The First Berserkers: the Bronze Age Koryos
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- The berserker Viking warrior is famous but the tradition can be traced back to the early Bronze Age warband called the koryos.
The berserkers fought like madmen, in a trance-like state of fury that struck fear into the hearts of their enemies. But why did they act in this way? And why were they associated with wolves and bears?
In this video we travel back thousands of years into the history of Bronze Age Europe and find out why the youths of Indo-European cultures transformed into wolves and other animals during their rites of passage.
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Mr, Davis. Can i ask you somethings about Berserkers
the pic you ha
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Considering he's talking about a pre-literate culture, I wonder how the heck he knows most of his claims .
@@markstuber4731 not sure how related your reply is to my comment.
Nevertheless, he's continuously referring in his videos to current historical literature. You can easily read the articles/books he's referring to.
Truly
@@markstuber4731 Mr. Stuber isnt smart enough to watch the video before he makes his salty comments...
Almost swept away to those ancient times. Goosebumps and excitement running through me. Very nice storytelling.
Thank you.
It will be less exciting when your covered in blood and guts fighting for your survival. But hey, different times ... any how, would love to know if they suffered from PTSD if they returned to their tribe and had to adjust to be just a farmer or artisan...
@@johnanita9251 I think this is probably how they did deal with it. I think that it was probably something to do with getting it as a kid/teenager so the rituals keep you "psyched up", and the career of hunting and fighting keeping your brain into what's clearly where your neurons are, at that point, bent towards fight in an almost permanent state of fight-or-flight panic. Presumably by the time they were old enough to become warmasters, they had enough of a grip on it to deal with being around, and teaching, kids. I assume that they would have also acquired a semi-mystical/religious status to the people of the regular tribe as well, alongside the wise woman/women, spirit talkers, etc. that governed that part of the society.
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This brings into mind the connection of the agogi of Sparta, the Wolfskin-wearing Roman Velite Skirmishers and the Viking Beserkers even if they are all separated by so much distance.
Keep it up.
@Lucas De Araújo Marques Like a who?
@lucgma no, the sagas explain bezerkers are warriors that either A. Wore bear skin pelts in battle B. Wore no shirt in battle, working themselves up into a rage with prior ritual and possibly stinking henbane, there were many types of bezerkers besides just bear pelt wearers such as Úlfhéðnar. The ancestors of scandanavians clearly took the idea of wolf warriors and animal shamanistic warrior beliefs from their previous indo European tribes, where this was common as well. You needed to go through certain rituals/ circumstances and do certain things to get the power of said bezerkir. This is backed up by a few sagas, such as the one about the men who were Úlfhéðnar with wolf pelts, turning into wolves for several days.
@lucgma while it wasn’t a position, it was spiritual and was considered to be high ranking soldiers, normally protecting kings. Making them a class of warriors kindve like knights.
The roman founding myth sounds alike too. With romulus being the koryonos leading a pack of young man to take this new territory. Stole the sabine women. The connection to the wolf is there too.
*germanic berserkir*
In serbian language, there is an archaic word for wolf, kurjak (pronounced kooryack). It is used when talking about its wild, bestial and brutal, mystical and mysterious nature. Word Vuk (Vook) is used more generally.
That's fascinating
He who takes up the cowl, must first be a warg at least one year
Start as a bear cub, and work your way up to eagle scout.
A video on how the koryos tradition evolved in later ages as indo european split into different cultures would be most interesting. Great channel!
Thank you. That's a great idea - quite a big project, I expect to be manageable I would have to break it down with one video per culture. But yes that's a great idea, I will add it to the list, thank you.
I would endorse a book series, or short stories anthology. Snapshots of the evolution of the koryos...
Fantastic as always. Makes me think of a small handful of men I grew up with who just seem dispossessed by modern society. In another time there may have been a marginally productive role for them. Today it’s a sad life of conflict and recidivism.
Yes there are some men who are drawn to live beyond normal society. Hobos, vagrants, homeless as well as certain types of criminals.
The world has gotten boring from the means of computers and gadgets to make everything easy.
@@micahdixson7764 I don’t find it boring. People let themselves get sidetracked spiritually.
@@Tarteh everything is concerning to a pearl clutching coward.
@@Tarteh how profoundly insightful, you must be very important having such a way with words.
