Gotta say, wow! Haibike really stepping up their game with this one. Hopefully their other bikes will follow this similar design language moving forward.
Why people dislike Haibike design so much? I love them and I think they look so different than most MTB, so aggressive and robust. This one looks more like a traditional MTB which is still nice but would be great to have both categories, they can coexist I think.
@@SilentKnightErik they’re definitely unique, and that’s cool. My gripe with them is the extremely high top tubes that don’t allow much for droppers. I rode an all mtn awhile back and the size large only had a 125mm dropper. That needs improvement imo
Sorry for the overuse of the word ‘super!’ I get over excited sometimes 😂🎉 eBikes have come a long way! So exciting to see these develop - 18KG, decent power to weight, 430Wh battery! Fazua system is quite interesting, I'll have way more on this system soon, as well as proper ride review vid! Cheers! Rob
Never was a fan of Haibike's square lines but this toned down design was really nice. Seeing the size of the 430wh battery I am sure we'll get smaller 625-750wh batteries soon as well for full power bikes.
From what I’m reading on electric vehicles we’re a few years off any radical changes, but I’m hoping that by 2025 the equivalent 700 watt/h battery in my Levo will have trimmed down from 3.8kgs to 2kgs, from what I’m reading that should be possible.
Nice to see someone in the industry 'rewarding' you for your efforts, you produce good quality vids and cover/explain well. Bike wise, the ability to put bigger batteries into lighter bikes is definitely of interest, and I demo'd an Orbea Rise over a couple of days a week or so ago.
Talk about upping the game. That sure is a pretty bike and I love the concept of inverting the motor into the lower seat tube to allow for easier removable battery - something the SL range of eMTB’s lack.
Hi Rob. Love your reviews. You nail the tech and gorgeous vids. Please do obvious comparison to Fuel EXe and Shuttle SL and Transition Relay (if u have one) thanks!!
Very interesting bike and a nice departure from the heavy Haibikes we are used to (my Fullseven Nine is a pig 😅). It will be really interesting to watch a comparison between Orbea Rise, Levo SL, Trek EXe and the Haibike ; how the bikes feel, motors and range, specially for sub 8k£ models. Great video btw, not an issue for me to listen all the time to "Super" if you are excited about what you are reviewing😉
@@RobRidesEMTB it would be nice, for sure, but if you fall more towards the minimalist/utilitarian side I think the TQ fills that design language perfectly and perfectly aligns with the whole fuel exe concept. I just bought a rail 9.8 xt for my fiance and a patron 900 tuned for myself and then I started looking into the fuel exe and I've been second guessing myself because it seems to have no real downsides. However now, I'm fine with my purchases. I can see the industry is clearly going toward more light and mid assist options, and that development will also likely start blurring the lines for full power bikes as well... So it's an exciting time in emtb for sure. I can't wait to see where we are at in a few more years and what will be that final push to upgrade again. Cheers from Pennsylvania!
Great progress with Ebikes, like you say I think there will be a leap forward in the lighter weight bikes and hopefully improved range. I think the Trek Fuel EXE is the benchmark at the moment, can't wait to see what will supersede that..!
@@johnlever6696 Rocky Mountain Altitude, Orbea Wild or Rise, it’s a chunk of change so I am trying to be sure this time, I keep watching reviews and going on test rides and that is compounding my problem such as it is. Good problem to have with a lot of quality ebikes out there. I snap the frame on my current bike. Replaced on warranty but I need another bike for those months in the shop.
Haibike leveling up! Also expecting to see a lot more fancy bikes from other mfg as well. E-bike tech is definitely in momentum - I’m betting it will have a bigger impact on people’s lives globally, than electric cars.
Great vid Rob. Saying all the right things about the premium request in the computer etc. always room for improvement hey. Overall looks a fantastic bike. SL bikes are the way forward! Thanks for sharing man 👍🏻🤘
@@v1nando I know but first impression was 18 kg battery so nice joke. I think that so large battery is not necessary for light bike. The point is that assistance should be used occasionally when it is really necessary. If the bike is heavy than assistance is necessary very often.
