What you talking about?! I bought that shirt then let my wife wrap it and give it to me as a gift! 😂😂😂 Thanks for the shout out brothers, I always smile ear to ear when you guys mention me.
HA HA HA!!! Man you dont have to lie to kick it! We all know the wife is who turned you on to the channel!! LOL Thanks again El Capitan, we love having you around man, you get us!
5:52, it does not look like it's a boost chainring, and hub don't put the cassette too far in, so the chain line should not be the problem. But as this is a copy or rebranded Sunrace, or sunrace made the cassette for them with their design elements. I don't know which is the case. But the tooth profile, ramps, are the same or close to Sun Race, keep in mind if you use 34t with 46t cassette with Sunrace or copies, the chain will drop during backpedalling. But if you go down to 32t problem is solved. These casettes don't retain the chain as well as Shimano or Garbaruk for example. This is due to the tooth profile. And the bad shifting performance is due to the ramp and tooth design. I don't know which chain is used, but the chain can also reduce or improve shifting performance. But this chain does not look weird, so I doubt it's that. By the chainring clearance it looks like you have a pretty big chainring. You should go down to 32t, this will reduce noise and improve chain retention. But you can't make it super quiet, the tooth profile and ramps make this cassette more noisy during shifts. 13:48 the chain drop is not due to the guide pulley, but it makes it more problematic cus you have to align the narrow wide withy he chain. But that's simple to do. But backwards chai drop is unacceptable for me. This cassette is not good. And I think you need a smaller chain ring to make it work.
The chainring is a 32T but maybe a 30?? Also I will be sure and let you know how the chain retention and longevity test go over time, thank you for the valuable info:)
Im a LTWOO user for a year now. I like its performance per price ratio. All our bikes are with LTWOO kits. We can't call it a group set because LTWOO has no cassettes, chain and crank of its own. Its really responsive, silent transfer from 1 cog to the other. Unlike from my Shimano experience which have a distinctive sound when changing cogs. When shifting not under load, you cant hear any crunchy sound. You can only feel that it changes from one cog to the other. You can search for the LTWOO history. I think you'll be surprised.😊
We like the performance for the price as well. We consider a groupeset as shifter, deraileur, and cassette but we always appreciate the chain as well. L-TWOO included the chain as well as the other items and we tested/reviewed it as a complete groupset. As for cranksets, we rarely see them in package deals, but we would love that to become the norm. We have not researched the history of L-TWOO but have heard that there is some ties to Sram and they seem to have a huge Filipino following, so we are guessing that they are either made there or they are a huge market for them. Thanks man👍
I put this groupset on a friend's commuter bike and he loves it, wasn't really sure how it would do on the trails, but I'm impressed, probably replace the jockey wheels and retest it
Man its not bad! Hope it was the Ugly GT LOL, that thing needs all the help it can get:) Later BERSERKER, have a safe and happy New Years man, we need to get a wolftick fest going!
I use ax11 the first thing I replaced is also the pulleys. Just cheap aluminum sealed bearing 13t pulleys. Narrow wide restricts the chain flex required when shifting + the problem you mentioned. Almost every rd I use, I will always replace the pulleys.
Vittoria tires are great! I run the e-martello and e-mazza on my emtb. Shifting seemed good on the cassette. You don't "need" a gear indicator...you push until you can push no more!!!
Looks like that group set holds up well for the money. Must be the gold chain. That's how you accessorize to match the stanchions. 😆Tick if you grow a beard I'm going to have to start calling you guys salt and pepper. Have a safe New Year's
Good video. I appreciate the time you must have spent setting up the long shots and multiple cameras. The up shift out of the lowest gear when back pedaling reminds me of the old joke where the doctor asks a patient if he smokes after sex. If you asked me if I ever experienced the same up shift situation, my answer would be the same as that patient; "I don't know, I never looked."
I bought this exact same groupset and wow was it an adventure! Only thing not to fail was the the chain itself. Cassette: largest cogs was warped out of spec so it was hard to find an adjustment that wouldn't drop the chain and still shift into the largest cog (52t). Shifter: mysterious up-shift that would let out all the cable on rough trail, happened a couple of times. Hard to tell if my riding was more abusive, the trail you rode on looked very rough, but I also had my 4" tires inflated pretty firm and no suspension. Derailleur: lost so much spring tension by the end of hour 1 it couldn't stop the heavy cassette from feeding chain forward. The chain was flinging right off the chain ring every single time the thought of coasting crossed my mind, even in the smallest cog! I also found this group-set unusually more sensitive to backpedaling than my shimano mixed slx/xt setup. It felt very durable as a set and solid when riding on smooth road to the trail, if it wasn't for the derailleur spring and rough terrain I could see this system lasting a long time. Thanks for the all the cool videos!
Man thank you for the in depth review!! We love to hear from the nation on there experiences. Hope you continue to enjoy man, thanks again and have a great NEW YEARS!!
looks pretty good! Love the spot you tested it in.👍 You should try out the WTB Vigilante Tires I am running there cheap budget wire bead tires and they are working really well for the $.