In essence, the trick was to induce an adrenaline rush, which can make you stronger than you normally are. It can happen automatically, or artificially induced. The change in strength, speed and control is significant, which makes me think that the stories about the berserkers who lost control and attacked their own had induced the adrenaline rush with shrooms or something that took the control away.
13:45 "They are also shown as violent boasters and bullies". Just a note: for example icelandic Grettis saga (written in age of christianity) berserks were said to be bullies, and they were outlawed in Norway in 1015. Whether it had anything to do with christianity (and christian politics) or not, is up to debate (according to my memory/knowledge).
Indeed! As a Scandinavian, vikings were simply typical Indo-european warbands bourne by ships rather than horses and wagons, probably as a result of the Scandinavian topography where mountains, seas, rivers, rocks/hills and forests were frequent obstacles unlike the flatness of the eastern European steppes. The cattle raids described by the ancient Irish and Indians are similar examples.
Thats Why Finns beat them.
There are still warrior bands today. I am part of one. I dedicate my life to learning how to be violent, I grew up around violence my whole life. And I train other men how to be violent. But also to control it. Only need it when it's necessary. There are many of us, in the millions. Still carrying on a resemblance of what our ancestors did. We are still here, and our ancestors are too. III
@@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast Do you act in service of the state? How do you organise and what do you do?
@@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast sounds like larp
Athena has largely won out on this I’d say. Ares style violent rage is less apart of military. Where Athena’s strategy and discipline has won wars. Ares does get his due during war atrocities but there are repercussions to such acts.
The department of defense did research to try to find out what caused men to do heroics that got them medal of honors. The answer of brotherhood and comradery. The desire to keep your friends safe from the enemy.
Those ancient war bands definitely fostered a sense of brotherhood. Men are inspired to heroics if they’re all that stand against the forces of chaos. They will die to keep their family safe.
The recent film, "The Northman" has an interesting parallel
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Reminds me of the young Spartans tasked with harassing the Helots.
Explains why car ins costs our young males the most money also!
These younger warriors might also be merely Cannon fodder.
The Koryos was a way to get young males who were at their most violent and reckless state of development the hell out of the village so they didn't disturb the adults and children.
Read about Roman Velites or Greek Peltasts. Unarmored but fast running soldiers tasked at shooting javelines at heavily armed phalanx. And steppe armies were mostly about mounted archers, where less experienced ones were used to draw attention while best shooters prepare truly damaging attack.
@@mladenmatosevic4591 Peltasts originated in Thrace. And the thracians were hellish warriors. They left nothing alive after a raid. Not even children or dogs. They fought in a frenzied state as well, it's described how, by means of battle cries and fury, they managed to throw even the most experienced cavalry troops of the roman empire into confusion and panic. It's also described that for them living out of looting and raiding was seen as noble and brave, while living out of farming was somewhat frowned upon.
Ottomans also had these conscripted, but doomed troops
Aski-kurt they called them, horse levy. Literal translation, four-legged soldiers, or wolves
That was the canon fodder, intended to provoke the opponent to attack, and smash against the janissary center
If I understand correctly, the warbands/beserker initiation lost its popularity quite early - as soon as the groups of hunters-gatherers transformed themselves into class societies, since rise of the Bronze Age.
Since then, the ancient, predatory form of initiation became the privilege of small class of warriors only, especially elite, and in the most valiant cultures only (Spartans, Germans, Vikings, etc).
Fighting in a frenzied state is seen in all indo-european cultures and beyond. In antiquity, the germanic tribes, celts, and thracians are all described as being hellish warriors. In the early medieval period, viking berserkers made their living out of duels and were known for outlandish acts of violence.
More on this subject can be found in the book "Ancient germanic warriors: warrior styles from Trajan's Column to Icelandic Sagas" by Michael P. Speidel.
Same in malayan cultures hence the word, amok - running amok
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Reminds me a lot of Plains Nations warrior traditions like the Lakota Dog Soldiers.
Yeah it seems to be a recurring pattern. Anthropologists also studied African herding societies like the Maasai in the 20th century to help inform some of their theories about the koryos.
That is absolutely fascinating
@@DanDavisHistory please do one on north india
@@DanDavisHistory Even the Hebrews had something similar with the Nazirites like Samson who took vows not to cut their hair and to remain ritually pure. Samson also fights naked, except for his lion skin, performs feats of strength, and is depicted as an unstoppable warrior.