@@chriskros8858 ok, I get the joke, I think😬…i ride very gnarly mountain trails, so need full boost mode for all the climbs, my bike weighs 25kg, plus I carry a backpack with spare battery ( I ride 40- 50km) so, I need to reduce weight so I’m not climbing in full boost mode all the time and also not to carry a spare battery💪🏻
Really nice bike, great quality video. Light, but powerful enough bike I think. The battery is interesting as it is small enough to carry a spare for all day epics.
Gett'n lighter maybe better if it can produce the Nm in boost up punchy hills on singletrack. Be interesting to see how Fazua 60 compares to TQ 50. Need 150 rear /160 front for most enduro-trail applications.🍻
It would be ideal to have more than 5 leds or bars for battery indication on a bike without a battery percentage. If your last bar is 20% it is difficult to know when exactly the bike will run out of battery and you will not get full use of the battery. This would be even more important on bikes with a smaller battery. All you need is more leds or bars or more colours on the led display.
Lovely bike... I have the hydro orbea rise... could you review some entry level bikes when new ones come out (guess bike manufacturers send you the best to review by default).... I guess that would be more relevant to most people .. Great videos keep up the fantastic work.. 👏
Looks like a pretty nice bike when I'm going to get a new one in 1 or 2 years that line will be an interesting option. My complain is not having a display just give me a small one like the one on the EP8 system, not that noticable but could give me a lot more information while riding
I always thought of Haibike has having gaudy designs that I would never consider. This one actually looks nice! I have an Orbea Rise and it would be interesting to see how this compares? I presume it is quieter (as the EP8rs rattle is super annoying) but how does that ratchet work with rear hubs? Like I spent $$ on i9 Hydra hubs but I then lose the benefit with only 52 poe at the motor?
My friend just weighed his full fat gen 1 alloy Canyon Spectral:ON before he sold it… it was 19KG… He loves his new Carbon Trek Rail, but it’s 24KG!! The eMTB marketing gods are doing wonders.
All bike got fat as they matured. A bit like me. Then realised it’s time to go on a diet! But yes, older ebikes were lighter, but had smaller external batteries, slimmer components (no 38 forks etc)…
@@RobRidesEMTB haha! It’s seems to be the price we pay for ascetics. Like most people, I want my bike to look good. Although as someone who still rides my MTB I’m not really interested in lightweight ebikes, I want full power to charge up and down hills. The idea (at least for me) is not to replicate my MTB experience, it’s something totally different. Horses for courses and all that.
Rob now first time with FAZUA - told you to check it out years before- you never mention that FAZUA has a good product. Today you hopefully changed your mind a little bit
If the Trek fuel comes out with a full fat that is just as quiet it's their market for a while , this is nice but it looks old with the chunky controls etc . I hope the fuel head designer gets the lead on a full fat
Talking about rotating the motor and using this kind of battery removal like its new tech. Whyte have been doing this since 2020 i cant beleive more brands havent caught on. Stiffer down tube as its enclosed, lower centre of gravity for better handling and still easy battery removal
Turbo Levo says 750 watt peak, but if you research it, same thing, only up to 10 seconds and steady number is 250 watts. Heat is the main problem for more watts.
pivot shuttle sl '23 on same motor/battery, might be lighter -> but you can already get the orbea rise (only 360Wh though) which can be 16.4kg but it's underspecced to get the weight down.
Would love to know how this compares to the Fuel exe and Shuttle SL! I just pulled the trigger on a new Fuel exe and supposed to take delivery in 2 weeks. Now with all these new SL ebikes coming out I’m getting a bit nervous as to whether I chose the right one😂
Maybe it doesn't, but it looks like the bottle cage will be in the way of charging port? Man, bikes just keep getting better and better, that thi g looks sweet.
I was disappointed then surprised at the end with the range extender option, looks like a interesting option. Not too sure about haibike support and service vs. other brands that would be interesting feedback.
Hi Rob, great video as usual, query off-topic though, have you done or will you be doing a video on the cycling glasses/goggles you use? looking at something decent that won't break the bank, thanks as always.
The fashion for e-bikes seems to shift some things down, like weight. It also comes with harmful looking shortcuts when you can't innovate everything in the same package. The next model is far in the plans. Good video Rob.