Schwinn Al Comp ROCKS! May have to break open the ol piggy bank and get a L-TWOO AT-12 Groupset for mine. Until next year WolfTickNation Take Care and Be Well! ✌🤙👍
When I sized my 12-speed sram nx with a sunrace 11-51 tooth, I had to use an extender like that wolf tooth you used back in the day. I ended up using the entire shimano chain. I had to add +2 links for it being 12 speed and +2 links for the extender, which left me with only 1 link left to remove, so I just left it. The nx so far has shifted well, but I haven't been able to do hard riding with re-racking the drive train, so I can't speak to that. Observing the comments, it looks like the issue of jumping cogs when re-racking the drive train is common amongst the 12-speeds. Great video btw.
Gl33n thanks for watching all the way through brother:) I also appreciate the info on the links, did not now that!! LOL NOT PROFESSIONALS! Later brother and please have a safe and fun NEW YEARS!
My AX11 does that also when back pedaling, but I just figured I need to fine tune it more. The owner of LTWOO or CEO use to be head of SRAM Big Trouble in Little China division with David Lopan or something like that 😆 When they closed his division he started LTWOO. All is true except the Big Trouble Little China reference. Keep up the good work gentlemen
Beard jelly!! The L-Twoo groupset held up well. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to the Ticks abuse long-term. Wolfman is slacking on the advent beers, I assumed he finished them all awhile ago.
Man if it held up then, its gotta hold u long term!! LOL Now the beard JELLY, just might see the Tick with a little something something! Oh and dont worry, Wolfmans been working on other adult beverages!!
Awesome video , I love watching father and son work together great program you both have goin on here , watching your program has been very educational for me on all your bicycle mods thank you so much , also I just subscribed to your channel god bless the both of you and your families 🤙
Man thanks Gramps! We have a great and odd relationship:) We appreciate the view and the very cool comment. Thank you for being here and have a great NEW YEARS! DONT DRINK TO MUCH COUGH SYRUP-WINK WINK!!
Hey Adrian, now our boy Carson Brookes checked it for us on our latest roadtrip and he said infact it was BENT!! LOL Thanks for the heads up and hope it does not happen again!!
Have not yet had to size a 12-speed chain, but on both my Mtb and road 11-speed groups (XT 1x and Ultegra 2x) I run about the same amount of chain slack without issues. The backpedaling seems to be an issue for a lot of 12-speed bikes. especially bikes with short chainstays and wide hub spacing (most likely something to do with the tire clearance and therefore crank placement on those bikes). had the same problem with my older 11-speed hardtail a while back, but after some realigning of the chainring (removing spacers behind bb on the drive side) the problem was solved.
Man thanks for the input, it seems like its a normal thing for 12spds as you stated..We were lucky to have just the tiniest amount of clearence with the tires!! LOL Man sounds like you went thru a BUNCH:)
WHAT UP! Hope you guys had a great Christmas! Wishing EVERYONE in Wolftick Nation a HAPPY NUDE YEAR!!! New year... new year... new year.... :P I'm now an owner of a 3D Printer.... once I get kinda decent at it... I got a surprise coming your way (hopefully I get decent at it lol)
As this seems to be rebranded or copy of Sunrace. It would be interesting to know how the group set performs long term. Will the cogs be bent? Will teeth get sharp edges and be bent? So will you have to use sand paper to smoothen the teeth and ramps? Will there be okay in the biggest cog? So will it get a shifting shifting point after some months of riding? Thus becoming usless? That's an issue I had with sunrace 11-50t the othe tissue si had on 11-46t too. The play in the 50t was horrible, it meant each shift the next shift would not work. I have Archer d1xtrail so I can adjust each gear, so different than a mechanical system, which wire tension effects all gears. So I adjusted these gears but every time yhe shift was different. So the cassette got retired.
Thanks bud. We miss hearing from you every video. We have seen more recent video and pictures of you and dang you are growing up, you need to slow down a bit😆👍.
That trail looks like real hard work, but you did really well bro. To be honest, I can't really see the point of having narrow wide jockey wheels. I don't think I've ever lost a chain off the jockey wheel, surely the derailleur keeps enough tension to elimante this? Also I don't think it'll stay aligned properly all the time which would also cause issues. Just seems to me a bit of a pointless gimmick, but the carbon looks cool! Another great video, looking forward to seeing what the new year brings! Happy holidays guys 😎👍🍺
Very gimmicky kind of like the RS chainstay guide!! LOL!! HA HA HA But agree, the carbon is cool looking;) Thanks for the views today brother:) See ya soon man, your boy JEREMIAH! Oh and Wed there will be a viewers rides on the PATREON!!
Makes me think a 1x9 is all I need... the wide dispersion of chain flex and staying on seems to be the "weak link" (pun intended)... One can always change shifters and keep the same derailleur, right? Haven't upgraded yet...but definitely enjoy your vids!
Well thanks a bunch Jeffrey, now not all derailleurs and shifters are compatible:( It becomes a mess really fast if there is no RESEARCH!! LOL But a 1X9 is not bad, I rode all day today on one:) 11-42T
I've never personally tried out the L-twoo stuff. Seems decent for the price in all fairness. I had a 12 speed casette that used to do that while back pedaling as well. Pretty sure it was a sram GX but it was a few years ago. It drove me bonkers on the trails though!!!
