I’d recommend to anyone using this specific collar to go with the biothane buckle collar with the bungee and quick disconnect. It’ll keep the collar snug but also allow for slight changes in your dog’s neck size when they get hot or exert themselves. The quick disconnect makes it easier to have it adjusted the same each time you put it on. I was concerned it may come undone before I purchased and used it. But after using for sometime now I’ve never had an issue.
The last time I watched this video, I was new to Patreon and studying your techniques with Freddy. Today, less than a year later, I am rewatching this video and studying your techniques with Jasper! 1.5 yr German Shepherd-the progress is unreal🙌🏼
My trainer taught us to use it as a communication tool first vice a correction. I can see your method is all about communication vice correction. So many anti-aversive folks need to see what a happy dog ecollar trained looks like. "Studies show that aversives induce stress and make the dog work through fear. Using positive reinforcement makes the dog much happier and trains faster." Meanwhile here is a dog that's eager to work and learn because he understands the communication. Seriously, aversives are not abusive unless you make it abusive.
Treats are all you need to train a dog. You don't need Prong collars or collars that buzz or shock a dog. My dog is trained incredibly well and I never used anything ike that. I agree that these tools may work when they are used correctly, unfortunately most people aren't smart enough to do that or over do it. There are tons of neck injuries from prong collars because humans over do it. And I can see people thinking oh well if the buzz works good on this e collar, think how great the shock would work. No thanks.
@@karinmorris6602 Hate to burst your bubble but I;ve used everything under the sun that didn;t work until I started using the E collar. works great. To each their own. Just hope everyone finds what works for them. These videos have helped me greatly.
@@karinmorris6602 have you ever competed in any competitive dog sport? no? then your opinion is irrelevant. People use dogs for work not just a house pet - this tool amplifies that with clear communication. Your experience is not everyone's experience so no thanks Karin... Tons of injuries from prong collars???? generalizations and spreading misinformation is damaging to the community who use these tools correctly. This is simply not true and i bet your dog isnt as well trained as you say...
@@bryandasilva5318 Keep telling yourself that. You are right I don't "USE" my dog for work, I love her and she'll do anything for me. she doesn't need a prong collar because she's always by my side even out in the open fields where I live. She obeys me because she wants to, not because I'm forcing her to with a prong collar or zapping her.
Thank for sharing this. It is different than I've used the e collar, but have heard people doing it. Until now, this method didn't fully make sense! I'm going to integrate this into my training today!
Andy, for those who have never used an E-collar, can you go over this one more time in more detail for us who are not comfortable introducing it to our 4 legged buddy?
This information can be difficult to generalize because every dog is so different and every owner’s skills are so different. I always suggest working in person with a seasoned professional who can guide you. I realize this is easier said than done! I’m sure I’ll have more ecollar videos in the future, but want to be careful about putting out complex information and techniques 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I have a Husky and never trained him like that I just used ecollar to make him stop running. He loves running and the only thing he likes to do Just Fetch Never trained him to do advanced tricks but is the most obedient boy ever He grew up with 2 elder cats and 1 younger cat so maybe he learnt how to live like cats He can live alone and is shy, he just goes into defensive state when somebody enters during nighttime but when he gets that it's okay he leaves Unlike other dogs who lick people and stuff So it's about the personality
@@AndyKrueger I've tried introducing this techique to my dog but the professional dog trainer I go to group training said I should not use the ecollar for the obedience. Oh well now you just confirmed it that I can use it. God Bless you, your family and your business Andy for sharing this secret.
You have such a very different training methods and I think they are awesome. I would love to know who you did your apprenticeship under whoever this person was they did a great job. I really like your videos and I’m probably going to say this in a lot of comments on a lot of different videos but your energy rocks!
Thanks!! It’s funny, the trainer I apprenticed under 10 years ago was actually terrible haha! Treated me badly and turned out really wasn’t a good trainer at all. But don’t feel bad for me! Only made me stronger. After that, I went on a mission to become the best dog trainer I could be. I traveled all over to seminars and different training clubs. I accumulated all my knowledge and skill on my own. I mention this only to help people know they have to learn on their own, and can’t just wait for a perfect trainer to show them everything, they don’t exist! 🙏🏼 Thank you for watching and your feedback 🙌🏻
Ok, so an e-collar only comes with a vibration mode? So instead of using a clicker or a whistle that makes a sound you can use an e-collar that vibrates? Is that it and nothing else? I wonder why it's not call a vibration collar or a v-collar then? Looking forward hearing your answer... Thanks!
No, I never said it is only a vibration. This is an ecollar, not a vibration collar. I am not saying this should/ can be used as a whistle or clicker. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough in the video.
Aloha Andy from Hawaii. Glad I found you on the tube. Keep up the awesome stoke and keeping us motivated. I get my GSD JUNE22. She will be 8 weeks old! Your videos are getting me equipped. Big MAHALO!
I hope I understand it right, please correct me if I'm wrong: You give a command and up until the command is completely done, you keep giving the stim. This should motivate the dog obey the command faster. Is that right? My other question: If you don't use the ecollar as positive punishment, can you use this training you described but also at some point use the stim as positive punishment? Or you don't use the ecollar as positive punishment at all?
