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Heather Mills | Beyond Meat Debate | Propositon (2/7) | Oxford Union
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In the wake of damning new evidence, the contribution of meat consumption to carbon emissions is at the forefront of global conversations. In this debate, fears of environmental damage and ethical concerns for animal rights clash with millions within the meat industry facing unemployment, religious and cultural traditions being condemned, and those with medical requirements risking disapproval for putting their health first. In light of these competing concerns, we must confront one of the most urgent issues of our time: should society finally move beyond meat?
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Proposition Speakers
1. Heather Mills
Former model, businesswoman, media personality, and activist. She launched VBites, a vegan food company, and plans to create a ‘vegan Silicon Valley’ in the North of England.
2. Professor Jeff McMahan
White’s Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford and author of The Meat Eaters. He has been a vegetarian for more than 50 years and continues to query the ethics of killing animals.
3. Carol Adams
Writer, vegan feminist, and animal rights advocate. She is known for having written The Sexual Politics of Meat: A Feminist-Vegetarian Critical Theory, and was inducted into the Animal Rights Hall of Fame in 2011.
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Opposition Speakers
1. Mikhaila Peterson
Canadian podcaster who runs the blog Don’t Eat That. She eats a meat-only ‘Lion Diet’ and claims this has helped her overcome autoimmune and mood disorders.
2. Peter Stevenson OBE
Chief Policy Advisor to Compasssion in World Farming and recipient of the RSPCA Lord Erskine Award. He was lead author of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation review of animal welfare legislation.
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"Ma'am, this is a debate, not a job interview."
Advert for all her wonderfulness...
that’s what I thought
Hard pass on the fake food made in a lab
UPLOAD PART 2 YA COWARDS.
you guys forgot part 2, give the people what they want
Where is it?
They deliberately didn't upload it.
2nd part would have controversy according to me.
@@vikashsharma9837 prove it.
yer so we the oxford union will have a debate. (then we will quietly refuse to upload part of it.... you can trust us we promise.)
@@VeganofSuburbia No, you prove it!
Some people can’t break down cellulose?? How about everybody can’t break it down 😂😂🤣
Sorry, busy munching on this shrubbery.
The woman is a liar.
there is insoluble and soluble fiber and they both have their jobs. What % of people do you "think" cannot break it down? And what do both do within our systems?
@@madnezz1961 cellulose is insoluble fiber...... soluble fiber = not cellulose. I was talking about cellulose.
@@christophern2818 Benefits of Insoluble Fiber
Because insoluble fiber cannot be dissolved in water, it doesn't break down in the digestive tract. Instead it binds to the other food components you've eaten, adding bulk to the mass and helping it move through your intestines. This creates the urge to go to the bathroom. According to registered dietitian Debra A. Boutin of Bastyr University, bowel movements exercise the bowel, which is a muscle. Without enough insoluble fiber in the diet, the bowel becomes weak and there are fewer bowel movements, which leads to constipation.
Insoluble fiber also keeps the digestive system healthy by aiding the growth of beneficial gut bacteria that feed on sugars and fibers in foods. These healthy gut flora prevent bad bacteria from proliferating and causing illness.
Is the (2/8) argument missing?
the oxford union is ... 'bad words'...
Seems like it.
“I never prepare my speeches” it shows a bit
its more honest. i like it ill be honest
@@acatwithafancyhat5782 it just seems like she’s talking more about her accomplishments than about the exact issue. She even makes points for the opposition by saying that she understands there are people that vegan diets cannot work for but then largely disregards those same people in supporting the proposition to support beyond meat
@@killian18war you said it, its all about her and not about the debate. Which is matching the vegan stereotype that they're desperate for attention.
@@acatwithafancyhat5782 It's lazy bc she did NO RESEARCH. She just got up and spouted off talking points.
@@olliefoxx7165 And that is all it is. NEXT!
Also, in case anyone needs to know, this is not the woman Jordan Peterson was referring to. Even though he said Heather Mills was the woman who put forward a ridiculous argument, I'm pretty sure he was talking about Carol Adams, later on in the debate.
thanks
It’s still a ridiculous argument though 😅
Thanks for this.
I am glad you know how we knew to come to this so we can watch it. I'm late because when he mentioned this it wasn't posted yet and he wasn't even sure that they would post this.
JP is really blind to his daughters single digit IQ.
No part 2??
Part 2???
Ok let's see what Jordan Peterson was talking about.
They cut the part 2 of the debat i think thats the part peterson was talking about but lets see if they show all of the debate
@@sabelotoda2 I'm pretty sure Jordan Peterson was talking about Carol Adams... She is part 7 of 8 for this debate
@@YouSuck921 thanks i was not sure thats way i said lets wait intel all the debat comes out..
