Several years ago, I was presenting biblical creation science material in a church group. One woman was focused on the Gap Theory (theory???), and I could tell that she was irritated with me and the material because it was easily refuted. I did not know about what was discussed here, thanks for equipping me for next time. Interesting that professing Christians are *determined* to use this or other things to shove millions of years into Scripture.
As a former materialistic evolutionist, converted to Biblical Theism, Creation and the Gospel in 1993, I am perplexed that in our day and age that Bible schools in evangelical circles mess up the Creation record.
I am perplexed by the very fact that this patent deception has not been successfully challenged yet, by scientists and scholars alike. I am also of the opinion that it is due to this false belief that we are now victims of the scientific humanist religion that prevails in society. And the very reason why we believe everything the scientist-expert priests in white lab coats tell us too for if we can believe evolution is true then we can believe just about anything else also no matter how bizarre or inhumane. The doctrine of the day is climate change that tells us carbon is the enemy when carbon is a fundamental building block of life on earth and it has been shown that higher carbon levels produce a greener earth... but our scientist priests think it is more important, no doubt for their own elite sakes, that a man made genocide occur in order to reduce the population on earth. We even believe the lie that the earth is over populated.
@@priscillajervey8345 .....and then conduct revisionist history and state things like, "the early church fathers never believed in a young earth". This is similar to what the Watchtower Society does when they say thing likened to, "the early believers never believed in a trinity". To back up erroneous doctrines, those pushing heresies will inevitably need to push erroneous history. The early church most certainly believed in the Triune Godhead and a young earth because they believed the scriptures.
You can see the change to the rock layers, indicating a global flood when you look at the stations in rock all of a sudden it will take a 90° turn. Striation won’t wrap around something like that. It will fill in gaps and these wrap around at the same thicknesses on multiple layers. Also, the idea that there was a partial flood that went as high as huge mountains, what was holding all that water back on that one side? A partial flood doesn’t make any sense, unless you were talking about a valley, but that clearly wasn’t the case. My question was about the animals on the ark. If you look at a certain species, let’s say a horse there are many different sizes and colors and shapes of horse throughout the world. Did the art contain each one of them or did it just contain a horse and then after Noah, they were allowed to , adapt and change again, people ask if they were dinosaurs on there, would there have been all kinds or could he have just had alligators or some Gila monsters?
The Bible is plain and clear he took two of each kind of animal, a certain amount of each that were clean and a certain amount of each that were unclean. Yes dinosaurs were on the ark and they were at breeding age when they came off the God we serve is amazing.
I certainly agree. That has got to be the craziest notion devised by man. Yelp. Got created the first earth just for him to rule. He was too disobedient to remain in heaven, but not so for God to create him his own specical earth! That was pretty generous of God wouldn't you say?? Seriously!???
Im not really a Gap Theory believer, but I feel they're incomplete in their description of Gap Theory and didn't give all the Biblical evidence. Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This passage in Job clearly shows there were events prior to the earth's creation. Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 are pretty clear that Lucifer reigned at some point. My understanding of Gap is that Lucifer reigned on the earth over a race of angelic beings not a race of people. He led an insurrection against God similar to Revelation 21, which is when God plunged the whole earth (universe) under water. Subversion under water is always associated with judgment (Noah's flood, baptism being a picture of death), which is why Genesis 1:2 is associated with judgment in Gap Theory. They would also say, "Where did the land come from". In Genesis 1:9, God said, "Let the dry land appear," insinuating land was already there. So, when was it made? It can't be 1:1 if 1:1 is a broad overview and the subsequent verses explain it. My personal view is not a Gap between verses but rather eternity past existed. In my view, there was no separation between 3rd heaven and earth. Lucifer ruled as Gods light bearer (chief worshiper) on the earth. It was a perfect creation where substance and spirit were amalgamated. I get these ideas from what God promises about the future. If we want to know about eternity past, look at eternity future. God is trying to restore what He originally made BEFORE the beginning (beginning being a reference to the beginning of time; eternity past is prior to time in my view; eternity future does away with time as we know it). I'm not dogmatic on my viewpoint, but I feel like it answers my questions better than other views I've heard.
The Bible is the immutable word of God, people who have fallen into sin desire in their wicked hearts to mix concepts of men with the word of God. Do not be deceived, always follow the Word of God.