@@DanDavisHistory lol
This is also exactly like roman velites. youths who skirmish before the battle lines, occasionally while wearing wolf skins
Not exactly the youths are always expelled to the forest until they prove themselves, also the romans drank piss so
@@CelticAugur not every aspect is the same but the koryos tradition clearly stuck around in some aspects
It reminds me of the maruts mentioned in the rgveda 1.64. Do you know if there is any correlation?
Some nations called the Romans "Volsci", wolves
Because of the velites in front lines
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I was always fascinated by the berserker since the first time I play “For Honor”.. I understand now .. great video!
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Very cool paper on the subject of berserker as a fighting style from Indo-European tradition in 2002 paper:
Berserks: A History of Indo-European "Mad Warriors"
September 2002, Journal of World History
Michael Speidal
One of the best channels with Indo European content
Thank you, appreciate that.
True berserking have someting to do with elevated level of adrenaline. This pushes pain and fear aside, gives additional strength and makes time go slower.
It is exactly that
Wonderful thing they don't bother to mention during bouts of " fight or flight " rush moments, your muscles tighten up to the point they slowly pull your back out of place. Panic attacks are fun to live with, not forgetting all the joint and nerve damage for beating the .. F .. out of the smart azzes that provoke them.
@@krispalermo8133 Panic? Not really... It is like geysir of liquid oxygen going up spine and hitting tiop of the skull. Mad anger cooled and rationalized while brain works accelerated but with simpler algorythm. More like contemplating assault with serious bodily harm since no human or gods law is considered important. Then you perhaps leave fist-print on brick wall even after depowering swing in half move, while brain detects not real pain, but damage report. Of course, to make it battle effective you need to keep it for few minutes, but many soldiers, past and modern, who kept fighting while seriously wounded had to be in such state. And their capacity to think and act was not diminished at all.
@@gauravtejpal8901 Rationalization is easy. Hard part is to create burst of adrenaline when you want it and then keep it high for 15min.
@@mladenmatosevic4591 no one is inherently superior. It is all a result of training
Sounds a lot like what happens with young male lions who band together once they reach a certain age, by themselves until they finally form their own prides
You're right!
Really enjoyed this. Listening to this stories about werewolves and other shapeshifters take on a new significance.
Thank you. Yeah for sure.
Shape-strong…. Have written about this in a fictional context.
Fun Fact, there is still a saying in Icelandic "Að bíta í skjaldarendurnar". Which is biting ones sheild or hunkering down or getting things done, timecode 14:55
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The Indo-European warrior tradition is still seen in the medieval knights, so much of what is described in Tacitus about the ancient Germanic warriors still holds true for them.
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What sources were used to gather such specific information on the koryos and other proto indo-european practices? I didn't think there were any written sources about them from this time period.
They look at evidence from a huge range of descendant cultures and use comparative mythology, linguistics, folklore, genetics, archeology, history, and other disciplines to reconstruct prehistoric societies.
Exactly, this stuff is impossible to know. They didn't write.
@@grahamgreene4141 I certainly agree. Getting that specific about a culture about whom there are no written sources, and ambiguous archeological evidence, requires a certain amount of fiction writing.
@@grahamgreene4141 Oral history exists.
@@matthewwhite3444 Oral histories exist. Aboriginal Oral histories going back thousands of years have been proven to be accurate.
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This has completely transformed my understanding of what “war bands” were all about . until Now I had always connected them in my mind with Glen Miller.
Fascinating stuff! Always wonder what it means “Go berserk!”
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If I imagine a Koryos, I hear the music of Heilung in my head
I’ve read somewhere that the color black is supposedly connected to the kouryos. Spartans or another Ancient Greek society used black clothing to signify their elite youthful warriors and a German tribe painted their bodies fully black before battle.
In the video, you mentioned some dyeing their hair red to signal war or used as a purification ritual, but was also used to signify the color of blood.
I think the very early "berserkers", who were those Koryos unhinged from (their)community and never to return who went on to found their own clans and expand ever on out, were(proto germanic) Erilaz. Erilaz in that language meaning someone who operates enough outside the "natural world" to have mastered certain important esoteric principles and formulas. Otherwise known as rune-masters.