Great Bike going exactly in my direction, but the open vent to cool the motor worries me. Driving through water or even worse a muddy puddle would harm the ventilator, right?
Premium Haibike price should have Bosch not the too-new-to-have-a-repair-history Fazua. I do like the lighter ebikes. Batteries should ALWAYS have a visible percentage meter these days. LEDs are idiotic discount choise. (They are forcing you to use a smart phone to get actual info about what you just spent a small fortune on)
The first e bike I tried was the original fazua I thought it was really nice on a commuter bike. I was surprised how quiet it was. Having since been next to people on shimano ep8 having too listen to the annoying whirr they make I appreciate the silence of the fazua system. Is the 60 as quiet ?
Hihi just a little problem ! the price between 6500 € and 9999 € ! Crazy you become ! More than a motocycle , the same price like a small car ! Happiness for you ! a strange world you lived ! a dream for a lot of us ! Oups , sorry my Ferrari is in the street ! LOL
Super light at 40 LBS? May be a bit lighter than the rest for now but at that weight its still heavy. E-Mountain biking, while the innovation is good it still has a long way to go.
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks I am very interested in this bike ,I have been riding a Turbo Levo carbon for four years and I am very interested in this new pole ,carne west for your review thanks Rob
Gotta say, wow! Haibike really stepping up their game with this one. Hopefully their other bikes will follow this similar design language moving forward.
Why people dislike Haibike design so much? I love them and I think they look so different than most MTB, so aggressive and robust. This one looks more like a traditional MTB which is still nice but would be great to have both categories, they can coexist I think.
@@SilentKnightErik they’re definitely unique, and that’s cool. My gripe with them is the extremely high top tubes that don’t allow much for droppers. I rode an all mtn awhile back and the size large only had a 125mm dropper. That needs improvement imo
Sorry for the overuse of the word ‘super!’ I get over excited sometimes 😂🎉 eBikes have come a long way! So exciting to see these develop - 18KG, decent power to weight, 430Wh battery! Fazua system is quite interesting, I'll have way more on this system soon, as well as proper ride review vid! Cheers! Rob
Very American of you 😅
Super nice! :)
You mean word?
I think the word “battery” came up more often
Trivia:
FAZUA [fa: tsua] is bavarian dialect and means: 'move on' or 'go ahead'🙂...the company is based in Ottobrunn, southeast of Munich.
Everyone takes a shot every time he says super
/nowdrunk!
Never was a fan of Haibike's square lines but this toned down design was really nice. Seeing the size of the 430wh battery I am sure we'll get smaller 625-750wh batteries soon as well for full power bikes.
Haven't they already got 725 wh battery's
From what I’m reading on electric vehicles we’re a few years off any radical changes, but I’m hoping that by 2025 the equivalent 700 watt/h battery in my Levo will have trimmed down from 3.8kgs to 2kgs, from what I’m reading that should be possible.
Looks pretty nice mate! Love to hear about the new motor system feeling, range ect!
Nice to see someone in the industry 'rewarding' you for your efforts, you produce good quality vids and cover/explain well. Bike wise, the ability to put bigger batteries into lighter bikes is definitely of interest, and I demo'd an Orbea Rise over a couple of days a week or so ago.
Talk about upping the game. That sure is a pretty bike and I love the concept of inverting the motor into the lower seat tube to allow for easier removable battery - something the SL range of eMTB’s lack.
Hi Rob. Love your reviews. You nail the tech and gorgeous vids. Please do obvious comparison to Fuel EXe and Shuttle SL and Transition Relay (if u have one) thanks!!
Very interesting bike and a nice departure from the heavy Haibikes we are used to (my Fullseven Nine is a pig 😅). It will be really interesting to watch a comparison between Orbea Rise, Levo SL, Trek EXe and the Haibike ; how the bikes feel, motors and range, specially for sub 8k£ models.
Great video btw, not an issue for me to listen all the time to "Super" if you are excited about what you are reviewing😉
More great footage from The Quantocks. You’re becoming a regular down here.
First good looking haibike !!! 👍
Gorgeous vid Rob!
I think the TQ50 system on the fuel exe absolutely nails all the human interface stuff. The controller, the display. They're perfect.
If it had an OLED display I'd agree!