Ezekiel 28 clearly has nothing to do with Satan. Chapters 26-28 are specifically directed against the actual city of Tyre, just as 29 is against Egypt and 31 is against Assyria. Any casual reader of the book of Ezekiel will notice that he liked to use flowery language. If Ezekiel mentions "Eden" he almost certainly isn't talking about the actual garden of Eden. He mentions it several times in chapter 31 in order to compare the grandeur of the cedars of Lebanon that Assyria captured. Ezekiel said that the trees of Eden envied the cedars of Lebanon as if they existed side by side. Because of the flood and the massive time difference, we know that would be absurd. Therefore we can conclude that just as Eden was used as a symbol of grandeur in chapter 31 several times, Ezekiel did the same thing in 28. If people still want to take the language literally, then they are forced to deal with other absurdities. Chapter 28 emphatically states that the King of Tyre was corrupted by trade. That is what a city does and not what Satan does. The King of Tyre was cast before other kings. Unless someone wants to claim there were kings before people were created, then it makes no sense to say this literally. In order to conclude that chapter 28 is talking about Satan you would have to fall asleep while reading the book of Ezekiel and then suddenly wake up and see the words "Cherub" and "Eden" and think to yourself, "Wow, a bad guy in Eden, this must be Satan!" That's how silly it is.
Our goal here is not to argue about whether or not this verse relates to Satan, but the point is that even if it did, it still provides no support for gap theory.
@@creationministriesintl I know. I'm just trying to alert people to the tendency towards bad hermeneutics in passages like this one. Sometimes you get one influential theologian--I think in this case it was Tertullian--to make one maverick, but flimsy interpretation and the idea just sticks. People from then on seem to just close their eyes to the actual context and go along with the received teaching.
Great exegesis, brother. I do think this is very important because you still have to convince a misguided brother what the words Eden and Cherib may represent. I should know…I had to convince my wife, and that wasn’t easy. I call her Rabbi because she is an OT geek. Lol
@@blessedbeliever8725 People just need to get in the habit of reading larger chunks of a book in the Bible at a time instead of mere verses or a chapter. The author's thoughts will naturally make themselves apparent to any person with a modicum of reading comprehension skills.
Haven't you ever watched the news station of pictures of ranging flood waters - how extremly destructive they are. They can destroy just about anything in their path old or new!!
If this is your understanding, i would like to know when and how were the dinosaurs destroyed. And were they on Noah's Ark. And when did the fight between Lusifer and Michael take place. .
If you would like to know then I recommend visiting creation.com to find out. We have written quite a bit concerning what animals were on Noah's Ark, how many, and the nature of dinosaur extinction.
Question. When you talked about the pre-Adam Solis humans wiped out during the flood. Some people talk about Nephilim and fallen angels breeding with human women, I believe that comes from the book of Enoch though, but do you think that they would have souls if they were created by a fallen angel and not procreated through to human beings? that’s if that description is even accurate, but with those fallen angels if they were able to procreate with human women create a child with a soul? 🤔
We are living souls!!!!!!! God breathed the BREATH [oxygen] into Adam nostrils and he BECAME a living soul! Eve is said to be the Mother of all the living! A child would automatically have a soul BECAUSE IT is a living/breathing human! Does God have a soul, did Satan and angels in heaven have souls? Satan was an angel. Also I might add the Nephlilim are mentioned in Genesis.
Interesting video, although you guys make a lot of assumptions about gap theorists. Some gap proponents do indeed use the theory to squeeze in millions of years and all the geological ages. However, most gap theorists I’ve talked to are usually hyper dispensationalists, and only believe in a 2,000 year gap between the first two verses of Genesis. This is usually believed because of what’s commonly called the “millennial day system”…6,000 years of human history starting from Adam, to the reign of the Messiah in the world to come which will last 1,000 years (Ps 90:4, 2Pet 3:8, Rev 20:2-4)…7,000 years total, 6 of toil and labor and 1 of Sabbatical rest, mimicking the 7 day week of creation. Dispensational gap theorists will claim, the millennial reign was supposed to happen when Christ came the first time. When Steven is preaching his message to the Jews, the heavens open and Jesus is standing ready to come! But after Stephen was stoned, they say that Christ paused the clock to start the church age. So essentially you have these groups of 2000 years… 2,000 years from the original creation to Adam. 2,000 years from Adam to The law. 2,000 years from the law to the first advent. Christ is rejected…clock is paused… so if we start at Adam, it’s only been 5,947 years according to the Essene calendar.
