hidden CD player… it's as if they knew their clientele wasn't advanced enough for USB sticks but ashamed to show it.
I'm not really a car fashion victim - I proudly drive a 2001 Saab 9-5 which took me to the first vid I saw of furiousdriving.
So I can handle a saloon car - but this Toledo would make me feel like a retired person looking for something terribly practical and efficient to drive to the shops and occasionally taking the grandkids for a spin.
Small saloons are still cool to those with taste! SUVs may be popular because Mums like them, but it doesn’t make them cool.
I've driven Ford CMax,Focus&Fiesta with their 1.0T engine it seemed to be good acceleration in all car's but I wouldn't consider such a wee engine. I recently hired a Citroën C3 1.0. I also hired an Alhambra 2016 2.0TDI 150 DSG xcellance.
Nice looking car Seat have certainly moved on these last few years.
Great road test and you were in top form with many funny quips. Interesting car not seen in Aus. Cheers.
Great video great review fantastic sense of humor
The location looks very different to your normal driving routes?
I used to have a SEAT Toledo 1.9TDI 110bhp SE 2002 mk2 in red. I traded it in for 2003 VW Passat 1.9TDI 130bhp SE. I kept the Passat for 5 years I loved that car. My Passat had CD player in glovebox.
Your generation 2 picture is a Leon, not a Toledo. @16:10
We didn't get Seat or Skoda in North America
You are not missing much.
@@matt-beale North Americans get cost-reduced entry-level VW models to compensate. I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but it is what it is. :) They also seem to have US suspension tunes (i.e., soft!). So you get a "German" VW that is just benchmarked to the typical American and Japanese competition in North America in terms of fit & finish and ride & handling, but still with the maintenance requirements of a VW. Quite the combo!
Problem I found with this car is if your key batteries die you cant start the car or lock it. Had to get my spare key brought to me so always keep a spare battery for the key in the car
Never knew nuclear reactors were part of an engine bay ... :D. If Seat than Arosa! Please, if you can, I'd request your insight and review of an SDi version. It is old, it is compact .. but it always piqued my interest - and I'd bet it would intrigue you as well.
Bit cold there Matt? I thought Seat stopped manufacturing the Toledo years ago. Can't help but feel a 1.0 engine is too small, but reviews are good. I am concerned with long term longevity of the engines, though. My driving style with those TSI engines is the 3rd gear one. 62mpg from that?! Makes me consider running around with an old PD diesel, that only gets around 65 on a run. Is that engine really enjoyable to live with and drive everyday, though in all conditions and on all types of road?
I have had the car for two and a half years from now and I find it very enjoyable to drive on all types of roads. The steering is over light, as Matt says, but if you don't drive it too enthusiastically, it isn't really a problem. I actually got 74 mpg on a run once, although 60-62 mpg is more of the sort of figure that I frequently get, say on a long motorway run from Hampshire to our filming location the other day. They sold over 1,400 Toledo Xcellence petrols and 16 Toledo Xcellence diesels, especially as the diesel was only a five speed. I went from a 1.7 diesel Chevrolet Cruze to this, and it actually gets better fuel economy. That says it all really!
@@lloydvehicleconsulting It really does. Genuinely impressed. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@SuperFIFTHGEAR, no problem at all! I have multiple ownership reports and a full review on the Toledo on my channel too if that helps. Matt kindly let me drive his Alfa Romeo 145 this week too, which was a lot of fun!
How often do you carry a washing machine in a family saloon? I never understand this "complaint" in reviews. In nearly 40 years of driving I have had boots on cars of various shapes and never had a major problem. Tell you what find a car with no lip like a Zafira and park facing up a slope. Open the boot and stuff can fall out. I have lost several bottles of wine over the years because of this.
Ive only had one Toledo on my drive, it was for a week and a few years ago, and do you know what I had to shift that week? A washing machine. Suddenly all very real work advice!
Like your review buddy
Got yourself a new subscriber
I got a 2017 manual 6 gear, 1.2 tsi 4 cylinder, great car!
I got the same one as you, a week after buying I already have problems with transmission 😢
@@ivankovacevic1910 aw😖 i have had no issues
These 1.0tsi VAG cars with the DSG gearbox genuinely feel much quicker than they are
North American Jetta and Passat are built by Tennessee Hicks
Matt, the picture you showed for the second-generation Toledo wasn't a Toledo, it was a Leon...