@@RobRidesEMTB it would be nice, for sure, but if you fall more towards the minimalist/utilitarian side I think the TQ fills that design language perfectly and perfectly aligns with the whole fuel exe concept. I just bought a rail 9.8 xt for my fiance and a patron 900 tuned for myself and then I started looking into the fuel exe and I've been second guessing myself because it seems to have no real downsides. However now, I'm fine with my purchases. I can see the industry is clearly going toward more light and mid assist options, and that development will also likely start blurring the lines for full power bikes as well... So it's an exciting time in emtb for sure. I can't wait to see where we are at in a few more years and what will be that final push to upgrade again. Cheers from Pennsylvania!
@@RobRidesEMTB Any chance you will be getting a new Shuttle SL for a video? Curious to hear your thoughts vs the exe
Great progress with Ebikes, like you say I think there will be a leap forward in the lighter weight bikes and hopefully improved range. I think the Trek Fuel EXE is the benchmark at the moment, can't wait to see what will supersede that..!
Super nice looking bike, its so nice to see an EMTB that looks like a trail MTB!
Mid-power its the Future.
And that Fazua energy pack looks awesome
Every time I think I have decided on my next bike out comes another pretty impressive build. The search goes on………
What have you narrowed it down too? I’ve just bought an e-bike.
@@johnlever6696 Rocky Mountain Altitude, Orbea Wild or Rise, it’s a chunk of change so I am trying to be sure this time, I keep watching reviews and going on test rides and that is compounding my problem such as it is. Good problem to have with a lot of quality ebikes out there. I snap the frame on my current bike. Replaced on warranty but I need another bike for those months in the shop.
Wauw absolute stunning! Very nice design and color combination! Next level build🔥
gorgeous bike, excited to see more sub 40lb options in the market.
Nice intro video Rob, well done
Super excited about your content as always! Sorry Rob had to keep it going 😆
Haibike leveling up! Also expecting to see a lot more fancy bikes from other mfg as well. E-bike tech is definitely in momentum - I’m betting it will have a bigger impact on people’s lives globally, than electric cars.
Ah, the return of 'Super' Rob!
sometimes i get super excited and super carried away hehe
@@RobRidesEMTB Haaa, there's a lot of 'Super' going on mate!
Great vid Rob. Saying all the right things about the premium request in the computer etc. always room for improvement hey. Overall looks a fantastic bike. SL bikes are the way forward! Thanks for sharing man 👍🏻🤘
I'd like to see one of these lightweight motors in a short travel, fast rolling 'down country' configuration they'd be perfect for...
This could be interesting, maaybe down to about 16 kg
Still waiting for the 18kg, 1000 watt battery, 110nm motor. 2 more years and I think it should have evolved!!
I'm with you there mate
What for you need so heavy battery? 😁
@@chriskros8858 the whole idea is the the bike will weigh 18kg with the battery!
@@v1nando I know but first impression was 18 kg battery so nice joke.
I think that so large battery is not necessary for light bike.
The point is that assistance should be used occasionally when it is really necessary. If the bike is heavy than assistance is necessary very often.
@@chriskros8858 ok, I get the joke, I think😬…i ride very gnarly mountain trails, so need full boost mode for all the climbs, my bike weighs 25kg, plus I carry a backpack with spare battery ( I ride 40- 50km) so, I need to reduce weight so I’m not climbing in full boost mode all the time and also not to carry a spare battery💪🏻
Really nice bike, great quality video. Light, but powerful enough bike I think. The battery is interesting as it is small enough to carry a spare for all day epics.
Nice job, Rob! :)
Gett'n lighter maybe better if it can produce the Nm in boost up punchy hills on singletrack. Be interesting to see how Fazua 60 compares to TQ 50. Need 150 rear /160 front for most enduro-trail applications.🍻
It would be ideal to have more than 5 leds or bars for battery indication on a bike without a battery percentage. If your last bar is 20% it is difficult to know when exactly the bike will run out of battery and you will not get full use of the battery. This would be even more important on bikes with a smaller battery. All you need is more leds or bars or more colours on the led display.
Very Nice Bike!
The display on the head tube I would call minimalist. I really like the simple display and prefer concentrating on the trail instead of my stats.
