I bought mine this afternoon (( a Twin )) it will be here on the 25th, today is 5/20/2022 .. I'm already very happy & my Strat & Tele are happy also... It's nice to live alone unsupervised at 68yrs old times are good ....
I'm not sure who you're referring to, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Gibson. However, ever since the shake-up of the leadership, I believe they 'righted the ship'. Cesar Gueikian as the Brand President has made fantastic changes to the line. After 33 years of trying to buy a new Les Paul (ended-up with PRS Singelcuts which never scratched that itch I had). But when the the CEO, Juszkiewicz stepped down (fired IMO) and JC and Cesar took over, it has been a transformation. After seeing all these great reviews of the new line of Originals, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 60's Les Paul Standard. Man, I sure love that guitar. $2499 across the line of the Original collection of LP Standards - a much more sensible price for the masses. Heck, a nice LP Special is something like $1500. These prices make a lot more sense, but, most importantly, the quality is spot-on. Hangs right there with my PRS Singlecut. Actually it exceeds it when you factor in - nitro finish, perfect binding, and better tuners. Finally, a Les Paul I am proud and happy to own.
I have a very satisfying amp right now but after this video, I wish these were available when I was in the market. These amps look and sound terrific. I went to my local music store and took my Gretsch guitar and found the Deluxe sounded amazing. Kudos to Fender.
I just love the voice of the Twin, but there is also something about the slightly darker sounding Deluxe. I want them both! Can't wait to test these out. Looks like Fender has done a great job with these amps.
The peavey valveking 2 amps have had all the same features xlr out with cab simulation and speaker defeat and ground lift, usb direct out, and attenuator for years and costs way less but has real 6L6 or EL34 tubes in them. Maybe Fender should just release a real deluxe or twin with these same features instead of trying to pawn off solid state as tube. We all know there is no solid state modeling amp that can reproduce tube sound, yet fender keeps claiming they've done it every few years. Also neodymium speakers are fairly cheap if your tube amp is too heavy. Not sure why fender doesnt just update their tube amps to include these modern features.
Played the twin and the deluxe reverb. Holy shit sounds fantastic. A lot of ex musicians are really going to get back to music because of these two utility amps!
I love watching this guy… He’s so informative and brilliant in my opinion and a great player as well. I’m still in love with the mustang IV from 11 years ago that I play more than any other amp that I have. One of the bands that I follow locally, the guitar player who doubles as a steel player in the band now uses the twin reverb to play through and it’s ultralight and has fantastic sound.
I’ll jump in on the suggestions.... how about a 15” Vibroverb? Admittedly, I initially thought they were going to be reissuing the Tone Masters of yesteryear... but this is outstanding. The only thing stopping me from getting a Twin was volume and weight and both have been resolved. Great job of presenting Sweetwater!!
I love playing through aTWIn at backline gigs and rehearsal studios. I NEVER even considered owning one cause of volume and weight, TM changed that I love the twin that I got recently.
i love my TM twin - except for the DI - it needs lots of EQ to get it sounding on par with the mics it imitates, particularly tape like high Hz hiss that does not come from my SM 57 but needs to get Eqed out of the DI in mode 2. Has this been corrected in any of the firmware updates?
Thanks to Alex Campos for helping and advising me to buy a Tone Master Super Reverb last December 2021. I love it! It sounds and reacts just like the '67 blackface but new feautures make it a lot more convenient to gig with. Chuck, Alex is doing a great job.
Michael Belloni yeah mine was delivered a while ago and I compared it to my peavey classic 50 and my friends tube twin reverb. It’s everything they say it is. It’s the only amp I use now.
I can’t wait to try out a twin. I love my deville but am sick of dragging it around. No more packing extra tubes and lighter weight is such a plus. These amps weigh as much as the speakers (Eminance Governors) in my Deville!
This is a 100% no BS demo and presentation of these amps. I can't find a bad demo or review of them, and I am a tube purist who has been constantly disappointed with modeling amps. My curiosity is piqued.
@Luke Great question. I am exceedingly happy with the amp. I love the grab-and-go nature of it. Cleans are amazing. But what I have found, mostly with my HB guitars and my clean boost that is always on with my tube amps - well, the amp does not seem to like that hot signal. So my workaround has been to keep the amp at full power, play through the Normal channel (for some reason, it sounds better to my ears, and I rarely use trem or reverb, just my delay. On my OD pedals (I often run two in tandem), I set them just a little below unity gain and make up for it with more volume on the amp. I'm enjoying it, and it'd my go-to amp about ummm...maybe 60% of the time. Were I to do it over again? I'm not sure. I have everything I need with it, but I would be curious to play my Les Paul through an actual Dlx, with my clean boost on, and all my other pedals set the way they're set for my tube amps and see how the amp reacts. I suspect the tube version would handle that hot input a little better. That's all I can think of. I am absolutely, perfectly happy with the amp. Family and friends can't tell that it's not a tube amp.
@@benallmark9671 @Ben, your timing is impeccable. I'm sitting here rotating from Les Paul, Korina V, new Strat Pro 2, 2000 Strat Dlx w/ Fralins (Woodstock '69s), 2021 SG 61 RI, and as I'm winding down the volume (wife's making dinner) from my 4x12, I jumped straight to the DR Tonemaster. It was set at last night's .2 watts, and I now, this very moment, have it 2-3 clicks below full throttle - 22 watts. Vol 2.3, treble 7.1, bass 6, reverb 4. I'm using both my Keely modded TS9, and Wampler Plexi-Drive. Man, I don't know what I would do without this TM. It's both one of my favorite day amps, but at night? The attenuation is the single best amp feature I've ever had in 45 years of playing. I'm looking at my 20w Marshall w/ 2x12, and an old V32 Crate head (just a fun experiment I just got as I recall liking the clean tones of them.
