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Whew... I could not get it on Animated Knots, Your way simplified it and I got first try. I have been tying this Knot, and the Zeppelin for years but got the two flipped. Thanks.
So, looking at the construction of the two, is the Zeppelin two interlocking loops while the Hunters/Riggers is two interlocking overhand knots?!?! Dang, they appear so similar. Anyone have any thoughts on this?! Thanks!!
Zeppelin has no interlock, and mirrored loops. In this case at 0:30 if U make the long working end of the yellow line under/behind the longer working end of the blue line, and finish the knot that way, U become a Zeppelin. Other saying the difference U form two loops and put it together, or form the loop itself together .
Which is better? The Hunter's or Zeppelin bend? I'm proficient in the Zeppelin. Would it be worthwhile learning the Hunter's as well. Great video as always. Your channel is terrific and I'm already subscribed. Greetings form Ireland 🇮🇪
@@paddor that's what I was thinking. In fact I think the Zep is that good is there really a glaring need to know another bend? Although I do like the sheet and double sheet bends.
@@donnellykieranj Apparently the zeppelin bend isn't as reliable if the ropes are of unequal diameter, in which case the double sheet bend is preferable.
Hello. Thank you As i just wanted to remember the best knots(not many as iam not professional) in every catogory.. As far as joining two ropes...i have Square knot, sheet bend and Double fisherman knot in mind. Should i replace this with this one. Is Hunter's bend best compared to Square knot, SHeet knot, Double fisherman knot ? Which ones should i pick ? Thank you < Regards
Short answer: use the reef bend most of the time. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter%27s_bend . The hunter's bend is stronger than the three bends you mentioned. The sheet bend would be easier to tie and untie. I would use the sheet bend 90% of the time. If you want it even safer, you can tie two sheet bends in opposite directions. The added benefit is that if you learn to tie the bowline fast/efficiently, you will automatically know how to tie the sheet bend efficiently too. If you're tying something permanently & don't mind the possibility of having your lines jam together, you can use the double fisherman's - especially if you're dealing with thinner cords. If you want something stronger still, and also don't mind if your lines jam together, and you also don't mind the esthetics of lines exiting at 90degree angles, then you can use this knot (hunter's). But tie it properly with interlocking loops, like wikipedia / ashley's shows. Don't use the reef bend (square knot) unless you really know what you're doing, and are sure that you will not have unexpected side-loading. The reef knot, even when seemingly jammed and secure, can fail catastrophically if a tail is pulled hard in the wrong direction.
I suggest you check Ashley book of knots. It is possible to tie this knot aka Riggers knot with one strand in a different position within the overhand knot. Looks the same but is not stable. Otherwise the Zep or the Alpine Butterfly tied as a knot, but both ends come out the same side for that.
The way this video shows the knot, the two loops are placed in parallel before the tails go through the loops in opposite directions. In another version of the knot, the loops would start off interlocked before the tails go through. I believe I'm describing the proper Hunter bend, this video seems to show a variation.
@@stephanddd Yes! I mean almost every source I've found with Hunters Bend is this version of the knot (the one of the video) but I remember learned travelling with a French friend the version you're describing; loops aren't interlocked and the tail finished facing opposites direction, just as if you see a Hunters bend from above. So you think this variations has a specific name? This is what I've been looking for yeaaaars! jaja
@@macelbayardi8453 First: I made a mistake, I believe this video does show the proper Hunter's bend because the way he placed the loops, they're actually interlocking but it's not very obvious. Next: To my knowledge, the only version where the loops don't cross over and exit in opposite directions is the Zeppelin bend. I can't think of a reason why you'd want to deviate from the Zeppelin, because it's supposed to have excellent characteristics. Frankly, my guess is that you're remembering the Zeppelin, but you were taught to hold it in a different way - like the "9" was upside down so it looked like it was facing the "6", but its the same knot as the Zeppelin. However, if you want to have the tails exit in the same direction, you also have the Alpine Butterfly bend. Kindof like the Alpine Butterfly loop, but imagine if you cut the loop. You also have the Farmer's loop that you could figure out how to tie as a bend. The Alpine Butterfly bend requires the loops to start off crossed over, but I'm uncertain about the Farmer. But both of these have the tails exiting together, so I don't think they're the ones you're referring to.
@@stephanddd thanks a lot bro, I had’nt realized that this video is not the common way of a Hunters Bend (interlocking strands) Its actually the one I was looking for, I found this other video refering to the knot Im looking as Riggers Knot th-cam.com/video/AoKbbe0aeeQ/w-d-xo.html What do you think? I’ve been using Zeppeling Bend, (Normal Interlocking) Hunters Bend, (Now that I know) Riggers Knot and ButterFly Bend for joining together pieces of rope for Highline anchors, where it sees dynamic constant loads up to 7-10kN (the knot tends to tighten a lot). And the one I see that pinches the rope less and its easy for untighten had been the riggers knot
Subscribed because:
1. You are proficient and thus efficient in explaining knots.
2. You value my time. You keep videos short and stay on topic.
3. You are smart man... according to the name of your channel - "Why Knot"
Whew... I could not get it on Animated Knots, Your way simplified it and I got first try.
I have been tying this Knot, and the Zeppelin for years but got the two flipped.