Ironically in low light its quite bright and a little distracting, especially in purple LED mode! I hope it can be dimmed via a firmware update.
Lovely bike... I have the hydro orbea rise... could you review some entry level bikes when new ones come out (guess bike manufacturers send you the best to review by default).... I guess that would be more relevant to most people .. Great videos keep up the fantastic work.. 👏
The Rocky Mountain Jumbotron is a really nice display. You need to get one of those to review Rob! 😎
Won't be long now for light trail bikes with a full power setup!
I am waiting four more years....then these will be really good.
This category will be my next new bike purchase. eMTB. 40 lbs.
finally light ebikes
beautiful looking emtb unlike other monsterous looking emtb from Haibike. wish they would offer solid color scheme on the lower models though
Looks like a pretty nice bike when I'm going to get a new one in 1 or 2 years that line will be an interesting option.
My complain is not having a display just give me a small one like the one on the EP8 system, not that noticable but could give me a lot more information while riding
I always thought of Haibike has having gaudy designs that I would never consider. This one actually looks nice! I have an Orbea Rise and it would be interesting to see how this compares? I presume it is quieter (as the EP8rs rattle is super annoying) but how does that ratchet work with rear hubs? Like I spent $$ on i9 Hydra hubs but I then lose the benefit with only 52 poe at the motor?
The clutch on your rear mec was in the off position and will cause awful chain slap 👍
My friend just weighed his full fat gen 1 alloy Canyon Spectral:ON before he sold it… it was 19KG… He loves his new Carbon Trek Rail, but it’s 24KG!! The eMTB marketing gods are doing wonders.
All bike got fat as they matured. A bit like me. Then realised it’s time to go on a diet! But yes, older ebikes were lighter, but had smaller external batteries, slimmer components (no 38 forks etc)…
@@RobRidesEMTB haha! It’s seems to be the price we pay for ascetics. Like most people, I want my bike to look good. Although as someone who still rides my MTB I’m not really interested in lightweight ebikes, I want full power to charge up and down hills. The idea (at least for me) is not to replicate my MTB experience, it’s something totally different. Horses for courses and all that.
Would love a comparison with the TQ motor too, power wise and noise!
SUPER 😃😉
Rob now first time with FAZUA - told you to check it out years before- you never mention that FAZUA has a good product. Today you hopefully changed your mind a little bit
If the Trek fuel comes out with a full fat that is just as quiet it's their market for a while , this is nice but it looks old with the chunky controls etc . I hope the fuel head designer gets the lead on a full fat
Great work to rotate the motor. Too low power for me but probably will be liked by many.
Good luck with the vent in the "danger zone" ;-)
Haibike I Hope I Catch Fire Too Stop You Riding Me 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Brilliant video wish I could afford one.👍👍👍👍
Talking about rotating the motor and using this kind of battery removal like its new tech. Whyte have been doing this since 2020 i cant beleive more brands havent caught on. Stiffer down tube as its enclosed, lower centre of gravity for better handling and still easy battery removal
Turbo Levo says 750 watt peak, but if you research it, same thing, only up to 10 seconds and steady number is 250 watts. Heat is the main problem for more watts.
And if you ride it, you'll see it can push much more than 250w for long periods. ;) At least my good old 2018 Levo.
Holy price O_O Wish I could just purchase the frame + motor and use my current setup instead :D Beautiful bike though
Yeah I think the old adage of n+1 has become n-house
😂
pivot shuttle sl '23 on same motor/battery, might be lighter -> but you can already get the orbea rise (only 360Wh though) which can be 16.4kg but it's underspecced to get the weight down.
no haibike-hump? no deal!
Would love to know how this compares to the Fuel exe and Shuttle SL! I just pulled the trigger on a new Fuel exe and supposed to take delivery in 2 weeks. Now with all these new SL ebikes coming out I’m getting a bit nervous as to whether I chose the right one😂
I've had the Exe for a little over a month. You made the right choice.
i got a couple rides in on my Shuttle SL. it’s fantastic. can’t wait for Rob to get one in for review.
Pivot SL looks like the best SL option but pretty pricey. This Haibike looks very compelling. The Fazua 60 looks like an incredible setup.