These amps do sound really good but they’re not quite there yet. I listened side by side and the tone masters still have a low-end boomyness and over-compression in crunch. I’m not knocking it because they still sound very good and in a live situation, these are VERY idea but when mic’d up for recording in a studio with a beautiful, sweet royer and a 57, you can definitely tell. They don’t breathe as openly as the real thing. The reverb and virbrato are super legit!
This amp is going to be great for gigging musicians. I’m sure a lot of the hate is coming from bedroom cork sniffers. The audience doesn’t care if you are playing through a tube amp...
That’s the truth. These are built for guys who are actually gigging regularly. All the guys who are complaining they could get a tube twin for less are completely missing the point of this amp.
yep , you're right about that , let those bedroom cork sniffers jerk off on there new boss katana mk ll ( a cheap shitty amp with way to much options that you have to set up with you're pc/laptop , totally not usable on a real stage when you're playing in a local pub ) , i bought the tm deluxe a few days ago , and i'm very happy , i can leave my expensive usa handmade tubeamp ( 3rd power wooly coats spanky mk ll = fender princeton type ) at home now , and take this tm deluxe for a ride , yeehaw , thanks fender , that said , i am keeping my tubeamp , it just sounds to good to sell , but for gigs/practice/band the tm deluxe is more than good .
ok, sir..... i'll be a bedroom cork sniffer b4 i fall for a ss twin reverb at 1000$...... btw, they tried this in the 60's and it was a disaster.... i see one 2day on craigslist ate 500 w/ no takers.... br warned
Is there a '59 Bassman or a 4-10 Super Reverb in the future? Or maybe a 2-10? I still use my 1994 Princeton Chorus live, regularly. It sounds great & it's fairly light weight too. (25 yrs 100's of gigs & no problems ever.)
same cat with Tom Wheeler for my Cyber Twin. maybe these amps are basic where they'll last. My CT still works but i haven't gigged it in over 10 years. Rest In Peace Tom.
Peavey tried this with Transtube 20 years ago. Modeling sounds at first good but it always leaves you flat. Just start building good tubes again. Music was more important when the equipment was simple
The Peavey Valveking 2 amps have all these same features and more like an effects loop and usb out but with actual tubes, maybe fender should just release the actual tube versions of these amps but with modern appointments and neodymium speakers, no amp tech will be able to work on these either because it will require special software and computer engineering skills.
Love the concept as well but you can buy the tube versions used for less. The lightweight and the power scaling built in are the main reason I feel anybody would buy these and if I didn't just get a limited edition 65 Princeton Reverb I would certainly look into one of these. I hope these do sell well enough that they make versions of a few other amps such as in fact the Princeton.in an ideal world I'd love for them to put power scaling on all of their amplifiers and this doesn't just go for Fender. Gigs are being played on smaller stages amps do not need to be as loud as musicians are using in-ear monitors.
They could and probably will when their direct competitors start adding attenuators, meanwhile you can buy something like the tone king ironman attenuator, its almost 500 bucks though, its very accurate does not fuck up the tubes and sounds amazing on bedroom level, there are more expensive brands but I would rather buy a princeton or a deluxe and add in another 500 bucks for an attenuator if i have the money than buying something digital as this even if it sounds convincing, in a couple of 2 or 3 years there would be probably something like an 'update' I would imagine and thats just not for me but I will try it out! cheers
agreed, I have the twin and I have a tube Princeton 65, if they made a TM Princeton that weighed 10 pounds, had the DI and the power scaling then they get more of my money....
Maybe it's just staying as true as possible to the original while using digital, but don't understand why they didn't add an effects loop? Sounds great in the right hands though.
There is a lot to like about the idea- do one thing and do it well. No effects loop is a huge oversight. Also, these are throw away technology. When Fender stops supporting them, techs will not be able to service several aspects of the amp. I can keep the tube amps going for my lifetime.
Maple Valley Sound Room Better: XLR balanced output, which is useful for creating a silent stage or recording sets without a mic. Two onboard cab IRs (impulse responses) give you a direct feed out to a soundboard. Alternatively, a flat-response option provides seamless integration with your existing IRs. There's also a ground switch and level control for noise reduction and proper gain staging.
@@roblarson9065 I was hoping for a USB or other highspeed digital output for direct connection to computer for recording to DAWs and editing purposes like the Fender FUSE software
Thing is: Will they hold up under the rigors handed out by a hard working weekender; and how long will those (knowing Fender) cheap innards last? On the PLUS side: lighter amps mean healthier backs, over the long haul ... get it ... "haul"? You want to avoid all forms of Spinal Stenosis, at all costs ... trust me, I know.
i've had several handmade tube amps the last 40 years and did have issue's with tubes breaking down , so no matter how good the amp is , a tube can/will fail after a certain amount off time , besides that there's the fact you have to go to some so called expert to get the amp rebiased . Sadly fenders hotrod tubeamps series are good sounding but badly made amps with cheap parts , So now i bouht a tm deluxe , i just hope fender did not cut to many corners while making this , for the price you might expect some good parts being used in this one . it can't be the labor cost since it's made in china . My bad back is very happy with my latest purchase though , haha .
The tone was good on the Cyber Twin but they were heavy and many thought too complicated. A Twin weighing 30 lbs is great for a gigging muscian. I'm sure there was a large engineering cost but I think for these to be successful in the market the price is going to need to drop. I have talked to a couple of people that have tried them and they were very impressed with the tone and feel.
I must say that I agree with you. The Tonemasters sound great! But the price point has to come way down! Come on Fender it’s a Chinese made solid state digital amp! You can get a great sounding Fender Champion 100 1x12 for €300. And the price of the Deluxe is almost the price of a real Custom Deluxe. If it does come down I might get one to go along side my valve/tube amp. But where the price is now.... No way!
@Luke Not at all. I certainly still believe that. I’ve always said that the Tonemasters sound great, but for what it is a Chinese made solid state digital amp the price is very high. And the resale prices in a few years from now will be horrible compared to the real thing... remember the Fender Cyber amps....
