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It's funny you mention how it's uncommon for people to encounter Crowley first. Admittedly I did get into Harry Potter as a child and I was fascinated by the idea of an alternative, secret community of powerful people all around me. It seemed to explain a few oddities of the adult "muggle" world. However, I didn't seriously consider the possibility that such a thing might really exist until my best friend and I began learning about Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin's fascination with Crowley. It seems like the media portrayal provides a conceptual framework for understanding magic as a presence in our societies whereas the textual tradition awaiting in libraries provides a real course of action to pursue in order to engage with a real presence analogous (but by no means identical) to its media portrayal.
Thank you, I always enjoy the insights your various guests at the symposium bring, and I can tell Dr. Otto has a lot of enthusiasm for his work. I really appreciate this resource!
We all we wait and see how far this goes. I appreciate the researchers who collect the data, and hope for more fulfilling lives in the future. Thanks guys!
Very good. He's not simplifying into "new religious movement", "new age" or some similar malformed concept, based on simplistic pattern matching. There is depth in his analysis!
You sure know how to pick 'em Dr P this was a great interview, a sweeping over view of the development of the western magical tradition. If I may even use the word magic, this episode is it!
Amazing interview! This has awakened me not only to the logical dimensions of esoteric practice but to the need for more anthropological, or 'ground level' research on the topic. This has inspired me to start a process of interviewing the local occult scene in small American town like mine and discovering the historical and logical processionals behind it =!
I thought this was great! I can't wait to read Dr. Otto's work. Thank you so much for introducing us to him. This was so interesting and helpful for me. I am writing an essay about the history of anti-magic prejudice within Christianity and his work seems like it will be incredibly useful in that endeavor, much like how your channel has been. I really hope we do see some scientific experimentation with magic techniques in the next few decades. I really like his proposal to do a study on sigils. They are such a powerful tool and would be a great thing to research. Anyways, thanks again Angela!
Really great interview. Learned a lot of history I didn't know about. Especially interesting were the remarks how concept has been quite polemistic for really long time. Another was about influence of pop culture: it resonates with my everyday observation that, while pen and paper role-playing games do not make people Satanists, many occultist of my age I know played those games as a teenager.
Very interesting discussion. The distinction between “learned” and “practiced” magic is an interesting one. I’m super curious to learn as much as possible about the differing oral traditions.
Talking about magickal "products", back in the day, me & a friend came up with the ideas of portable ley lines (stripes of fabric to place outside your tent when at concerts), aura make-up (to highlight one's best features), & stick-on chakras (dilemma, does one stick them on the front or the back of the body?) My main introduction was Dr Strange Master of Black Magic, later Master of the Mystic Arts, who travelled in his ectoplasm form, later astral body. There seems to be a omission in these studies regarding mental magic, new thought, etc.
The sound on this video reminds me of a trip i took in the mid 80's. It just needs to undulate in volume and i think i may have a flashback with some visuals . By the way the shrooms season is not that far of in my part of the world .
It’s a tough subject because magic can’t be summarized through an academic lense . Magic isn’t western, and cannot be summarized in a western context .According to our traditions . Academia erased our history and paints an incomplete history as fact . I would encourage everyone to move past their preconceived notions of authority on these matters and learn more from traditional cultural teachers , (in my opinion that no one asked for) it is vastly more appropriate and respectful . Just another perspective . My lineage is indigenous Mexican, Italian, and Irish and folk magic on both sides have been systemically dismantled and discredited by academia . We have to break out of our systems of authority to understand the world around us, or else we have a horribley incomplete understanding that is then accepted as fact
Most of the current Western Europe and American academic was created by the vary branches of the Protestant churches. As for the more lower academic mind set, that is the blame of the USA Southern Baptist & Evangel church branches, they see the Devil in nearly everything and are oppose to any un American white Christian view of outside of their church political echo chambers. From the now currently easier to aces by the internet other than hours of searching for the books as people did before the 2000's, .. The high college/ universities have always took the study of .. magic .. very serious. They just brain wash the peasant masses that magic to the educated mind that magic is nothing more than fantasy imaginary superstition and to the below average religious mind that all magic is from the devil and avoided at all costs. It is all about social class control. What I find that turns people off from learning to practice .. true magik .. is it takes years of training just to pull off the simplest of circus parlor tricks. Also people normally deal with more than enough bull crap from humans, so why do you want to take on more bull crap from dealing with astral beings that barely think along human lines of though. Then you have all the non sense of what people think they are dealing with in regards to angels, fairies, and demons. ( astral beings) which have their own ethic clans and cultures. As a teenager and also in my early 20's I tried to build a small Japanese Shinto garden shrine on my grand parent's country rural land, they even put a good chunk of money into the garden. At nigh there was always the sound of a street alley cat fight going on. Freaky you are standing next or in tall grass hearing cats fight, but you can find no cats. Deer tore through the garden along with coyotes digging pits into the place. We even had people drunk or high out of their minds show up in the middle of the night trying to shovel through it. In short the .. wild .. nature spirits/ fairies didn't like or want an Orderly cultured samurai fairies in their area. Lucky we only lost out on a few hundred dollars and not a couple of thousand in investment. Standing within a stone circle garden listening to a few dozen spirits argue and bicker with each other is nerve racking. It is like having a family reunion sleep over with a bunch of teenagers hype up on cafe & way too much sugar after playing football all afternoon. Irish like getting a good drunk going, Italian/ Irish takes getting drunk to a whole different level. So how is your spirit circle work going, I haven't bother with any work in over fifth teen years myself.