I think this is the first petrol one of these I've seen, they're all the diesels around here and they all seem to be rather clunky. Of course, most of them are taxis, so that may not help, though the fact that a neighbour of mine has recently acquired an ex-airport taxi 2010 Skoda Superb estate with 380,000 miles on it which still drives extremely tightly and very quietly rather suggests that build quality isn't the issue and the diesels just are a bit clunky and slightly unrefined...
Hi Jamie, damn, it was on the Toledo page on the press download site!
@@furiousdriving, I noticed that too! Seat are being naughty again...
Facelift Mk4 Toledos are quite rare, but 98 per cent of them are petrols in this specification due to the deal Matt mentioned, which was not offered on the diesel. Pre facelift cars are much more common as diesels, but I also sourced a petrol 1.2 for a client a couple of years ago, so they are clearly around.... Those Skoda diesels do last a long time with proper maintenance, don't they?
@@lloydvehicleconsulting I'm guessing a lot depends on market conditions in certain areas. I haven't seen this age of Toledo in my area that wasn't a taxi, despite having a SEAT dealer with a very good reputation just up the road from me. They just seem to have been very overlooked here. It does rather seem that Skoda diesels are rather more reliable than there more expensive VW or Audi brethren, or their owners are more inclined to take the relevant care of them, though this Superb is remarkably untroubled by having gone to the moon and half-way back...
@@gosportjamie, the Mark 4 Toledo was grossly undermarketed by Seat, and the only full reviews on TH-cam of the facelifted car from mid 2017 onwards I have ever seen are people who have filmed my particular car! Not surprised that you have virtually never seen any around that were not taxis, it is almost as if Seat were ashamed of it in this country... Car Throttle did a series of videos last year on a 1999 Skoda Octavia diesel that had covered 432,000 miles with pretty much just routine maintenance. Absolutely incredible! I can well believe a 2010 Superb is able to accomplish the same feat and more.
My first car was a 2001 Seat Ibiza. The only Seat I have ever owned..
If you think the Toledo is specious you should try the Octavia or even the Leon.
Yes, the Leon ST has even more boot space!
10:05 you can fit a Coke can in the right cup holder, a Redbull can in the left one, and a large Lucozade bottle in the rear cup holder! What are you complaining about ;)
as I dont drink any of those its no good to me!
Why would I not buy a car because one day I might put a washing machine in the boot😂
Ha just thought.... another negative is i might need a car that could fit a full length ladder inside 😄😅
Buy 2, rope them together and take the middle front and rear windows out and you can take the biggest ladder!
The cupholders are for coke and redbull cans obviously :)
The small cup holders could be for bottles.
Too small for regular size bottles!
For energy drink cans using for my toledo.
Practical and lots of gimmicks, but its a shame cars arent simply goodlooking anymore like the first Octavia.. I still like it though 😂
always liked Seat and Skoda cars often better than the snob Audi and VW versions and a lot cheaper!
6:00. LOL
Indigenous tribes 😂I’m dying here 😅found his wife in the door pocket, stop it 😂😂
Having come from the 145 Cloverleaf review, this Toledo 1.0 seems like the anti-Alfa! With the grey paint, dull exterior, dull interior and lacklustre performance and handling, Seat (or Skoda) seem to have set out to make the Toledo as boring as possible. If you have no interest in the aforementioned things, I guess the Toledo would fit the bill nicely. :)
I like mine, 2017 manual 6 gear, 110 hp, ocean blue
Shame they dont make it anymore
You can still get a Skoda Rapid though. Which is almost exactly the same!
@@JohnnyPaton, the Rapid was discontinued at the same time as the Toledo, sadly (they were built in the same factory). You can, however, buy its replacement brand new, which is the Scala. That is very nice indeed...
Lloyd Vehicle Consulting and you’d be totally correct of course. I drive a taxi (Octavia) and was wondering why there was a sudden influx of 69 plate Leons to our rank and no Rapids. Not seen any Scalas yet.