That is correct 👍🏻 It is also possible to use the ecollar for positive punishment for sure. BUT, it’s crucial the dog first know this system, then positive punishment with leash+collar, THEN ecollar. Using the ecollar for p.p. Can be good ONLY IF the dog is completely trained first. Too many times the dog is set up for failure then punished (off leash free roam in house/ yard with no real training) The dog will not respond well in this case bc it is not fair. If you put in the real time training obedience, the dog will respond much better to p.p. 🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger thank you very much for your answer. We have a long way ahead with ecollar, we train with prong but want to step up our game. I’m not going to rush it. We took it slow with prong and now we have excellent results with it. We train for IGP so no untrained pet dog :) If you’re looking for ideas for new videos I’d be very happy to see one about the p. p. too in sport training :) for example how you handle a dog that goes find the hidden helper sooner than he’s suppose to. In IGP the dog has to check all spots, not just the last one sooo how to use the ecollar in that situation - what stim level relative to working level, duration etc
What were you doing with the food dish and the e-collar? Was that part of the conditioning step? So if your dog knows the command to get on and off the place, what purpose does the e-collar have?
It’s been 11months since you posted this video but I hope you see this: So I live in Sweden, where both E-collars and prong collars are illegal. Vibration collars are still legal. Would the information/tips given in this video be transferable to a vibration collar and would it be an efficient training tool?
Have you had any problems with both males playing too rough? I heard a lot of trainers say dont get two males (obviously Youre a pro and can handle 2 males) would you not recommend.
I always use it when i tell a command and they dont do it so its interesting that you give a zap as u say the command i should try that also how do you turn tone on
How do you find the lowest perceived working level when introducing the ecollar stim to a young dog? I noticed your advanced dog did a couple minor head jerks from the stim-is that ok to see at working levels or??? I have some ecollar and prong experience, but I liked the way you do the intro with the food bowl! Gonna try that on my pointer pup when he’s old enough!
Good question. It’s best to have a very experienced professional present when finding a dog’s levels. But if not, the lowest perceived level on the collar I’m using in the video is usually between 5-10. I wouldn’t call it a jerk, more of a shake. The dog should act like you just tapped them on the shoulder at the appropriate level. It is definitely ok and even necessary to see some kind of reaction from the dog. But it should be minor and not affect their mindset. Like a fly just landed on their neck. This will be great for your pointer! Post a video if you’d like and I will critique 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AndyKrueger That is exactly the reaction my dog gave me on perceiving the sensation. I started at 2, then 3 and at 6, she looked at her tail. then in the air, where did it go? I then grabbed my roast chicken. stim, threw chicken. On the third stim coming to me for chicken. 21/2 years later, still regards the stim as a party signal. But, tell me, without verbal commands, how does your dog know you want a sit, down, or out? Same stim for "bite" as "out". I did not hear verbal from you. I wouldn't know how to implement a down on recall with just the ecollar, though she does them with hand signal and/ or command. Professional screwed her up. Never doing that again. But in the 70's qualified Crufts Obedience with 3 dogs, No ecollars then.
I just found out my trainer is using lvl 38 on my 15. week old GSD. He has her at a one month board and train and I was told he would use lowest settings now I found this out when I popped in for a visit after two weeks. What do you think I should do?
I would never put an ecollar on a 15 week old. If you think you need to correct/ stim at that age then the lifestyle choices for the pup day to day are way wrong.
@@AndyKrueger Thanks that's what I needed to hear. I pulled her from this trainer today and won't be going back. It was not part of the deal he said he would not use more then 6 and it was a lie.
Andy, I know this video is few months old but hopefully you'll see this comment. With this technique, how would you correct a dog for non-complying since stim is used with every command? I hope that makes sense.
@@AndyKrueger makes sense! I watched your Q&A on ecollar yesterday and really liked the "don't put them in a situation where they can fail" approach! Thank you!
Hey man awesome videos. I’ve connected with a trainer who works mals. And definitely have done my research. Now I just need to figure out a good breeder. What breeder did you use for your dogs?
Great question. If it’s a client dog (pet dog) then that means there’s a fixed amount of time I have to complete training, so the conditioning phase is rather short (1-2 weeks). For my personal working dog, the conditioning phase lasts for months. I take my time, BUT, am always progressing and making progress. Of course every dog is different, but 2-3 months is usually a safe ballpark 🙏🏼
slightly different approach, super interesting to see. just goes to show how much is all talk when you see the walk like this. im referring to those that say the stim must come before the command as opposed to immediately after. thanks Andy, as usual, love your work. look forward to the next one. good to see the subs rising.
Thanks so much 🙏🏼 I’m hoping to demonstrate how this is just a TOOL and completely depends how you use it. You can abuse a dog with almost anything, it is not the tool, it’s how it’s used. Thanks for watching 🙌🏻
I'm a little confused. Are you giving a shock every time you tell him to do a command, or is it just making a sound? I'm interested in getting one for my 2 year old shepherd, not so sure how to use it
@Andy Krueger Dog Training thx I'm looking to train my 2 year old male shepherd that came to me a year ago, and I'm having a hard time with his recal off leash if he's interested in anything, and he pulls on leash constantly ahead of me ever so slightly even when using the prong collar. Do you have any advice?