From the word "erilaz" evolves the word "Heruli", the name of an early Germanic tribe that was likely less a migrating group seeking a place to found a Kingdom, and more a mobile tribe of warriors and mystics who raided, fought for money as mercenaries, and generally lived the koryos lifestyle as (for them) a societal norm. Also from the proto germanic word "erilaz", evolves the old norse word "jarl" and the old english word "eorl/earl". An Earl being a tribal chieftain and ideally someone who won that chiefdom by force and actively expands it. As per the Rigsthula of the Poetic Edda:
34.
Earl grew up there at the hall.
He began to shake linden shields
He fixed bow strings, bent elm,
shafted arrows flung spears, sped lances,
rode horses, hunted with hounds,
swung swords and swam the sound.
35.
Then (the god) Rig came walking from the grove.
Walking Rig came, taught Earl the runes
and granted his own name,
saying it belonged to his son. Rig bade him take
possession of odal vales and old halls.
36.
Earl rode further thence through Mirkwood,
over frosty fell, until he came to a hall.
He began to shake spears, to shatter shields.
He rode forth on his horse, swung his sword,
wakened war, bloodied the earth
dropped corpses, fought for land.
37.
He ruled eighteen halls, he dealt wealth,
and granted it to all. He showered rings,
gifts and jewels, and slender horses.
He divided rings of gold amongst his folk.
I think this bit of the Rigsthula is a variation of a theme as ancient as the Koryos. I do not think any daughter culture of the proto indo european has maintained and centralized the koyros phenomenon as much the germanics have. My best bet is that the pre-proto germanic PIE dialect was spoken by late koryos who had congealed into their own mobile tribe much as the Herulians did later on. When this tribe had evolved and differentiated itself enough to be truly distinct from the broader PIE homogenous society, they became their own people, literally a fusion of "the people and army", the word they called themselves and which we today call ourselves: the folk. This was right about 1,000 BCE, the same time as the Great Germanic Soundshift, when proto germanic became its own language separate from proto indo european.
There is a bit of supposition laden belief that Odin somehow usurped Tyr as the leader of the Aesir or "top Germanic god". I posit that Tiwaz was never that chief and that without Wodanaz, you do not even have a significant enough differentiation from proto indo european to constitute a separate culture or society. Aka No Chief Odin, no Germanic divergence from proto indo european. Because Tiwaz stays at home, not only in the community as an established male, but as the Irminsul; the axis mundi, the central reference point of cosmic and moral orientation, and as has survived in the Old English Rune Poem, the north star by which geographic navigation can be oriented.
Likely, just prior to the 1st germanic sound shift, the myth went that Wodanaz brought home a wolf which Tiwaz had to deal with, and which bit off his sword hand, making Wodanaz chief by necessity. The allegory would be that the wolf brought home was the wolf within the "koryos", which would grow so massive that it would consume not only the "koryos" but all of society ("the world") along with it. This would eventually happen no mater what, but could be delayed for as long as possible if societal moral orientation were to shift to become far more tolerant of "wolf like" behavior. What does the word "gleipnir" mean after all, but "the open one". The binding of the wolf is a trick and only the wolf believes it, after all, the locks which "bind" him have been open the whole time. As a result, "justice" is halved, Tiwaz loses his arm (his ability to effectively control chaos), the wolf god is ascended and will harry all known worlds for at least the next 3,000 years. In the words, or at least the spirit, of Heisenberg from the show Breaking Bad, "I am not the one who loses the hand, I am the one who bites it off".
A great many founders of cultures, cities, colonies are associated with wolves and wildness for sure. I think the practice drove much of the IE expansions.
@@DanDavisHistory Angrboda, a wife of Loki, Wolf Mother, Bringer of Sorrows. Root word for anger/ rage.
In short, a woman that had her own pack of wolves/ near dogs " German shepherds " and fought with two whips at the same time. My theory is once copper chain was made common, her priestess wrapped raw hide cords around copper link chain with a heavy metal dart at the end to puncher the rib cage with a solid hit.
When I was in grade school I was told my German/ Prussian - Russian great grand father left St. Peterburg cause of WW I was brewing.
Then around my 15th birthday, I had to buy five German/ English translation books to decode the history book my grandpa's dad brought with him from German that cover the blood feuds/ civil wars of German between 1700's to 1864. Which my family was involved in. Odd enough, which explained genetic breeding between families of a given social class all have the same problem of being bipolar narcissist with hyper fight or flight impulse, and panic attacks along with being overly defensive of their living area.
