Selling a guitar to a fan for "more than what it cost in the store" sounds EXACTLY like what Gene & Paul would do but, it pisses them off if Vinnie does it.
Paul famously destroying the cheap Gibson Marauders on stage, while playing a far superior Les Paul….Kiss (especially Gene) might be marketing heroes but seem to be terrible human beings!
A fool and his 🪙soon part. There are no shortage of fools. Just watch any random live stream. You'll see people throwing money out just to hear their fake YTUBE name spoken. 😂
I’m not a Vinnie fan but Paul is sitting there talking about Vinnie embarrassing him, but Paul is not embarrassed by selling a 10K+ VIP package that doesn’t even include meeting the band. Shady.
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq yeah I want to know who is paying $10k to just go backstage without being able to meet the band..? Surely this isn’t the case as it makes no sense
I think the difference you're missing is that the prices Gene and Paul set might be ridiculous, but they aren't being dishonest. What they find unethical is Vinnie straight up lying and saying some random guitar he's played maybe once or twice is a beloved favorite he's owned for a long time. Do I think a VIP package, even if I would get to meet the band, is worth $10,000? *Jesus, no.* But, if someone pays the $10k, they can't say they got ripped off - they got exactly what was advertised to them.
I was a huge Kiss fan when I was 10 years old, until 14 years old , after Dynasty and Unmasked , departure of Peter and Ace. I lost interest, and I'm amazed that people still give a dam about them . Yet I must say I used to love these guys .
His twin daughters both live a few miles away from me. I've seen them around, but don't know them. A buddy's daughter works at one of their hair salons. Said they're really nice people, but want nothing to do with Vinnie.
A. Too many sources indicate this. However, Vinnie probably didn’t sign that band agreement with Kiss because he wasn’t treated as anything but a hired gun, where Ace was more of a partner. This documentary mentioned nothing regarding his contribution to writing parts of “Kiss - Revenge”. His gifts are undeniable.
To my understanding, anyone after Peter and Ace, all other people to join Kiss are and were considered hired guns leaving Paul and Gene to be the boss.
However they (KISS) had a rule. Anyone not an original member (including Eric Carr) were employees of the band. Actually a very sneaky (but legal) way of not paying anymore the same amount as an original member.
True. Vinnie may be a fucked up guy, but his skills saved KISS' ass in the Eighties. And Revenge is one of KISS' greatest albums, regardless of era. Not too into the VVI stuff but yeah, the guy definitely has the goods. As for contracts, I can see that. Unfortunately, Creatures Of The Night didn't sell like expected, it wasn't a commercial success at the time. If things had been different, maybe Paul and Gene would had seen the value of his contribution a little better and offered him a better contract. Lick It Up was a success, but soon after, he was gone.
So drumming or playing guitar is similar to the ability to play certain sports in that certain people are just “gifted” with whatever it takes to be a natural at it…?
Like him or not and joking about him is fun and all, nobody should disregard and deny the contributions he's made to KISS and the real musical talent he's gifted with. And all the shit hes been through, outside of music, is devastating
Cry me a river....ACE was on that album cover for the first year and we went to see them only to find someone who looked in drag.......🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 He didn't ADD to their sound.....when Ace and Peter left most fans lost interest. They need a schtick, so they hurried through "lick it up" and took off the makeup to try to get their fans back.....I went back long enough to look at the album cover and I was THROUGH. KISS ruled the 70s with marketing genius and now they get a soy boy in the band ........OVERRATED
@@shannonandsheila1403 says a Gen Zero........KISS ALIVE 2 WAS THE BEST AND DESTROYER WAS BEST STUDIO ALBUM. We're talking songs like DETROIT ROCK CITY, BETH , AND GOD OF THUNDER......lick it up is the "🌈" ALBUM and you are SUS AF
"Sold a guitar to a fan for more than it cost in the store....." The tone of voice suggests Paul and Gene are pissef off that they didn't think of that first and Vinnie didnt give them a percentage.
My engineer bill matoyer said during the recording of Vinnie guitar they had him in the studio next door and could still you could hear him out onto street ha ha he used like 4 marshall stacks which is rediculous for recording guitar tracks crazy dude !!
At this point in Kisstory when Vinnie came along it was the Gene and Paul band, not Kiss. While only with Kiss for a couple of years, he got to wear the new Ankh makeup. Then take it off. Which set up Kiss for their union tour later down the line. Vinnie gave Kiss a boost with his guitar playing and songwriting that they sorely needed. Remember Music from the Elder? That's what Paul and Gene were up to before Vinnie came along. Plus, they had had enough dealing with Ace and Peter and weren't about to let anyone, especially a new guitar player or drummer, ruin their band. Like it or not Vinnie was good for Kiss at the time but he came with all of his eccentricities as a package deal. Gene and Paul tried to keep him on a short leash. Some people are made for that, Vinnie was not. It's just too bad the Gene and Paul band wouldn't swallow their pride and include the past members of Kiss in their End of the Road World Tour. I would have gone to see that.
Vinnie was and still is his own worst enemy, he has sabotaged every single chance he's had. even was talking about a VVI box set and pre sold the set and never delivered it and ghosted the people he took money from. he's a great guitarist but a slimeball of a human being.
Vinnie felt betrayed when fans of VVI jumped ship and became "Slaughter" fans so he decided to get even and scam them re: pre-paid orders for a box set that never came. Vinnie also thought he was gonna cash in when "KISS" reunited in 96' with a frivilous lawsuit, thinking because they were raking in millions that tbey would just settle out of court with him which didn't happen leaving Vinnie more in debt now owing the "KISS" camp $82k for legal costs. And according to what I read he was nursing a costly cocaine habit throughout the 90's with his then wife Dianne and, that shit costs money ya know.
I met him in Salt Lake city, UT sometime in the 80's, talked to him for about 10 minutes backstage after a concert and he was so nice to me, I will always remember him to be a nice guy.
I think they couldn’t con him . He may well be a flakey dude but I think it was his wilyness and not wanting to sign away his power in a bad contract that was the problem .
Gene and Paul have always been the core of the band, more invested than any other member. Apart from a short time trying to find their way after losing Ace and Peter to their addictions Kiss has been a pretty stable band. I'm sure their work ethic and focus can make them difficult to work with, but that's the environment you've got to fit into if you join the established band.
@johnnynephrite6147 They sure would & they would slap a Kiss Logo on the bottle of water and charge at least $5-$8 dollars for one bottle of it. They would claim it is official Kiss water and what they drank on the last tour. They would also say Gene & Paul touched each bottle so you have a small chance of getting one of their finger prints as well. Let's see, they claimed they mixed their own blood into the ink used for their comic books (as a former Printer in my past life this would never work) so what can they add into the official Kiss bottled water? They could bottle it at the source in NYC where they first started. They could hire people to fill up the bottles at the source using the water tap at their old apartment or something like that. They could even have a contest, get the water bottle that has the word Kiss under the bottle cap and you win an all expense paid vacation to that old apartment and you get to help fill up water bottles for several days for free. They will give you the privilege of working for free on an official Kiss item. .. hehehehe. They still have other items they can put the Kiss Logo on to make more retirement money. Gene and Paul are getting up there in age now so maybe they could make their own brand of "Kiss Adult Diapers", Kiss "Canes & Walkers" and maybe a Kiss Commode to top it all off. Kiss (Hotter Than Hell) Hemorrhoid Creme , Kiss Dentures, Kiss (Love Gun) ED Pills are a few more items they can add to the list while they are making their own Kiss water.