Andy, my dog is currently trained on an underground fence, would love to do positive training with e collar, do u think these 2 together will confuse him?
How do you know for sure that your dog feels the stim? Sometimes my dog feels it 6-8 and sometimes he doesn’t during the same environments and behaviors. I have the same mini educator in this video. Just wondering how for sure do you know that your dog is feeling stim
I started with a very low setting with the collar on my Dobie. I’d then turn the setting up in increments of 2 and watch for my dog to show a reaction, maybe turning to look in the direction of the contact points. Then that was it. As Andy said, it’s not a shock collar so you don’t want it set high. Our trainer had the class feel the levels on themselves to understand the feeling. Like our dogs, each person can take different levels before they feel it.
Question: why hold the stim even when the dog is in the process of obeying? You were very consistent about that.. I work it the same way, I just release the pressure at the exact moment they respond in the right direction. What's the difference? (Hopefully that? made sense )
Exactly what I was gonna comment, kinda feel bad for the dog, no matter if he does the right thing he is getting the stimulus why? He kinda seems frustrated at some points. I mean he is obeying everything with lightning speed, why press the button? And why is he pressing the button when the dog is going for the toy even though he just got allowed to take it?
@@christinehall3793 If you watch the entire video, I I explain in detail what I’m doing and why it is NOT ‘negative’. I don’t believe in pushing a button means a dog ‘did wrong’ or is ‘in trouble’. Also, just for future reference, in dog training terms Negative actually means you’re taking something away and positive means you’re adding something. So you using the ecollar to punish or ‘correct’ your dog is actually called Positive Punishment. It is one of the 4 quadrants of dog training 👍🏻
Thanks for the question. If you watch the entire video, I explain step by step what I am doing and why. The difference is the pressure is relieved at the moment the dog ‘crosses the finish line’ 🙏🏼
The ecollar is a device that delivers either a vibrate or stimulation to the dog. A shock collar is what emotional pet dog owners call it to try and make it sound mean and scary!! 😂😂
@@AndyKrueger So if the stim isn't a shock, what is it? It's positive punishment, right? You're adding something the dog finds aversive to decrease a behavior. Or negative reinforcement? Releasing a long stim/shock when the dog gives you the behavior you want. How is a stim not a shock, or I guess a better question to ask is how is it not positive punishment?
Excellent. I was wondering if you are giving stim or vibrate or tone on those commands? If you are giving stim for example on the out, Jasmin then stim continuous or just a quick pulse? Really enjoy these videos as they are super clear and concise in comparison to some of the other channels.
But you have a male and Mal's are high drive twitchy dogs. So of course you would use one. Everyone out there are using high drive dogs to show off because it looks better. Try a low ti drive dog. You would get the same results but a slow moving dog that is super hard to get excited
I actually train pet dogs for a living. Most are very low drive compared to a Malinois. It’s actually possible to create speed with the ecollar with the right training 👍🏻
Hey man love the videos! How would you recommend going about getting into owning a Belgian? I’ve been researching for about two years now and have met and interacted with several mals and would love to get one in the near future
That’s a great question! From my experience, researching online can sometimes cause more harm than good! The only real way to prepare yourself is find a trainer that has competed and titled their Malinois in a legitimate dog sport (agility, dock diving etc doesn’t count) and spend time around them any way you can. Find a Legitimate trainer before you even own the dog! Also learning how to catch dogs in the suit is also phenomenal experience in understanding the breed and preparing yourself to own one 🙏🏼
Andy - I know the educator has vibe and tone modes also. Do you use these at all for different training? OR is it always the stim button? Also if you get to this question that someone else asked, why do you use/ prefer dog's name rather then the "out" command? Fantastic videos all in all and love the newer way of looking at training concepts after seeing your videos.
Thanks! I use vibrate sometimes too 👍🏻 Vibrate and tone are the same thing. I use their name bc in the sport I compete in, you must always preface the out command with the dog’s name 👍🏻
I love your videos, I trained my dog this way, she usually responds very well, but what do I do if the dog doesn't want to come back, for example chasing a squirrel or eating junk from the floor. how do I use the ecollar in that cases? ( keeping tapping the remote doesnt get her attention in that cases)
Do you stop the stim when the dog is attempting to do the asked behavior or when he/she completes behavior? I tried my best to pay attention to when you gave stim and when you released stim.
I don’t understand y you are using the stimulation when they r completing the task u want thought u use negative reenforcement when they don’t do what I ask and release when they complete it
People who don't own or know little to nothing about BM they have no idea how well trained your dog is and how much time and effort you put in his training I own BM his 11 months and tomorrow I'm taking him for neutering 😞 but his just to alpha lol Awesome video Andy Question i don't really use social media but would like to know how much do you charge for training
The moment you said "this is not a shock collar", I immediately paused the video cause I just wanted to post... You're one of those trainers that sugar coats the "shock collar" label by giving it a different more friendlier name... FFS IT'S STILL A SHOCK COLLAR NO MATTER HOW YOU PUT IT!!!