I wonder how this groupsetbwould perform with a higher quality cassete maybe from sram or sunrace. Might make it alot better! Also backpedaling chain drops tend to be from a bad chain line pretty common for the larger gears on the back
Hi guys you're chain is too short and with 1x set ups chain alignment is very important otherwise when backpedaling it will drop down. Oh and by the way that trail would be the best for testing forks on
It may be a little short?? But Imma run it till it tells me otherwise, appreciate the looking out though) Also you are right, that trail is a great trail for working out FORKS! I believe we tested the X fusion Trace rc's on it?? A descent video but def not the best, its the pt 2
I run a 1x8 on my KHS and replaced the original group set (advent now ;-) ) the original ('S-Ride') would do that and the advent dont... ie drop a cog when back pedaling ... i did cut it down alot by adjusting the cam on the shifter (which does translate in moving the derailer) but that S-Ride was garb...
It's hard to say if that chain jump can be reduced with more tuning but at the price point it costs more than the Shimano derailleurs so I think it doesn't pass
I rather get Shimano m6100 sgs or m5100 sgs which is supposed to be 11 speed, but I don't know what the difference is, as they seem identical apart from Shimano above on m5100 sgs, both do 11-51T. It has a clutch. The m5100 hg cassette shifts smooth, and makes less noise. Just be careful with the plastic spaces, so dotn be brutal and try flexing them or dropping them and stepping on them. The Deore cassette works well with KMC x11 series chains. Some retailers list m6100 as 11-12 speed. Mabye the m5100 don't have as big range I don't know. I've not looked at them side by side in real life. Nor tested the m5100 sgs. But the m6100 sgs fits both 12 and 11 speed chains, it works well, the cage has enough room the teeth on the pulleys fit.
Let me drag you down into the weeds for a second. I try to set my chain ring as close to the centerline of the bike as the center of the cassette. On a 12 speed, that would be between the 6th and 7th cog, on an 11 speed, in line with the 6th cog. First I determine the frame spacing at the rear hub, e.g. 135mm and divide by 2 = 67.5mm. I then measure the cassette width, e.g. 40mm and subtract that from the 67.5mm to the centerline of the rear hub. 67.5mm- 40mm = 27.5mm. 27.5mm is how far the inside cog of the cassette is from the centerline. I then add ½ the cassette width, 40/2=20, to determine the distance of the center of the cassette from the centerline of the bike, 20mm+27.5mm=47.5mm. I then attempt to locate my chain ring the same 47.5mm from the centerline of the bike. Now the easy way: Pull the chain off of the chain ring. Place a straight rod or dowel along the outside of the chain ring and see where it falls across the cassette. Add salt as needed, bake in a preheated oven at 350 for 25 minutes. I have a SRAM SX Eagle. After I used the magic B screw adjustment tool that came with it, flipped my power link correctly (they are not the same as a missing link) and tweaked the cage, I have had great shifting.
HOLY SH**!!! I am sure Chris H?? Gave you the thumbs up!! LOL TOO MUCH MATH!! But really gonna save this science for a rainy day when I am feeling like tackling it the proper way:) Thanks for the lesson and you def drug me!!!
On a 135mm spacing rear end that 1st gear is pretty far inboard. With “boost” frames the cassette sits further outboard aligning that 1st gear cog a little better. The other problem might be the chain. 12 speed chains have little bevels and cuts to prevent this from happening. Cheaper 12 speed chains may not have them. I used a cheaper KMC chain on my SRAM 12 speed and it hated life. I finally broke down and bought the $60 SRAM chain and it worked really well, no other adjustments needed. So if the LT-woo appears to copy either Sram or shimano, you might try one of the good chains.
Could you please test the ultra budget long cage RD-M4000 rear derailleur? There is a $25aud $15usd knock off version called m4000 on my eBay. This shimano derailleur is the longest cage AND it has an in built 30mm derailleur hanger extender attached (even the knock off) I'm using it with 10 speed with great results but I don't own 12 speed shifter/cassette to test if it will shift every gear with cable pull ratios etc
Well man we will have to look into it, it sounds right up our alley:) Thanks for the idea and we will be on the lookout. Curious if it says it will work with a 12sd??
I went back to 2x. 32-22 in front. 11-36 in back. Equilavent to a 32f 51r 1x for climbing and nice tight ratios. And doesnt drop chain backpedaling. Narrow wide jockey wheels? Riding for 30 yrs. Never had a jw derail....wtf?
Yeah we might try that out for a videos idea. The Tick didn't have a actual derailleur derail but the narrow wide of the chain and the narrow wide of the jockey wheel got miss aligned while riding. He says it didn't mess him up but just bothered him because he could hear it clicking. Hopefully that clears it up a bit😆. Thanks man👍
You are running the brakes too far out, too close to the grips, but the issue with some shifters is that you can't have the shifter and the brake at the right angle and/or position, but for me most shifters won't fit me. I have my brakes positioned for one finger braking. If possible I would move the brakes in and have shifter between brake and grips. But won't fit with all shifters and brakes. You seem to have the brakes positioned for two finger braking. I never do that. Only time I needed that was with bad mechanical brakes when I was a kid. My hands were hurting I had to press hard an duse 3 fingers to be able to stop at high speed. It was promax brakes with Shimano trigger shifter rvake combo, horrible, I don't have the enow so can't test it as an adult. But my Trp Spyke were fatiguing in the start but my fingers are stronger now. So not an issue anymore but I guess mechanical brakes with a firm return spring is not a good idea for a child with weak hands.