It looks awesome but I like a heavier bike for fast technical down hill riding and I’m spoiled with 90nm of power for steep uphill climbs
Very nice
When's the cheeb v2 test ride?
Comparison in specs and riding experience with the Orbea Rise 2023 would be very interesting
Pretty cool love a good light ebike but unfortunately mine does not matched that description as it weights 27kg
Maybe it doesn't, but it looks like the bottle cage will be in the way of charging port? Man, bikes just keep getting better and better, that thi g looks sweet.
My Orbea Rise is 16.9 kg (37.3lb). Probably battery size is the difference, but I haven't had an issue with range.
I was disappointed then surprised at the end with the range extender option, looks like a interesting option.
Not too sure about haibike support and service vs. other brands that would be interesting feedback.
Hi Rob, great video as usual, query off-topic though, have you done or will you be doing a video on the cycling glasses/goggles you use?
looking at something decent that won't break the bank, thanks as always.
That air vent looks dodgy. What happens when crossing water? Motor gets wet?
The fashion for e-bikes seems to shift some things down, like weight. It also comes with harmful looking shortcuts when you can't innovate everything in the same package. The next model is far in the plans. Good video Rob.
I'm glad they got rid of that hideous looking hump on the top tube and that weird looking subframe. Kinda like the look of it.
The 70s called. Carrera want there 'goggles' back ; )
Those glasses 🤓😝
That footage looks crispyy. What camera are you using?
That’s a very nice bike iam getting slight shades of comencal mega off the shock position. Looks much nicer than hiabikes old models
🫡🔥🏴
No videos of the 2022 orbea wild fs bike ?
sweet.
I am going to build a system similar to fazua with different torque sensor, 65nm and make sure it’s light
Great Bike going exactly in my direction, but the open vent to cool the motor worries me. Driving through water or even worse a muddy puddle would harm the ventilator, right?
I like it a lot 🤤
Sweet looking bike. I know you are busy, but... any news on the Cheeb v2?
After this maybe the Cheeb v3 could be a lightweight emtb.
CAN YOU PLEASE ALSO REVIEW AFFORDABLE E-BIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Super.
Great video, could you tell me how fast it goes on throttle only mph and how many miles you can go on throttle only. Thanks
Bella!!!! Massa skei pero'
It’s a good niche
Only 4 bikes in the world and your riding 1....that means your doing good stuff.
I want see Haibike AllMtn 1 2023 on your channel 😇
Would be interesting to compare these to my e8000 bike
Its about time to equal the price/weight ratio🤬😎
Premium Haibike price should have Bosch not the too-new-to-have-a-repair-history Fazua. I do like the lighter ebikes. Batteries should ALWAYS have a visible percentage meter these days. LEDs are idiotic discount choise. (They are forcing you to use a smart phone to get actual info about what you just spent a small fortune on)
Is possible install another shock with more travel?
Zirbel shifter copy?
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Now this is what I need. 18kg..
Edit although at that price.. eck..
The first e bike I tried was the original fazua I thought it was really nice on a commuter bike. I was surprised how quiet it was. Having since been next to people on shimano ep8 having too listen to the annoying whirr they make I appreciate the silence of the fazua system.
Is the 60 as quiet ?
Yea, very quiet. Slight high pitch noise but not annoying. No rattle that I’ve noticed.
Hihi just a little problem ! the price between 6500 € and 9999 € ! Crazy you become ! More than a motocycle , the same price like a small car ! Happiness for you ! a strange world you lived !
a dream for a lot of us ! Oups , sorry my Ferrari is in the street ! LOL
Hey @Rob can you please tell me if it has more range than the Orbea rise?
(in the real world)
Basically just like the Trek Exe
Yes but no
Range extender option?
Super light at 40 LBS? May be a bit lighter than the rest for now but at that weight its still heavy. E-Mountain biking, while the innovation is good it still has a long way to go.
please rob when will we get the review we are all weighting for pole volma !!!!!what's the hold up, please explain.
Bikes take a lot of time to test, setup, find appropriate terrain, film edit and release! Pole needs some perfect location for filming.
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks I am very interested in this bike ,I have been riding a Turbo Levo carbon for four years and I am very interested in this new pole ,carne west for your review thanks Rob