Some constructive feedback if I may. You are clearly a very talented trainer, and I am sure you have a lot of very useful information to share with your viewers. But why do you speak like that? It's pretentious and inauthentic. And what's with the constant camera movement and weird jump cuts? It's not necessary and distracting. Just act like a normal human being. Act sincerely. Speak normally and directly to the camera. I would happily learn from you. But watching your videos currently annoying and off-putting.
@@AndyKrueger The system is exacly, any command that the dog knows start with a low stim, when the dog commits the stim stops as the first positive, and with the click release the second positive comes. I just asked it because you were stimming with the first letter of the command, and when you see action, the stim stopped..
@@benyigitkaya Yes, I understand the concept but have never taken a dog through the system. Wouldn’t the stem stopping be negative reinforcement? Not positive?
@@AndyKrueger Actually the low level stim which starts with the command and finishes with the commitment is negative reinforcement, and the stop of the stim is the first positive.
I’d recommend to anyone using this specific collar to go with the biothane buckle collar with the bungee and quick disconnect. It’ll keep the collar snug but also allow for slight changes in your dog’s neck size when they get hot or exert themselves. The quick disconnect makes it easier to have it adjusted the same each time you put it on. I was concerned it may come undone before I purchased and used it. But after using for sometime now I’ve never had an issue.
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The last time I watched this video, I was new to Patreon and studying your techniques with Freddy.
Today, less than a year later, I am rewatching this video and studying your techniques with Jasper!
1.5 yr German Shepherd-the progress is unreal🙌🏼
🙏🏼👊🏼🙌🏻
that is quite different for what i thought was the common practice.
thank you for sharing those videos.
i will watch all your videos.
Thank you, I appreciate it 🙏🏼
My 2 year old Belgian malinios is going to advanced off leash training/ e collar training with it and I’m glad I saw this. Gives me a great insight
Awesome! Good luck! 🙏🏼
You don't have an idea how much you helped me with that under 10 min video. I'm so glad I smashed that Subscribe button yesterday.
Heck yeah!! Love it! 🙏🏼
My trainer taught us to use it as a communication tool first vice a correction. I can see your method is all about communication vice correction. So many anti-aversive folks need to see what a happy dog ecollar trained looks like. "Studies show that aversives induce stress and make the dog work through fear. Using positive reinforcement makes the dog much happier and trains faster." Meanwhile here is a dog that's eager to work and learn because he understands the communication. Seriously, aversives are not abusive unless you make it abusive.
Treats are all you need to train a dog. You don't need Prong collars or collars that buzz or shock a dog. My dog is trained incredibly well and I never used anything ike that. I agree that these tools may work when they are used correctly, unfortunately most people aren't smart enough to do that or over do it. There are tons of neck injuries from prong collars because humans over do it. And I can see people thinking oh well if the buzz works good on this e collar, think how great the shock would work. No thanks.
@@karinmorris6602 Hate to burst your bubble but I;ve used everything under the sun that didn;t work until I started using the E collar. works great. To each their own. Just hope everyone finds what works for them. These videos have helped me greatly.
@@karinmorris6602 have you ever competed in any competitive dog sport? no? then your opinion is irrelevant. People use dogs for work not just a house pet - this tool amplifies that with clear communication. Your experience is not everyone's experience so no thanks Karin... Tons of injuries from prong collars???? generalizations and spreading misinformation is damaging to the community who use these tools correctly. This is simply not true and i bet your dog isnt as well trained as you say...
@@bryandasilva5318 Keep telling yourself that. You are right I don't "USE" my dog for work, I love her and she'll do anything for me. she doesn't need a prong collar because she's always by my side even out in the open fields where I live. She obeys me because she wants to, not because I'm forcing her to with a prong collar or zapping her.
@@karinmorris6602For actual working dogs like k9 unit your obese treat dog will fail every time 🤣
Intro is as amazing as the whole video .....ur helping me in many ways thanks brother
Thank you for watching 🙏🏼
Thank for sharing this. It is different than I've used the e collar, but have heard people doing it. Until now, this method didn't fully make sense! I'm going to integrate this into my training today!
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@@AndyKrueger I've been using your method for the last 2 days and I'm seeing speed increase. Not super dramatic yet but improving! Thanks again!!!
You’re charging the e collar the same as charging the mark. Brilliant idea!
Thank you 🙏🏼
Andy, for those who have never used an E-collar, can you go over this one more time in more detail for us who are not comfortable introducing it to our 4 legged buddy?
This information can be difficult to generalize because every dog is so different and every owner’s skills are so different. I always suggest working in person with a seasoned professional who can guide you. I realize this is easier said than done! I’m sure I’ll have more ecollar videos in the future, but want to be careful about putting out complex information and techniques 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger thanks again!