Yeah, my mom was really nuts. ( G*D I hated my panic attacks as a teenage, manic depression sucks and the local ass hole police were always trying to write it of as drug use and it didn't help I transgender. Rage induce fist fights just lead to years of joint pain and nerve damage. Along with bloody fist fights with my mom on a monthly bases.)
Fun note my grandpa family was in charge of a local area's forestry & timber production. Just before the start of the 11th grade I found out from my grandpa siblings, Great grand dad was a German officer of WW I, and he skipped country more due to a blood feud.
11th grade spring semester being 15 years old, I met around a dozen of my extended family cousins that came over as exchange students, ( all my teenage cousins where nuts in one way or another.) After my classmates met and got to know my distant relatives, they said I was not as .. weird .. as they thought I was, I was just pretty normal for my family, and we are all weird as hell. Also had .. elders .. came over with veterans of WW II. Some of them went to military Prussian style boarding schools ran by Lutherans that were all against the British screwing them over during the end of WW I. They were raised for national imperialism like the British at that time, Hitler was just an excuse for them to go back to war. .. And ... and .. the bloody fist fights with my mom was common with the rest of my extended German family, they had an .. odd .. way of laughing about. When I got a .. little .. older, .. I started to think the whole thing was .. funny .. too. Do three shots of vodka and start a fight with your mom just for the hell of it.
Well, I was a sober 15 year old, and a did a WW II German officer impersonation just to get a .. rise .. out of my grandpa's sister, and she split my lip and left three scrap makers from her rings I wore to school two weeks later.
As a late teenager after I drop out of high school, and started doing handy jobs on farms ...
I found out these old WW II veterans raised on a hardcore Lutheran with a holier than thou Calvinist bend world view practice a form of German pagan folk witchcraft where they regarded Angrboda & Loki as house spirits. The only reason they brought me into their rituals was cause I was already doing a blend of Sicilian Catholic mysticism mix with Japan Buddhist Aikido/Reiki, along with country style woodcraft making friends with wild coyotes.
" Control your breathing to match your house dog and mimic the dog's body movements & gestures, and the coyotes watching you will .. start .. trying to figure you out. " Also bob cats and American mountain lions have the same mother's " huff & puff " telling their infants that is all is safe. Met a few people at farmers' market that bring their .. pet .. cougars in wire travel cages, some people are cool, other are jerks thinking that just cause they can afford a great cat they are special. The cats seem more surprise that a human can huff & puff/ whine to them than the people do. Worst part about cougars, they don't so much talk to themselves in their sleep, they like to .. sing. And hog the bed, if you let them hog the bed and take the floor, they will join you on the floor. I crack my knee on their shoulders enough times to .. know .. they don't make good house pets, .. they just binge eat and sleep most of the time. The only are awake and " playful " or hunt for a week then sleep for about two weeks after making enough kills.
This is where it starts to get .. really .. good, due to the internet I looked up the ..earliest .. tax records regarding my family's name. Turns out they/ we started off as Swabia and if Roman imperial records are to be trusted .. barely .. these barbarians swam out the lakes in the wetlands to attack the Romans in surprise raids numbering the hundreds. Something motivate them to Prussian controlled area and inter marry with them. " cough, cough, cough," .. Most of my German family, and for myself along with my grandpa's three daughters were on the swim team that could compete on state level.
Here is a few trick questions, if people/ humans don't really change or evolve, just with luck mellow out a bit when they get old with joint pains. Cause if we have .. evolve.. then books written 1, 600 years ago by the Roman empire and a desert warlord would not be our moral & ethical guides in life. ( So how was that, was written as a question ? Too much vodka, take another hit.)
How much is our behavior .. still .. rooted in our bronze age ancestors?
Under what conditions would have to be socially imposed on such given groups of people to do a full revert back to such behave ?
I have only been trying to figure this out for around thirty years of my 43 years of life. It got start cause after a couple of years dealing Southern Baptist Church in Florida back in the 1980's, by the time I was 12, I was full blow Anti- Theist. Thank G*D for Spock from Star Trek.
Sorry for the rant, my excuse is that I buzz on vodka.
Hope you have a good weekend, and G*D bless.
Love your format, reading essays just make my day, not many make well organize post as yours.
Hope you have a good weekend, and G*D bless.