It's on his instagram story now. The part he talked about and mikhaila
He was talking about part 7.
The reason I take a PPI daily is because if I eat any carb I get heartburn... you know what doesn't give me heartburn? Meat.
And the lies spouted regarding the dairy industry is shocking. Good farms do not milk cows who are given antibiotics. The problem seems to be that once you become a vegan then you seem to refuse to hear anything good about the meat & dairy industries which is sad.
there is nothing good because the animals cannot consent to being exploited, no matter how much or how little. Also, do you think small "humane" farms could feed 98% of the 7.8 billion people on the planet? Factory farming is the only way to feed that many people meat, eggs and dairy.......and the 70 billion land animals and over 1 trillion see animals have no say so in their lives
What’s the selection process before someone pees on your eye?
Will not be satisfied until part 2 is uploaded
the oxford union is ... 'bad words'...
Why wasn’t it uploaded?
Surely someone will get it out. Until they do no one can say the vegans won the argument.
@@Washpenrebel There is simply not enough evidence.
Although I think the man would have had to come out naked shouting expletives in order for the debate to have swung at all.
Where is part 2
If I want advice on how to be a gold digger I'll listen to Heather Mills. Everything else, it's a pass.
Head to toe Stella McCartney.
😝
Hahahaha
agreed
LOL that's the first thing that I thought when I saw it was her speaking LOL
Perhaps meat protein is necessary for the brain to construct a rational argument?
I think it's the cholesterol, brains are more than 60% pure ldl cholesterol.
you can get enough protein on a vegan diet. you just need to have a mix of different foods every day.
@@VeganofSuburbia or you can just eat meat.
@@melissalowe3856 don't use logic, it hurts their feels
@@melissalowe3856 no
My acid reflux stopped and my asthma completely went into remission when I started eating fewer root veg and cereals and more meat and fat.
me too. once i ate bolognese from my homegrown tomato . for 2 days the 3. day i almost couldnot speak my throat felt like it will blow up because of the reflux
Heather Mills - "we live in a greedy world",, lol, pot? kettle?
We´re all here for part 2/8
Yawn
A perfect example of why celebrities should just read the lines written for them.
1st speaker of the opposition completely roasted them so Oxford has not uploaded part 2.
Is this true? How you know? If they keep holding out, part 2 will be able to be sold as a pay per view😅
I like how Mikaela Peterson is sitting there as a healthy living example of this woman's health argument being bullshit.
I’m a 58 year old meat eater and this 53 year old vegan looks older than me. I’ll stick to meat thanks.
Mikhaila is gonna die early
@@bobsbigboy_ From listening to insane woke people like Carol and Heather. Just listening to them gave me depression.
@@bobsbigboy_ sounds like a threat
I wouldn't class her as "healthy". She has extreme adverse reactions when digesting nearly ALL plant material. She is a carnivore out of necessity, not because she wants to.
korea will never give up its bbq meats and still have the best skin in the world lol
My girlfriend is Korean. If she could eat beef steak three times a day she would, she is more carnivor than I am. She looks amazing and has great skin. Her mother is the same and she is nearly 70 years old.
Heather Mills "No one considers the vegan lifestyle until they're ill'
Mikhaila Peterson, 'Not so fast. Like your argument, you don't even have a leg to stand on'
I bet that leg is made out of diamonds that she bought with McCartneys money.
Are you VEGAN? 🌱
That would have been a savage remark. Im sure some try vegan to get healthy and in many cases a whole foods vegan diet is going to be better than a garbage pail diet like most Americans eat. Unfortunately maintaining that diet isn't viable for most people long term. Carnivore seems great for lots of people so far. Itll be interesting to get more info once a larger group of people do carnivore for long periods if time. Some people can seem to do vegan long term, but the majority end up having to quit. Im interested in the percentages of carnivores.
@@numberone2836, if you are reading this comment, you are obviously a human being. Therefore, you are a HERBIVORE and not an omnivore, nor a carnivore.🌱
You are a HERBIVORE who consumes “food” not belonging to your species.
I suggest you research the meaning of words before attempting to use them, lest you appear to be a dunce. 🤡
@@TheVeganVicar no proof, most carnivores have a single chain digestive system like ours, most ruminate animals have multiple stomachs to break down the plant fibers. We also have canines, herbivores do not. We are omnivores at best, the human species would not have survived had it not been for meat consumption and use of animal pelts for warmth in winter in certain climates.
Where’s part 2?
Wheres Part 2?? :/
I have to take her speech with a grain of salt, considering she’s profiting from the vegan lifestyle.