I have a Husky and never trained him like that
I just used ecollar to make him stop running. He loves running and the only thing he likes to do
Just Fetch
Never trained him to do advanced tricks but is the most obedient boy ever
He grew up with 2 elder cats and 1 younger cat so maybe he learnt how to live like cats
He can live alone and is shy, he just goes into defensive state when somebody enters during nighttime but when he gets that it's okay he leaves
Unlike other dogs who lick people and stuff
So it's about the personality
Again AWESOME training Andy! Thanks for sharing!!
Absolutely, thanks for watching 🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger I've tried introducing this techique to my dog but the professional dog trainer I go to group training said I should not use the ecollar for the obedience. Oh well now you just confirmed it that I can use it. God Bless you, your family and your business Andy for sharing this secret.
@@RaisingK9-y3r Thank you 🙏🏼 Wishing you the best with your training 🙌🏻
You have such a very different training methods and I think they are awesome. I would love to know who you did your apprenticeship under whoever this person was they did a great job. I really like your videos and I’m probably going to say this in a lot of comments on a lot of different videos but your energy rocks!
Thanks!!
It’s funny, the trainer I apprenticed under 10 years ago was actually terrible haha! Treated me badly and turned out really wasn’t a good trainer at all. But don’t feel bad for me! Only made me stronger. After that, I went on a mission to become the best dog trainer I could be. I traveled all over to seminars and different training clubs. I accumulated all my knowledge and skill on my own. I mention this only to help people know they have to learn on their own, and can’t just wait for a perfect trainer to show them everything, they don’t exist! 🙏🏼
Thank you for watching and your feedback 🙌🏻
@@AndyKruegerDid You apprentice in Europe Andy?
"DRIVE!!" not "energy"... lol
So thankful for your knowledge!
WOW, awesome video Andy!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
You make it look so easy sir 👍
Thank you 🙏🏼
Ok, so an e-collar only comes with a vibration mode? So instead of using a clicker or a whistle that makes a sound you can use an e-collar that vibrates? Is that it and nothing else? I wonder why it's not call a vibration collar or a v-collar then?
Looking forward hearing your answer... Thanks!
No, I never said it is only a vibration. This is an ecollar, not a vibration collar. I am not saying this should/ can be used as a whistle or clicker. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough in the video.
How were you able to get the sound in the speaker??? Would it work on a sport dog e collar?
The ecollar company makes them 👍🏻
Aloha Andy from Hawaii. Glad I found you on the tube. Keep up the awesome stoke and keeping us motivated. I get my GSD JUNE22. She will be 8 weeks old! Your videos are getting me equipped.
Big MAHALO!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
I hope I understand it right, please correct me if I'm wrong: You give a command and up until the command is completely done, you keep giving the stim. This should motivate the dog obey the command faster. Is that right?
My other question: If you don't use the ecollar as positive punishment, can you use this training you described but also at some point use the stim as positive punishment? Or you don't use the ecollar as positive punishment at all?
That is correct 👍🏻
It is also possible to use the ecollar for positive punishment for sure. BUT, it’s crucial the dog first know this system, then positive punishment with leash+collar, THEN ecollar.
Using the ecollar for p.p. Can be good ONLY IF the dog is completely trained first. Too many times the dog is set up for failure then punished (off leash free roam in house/ yard with no real training) The dog will not respond well in this case bc it is not fair. If you put in the real time training obedience, the dog will respond much better to p.p. 🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger thank you very much for your answer. We have a long way ahead with ecollar, we train with prong but want to step up our game. I’m not going to rush it. We took it slow with prong and now we have excellent results with it. We train for IGP so no untrained pet dog :)
If you’re looking for ideas for new videos I’d be very happy to see one about the p. p. too in sport training :) for example how you handle a dog that goes find the hidden helper sooner than he’s suppose to. In IGP the dog has to check all spots, not just the last one sooo how to use the ecollar in that situation - what stim level relative to working level, duration etc
Hey Andy. I wonder...how do know the puppy feels the e-collar threw all this excitement? thanks
It is very subtle!
What a beautiful dog
What were you doing with the food dish and the e-collar? Was that part of the conditioning step? So if your dog knows the command to get on and off the place, what purpose does the e-collar have?
Negative Reinforcement
What a good boy. He’s earned free reign.
🙏🏼🙏🏼
i really wanted to know where you bought this can you plz give me a link to it
Ecollar.com
Do you use momentary or continuous with the remote
This is awesome!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Great job !
It’s been 11months since you posted this video but I hope you see this: So I live in Sweden, where both E-collars and prong collars are illegal. Vibration collars are still legal. Would the information/tips given in this video be transferable to a vibration collar and would it be an efficient training tool?
Yes it would!
Watching Freddy after Jasper really shows how incredible Jasper is (and how great Freddy will be!)
Thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Mine has separation issues. What do you do when you leave home?
Have you had any problems with both males playing too rough? I heard a lot of trainers say dont get two males (obviously Youre a pro and can handle 2 males) would you not recommend.
They have never interacted. These are working dogs not house pets 👍🏻
Can u make a vid on how to use for offleash recall if in a public park ?