Then your experience is highly limited. Compromisers regular appeal to gap theory in an attempt to mix the Bible with deep time. CMI regularly deals with such people, and interacts with Christians who are faced with this twisting of scripture. So, these are not assumptions in the slightest. Gap theory has been one of the most common ways people have sought to harmonize the Bible with deep time, and the consequences have been severe. the gap or (ruin-reconstruction) theory: Did not arise from any reading of the text, but was ‘discovered’ as a possible ‘answer’ to secular speculations of long ages; Was never biblically viable; Did not adequately deal with (in fact mostly failed to address) geological facts that were being interpreted as evidence for ‘millions of years’; never persuaded even small numbers of the scientific establishment that it could reconcile science with the Bible, and resulted in large numbers of young people being lost to the church during their higher education, as they realized that their supposed ‘answer’ didn’t work. Gap ideas have good intentions, but are not only wrong, they have done considerable damage to the faith. The classic ‘gap theory’, historically, served largely to lull the church into a false confidence about the dangers of compromise on the age question. Because of this, naked naturalistic/evolutionary proposals were permitted to take over the areas of higher learning largely unopposed-with the church thinking they ‘had the answer’. creation.com/6000-years
@@creationministriesintl You can call it "limited" experience, but it seems to me because you're so open about being young earth creationists, then naturally you're going to draw in critics who want to hold on to billions of years. But I wouldn't say that means the majority of gap theorists think this way. It also seems you just copied and pasted your response from Answers in Genesis or something like that. Again I'll say, the majority of TH-cam videos, articles, and other media that present the gap theory, are done so by KJV only hyper-dispensationalists. None of those guys that I'm aware of believe in billions of years
Naturally, those who work with CMI were exposed to such individuals long before joining said ministry. CMI is an international group that has spoken at thousands of churches worldwide. Use of gap theory to justify old earth compromise was commonplace in Bible colleges and seminaries. How most gap theorists think (whatever you perceive that to be) doesn't matter. Many old-earth compromisers appeal to gap theory. It is invalid and we are exposing that. If anything was copied and pasted, it was from creation.com, not AIG. A pointless side note on your part.
@@creationministriesintl there’s definitely a negative attitude in your responses. There is no doubt you are incredibly defensive about this position concerning the gap theory. it seems as if you can’t handle criticism concerning one aspect of your ministry. I completely disagree with the notion that all gap theorists use this to believe in Billions of years, it’s just not true. And my answers in genesis comment is definitely not pointless, it’s obvious you’re riding the success of Ken Hamms ministry. I’m actually surprised that in your video you didn’t mention Thomas Chalmers not even once! I still enjoyed the video, and I look forward to more content. Just be aware when you say things like “ all gap theorist believe in this theory because they want billions of years…” again it’s just not true
Ah, a list of personal attacks. My friend you are the one who strikes me as having a negative attitude and being very defensive, but that is not relevant to whether or not either of us are correct in our assessments. So, whatever attitude we read into the discussion does not matter. CMI's is AIG's parent ministry, we pre-exist them, and they came from us. If anything AIG exists by riding off our coattails, but that is neither here nor there. Tell me, where did we claim ALL people who appeal to gap theory do so to justify belief in deep time? Many old-earth compromisers appeal to gap theory. It is invalid and we are exposing that. Knowing people who accept this gap, but don't place billions of years does not change that the gap is not there, and can't be used to argue for deep time, as many compromised Christians would argue. There are many articles on creation.com concerning Gap theory, Thomas Chalmers is discussed among many of them, so your shock that he is not mentioned in this one specific video is of little concern.
The Bible is plain and clear that Satan was in the garden of Eden, perfect, and all his ways before iniquity was found in him. Ezekiel 28:15 Context 12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
I will take the word and teaching of chuck missler and larry Olsen and so on because they're credentials and their unwavering faith in the word of GOD.
An interesting bald assertion. Of course many people believe in this gap. Many people also believe the moon landing was faked, that reincarnation is real, and that crystal vibrations have healing powers. What matters is not "many people believe X", what matters is if you can bring the receipts.