@@krispalermo8133 yeah for me it’s the hyper focus on magic and ignoring the mass systems of disrespect towards the earth and the earth/nature spirits/deities which are extremely connected because everything we do interacts with the spirit world around us in which we cannot see. We are living in a world of material knowledge and material expansion which is the very destructive force against the balance our ancestors once had with the spirit world for lack of a better term
@@drangelapuca My grand parents had a nice piece of rural country land, we buried a stone circle under ground on top of a lay line. Even if you don't believe in magik, people still notice .. strange .. thing can happen there. Problem with working magik there was both of my grand parents mind set of what type of energy that flowed through there and the fairies. But other than what could just be dismiss as low level simple stage magic. Nothing too impressive to witness. Academia rooted around physical science is used to be recreated by anyone reading off written document and easily recreated for profit. Show that after a few hours of doing circle magik and sliding a one ton car in a 360 without any traction problems on gravel or grass isn't a Los Vegas worthy magic stage act. As for a .. control environment .. study, where you can repeat your results as in any other normal science test ... why is magik problematic ? Kind of like your video on Italian witch folk magik, their grand mothers had to go to each other for a specialist result, but the current smart phone generation can swap out with each other over the net.
How long did you have look look around the conference for the largest room with the most echo you could find? Of course I joke though, this is great like usual!
this was the best one I could find and I didn't imagine the microphone would emphasise the background noise so much. Unfortunately, there was no professional recording studio at the University of Pisa.
@@drangelapuca it was still great considering. Sound is one of those things that can be extremely difficult to plan for on location and you still ended up with it being remarkably listenable. It would always sound better recorded in a broom/janitorial/supply closet, but then again that doesn't make for the best video shoot. Plus some guests might not understand why you are trying to stuff them in a closet.
I wish I had the time and money to get a doctorate in something like this, did you have to work a normal job while earning your Ph.D? I'm just wondering, I'd love to teach theology for a living but I'm poor and have to work all the time, no time or money for school :/
For all the talk of how magic is being accepted in modern polite society, you didn’t end the video with your usual benediction to “stick around for all the Academic Fun.”
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It's funny you mention how it's uncommon for people to encounter Crowley first. Admittedly I did get into Harry Potter as a child and I was fascinated by the idea of an alternative, secret community of powerful people all around me. It seemed to explain a few oddities of the adult "muggle" world. However, I didn't seriously consider the possibility that such a thing might really exist until my best friend and I began learning about Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin's fascination with Crowley. It seems like the media portrayal provides a conceptual framework for understanding magic as a presence in our societies whereas the textual tradition awaiting in libraries provides a real course of action to pursue in order to engage with a real presence analogous (but by no means identical) to its media portrayal.
fascinating, Andy
Thank you, I always enjoy the insights your various guests at the symposium bring, and I can tell Dr. Otto has a lot of enthusiasm for his work. I really appreciate this resource!
We all we wait and see how far this goes. I appreciate the researchers who collect the data, and hope for more fulfilling lives in the future. Thanks guys!
I hope that, too! Hopefully, this channel's growth will help
Very good. He's not simplifying into "new religious movement", "new age" or some similar malformed concept, based on simplistic pattern matching. There is depth in his analysis!