They probably shouldn't compare it with the tube Fenders as much as they should compare it with other modeling amps. I'm sure the Tone Master is great, but is it better than, say, the Boss Nextone, or the Fractal and Line 6 units, or even the Kemper?
Smurfman256 it’s the age of the hand-made clones, no doubt. The offerings the big names are putting out there are sterile at best! And modeling is coming to let everybody knows that once that motherboard goes your whole amp is dead on the water bye bye investment. If you have a thousand bucks for one of this... maybe you can save a little bit and get yourself a Victoria amp or something along those lines, imo.
Hey, Jonathan! You technically can do that with these, but it won't sound the same and you may run in to phase issues, so it's not recommended. If I can help you with anything else, feel free to get in touch with me directly. Thanks for the question! Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222 4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
If these are the same as their tube counterparts, and I believe they are, then you cannot jump the channels as you would on a four input Bassman or Marshall. The two channels are out of phase with one another.
@@roberthurless4615 ya, but you can get around the phase issue. I was inquiring if they were two separate channels. A lot of people jump channels on twins and deluxe reverbs. Radial makes the big shot aby switch that has a phase reverse on it and there are other switches with that feature.
Not going to cork sniff this amp.I'd have to play one first hand before I'd consider shelling that much out for one though.Especially something that may or may not have had all the bugs worked out yet.Not really had the best experience with digital amps that update firmware(cough..cough.. Blackstar..).I do wish they would have kept an actual spring reverb unit with it and just went digital with the tones and tremolo.The 30 year old stage 112 I have is ss but has an excellent little spring reverb tank.There is probably a new amp purchase in my future.. I believe the closest guitar center has some of these in.May go check them out.. could always buy one and take it back if it doesn't cut it.
don't try it , you will will buy it , i did ! i'm a hardcore tubesnob ,but a could not resist myself , and don't worry about the reverb , it's awesome ! fenders rd department has bin working/developing for 3 years to get this right so i'm not that afraid for any bugs . a happy fender tm deluxe owner
@Luke hello i have seen you're comments in this thread , don't worry , it's an solid "real deal " amp wich sounds just as good as all the "overhyped " tube amps , and if you buy an behringer P1 ( wich will cost about 50 euro , instead off the 700 euro for a 2 notes captor or 1300 euro for an ox box that you need to practice silent with an tube amp ) along with it , you can also practice with headphones , sounds great and the neighbours will like you a lot more : ) , also the direct out sounds great on this amp , wich is often a weak spot on others amps i have tried , so yeah , all in all , it's an perfect amp and there is good reason for so many people liking it . Enjoy : )
I gotta say the idea of an amp that I don’t have to crank up to window rattling volume to get good tones out of. Sadly I already have tube versions lol.
Do the 85 watts give as much spl as a real twin? I sold 2 of them because of back injuries. If so, it will be my next amp. Also, can you just buy the head? Thanks.
My problem is that for $200 more I can have the real thing in a tube amp. All that extra electronic will fail somewhere along the line it always does that's why I have a twin reverb tube ... it has never failed me!!!
@@ChrisEffort The whole idea behind the concept of this amp is that it reacts, feels and works like a tube-amp. It is also possible to overdrive this amp by cranking the volume just like you would do with the tube version Fender Deluxe. Most players don't want their digital reverb, delay or chorus effects before a distorted amp. The only way to use time based effects with this amp is to keep it clean sounding and get overdrive/distortion from a pedal. Which most people also do when they use a tube powered Deluxe or Twin reverb because they don't feature an effects loop either. Because of the way how Fender Tone Master Combo Amplifiers function it would be easy to incorporate an effectsloop before the poweramp. The Tone Master Deluxe Reverb amplifier uses massive digital processing power to achieve a single remarkable sonic feat: faithfully modeling the circuitry and 22-watt power output of an original Deluxe tube amp. Using a high-performance 100-watt digital power amp to achieve the headroom and dynamic range of a real vintage Deluxe tube amp.
I had invested in some Quilter amps a few years ago. I found them all sterile by comparison to the valve counterpart. Even my Roland blues cube slaughtered the Quilter for tone and authentic valvey vibe. However, I'd be at least prepared to try these Fender offerings. My real concern is how good the Class D component parts are to generate the power, as they seemed to cause problems in all but one of my Quilters. If those parts are cheap Chinese electronics, Fender is screwed further down the road.
Wait till those processors and power amps start failing and no amp tech will be able to repair them or access fender's software and since we all know fender won't support them very long they will be headed to the landfill or retrofitted with a tube amp chassis.
Not bad, I'll keep the 22w reissue though. As for weight and tone, the monoprice 15w tube amp, which cuts to 1w, is still gonna give this thing all the competition it can take, and for $600 less!!
Agree with some people here, kind of nice amps but too expensive for what they are. Maybe a 15 watt tube amp with some low 4 watts switch or something would be better.... I don’t like the same name and look as the tube versions either, it’s like my real twin is not cool anymore
I would have thought the Super Reverb was the one for this treatment. Over priced imo and no doubt most will wait for prices to drop. The concept is good fender and the power scaling and di useful. But you got your pricing wrong on these.
To my ears, there's not a whole lot of dynamic range to the way the amp sounds. It sounds too compressed. Sure they get the timbre of how tube amps sound kinda right, but there are other factors in what makes a tube amp sound the way it does. This amp has its advantages but it does that thing where the attack of the note is almost too articulated which is a common thing that I hear on solid state amps, especially digital modelling amps such as this one. There are a lot of great solid state amps, including bass amps. But this is a digital modelling amp that models one amp. While it does do a good job, it's not perfect and I'd rather go for the tube version that this amp is trying to model. To be fair, I'm listening to this on a solid state class D powered speaker system as all of you are too and I haven't played through the amp yet. When I do, I imagine it'll play and feel like every other digital modeling amp. Fender is onto something with this amp though.