I run one finger braking also. Even in the biggest oh crap moments, I only would ever use one finger. Two finger braking you start losing grip of your bars
Most 1x drivetrains will jump off backpedaling in 1st. The alignment is really bad and there is nothing on top to control the alignment. The derailleur controls the alignment at the bottom but it can't do a thing for the top. I'm really surprised you haven't seen this before
I had a drive train that did that and it turned out to be a poorly fitting cassette...in other words, it wobbled on the hub. I would give that a check and see that your cassette is tight. In my case though, tightening the cassette nut made no difference. Tolerance was not good.
A shit... was to fucked up to wach this yesterday so had to sleep 4 h before popping a morning beer to wach this. Bike sounds like a full toolbox being chuked down a hill. Lots of snow but might have the covid 19 so locked in at home geting shitfaced insted of riding. Its the chain length and the divas pro tune that makes the chain go of when back p...
That's what she said🤣. Sorry couldn't help myself. Yep I said the same thing in the video, but like I said it's only about a link short and the way he rides it's better than being a little longer. Thanks for the input👍
These type of carbon shifters and brake levers are very dangerous and should come with hazard warning. As the aluminium eats away at the carbon. The rider is breathing in microdeposits of dangerous carbon fibre particles. Stay away from carbon fibre for health & safety reasons
Part of the derailleur is carbon, not the shifter and brake levers. I believe the chances of any carbon particles affecting your safety is heavily outweighed by the chances you take riding a bike. Interesting how carbon fiber particles is what you chose to focus on when it comes to MTB. To each his own🤷 Thanks for watching👍
Most 12 speed groupsets will drop a cog or two when you back pedal in the bigger rings, it's the nature of them. My sram gx axs does it too.
Yes and this is frame issues
I haven't noticed it on mine, but I will try to make it happen, weather permitting.
Thanks for the input, I figured most did but since we have never really tried a backpedal test was not too sure on how to feel about it.
What you talking about?! I bought that shirt then let my wife wrap it and give it to me as a gift! 😂😂😂
Thanks for the shout out brothers, I always smile ear to ear when you guys mention me.
HA HA HA!!! Man you dont have to lie to kick it! We all know the wife is who turned you on to the channel!! LOL Thanks again El Capitan, we love having you around man, you get us!
5:52, it does not look like it's a boost chainring, and hub don't put the cassette too far in, so the chain line should not be the problem. But as this is a copy or rebranded Sunrace, or sunrace made the cassette for them with their design elements. I don't know which is the case. But the tooth profile, ramps, are the same or close to Sun Race, keep in mind if you use 34t with 46t cassette with Sunrace or copies, the chain will drop during backpedalling. But if you go down to 32t problem is solved.
These casettes don't retain the chain as well as Shimano or Garbaruk for example. This is due to the tooth profile. And the bad shifting performance is due to the ramp and tooth design. I don't know which chain is used, but the chain can also reduce or improve shifting performance. But this chain does not look weird, so I doubt it's that.
By the chainring clearance it looks like you have a pretty big chainring. You should go down to 32t, this will reduce noise and improve chain retention. But you can't make it super quiet, the tooth profile and ramps make this cassette more noisy during shifts.
13:48 the chain drop is not due to the guide pulley, but it makes it more problematic cus you have to align the narrow wide withy he chain. But that's simple to do. But backwards chai drop is unacceptable for me. This cassette is not good. And I think you need a smaller chain ring to make it work.
The chainring is a 32T but maybe a 30?? Also I will be sure and let you know how the chain retention and longevity test go over time, thank you for the valuable info:)
Im a LTWOO user for a year now. I like its performance per price ratio. All our bikes are with LTWOO kits. We can't call it a group set because LTWOO has no cassettes, chain and crank of its own.
Its really responsive, silent transfer from 1 cog to the other. Unlike from my Shimano experience which have a distinctive sound when changing cogs. When shifting not under load, you cant hear any crunchy sound. You can only feel that it changes from one cog to the other.
You can search for the LTWOO history. I think you'll be surprised.😊
We like the performance for the price as well. We consider a groupeset as shifter, deraileur, and cassette but we always appreciate the chain as well. L-TWOO included the chain as well as the other items and we tested/reviewed it as a complete groupset. As for cranksets, we rarely see them in package deals, but we would love that to become the norm. We have not researched the history of L-TWOO but have heard that there is some ties to Sram and they seem to have a huge Filipino following, so we are guessing that they are either made there or they are a huge market for them. Thanks man👍
I put this groupset on a friend's commuter bike and he loves it, wasn't really sure how it would do on the trails, but I'm impressed, probably replace the jockey wheels and retest it
Man its not bad! Hope it was the Ugly GT LOL, that thing needs all the help it can get:) Later BERSERKER, have a safe and happy New Years man, we need to get a wolftick fest going!
I use ax11 the first thing I replaced is also the pulleys. Just cheap aluminum sealed bearing 13t pulleys. Narrow wide restricts the chain flex required when shifting + the problem you mentioned. Almost every rd I use, I will always replace the pulleys.
Good to know man, thank you for the input and comment. Appreciate ya brother.
Vittoria tires are great! I run the e-martello and e-mazza on my emtb. Shifting seemed good on the cassette. You don't "need" a gear indicator...you push until you can push no more!!!