Glad you appreciated the conversation
You sure know how to pick 'em Dr P this was a great interview, a sweeping over view of the development of the western magical tradition. If I may even use the word magic, this episode is it!
thank you, Jason! :-)
thanks for bringing other knowledgeable people to your channel, I love it!!!!
Aw, you're most welcome!
Amazing interview! This has awakened me not only to the logical dimensions of esoteric practice but to the need for more anthropological, or 'ground level' research on the topic. This has inspired me to start a process of interviewing the local occult scene in small American town like mine and discovering the historical and logical processionals behind it =!
I thought this was great! I can't wait to read Dr. Otto's work. Thank you so much for introducing us to him. This was so interesting and helpful for me. I am writing an essay about the history of anti-magic prejudice within Christianity and his work seems like it will be incredibly useful in that endeavor, much like how your channel has been. I really hope we do see some scientific experimentation with magic techniques in the next few decades. I really like his proposal to do a study on sigils. They are such a powerful tool and would be a great thing to research. Anyways, thanks again Angela!
oh, wow! interesting essay, Justin. I'm sure you'll do great
I love you, Ms. Angela 💖💖💖💖
Thank you, Tisha!
Really great interview. Learned a lot of history I didn't know about. Especially interesting were the remarks how concept has been quite polemistic for really long time. Another was about influence of pop culture: it resonates with my everyday observation that, while pen and paper role-playing games do not make people Satanists, many occultist of my age I know played those games as a teenager.
Thanks for listening
Very interesting discussion. The distinction between “learned” and “practiced” magic is an interesting one.
I’m super curious to learn as much as possible about the differing oral traditions.
glad you liked it
Super interesting interview!! I love this academic content! 🥳
More to come!
Talking about magickal "products", back in the day, me & a friend came up with the ideas of portable ley lines (stripes of fabric to place outside your tent when at concerts), aura make-up (to highlight one's best features), & stick-on chakras (dilemma, does one stick them on the front or the back of the body?) My main introduction was Dr Strange Master of Black Magic, later Master of the Mystic Arts, who travelled in his ectoplasm form, later astral body. There seems to be a omission in these studies regarding mental magic, new thought, etc.
Excellente entrevue.
The sound on this video reminds me of a trip i took in the mid 80's. It just needs to undulate in volume and i think i may have a flashback with some visuals . By the way the shrooms season is not that far of in my part of the world .
haha well, at least it served a purpose
So nice!
Thanks!
Just woke up! I'm looking forward to this.
let me know if you like the conversation
Just started the video and I’m very excited!
Hope you enjoy it!
Enjoyed the interview! 💎
glad you did!
Another great interview, doctor!
thank you
Thank you Doctor. 👍
thanks for letting me know, Doug
Very cool love this.😁
Thank you 😁
Excellent interview
thank you, Steve
Definitely enjoyable. Great information, :))
Awesome, thank you!
It’s a tough subject because magic can’t be summarized through an academic lense . Magic isn’t western, and cannot be summarized in a western context .According to our traditions . Academia erased our history and paints an incomplete history as fact . I would encourage everyone to move past their preconceived notions of authority on these matters and learn more from traditional cultural teachers , (in my opinion that no one asked for) it is vastly more appropriate and respectful . Just another perspective . My lineage is indigenous Mexican, Italian, and Irish and folk magic on both sides have been systemically dismantled and discredited by academia . We have to break out of our systems of authority to understand the world around us, or else we have a horribley incomplete understanding that is then accepted as fact
Most of the current Western Europe and American academic was created by the vary branches of the Protestant churches. As for the more lower academic mind set, that is the blame of the USA Southern Baptist & Evangel church branches, they see the Devil in nearly everything and are oppose to any un American white Christian view of outside of their church political echo chambers.
From the now currently easier to aces by the internet other than hours of searching for the books as people did before the 2000's, ..
The high college/ universities have always took the study of .. magic .. very serious. They just brain wash the peasant masses that magic to the educated mind that magic is nothing more than fantasy imaginary superstition and to the below average religious mind that all magic is from the devil and avoided at all costs. It is all about social class control. What I find that turns people off from learning to practice .. true magik .. is it takes years of training just to pull off the simplest of circus parlor tricks. Also people normally deal with more than enough bull crap from humans, so why do you want to take on more bull crap from dealing with astral beings that barely think along human lines of though.
