Top 8 Worst Corners on iRacing?

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  • My Top 8 Worst Corners on iRacing, any I have missed out? let me know in the comments
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  • @phildoh2
    @phildoh2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm shocked that the final corner at long beach isn't on the list but I would definitely agree with a lot of those choices 👍

  • @jackbelton7611
    @jackbelton7611 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    COTA literally scarred me for life getting DQ'd at the finish line of a 12 hour.

  • @ApexCris
    @ApexCris ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sunset and Fujis final sector a fantastic imo because there are so many different lines that work. I'd much rather be able to take multiple lines than a corner like Tower at Sebring where there's only one line through, and even that feels absolutely awful.
    Also the Long Beach hairpin deserves to be here.

    • @BasicOllie
      @BasicOllie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah no worries, I thought this my spark a difference of opinion 🤣 for me corners can have multiple lines but there is always only 1 that should be used and it’s the quickest!

    • @ApexCris
      @ApexCris ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BasicOllie Oh I hear you, it can take a while to figure out, but it's great for racing, especially in downforce cars where you can adapt to avoid dirty air. But I also understand why some don't enjoy Fuji especially

  • @dangerousdave123451
    @dangerousdave123451 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sunset, and Sebring in general, is my current best example of a track I absolutely hated when I first tried it but the more I drive it, the more I enjoy it.

    • @christopherdowning7776
      @christopherdowning7776 ปีที่แล้ว

      I absolutely love Sebring in the rain. Especially turns 2-14. The dry lines get slick the wet lines get grip and game on!

    • @dangerousdave123451
      @dangerousdave123451 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christopherdowning7776 is that because of the water flowing from higher parts of the track surface and pooling in lower parts? Looking forward to struggling with it once iracing gets rain!

  • @HH0ps
    @HH0ps ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love the uncertainty of sunset at Sebring, turn 1 is way worse in my eyes

    • @Kevakazii
      @Kevakazii ปีที่แล้ว

      Turns 15 & 16 in Le mans are my kryptonite.

  • @DoubleDashMotorsportMedia
    @DoubleDashMotorsportMedia ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One for my list - Turn 2, entry to the esses at Road Atlanta. Specifically if I'm in multi class and I'm in a GT.
    It's a blind crest, the apex is somewhere out there, get it wrong you're then fudged for the next 6 corners, LMP2 cars come charging up on you and just expect you to not exist all of a sudden oh and just to top it off anyone coming out of the pits will be slow, off the racing line and understeering on cold tyres so much they'll end up in the next state.
    Rest of the track - great. But T2 - I hate it!

  • @Kronikman07
    @Kronikman07 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I agree with a couple turns, but idk how people don't hate the last turn on long beach.

  • @ingobordewick6480
    @ingobordewick6480 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder that the chicane at Barcelona is not in here. It's horrible. Agreed on most of your opinions.

  • @johnkoenig1910
    @johnkoenig1910 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man i HATE Hungaroring, glad I'm not the only one. Great vid!

  • @Bottna
    @Bottna ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the last part at Fuji. 😅 It gets better the more you race there. 😊

  • @regibson23
    @regibson23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hard disagree on Sunset. The beauty of it is how tough it is to find the right line. And really it's that there's several good lines.
    Silverstone T4's sister corner is T15 at COTA.
    On Magny Cours don't forget that it's a chicane that comes immediately after a hard turn. So you're not even going fast.

  • @OverkillZx23
    @OverkillZx23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wouldn’t really disagree too much with this list, but I wanna believe that some corners on this list might feel a bit better in a different car compared to others
    I’d also include the uphill left hander at Watkins Glen, no grip and confidence at all, it’s just abysmal. Or just simply the entire road Atlanta and Laguna seca track 😭

  • @racingprincipal
    @racingprincipal ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with you about Hungaroring, no flow at all and a lot of slow corners. I would add a couple of corners from Barcelona as well.

  • @hugopalmava
    @hugopalmava ปีที่แล้ว

    As an almost exclusively formula driver I did not agree with most, but, trying to imagine those same corners on a heavier, bigger car, than what Im used to, yeah, I totally see your point.
    F4 in hungaro was amazing, first time I drove there.
    (I only drive formulas because I find it easier, I struggle with the weight of gt3's, but I will learn someday)

    • @hugopalmava
      @hugopalmava ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I could get a refund on magny cour as well

  • @sdickinson64
    @sdickinson64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long Beach hairpin definitely needs to be on this list. Maybe replacing Hungaroring. Hungaroring is definitely an absolutely terrible track, but for single corners and/or sectors, hard to beat the ridiculousness of the Long Beach hairpin and Road America kink. Also 100% agree regarding COTA. Absolutely hate that track, but the only flowy bit of the entire track is the esses and I do love those when I get it right. Just removing those curbs to allow for a tiny safety margin would go so far.