"Initially, Robert Fleishman ... fronted the band and recorded their debut album" 20 seconds later "The bands self-titled debut album, featuring Slaughters' vocals..." It was Fleishman on the debut, it was Slaughter on the follow-up, All Systems Go.
Great songs although I do find the vocals on both grating at times. One can only wonder how they would have sounded as Kiss tracks had BOTH parties recognised the potential of the relationship and reigned it in a little...
as a guitarist I found the invasion material a little lame with only a few tracks of interest. Being of that era and being introduced to the then unknown mark slaughter was awesome. The soundtrack tune from the nightmare on elm st. was superlative. Always on my Playlist for decades so in a sense VINNIE captured the magic he apparently was chasing. the recent demos released and on y.t show some radical shreds. I can't stand robert fleisman just not my taste.
I like Kiss, but never followed them closely until recently. Didn't know much outside of their founding members. This was a very interesting/educating piece of rock history. Very glad I watched. Cool to see the beginnings of Slaughter as a side story.
I was a teenager when kiss was popular and I remember really liking him. And I still feel that positivity. He has a kind of a star quality, it comes from him being so weird and so gifted and so smart. He has turned out some incredible tracks over the years. It's also clear that he struggles to fit in on this planet, and I think that makes a lot of us see ourselves in him. He is quite unique.
I've always been a fan of Vinnie Cusano. When Creatures of the Night was released (in vinyl) back in the early '80's, it was apparent that something had changed in the KISS camp. The songwriting was better, and the guitar work kicked major ass. On that album, Gene and Paul collaborated with Vinnie (and his friends from the Bryan Adams circle of musicians) in ways that they hadn't done with Ace. Vinnie Vincent (as the Ankh) had arrived. After the success of Lick It Up, it looked like VV might become a permanent member. Wishful thinking, I guess. Animalize was pretty damn good but the next three albums were mostly duds. Revenge took KISS to new heights but not much mattered after the KISS with Make-up Reunion Tour that took the world by storm in the late '90's.
There's Gene dissing Ace again, saying V.V. could play rings around him, hey Gene who was it that helped you have one of the biggest bands on the planet? I think the line-up of Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter could never ever be beat, it was magic, and for me (a Kiss fan from the begining ) love Ace's guitar style, his Solo album was by far my favorite of the four, Gene even in newer interviews never fails to take a jab at Ace's and Peter's expense, just redicuculos and so ungrateful, just my opinion, be safe all
There’s a story that Adrian Smith heard Vinnie play the guitar Jeff Beck style and did it perfectly. When Adrian asked why he didn’t play like that Vinnie said “it’s all about playing fast”
I am mesmerized by this guy. I remember in high school when the VVI debut album was released, my local record store had a huge display of the album. The whole thing was over the top, especially the vocals and the insane guitar solos. When they released All Systems Go, I was glad that Mark Slaughter was now the singer. I just couldn't handle Robert's vocals. ASG was better (just my opinion) in every way imaginable: songs were better, solos were more restrained, vocals were actually listenable. Years later, I can't remember where, I bought the Euphoria album. Cool to hear Vinnie again. Didn't need another set of songs with Robert singing, but whatever. Here we are in 2025 and I would love to hear some new VV music. Somehow I doubt that'll ever happen, which makes Vinnie even more interesting. Everyone who knows him says he's ridiculously talented as a songwriter and singer. He's been MIA (in terms of releasing music) since 1996. I'm guessing (hoping) he has some amazing vault of material that he could release. If he doesn't, then what's he been doing all these years since Euphoria???
Gene and Paul actually have personal relationships and friends. Vinnie is not capable of that. But the ignorance level with that comment is off the charts.
I still love Vinny Vincent. His guitar playing is nothing short of amazing. How the hell he gets his guitar to sound like a violin in some songs is mind-boggling! Just listen to the song Love Kills… The music is just so awesome. I’d love to hear him come out with new stuff, I’m a big fan. I love him together with Mark slaughter!
??? say it ain't so. Even SHARON is involved with dirty/shady behavior and overall cruelty towards humans? Look -- that kinda slander is SLANDER and just NOT true. I know this because when I think about it, I just can't picture her acting in such ways. So it CANT be true in my world of truthiness. Also, don't you people realize who her FATHER was? 'ol Donny was an O.A. ... Original Angel . . before the music business of rock and roll was filled w nasty, dishonest crooks and shady businessmen, the FIRST super-power producers were nothing but warm- hearted silly old men who went around making sure people felt good and that all the up&coming stars were emotionally healthy .... And not missing their parents too much what with being on the road/newly minted touring machines. I simply cannot believe that the daughter of Sir/Saint Donald Arden could or would ever stray away from the family's original mission statement: make sure everyone is happy... All the time!
The only thing I know about Vinnie Vincent is he opened for Iron Maiden in Tulsa in 1987. That was my first concert ever and I was a Sr in High School. I have dinner about once a month with my friend who took me and we always talk about that. What an awesome experience!
I had the distinct pleasure of talking with Vinnie at the NAMM way back.... myself and my drummer at the time hit it off with Vinnie and even talked about jamming. Vinnie was looking for a rhythm section then. He wasn't erratic at all, but instead a very motivated and talented guy trying to make his way in a cruel business.
"Was/Is Vinnie a "difficult person?" is a limiting question. If he's a perfectionist & a control freak (I understand that - I'm both, too), it's no wonder that he & Gene Simmons butted heads. Gene's a major control freak, & I think Paul is, too, but to a lesser extent. Put them together + Vinnie, & they bring out the worst in each other. Perfectionism makes a person very difficult to deal with b/c whatever they're doing is NEVER good enough; God forbid there should be others involved. I agree with the post below that Vinnie's worst enemy is himself. I wish him well & hope he finds what he's still searching for. ❤❤
PS: Perfectionists are truly tortured souls. Perfectionists who are also control freaks are effing miserable to work with, be around & always unhappy. This unhappiness is taken out on those in his/her sphere. You didn't say, but was substance involved? Sorry, this got a little longer than intended. I'm stepping off the soap box now.
I would imagine that working with Gene and Paul would test anyone’s patience. I would seriously like to see a reality show where Vinnie and Corey Feldman are roommates.
@12:11- mark slaughter didn't sing lead vocals on the vinnie vincent invasion debut album. those were robert fleischman's lead tracks. mark slaughter wouldn't sing lead on a vvi studio album until all systems go.