You need to read the KJV the perfect word of God for the English speaking people. The Gap Fact does not say there were millions of years between Genesis 1-2. We don’t believe in evolution. Look at 2 Zpeter 3 talks about another flood. Read. The Gap Fact. By. Perry. Demopoulus. God bless you. Bill. Uk
1st, the 7 day creation week is clearly 7, 24 hour consecutive days about 6,000 years ago. Having said that, you must believe Gen 2:1, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." Clearly Satan wasn't created during that week. When and where does the Bible say he became "bad"? You cannot believe that God had never created anything during the eternity He was around before this world was created. Genesis 1 & 2 doesn't describe when God made the throne He sits on in heaven. The heavens [atmosphere] where the birds fly was made in that week, but ONLY 2 great lights 1:16, says He made the planets in our solar system that day too, as they couldn't be around before the sun was created' Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan was in the mountain of God in heaven when he walked in the stones of fire. He fell into sin before creation week, then Satan and the angels he tricked to be on his side, started a war in to take over heaven, but they lost the war and got kicked out to this planet. That is why he was here to trick Eve.
The language of Exodus 20:11, says that God “made” everything in six days. this is a different Hebrew word than what’s used for “created“. This is a typical argument from a gap theorist
Gap theorists dont teach evolution ot thst millions of years are between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. They just teach thst Lucifer fell before the creation of earth.
There are no passages that speak of a pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. If you push the gap theorist, they will sometimes point to Ezekiel 28. Yet in this very passage in Ezekiel 28, we see that the anointed cherub was walking in his unfallen state in the garden of Eden. Eden was only created on the sixth day, so by the end of creation week, Satan had not yet fallen. The very passage that most gap theorists point to for this supposed pre-Adamic fall of Satan, ends up refuting it. We cover this here: Video: th-cam.com/video/zAQsxkr9EAI/w-d-xo.html Article: dl0.creation.com/articles/p124/c12415/j32_3_111-114.pdf
You're missing Peter & Isaiah so at least give the majority view instead of the minority view along with the totality of scripture vs one chapter in Ezekiel. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 KJV
Neither of those verses support the idea of Lucifer's flood. The first passage you cite does nothing to suggest that the flood described is anything other than the flood that occurred during the days of Noah. The next passage concerning Lucifer also says nothing about the timing of his fall, nor is it associated with a flood of any kind. To use this as evidence of gap theory, and Lucifer's flood is a case of reading outside ideas into scripture. Beyond that, the video is clearly about whether Ezekial 28 supports the gap theory. CMI has produced other materials concerning arguments for the gap theory. This video was clearly not intended to be comprehensive, merely to show that Ezekial 28 specifically does not support the position. I recommend reading up on creation.com. Have fun.
If I might suggest that the identity of Lucifer is given in v5 of that chapter. What is being spoken of in symbolic language is the fall of Babylon as represented in it king. The king of Babylon was the morning star in the zenith of his glory -that God gave to him to exercise judgment on His people of Judah for their idolatry - but he did not give God the credit He is due but claimed it as his doing, (is this not great Babylon that I have built) and so God cast him out of power and the medo-Persians replaced him and his kingdom. Cyrus became the next gentile king God have power to do His will to ensure the people of Judah could return to the eretz-land
Several years ago, I was presenting biblical creation science material in a church group. One woman was focused on the Gap Theory (theory???), and I could tell that she was irritated with me and the material because it was easily refuted. I did not know about what was discussed here, thanks for equipping me for next time. Interesting that professing Christians are *determined* to use this or other things to shove millions of years into Scripture.
Awesome information in this video! Thank you. Now I know how to dispute the gap theory. Thank you. May God bless you both.
As a former materialistic evolutionist, converted to Biblical Theism, Creation and the Gospel in 1993, I am perplexed that in our day and age that Bible schools in evangelical circles mess up the Creation record.
I am perplexed by the very fact that this patent deception has not been successfully challenged yet, by scientists and scholars alike. I am also of the opinion that it is due to this false belief that we are now victims of the scientific humanist religion that prevails in society. And the very reason why we believe everything the scientist-expert priests in white lab coats tell us too for if we can believe evolution is true then we can believe just about anything else also no matter how bizarre or inhumane. The doctrine of the day is climate change that tells us carbon is the enemy when carbon is a fundamental building block of life on earth and it has been shown that higher carbon levels produce a greener earth... but our scientist priests think it is more important, no doubt for their own elite sakes, that a man made genocide occur in order to reduce the population on earth. We even believe the lie that the earth is over populated.