That doesn't mean it's moral to eat other animals when it's not necessary anymore. We don't live in a jungle anymore. We live in the West with access to shops an online shopping 5 minutes away with plenty of choice that provides us with all the nutrients we need to be healthy on a vegan diet. Our ancestors couldn't get b12 supplements or algae oil for omega for instance, we don't live in caves anymore. If people wanna go for what's natural, then stop getting into cars, using phones, etc...
@@VeganofSuburbia that sounded very racist lmao
U saying "developing countries" are living in a jungle because they're not "part of the west"?
@@VeganofSuburbia None of these people making cases for veganism are what I would consider moral, the first speaker was the opposite, and this one is profiting from it. To say I don't trust these people would be the absolute understatement of the year. Tell me, @Human Animal, have you ever used an uber, been in a aeroplane, or do you have a mobile phone, or computer? If so then you are NOT in a position to be lecturing to anyone else. Neither is Heather Mills, a woman who married someone to try to make themselves some money, give me a break.
@@vengefullight4665 Were they referring to the jungle as "developed countries" or were you just inferring that? Because that sounds more racist. Sometimes a jungle is literally just a jungle.
@@DigiMyst "we don't live in a jungle anymore. We live in the west with access to shops online"
Implying you're either a first world country with easy access to shops, or you're in a jungle since that's the distinct difference between the 2 she used
Nice try, racism apologist
**sigh** the 2nd finger wagging morally grandstanding "argument" when do pro vegan people finaly learn ..
you can not shame people into giving up meat. no matter how morally superior you feel.
at least she brought up some reasonable points, which is a lot better than 7/8 which was just spewing holdless accusations and hate ..
A reduction to meat once or twice a week makes sense .. but fully vegan is riddiculous and not good as they claim .. vast swaths of the "farmland" is not viable for human consumable food but plane and simple grassland. if the world would go vegan .. that would all be unusable .. leading to food shortages.
Have you reduced your meat consumption to once or twice per week?
@@EnjoyPlantPower i haven't reduced or increased my meat consumption on the basis of any of those discussions .. sometimes i eat meat 3-4 times a week sometimes i go 2 weeks without .. but i will NEVER be vegan and most likely never be vegetarian .. at least not voluntarily
@@TheyCalledMeT vegetarianism often fairs better in studies than veganism but for me it led to an increase in egg and dairy intake which I didn’t think was healthy. Although this was mainly due to eating-out rather than cooking at home.
@@EnjoyPlantPower may look for dr. berg videos .. as long as it's healthy produced eggs according to him it's amongst the best foods you can eat
I went from a whole grain, whole food lean meat omnivorous diet to a whole food plant based very low fat diet for 2 years. So I wasn't eating processed foods when I changed. I ended up the most unhealthy I've ever been in my life with multiple health issues. A carnivore diet saved my mental and physical health. Now I've learned about regenerative farming, I now also understand animals are essential for us to save the planet. Her belief that an artificial meat burger, made from 20 imported ingredients and created in a lab with the high associated energy usage, could ever be better for the planet than a pasture raised cow grown with just rainwater and sunlight who's waste product grows the very grass it eats, is absurd. I know she means well, but her ignorance is embarrassing.
I, too, suffered terribly on an organically grown whole foods plant based diet, blew out the cap on a million dollar health insurance policy and incurred $180,000 in out of pocket medical expenses. I landed in the hospital with severe reactions to phytotoxins too many times to count. I converted to meat, game, dairy and eggs before anyone was even talking about carnivore. It saved my life.
Well said ❤
She looks ready to faint at any moment. Combine carnivore with high intensity exercise is henominal. If weak or sick, start with Taoist tai chi. Again, phenominal. All nutritional evidence is anecdotal.
my best bet is that it depends on your body, some people get unhealthy because eating meat and going vegan is right for them, for almost everybody the best solution is a balanced diet we just need a way to actually tell what's best for your body try and error is not sufficient anymore
I haven't eaten an animal in 36 years and I'm very healthy. Why would anyone eat a processed burger whether it be plant based or animal based is only something people should do as a once in a while treat.
No way can we have billions upon billions of animals all on grass. There isn't enough land, the forests are already being destroyed to grow food for them.. Their methane gas and wastage run off is already destroying the environment. No animals are living on grass all the year round. Most of them come inside in the winter as there are no nutrients in grass.
Heather knows all there is to know on diet and animal cruelty and the last thing she is. is ignorant.
I notice you have nothing to say about animal cruelty in the farming industries. Over 90 % of animals are factory farmed. It's a money making industry that has no interest in animal well being.
Your comment stinks of we must keep animal cruelty going as I am addicted to eating their flesh.