And you know what? In doing so Vinnie very successfully made two mediocre records with non sensical solos, and non sensically shrill vocals. Mark sounds amazing on the Slaughter tunes. I can only guess, he would've made Vinnie's equally or moreso badass, if Vinnie hadn't been so narrow minded in what he wanted. I personally know Fleischman. I've never said som because I respect him professionally, but his vocal stylings are not my thing. I like Bon Scott, and Steve Marriott. Mark in my opinion, is a great fucking singer. Slaughter is NOT a hair metal band. They're hard Rock pop.
@@benjaminbaird9303 Actually, the first released album would have been pretty good if not for those horrific vocals that could peel paint. And his own vocals from his unreleased album prior to Kiss were not bad at all. The guy had some actual talent before he turned into Elizabeth Taylor.
I remember being in high school and watching the world premiere of the “Lick it Up” video on MTV followed by the live premiere of KISS without the makeup. It was hyped for weeks. The opening shot starts at the guys’ boots and slowly tilts up. When they showed Vinnie, me and my friend gasped “Oh my God, they hired a GIRL!!!” All these years later, turns out we were right! 😂. But hey, whatever.
I remember being in 1st grade. My daddy would say " why you like that whyte man music, boy" 😂😂😂 I remember being the only blk person at a kiss concert in Houston ( lm from New Orleans)
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtqcheers to you, brother. I firmly believe that music is meant to be enjoyed by ANYBODY--if you like how something sounds, if you connect with it, who CARES what the musicians look like, if they look like you or not. Also, any REAL guitarist will freely admit that so much of rock music owes its very existence to the old blues guitarists like Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. You know, BLACK GUYS. 😮😅 (as well as Chuck Berry, though i hate mentioning the guy bc of his thing for underage girls--i hate EVERY grown man who pursues sex with underage peoples). All that said, VV 100% WAS/IS a weirdo 4sho. As are Simmons, Stanley, Frehley. This is why it's almost always best to limit our interest in musicians to their actual MUSIC, not their actual lifestyle choices.
I read they were paying him $450 a week and he was forced to sell guitars because he couldn’t even pay his rent and he’s not the first hired gun that he said that about Simmons and Stanley think about who they are
@@marleyhatesyouall8394 That's less than $25,000 a year. That may have been good money for an unskilled laborer but, it's an insult for the guitarist of KISS. I wouldn't expect the new guy to make as much as Gene & Paul but, he shouldn't be making less than a carpenter or a plumber.
Phil Collins paid Leland Sklar 500 a week to tour with him in the early 90s.... Ozzy paid Jake E Lee about the same (his wife's idea) and he wasn't the only one. The attitude of all these larger groups is "we can get anybody we want" and if they ask for more they'll get replaced with somebody who will do it for less. Not saying its right, just how it is.
As well as all his expenses on the road covered. His weekly pay (that came whether on the road or not) went straight in his pocket. On top of royalties. I can’t remember the actuals of his pay or the math, but it was a decent chunk of change at the time.
Paul and Gene truly deserve all of the accolades they've received over the years... They've worked hard and have great talent... But jeez they need to think before opening their mouths about previous band mates.... They've had to deal with alot but they're as deluded as the rest.... As for the fans both of them are guilty of fleecing fans for decades.... Never meet your hero's they could turn out to be proper lemons... 🤘
I saw both of the KISS tours with Vinnie and he was incredible. And I mean INCREDIBLE. Sadly, somewhere along the way his mooring lines parted and he drifted off into uncharted waters. It's a pity because he really was good.
He left and took his songs with him - that’s why Animalize was so poor. He refused to sign an agreement that required him to surrender his publishing. He wasn’t dismissed. That’s just propaganda from a bitter Paul and Gene.
And look what happened when Vinnie had total control ..his solo venture failed, his albums didnt sell or go Gold. His record label dumped him, "Slaughter" was forned and their debut album went double platinum. Do the math it appears the problem is Vinnie and only Vinnie. Vinnie is not a team player and the only thing he mastered was "Burnin Bridges" cancellatuons and broken promises, etc.
I was never a fan of Vinnies guitar work or songwriting. Having said that, I do like that he used to refer to Paul Stanley as, "Mean Mister Mustard". Paul was following trends instead of setting them when he decided that KISS needed a shredder. Then, when that little scheme didn't work, Paul blames everyone else except himself, the one whom hired the shredder and personally approved every song and every solo. But no. Paul made Vinnie the problem he turned out to be. So remember kids, when your cheap schemes fail always try to ruin someone else's reputation. It will make you feel SO much better about being gay...errr...I mean...being angry...!!!!
Wow. I remember in Detroit when Vinnie Vincent's Invasion opened for Iron Maiden and got booed off stage in about 20 minutes. Waysted was supposed to be the opener but we got VVI instead for some reason.
I was at a Kiss concert in the early 80’s with Ted Nugent as the opening act. There was some kind of huge argument going on back stage that we could hear, I was in the 6th row. Gene Simmons came out from behind the curtain and said that Ted would be playing lead guitar for the show. The argument got even louder and Vinnie came out with the band. Later Ted was seen with a lump on his forehead and a black eye. I never did hear all the details.
Bingo the same old story either it's you're band mates that don't or can't Wright want a cut of you're royalties or spits the fucking Lable vampires we all went thru the same shit !
I REALLY HAD TO LAUGH ABOUT VINNY SELLING A GUITAR FOR MORE MONEY THAN IT WAS IN A STORE. WHAT ABOUT THE 10000 BASSES GENE WAS SELLING, ALOT OF THOSE WERENT PLAYED EITHER. WAS A HUGE FAN FOR KISS BUT IM GLAD THEY ARE GONE NOW. ESPECIALLY WITH GENE BEING MONEY HUNGRY AND STANLEY SO PROUD OF TURNING AROUND AND WIGGLING HIS ASS IN FRONT OF THE CROWD, A LOOK AT ME, ME ME,ME,ME, MENTALITY SAME WITH SIMMONS . THE ONES WHO REALLY MADE THE BAND WAS PETER AND ACE, KULICK, AND VINNY( ONLY TO A POINT WITH VINNY THOUGH, GREAT GUITARIST BUT HE WAS WEIRD) AND AS FAR AS TOMMY........ HE SUCKS, HE NEVER WROTE THE SOLOS ACE DID, TOMMY IS A COPY CAT SAME GOES FOR THE LAST DRUMMER THEY HAD...... AS HE SUCKED TOO, PETER DID THE DRUMS THE LAST DRUMMER WAS A COPY CAT ALSO, AND OF COURSE TOMMY AND THE LAST DRUMMER THOUGHT THEY WERE THE GREATEST COPYING THE DRUM BEATS AND THE SOLOS BUT ALL THEY WERE , WERE DOUCHE BAG COPY CATS. GLAD KISS IS FINALLY GONE!
I think Mr Weird would have been a better character than the ankh warrior. I listen to his work every few years, but have never found anything musical about his playing-just sloppy fast with no feel or melody. But thats just me-I know some love him.