@@JohnnyPaton, yes I love the Octavia too! Probably the reason why you haven't seen so many is that the Octavia and Leon are due for replacement next year, and so the discounts on them are pretty healthy. The Scala is brand new, and the base model actually costs MORE than a base model Octavia at present, but the Octavia has a bit more space. I have reviewed a Leon ST on my channel, and they are brilliant, I must say, and available at good prices, like the Toledo was when I got mine! I did a walkaround on a Scala on my channel during their first week on sale at dealerships, they are rather nice, and a good drive.
Lloyd Vehicle Consulting I’m thinking of changing my Octavia (2015 plate, almost 150k on it) so I might pop up to the Skoda dealers and see what offers there are on a new Octy
Interesting review of an "off the radar" model
There’s a random person sat in the back. He wasn’t there when you showed us the back seats.
That's a very cute car.
P.S. Shame they stopped making it.
If it was automatic and had an electronic parking brake, the armrest would be fine! 👌😂
yes, but then the car would need to crushed instantly! You could keep the armrest as a souvenir..
@@furiousdriving, that armrest is really annoying, isn't it?
They aren't grab handles they're FM handles🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry if I cause any offence with this but; VAG is a big moneypit. as long as it's not particularly dirt cheap to buy, you are gonna regret buying it
The plate says lwi ryk which is Polish for lion’s roar
Nice work,i`d like one,thanks
Quirky little car that has a big boot. Depreciation is a killer though if you bought one with your own money.
The Toledo I have has outlasted all the slagging we attract, funnily enough though, they guys have moved on from their choice of car...
Probably is a good car but why do the VW group have so many models all doing exactly the same thing? Seems a bit confusing. Then, I am a bit old so, there's that!
Nothing new in the world, its BMC all over again but with a bigger range!
There was a man sat in the back seat but we only saw his arm which was a bit spooky!
My arm is clearly spooky...
But there was no one in the car with me.....
Strange crinkled leather creature in the back seat.
A Yeti?
Also a VW group product so could be
When I tune in to this video just to hear you telling off SEAT... BAD SEAT, BAD SEAT, BAD CAR!!!
That is such a stupid design feature to not have automatic headlights and then also make the cluster look like you have your headlights on
Hi well done you keep it up you are doing a great job and having fun making some brilliant videos superstar Ali Walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery
this car is probably more for Eastern Europe market
Very popular in Spain, you see them everywhere around Barcelona
just home brand loyalty in the case of spain
Big car like that with a 1.0l engine must be a real slug!
You saw it in real time - not as bad as you expect but no sports car
Cool Mars bars? Sacrilege!
It Seat like a chair
Its 'Sey-At' - I used to work for them!
and they are sheee-at lol ;)
furiousdriving I got a courtesy car 1.2 TSI believe it had like 120-125bhp and at the time I had a 1.6 TDI Leon remapped to 150bhp 340nm and no lie the Toledo was every bit as quick I heard a rumour 3rd gear would touch 100 🤷🏼♂️
Brian Wells nope
Seat is "Sociedad Española De Automóviles de Turismo".
I disagree: the previous owner hadn't mislayed his wife in the massive door pocket at all.
You mean he put her there deliberately?
@@furiousdriving
I'm not sayin' nuttin
She was at work at the moment we filmed the review and had escaped unscathed....
@@lloydvehicleconsulting
Sorry to hear
Awful disposable engine that won't see 100k. 🤮
Lift back? 😂
If you have DAB go Radio4Extra for comedy and drama
Too true, some good stuff on there. Also some very iffy archive stuff that maybe was better off forgotten
This car made no sense for SEAT to sell.
Jetta maybe
All sedan-shaped cars should be liftbacks. Sedans are useless. Can't put anything in the boot.
Ауто камере Србија / Dash cams Serbia it’s a sahloon car
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Saloon *is* a Sedan...
Im too early
KanoValentine You beat me though!
I would never buy a car with less than 4 cylinders .
No duel zone Poverty spec Rubbish cup holders CD player how quaint Massive discounts good until trade in time when there worthless Handling rubbish Performance poor No give it a miss
Czech plant. Czechoslovakia ceased to exist in 1992.
What a dull Car, with an awful engine. Stick to your roots with the old stuff 👍
You can see the Volkswagen in it especially in the infotainment thing