  • @hackiison
    @hackiison ปีที่แล้ว

    The final chicane at Le Mans is my least favourite. Great way to bottle a good quali lap by either slightly cutting and getting a slow down or lose so much time being cautious.

  • @phillupson8561
    @phillupson8561 ปีที่แล้ว

    Completely agree on Hungaroring, I practiced hard thinking it was just me, once I get the hang of it I'll learn to love it, but nope, I still hate it more than any other track on iracing. I too would take a refund in a heartbeat on that one.

  • @ralf4431
    @ralf4431 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fuji last sector is genuine pain on single monitor, as you said each apex feels like a gamble and the line you have to take is just an open invitation to divebomb from the driver behind. Fuji S1 and S2 feel great but S3 just scares me away from ever attempting to drive it again

  • @eastofmars6413
    @eastofmars6413 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally agree on Fuji. Never played iracing but it's rough on GT as well.

  • @stormsurgeesports
    @stormsurgeesports ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm an oval guy who's done about 500 road races now... I absolutely hate the first corner and the middle sector at Red Bull Ring.

  • @AdrianJSClark
    @AdrianJSClark ปีที่แล้ว

    Even in VR and the open-cockpit of the Mercedes-AMG W13 F1 car Silverstone T4 is a pain! The wheels are so big with the wake deflectors that the apex is still hidden.

  • @curlyqv2467
    @curlyqv2467 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honorable mention is the last corner at Imola. The slowdowns are brutal

    • @Neekogee
      @Neekogee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      imola, yes, but I have more PTSD from the third chicane, the green stuff at the exit is soo slippery!

    • @MustacheWins
      @MustacheWins ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not a great corner in ACC, can't imagine how bad it is in iracing with this slowdown bs

  • @otto-m.lampert5205
    @otto-m.lampert5205 ปีที่แล้ว

    Full agree to your choice, Oli. You could also add COTA Turn 16 to list, which is also blind as Silverstone.

  • @stuarthamilton679
    @stuarthamilton679 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sebring lol, "it's just aweful" you say, just as I was thinking "it's just brilliant", amazing!

  • @thornament367
    @thornament367 ปีที่แล้ว

    My absolute top 1 has to be the West Bend section at Lime Rock, such a horrible double apex into a swift direction change. Thankfully that layout is barely used!

  • @jamesfrearson8822
    @jamesfrearson8822 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Turn 4 at Silverstone and the last section of Fuji is one off the reason why I got a head tracker.

  • @graemeraine2010
    @graemeraine2010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agree with Fuji. If you take a line that's quick, you get divebombed as drivers see the "door open"

  • @joshuachipling6923
    @joshuachipling6923 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol totally agree with the Hungaro id put it up there with iRacing Superspeedway for the oval cars as my worst tracks.

  • @scrappy8494
    @scrappy8494 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually quite like COTA Sector 1 but not the sector 1 iRacing has. those bumps completely ruin it. 1cm to wide and you get sent to the ISS Space Station
    Magy-Cour I completely agree with especially in LMDH and LMP2, those curbs are absolutely horrible

  • @marijn17s
    @marijn17s ปีที่แล้ว

    When i saw the title, these tracks were EXACTLY what i was thinking about. Plus also turn 11 at COTA, which has the same issue as the silverstone one but maybe even worse cause you can't see the apex at all for multiple seconds on single screen

  • @kurtschnippel1053
    @kurtschnippel1053 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a TON of art on the real life walls after Road America’s kink for all the reasons you listed

  • @kidMclean
    @kidMclean ปีที่แล้ว

    This should be a 500k channel

  • @AndrewPeddie
    @AndrewPeddie 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "I can't find the right line at Fuji"
    - whilst driving the perfect line at Fuji

  • @jk_46
    @jk_46 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hungary in a GT3 in ACC I got punted off at T2 1st lap and was trying to recover. I caught someone at over 2s a lap and just could not pass, I got blocked at every opportunity. Eventually I got a sniff of a gap after he made a mistake 2nd to last corner, I was up the inside of the last corner my front wheel next to his front door and got punted and spun out. They may abolish that track it really sucks!