It has to be Paul and Gene- and no one else. As soon as their lack pf ability is blindingly apparent, they blame someone else. Ace, Vinnie, Bruce (said fu to both of them in all actuality), and then they hired a kid that did EXACTLY as he was told, talented and stunted in personal growth as a musician by being there. I am a long time Kiss fan, but their antics over the years have hurt allot of good people. They being Paul and Gene. So fu both ;-)
Funny thing is that I've never heard anyone say a nice thing about Vinnie Vincent or Dana Strum in terms of being a human being, BOTH played with Mark Slaughter who's a guy I've never heard anyone say a negative thing about. Vinnie seems to be one of those guys thats like the chick who looks great on your arm is equally great in bed, but thats it. Everything else is a complete nightmare and you can only deal w/that for so long.
Honestly, they would have been just fine and it would just be some other young gun on the credits of that time. Let's be honest, those songs are just power chord-driven basic rock and roll. Nobody was writing the next Abby Road up in that piece.
Mark Slaughter didn't sing on the first album. He appeared in the videos, and sang on the first tour. NO one musically could ever confuse his whiney pitched screeching with Robert Fleischman's incredibly powerful vocals
The Merry Metal Christmas shows were not cancelled. First of all, there were not a series of MMC shows, there was one at SIR in Nashville. I attended this show and actually got to play drums with Vinnie on Lick it Up (surreal moment for sure). Then he had subsequent shows at SIR in Nashville, but each had its own theme and was not part of the Xmas show.
I am on the side of Vinny. I feel like Gene and Paul are some of the biggest hypocrites ever in rock music. They do a lot of do as I say not as I do and when they get someone who is better than them, they put them down. Vinny helped resurrect their career not just once with Creatures of the Night but also with revenge. This was unfortunately left out of this story. After Vinny suitcase in the 80s and lost, he found a sort of redemption by bumping into Gene Simmons in the early 90s when Kiss was literally broke and worked with them to write songs for the revenge out, including unholy. Yes, then Vinny sued kiss again. Fast forward to when Gene Simmons did his vault experience. He invited Vinny to come out that says a lot, and like him or hate him the rock world is full of people who praise major scumbags such as Steven Tyler and Jimmy page. Vinny is eccentric and strange and there is a question if he is transgendered, but how does that affect anything of what he was as an awesomeguitarist.
Selling a guitar to a fan for "more than what it cost in the store" sounds EXACTLY like what Gene & Paul would do but, it pisses them off if Vinnie does it.
LMAO, good point
Paul famously destroying the cheap Gibson Marauders on stage, while playing a far superior Les Paul….Kiss (especially Gene) might be marketing heroes but seem to be terrible human beings!
They do it all the time lol
A fool and his 🪙soon part. There are no shortage of fools. Just watch any random live stream. You'll see people throwing money out just to hear their fake YTUBE name spoken. 😂
He learned from the best!!!😊
I’m not a Vinnie fan but Paul is sitting there talking about Vinnie embarrassing him, but Paul is not embarrassed by selling a 10K+ VIP package that doesn’t even include meeting the band. Shady.
Ppl would pay 10k and not even meet the band? What would they pay for?
@@TattooedHoodlumif you can dish that out can you take it?
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtq yeah I want to know who is paying $10k to just go backstage without being able to meet the band..? Surely this isn’t the case as it makes no sense
I think the difference you're missing is that the prices Gene and Paul set might be ridiculous, but they aren't being dishonest. What they find unethical is Vinnie straight up lying and saying some random guitar he's played maybe once or twice is a beloved favorite he's owned for a long time.
Do I think a VIP package, even if I would get to meet the band, is worth $10,000? *Jesus, no.* But, if someone pays the $10k, they can't say they got ripped off - they got exactly what was advertised to them.
I was a huge Kiss fan when I was 10 years old, until 14 years old , after Dynasty and Unmasked , departure of Peter and Ace. I lost interest, and I'm amazed that people still give a dam about them . Yet I must say I used to love these guys .
His twin daughters both live a few miles away from me. I've seen them around, but don't know them. A buddy's daughter works at one of their hair salons. Said they're really nice people, but want nothing to do with Vinnie.
Do they look like him?
they changed their names, are not Cusano anymore
I'm surprised he has biological kids. Tbh
@@darrellpasion8925why? All walks of people have bio kids.
As a little kid I watched Joanie loves Chachi for the music. Who knew it was Vinnie that wrote it? 🤯
A. Too many sources indicate this.
However, Vinnie probably didn’t sign that band agreement with Kiss because he wasn’t treated as anything but a hired gun, where Ace was more of a partner.
This documentary mentioned nothing regarding his contribution to writing parts of “Kiss - Revenge”.
His gifts are undeniable.
To my understanding, anyone after Peter and Ace, all other people to join Kiss are and were considered hired guns leaving Paul and Gene to be the boss.
However they (KISS) had a rule. Anyone not an original member (including Eric Carr) were employees of the band. Actually a very sneaky (but legal) way of not paying anymore the same amount as an original member.
Tommy and Eric were both hired guns too…but they don’t seem to be drama queens either.
True. Vinnie may be a fucked up guy, but his skills saved KISS' ass in the Eighties. And Revenge is one of KISS' greatest albums, regardless of era. Not too into the VVI stuff but yeah, the guy definitely has the goods.
As for contracts, I can see that. Unfortunately, Creatures Of The Night didn't sell like expected, it wasn't a commercial success at the time. If things had been different, maybe Paul and Gene would had seen the value of his contribution a little better and offered him a better contract. Lick It Up was a success, but soon after, he was gone.
So drumming or playing guitar is similar to the ability to play certain sports in that certain people are just “gifted” with whatever it takes to be a natural at it…?
Like him or not and joking about him is fun and all, nobody should disregard and deny the contributions he's made to KISS and the real musical talent he's gifted with. And all the shit hes been through, outside of music, is devastating
Agreed 👍
Cry me a river....ACE was on that album cover for the first year and we went to see them only to find someone who looked in drag.......🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 He didn't ADD to their sound.....when Ace and Peter left most fans lost interest. They need a schtick, so they hurried through "lick it up" and took off the makeup to try to get their fans back.....I went back long enough to look at the album cover and I was THROUGH. KISS ruled the 70s with marketing genius and now they get a soy boy in the band ........OVERRATED
Lick it up is the best album kiss ever made and the last
@@shannonandsheila1403 says a Gen Zero........KISS ALIVE 2 WAS THE BEST AND DESTROYER WAS BEST STUDIO ALBUM. We're talking songs like DETROIT ROCK CITY, BETH , AND GOD OF THUNDER......lick it up is the "🌈" ALBUM and you are SUS AF
What is a gen zero? That is all i ask, lol.
Really nice job. We all know Vinnie's history, but the editing and graphics made it palatable. I really enjoyed it. Nice job again.
I loved Invasion when it came out. The shredding on that album is amazing IMO.
You're mistaken about Mark Slaughter singing on the first album. He toured, but did not record until the 2nd. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, this is a huge and obvious mistake.
BIG MISTAKE....