I agree! Actually anyone can find a verse or passage in the Bible to support WHATEVER absurd position they are supporting!!
@@priscillajervey8345 .....and then conduct revisionist history and state things like, "the early church fathers never believed in a young earth". This is similar to what the Watchtower Society does when they say thing likened to, "the early believers never believed in a trinity".
To back up erroneous doctrines, those pushing heresies will inevitably need to push erroneous history.
The early church most certainly believed in the Triune Godhead and a young earth because they believed the scriptures.
Excellent vid. You guys did very well making the case. To God be the glory! Thank you, both.
Thank you!
Great podcast! I would still absolutely love one with Dr. Sarfati on his book "The Greatest Hoax on Earth". :) God bless.
You can see the change to the rock layers, indicating a global flood when you look at the stations in rock all of a sudden it will take a 90° turn. Striation won’t wrap around something like that. It will fill in gaps and these wrap around at the same thicknesses on multiple layers. Also, the idea that there was a partial flood that went as high as huge mountains, what was holding all that water back on that one side? A partial flood doesn’t make any sense, unless you were talking about a valley, but that clearly wasn’t the case.
My question was about the animals on the ark. If you look at a certain species, let’s say a horse there are many different sizes and colors and shapes of horse throughout the world. Did the art contain each one of them or did it just contain a horse and then after Noah, they were allowed to , adapt and change again, people ask if they were dinosaurs on there, would there have been all kinds or could he have just had alligators or some Gila monsters?
The Bible is plain and clear he took two of each kind of animal, a certain amount of each that were clean and a certain amount of each that were unclean. Yes dinosaurs were on the ark and they were at breeding age when they came off the God we serve is amazing.
I never thought that I would see the day when people used the Fall of satan to describe his supposed reign on Earth.
I certainly agree. That has got to be the craziest notion devised by man. Yelp. Got created the first earth just for him to rule. He was too disobedient to remain in heaven, but not so for God to create him his own specical earth! That was pretty generous of God wouldn't you say?? Seriously!???
Joel gave the clearest explanation of the gap theory!
Why recreate the earth with Satan still in it after seeing what he has done to your first creation for millions of years ? 🤔
What a wise observation.
Satan is who is responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. Our Lord's plan has him being involved with it. For our Salvation.
Im not really a Gap Theory believer, but I feel they're incomplete in their description of Gap Theory and didn't give all the Biblical evidence.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
This passage in Job clearly shows there were events prior to the earth's creation. Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 are pretty clear that Lucifer reigned at some point. My understanding of Gap is that Lucifer reigned on the earth over a race of angelic beings not a race of people. He led an insurrection against God similar to Revelation 21, which is when God plunged the whole earth (universe) under water. Subversion under water is always associated with judgment (Noah's flood, baptism being a picture of death), which is why Genesis 1:2 is associated with judgment in Gap Theory. They would also say, "Where did the land come from". In Genesis 1:9, God said, "Let the dry land appear," insinuating land was already there. So, when was it made? It can't be 1:1 if 1:1 is a broad overview and the subsequent verses explain it.
My personal view is not a Gap between verses but rather eternity past existed. In my view, there was no separation between 3rd heaven and earth. Lucifer ruled as Gods light bearer (chief worshiper) on the earth. It was a perfect creation where substance and spirit were amalgamated. I get these ideas from what God promises about the future. If we want to know about eternity past, look at eternity future. God is trying to restore what He originally made BEFORE the beginning (beginning being a reference to the beginning of time; eternity past is prior to time in my view; eternity future does away with time as we know it). I'm not dogmatic on my viewpoint, but I feel like it answers my questions better than other views I've heard.
The Eden God was talking about is the earth before the fall!
The Bible is the immutable word of God, people who have fallen into sin desire in their wicked hearts to mix concepts of men with the word of God. Do not be deceived, always follow the Word of God.
AMEN!
Gives new meaning to reading between the lines.
Well said.