  • @Ruthless1LE
    @Ruthless1LE ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Ollie! However, I disagree on the Kink at Road America. Maybe its because I live just hours from there and have done a track day there, who knows. However, as the saying goes....Respect The Kink. 😉

  • @midslam
    @midslam ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Nobody knows...blow it up" 🤣

  • @connorohidy8491
    @connorohidy8491 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alternate video idea: The worst 8 corners that I cannot help but love. Man... sunset, the kink at Road America, these are love/hate relationships, they are the crazy ex you keep going back to. Sunset at sunset has got to be my fav corner/time in all of racing

  • @secret_one
    @secret_one ปีที่แล้ว +1

    COTA - The snake is a very poor copy of a part of Assen.
    I hate COTA, it is a track that has meant to have taken the best parts of a lot of different tracks and just butchered them completely.
    Most of the other corners and sectors I have to agree with.

  • @xXxBo5sANaCxXx
    @xXxBo5sANaCxXx ปีที่แล้ว

    Road Atlanta T2 and T3 on that uphill gotta be the WROSE, Redbull ring T1 close second

  • @SunDodger
    @SunDodger ปีที่แล้ว

    Solid choices here. I thought Sunset was like Eau Rouge or the Porsche Curves and beyond reproach... Hate that corner.

  • @osama6najargamer184
    @osama6najargamer184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hockenheim hairpin is number one in my list, god I hate that corner

  • @ChrisZero7
    @ChrisZero7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had been to COTA several times (Super Lap Battle), can agree to that lol - its cool to see cars go through the back area of the Pits but during Gridlife races, a whole crowd of 30 cars, could imagine the mess of getting through S1 💀
    *in Addition, I’d probably say Sonoma has the worst S1 - high climb into a hard right turn then a quick left

  • @closetsimracer
    @closetsimracer ปีที่แล้ว

    I love sunset, Silverstone T4 is great in VR 😂

  • @nicholasmotz
    @nicholasmotz ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, Fuji is weird right! I'm glad I'm not the only one. In Gran Turismo, I'm so bad at it

  • @Bob-huisbaas
    @Bob-huisbaas ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually love how bumpy sebring is ;)

  • @ciaranconnor4466
    @ciaranconnor4466 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haha T4 at Silverstone, couldn't agree more, great shout. Don't actually mind the Fuji final sector, it's T1 gets me anxious, dive bomb city!

  • @Iyaxgaming
    @Iyaxgaming ปีที่แล้ว

    didnt expect to see sunset in your list, its one of my favourites

  • @kin3tic271
    @kin3tic271 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you should get the track map of hungaroring on the wall behind you 😀

  • @davidius74
    @davidius74 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with most of that but I would put CoTA as #1 and not just the first sector but the whole track. There is just something about Hermann Tilke designed tracks that I just don't like, not one of them!
    As these are all modeled from the real circuits there is not a thing iRacing SHOULD do to change them just so you can 'cut' the corner a bit more and go faster through them e.g. the CoTA sausage kerbs and the high kerbs at Magny Cours. If iRacing took away the things that exist on the real circuits then they are not being faithful to the circuit and then you might as well forget about scanning the circuits and just make rough approximations of them or make complete fantasy tracks.
    I would add Daytona Roval Turn 1 to this list. Coming off the banking while turning slightly to get to that short chute and then braking heavily to make the turn, the car is ALWAYS unsettled and difficuly to stop properly. The only way I have managed to make the turn successfully is by starting my braking just before the bend, easing off to turn the wheel to go into the bend and then braking heavily. Of course that means I am usually 2 seconds down just on that 1 turn compared to everyone else and if I happen to be in front of someone often get booted up the rear and punted off anyway. Certainly the one corner I haven't mastered

  • @exediron188
    @exediron188 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only thing really missing is the Long Beach hairpin, which is an absolute abomination of a corner.

  • @Alan-ww8vi
    @Alan-ww8vi ปีที่แล้ว

    Surprised you mentioned Silverstone turn 4 and Fuji's last sector but you didn't mention the COTA corners that you can't see the apex on a single screen too.

  • @jonhartley7238
    @jonhartley7238 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love T4 Silverstone, but tbf I'm VR only

  • @samdajellybeenie14
    @samdajellybeenie14 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:26 I did not expect that and burst out laughing hahaha. The Fuji sausage curbs ripped the entire front end of my Merc GT3 once, hilarious replay material.
    Yes Silverstone T4 is horrible for me with a single monitor. The Auto Club roval T6 is like that too. Getting the line right is a crapshoot really.
    Fuji I think is not TOO bad because you can follow the rubbered-in line but it took me a lot of practice to get reasonably quick there.
    I'm surprised Nurburgring GP arena section didn't make it on the list - those few corners are some of the worst in motorsport imo. They're not fast but not slow, they feel like they take forever and the car kind of lumbers through them.