You are right! The Vittorias are a real nice tire, and SHIFTING WINDOW PLEASE!!!! TOO MANY GEARS TO REVIEW:)
Looks like that group set holds up well for the money. Must be the gold chain. That's how you accessorize to match the stanchions. 😆Tick if you grow a beard I'm going to have to start calling you guys salt and pepper. Have a safe New Year's
DUDE!! I totally thought the same thing :) The stanchions match perfect ha ha, now TOO SALTY and PEPPER would match perfectly!!
Good video. I appreciate the time you must have spent setting up the long shots and multiple cameras.
The up shift out of the lowest gear when back pedaling reminds me of the old joke where the doctor asks a patient if he smokes after sex. If you asked me if I ever experienced the same up shift situation, my answer would be the same as that patient; "I don't know, I never looked."
Thanks for that man, the setup is hard work!! LOL Def a job at that point, now the JOKE!!🤣
Tick, if you grow your beard out, it will be like the ZZ Top, Duck Dynasty MTB Channel.
HA HA YOU CAN CALL ME SY!!!!! LOL Man I tried onetime but felt like a BUM! LOL
I bought this exact same groupset and wow was it an adventure! Only thing not to fail was the the chain itself.
Cassette: largest cogs was warped out of spec so it was hard to find an adjustment that wouldn't drop the chain and still shift into the largest cog (52t).
Shifter: mysterious up-shift that would let out all the cable on rough trail, happened a couple of times. Hard to tell if my riding was more abusive, the trail you rode on looked very rough, but I also had my 4" tires inflated pretty firm and no suspension.
Derailleur: lost so much spring tension by the end of hour 1 it couldn't stop the heavy cassette from feeding chain forward. The chain was flinging right off the chain ring every single time the thought of coasting crossed my mind, even in the smallest cog! I also found this group-set unusually more sensitive to backpedaling than my shimano mixed slx/xt setup.
It felt very durable as a set and solid when riding on smooth road to the trail, if it wasn't for the derailleur spring and rough terrain I could see this system lasting a long time.
Thanks for the all the cool videos!
Man thank you for the in depth review!! We love to hear from the nation on there experiences. Hope you continue to enjoy man, thanks again and have a great NEW YEARS!!
looks pretty good! Love the spot you tested it in.👍 You should try out the WTB Vigilante Tires I am running there cheap budget wire bead tires and they are working really well for the $.
I love my trail boss tires and I think they are very similar
Yep. Vigilante front and trail boss rear works very well
Thanks for the view as always brother and Vigilante?? I think I may have seen those on Ebay....HMMMMMM??
I'm considering this group set because it's cheaper where I'm from ($114) but can't find a good review, glad I bumped into this video, thank you!
Thank you for commenting and watching! Good luck and have fun, we like it pretty good 👍
How did it end up working for ya?
2:26- If you use cheap rubber,
Accidents can happen- trail features
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Thats a good tire, like that trail!
Yes the Vittoria tires are pretty good. We got them for cheap a while back and have wished we got two sets every sense. Thanks
Schwinn Al Comp ROCKS! May have to break open the ol piggy bank and get a L-TWOO AT-12 Groupset for mine. Until next year WolfTickNation Take Care and Be Well! ✌🤙👍
We will and takecare brother, go and get you an L-TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
When I sized my 12-speed sram nx with a sunrace 11-51 tooth, I had to use an extender like that wolf tooth you used back in the day. I ended up using the entire shimano chain. I had to add +2 links for it being 12 speed and +2 links for the extender, which left me with only 1 link left to remove, so I just left it. The nx so far has shifted well, but I haven't been able to do hard riding with re-racking the drive train, so I can't speak to that. Observing the comments, it looks like the issue of jumping cogs when re-racking the drive train is common amongst the 12-speeds. Great video btw.
Gl33n thanks for watching all the way through brother:) I also appreciate the info on the links, did not now that!! LOL NOT PROFESSIONALS! Later brother and please have a safe and fun NEW YEARS!
My AX11 does that also when back pedaling, but I just figured I need to fine tune it more. The owner of LTWOO or CEO use to be head of SRAM Big Trouble in Little China division with David Lopan or something like that 😆 When they closed his division he started LTWOO. All is true except the Big Trouble Little China reference. Keep up the good work gentlemen
Will do and such a great movie!! 🤣🤣 Porkchop Express!!
Happy Holidays! Nice groups-- the split cam messes with my head like epilepsy-- Have a Happy New Year!
Thanks E-BIKE!! The split cam changes it a little thats for sure:) Now you have a great New Years as well man:) HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!
It passes! I just ordered the 11-speed version of this for my Taff.
NICE!!!!! LET US KNOW!! We have an At11 as well:) We may or may not install depending on your review!! LOL :P
How was it?
You guys are great! Happy Holidays.. from the Philippines!
Thanks man. Happy Holidays back at you.
I hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a happy New Year!
Right back at ya man:)
Good to see the AL comp getting some love on the channel. Love the episode great riding 💪🏾
Much Love Akiva, always nice to see you here brother, thanks man!!
Beard jelly!! The L-Twoo groupset held up well. It will be interesting to see how it holds up to the Ticks abuse long-term. Wolfman is slacking on the advent beers, I assumed he finished them all awhile ago.