Mills: "we've destroyed the planet"
Planet: "wut, mate?"
Are you VEGAN? 🌱
LOL
yes. the planet no longer exists. you hadn't noticed?
"Yeah, nah. She'll be right, mate".
@@nunyabiznes80085 yeah, nah. Planet has existed for millions if not billions of years. Stop making the human existence out to be some significant part of it so much that it can destroy it. We are literally a speck in time of its totality of existence. You aren't important.
Went from vegetarian to carnivore diet and everything in my health improved. Most health improvements people get from plant based diets are the same and less of carnivore- just cutting out processed foods and vegetable oil.
Lies
@Josh Johnson yeah I only eat solid dairy on rare occasion now.
@@bobsbigboy_ there are many vegan/vegetarian to carnivore stories out there. Try it for a month and get back to me then.
Meat and exercise the fountain of youth
If they're the same, why choose the one that causes substantially more harm?
Acting like veganism is good for the environment isn't an argument.
?
Its not acting son, its the only choice the planet filled with greedy humans have.
Growing plants creates more waste than rearing meat. Where and how do you think all those different varieties of the same fruit and veg comes from?
@@unvaccinatedAndPureBlood and i thought methane was produced by veggies.
@@k7trepz Have you seen the amount of clearings needed to plants foodstuff? Or the water needed to grow those plants? Or the gas needed to transport by plane train ship truck?
In the 1960s there were 150 million heads of cattle. Now, it's 50 mil. So farts are the problem?
Where is part 2?
What are you trying to hide?
A complete whack job😂😂😂
Part 2 must be Haram
Edit: Louise Gray "The Ethical Carnivore" was the speaker they cut
whats the reason? do you know what her speech was about that got her canceled?
@@DaNr1to2 She equates eating meat with being a white suprematist and racist... clearly as mad as a hatter.. pity they didnt upload it.
She really came out here, made all these emotion based statements and provided no evidence to any of her claims and probably went home feeling she said something significant
Are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@TheVeganVicar I've been vegetarian for 36 years and I think she is totally hypocritical. She talks about health whilst pushing overly processed foods with next to no nutritional properties. She is only promoting her own business!
@@zelaht2778, I’m not sure of the reason why you mentioned your diet.
The term "VEGAN" refers to the philosophy of avoiding undue harm to any animal life, as far as practical, whilst "vegetarian" is merely someone who consumes a plant-based diet.
Therefore, veganism is NOT a diet but a moral or ethical position against animal exploitation of any kind. 🌱
@@TheVeganVicar Yeah that's what you think, but veganism isn't reducing harm to animals at all. The harm you do by eating approximately one cow a year as a carnivore is in no way bigger than what vegan agriculture is doing to animals.
@@hanswurscht6625, your “logic” is UNDERWHELMING, Sir. 🙄
What happened to part 2 please?
Where's part 2/8? Or is the numbering wrong?
Nope the order is correct the woman in 2/8 made a horrible arguement for veganism so they didnt upload it. I'm looking for the video myself i found an analysis of it, it was a good laugh but I'd like to see it without someones analysis
@@tim3273 plz do you still have that analysis? I will appreciate that one at least...
@@cubaholiday my mistake i was referring to carol which they did upload so i actually dont know who 2/8 actually is
That was terrible.
I honestly have no idea what her actual argument is. All of it sounded more like “look we vegans have other nutritional options!” Rather than an argument to stop eating meat.
The argument is stop supporting animal cruelty.
@@anonymousalexander6005 Everybody says they are against animal cruelty but a lot of them go home and eat an abused animal.
What she conveniently left out of her speech is how ridiculously expensive all those vegan alternatives are. I've tried her "Beyond Meat" and it tastes pretty decent, but it also costs 3-4 times more than its equivalent of weight in real beef (at least here in Canada). All the vegan restaurants here will end up costing you an arm and a leg if you truly want to eat your fill. I'm just a student, as long as the vegan vs omnivore debate is a choice between being broke/hungry vs being able to afford a healthy diet, I'll choose staying omnivorous thank you very much.