Then you have all the non sense of what people think they are dealing with in regards to angels, fairies, and demons. ( astral beings) which have their own ethic clans and cultures. As a teenager and also in my early 20's I tried to build a small Japanese Shinto garden shrine on my grand parent's country rural land, they even put a good chunk of money into the garden. At nigh there was always the sound of a street alley cat fight going on. Freaky you are standing next or in tall grass hearing cats fight, but you can find no cats. Deer tore through the garden along with coyotes digging pits into the place. We even had people drunk or high out of their minds show up in the middle of the night trying to shovel through it. In short the .. wild .. nature spirits/ fairies didn't like or want an Orderly cultured samurai fairies in their area. Lucky we only lost out on a few hundred dollars and not a couple of thousand in investment.
Standing within a stone circle garden listening to a few dozen spirits argue and bicker with each other is nerve racking. It is like having a family reunion sleep over with a bunch of teenagers hype up on cafe & way too much sugar after playing football all afternoon. Irish like getting a good drunk going, Italian/ Irish takes getting drunk to a whole different level.
So how is your spirit circle work going, I haven't bother with any work in over fifth teen years myself.
@@krispalermo8133 yeah for me it’s the hyper focus on magic and ignoring the mass systems of disrespect towards the earth and the earth/nature spirits/deities which are extremely connected because everything we do interacts with the spirit world around us in which we cannot see. We are living in a world of material knowledge and material expansion which is the very destructive force against the balance our ancestors once had with the spirit world for lack of a better term
academia analyses concepts in context, because that's how knowledge is gathered with the best accuracy, given limitations and circumstances.
@@drangelapuca My grand parents had a nice piece of rural country land, we buried a stone circle under ground on top of a lay line. Even if you don't believe in magik, people still notice .. strange .. thing can happen there. Problem with working magik there was both of my grand parents mind set of what type of energy that flowed through there and the fairies. But other than what could just be dismiss as low level simple stage magic. Nothing too impressive to witness.
Academia rooted around physical science is used to be recreated by anyone reading off written document and easily recreated for profit. Show that after a few hours of doing circle magik and sliding a one ton car in a 360 without any traction problems on gravel or grass isn't a Los Vegas worthy magic stage act.
As for a .. control environment .. study, where you can repeat your results as in any other normal science test ... why is magik problematic ?
Kind of like your video on Italian witch folk magik, their grand mothers had to go to each other for a specialist result, but the current smart phone generation can swap out with each other over the net.
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Is there anyone studying the newly translated Codex Gigas to try “reverse engineering” any of the beliefs or rituals described therein?
interesting! it'd be a fascinating topic for a video
How long did you have look look around the conference for the largest room with the most echo you could find? Of course I joke though, this is great like usual!
this was the best one I could find and I didn't imagine the microphone would emphasise the background noise so much. Unfortunately, there was no professional recording studio at the University of Pisa.
@@drangelapuca it was still great considering. Sound is one of those things that can be extremely difficult to plan for on location and you still ended up with it being remarkably listenable.
It would always sound better recorded in a broom/janitorial/supply closet, but then again that doesn't make for the best video shoot. Plus some guests might not understand why you are trying to stuff them in a closet.
@@jeremysmith4620 I think it sounds cool, I love reverb.
Question if we all have spirits and souls. Why are we summoning spirits and souls to barrow power?
not a question for scholars but I'm still going to ask why would you ask someone's help to lift a wardrobe if you have arms yourself?
I wish I had the time and money to get a doctorate in something like this, did you have to work a normal job while earning your Ph.D? I'm just wondering, I'd love to teach theology for a living but I'm poor and have to work all the time, no time or money for school :/
Sorry to hear about that. I can relate as I had to win a scholarship to pursue my PhD
How is the .. pizza .. in the city of Pisa ?
Asking for a friend.
the best Pizza is in Naples, its birthplace
@@drangelapuca So sorry, but I have to disagree.
My home made American Sicilian pizza style is better.
The secret is all about the sauce & crust.
For all the talk of how magic is being accepted in modern polite society, you didn’t end the video with your usual benediction to “stick around for all the Academic Fun.”
haha no, I got self-conscious being with a colleague beside me
Magia, Magic, is a delicious fecund modulator.
interesting
Keep up the good works! BTW . . . Just say No!😉🌹
no to what?
@@drangelapuca It is quoted from commercial about forty years ago . . Druugs
in pre-modern times you guys would be speaking in latin
Haha possibly
Excellente entrevue.