"Sold a guitar to a fan for more than it cost in the store....."
The tone of voice suggests Paul and Gene are pissef off that they didn't think of that first and Vinnie didnt give them a percentage.
Exactly.
Yet, that's exactly what Paul and Gene did during the farewell tour, lol
🔯🕎😂✡️🔯
It were worth extra money because the Vinnie's fingerprints were all over it.
paul and Gene sold lunchbox that they would never eat from
Vinnie’s worst enemy is Vinnie Vincent.
Mhm...Much like KISS Same old same damn old...
Many people are their own worst critic and their own worst enemy , many people destroy themselves .
Vinnie's worst enemy is actually Vincent.
Gene said that in an interview.
Yeah, wasn't it Paul Stanley that named him Vinnie Vincent. I'm sure they could have come up with a much better name.
Vinnie Vincent looked like that dude who was chained to the back of a motorcycle in 'The Road Warrior' movie.
Hahaha!!!
HAHA !!!!!! Totally.
I thought I was watching an Italian grandma about to do a pasta sauce recipe.
Seriously! hahahaha
Actually, he looked more like KK (Judas Priest)
His interview sounds super gracious. And no one questioned his talent.
To me the Vinnie Vincent Invasion albums were absolutely amazing and still listen to them today
Absolutely they are and Mark's vocals were great live back in 87.
My engineer bill matoyer said during the recording of Vinnie guitar they had him in the studio next door and could still you could hear him out onto street ha ha he used like 4 marshall stacks which is rediculous for recording guitar tracks crazy dude !!
@@jerrywatt6813 oh wow!!! 4 marshall stacks!? That’s crazy but pretty bad ass 😀👍🏻
@@Rg452 oh even better live right? 👍🏻🤘🏻
That first VV album rips & must be played loud , after that he’s a nut job !
If you have four dogs fight so bad they kill each other, you are a crap dog owner and should be charged with cruelty.
Listen to the song "Burnin' Bridges" on the Slaughter album 'Stick it to ya'. It wont take long to figure out who the song is about.
At this point in Kisstory when Vinnie came along it was the Gene and Paul band, not Kiss. While only with Kiss for a couple of years, he got to wear the new Ankh makeup. Then take it off.
Which set up Kiss for their union tour later down the line. Vinnie gave Kiss a boost with his guitar playing and songwriting that they sorely needed. Remember Music from the Elder? That's what Paul and Gene were up to before Vinnie came along. Plus, they had had enough dealing with Ace and Peter and weren't about to let anyone, especially a new guitar player or drummer, ruin their band. Like it or not Vinnie was good for Kiss at the time but he came with all of his eccentricities as a package deal. Gene and Paul tried to keep him on a short leash. Some people are made for that, Vinnie was not. It's just too bad the Gene and Paul band wouldn't swallow their pride and include the past members of Kiss in their End of the Road World Tour. I would have gone to see that.
Vinnie was invited, like Paul said anyone can buy a ticket 😅
Vinnie was and still is his own worst enemy, he has sabotaged every single chance he's had. even was talking about a VVI box set and pre sold the set and never delivered it and ghosted the people he took money from. he's a great guitarist but a slimeball of a human being.
It's okay tho cuz he makes up for it with his parties and birthday bashes you can get in for only a little more than half a grand :D
@@gameboycat05.....he's so effeminate , I'd never hang with someone who is in the club .
Vinnie felt betrayed when fans of VVI jumped ship and became "Slaughter" fans so he decided to get even and scam them re: pre-paid orders for a box set that never came.
Vinnie also thought he was gonna cash in when "KISS" reunited in 96' with a frivilous lawsuit, thinking because they were raking in millions that tbey would just settle out of court with him which didn't happen leaving Vinnie more in debt now owing the "KISS" camp $82k for legal costs.
And according to what I read he was nursing a costly cocaine habit throughout the 90's with his then wife Dianne and, that shit costs money ya know.
@@naturalbornscorpio929WHERES THE PROOF FOR YOUR REASONING
I met him in Salt Lake city, UT sometime in the 80's, talked to him for about 10 minutes backstage after a concert and he was so nice to me, I will always remember him to be a nice guy.
I met Ted Bundy for 10 minutes , he seemed like a nice guy too me .
Great deep dive! 💯🔥💪👍
Somehow I can't give too much weight to Gene and Paul's complaints about Vinnie being a shyster...
I think they couldn’t con him . He may well be a flakey dude but I think it was his wilyness and not wanting to sign away his power in a bad contract that was the problem .
but he sold overpriced merch lol
If every member of Kiss seems to be a "problem" according to Gene and Paul, mabey it's not the member and look at Gene and Paul....
Even Gene was a problem when he went "Hollywood." Only Paul was the perfect one the whole time. Only Paul has never made a mistake.
Same as everyone loving Eddie van Halen , except his 3 lead singers
Let the record show Vinnie is the problem
Gene and Paul have always been the core of the band, more invested than any other member. Apart from a short time trying to find their way after losing Ace and Peter to their addictions Kiss has been a pretty stable band. I'm sure their work ethic and focus can make them difficult to work with, but that's the environment you've got to fit into if you join the established band.
@@SethEdwards-hq9pm
Why even respnd to ignorant comment
Gene and Paul would sell water to a penniless man who was dying of thirst.
@johnnynephrite6147 They sure would & they would slap a Kiss Logo on the bottle of water and charge at least $5-$8 dollars for one bottle of it. They would claim it is official Kiss water and what they drank on the last tour. They would also say Gene & Paul touched each bottle so you have a small chance of getting one of their finger prints as well. Let's see, they claimed they mixed their own blood into the ink used for their comic books (as a former Printer in my past life this would never work) so what can they add into the official Kiss bottled water? They could bottle it at the source in NYC where they first started. They could hire people to fill up the bottles at the source using the water tap at their old apartment or something like that. They could even have a contest, get the water bottle that has the word Kiss under the bottle cap and you win an all expense paid vacation to that old apartment and you get to help fill up water bottles for several days for free. They will give you the privilege of working for free on an official Kiss item. .. hehehehe.
They still have other items they can put the Kiss Logo on to make more retirement money. Gene and Paul are getting up there in age now so maybe they could make their own brand of "Kiss Adult Diapers", Kiss "Canes & Walkers" and maybe a Kiss Commode to top it all off.
Kiss (Hotter Than Hell) Hemorrhoid Creme , Kiss Dentures, Kiss (Love Gun) ED Pills are a few more items they can add to the list while they are making their own Kiss water.
The Vinnie Vincent Transition!
"Initially, Robert Fleishman ... fronted the band and recorded their debut album" 20 seconds later "The bands self-titled debut album, featuring Slaughters' vocals..." It was Fleishman on the debut, it was Slaughter on the follow-up, All Systems Go.
got news for you - the vinnie vincent years were the best part of the kiss show live - freshest sound - highest energy
Incredibly underrated music and song writer.
underrated for good. Cuz he is not anymore.
his two Invasion albums are so underrated the songs are top-notch the lyrics and themes excellence I still listen to them regularly
@@jasong8377 agreed. As a musician/songwriter myself his music is really inspiring to me
Agree 100pc.