@@CosmicTeapot 1 lb of steak is over 15.00 US, 1 lb of beans is about 1.00 US. Processed foods whether animal or plant are expensive and not healthy. But being a WFPB vegan is the least expensive way anyone can eat. Grains, potatoes, carrots, pasta, onions, lentils, beans are very inexpensive and rice triples in yield
@@madnezz1961 Oh I know, I actually used to be 100% vegan for a couple of years. But what I learned is that you need to eat a lot more veggies to compensate for the smaller amounts of meat/eggs/dairy one would eat. I had to eat 5 times a day to not pass out when doing physically demanding jobs. I have very little free time and a very small appetite, so I sometimes need to eat twice, even only once a day for long stretches of time (which works out fine when said meal is omnivorous). I know it can work for many but you can see how having to eat large servings of legumes multiple times a day is incompatible with my personal life. Not to mention, some people simply like the taste of a burger, an omelet or a pizza, don’t want to replace them with beans and lentils, and can’t afford to buy their vegan version. As long as there isn’t a vegan option that is as nutritious for the same quantities of their meat/dairy equivalent, and as affordable, I don’t think we’ll see a major shift in the public towards veganism.
"That's not the mass majority." Ummmmmm, the whole point, both people brought up, is the individual nature of health and diet. The need to find out, through trial and error, what types of things your individual body responds positively to, not just with food but exercise as well. Has no one been paying attention to why all the diets are fads? That there's some underlying reason why universal prescriptions end up NOT being universally effective? The idea that either of their personal experiences are proof of something is not representative of the mass majority. I don't doubt lived experience I doubt it's broader implications of universal applicability.
Exactly! I tried a vegan diet because I was told it would solve all my health issues. Unfortunately, it made them far worse, resulting in life changing surgery. One thing I’ve learnt over the years is that everybody is different, and it’s wrong to force individual dietary needs onto everyone.
That is why the ability to have free choice over what we eat is paramount. Funny thing is the omnivores and carnivores aren't asking for the eradication of the agriculture industry, but vegans will never stop rallying to have meat banned from the food supply. Seems one ideology feels morally superior and that all people should fall in line with their views, all while telling everyone else that their viewpoints are wrong. Extremely hypocriticical. Hopefully they never succeed.
@@melissalowe3856 veganism will never succeed as ex vegans outnumber practicing vegans by ridiculous amount lol
@@Casper-we3dq That's total horse s*** whatever you ate obviously didn't provide your body with the proper nutrients too many people say they're going "on" vegandiet and really all they're doing is giving themselves a malnutrition diet and wondering why they're still sick or get worse lmao 😂get out of here.
Sciencetificly speaking There's no way for you to get ill or sick if your body is getting all of the nutrients and vitamins and minerals that it needs as well as daily exercise and proper sleep that's absolutely ridiculous. If then what is even the point of eating healthy?
I wish I was here to debate. Everyone is emotional driven as opposed to science driven. You need a dietitian to talk to them that is not biased. So frustrating! Vegan or not, it’s about whole foods and cut back on processed foods. Including vegan processed food. Vegan processed food is not healthy. The mortality rates are proof of that. It doesn’t matter if you eat vegan or meat. The environmental problem is not due to agriculture as people keep saying. It contributes but it’s not the main factor.
They were also ignoring the fact that the equivalent of factory farming, intensive single crop farming, is also damaging our ecosystems.
Plastic and electronic waste pollution is a huge problem in itself.
they talking about morality, of course they don't gonna care about science
@@Zoe-bf3wg kind of like deforestation due to avocado farming? How about catastrophic algal blooms in FLA from miracle grow used in sugar cane farms killing fish populations, changing whole ecosystems. Here in NC there are plenty of pasture raised cattle, not polluting anything, helping regenerative agriculture. There are problems on a mass scale, but it's on both sides of the argument. Support your local farmers and ranchers. Buying tofurky at the grocery store is part of the problem, don't forget the plastic that it's wrapped in goes straight to the landfill.
@@Zoe-bf3wg I never made any assertion to your diet. Seems your argument was more for the side of veganism. Also the only things you mentioned supporting are local fruit and vegetable farms. So I'm guessing you are vegan but I don't know you. You didn't mention anything about FLA algal blooms, only upset about me mentioning the avocado problem? Funny the way you speak too, "your" provincial parks, you don't own them it's public land. Like I said there are problems on both sides, the answer is not removing a whole food source, especially when there are ways to "do better." Either way the circle of life requires death, animals and humans will die eventually. Also meat is good and good for humans to consume. There are zero studies that can directly link meat alone to diseases. The whole Ancel Keys argument has been debunked multiple times.
This is what indoctrination and religious dogma separate from monotheism looks like folks
She might not have subcutaneous fat but you can see the inflammation and visceral fat signs.
Most of these ‘alternatives’ sound very processed 🤔
This woman doesn't know how to debate. LMFAO.
Part 2, please.
the oxford union is ... 'bad words'...
I find it hard to believe that the Inuit people gave up everything but fish. We are expected to believe they gave up their culture and ways of life to become more vegan.