Thanks.
This knot is great for connecting fly line to leader as well, as it will flow through guides easily.
My favorite way to quickly tie the Hunter's Bend too.
So, looking at the construction of the two, is the Zeppelin two interlocking loops while the Hunters/Riggers is two interlocking overhand knots?!?!
Dang, they appear so similar.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?! Thanks!!
Like the way u think about these… not sure of answer tho
Zeppelin has no interlock, and mirrored loops. In this case at 0:30 if U make the long working end of the yellow line under/behind the longer working end of the blue line, and finish the knot that way, U become a Zeppelin. Other saying the difference U form two loops and put it together, or form the loop itself together .
does this knot undo itself if it's slack in the wind or waving around underwater
Which is better? The Hunter's or Zeppelin bend? I'm proficient in the Zeppelin. Would it be worthwhile learning the Hunter's as well. Great video as always. Your channel is terrific and I'm already subscribed. Greetings form Ireland 🇮🇪
@@paddor that's what I was thinking. In fact I think the Zep is that good is there really a glaring need to know another bend? Although I do like the sheet and double sheet bends.
@@donnellykieranj Apparently the zeppelin bend isn't as reliable if the ropes are of unequal diameter, in which case the double sheet bend is preferable.
Hello. Thank you
As i just wanted to remember the best knots(not many as iam not professional) in every catogory..
As far as joining two ropes...i have Square knot, sheet bend and Double fisherman knot in mind.
Should i replace this with this one.
Is Hunter's bend best compared to
Square knot,
SHeet knot,
Double fisherman knot ?
Which ones should i pick ?
Thank you < Regards
Short answer: use the reef bend most of the time. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter%27s_bend . The hunter's bend is stronger than the three bends you mentioned. The sheet bend would be easier to tie and untie. I would use the sheet bend 90% of the time. If you want it even safer, you can tie two sheet bends in opposite directions. The added benefit is that if you learn to tie the bowline fast/efficiently, you will automatically know how to tie the sheet bend efficiently too. If you're tying something permanently & don't mind the possibility of having your lines jam together, you can use the double fisherman's - especially if you're dealing with thinner cords. If you want something stronger still, and also don't mind if your lines jam together, and you also don't mind the esthetics of lines exiting at 90degree angles, then you can use this knot (hunter's). But tie it properly with interlocking loops, like wikipedia / ashley's shows. Don't use the reef bend (square knot) unless you really know what you're doing, and are sure that you will not have unexpected side-loading. The reef knot, even when seemingly jammed and secure, can fail catastrophically if a tail is pulled hard in the wrong direction.
Thank you
This method is way better than AnimatedKnots.
Have you seen a simiar knot that is not the zeppelin knot, very very similar to this?
I suggest you check Ashley book of knots. It is possible to tie this knot aka Riggers knot with one strand in a different position within the overhand knot. Looks the same but is not stable. Otherwise the Zep or the Alpine Butterfly tied as a knot, but both ends come out the same side for that.
The way this video shows the knot, the two loops are placed in parallel before the tails go through the loops in opposite directions. In another version of the knot, the loops would start off interlocked before the tails go through. I believe I'm describing the proper Hunter bend, this video seems to show a variation.
@@stephanddd Yes! I mean almost every source I've found with Hunters Bend is this version of the knot (the one of the video) but I remember learned travelling with a French friend the version you're describing; loops aren't interlocked and the tail finished facing opposites direction, just as if you see a Hunters bend from above. So you think this variations has a specific name? This is what I've been looking for yeaaaars! jaja
@@macelbayardi8453 First: I made a mistake, I believe this video does show the proper Hunter's bend because the way he placed the loops, they're actually interlocking but it's not very obvious. Next: To my knowledge, the only version where the loops don't cross over and exit in opposite directions is the Zeppelin bend. I can't think of a reason why you'd want to deviate from the Zeppelin, because it's supposed to have excellent characteristics. Frankly, my guess is that you're remembering the Zeppelin, but you were taught to hold it in a different way - like the "9" was upside down so it looked like it was facing the "6", but its the same knot as the Zeppelin. However, if you want to have the tails exit in the same direction, you also have the Alpine Butterfly bend. Kindof like the Alpine Butterfly loop, but imagine if you cut the loop. You also have the Farmer's loop that you could figure out how to tie as a bend. The Alpine Butterfly bend requires the loops to start off crossed over, but I'm uncertain about the Farmer. But both of these have the tails exiting together, so I don't think they're the ones you're referring to.
@@stephanddd thanks a lot bro, I had’nt realized that this video is not the common way of a Hunters Bend (interlocking strands)
Its actually the one I was looking for, I found this other video refering to the knot Im looking as Riggers Knot th-cam.com/video/AoKbbe0aeeQ/w-d-xo.html
What do you think?
I’ve been using Zeppeling Bend, (Normal Interlocking) Hunters Bend, (Now that I know) Riggers Knot and ButterFly Bend for joining together pieces of rope for Highline anchors, where it sees dynamic constant loads up to 7-10kN (the knot tends to tighten a lot). And the one I see that pinches the rope less and its easy for untighten had been the riggers knot
Sure looks like the zepplin bend to me!
Close but the Zeppelin Bend is a different knot.
Looks easy
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