Great songs although I do find the vocals on both grating at times. One can only wonder how they would have sounded as Kiss tracks had BOTH parties recognised the potential of the relationship and reigned it in a little...
agree , personally i love the second better , but the first has major songs too !!
as a guitarist I found the invasion material a little lame with only a few tracks of interest. Being of that era and being introduced to the then unknown mark slaughter was awesome. The soundtrack tune from the nightmare on elm st. was superlative. Always on my Playlist for decades so in a sense VINNIE captured the magic he apparently was chasing. the recent demos released and on y.t show some radical shreds. I can't stand robert fleisman just not my taste.
I like Kiss, but never followed them closely until recently. Didn't know much outside of their founding members. This was a very interesting/educating piece of rock history. Very glad I watched. Cool to see the beginnings of Slaughter as a side story.
I was a teenager when kiss was popular and I remember really liking him. And I still feel that positivity. He has a kind of a star quality, it comes from him being so weird and so gifted and so smart. He has turned out some incredible tracks over the years. It's also clear that he struggles to fit in on this planet, and I think that makes a lot of us see ourselves in him. He is quite unique.
Vinnie looks like an 80s Tweaker I knew named Scrawny Lonny. Who dated Specky Becky.
😂
I've always been a fan of Vinnie Cusano. When Creatures of the Night was released (in vinyl) back in the early '80's, it was apparent that something had changed in the KISS camp. The songwriting was better, and the guitar work kicked major ass. On that album, Gene and Paul collaborated with Vinnie (and his friends from the Bryan Adams circle of musicians) in ways that they hadn't done with Ace. Vinnie Vincent (as the Ankh) had arrived. After the success of Lick It Up, it looked like VV might become a permanent member. Wishful thinking, I guess. Animalize was pretty damn good but the next three albums were mostly duds. Revenge took KISS to new heights but not much mattered after the KISS with Make-up Reunion Tour that took the world by storm in the late '90's.
There's Gene dissing Ace again, saying V.V. could play rings around him, hey Gene who was it that helped you have one of the biggest bands on the planet? I think the line-up of Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter could never ever be beat, it was magic, and for me (a Kiss fan from the begining ) love Ace's guitar style, his Solo album was by far my favorite of the four, Gene even in newer interviews never fails to take a jab at Ace's and Peter's expense, just redicuculos and so ungrateful, just my opinion, be safe all
There’s a story that Adrian Smith heard Vinnie play the guitar Jeff Beck style and did it perfectly. When Adrian asked why he didn’t play like that Vinnie said “it’s all about playing fast”
Vinnie is a truly heavy case
I am mesmerized by this guy. I remember in high school when the VVI debut album was released, my local record store had a huge display of the album. The whole thing was over the top, especially the vocals and the insane guitar solos. When they released All Systems Go, I was glad that Mark Slaughter was now the singer. I just couldn't handle Robert's vocals. ASG was better (just my opinion) in every way imaginable: songs were better, solos were more restrained, vocals were actually listenable. Years later, I can't remember where, I bought the Euphoria album. Cool to hear Vinnie again. Didn't need another set of songs with Robert singing, but whatever. Here we are in 2025 and I would love to hear some new VV music. Somehow I doubt that'll ever happen, which makes Vinnie even more interesting. Everyone who knows him says he's ridiculously talented as a songwriter and singer. He's been MIA (in terms of releasing music) since 1996. I'm guessing (hoping) he has some amazing vault of material that he could release. If he doesn't, then what's he been doing all these years since Euphoria???
Stan Eisen and Chaim Witz calling someone else "dishonest in business dealings" is pretty funny
Gene Simmons calling anyone's ethics into question is peak irony.
Gene and Paul actually have personal relationships and friends. Vinnie is not capable of that. But the ignorance level with that comment is off the charts.
HOLYSHIT at 14:29 the Pic. on the right side he looks just like a woman poor guy 😂😂😂😂😂.
I still love Vinny Vincent. His guitar playing is nothing short of amazing. How the hell he gets his guitar to sound like a violin in some songs is mind-boggling! Just listen to the song Love Kills… The music is just so awesome. I’d love to hear him come out with new stuff, I’m a big fan. I love him together with Mark slaughter!
Ozzy and mostly sharon osbourne ripped many if their guitarists and bandmates off.
??? say it ain't so.
Even SHARON is involved with dirty/shady behavior and overall cruelty towards humans?
Look -- that kinda slander is SLANDER and just NOT true.
I know this because when I think about it, I just can't picture her acting in such ways. So it CANT be true in my world of truthiness.
Also, don't you people realize who her FATHER was? 'ol Donny was an O.A. ... Original Angel . . before the music business of rock and roll was filled w nasty, dishonest crooks and shady businessmen, the FIRST super-power producers were nothing but warm- hearted silly old men who went around making sure people felt good and that all the up&coming stars were emotionally healthy .... And not missing their parents too much what with being on the road/newly minted touring machines.
I simply cannot believe that the daughter of Sir/Saint Donald Arden could or would ever stray away from the family's original mission statement: make sure everyone is happy... All the time!
@@PhoraNuther get help
The only thing I know about Vinnie Vincent is he opened for Iron Maiden in Tulsa in 1987.
That was my first concert ever and I was a Sr in High School.
I have dinner about once a month with my friend who took me and we always talk about that.
What an awesome experience!
I had the distinct pleasure of talking with Vinnie at the NAMM way back.... myself and my drummer at the time hit it off with Vinnie and even talked about jamming. Vinnie was looking for a rhythm section then. He wasn't erratic at all, but instead a very motivated and talented guy trying to make his way in a cruel business.
I love these Docs it brings up memories like no other . I loved Slaughter and played tapes over and over air guitar faithfully.
That "Dirty Sanchez" moustache was outstanding 😆😆😆
Gooni goo-goo!
not a good mustache you are correct.
It made him less effeminate .
Yes
"Difficult" "Not a team player." We all know what that means coming from Gene and Paul.
"Was/Is Vinnie a "difficult person?" is a limiting question. If he's a perfectionist & a control freak (I understand that - I'm both, too), it's no wonder that he & Gene Simmons butted heads. Gene's a major control freak, & I think Paul is, too, but to a lesser extent. Put them together + Vinnie, & they bring out the worst in each other. Perfectionism makes a person very difficult to deal with b/c whatever they're doing is NEVER good enough; God forbid there should be others involved. I agree with the post below that Vinnie's worst enemy is himself. I wish him well & hope he finds what he's still searching for. ❤❤
PS: Perfectionists are truly tortured souls. Perfectionists who are also control freaks are effing miserable to work with, be around & always unhappy. This unhappiness is taken out on those in his/her sphere. You didn't say, but was substance involved? Sorry, this got a little longer than intended. I'm stepping off the soap box now.
Didn't he play Stallone's wife in the movie Rocky?
No he played next to Dolly Parton in 9 to 5.
🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, but he was typecast after that..😂
Connie Corleone
I would imagine that working with Gene and Paul would test anyone’s patience. I would seriously like to see a reality show where Vinnie and Corey Feldman are roommates.
Vinnie has THE kindest soul, such a warm man, but he also looks like my Italian grandma about to give up her secret red sauce recipe.
Excellent show!!! I'm in.
Martin
@12:11- mark slaughter didn't sing lead vocals on the vinnie vincent invasion debut album. those were robert fleischman's lead tracks. mark slaughter wouldn't sing lead on a vvi studio album until all systems go.
Only mimed the video
Facts, schmacts.
@@mhitson7483what were they supposed to do, hang a photo in his place?
And you know what? In doing so Vinnie very successfully made two mediocre records with non sensical solos, and non sensically shrill vocals. Mark sounds amazing on the Slaughter tunes. I can only guess, he would've made Vinnie's equally or moreso badass, if Vinnie hadn't been so narrow minded in what he wanted. I personally know Fleischman. I've never said som because I respect him professionally, but his vocal stylings are not my thing. I like Bon Scott, and Steve Marriott. Mark in my opinion, is a great fucking singer. Slaughter is NOT a hair metal band. They're hard Rock pop.
@@benjaminbaird9303 Actually, the first released album would have been pretty good if not for those horrific vocals that could peel paint. And his own vocals from his unreleased album prior to Kiss were not bad at all. The guy had some actual talent before he turned into Elizabeth Taylor.
The song “Love kills” from the Nightmare on elm street 4 soundtrack was awesome though.
The only talent Gene & Paul love is their own. Being a team player for those two is walking their line only.
Listen to a song he wrote called Maybe It's The Rain. Vinnie sings, and it's brilliant and outstanding.
I remember being in high school and watching the world premiere of the “Lick it Up” video on MTV followed by the live premiere of KISS without the makeup. It was hyped for weeks. The opening shot starts at the guys’ boots and slowly tilts up. When they showed Vinnie, me and my friend gasped “Oh my God, they hired a GIRL!!!” All these years later, turns out we were right! 😂. But hey, whatever.
He's my aunt doppelganger 😅
The Vinnie Vincent Transition!
WANT TO BE girl.
I remember being in 1st grade. My daddy would say " why you like that whyte man music, boy" 😂😂😂
I remember being the only blk person at a kiss concert in Houston ( lm from New Orleans)
@@DonnellOkafor_hateslgbtqcheers to you, brother. I firmly believe that music is meant to be enjoyed by ANYBODY--if you like how something sounds, if you connect with it, who CARES what the musicians look like, if they look like you or not.
Also, any REAL guitarist will freely admit that so much of rock music owes its very existence to the old blues guitarists like Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. You know, BLACK GUYS. 😮😅
(as well as Chuck Berry, though i hate mentioning the guy bc of his thing for underage girls--i hate EVERY grown man who pursues sex with underage peoples).
All that said, VV 100% WAS/IS a weirdo 4sho. As are Simmons, Stanley, Frehley. This is why it's almost always best to limit our interest in musicians to their actual MUSIC, not their actual lifestyle choices.
Say what you will about him personally, but he is easily my second favorite guitarist that KISS ever had, second only to Ace.
Rockstaritis can kill a career very quickly. Specially when theyre just starting out.
Great work on this piece....Vinnie is definitely talented and skilled but he seems to stand in his own way.
B.
I read they were paying him $450 a week and he was forced to sell guitars because he couldn’t even pay his rent and he’s not the first hired gun that he said that about Simmons and Stanley think about who they are
Gene and Paul invented copper wire fighting over a penny someone threw on the stage…..
450 a week was good money in 1982
@@marleyhatesyouall8394 That's less than $25,000 a year. That may have been good money for an unskilled laborer but, it's an insult for the guitarist of KISS. I wouldn't expect the new guy to make as much as Gene & Paul but, he shouldn't be making less than a carpenter or a plumber.
Phil Collins paid Leland Sklar 500 a week to tour with him in the early 90s.... Ozzy paid Jake E Lee about the same (his wife's idea) and he wasn't the only one. The attitude of all these larger groups is "we can get anybody we want" and if they ask for more they'll get replaced with somebody who will do it for less. Not saying its right, just how it is.
As well as all his expenses on the road covered. His weekly pay (that came whether on the road or not) went straight in his pocket. On top of royalties. I can’t remember the actuals of his pay or the math, but it was a decent chunk of change at the time.
A no question. This is very well documented.
Paul and Gene truly deserve all of the accolades they've received over the years... They've worked hard and have great talent... But jeez they need to think before opening their mouths about previous band mates.... They've had to deal with alot but they're as deluded as the rest.... As for the fans both of them are guilty of fleecing fans for decades.... Never meet your hero's they could turn out to be proper lemons... 🤘
I saw both of the KISS tours with Vinnie and he was incredible. And I mean INCREDIBLE.
Sadly, somewhere along the way his mooring lines parted and he drifted off into uncharted waters.
It's a pity because he really was good.
He left and took his songs with him - that’s why Animalize was so poor. He refused to sign an agreement that required him to surrender his publishing. He wasn’t dismissed. That’s just propaganda from a bitter Paul and Gene.
And look what happened when Vinnie had total control ..his solo venture failed, his albums didnt sell or go Gold. His record label dumped him, "Slaughter" was forned and their debut album went double platinum.
Do the math it appears the problem is Vinnie and only Vinnie.
Vinnie is not a team player and the only thing he mastered was "Burnin Bridges"
cancellatuons and broken promises, etc.
Those two albums were solid.
Vinnie Vincent Extraordinary Song Writer And Melodic Master Guitarist! GOD BLESS YOU WHERE EVER YOU MAY BE 🎸🧨
Great Artist and a troubled soul !!!!😢 hope he can find peace and happiness!!! And continue to release Great Guitars solos once again
Vinne vincent is a genius..
Kiss will be iconic forever and the drama is the story . Would the feeling come without conflict and love.
I was never a fan of Vinnies guitar work or songwriting. Having said that, I do like that he used to refer to Paul Stanley as, "Mean Mister Mustard". Paul was following trends instead of setting them when he decided that KISS needed a shredder. Then, when that little scheme didn't work, Paul blames everyone else except himself, the one whom hired the shredder and personally approved every song and every solo. But no. Paul made Vinnie the problem he turned out to be. So remember kids, when your cheap schemes fail always try to ruin someone else's reputation. It will make you feel SO much better about being gay...errr...I mean...being angry...!!!!
Wow. I remember in Detroit when Vinnie Vincent's Invasion opened for Iron Maiden and got booed off stage in about 20 minutes. Waysted was supposed to be the opener but we got VVI instead for some reason.
I was at a Kiss concert in the early 80’s with Ted Nugent as the opening act. There was some kind of huge argument going on back stage that we could hear, I was in the 6th row. Gene Simmons came out from behind the curtain and said that Ted would be playing lead guitar for the show. The argument got even louder and Vinnie came out with the band. Later Ted was seen with a lump on his forehead and a black eye. I never did hear all the details.