How about stop factory farming and let farmers be farmers before corp giants got involved.
don’t think vegan diet would work in such cold climates honestly. you need those minerals
@@npcimknot958 Shifting away from a meat based diet is creating all sorts of health problems for the inuit.
the Inuit, Indigenous people are not valid arguments against veganism since no vegan doesn't understand the absolute need. Veganism is against all exploitation of animals as much as possible and practicable
WE DEMAND PART 2
Both sides are just saying to "Eat Clean Whole Foods". The sugar, preservatives and processing of food for convenience is the real problem. Combined with surplus of food and a switch to an over sedentary lifestyle is the nail in the coffin. Life sure is peachy.
What I'm trying to say is "WORD SALAD".
But also which leg is peg?
Global warming really started about 10k years ago when agriculture was first widespread. THAT is what kept us from being in an Ice Age RIGHT NOW.
Making plants and processing it to be like meat, cheese, and dairy seems to me just like all the other processed foods which are killing us.
Do you seriously think people farming crops 10,000 years ago had a significant impact on the climate? If those crops weren't grown, other plants would have grown in that space. And have you heard of the carbon cycle? Growing plants does not create more carbon. It just cycles it faster while the amount stays the same. It is burning fossil fuels that is upsetting the balance of Co2 in the atmosphere. People were not drilling for oil 10,000 years ago.
@@Elrog3 It was the cutting down and burning of trees and brush that raised carbon levels. I can't remember the source, but there are solar and orbit cycles that changed due to the increased agriculture of that time. I agree that our industrial shift has had effects. But co2 levels have been higher in the past and those periods had more vegetation growth as well as the life that fed on said plants.
We weren't around and don't know how this will impact our current state of existence of course.
@@Elrog3 I found the video that can explain better what I was talking about.
th-cam.com/video/eB3DJtQZVsw/w-d-xo.html
Why do you throw in a personal attack? It makes it hard to take anything else you say seriously and that you seem to be motivated by something other than truth or scientific or moral arguments which is what this should be about
almond milk is several times worse for the envirionment than dairy milk ...
really, how many liters of water does it take to feed that cow?
"Don't just stop after you try one and want to throw up."
Veganism in a nutshell.
If you are what you eat, what does that make a Vegan?
@@thefurrybastard1964 fruits?
@@JediMasterBaiter Or Vegetables.
nope, that is just ignorance.
Kids do not accept eating dead animals, they like fruits (if you dont give them sugar first)
"we moved kids from mcDonalds to vegan mcDonalds"... and she thinks that is healthy? shes proud of doing that? wtf... just let them have real food, not that over-processed, fried factory sludge from mcD.
That's wrong son.
Not that I'm a vegan, or support a vegan diet, but does it strike anyone else that they seem to have selected the absolute worst representatives of veganism to support their side of the proportion?
That's a common practice of the elites when there's an agenda going on.
Here's a more obvious example:
th-cam.com/video/4IfzpgGwHkI/w-d-xo.html
Also, the fake meat they're planning will surely be way worse than meat.
I personally take inspiration for my food from indians and monks who have a long history of plant-based foods and I'm 7 years plant-based eating mainly potatoes, rice, beans and legumes.
8 years ago (before going vegan) I was on a ketogenic diet and after eating too much lard in my meals (for about 2 weeks) got really sick and lost weight 8kg... that determined me to go plant-based only. My weight maintained doing almost no sport at all.
it's just a show. Ed Winters could have won this debate all by himself for the vegan side
@@madnezz1961 agree. He would have smashed it
No disagree she not only used a vegan diet to heal herself she illustrated a couple of real life examples of how she has worked with communities and run a successful vegan food company. I'd say she's backed up what she says. Why would you think she's the worst representative of veganism? Are you not above looking beyond dreadful tabloid headlines? The media can make just about anybody look bad if you manipulate information in the "right" way.
so, 4 arguments for no meat and 3 for meat... i don't want to think that there is an agenda...
Anyone know where I can find 2/8?
So we should replace whole foods like a Steak with processed vegan food thats full of chemicals nobody knows? Yeah, not happening.
It's business.. Vegan industry needs to earn too 😁😂
Your steak has more chemicals in it.
@@tottifan6979 No it doesnt.
@@hanswurscht6625 Cancer Council:
"Current research shows that there are certain chemicals in red and processed meats - both added and naturally occurring - that cause these foods to be carcinogenic. For example, when a chemical in red meat called haem is broken down in the gut, N-nitroso chemicals are formed and these have been found to damage the cells that line the bowel, which can lead to bowel cancer. These same chemicals also form when processed meat is digested. In addition, the nitrite and nitrate preservatives used to preserve processed meat produce these N-nitroso chemicals and can lead to bowel cancer.