Man if it held up then, its gotta hold u long term!! LOL Now the beard JELLY, just might see the Tick with a little something something! Oh and dont worry, Wolfmans been working on other adult beverages!!
i'd say it passes, it survived that scary trail
hopefully they improve on it
DEF PASSES!!!!!!! THANKS DADDYSHREK??!! LOL
Awesome video , I love watching father and son work together great program you both have goin on here , watching your program has been very educational for me on all your bicycle mods thank you so much , also I just subscribed to your channel god bless the both of you and your families 🤙
Man thanks Gramps! We have a great and odd relationship:) We appreciate the view and the very cool comment. Thank you for being here and have a great NEW YEARS! DONT DRINK TO MUCH COUGH SYRUP-WINK WINK!!
Check your deraullier hanger,maybe is bent.My son's bike was doing the same thing,i fix the hanger so now is working well again.
Hey Adrian, now our boy Carson Brookes checked it for us on our latest roadtrip and he said infact it was BENT!! LOL Thanks for the heads up and hope it does not happen again!!
My ax 11 downshifts pedaling a full turn backwards from 1st. Almost definitely the chainline is the reason, don't pedal backwards
Gotcha:) Everyone was wondering about it so had to make a big Scientific deal:) LOL
Have not yet had to size a 12-speed chain, but on both my Mtb and road 11-speed groups (XT 1x and Ultegra 2x) I run about the same amount of chain slack without issues.
The backpedaling seems to be an issue for a lot of 12-speed bikes. especially bikes with short chainstays and wide hub spacing (most likely something to do with the tire clearance and therefore crank placement on those bikes). had the same problem with my older 11-speed hardtail a while back, but after some realigning of the chainring (removing spacers behind bb on the drive side) the problem was solved.
My 9-speed Sunrace cassette on my Specialized does it. Think it is to do with the step as the previous Shimano never did it
Man thanks for the input, it seems like its a normal thing for 12spds as you stated..We were lucky to have just the tiniest amount of clearence with the tires!! LOL Man sounds like you went thru a BUNCH:)
WHAT UP! Hope you guys had a great Christmas! Wishing EVERYONE in Wolftick Nation a HAPPY NUDE YEAR!!! New year... new year... new year.... :P
I'm now an owner of a 3D Printer.... once I get kinda decent at it... I got a surprise coming your way (hopefully I get decent at it lol)
Man thats funny! NUDE TOTALLY!!! Now a 3D printer huh??? A FRAME??!!! HA HA HA
A friend has a mtb equiped with a 1x10 LTWOO groupset, the derailleur shifter didn't last very long. Hopefully the 12 spd shifters are better made
I hope so, our 11spd is wonderful.
Man, that trail is like all rock garden. Careful
DUDE! All rock garden LOL
im going to have to look for this group set im sold i might try a different lever though and man doing that trial on a hard tail props to ya lol
HA HA HA!!! DO IT STEVE! AND MAN PADDED SHORTS BABY!!!!!! YOU KNOW!
As this seems to be rebranded or copy of Sunrace. It would be interesting to know how the group set performs long term. Will the cogs be bent? Will teeth get sharp edges and be bent? So will you have to use sand paper to smoothen the teeth and ramps? Will there be okay in the biggest cog? So will it get a shifting shifting point after some months of riding? Thus becoming usless? That's an issue I had with sunrace 11-50t the othe tissue si had on 11-46t too. The play in the 50t was horrible, it meant each shift the next shift would not work. I have Archer d1xtrail so I can adjust each gear, so different than a mechanical system, which wire tension effects all gears. So I adjusted these gears but every time yhe shift was different. So the cassette got retired.
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I'm using ltwo a7 elite it can handle up to 11-50t cogs and I'm using it for 5 months no issue
Wow! Thats great to hear man, I cannot believe that, hopefully we have good luck like you!! Did not know they offered a A7 that runs up to a 50T
I haven’t commented in a while,I’m too busy but the videos are good as always
Thanks bud. We miss hearing from you every video. We have seen more recent video and pictures of you and dang you are growing up, you need to slow down a bit😆👍.
Happy Holidays!!!! Stay Awesome!!! I will eventually buy you guys some coffee!!!
Hahaha thanks man. Happy Holidays
That trail looks like real hard work, but you did really well bro.
To be honest, I can't really see the point of having narrow wide jockey wheels. I don't think I've ever lost a chain off the jockey wheel, surely the derailleur keeps enough tension to elimante this? Also I don't think it'll stay aligned properly all the time which would also cause issues. Just seems to me a bit of a pointless gimmick, but the carbon looks cool!
Another great video, looking forward to seeing what the new year brings! Happy holidays guys 😎👍🍺
Very gimmicky kind of like the RS chainstay guide!! LOL!! HA HA HA But agree, the carbon is cool looking;) Thanks for the views today brother:) See ya soon man, your boy JEREMIAH! Oh and Wed there will be a viewers rides on the PATREON!!
Makes me think a 1x9 is all I need... the wide dispersion of chain flex and staying on seems to be the "weak link" (pun intended)...
One can always change shifters and keep the same derailleur, right?
Haven't upgraded yet...but definitely enjoy your vids!