100% BS...Ted would've beat the shit out of Vinnie
Can’t imagine Ted getting whooped by these guys
@@shawnc318Naw. It definitely wasn't anything Vinnie did. 😂
Gene Simmons could not fight a wet paper bag , guy is not a fighter.
The GlimmerStien Twins didn’t want to share that royalty money.
Bingo the same old story either it's you're band mates that don't or can't Wright want a cut of you're royalties or spits the fucking Lable vampires we all went thru the same shit !
Hahahahah
Very good pun. 😂
@@SeanReyesGirdle.What pun ?
Everyone whos tried to work with Vinnie has the same stories. Musicians, managers, media all the same stories. It's not a Gene and Paul thing.
KISS was done by 1978
I think Vinny was a chapter in Kiss that gave great music . He did great music with Kiss and wrote awesome songs.
I REALLY HAD TO LAUGH ABOUT VINNY SELLING A GUITAR FOR MORE MONEY THAN IT WAS IN A STORE. WHAT ABOUT THE 10000 BASSES GENE WAS SELLING, ALOT OF THOSE WERENT PLAYED EITHER. WAS A HUGE FAN FOR KISS BUT IM GLAD THEY ARE GONE NOW. ESPECIALLY WITH GENE BEING MONEY HUNGRY AND STANLEY SO PROUD OF TURNING AROUND AND WIGGLING HIS ASS IN FRONT OF THE CROWD, A LOOK AT ME, ME ME,ME,ME, MENTALITY SAME WITH SIMMONS . THE ONES WHO REALLY MADE THE BAND WAS PETER AND ACE, KULICK, AND VINNY( ONLY TO A POINT WITH VINNY THOUGH, GREAT GUITARIST BUT HE WAS WEIRD) AND AS FAR AS TOMMY........ HE SUCKS, HE NEVER WROTE THE SOLOS ACE DID, TOMMY IS A COPY CAT SAME GOES FOR THE LAST DRUMMER THEY HAD...... AS HE SUCKED TOO, PETER DID THE DRUMS THE LAST DRUMMER WAS A COPY CAT ALSO, AND OF COURSE TOMMY AND THE LAST DRUMMER THOUGHT THEY WERE THE GREATEST COPYING THE DRUM BEATS AND THE SOLOS BUT ALL THEY WERE , WERE DOUCHE BAG COPY CATS. GLAD KISS IS FINALLY GONE!
Boyz Are Gonna Rock is one of the greatest rock songs ever ✊
I think Mr Weird would have been a better character than the ankh warrior. I listen to his work every few years, but have never found anything musical about his playing-just sloppy fast with no feel or melody. But thats just me-I know some love him.
I do, love him that is, in a manly way....!
His solos were a blurred mess, but the guy could write a riff
Vinnie was born in 1952. The year of the Water Dragon.
DId you know Kiss sell or at least have sold "strings for air guitar" ?
Those two Invasiond were awesome. I am a 80s tween to teen. Man it was the best .
It has to be Paul and Gene- and no one else. As soon as their lack pf ability is blindingly apparent, they blame someone else. Ace, Vinnie, Bruce (said fu to both of them in all actuality), and then they hired a kid that did EXACTLY as he was told, talented and stunted in personal growth as a musician by being there. I am a long time Kiss fan, but their antics over the years have hurt allot of good people. They being Paul and Gene. So fu both ;-)
I like Vinnie Vincent! Very beautiful and talent person ❤
Funny thing is that I've never heard anyone say a nice thing about Vinnie Vincent or Dana Strum in terms of being a human being, BOTH played with Mark Slaughter who's a guy I've never heard anyone say a negative thing about. Vinnie seems to be one of those guys thats like the chick who looks great on your arm is equally great in bed, but thats it. Everything else is a complete nightmare and you can only deal w/that for so long.
‼️Vinnie 👉🏼where would kiss be today
Without his input ?
Even helped write their LAST ALBUM without makeup THEIR MOST AMAZING ALBUM!!!
Honestly, they would have been just fine and it would just be some other young gun on the credits of that time. Let's be honest, those songs are just power chord-driven basic rock and roll. Nobody was writing the next Abby Road up in that piece.
He’s very articulate
Vinnie is a great songwriter. His best songs are those without long, messy solos.
Mark Slaughter didn't sing on the first album. He appeared in the videos, and sang on the first tour. NO one musically could ever confuse his whiney pitched screeching with Robert Fleischman's incredibly powerful vocals
The Merry Metal Christmas shows were not cancelled. First of all, there were not a series of MMC shows, there was one at SIR in Nashville. I attended this show and actually got to play drums with Vinnie on Lick it Up (surreal moment for sure). Then he had subsequent shows at SIR in Nashville, but each had its own theme and was not part of the Xmas show.
Nobody gets uglier with age than rockstars.
It said Vinnie Vincent Invasion debut album featuring Mark Slaughter's vocals he never sang on that album Fleischmann did
He looks like someones weird aunt today. Back in the day he looked a 14 yr old girl trying to dress like a man- the mustache.
I love this! I've never seen a proper documentary about this guy. Always just boomers talking over a still image
That dude is strange! Great talent! But strange!
Like real strange !
Strange? The world would suck without strange.
When you’re straaaaaannnnnggggggeeeeee ….vinnie comes out of the rain
Strange?? Why strange?
All the evidence that he can't get along with anyone.
I am on the side of Vinny. I feel like Gene and Paul are some of the biggest hypocrites ever in rock music. They do a lot of do as I say not as I do and when they get someone who is better than them, they put them down. Vinny helped resurrect their career not just once with Creatures of the Night but also with revenge. This was unfortunately left out of this story. After Vinny suitcase in the 80s and lost, he found a sort of redemption by bumping into Gene Simmons in the early 90s when Kiss was literally broke and worked with them to write songs for the revenge out, including unholy. Yes, then Vinny sued kiss again. Fast forward to when Gene Simmons did his vault experience. He invited Vinny to come out that says a lot, and like him or hate him the rock world is full of people who praise major scumbags such as Steven Tyler and Jimmy page. Vinny is eccentric and strange and there is a question if he is transgendered, but how does that affect anything of what he was as an awesomeguitarist.
Dudes riffs are unmatched and iconic. Extraordinary musician.
I think he's underrated personally
If you worship mentally ill egomaniacs who cannot follow instructions.
Oh hell no
But couldnt do shit on his own
Unmatched 🤷♂️. Wouldn’t go that far 😂
Vinnie definitely made his mark in Kisstory. His first Invasion record Rocks. PLAY LOUD
How dare Vinnie want to be paid fairly!
A paid fairy
Ya, that’s not being a “team player” in Kiss.
Vinnie Vincent 🤘
Vinnie Vincent...an enigma wrapped in a mystery and hidden in a pizza box before being dropped off a balcony onto an old lady walking her poodle.
A Fish Called Wanda lol
I think Gene and Paul felt threatened over Vinnies creativity