@@tottifan6979 Yeah, sounds awkwardly familiar to the cholesterol scare. The findings are so weak and there's so much lumped in together that it's useless. Nice talking points for vegans, but that's about it.
By the way, the fact that it gets worse by processing it might tell you something.
1 Litre of Almond milk takes 385 litres of water....better for the environment? Bollocks I say!
how many liters of water does it take to create a pound of beef? nearly 7000 liters......next
@@madnezz1961 ok hipster doofus
Wonder what heather mills has to gain from less meat eating?
You buying her vegan products
@@hole374 She was campaigning against animal cruelty long before she had her own business''s.
Where is part 2?
Where is part 2???
Let me guess, she’s only speaking due to an endowment to Oxford from money she didn’t even make.
This argument is entirely subjective. For such a large debate topic as this you need objective thoughts, unfortunately, as someone else said, this is purely emotionally driven with nothing based on science and real world implications.
No she gave several examples of real world outcomes and projects
2/8???
WHERE IS PART 2 !!!
Oxford Union = Trash
“ The biggest cause of global warming is the consumption of meat and dairy”???? I’m sorry, did I miss when the entire globe switched to riding bicycles and riding on pterodactyl’s today get around??
i’m sure a few people in this room has a massive carbon print from their private jets
Everyone is different. Some people thrive on a vegan diet and some don't. Some people thrive on a carnivore diet and some don't. Why can't that be okay? And milk is not an opiate.
Because 1 causes needless suffering of humans and non. Everyone can thrive on what works eating heathy. What these debates fail to do is discuss the true ethics of the matter. Everyone instead of hanging out all dressed up should go to a slaughterhouse spend a day seeing cows get shot in the skull then visit a sanctuary and see if they truly believe in their diet
@@The40yearoldVegan you're just wrong. Sorry. But that's mindless wishful thinking. And borderline fascism if it get forced on people
@@The40yearoldVegan - The amusing part of this is you think seeing an animal die will suddenly change minds. Do you know how many of us actually kill our own meat?
@@rodjacksonx bruh I worked in slaughterhouses as a federal inspector. I’ve seen it happen and more. Most wouldn’t kill especially when they have alternates. Can i ask how this is amusing to you? Systemic abuse is rampant in this industry and thats entertaining for you?
@@rodjacksonx You pay for animal cruelty.
Where is 2/8? I cant find it
Decided not to include 2/8????
anyone else asking where part 2 is?
Excellent presentation from Heather Mills. Thank you, Heather.
i think what healed her was she stopped eating processed food
I had massive stomach issues and everyone told me to go vegan. So I did and everything got worse. Turns out I have celiac disease and most vegan food has lots of gluten in them...then I went mostly just meat and now feel better than I've ever felt.
That's good. However choice is what is needed. Some people benefit from a no meat diet others from a meat diet. For vegans there is very little choice. It's a bit biased. That's the problem.
So in your case meat diet works well, because of the other bad food you do not eat. I eat vegan and gluten free and feel fantastic. There are so many recipes that are vegan and gluten free. Oatmeal breakfasts, indian Currie s, Thai food, Mexican food. Now there are all types of noodles without weat. I really like, chickpeas, lentils, sweet potato, rice and all color groceries. Stay healthy! 😘
plants are not all made out of gluten.
MOST PROCESSED foods have gluten in them, vegan or non-vegan.
Where's part 2?
Becoming a supplementarian sounds so tempting 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@home4life505, Are you VEGAN? 🌱
If you eat meat you're a supplementarian. Most farm animals are given b12 supplements. You're like vegans but the version where you get baby-birded your supplements through animals.
@@rasputozen not true at all, British cattle are not given b12 supplements, they may get a cobalt supp if levels in the soil they are grazing are borderline.
Only vegans 100% depend on b12 supps
@@thedoc5848 They get both. Cobalt and b12 depending on soil conditions as you point out. Like I said, you're taking supplments but getting baby-birded them by animals like little bitch.
Does she know how much water agriculture uses? She mentions meat, but one could likely find solutions to reduce water use, but w/ agriculture/ plant food, you can’t.
Co2 feeds plants.. removing Co2 would undo all the greening we have seen recently
Her comments at the end "we've been teaching the farmer to grow other things on arable land." Erm arable land is where you grow your crops anyway. In geography at school, we were told that the good earth and fields were kept for crops and anything not suitable for growing crops, like on hillsides, which is more likely to contain stones and rocks and have all the nutrients wash down the hillside in the rain, is used for feeding sheep and cattle. So her take on that is BS, farmers will still have arable land, but they'll empty fields where cattle and sheep once roamed and grazed. So the farmers will likely need a new subsidy to pay for those empty fields and lost revenue. That will come out of your pockets.