Well thanks a bunch Jeffrey, now not all derailleurs and shifters are compatible:( It becomes a mess really fast if there is no RESEARCH!! LOL But a 1X9 is not bad, I rode all day today on one:) 11-42T
I've never personally tried out the L-twoo stuff. Seems decent for the price in all fairness. I had a 12 speed casette that used to do that while back pedaling as well. Pretty sure it was a sram GX but it was a few years ago. It drove me bonkers on the trails though!!!
Man dont you hate finding out when you are on the trails?? LOL Thanks for the input as always and man if you can....TRY THE
L-TWOO STUFF!! PACKOCK!
I wonder how this groupsetbwould perform with a higher quality cassete maybe from sram or sunrace. Might make it alot better!
Also backpedaling chain drops tend to be from a bad chain line pretty common for the larger gears on the back
Yep. You know we like our 8 and 10 speeds. We possibly plan on trying another chain and/or cassette. Thanks man👍
Seems like a beautiful trail system out there
Man its wonderful and so are the staff at Mount Nebo:)
Chain falling off from back pedal is caused by chain line. Move the chain ring in. I never have that problem with my 12s setup.
Wow, you are the first to say that!
Wolftick and what man don't forget to register the drone
We have got to see what it weighs first to see if we need to. Thanks man.
We need a cat's meow with that bike time trial
We do need to do a updated one, but it will be a while.
Hi guys you're chain is too short and with 1x set ups chain alignment is very important otherwise when backpedaling it will drop down. Oh and by the way that trail would be the best for testing forks on
It may be a little short?? But Imma run it till it tells me otherwise, appreciate the looking out though) Also you are right, that trail is a great trail for working out FORKS! I believe we tested the X fusion Trace rc's on it?? A descent video but def not the best, its the pt 2
I run a 1x8 on my KHS and replaced the original group set (advent now ;-) ) the original ('S-Ride') would do that and the advent dont... ie drop a cog when back pedaling ... i did cut it down alot by adjusting the cam on the shifter (which does translate in moving the derailer) but that S-Ride was garb...
Gotcha and love the terminology! Gonna totally steal THAT-LOL CLASSIC X
Great video
Thanks man!🥰👍
It's hard to say if that chain jump can be reduced with more tuning but at the price point it costs more than the Shimano derailleurs so I think it doesn't pass
We can see that, thanks for the input Zane:)
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HA HA WOOP WOOP! HEll yeah, but man I tried onetime and could not pull it off, felt like a damn bum with CAULIFLOWER EARS!!! LOL
Have you tried swapping it for another cassette? Sometimes cheap cassettes does this funky back pedal issues regardless of chain line.
Man not yet, just installed and maybe a new chain and new cassette may be the way to go after a while:) Thanks Ko
I rather get Shimano m6100 sgs or m5100 sgs which is supposed to be 11 speed, but I don't know what the difference is, as they seem identical apart from Shimano above on m5100 sgs, both do 11-51T. It has a clutch. The m5100 hg cassette shifts smooth, and makes less noise. Just be careful with the plastic spaces, so dotn be brutal and try flexing them or dropping them and stepping on them.
The Deore cassette works well with KMC x11 series chains.
Some retailers list m6100 as 11-12 speed. Mabye the m5100 don't have as big range I don't know. I've not looked at them side by side in real life. Nor tested the m5100 sgs. But the m6100 sgs fits both 12 and 11 speed chains, it works well, the cage has enough room the teeth on the pulleys fit.
We will see how the groupset holds up, but we do have a deore on the SHELF!! LOL
Happy new year
Stay safe and thanks man!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
Alright... I'm gonna buy the L-TWOO A12 for real. :D
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Tick with a beard? Doooooooo it!
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Holy Rocky Road BatMan
🤣👍 It is a rough one.
Let me drag you down into the weeds for a second.
I try to set my chain ring as close to the centerline of the bike as the center of the cassette. On a 12 speed, that would be between the 6th and 7th cog, on an 11 speed, in line with the 6th cog.
First I determine the frame spacing at the rear hub, e.g. 135mm and divide by 2 = 67.5mm. I then measure the cassette width, e.g. 40mm and subtract that from the 67.5mm to the centerline of the rear hub. 67.5mm- 40mm = 27.5mm. 27.5mm is how far the inside cog of the cassette is from the centerline. I then add ½ the cassette width, 40/2=20, to determine the distance of the center of the cassette from the centerline of the bike, 20mm+27.5mm=47.5mm. I then attempt to locate my chain ring the same 47.5mm from the centerline of the bike.
Now the easy way: Pull the chain off of the chain ring. Place a straight rod or dowel along the outside of the chain ring and see where it falls across the cassette. Add salt as needed, bake in a preheated oven at 350 for 25 minutes.
I have a SRAM SX Eagle. After I used the magic B screw adjustment tool that came with it, flipped my power link correctly (they are not the same as a missing link) and tweaked the cage, I have had great shifting.
HOLY SH**!!! I am sure Chris H?? Gave you the thumbs up!! LOL TOO MUCH MATH!! But really gonna save this science for a rainy day when I am feeling like tackling it the proper way:) Thanks for the lesson and you def drug me!!!
On a 135mm spacing rear end that 1st gear is pretty far inboard. With “boost” frames the cassette sits further outboard aligning that 1st gear cog a little better.