Components are made in China (as they are for everything) and the cabs are assembled in Mexico. If they were made in the US they would cost a couple grand and who can say if there would be a quality upgrade.
I'm sure these are good, but aside from the weight savings, why buy it to only save $200? They should be priced about half the price of the tube version.
Alexander Vickers just because we have progressed in technology doesn’t mean we will progress into the far and distant future, there are limits. Maybe quantum computers will take us to the next level, but I think we’re running out on silicon wafers
Yeah new amps sound great but they're only simulating what tube amps always sounded like Plus the retail sales of a tube amplifier probably better fender we're saying this when they came out with the Cyber twin amplifier
Fender is back once again to tell us they've designed an amp that replaces tube amps. Seems like they do this every 2 or 3 years, we all know that it's never true. Cyber twin anyone? Wait till the first one fails and you take it to an amp tech to repair it, "um sir, I work on tube amps, i'm not a computer programmer and fender no longer supports this hardware or software. Would you like me to recycle it for you? We carry actual tube amps to your left sir."
I owned a cyber twin and over time, I became less impressed with its tone and wished I’d bought something else with all that money. Got a feeling this would be the same.
Transistors are ok for bedroom noodling. But transistors don't have dynamic range, not a new shortcoming. That's why i carry heavy amps, not for my back which is shot from years lugging Vibrolux Reverb 2x10 40w, tube reverb and vibrato. Solid state reverb in a bar gig is useless. Fender counting on most weekend warriors don't work, wont ever know. Overtones, not overdrive, overtone, that's when several tones combine for unique new tone, you need tubes to experience the dynamic range to get that. Think about ZZ Top Sharp Dressed tone, those are Overtones, can't get it with solid state, oh well, look like another technology step down will be forced on us.
It’s a great sounding completely solidstate amp... there are many options on the market for this now from every major manufacturer and most offer more versatility (amp models, and effects) like boss for less money and also many offer an effects loop... seems overpriced... they would probably sell a lot of these if they knocked a couple hundred off the price.. $900 is way too much, could buy better amp software for your computer that has these models and much more for a couple hundred bucks.. guess these are marketed towards gigging musicians that like deluxe reverbs and twins and have enough dough to buy another...
yes, except my boss katana 100w mk ii, for instance, did everything great except could not translate any of the tones from my fender strat am pro ii. everything basically sounded like it was the humbucker down at the bridge. and trying to get someone at roland to answer the damned phone to advise was useless.
I bought mine this afternoon (( a Twin )) it will be here on the 25th, today is 5/20/2022 .. I'm already very happy & my Strat & Tele are happy also... It's nice to live alone unsupervised at 68yrs old times are good ....
To the current management of Fender, thank you for being good custodians of a great, old, American brand (unlike some people).
I'm not sure who you're referring to, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Gibson. However, ever since the shake-up of the leadership, I believe they 'righted the ship'. Cesar Gueikian as the Brand President has made fantastic changes to the line. After 33 years of trying to buy a new Les Paul (ended-up with PRS Singelcuts which never scratched that itch I had). But when the the CEO, Juszkiewicz stepped down (fired IMO) and JC and Cesar took over, it has been a transformation. After seeing all these great reviews of the new line of Originals, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 60's Les Paul Standard. Man, I sure love that guitar. $2499 across the line of the Original collection of LP Standards - a much more sensible price for the masses. Heck, a nice LP Special is something like $1500. These prices make a lot more sense, but, most importantly, the quality is spot-on. Hangs right there with my PRS Singlecut. Actually it exceeds it when you factor in - nitro finish, perfect binding, and better tuners. Finally, a Les Paul I am proud and happy to own.
These things sound great! Looking forward to hearing one in person.
I have a very satisfying amp right now but after this video, I wish these were available when I was in the market. These amps look and sound terrific. I went to my local music store and took my Gretsch guitar and found the Deluxe sounded amazing. Kudos to Fender.
I just love the voice of the Twin, but there is also something about the slightly darker sounding Deluxe. I want them both! Can't wait to test these out. Looks like Fender has done a great job with these amps.
I absolutely LOVE the concept behind these. Just wish they were priced a little more affordably.
YES... you can get a used reissue for cheaper but the power scaling and direct-out features on these amps is worth the switch.
The peavey valveking 2 amps have had all the same features xlr out with cab simulation and speaker defeat and ground lift, usb direct out, and attenuator for years and costs way less but has real 6L6 or EL34 tubes in them. Maybe Fender should just release a real deluxe or twin with these same features instead of trying to pawn off solid state as tube. We all know there is no solid state modeling amp that can reproduce tube sound, yet fender keeps claiming they've done it every few years. Also neodymium speakers are fairly cheap if your tube amp is too heavy. Not sure why fender doesnt just update their tube amps to include these modern features.
@@Spittin_Bars yeah, but theres tube maintence and for gigging musicians the weight plays a huge factor.
Played the twin and the deluxe reverb. Holy shit sounds fantastic. A lot of ex musicians are really going to get back to music because of these two utility amps!
This guy a seriously good pitchman. I felt a spontaneous pulling on my wallet while watching this!!
Well that's why he has been employed by a corporation such as Fender who are masters at making $$$ lol
whether pr not he knows about tone is another question.... my 2cents? get a real amp and don't fall for this ss crap
I love watching this guy… He’s so informative and brilliant in my opinion and a great player as well. I’m still in love with the mustang IV from 11 years ago that I play more than any other amp that I have. One of the bands that I follow locally, the guitar player who doubles as a steel player in the band now uses the twin reverb to play through and it’s ultralight and has fantastic sound.
I’ll jump in on the suggestions.... how about a 15” Vibroverb? Admittedly, I initially thought they were going to be reissuing the Tone Masters of yesteryear... but this is outstanding. The only thing stopping me from getting a Twin was volume and weight and both have been resolved. Great job of presenting Sweetwater!!