  • @brendanressler4359
    @brendanressler4359 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love magny cours

  • @ohgeez9971
    @ohgeez9971 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate turn 1 at Nurburgring GP. So many deaths there, it should be renamed Graveyard Corner.

  • @WayWorthRacing
    @WayWorthRacing ปีที่แล้ว

    Next week is Hungaroring in the IMSA iRacing Series, not looking forward to it , it really is a difficult track to multi class race

  • @baldmar5083
    @baldmar5083 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last corner at Long Beach?

  • @Laz0rftw
    @Laz0rftw ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont get how you pick the best corner of Sebring and then proveed to drive the distance to the worst corner and STOP before you reach it😂😂😂
    That hairpin would make my top 8 for sure :)
    But Im happy I saw Silverstone t4 on this.
    These were the two corners I thought of

  • @maxb148
    @maxb148 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me the worst corner in racing is the last corner of the Dunlop esses as I never know when to get on power and either do it too late and ruin my run all down Mulsane or go too early and run off also ruining my run.

  • @Infigo96
    @Infigo96 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't you dare diss T1 at VIR. It is an amazing corner for overtaking. Outside, inside, over-under. Done it all. They even removed (or reduced) the HUGE bump on the outside at the exit too with the rescan. The bump that have sent me round a few times out in the abyss. The kink is worse at VIR, loose it there and you have an eternety to get back....or get a black flag for reaching the back straight.
    And if you are talking t4 at Silverstone, why not t11 at cota which is hopelessly blind or T1 which is so tricky, narrow and chaos + being blind single screen.
    Sunset at sebring I do agre, I always loose time there or get sent or some akward encounter

    • @BasicOllie
      @BasicOllie  ปีที่แล้ว

      Came at me Hampus cause I just did 🤣 appreciate the comment regardless

  • @the_real_beaker_
    @the_real_beaker_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man, couldn’t agree more putting all of Hungoring on n here hahaha and I don’t mind the first sector of cota, but the second and third sector?? Hate it…

  • @mitchelldoub8488
    @mitchelldoub8488 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed All 8 times

  • @MylesHimself
    @MylesHimself ปีที่แล้ว

    I was racing Fuji earlier today and was just as completely dumbfounded as you at the last sector. that i had a whole rant about it to my friend on discord lmao. like literally 30 minutes ago.

  • @Injektil_o
    @Injektil_o ปีที่แล้ว

    Surprised no mention of chicane at Imola

  • @LucaTgaard
    @LucaTgaard ปีที่แล้ว

    Turn 4 at silverstone sucks. I hate all of silverstone… but that one especially

  • @charlesbochar8681
    @charlesbochar8681 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strange. I love COTA. One of my top favorites. I would have to say Sonoma should be on this list.

  • @laok007
    @laok007 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL, I agree with sector 3 at Fuji, there are so many interpretations to the line I don't know what to take, and if you're not careful people will hang it around the inside line making it even more awkward. I don't know how they engineered I to be so awkward.

  • @faduf2047
    @faduf2047 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like hungaroring but really don't like the red bull ring, especially T1. Also don't like much T1 at COTA.

  • @POP7QWIZ
    @POP7QWIZ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    VIR is the place to go to learn that the grass physics in iRacing are iBroke

    • @justinpoulter5700
      @justinpoulter5700 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any week with VIR makes me depressed for this reason

  • @nathanieljohnson5950
    @nathanieljohnson5950 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sebring has talked about a repave, but drivers and even manufacturers have said not to because a lot of its beauty comes from being so hard for drivers and on cars.
    The only people who I have ever heard say it needs to be redone are either casual fans or people who think that race tracks should only be silky smooth like the tracks built specifically for f1.

  • @MrRamoSzz
    @MrRamoSzz ปีที่แล้ว

    I would say that Turn 12 on VIR is also dreadful, at least when you are on signle screen. I race in VR and don't have many issues with it, but when I was at my friend's place and was trying to convert him from Toyota GR to Ferrari GT3 we both were literally flying off this turn as you don't see where it turns until it is too late :D

  • @vocnys
    @vocnys ปีที่แล้ว

    The whole track at COTA could have been included tbf. Same goes with Silverstone

  • @A_Petit_TV
    @A_Petit_TV ปีที่แล้ว

    Long beach last corner

  • @SgtMikas
    @SgtMikas ปีที่แล้ว

    Fully agree on Hungaroring, such a terrible track. Didnt even purchase it for iRacig since i hated it in F1 alrdy.