For example take Freddy to a public park?
Can you be more specific? Not sure what you mean 🙏🏼
I always use it when i tell a command and they dont do it so its interesting that you give a zap as u say the command i should try that also how do you turn tone on
The tone is actually from a separate box that ecollar sells. It’s for demonstrations so people know when you’re pressing the button 👍🏻
Hi great video! Thanks a lot!
What level do you set mini at ? Approximately Need an idea…. Regards
Do you condition with ecollar pressure before the command also?
There’s always a cue before the drum, either verbal or physical. But it never comes out of nowhere
Different than other ways of introducing E Collar, but very nice.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Would you recommend the dogtra 280c or the mini educator?
Mini educator
Where do you get all your tugs !?!?
How do you find the lowest perceived working level when introducing the ecollar stim to a young dog? I noticed your advanced dog did a couple minor head jerks from the stim-is that ok to see at working levels or??? I have some ecollar and prong experience, but I liked the way you do the intro with the food bowl! Gonna try that on my pointer pup when he’s old enough!
Good question. It’s best to have a very experienced professional present when finding a dog’s levels. But if not, the lowest perceived level on the collar I’m using in the video is usually between 5-10. I wouldn’t call it a jerk, more of a shake. The dog should act like you just tapped them on the shoulder at the appropriate level. It is definitely ok and even necessary to see some kind of reaction from the dog. But it should be minor and not affect their mindset. Like a fly just landed on their neck.
This will be great for your pointer! Post a video if you’d like and I will critique 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AndyKrueger That is exactly the reaction my dog gave me on perceiving the sensation. I started at 2, then 3 and at 6, she looked at her tail. then in the air, where did it go? I then grabbed my roast chicken. stim, threw chicken. On the third stim coming to me for chicken. 21/2 years later, still regards the stim as a party signal. But, tell me, without verbal commands, how does your dog know you want a sit, down, or out? Same stim for "bite" as "out". I did not hear verbal from you. I wouldn't know how to implement a down on recall with just the ecollar, though she does them with hand signal and/ or command. Professional screwed her up. Never doing that again. But in the 70's qualified Crufts Obedience with 3 dogs, No ecollars then.
@@patmunro3531 Sorry could have been the audio, but I am giving verbal commands before the ecollar and action. It is the same for bite and out 🙏🏼
Glad you ask that question I didn’t hear the verbal either. Assumed he was giving the command but can get your self in trouble for assuming.
I just found out my trainer is using lvl 38 on my 15. week old GSD. He has her at a one month board and train and I was told he would use lowest settings now I found this out when I popped in for a visit after two weeks. What do you think I should do?
I would never put an ecollar on a 15 week old. If you think you need to correct/ stim at that age then the lifestyle choices for the pup day to day are way wrong.
@@AndyKrueger Thanks that's what I needed to hear. I pulled her from this trainer today and won't be going back. It was not part of the deal he said he would not use more then 6 and it was a lie.
Thanks for the video! Which Length prongs do you use in the collar? Also, what brand slip leash do you use?
Very good questions! The prongs are 3/4 inch and the slip is from Complex Canine on Instagram 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AndyKrueger thanks!!! You’re the man!
First time I see the trainer having a higher drive than his mal...!!!
Andy, I know this video is few months old but hopefully you'll see this comment. With this technique, how would you correct a dog for non-complying since stim is used with every command? I hope that makes sense.
I structure their lifestyle and training so that they do not need ‘correction’ 🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger makes sense! I watched your Q&A on ecollar yesterday and really liked the "don't put them in a situation where they can fail" approach! Thank you!
Where and who did you purchase your Belgian from?
Hey man awesome videos. I’ve connected with a trainer who works mals. And definitely have done my research. Now I just need to figure out a good breeder. What breeder did you use for your dogs?
Thanks
Sorry I do not recommend breeders 🙏🏼
@@AndyKrueger oh ok sorry
@@AndyKrueger oh ok my bad, keep up the good work
@@Caleb-ey1ml No need to apologize 🙏🏼 It’s a policy that I implemented years ago.
Thank you for watching and good luck with your training 💪🏼
How long is your conditioning phase?
Great question. If it’s a client dog (pet dog) then that means there’s a fixed amount of time I have to complete training, so the conditioning phase is rather short (1-2 weeks).
For my personal working dog, the conditioning phase lasts for months. I take my time, BUT, am always progressing and making progress. Of course every dog is different, but 2-3 months is usually a safe ballpark 🙏🏼
slightly different approach, super interesting to see.
just goes to show how much is all talk when you see the walk like this.
im referring to those that say the stim must come before the command as opposed to immediately after.
thanks Andy, as usual, love your work. look forward to the next one. good to see the subs rising.
Thanks so much 🙏🏼 I’m hoping to demonstrate how this is just a TOOL and completely depends how you use it. You can abuse a dog with almost anything, it is not the tool, it’s how it’s used. Thanks for watching 🙌🏻
Hello where do you get your tugs from? Mine never last with my mal 😂
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I'm a little confused. Are you giving a shock every time you tell him to do a command, or is it just making a sound? I'm interested in getting one for my 2 year old shepherd, not so sure how to use it
It’s not a shock. The sound indicates for the viewer when the collar is being used.