I love playing through aTWIn at backline gigs and rehearsal studios. I NEVER even considered owning one cause of volume and weight, TM changed that I love the twin that I got recently.
These amps are the future. Fender are true pioneers. You are going to see valve amps slowly but surely fade away.
Don’t kid yourself- that sounds fantastic.
it sounds great for a solid state amp, lacks the warmth and harmonics of a tube amp, sounds thin and sharp to me
i love my TM twin - except for the DI - it needs lots of EQ to get it sounding on par with the mics it imitates, particularly tape like high Hz hiss that does not come from my SM 57 but needs to get Eqed out of the DI in mode 2. Has this been corrected in any of the firmware updates?
I just got a Deluxe. to replace 3 Roland Cube 80XL's and A Traynor YCV40. Love it Fender
Thanks to Alex Campos for helping and advising me to buy a Tone Master Super Reverb last December 2021. I love it! It sounds and reacts just like the '67 blackface but new feautures make it a lot more convenient to gig with. Chuck, Alex is doing a great job.
I’m getting one. In person they sound just like the tube version and they’re 500 dollars less than a new tube twin.
Michael Belloni yeah mine was delivered a while ago and I compared it to my peavey classic 50 and my friends tube twin reverb. It’s everything they say it is. It’s the only amp I use now.
but it is 500 more the used 1973 sf twin...... don't buy into this corporate crap
Love these!! I wish that they added an effects loop as well, the addition of the XLR out is fantastic!
Can you get feedback when you want too with these amps?
Cyber Twin. I love mine. hope these new digi amp hold up.
Picked up a new in box tone master deluxe on Reverb for $735, but Sweetwater's customer service can't be beat.
I can’t wait to try out a twin. I love my deville but am sick of dragging it around. No more packing extra tubes and lighter weight is such a plus. These amps weigh as much as the speakers (Eminance Governors) in my Deville!
This is a 100% no BS demo and presentation of these amps. I can't find a bad demo or review of them, and I am a tube purist who has been constantly disappointed with modeling amps.
My curiosity is piqued.
My curiosity got the best of me. I have a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb coming this week.
@Luke Great question. I am exceedingly happy with the amp. I love the grab-and-go nature of it. Cleans are amazing. But what I have found, mostly with my HB guitars and my clean boost that is always on with my tube amps - well, the amp does not seem to like that hot signal. So my workaround has been to keep the amp at full power, play through the Normal channel (for some reason, it sounds better to my ears, and I rarely use trem or reverb, just my delay. On my OD pedals (I often run two in tandem), I set them just a little below unity gain and make up for it with more volume on the amp. I'm enjoying it, and it'd my go-to amp about ummm...maybe 60% of the time.
Were I to do it over again? I'm not sure. I have everything I need with it, but I would be curious to play my Les Paul through an actual Dlx, with my clean boost on, and all my other pedals set the way they're set for my tube amps and see how the amp reacts. I suspect the tube version would handle that hot input a little better. That's all I can think of. I am absolutely, perfectly happy with the amp. Family and friends can't tell that it's not a tube amp.
@@stratolestele7611 well how is she ?
@@benallmark9671 @Ben, your timing is impeccable. I'm sitting here rotating from Les Paul, Korina V, new Strat Pro 2, 2000 Strat Dlx w/ Fralins (Woodstock '69s), 2021 SG 61 RI, and as I'm winding down the volume (wife's making dinner) from my 4x12, I jumped straight to the DR Tonemaster. It was set at last night's .2 watts, and I now, this very moment, have it 2-3 clicks below full throttle - 22 watts. Vol 2.3, treble 7.1, bass 6, reverb 4. I'm using both my Keely modded TS9, and Wampler Plexi-Drive. Man, I don't know what I would do without this TM. It's both one of my favorite day amps, but at night? The attenuation is the single best amp feature I've ever had in 45 years of playing. I'm looking at my 20w Marshall w/ 2x12, and an old V32 Crate head (just a fun experiment I just got as I recall liking the clean tones of them.
These amps do sound really good but they’re not quite there yet. I listened side by side and the tone masters still have a low-end boomyness and over-compression in crunch. I’m not knocking it because they still sound very good and in a live situation, these are VERY idea but when mic’d up for recording in a studio with a beautiful, sweet royer and a 57, you can definitely tell. They don’t breathe as openly as the real thing. The reverb and virbrato are super legit!
I have the Tonemaster deluxe and also a reissue deluxe... the Tonemaster is awesome... roll on The Tonemaster Super... take my money now Fender
A Tone Master Super Reverb next????
I'm looking at my '68 and '65 RI and thinking the same thing.
Or 59 Bassman!
Or a tone master high powered tweed twin
This amp is going to be great for gigging musicians. I’m sure a lot of the hate is coming from bedroom cork sniffers. The audience doesn’t care if you are playing through a tube amp...
That’s the truth. These are built for guys who are actually gigging regularly. All the guys who are complaining they could get a tube twin for less are completely missing the point of this amp.
yep , you're right about that , let those bedroom cork sniffers jerk off on there new boss katana mk ll ( a cheap shitty amp with way to much options that you have to set up with you're pc/laptop , totally not usable on a real stage when you're playing in a local pub ) , i bought the tm deluxe a few days ago , and i'm very happy , i can leave my expensive usa handmade tubeamp ( 3rd power wooly coats spanky mk ll = fender princeton type ) at home now , and take this tm deluxe for a ride , yeehaw , thanks fender , that said , i am keeping my tubeamp , it just sounds to good to sell , but for gigs/practice/band the tm deluxe is more than good .
Honestly I've only heard good things, only from those that are actually worth listening to
ok, sir..... i'll be a bedroom cork sniffer b4 i fall for a ss twin reverb at 1000$...... btw, they tried this in the 60's and it was a disaster.... i see one 2day on craigslist ate 500 w/ no takers.... br warned
i am no hot shot....... and the new solid state twin reverb is a piece o crap..... enjoy ur new ss twin, lukee
This sounds great. I'm old and my back is broke and it got broken from lugging around a tube amp. You can be a trad... I will go with new technology.