@@krispalermo8133 Thank you. I write a lot and once something is essentially outlined, it helps my process to develop the themes through exposition in comments like the one I wrote above. About half goes into the comments section and the whole gets emailed to myself and sometimes incorporated into the larger work, fleshing out the outline. The half posted in the comments of the content that triggered the exposition in the first place as a way to say, "Thanks for giving us (me), this. I'll leave what I have of it, in return."
I have had the same musings as you have, right now i peering through my Edda. Regarding Odin, i have wondered Meta Wise, that maybe the Asir/Vanir war has to be taken litterarely. As the proto germanic tribes entered into Europa more and more, they came into conflict with the first indo-europeans that had Settled the continent, a group more devoted to agriculture and fertility. Maybe Odin was their Chief god, and manifested into a war Leader/leaders, that led those groups into a new land, maybe Those warleaders held the name Odin, as in x of Odin,? Being the cultural foundation of these tribes, Rune bearers, etc.
That reading was outstanding, writing from experience of milk and mushroom, the warmth of belly to limbs and eyes.
Going to have too get a copy👍
If the mushroom mentioned is supposed to be fly agar it's a dead end. Alcohol and rituals are the best explanation for berserkergang/warp spasm/battle rage. With practice you can spike yourself with shots of adrenaline. This, coupled with armor, is the best explanation for berserker I've ever come across. The ritual and booze also lines up with the records of what happens to the berserker after the rage has passed. Especially if you factor huge adrenaline hits in.
Enjoyed the book segment.
Native American cultures have quite a history of similar warrior fighting in an altered state.
Well now after this, which was as interesting as it was well-told, I have to track down your books to get another fix. Thank you!
Nice to see you quote Mircea Eliade!
All right. Another Dan Davis video. Just keep em coming.
Cheers, will do.
I discovered you yestarday and im on the watching spree right now. Amazing channel. Please can u make something about early Slavs.
The superficial manifestations of the Warrior have changed over the millenia, but men of this core live still. Loners, devoted to the Art of War and the Warrior ethos, tend to not interact well with those who don't adhere to the same code ("bully", can't adhere to civil society social norms)... I present as Exhibit A George Patton. There are plenty more if one just looks hard enough. It's baked into the cake of humanity.
Yay, new video! Been interested in them since the OSP video on it
Edit: Sounds like the kronos knew how to rave
Edit again: what a wonderful video, one of my favourites so far!
Thank you! Great to know.
What's OSP?
@@DanDavisHistory Overly Sarcastic Productions, an amazing TH-cam channel about history, mythology and storytelling/tropes/media.
I think it might right up you alley and i firmly recommend to first check out some short "OSP out of context" clips before maybe giving it a shot. As for actual content I highly recommend the video on Aphrodite and on the Codiac signs... Those made me fully realise how much of modern culture can be traced back to the first civilisations, how deep those connection to our people who lived all-but inconceivably long ago, yet still the same...
Oh wow, it's a totally huge channel. I can't believe how many channels people recommend to me and I've never heard of any of them. Thank you I will watch that video.
@@DanDavisHistory TH-cam is biiiiiiig
These videos are addictive
Makes sense. I'm thinking of national service being in essence the same rite of passage. Without a clear milestone, since it was mostly abolished in the west, no wonder one deals with 30 year old boys on a daily basis.
This channel is gold. Subscribed and clicked on the bell icon. ;)
Thank you. Welcome to the channel.
How interesting that this would pop up in my recommended list right after seeing The Northman.
IYKYK 😉
initiation from childhood into manhood reminded me a very important turkish legand: "Dede Korkut".
Well done. Great narration and tone.
Thank you.
Kinda unrelated but just wondering where you get the footage from, its gorgeous. And as always amazing video bro
Since I got some patrons I've been able to subscribe to a video footage site. It's made a huge difference, I think. Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Going to have to look for your books now, thank you, enjoyed this
Wonderful, I hope you enjoy the stories too.
@@DanDavisHistory I believe I will Loved the Grears books on prehistoric fiction of native American tribes. Yours sound similar just about people on the other side of the "Big Water" 😉
Wow what a great channel I stumbled across. Oddly enough, This is a timely video for my family. Watched a couple of your other great vids.. Cheers mate.
holy crap - yet another amazing video! I gotta get around reading your books now!
8:28 this is exactly what it was like drinking with my friends for the first time in high school
Great video! im working on one with the exact same connection now
Thank you! I've just subbed to your channel, I can't wait to see the video. Cheers.
How do we know all this? Did it come down through oral tradition before being recorded? It’s fascinating.