Or plant woods and trees which stabilize the soil and provide a far richer ecosytem and means to generate alternative cash crops to meat and dairy products
I was listening to Ms Mills until she had bollocks Brexit moment. I'll tell you what's bollocks, we were told back in the 1975 referendum, no sovereignty would be handed over - that's bollocks!
bollocks
Oh man and those water saving calculations she states are grossly exaggerated
Where can one find 2/8 of this debate?
Is it me, or does it seem that every time humans attempt to make food “better” than Mother Nature does, they always fuck it up? Ex: white flour, trans fats, vegetable oils, high fructose corn syrup, etc… Do you really think that ultra-processed animal food alternatives that in some cases are way more processed then the animal product is actually going to be better for human health or the environment? Animal products were not a significant contributor to green house gases until very recently. It’s the modern agricultural and farming practices that are the problem, not the animal products themselves.
yuup just like interventions created allergies
@@npcimknot958 What kinds?
Good on her and all those creating alternatives that satisfy people's meat craving. This is the best route forward. Actual solutions not just emotional arguments. She and Peter Stevenson should head up an actual solution, these two seemed to be the most compromising and realistic of the two sides.
Star of the show really has to be the thick glasses guy in the red leather jacket with tinsel as a scarf 🤣
What is part 2? Is there a link to find it?
Peg leg pirate. Paul is much better off without her.
Interesting bit about the Omega 3 fatty acids.
My OCD won't let me watch this or any later videos until I've watched 2/8
If there was a tasty affordable healthy alternative I would convert .All the alternative milks she mentioned are not milks they are water based .
A cow’s milk is water based you donut
@@Celestina0 firstly no need to be rude! Ground nuts,grains or pulses added to water is not milk ,they are milk alternatives .Milk is rich in fat and protein and only secreted from female mammals to feed their young.
Vegans don't know what they want. Carol Adams says that eating meat is white supremacy and colonialism... Yet her white vegan colleague here went to the Inuits and told them to stop eating their native foods. Isn't that interesting. This stranger from the UK descends on another continent and magically knows the lay of the land and its hunting and animal populations and what a proper diet should look like for locals. This white woman must be a god to have such knowledge without having spent a lifetime living there!
It didn't sound like she went and told them what to do, rather helped them find solutions to helping minimize extinction acceleration. They still ate fish, in her words. So that's not vegan 🤷♀️
@@vivifygardens3125 oh yea.. she makes a perfect case for them to depend corporations that have a full control of food production. Helping them to be helpless and dependent… Way to go!!! Vax was not forced it was mandated by choice…. Sounds familiar?
And species extinction would do what exactly ? 🤔 Climate change affects the most vulnerable.
However, I will say in general non Indigenous folks have no business going and telling Indigenous folks what to do. But if it's in the name of conservation and they want the help, that's okay. A local tribe here works with several organizations to revitalize their river. 🤷♀️
@@vivifygardens3125 Climate change isn't going to hurt the Inuit more than this lady changing their ancestral diet they evolved to live on.
what on earth happened to part 2???
I tried a vegan burger once, it was disgusting. Never again.
I did too, it was delicious.
Loool some one make a clip looping her saying berrrrrrgaz 😭😂 lmfao I’m crying bloods not flowing to her brain bc of the Botox!
7:45 wait, so we're supposed to break down cellulose? Would any kind soul send me a link so I could fond out more? My studdies suggested that humans don't have the enzyme to do it. Thanks in advance!
Fiber has it's job and it does it well. But you are right, it's not broken down as it regulates the body’s use of sugars, helping to keep hunger and blood sugar in check
Did they not post the second one?
Is there a part 2?
or a playlist?
Heather Mills is the most dangerous person to give dietary advice because she is an activist first and missed the boat on nutrition.
Yet she looks way better than you. She mogs Mikhaila and she's got 25 years on her.
Wtf is mogs?
Man you can really hear the lack of planning. The lady in video one was so organized and she is just all over the place.
Where is the #2 video from this debate series??
looks like shes 80... is 50.
Lied about algae being as effective as fish oil.
Lied about the fact that grains and most veg get subsidised not meat.
Meat consumption has been steady while BUT the number of animals killed per year has not changed. Because A fastfood use filler and B we got more efficient with the use of the meat.
I ate meat today.
it was delicious
can't wait for my next lunch
it will be a blast
You eat it, I beat it, let's be friends
is taste more important than life?
@@VeganofSuburbia human life? No. Anything below us, meat is meat and a man must eat.
@@VeganofSuburbia plants have life
@@VeganofSuburbia It does