  • @alejandrotorrealba2306
    @alejandrotorrealba2306 ปีที่แล้ว

    You want deadly sausage kerbs and overall worst corner/sector? Roval 2018 bus stop should've been here

  • @xshotzuk8360
    @xshotzuk8360 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just curious why you don't use triples? Obviously your are skilled enough without but surely you would be even quicker or at an advantage with triples? Be good to hear your thoughts Ollie

    • @BasicOllie
      @BasicOllie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Been using triples for about a month now bud. Was just saying it for anyone on singles

    • @xshotzuk8360
      @xshotzuk8360 ปีที่แล้ว

      @BasicOllie oh nice! Not seen them on your stream. How do you rate them over a single? I use triples myself. Maybe one day I'll get into your splits 😆

  • @joshmilton
    @joshmilton ปีที่แล้ว

    Just calling out the whole of the Hungaroring gets the my vote, what a god awful circuit.

  • @Diasmotorsport
    @Diasmotorsport ปีที่แล้ว

    Lime rock park turn 1
    Lime rock park chicane

  • @I_Like__bananas
    @I_Like__bananas ปีที่แล้ว

    I have no problem with T4 at silverstone but I hate how two straights look that much like each other. Those fast rights are terribme

  • @ericforster2970
    @ericforster2970 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me, COTA is so awful it makes Hungaroring or Fuji seem like Mugello in comparison. COTA is such a strange track. The esses don't flow, and zero-radius hairpins are just tedious. Worst of the Tilke-dromes.

  • @matthewjones3806
    @matthewjones3806 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:40 sounds like Greg doucette

  • @richardlehoux
    @richardlehoux ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny! Love it

  • @ingmarosterberg6673
    @ingmarosterberg6673 ปีที่แล้ว

    But t4 on hungaroring is goated

  • @LukeVesty
    @LukeVesty ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha, and that's the easier version of the final sector at Fuji. Try it again in the GP configuration in the W13 with T10, 11 and 12 fully intact. You'll cry for your mummy.

  • @PoppyofBOBA
    @PoppyofBOBA ปีที่แล้ว

    Its a motor bike track Fuji

  • @benneitmann4143
    @benneitmann4143 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don‘t know why, but I just hate Turn 15&16 at Cota, blind corner, don‘t know where to brake, just rubbish

  • @Barbosa81
    @Barbosa81 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL I love all of these tracks.

  • @IOByrne
    @IOByrne ปีที่แล้ว

    disappointed not to see all the zolder chicanes on here

  • @benthepenguin7435
    @benthepenguin7435 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are litterally complaining about kerbs even tho they are ment to keep the drivers within tracklimits and they are like this to scare the drivers even more so you wont even try getting an advantage. they are deadly to punish you. that is the same reason that same principle counts IRL too. you can destroy your car when you drive over certain sausage kerbs irl when you aren´t lucky or just ignorrant

  • @mgm418871
    @mgm418871 ปีที่แล้ว

    Last sector at Fuji is the worst sector in racing which is remarkable given the first two sectors at Fuji are almost as bad. Dog ass track

  • @user-ng3ks5en3j
    @user-ng3ks5en3j ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is long beach !! 🤣

  • @simonjerryncf1987
    @simonjerryncf1987 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Those face expressions need to be more extreme for your thumbnails

    • @BasicOllie
      @BasicOllie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought I did alright Simon 🤣

    • @simonjerryncf1987
      @simonjerryncf1987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You did really. Some others that I see jump scare me. At least you didn't do that

    • @Panzer_Runner
      @Panzer_Runner ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah those clickbaity youtubers have absolutely comical exaggerated faces

    • @richardlehoux
      @richardlehoux ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BasicOllie If i can help with my knowledge of visual communication: if you zoom closer to your face, your expression will be easier to read. Also, I would have taken a picture from above and enaugh far away to understand better it’s a car taking a corner. I hope it help (if I’m right 😂) Has usual , trial and error will make you find the right balance.

  • @stuarthamilton679
    @stuarthamilton679 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also I have to hate you, I love Hungaroring!!!

  • @benhodkinson6467
    @benhodkinson6467 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude writing off a corner because it doesn’t work on single monitor setups is a serious lack of perspective and rather overstating the importance of sim racing, the track was not designed for you……

  • @83cajht
    @83cajht ปีที่แล้ว

    Just gonna say it, I dislike Silver stone, it just boring, uneventful it is just meh....turn 4 is about the most excitement you get, that is not even a good kind...

  • @samuelgarrod8327
    @samuelgarrod8327 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learn the circuit. Simple.

  • @danielsivi-szabo2418
    @danielsivi-szabo2418 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skill issue

  • @17peteclarke
    @17peteclarke ปีที่แล้ว

    just gonna go into a race and haven't seen yet but thought i'd bet on last corner long beach being up there!