Ezekiel 28 clearly has nothing to do with Satan. Chapters 26-28 are specifically directed against the actual city of Tyre, just as 29 is against Egypt and 31 is against Assyria. Any casual reader of the book of Ezekiel will notice that he liked to use flowery language. If Ezekiel mentions "Eden" he almost certainly isn't talking about the actual garden of Eden. He mentions it several times in chapter 31 in order to compare the grandeur of the cedars of Lebanon that Assyria captured. Ezekiel said that the trees of Eden envied the cedars of Lebanon as if they existed side by side. Because of the flood and the massive time difference, we know that would be absurd. Therefore we can conclude that just as Eden was used as a symbol of grandeur in chapter 31 several times, Ezekiel did the same thing in 28. If people still want to take the language literally, then they are forced to deal with other absurdities. Chapter 28 emphatically states that the King of Tyre was corrupted by trade. That is what a city does and not what Satan does. The King of Tyre was cast before other kings. Unless someone wants to claim there were kings before people were created, then it makes no sense to say this literally.
In order to conclude that chapter 28 is talking about Satan you would have to fall asleep while reading the book of Ezekiel and then suddenly wake up and see the words "Cherub" and "Eden" and think to yourself, "Wow, a bad guy in Eden, this must be Satan!" That's how silly it is.
Our goal here is not to argue about whether or not this verse relates to Satan, but the point is that even if it did, it still provides no support for gap theory.
@@creationministriesintl I know. I'm just trying to alert people to the tendency towards bad hermeneutics in passages like this one. Sometimes you get one influential theologian--I think in this case it was Tertullian--to make one maverick, but flimsy interpretation and the idea just sticks. People from then on seem to just close their eyes to the actual context and go along with the received teaching.
Great exegesis, brother. I do think this is very important because you still have to convince a misguided brother what the words Eden and Cherib may represent. I should know…I had to convince my wife, and that wasn’t easy. I call her Rabbi because she is an OT geek. Lol
@@blessedbeliever8725 People just need to get in the habit of reading larger chunks of a book in the Bible at a time instead of mere verses or a chapter. The author's thoughts will naturally make themselves apparent to any person with a modicum of reading comprehension skills.
I'm no scientist, but can somebody explain to me why a flood would destroy all previous rock layers?
Haven't you ever watched the news station of pictures of ranging flood waters - how extremly destructive they are. They can destroy just about anything in their path old or new!!
Thanks.
If this is your understanding, i would like to know when and how were the dinosaurs destroyed. And were they on Noah's Ark. And when did the fight between Lusifer and Michael take place.
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If you would like to know then I recommend visiting creation.com to find out. We have written quite a bit concerning what animals were on Noah's Ark, how many, and the nature of dinosaur extinction.
@@creationministriesintl "O" my brother now i am shocked even more after listening to you dinosaurs life on earth story !.
Question. When you talked about the pre-Adam Solis humans wiped out during the flood. Some people talk about Nephilim and fallen angels breeding with human women, I believe that comes from the book of Enoch though, but do you think that they would have souls if they were created by a fallen angel and not procreated through to human beings? that’s if that description is even accurate, but with those fallen angels if they were able to procreate with human women create a child with a soul? 🤔
Mention of angels mating with human women is also in genesis chapter 6.
We are living souls!!!!!!! God breathed the BREATH [oxygen] into Adam nostrils and he BECAME a living soul! Eve is said to be the Mother of all the living! A child would automatically have a soul BECAUSE IT is a living/breathing human! Does God have a soul, did Satan and angels in heaven have souls? Satan was an angel. Also I might add the Nephlilim are mentioned in Genesis.
Lucifers name was changed to Satan before the garden of Eden was made.
Interesting video, although you guys make a lot of assumptions about gap theorists. Some gap proponents do indeed use the theory to squeeze in millions of years and all the geological ages. However, most gap theorists I’ve talked to are usually hyper dispensationalists, and only believe in a 2,000 year gap between the first two verses of Genesis. This is usually believed because of what’s commonly called the “millennial day system”…6,000 years of human history starting from Adam, to the reign of the Messiah in the world to come which will last 1,000 years (Ps 90:4, 2Pet 3:8, Rev 20:2-4)…7,000 years total, 6 of toil and labor and 1 of Sabbatical rest, mimicking the 7 day week of creation. Dispensational gap theorists will claim, the millennial reign was supposed to happen when Christ came the first time. When Steven is preaching his message to the Jews, the heavens open and Jesus is standing ready to come! But after Stephen was stoned, they say that Christ paused the clock to start the church age. So essentially you have these groups of 2000 years…
2,000 years from the original creation to Adam.