Linguistics, folklore studies, comparative mythology, ancient history, archeology etc.
Very interesting fakts. Thx
Nice format, great information.
Dan, I hope more of your books are available on audio. I loved Godborn. In you videos it seems like the recreators are dressed as kroyos but they are played by adults. The re-enactors you show videos of are too old for me to believe they were teen age children..
Thank you, yes the whole Gods of Bronze series will be available. Book 2 Thunderer will be out soon. And my Immortal Knight Chronicles is available - first 3 books are out now, books 4 and 5 due shortly, and the rest will follow in time.
Yes the reenactors are not reenacting the koryos but far later time periods. If there was stock footage available of teenagers wearing wolf skins with soot blackened faces I would certainly use it. Hopefully one day it will be available.
I enjoy your subject matter a lot !
This is a great video, very well done!
Thank you, glad you think so.
Deer season is right around the corner and watching this is making my inner predator wiggle. I can’t wait to be out in the woods hiding and waiting for the perfect shot to bring home food for my family. And if something far worse comes due to the climate of the world, I’m ready for that as well.
Awesome!! I find the whole subject of men becoming more in order to achieve great acts quite interesting and te origins of the most famous version of this is so cool!
So I’ve been learning about the Sicarii in Roman Palestine and I cannot help but notice certain similarities to these warbands.
There are obviously very key differences, but the going into the wilderness, all young men, taking from the landowning people with property, the zealousness, etc.
I’m still shocked there hasn’t been an assassins creed game based on the Sicarii yet, there are so many stunning locations, memorable characters (like Simon bar Giora, now remembered as Simon the Zealot in Christian tradition) and great stories.
8:15 hey Dan, where can I find more information about this Soma? Purely for intellectual and research purposes, I assure you.
You can actually give yourself a hyped up mania on demand, you just have to learn how to tap into it. It can be similar to pumping yourself up before a football play or a deadlift PR.
Hi Dan interesting hypothesis, have you tried to have a meta look on the Indo-Europeans early pratices in their migrations? Do you find similar pratices in say northern Indian, Caucasus, or Scandinavia? The subject of social structure And early gods transcending to germanic Pantheon has always been Alluring to me, trying to trace that spark from a possible urheimat. Thank you for your great content👍
Thank you. The use of an attitude toward horses by these various cultures is explored by these hippologists. Horse gods are important to different extents. Often amongst Iron Age cultures of Europe and India it's the chariot more than horse riding that is emphasised, from Greece to India. It's a very interesting question.
@@DanDavisHistory the horse had a very mythological status in iron age Scandinavia, what most people do not know is, that germanic Scandinavian tribes and later medival Scandinavian Steel age ( Vikings, i do not like that name since its meaning are not a people or tribe) where very good horsemen and breded horses. Odins horse Sleipnir and other Norse mythology horses Play an important part in their mythology. At the great blot sites (sacrifice sites) in lejre Denmark and Uppsala sweden, they hanged horses in honour of the gods in trees. Many ironage gravesites have horses in them. I come from Odense (Odins vig, Odins Bay) in Denmark, we have a great deal of iron age findings. Some are with Roman stirrups and horse garments, the hypothesis is that Young iron age men where foederati along the Roman Limes and even in the Marcoman wars. There are findings with roman cavelry swords and armor. I am more and more convinced that the germanic tribes hail from somehwere on the pontic steppe, they brought horseman ship and new gods with them, maybe the Asir and vanir war, was a real thing, a social upheavel in Europe.
I'm kind of surprised there isn't any mythological warrior that harnesses the power of like badgers or wolverinea XD those things are nasty, a crazed warrior just hustling and never stopping fighting is horrifying.
Hulkoff made a song about that called Jarfr, I highly suggest checking it out.
That sounds like such a wonderful civilization with all their laws and customs, a child in ancient times was probably wiser than an adult in modern society.
There's a lot of truth to that. I think human arrogance is becoming a big problem, along with ignorance. We tend to think we're so much smarter than our ancestors, and we think our society is so much better. We go on and on about science, and how impressive the technology has become. Frankly, I think technology is making us lazier and dumber :/
@@RockerNate81 I think technology will be the downfall of the human species. Self driven cars are on the horizon, we're becoming a civilization of children. All I want to do is get some land and go off grid
@@kevinfidler8074 Good luck with that. It's nearly impossible to go off the grid these days :P
@@RockerNate81 Thanks, I think for me getting affordable land that isn't 7+ hours away is the more impossible part
@@kevinfidler8074 Yeah. I don't know what to tell you, man. At some point, the government probably won't even allow people to live in places like that (unfortunately).