@Andy Krueger Dog Training thx
I'm looking to train my 2 year old male shepherd that came to me a year ago, and I'm having a hard time with his recal off leash if he's interested in anything, and he pulls on leash constantly ahead of me ever so slightly even when using the prong collar. Do you have any advice?
Incredibly driven dog, are a lot of malinois like that?
Some of them, not all.
Andy, my dog is currently trained on an underground fence, would love to do positive training with e collar, do u think these 2 together will confuse him?
No I don’t think it will confuse him, as long as the training is clear 👍🏻
How do you know for sure that your dog feels the stim? Sometimes my dog feels it 6-8 and sometimes he doesn’t during the same environments and behaviors. I have the same mini educator in this video. Just wondering how for sure do you know that your dog is feeling stim
I started with a very low setting with the collar on my Dobie. I’d then turn the setting up in increments of 2 and watch for my dog to show a reaction, maybe turning to look in the direction of the contact points. Then that was it. As Andy said, it’s not a shock collar so you don’t want it set high. Our trainer had the class feel the levels on themselves to understand the feeling. Like our dogs, each person can take different levels before they feel it.
What is the difference between an E collar and a shock collar
An ecollar does not shock the dog.
Nice Work
omgggggg i need my dog to be trained like this because im lost and shes hard headed
So was you actually slimulating Freddy or was it just the audio that you was using?...
Stim
At what age do you start using it?
That will totally depend on the dog and the training of course! But my dog is almost 1 year old in this video 👍🏻
Question: why hold the stim even when the dog is in the process of obeying? You were very consistent about that.. I work it the same way, I just release the pressure at the exact moment they respond in the right direction. What's the difference? (Hopefully that? made sense )
I agree. Why? When my dogs do good I don’t hit the negative button as we call it.
Exactly what I was gonna comment, kinda feel bad for the dog, no matter if he does the right thing he is getting the stimulus why? He kinda seems frustrated at some points. I mean he is obeying everything with lightning speed, why press the button?
And why is he pressing the button when the dog is going for the toy even though he just got allowed to take it?
@@christinehall3793 If you watch the entire video, I I explain in detail what I’m doing and why it is NOT ‘negative’. I don’t believe in pushing a button means a dog ‘did wrong’ or is ‘in trouble’.
Also, just for future reference, in dog training terms Negative actually means you’re taking something away and positive means you’re adding something. So you using the ecollar to punish or ‘correct’ your dog is actually called Positive Punishment. It is one of the 4 quadrants of dog training 👍🏻
@@dominikasmiskova6452 If you watch the entire video I explain what I’m doing step by step in detail 👍🏻
Thanks for the question. If you watch the entire video, I explain step by step what I am doing and why. The difference is the pressure is relieved at the moment the dog ‘crosses the finish line’ 🙏🏼
Nice! Bro 🙌🏽
Thank you 🙏🏼
Jasper IS a badass! ❤️
Agreed! 😃🙏🏼
What kind of tug?
What whistle was used in this video?
Fox 40 👍🏻
what is that chew toy? Both my Mals would love it...
That movement
Wait so what’s the difference between e-collar and shock collar?
Does the e-collar not make any vibration or anytning like that?
The ecollar is a device that delivers either a vibrate or stimulation to the dog. A shock collar is what emotional pet dog owners call it to try and make it sound mean and scary!! 😂😂
@@AndyKrueger So if the stim isn't a shock, what is it? It's positive punishment, right? You're adding something the dog finds aversive to decrease a behavior. Or negative reinforcement? Releasing a long stim/shock when the dog gives you the behavior you want. How is a stim not a shock, or I guess a better question to ask is how is it not positive punishment?
@@lsouthern64 Put one on your hand and see for yourself 🙏🏼
How many hours does Jasper train?
Thank you brother! Fuckin' good video. Keep it up!
Excellent. I was wondering if you are giving stim or vibrate or tone on those commands? If you are giving stim for example on the out, Jasmin then stim continuous or just a quick pulse? Really enjoy these videos as they are super clear and concise in comparison to some of the other channels.
Ok I saw after that you leave stim on until action is complete. I asked because on my Garmin sport pro it has continuous or momentary for stim.
@@Zinctwentyone 👍🏻👍🏻
How much does Jasper weigh also gets tvideo
But you have a male and Mal's are high drive twitchy dogs.
So of course you would use one. Everyone out there are using high drive dogs to show off because it looks better. Try a low ti drive dog.
You would get the same results but a slow moving dog that is super hard to get excited
I actually train pet dogs for a living. Most are very low drive compared to a Malinois. It’s actually possible to create speed with the ecollar with the right training 👍🏻
why do you say his name instead or out, or leave it for the tug?