Will other companies follow suit , there have been non valve ac30s , but one utilising this technology would be great , or a marshall plexi
Incredible technology under the JÜD
Thanks for this extra vid on these. I’ve been upset interested but a lot of the vids currently out aren’t very comprehensive.
Is there a '59 Bassman or a 4-10 Super Reverb in the future? Or maybe a 2-10? I still use my 1994 Princeton Chorus live, regularly. It sounds great & it's fairly light weight too. (25 yrs 100's of gigs & no problems ever.)
same cat with Tom Wheeler for my Cyber Twin.
maybe these amps are basic where they'll last.
My CT still works but i haven't gigged it in over 10 years.
Rest In Peace Tom.
This is a great concept. Time will tell.
If Fender would do the tweed amps ....twin, deluxe...bassman? In this type of series.. I'd buy one of each!
Tweed or brown will hopefully be their next tone master release… fingers crossed
Peavey tried this with Transtube 20 years ago. Modeling sounds at first good but it always leaves you flat. Just start building good tubes again. Music was more important when the equipment was simple
The Peavey Valveking 2 amps have all these same features and more like an effects loop and usb out but with actual tubes, maybe fender should just release the actual tube versions of these amps but with modern appointments and neodymium speakers, no amp tech will be able to work on these either because it will require special software and computer engineering skills.
Love the concept as well but you can buy the tube versions used for less. The lightweight and the power scaling built in are the main reason I feel anybody would buy these and if I didn't just get a limited edition 65 Princeton Reverb I would certainly look into one of these. I hope these do sell well enough that they make versions of a few other amps such as in fact the Princeton.in an ideal world I'd love for them to put power scaling on all of their amplifiers and this doesn't just go for Fender. Gigs are being played on smaller stages amps do not need to be as loud as musicians are using in-ear monitors.
I also hope they sell well so that there is a robust used market. Then I'll sniff around. Otherwise I'll stick to the real thing.
They could and probably will when their direct competitors start adding attenuators, meanwhile you can buy something like the tone king ironman attenuator, its almost 500 bucks though, its very accurate does not fuck up the tubes and sounds amazing on bedroom level, there are more expensive brands but I would rather buy a princeton or a deluxe and add in another 500 bucks for an attenuator if i have the money than buying something digital as this even if it sounds convincing, in a couple of 2 or 3 years there would be probably something like an 'update' I would imagine and thats just not for me but I will try it out! cheers
@@andrecosta281 attenuator does not fk up the tubes? I beg to differ. (tk imperial mkii owner)
agreed, I have the twin and I have a tube Princeton 65, if they made a TM Princeton that weighed 10 pounds, had the DI and the power scaling then they get more of my money....
Here in 2021. Just got the DR blonde. Incredible amp. I’m in love!
Exellent demo Shane!
Spence from 'The King of Queens' playing guitar and demoing amps! Wow, who knew?
Maybe it's just staying as true as possible to the original while using digital, but don't understand why they didn't add an effects loop? Sounds great in the right hands though.
There is a lot to like about the idea- do one thing and do it well. No effects loop is a huge oversight. Also, these are throw away technology. When Fender stops supporting them, techs will not be able to service several aspects of the amp. I can keep the tube amps going for my lifetime.
You can get used tube reverbs for same price or cheaper
sounds great, but why no digital output? USB etc?
Maple Valley Sound Room Better: XLR balanced output, which is useful for creating a silent stage or recording sets without a mic. Two onboard cab IRs (impulse responses) give you a direct feed out to a soundboard. Alternatively, a flat-response option provides seamless integration with your existing IRs. There's also a ground switch and level control for noise reduction and proper gain staging.
@@roblarson9065 I was hoping for a USB or other highspeed digital output for direct connection to computer for recording to DAWs and editing purposes like the Fender FUSE software
Thing is: Will they hold up under the rigors handed out by a hard working weekender; and how long will those (knowing Fender) cheap innards last? On the PLUS side: lighter amps mean healthier backs, over the long haul ... get it ... "haul"? You want to avoid all forms of Spinal Stenosis, at all costs ... trust me, I know.
i've had several handmade tube amps the last 40 years and did have issue's with tubes breaking down , so no matter how good the amp is , a tube can/will fail after a certain amount off time , besides that there's the fact you have to go to some so called expert to get the amp rebiased . Sadly fenders hotrod tubeamps series are good sounding but badly made amps with cheap parts , So now i bouht a tm deluxe , i just hope fender did not cut to many corners while making this , for the price you might expect some good parts being used in this one . it can't be the labor cost since it's made in china . My bad back is very happy with my latest purchase though , haha .
The tone was good on the Cyber Twin but they were heavy and many thought too complicated. A Twin weighing 30 lbs is great for a gigging muscian. I'm sure there was a large engineering cost but I think for these to be successful in the market the price is going to need to drop. I have talked to a couple of people that have tried them and they were very impressed with the tone and feel.
I must say that I agree with you. The Tonemasters sound great! But the price point has to come way down! Come on Fender it’s a Chinese made solid state digital amp! You can get a great sounding Fender Champion 100 1x12 for €300. And the price of the Deluxe is almost the price of a real Custom Deluxe. If it does come down I might get one to go along side my valve/tube amp. But where the price is now.... No way!
@Luke Not at all. I certainly still believe that. I’ve always said that the Tonemasters sound great, but for what it is a Chinese made solid state digital amp the price is very high. And the resale prices in a few years from now will be horrible compared to the real thing... remember the Fender Cyber amps....
They probably shouldn't compare it with the tube Fenders as much as they should compare it with other modeling amps. I'm sure the Tone Master is great, but is it better than, say, the Boss Nextone, or the Fractal and Line 6 units, or even the Kemper?
@Luke Good point.
