Finale of Piano Sonata No.3 in B minor (Op.58), S.479b - Franz Liszt/Frédéric Chopin
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- Franz Liszt: Variations for bars 207-253 of the fourth movement of Frédéric Chopin’s Piano Sonata No.3 (reportedly written for Olga Janina, a student of Liszt), S.479b.
"Frédéric Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 3 in B minor, Op. 58, is the last of the composer's piano sonatas. Completed in 1844 and dedicated to Countess Élise de Perthuis, the work is considered to be one of Chopin's most difficult compositions, both technically and musically. The work has a structure similar to Johann Nepomuk Hummel's Piano Sonata No. 5 in F Sharp Minor, Op. 81.
[...] Its turbulent and dramatic introduction - a rising harmonic progression left hanging on a high dominant seventh - aside, the finale, in B minor, is pervaded by a "galloping" rhythm; emphasis in the melodic line on the first and third beats of each half-measure outlines the fifth through eighth degrees of a harmonic minor scale, in this case the F# and B, lending prominence to the augmented second between the sixth and raised seventh scale degrees, the G and A#. The overall melody, chromatic yet rooted in the minor tonic, contributes a dark mood to these primary sections. A more triumphant second theme in B major, repeated twice in the movement's A-B-A-B-A form, appears quite suddenly at the conclusion of the first (likewise when repeated); eventually rising during fleet-fingered runs over a left-hand melody, it tumbles back to a dramatic restatement of the main theme in both of its appearances. The piece concludes in a jubilant B major coda." (Wikipedia)
"Liszt wrote the variant very wisely and logically when one looks at the entire Finale. This movement, which is in the form of a rondo, begins in thirds in 6/8 time signature. The reappearance of the theme shows the left hand in quartos (polyrhythm) and subsequently in sixteenths, i.e. again steadily, regularly. On the other hand, the Liszt variant goes further and introduces quintuplets instead of sixteenths, which yield a polyrhythmic pattern, followed by triplet regularity with left hand leaps and naturally enhances the expression and strength of the Finale." (Tomasz Kamieniak)
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probably the closest we've been to be Chopinist xD
also if you Chopinists are still confused, Liszt's contribution is 3:25 to 4:11
I hadn't listened to this piece in quite a while, so I was wondering when the Liszt bit was, and then 3:25 came and I knew!
Am I crazy or does the left hand play quintuplets at 3:25?
yup it does lol, check the description
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this is beyond rare at this point
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atlantis's level of obscurity
I never knew Liszt did this. Thank you!
indeed, quite a surprise even for us when we discovered this little contribution by Liszt xD
4:18 I love that ending oh my goshh - has to be one of my favorite codas honestly!
chopin was going real insane there xd
For realll
i actually dig 3:44 and i think that’s what chopin should’ve done for this sonata haha. however I dont like the texture starting from 3:25 to 3:43 as i find that texture super clunky and i find that the sextuplets with that single tenor line more tumultuous and dramatic for some odd reason. really love the idea at 3:44 though. I like, really hope someone plays it like that!
Would be nice if there was an 8d version of this!
Beautiful Song Sounds good on the piano
Quintuplets madness and totally ridiculous left hand leaps, liszt was going real wild there lol
but it fits so nicely lel, and arguably somewhat more pianistic than Chopin's writing here
@@LiszthesisI wouldn't call those quintuplets with super uncomfortable repeated notes pianistic :P
@@GUILLOMno u
Why is it better 😭😭
I love this piece
Incredible
Very interesting. Is there sheet music available anywhere?
as far as we know the Muse Press company have published an edition from the same movement including Liszt's variant (which you can find in here: muse-press.com/en/product/mp09201/ ), also the American Liszt Society have published their own edition through one of their journals
@@LiszthesisThank you!
Can you do the solo arrangement of Totentanz at some point?
maybe but not too soon :/
Is this why chopin was mad
Chopin was allegedly mad about Liszt's extemporaneous embellishments for one of his Nocturnes, not this piece. Also I don't think Chopin would have been mad about this faithful and more pianistic (if not necessarily better!) retranscription.
We - members of Liszthesis, are going to rebel because of Chopin's piece! 😅😂😂
actually Liszt still had a say in this piece so not enough a reason to rebel 😂🤣
@@LiszthesisWow, I haven't read the title "Chopin/Liszt Sonata №3". 🤥🥲
Can you do Liszt sonata in B minor?
there are already several great videos over this piece so I think it is not quite necessary to dedicate one video about it
I searched this opus in the wikipedia catalogue and found nothing, where was this published?
the catalogue on Wikipedia is pretty unreliable coz so many Liszt's previously unknown works have been catalogued since...
also this was, afaik, only published recently by Muse Press: muse-press.com/en/product/mp09201/
@@Liszthesis also published by the American Liszt Society Journal lel
where can i find the sheet music?
well it can be found on this edition so sadly you have to buy it tho: muse-press.com/en/product/mp09201/
@@Liszthesis is that site legit lol, just to make sure i dont get scammed
@@cnqrrules we're not that mean to post scam links smh but if you're looking for a digital score then perhaps I could try to share it through your E-mail so you shall try contact us (liszttuile@gmail.com), you cannot post your E-mail source in here cuz as you may probably know the comments filter are deleting a couple of messages that have E-mail sources or any other contacting source
@@Liszthesisalright thank you ❤
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lol, I actually don't know what is the difference of the Chopin's original piece and the Liszt's arrangement
what do you expect lul Chopin would have been very displeased were Liszt to further embellish this piece with his typical treatment (for the operatic fantasies for example)