Hey man love the videos! How would you recommend going about getting into owning a Belgian? I’ve been researching for about two years now and have met and interacted with several mals and would love to get one in the near future
That’s a great question! From my experience, researching online can sometimes cause more harm than good! The only real way to prepare yourself is find a trainer that has competed and titled their Malinois in a legitimate dog sport (agility, dock diving etc doesn’t count) and spend time around them any way you can. Find a Legitimate trainer before you even own the dog! Also learning how to catch dogs in the suit is also phenomenal experience in understanding the breed and preparing yourself to own one 🙏🏼
Andy - I know the educator has vibe and tone modes also. Do you use these at all for different training? OR is it always the stim button? Also if you get to this question that someone else asked, why do you use/ prefer dog's name rather then the "out" command? Fantastic videos all in all and love the newer way of looking at training concepts after seeing your videos.
Thanks! I use vibrate sometimes too 👍🏻 Vibrate and tone are the same thing.
I use their name bc in the sport I compete in, you must always preface the out command with the dog’s name 👍🏻
Good 👌👌
Thanks 🙌🏻
What’s your first tip to get my 1 yr old to listen to me. He’s a good dog but does not listen to me. He listens better to my wife
Build engagement from the ground up 👍🏻
I love your videos, I trained my dog this way, she usually responds very well, but what do I do if the dog doesn't want to come back, for example chasing a squirrel or eating junk from the floor. how do I use the ecollar in that cases? ( keeping tapping the remote doesnt get her attention in that cases)
Why can’t she chase squirrels? Why is she somewhere where there’s junk on the floor?
Sounds like more of an environment issue than a training issue 🤔
Do you stop the stim when the dog is attempting to do the asked behavior or when he/she completes behavior? I tried my best to pay attention to when you gave stim and when you released stim.
Why stim on "yes"?
It is a play off of Bart Bellon’s NePoPo system 👍🏻
Nepopo?
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Idc what anyone says e collars save life’s.
A good malinois can make an average trainer look good.
Very true. Just like a good trainer can make an average dog look great 🙂
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I don’t understand y you are using the stimulation when they r completing the task u want thought u use negative reenforcement when they don’t do what I ask and release when they complete it
Sorry don’t quite understand your question
Aren’t both collars shocking the dog
People who don't own or know little to nothing about BM they have no idea how well trained your dog is and how much time and effort you put in his training
I own BM his 11 months and tomorrow I'm taking him for neutering 😞 but his just to alpha lol
Awesome video Andy
Question i don't really use social media but would like to know how much do you charge for training
Thank you very much 🙏🏼
The first tier on my Patreon page is $25/ month.
Going by dislikes, there are at least 8 very angry people with pit bulls that have bitten at least seven 3 year olds each.
😂😂🙌🏻
Being that i watch at 1.5 - 1.75 the camera movement gave me motion sickness but like the energy otherwise
Sorry! Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
The moment you said "this is not a shock collar", I immediately paused the video cause I just wanted to post... You're one of those trainers that sugar coats the "shock collar" label by giving it a different more friendlier name... FFS IT'S STILL A SHOCK COLLAR NO MATTER HOW YOU PUT IT!!!
No there are actually different kinds of Remote Collars.
Andy Krueger when is your birthdate ???? Love to watch your video
That’s not how they work
Brilliant
All the camera movement made me dizzy.
Some constructive feedback if I may. You are clearly a very talented trainer, and I am sure you have a lot of very useful information to share with your viewers. But why do you speak like that? It's pretentious and inauthentic. And what's with the constant camera movement and weird jump cuts? It's not necessary and distracting. Just act like a normal human being. Act sincerely. Speak normally and directly to the camera. I would happily learn from you. But watching your videos currently annoying and off-putting.
Lol
Thanks for watching buddy 👍🏻
You spent more time showing me how to work a dog that already knows what to do,.?? am i missing something?
Camera guy needs to calm down
It’s 100% a shock collar lol I used it on myself first. That’s a shock my man.
Lol adorable
Animal cruelty
@@ivanekovek haha!! 🙌🏻
No. You are incorrect. But thank you for watching and commenting
Such a troll
@@Ricki_Snow And not even creative 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 i think people abuse “animal cruelty” i guess depends on definition ???
Hi Andy, thank you for the great content. Can this method work as an introduction to the NePoPo system?
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
I’m not well versed enough in that system to say yes or no
@@AndyKrueger The system is exacly, any command that the dog knows start with a low stim, when the dog commits the stim stops as the first positive, and with the click release the second positive comes. I just asked it because you were stimming with the first letter of the command, and when you see action, the stim stopped..
@@benyigitkaya Yes, I understand the concept but have never taken a dog through the system. Wouldn’t the stem stopping be negative reinforcement? Not positive?
@@AndyKrueger Actually the low level stim which starts with the command and finishes with the commitment is negative reinforcement, and the stop of the stim is the first positive.
So i have an e-collar but dont say its not a shock collar lol it literally stands for electric collar
So ‘electric’ is the same as ‘shock’ ?
@@AndyKrueger does the collar shock at all?
@@SwiftyisThemann No not at all. ‘Shock collar’ was a phrase coined by uneducated purely positive people that wanted to demonize the collar.
Great job !
Thank you 🙏🏼