If this is as great as they say, they should make a high gain amp using the same super processing power.
Costs too much? Compared to a Quilter or a Henriksen for jazz, it's not bad.
You can get the IB45 from Quilter for 230 new. And a 101 used for about the same price. Not even in the ballpark.
@@agentjake13 Pedals vs combos. Not the same ballpark.
630 for a head and cab, cheapest combination new. Plus versatility to swap different heads in.
@@agentjake13 Quilter combo $999-1199. Henriksen combo $999-1899
>"These amps take overdrives really well."
>*Goes on to play probably the boxiest overdrive sound I think I've ever heard*
Smurfman256 it’s the age of the hand-made clones, no doubt. The offerings the big names are putting out there are sterile at best! And modeling is coming to let everybody knows that once that motherboard goes your whole amp is dead on the water bye bye investment. If you have a thousand bucks for one of this... maybe you can save a little bit and get yourself a Victoria amp or something along those lines, imo.
Is he using an Ultra series Strat?
IS this Tone Master that much better then their Mustang GT200 version of the Deluxe Reverb ?
Great question
What about a Vibro King so you can get the vol. down, when we don't feel like killing the neighbours?
I like the Twin tone
That amp would sound sweet with a Les Paul with humbuckers!
Can you jump channels on these? Does it work the same?
Hey, Jonathan! You technically can do that with these, but it won't sound the same and you may run in to phase issues, so it's not recommended. If I can help you with anything else, feel free to get in touch with me directly. Thanks for the question!
Connor Smith, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222 4700 ext. 1793, connor_smith@sweetwater.com
If these are the same as their tube counterparts, and I believe they are, then you cannot jump the channels as you would on a four input Bassman or Marshall. The two channels are out of phase with one another.
@@roberthurless4615 ya, but you can get around the phase issue. I was inquiring if they were two separate channels. A lot of people jump channels on twins and deluxe reverbs. Radial makes the big shot aby switch that has a phase reverse on it and there are other switches with that feature.
Vibroverb please.
Smells like CyberTwin to me 😂
Not going to cork sniff this amp.I'd have to play one first hand before I'd consider shelling that much out for one though.Especially something that may or may not have had all the bugs worked out yet.Not really had the best experience with digital amps that update firmware(cough..cough.. Blackstar..).I do wish they would have kept an actual spring reverb unit with it and just went digital with the tones and tremolo.The 30 year old stage 112 I have is ss but has an excellent little spring reverb tank.There is probably a new amp purchase in my future.. I believe the closest guitar center has some of these in.May go check them out.. could always buy one and take it back if it doesn't cut it.
don't try it , you will will buy it , i did ! i'm a hardcore tubesnob ,but a could not resist myself , and don't worry about the reverb , it's awesome ! fenders rd department has bin working/developing for 3 years to get this right so i'm not that afraid for any bugs . a happy fender tm deluxe owner
@Luke hello i have seen you're comments in this thread , don't worry , it's an solid "real deal " amp wich sounds just as good as all the "overhyped " tube amps , and if you buy an behringer P1 ( wich will cost about 50 euro , instead off the 700 euro for a 2 notes captor or 1300 euro for an ox box that you need to practice silent with an tube amp ) along with it , you can also practice with headphones , sounds great and the neighbours will like you a lot more : ) , also the direct out sounds great on this amp , wich is often a weak spot on others amps i have tried , so yeah , all in all , it's an perfect amp and there is good reason for so many people liking it . Enjoy : )
@@antoonhermans8953 so you can use headphones with this amp ? And which pedal is the P-1 ?
love to try them..!!!
I gotta say the idea of an amp that I don’t have to crank up to window rattling volume to get good tones out of. Sadly I already have tube versions lol.
What guitarist care about is... people that don’t use the word “synergy”. But seriously, seems like a good product.
I'd be curious how these amps take a Tech 21 Ritchie Kotzen FlyRig...
Search for the video of him trying that very thing with one of these amps. I think it's a Sweetwater video.
Do the 85 watts give as much spl as a real twin? I sold 2 of them because of back injuries. If so, it will be my next amp. Also, can you just buy the head? Thanks.
The TM Twin has a 200W class D power amp which is ostensibly equivalent to the 85W tube power section of the original.
56brever ok. I have a class d 100 w amp. So I guess it’ll “shake the house” like my old silver face Twins did??? Thanks for your reply.
Fender needs to put this in a pedal!
Nobody mentions funk lol. Twins are THE funk AFAIC
If a ringmaster amp is still working and gig worthy 56 years from now I'll buy one. Until then I will stick with my 64 bassman. 😄
Needs a loop in it
59 bassman tonemaster, please and thank you.
I second this!
So the cheapest one is on the same price ballpark as a Helix LT. Who thought this was a good idea?
This made me smile... and laugh! Thanks!
Give us that Princeton Reverb
My problem is that for $200 more I can have the real thing in a tube amp. All that extra electronic will fail somewhere along the line it always does that's why I have a twin reverb tube ... it has never failed me!!!
Next up : The Stratocaster Air. The guitar that's not really there - but it's light! It's $500 less than the Mexico line!
$900 for a solid state amplifier OO woof!
Why not an effects loop..... it would make the concept complete.....
No need for that, since the effect pedals won’t be amplified the same way as with tube amps.
@@ChrisEffort The whole idea behind the concept of this amp is that it reacts, feels and works like a tube-amp. It is also possible to overdrive this amp by cranking the volume just like you would do with the tube version Fender Deluxe. Most players don't want their digital reverb, delay or chorus effects before a distorted amp. The only way to use time based effects with this amp is to keep it clean sounding and get overdrive/distortion from a pedal. Which most people also do when they use a tube powered Deluxe or Twin reverb because they don't feature an effects loop either. Because of the way how Fender Tone Master Combo Amplifiers function it would be easy to incorporate an effectsloop before the poweramp. The Tone Master Deluxe Reverb amplifier uses massive digital processing power to achieve a single remarkable sonic feat: faithfully modeling the circuitry and 22-watt power output of an original Deluxe tube amp. Using a high-performance 100-watt digital power amp to achieve the headroom and dynamic range of a real vintage Deluxe tube amp.
cool
I had invested in some Quilter amps a few years ago. I found them all sterile by comparison to the valve counterpart. Even my Roland blues cube slaughtered the Quilter for tone and authentic valvey vibe. However, I'd be at least prepared to try these Fender offerings. My real concern is how good the Class D component parts are to generate the power, as they seemed to cause problems in all but one of my Quilters. If those parts are cheap Chinese electronics, Fender is screwed further down the road.