The other problem might be the chain. 12 speed chains have little bevels and cuts to prevent this from happening. Cheaper 12 speed chains may not have them. I used a cheaper KMC chain on my SRAM 12 speed and it hated life. I finally broke down and bought the $60 SRAM chain and it worked really well, no other adjustments needed. So if the LT-woo appears to copy either Sram or shimano, you might try one of the good chains.
Man we can always count on you for some GREAT information, thanks a bunch Tech, it may be a good video if the groupset is not all that in the future:)
I haven’t seen a single 1X drivetrain with a cogset bigger then a 42T that has not dropped out of low gear back pedaling.
Really? That's interesting, I believe the Acolyte 8spd does not. But it is pretty tot. It has a 12-46T
Mt Nebo looks sweet
Man the place is HEAVEN!!
Could you please test the ultra budget long cage RD-M4000 rear derailleur? There is a $25aud $15usd knock off version called m4000 on my eBay.
This shimano derailleur is the longest cage AND it has an in built 30mm derailleur hanger extender attached (even the knock off)
I'm using it with 10 speed with great results but I don't own 12 speed shifter/cassette to test if it will shift every gear with cable pull ratios etc
Well man we will have to look into it, it sounds right up our alley:) Thanks for the idea and we will be on the lookout. Curious if it says it will work with a 12sd??
I went back to 2x. 32-22 in front. 11-36 in back. Equilavent to a 32f 51r 1x for climbing and nice tight ratios. And doesnt drop chain backpedaling.
Narrow wide jockey wheels? Riding for 30 yrs. Never had a jw derail....wtf?
Yeah we might try that out for a videos idea. The Tick didn't have a actual derailleur derail but the narrow wide of the chain and the narrow wide of the jockey wheel got miss aligned while riding. He says it didn't mess him up but just bothered him because he could hear it clicking. Hopefully that clears it up a bit😆. Thanks man👍
So beautiful there.
Al you should see it when the leaves start to change brother. That mountain is gorgeous 😍
You are running the brakes too far out, too close to the grips, but the issue with some shifters is that you can't have the shifter and the brake at the right angle and/or position, but for me most shifters won't fit me. I have my brakes positioned for one finger braking.
If possible I would move the brakes in and have shifter between brake and grips. But won't fit with all shifters and brakes.
You seem to have the brakes positioned for two finger braking. I never do that. Only time I needed that was with bad mechanical brakes when I was a kid. My hands were hurting I had to press hard an duse 3 fingers to be able to stop at high speed. It was promax brakes with Shimano trigger shifter rvake combo, horrible, I don't have the enow so can't test it as an adult. But my Trp Spyke were fatiguing in the start but my fingers are stronger now. So not an issue anymore but I guess mechanical brakes with a firm return spring is not a good idea for a child with weak hands.
I run one finger braking also. Even in the biggest oh crap moments, I only would ever use one finger. Two finger braking you start losing grip of your bars
Like I said, the mounting is a little weird due to the brake lever setup...The shifter cannot sit flush against them.
I think for trail is use ltwoo tx not ax, cause its has shield...
I just got a 12w speed so I’m not an expert but I think it’s fine because you have to do so many backward revolutions for th chain to fall off
We agree man, 1 or 2 while riding is about what we could expect to back pedal.
Most 1x drivetrains will jump off backpedaling in 1st. The alignment is really bad and there is nothing on top to control the alignment. The derailleur controls the alignment at the bottom but it can't do a thing for the top. I'm really surprised you haven't seen this before
Agree 100% We have seen this plenty of times but never made it a topic of discussion😉. Thanks man👍
I had a drive train that did that and it turned out to be a poorly fitting cassette...in other words, it wobbled on the hub. I would give that a check and see that your cassette is tight. In my case though, tightening the cassette nut made no difference. Tolerance was not good.
Hmmm... we may take a look at that man, thanks and did not think about that...
Did you size the chain? It looks too loose...
12:18 We talk about it. I actually think it's a bit tight.
😎🙏 cray trail ,
Yes it is for sure. Thanks man👍
I have zero faith in that chain not stretching and slipping higher gears after some sprints.
Man you may be right :) But we shall all find out!!
My deore setup drops a gear if your in 1st and back pedal too
Nice:) Well not NICE but you know what I mean, thanks for answering the Question CHRIS H??????
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Try a bigger jockey wheel
Do you think it would help anything?
A shit... was to fucked up to wach this yesterday so had to sleep 4 h before popping a morning beer to wach this. Bike sounds like a full toolbox being chuked down a hill. Lots of snow but might have the covid 19 so locked in at home geting shitfaced insted of riding. Its the chain length and the divas pro tune that makes the chain go of when back p...
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12:30 that bike looks mean
👍 Thanks MTB Alex, have a safe and happy New Years man!!
Your chain is to short,
That's what she said🤣. Sorry couldn't help myself. Yep I said the same thing in the video, but like I said it's only about a link short and the way he rides it's better than being a little longer. Thanks for the input👍
These type of carbon shifters and brake levers are very dangerous and should come with hazard warning. As the aluminium eats away at the carbon. The rider is breathing in microdeposits of dangerous carbon fibre particles. Stay away from carbon fibre for health & safety reasons
Part of the derailleur is carbon, not the shifter and brake levers. I believe the chances of any carbon particles affecting your safety is heavily outweighed by the chances you take riding a bike. Interesting how carbon fiber particles is what you chose to focus on when it comes to MTB. To each his own🤷 Thanks for watching👍