2,000 years from Adam to The law.
2,000 years from the law to the first advent.
Christ is rejected…clock is paused… so if we start at Adam, it’s only been 5,947 years according to the Essene calendar.
Then your experience is highly limited. Compromisers regular appeal to gap theory in an attempt to mix the Bible with deep time. CMI regularly deals with such people, and interacts with Christians who are faced with this twisting of scripture. So, these are not assumptions in the slightest. Gap theory has been one of the most common ways people have sought to harmonize the Bible with deep time, and the consequences have been severe.
the gap or (ruin-reconstruction) theory: Did not arise from any reading of the text, but was ‘discovered’ as a possible ‘answer’ to secular speculations of long ages; Was never biblically viable; Did not adequately deal with (in fact mostly failed to address) geological facts that were being interpreted as evidence for ‘millions of years’; never persuaded even small numbers of the scientific establishment that it could reconcile science with the Bible, and resulted in large numbers of young people being lost to the church during their higher education, as they realized that their supposed ‘answer’ didn’t work.
Gap ideas have good intentions, but are not only wrong, they have done considerable damage to the faith. The classic ‘gap theory’, historically, served largely to lull the church into a false confidence about the dangers of compromise on the age question. Because of this, naked naturalistic/evolutionary proposals were permitted to take over the areas of higher learning largely unopposed-with the church thinking they ‘had the answer’.
creation.com/6000-years
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You can call it "limited" experience, but it seems to me because you're so open about being young earth creationists, then naturally you're going to draw in critics who want to hold on to billions of years. But I wouldn't say that means the majority of gap theorists think this way. It also seems you just copied and pasted your response from Answers in Genesis or something like that. Again I'll say, the majority of TH-cam videos, articles, and other media that present the gap theory, are done so by KJV only hyper-dispensationalists. None of those guys that I'm aware of believe in billions of years
Naturally, those who work with CMI were exposed to such individuals long before joining said ministry. CMI is an international group that has spoken at thousands of churches worldwide. Use of gap theory to justify old earth compromise was commonplace in Bible colleges and seminaries.
How most gap theorists think (whatever you perceive that to be)
doesn't matter. Many old-earth compromisers appeal to gap theory. It is invalid and we are exposing that.
If anything was copied and pasted, it was from creation.com, not AIG. A pointless side note on your part.
@@creationministriesintl there’s definitely a negative attitude in your responses. There is no doubt you are incredibly defensive about this position concerning the gap theory. it seems as if you can’t handle criticism concerning one aspect of your ministry. I completely disagree with the notion that all gap theorists use this to believe in Billions of years, it’s just not true. And my answers in genesis comment is definitely not pointless, it’s obvious you’re riding the success of Ken Hamms ministry. I’m actually surprised that in your video you didn’t mention Thomas Chalmers not even once! I still enjoyed the video, and I look forward to more content. Just be aware when you say things like “ all gap theorist believe in this theory because they want billions of years…” again it’s just not true
Ah, a list of personal attacks. My friend you are the one who strikes me as having a negative attitude and being very defensive, but that is not relevant to whether or not either of us are correct in our assessments. So, whatever attitude we read into the discussion does not matter.
CMI's is AIG's parent ministry, we pre-exist them, and they came from us. If anything AIG exists by riding off our coattails, but that is neither here nor there.
Tell me, where did we claim ALL people who appeal to gap theory do so to justify belief in deep time? Many old-earth compromisers appeal to gap theory. It is invalid and we are exposing that. Knowing people who accept this gap, but don't place billions of years does not change that the gap is not there, and can't be used to argue for deep time, as many compromised Christians would argue.
There are many articles on creation.com concerning Gap theory, Thomas Chalmers is discussed among many of them, so your shock that he is not mentioned in this one specific video is of little concern.
The Bible is plain and clear that Satan was in the garden of Eden, perfect, and all his ways before iniquity was found in him.
Ezekiel 28:15 Context
12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
I will take the word and teaching of chuck missler and larry Olsen and so on because they're credentials and their unwavering faith in the word of GOD.