Great content 👌
keep up good work! you re the best on youtube!
Thank you. Now I know the origin of the term wolfshead referring to outlaws
Wow....I just discovered yr channel...just fantastic story telling and riveting Stories....ENCORE!! [just hit subscribe and Bell]
Love your videos Are your books available as audiobooks?
Found Godborn on Audible, pretty applicable to this episode too, with the Koryos.
Thank you. Yes the links are in the description!
Thank you, yes the whole story was inspired by the koryos.
@@DanDavisHistory Just got to chapter 6, voice actor sounds like he was there and *there* is described in enthralling detail - without being gruesome. I almost know the characters, or at least think I do and care about what happens them. Kudos sir. It's my shame that I wouldn't have discovered the books without the videos but finding videos on a subject of interest and then discovering you've written books on the matter - I'm in.
Thank you so much, I am so glad to hear that.
Wonderful!
I will always remember when we were in one of those festive event, masked people with animal skins marching the city, it was actually quiet the sight with all this torches at night, very joyful too. Then one of them came next to us and began to make vast gestures and silly loud noise, and our young daughter started to scream so loud the guy had to back up quickly, we also had to head home to calm her down as she wouldn't stop screaming. xD
You made the right choice by depicting the God of the Koryos as one-eyed.
In Ireland it is Fionn Mac Cumhail who is the God of the Warrior Band, known as Fianna. However, one of his member is known as Goll Mac Morna, and Goll means "one-eyed". While Fionn is the youthful warrior god, Goll represents his destructive aspect, one that needs to be tamed by Fionn himself and... funny, in some stories it is Goll who fights against Lugh, not Balor, or it means that Balor and Goll are one and the same.
Fascinating story Dan.
Cheers Pat.
@@DanDavisHistory The teen years in that time and place were brutal... how wimpy we (as a society) are nowadays...
Our ancestors - all of us living today around the world I mean - are all the survivors of unbelievable hardships.
@@DanDavisHistory It's humbling . We are living in fortunate times , for now...
About spirit animals:
I believe the essence is a unity rather than a transformation of your humanity. It does not remove or change our humanity. It draws out our purest self by way of a companion spirit.
A tribe may have a guiding spirit. A whole nation of tribes and even a person can have their own and shared spirits all at once.
People are of 3 spirits. 2 souls. One mind.
The honey badger is my spirit animal.
Herodot tells us about Neuri, who were changing into wolves for few days. I think that it may be a tradition of Koryos...
Good video
Thank you.
Just found your site... some of the better content I've heard on berserking... And you mentioned a personal hero of mine Julius Civilis !!! "by his Roman name"
His battle against Rome is dramatic/epic and is over shadowed by the battle of teutoburg forest just not much content... I'm subscribing great video !!!
Thank you, I'm glad you found the channel. Cheers.
I was touched by this video. Sublimating these feral warrior instincts into a modern technological milieu is a trick in itself. It's always a fine balance between the individual and the collective. But it is not a static balance, and must be measured against the background of real time events demanding constant updating of effort and modeled outcomes. Point being you need to keep the potential of ripping your enemy's guts out in your kit bag. Trouble is that the pacifist's repudiation of violence sets society up to take the role of the "Eloi" of H. G. Welles' "The time Machine" and become nothing but meat to obsolete predatory mud dwellers.
As an initiation rite into adulthood, it seems to achieve two main purposes. Life-proven self sufficient individuals and tribal cohesion.
Cheers mate i like your stuff
Thank you.
In Irish myth going berserk is usually translated as “warp spasm”
These are also the Nazarites, and the "stranger”, “outcast”, "wildman", “leper” and perpetrator of the sacrifice or “cannibal” eater of the sacrifice. In terms of gods, I would suggest the god “Kur” or KR/KL . A word that has been proposed as part of the “mother tongue” due to its extensive use around the world. The word meaning “hole’, ‘cave’, or “underworld” has extensions and scatters to a complex of recurring themes: wild mountains, wolves, outcastes, blacksmithing and arts, the color red, wine making, the constellation Orion (and the Hyades), among others.
Cool!