Wait till those processors and power amps start failing and no amp tech will be able to repair them or access fender's software and since we all know fender won't support them very long they will be headed to the landfill or retrofitted with a tube amp chassis.
@@Spittin_Bars That's what bothers me. Cheers.
Not bad, I'll keep the 22w reissue though. As for weight and tone, the monoprice 15w tube amp, which cuts to 1w, is still gonna give this thing all the competition it can take, and for $600 less!!
Agree with some people here, kind of nice amps but too expensive for what they are. Maybe a 15 watt tube amp with some low 4 watts switch or something would be better.... I don’t like the same name and look as the tube versions either, it’s like my real twin is not cool anymore
If it was the same price as a champion 100 it would take the world over.
I would have thought the Super Reverb was the one for this treatment. Over priced imo and no doubt most will wait for prices to drop. The concept is good fender and the power scaling and di useful. But you got your pricing wrong on these.
Do they still have the bad "tock tock tock" Tremolo? -_-
Why don't make an A/B with a REAL TUBE AMP?
Andertons did a video where they a b the tonemasters and the tube versions
But, no FX loop. Choke.
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To my ears, there's not a whole lot of dynamic range to the way the amp sounds. It sounds too compressed. Sure they get the timbre of how tube amps sound kinda right, but there are other factors in what makes a tube amp sound the way it does. This amp has its advantages but it does that thing where the attack of the note is almost too articulated which is a common thing that I hear on solid state amps, especially digital modelling amps such as this one. There are a lot of great solid state amps, including bass amps. But this is a digital modelling amp that models one amp. While it does do a good job, it's not perfect and I'd rather go for the tube version that this amp is trying to model. To be fair, I'm listening to this on a solid state class D powered speaker system as all of you are too and I haven't played through the amp yet. When I do, I imagine it'll play and feel like every other digital modeling amp. Fender is onto something with this amp though.
At least you don't have to feed it tubes.
If they were made in the US I would buy one. Or even Mexico.
Components are made in China (as they are for everything) and the cabs are assembled in Mexico. If they were made in the US they would cost a couple grand and who can say if there would be a quality upgrade.
I'm sure these are good, but aside from the weight savings, why buy it to only save $200? They should be priced about half the price of the tube version.
m t because???
go buy one off those shitty katana's , there cheap !
Sounds like a Kemper digital amp with one profile at 899$...?
Pine cabinet though
I will say this, if this technology doesn’t accurately emulate their tube counterparts, no technology ever will
VoxPathfinder15R I mean that’s not really how the progression of technology works but ok
Alexander Vickers just because we have progressed in technology doesn’t mean we will progress into the far and distant future, there are limits. Maybe quantum computers will take us to the next level, but I think we’re running out on silicon wafers
VoxPathfinder15R Yes of course but when it comes to something like guitar amps of course this isn’t the limit of what we can do
The Amp is way to expensive. The price should really stop at double the price of a Fender Champion 100.
Yeah new amps sound great but they're only simulating what tube amps always sounded like Plus the retail sales of a tube amplifier probably better fender we're saying this when they came out with the Cyber twin amplifier
Fender is back once again to tell us they've designed an amp that replaces tube amps. Seems like they do this every 2 or 3 years, we all know that it's never true. Cyber twin anyone? Wait till the first one fails and you take it to an amp tech to repair it, "um sir, I work on tube amps, i'm not a computer programmer and fender no longer supports this hardware or software. Would you like me to recycle it for you? We carry actual tube amps to your left sir."
Or you could go try one out and see what you think of it in person. You might be surprised. :)
I owned a cyber twin and over time, I became less impressed with its tone and wished I’d bought something else with all that money. Got a feeling this would be the same.
All that technology but cant put in a effect loop
Why would you need an effects loop? You're not getting any meaningful overdrive from the preamp on a Fender amp.
Great amps but the price....yikes
Transistors are ok for bedroom noodling.
But transistors don't have dynamic range, not a new shortcoming. That's why i carry heavy amps, not for my back which is shot from years lugging Vibrolux Reverb 2x10 40w, tube reverb and vibrato.
Solid state reverb in a bar gig is useless.
Fender counting on most weekend warriors don't work, wont ever know.
Overtones, not overdrive, overtone, that's when several tones combine for unique new tone, you need tubes to experience the dynamic range to get that. Think about ZZ Top Sharp Dressed tone, those are Overtones, can't get it with solid state, oh well, look like another technology step down will be forced on us.
It’s a great sounding completely solidstate amp... there are many options on the market for this now from every major manufacturer and most offer more versatility (amp models, and effects) like boss for less money and also many offer an effects loop... seems overpriced... they would probably sell a lot of these if they knocked a couple hundred off the price.. $900 is way too much, could buy better amp software for your computer that has these models and much more for a couple hundred bucks.. guess these are marketed towards gigging musicians that like deluxe reverbs and twins and have enough dough to buy another...
yes, except my boss katana 100w mk ii, for instance, did everything great except could not translate any of the tones from my fender strat am pro ii. everything basically sounded like it was the humbucker down at the bridge. and trying to get someone at roland to answer the damned phone to advise was useless.
I'd get the Deluxe Reverb but for 600 $
Wait... not a tube amp? I’m out... just a Mustang in sheep’s clothing