It is in the Bible
There are many people who believe in a young earth gap fact. The earth is about 10-12,000 years old according to history and geophysics
An interesting bald assertion. Of course many people believe in this gap. Many people also believe the moon landing was faked, that reincarnation is real, and that crystal vibrations have healing powers.
What matters is not "many people believe X", what matters is if you can bring the receipts.
Dr. Kent Hovind has an excellent video of the subject. It is called: refueling forget theory on TH-cam.
There is a big gap in the gap theory 😂
ABSOLUTELY.
You need to read the KJV the perfect word of God for the English speaking people. The Gap Fact does not say there were millions of years between Genesis 1-2. We don’t believe in evolution. Look at 2 Zpeter 3 talks about another flood. Read. The Gap Fact. By. Perry. Demopoulus. God bless you. Bill. Uk
1st, the 7 day creation week is clearly 7, 24 hour consecutive days about 6,000 years ago. Having said that, you must believe Gen 2:1, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." Clearly Satan wasn't created during that week. When and where does the Bible say he became "bad"?
You cannot believe that God had never created anything during the eternity He was around before this world was created. Genesis 1 & 2 doesn't describe when God made the throne He sits on in heaven. The heavens [atmosphere] where the birds fly was made in that week, but ONLY 2 great lights 1:16, says He made the planets in our solar system that day too, as they couldn't be around before the sun was created'
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan was in the mountain of God in heaven when he walked in the stones of fire. He fell into sin before creation week, then Satan and the angels he tricked to be on his side, started a war in to take over heaven, but they lost the war and got kicked out to this planet. That is why he was here to trick Eve.
The language of Exodus 20:11, says that God “made” everything in six days. this is a different Hebrew word than what’s used for “created“. This is a typical argument from a gap theorist
We have already addressed this claim here: creation.com/the-gap-theorypart-b
Thank you.@@creationministriesintl
Gap fact 2 timothy2:15
It does not teach millions of years
Gap theorists dont teach evolution ot thst millions of years are between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. They just teach thst Lucifer fell before the creation of earth.
Interested to hear where you got that information? The very definition of 'gap' theory is that it involves a gap.
There are no passages that speak of a pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. If you push the gap theorist, they will sometimes point to Ezekiel 28. Yet in this very passage in Ezekiel 28, we see that the anointed cherub was walking in his unfallen state in the garden of Eden. Eden was only created on the sixth day, so by the end of creation week, Satan had not yet fallen. The very passage that most gap theorists point to for this supposed pre-Adamic fall of Satan, ends up refuting it.
We cover this here:
Video: th-cam.com/video/zAQsxkr9EAI/w-d-xo.html
Article: dl0.creation.com/articles/p124/c12415/j32_3_111-114.pdf
@@creationministriesintl Watch Kim and Robert!
You're missing Peter & Isaiah so at least give the majority view instead of the minority view along with the totality of scripture vs one chapter in Ezekiel.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:12-15 KJV
Neither of those verses support the idea of Lucifer's flood. The first passage you cite does nothing to suggest that the flood described is anything other than the flood that occurred during the days of Noah.
The next passage concerning Lucifer also says nothing about the timing of his fall, nor is it associated with a flood of any kind.
To use this as evidence of gap theory, and Lucifer's flood is a case of reading outside ideas into scripture.
Beyond that, the video is clearly about whether Ezekial 28 supports the gap theory. CMI has produced other materials concerning arguments for the gap theory. This video was clearly not intended to be comprehensive, merely to show that Ezekial 28 specifically does not support the position. I recommend reading up on creation.com.
Have fun.
If I might suggest that the identity of Lucifer is given in v5 of that chapter.
What is being spoken of in symbolic language is the fall of Babylon as represented in it king. The king of Babylon was the morning star in the zenith of his glory -that God gave to him to exercise judgment on His people of Judah for their idolatry - but he did not give God the credit He is due but claimed it as his doing, (is this not great Babylon that I have built) and so God cast him out of power and the medo-Persians replaced him and his kingdom. Cyrus became the next gentile king God have power to do His will to ensure the people of Judah could return to the eretz-land
@@Adam-ox6zy this!
@@Adam-ox6zy And where in Isaiah does it say that Satan's fall was pre-Adamic?