“he’s a misogynist racist and antisemitic but not around me🥺” lmfao i can’t. i’m not gonna lie, bella’s clapback was hilarious and it still makes me cackle. julia deserved it and i don’t feel bad for saying that lol.
Her reasoning for dating Kanye was beyond ridiculous. Even if it had been genuine (which, give me a break), why would you want to date someone who needed to be distracted from harassing his ex? Just no all around.
"The man was normal around me". Just shows how WW can and will compartmentalize the violence their partners do and reap all the benefits as long as they're not directly affected by it.
Didn’t black women simp for violent criminals all of 2020? George Floyd the abuser of a black woman, who prob gang r-worded her after breaking into her home, and all the other blm abusers of black women/killers/drug dealers, etc.
@M C This is a video about white feminists, obviously the context is that this is a discussion heavily on white women. Saying “not just white women” adds no value to this very specific discussion
@@jazzywazzy8906 exactly. WW have a very specific role in history regarding racism and white supremacy there is no way to equalize their role to human nature lol. They added no value and sound dishonest.
Every day, there's a new reason for me not to be on TikTok. I've seen poc creators defending Julia's choice to partner with Kanye, knowing all she knew about him. Honestly, if she had just said I thought my P could change him, I would have bought it. But it's the fact she realizes what she was wrong, and she has to create a reason to defend her choice to profit from a violent misogynist man. Always remember, girl boss, gatekeep, and gaslight.
I definitely agree I low-key have a hard time letting her go tho bc the ziwe interview was very funny to me and the other things I've seen from her were alright but at he end of the day dating a man as vile as Kanye even before the recent antisemitic public stuff was not alright , with that being said Julia fox I ask you to shashay away .
Rhetoric like this parallels societies need for women to be the perfect victim. Once a famous woman starts speaking on feminist talking points they are held to an even more impossible standard in feminist spaces. There is not enough emphasis on how society/tik tok put her in this position.
I’ve been WAITING for the Julia Fox video essay because sis had needed one. I’m really not going to blame Julia for some teenagers on tiktok thinking any women with a quirky personality and fashion sense is a feminist, it happens all the time Saying that, Julia has been able to blow up so quickly by adopting the qualities of a modern day socialite. She is extremely keyed in to the current ‘discourse’ and optics of the Twitter/Insta-Verse, she knows what she needs to say to draw a certain audience and is aware enough of her whiteness and it’s privilege to use that awareness to disarm any suspicion black people may have of her (think the Ziwe interview) All of this allows her to date a Kanye West without much backlash. On top of that, she’s crafted her persona in the mould of a Kim Kardashian style valley girl airhead reality star, while also making it seem like she’s trolling, being satirical or critiquing that archetype. This means she either seems like a genuine valley girl to the people who love that archetype or a smarter-than-she-seems white girl making fun of her whiteness to those that don’t. This manoeuvre, for me, is clearly a response to the current era we’re in. Most people are tired of whiteness and tired of zero representation for marginalised people. Modelling a Gwen Stefani or a Kim Kardashian is not the option anymore, these women appropriate other races carelessly and shamelessly. White women who want to be popular and relevant know we expect more of them now and while other white celebs try (badly) to adapt themselves to this change, Julia seems to have found the right grift that evades critique while still being foolish and white.
“Most people are tired of whiteness and tired of zero representation for marginalized people.” This statement alone sums up the current generation right now. We are over whiteness being shoved down our throats. It’s tired.
Julia Fox is a raging heroin addict (as we can see by how gaunt she's been looking over the past year), and an ex yacht girl who was scouted by Kanye's team as a contract girlfriend for PR, end of story. Of COURSE the broad is going to lie about how she met Kanye and why she dated him. Anyone with a brain knows the truth and she's trying desperately to spin the 15 minutes of fame she got from the relationship into a lasting career of some kind, because she's an attention whore just like Kanye and the rest of the Kartrashians. I really don't know why anyone is taking anything she says at face value or giving any legitimacy to it by responding.
Until I saw this portion of the video, I thought you was talking about Bella Hadid 🤭 I’ve seen this Bella before on a Doechii post, didn’t know her name tho
she's been getting hyped up on tiktok for so long but her entire vibe is just OFF. her aligning with kanye for clout was the first red flag. folks on that app love to hype up the worst people and then are surprised when they say something racist/sexist
Her trying to turn dating Kanye into some sort of selfless act, positioning herself as this feminist savior laying herself on the line to rescue a woman in need....literally makes me gag. Like girl.....bffr. 😒
I’m glad you said this, bc when that uproar came from that person calling Julia out bc of HOW they said it..I was scratching my head. Today’s feminism focuses 99% on just vibes and feeling good in the moment and “if a woman did it and felt empowered, it’s good!” and critical thinking is often left out. Like was that person’s delivery cringey/had sexist tones? I guess…but the point still stands!! And Julia is a rich white woman who benefitted from that, being with Kanye and is now preaching about stuff, it’s very ironic and disingenuous
Yes! I think it's that WAP brand of feminism. Remember that precious moment when we were supposed to feel empowered by Cardi B and Meg tonguing each other down and raving about macaroni 🤮 I'm so sick of everyone virtue signaling and faking everything
“You shouldn’t have to answer for the bad behavior of your partner!” Lmao bruh yeah you should. Ur never “just” the partner of a fascist 😂 ur a full human person and u chose to be there Her tiktok response is like Shane Dawson bad
Say it again!! Say a third time!! I am sick and *TIRED* of people playing this stupid ass game. Kat von Anti-Semite did this shit way back when, and now queen of the fake ugly white girls (seriously, white people rly think looking avg is ugly, and I don't know to tell them that that's just them) thinks she can do it, too. No!! If *you* decide that you wanna be in community with someone as toxic as Kanye, especially in such an intimate manner, then *you* have just now opened yourself up for a bevy of critiques. If you were the Feminist Icon^TM that you act like (but deny because the optics of calling yourself a feminist are still not cute), you would not be able to be in the same room as that man. Much less be his romantic and sexual partner!! Get real!!
Julia Fox is unintelligent and bc social media has made ppl very shallow and unwilling to critically think about the world around us, she is able to say “thought vomit” and people eat it up. Her explanation of why she felt comfortable dating him literally cost me brain cells listening to it.
Julia Fox is a case study of what not to do for a come up. Her relationship with Ye was a publicity stunt from the beginning. Whenever my friends and people I followed on Instagram shared their photos, I cringed a lot😬…
I would have respected her a lot more if she was just honest about wanting visibility and a come up instead of framing it as trying to "save" Kanye. Lmao
The idea of modern feminism keeps changing so much that I feel like there is no place for me to safely identify with the politics. Especially, when they so rarely serve us but require so much labour from us. There is something so insidious and truly tiring about women like Julia and their performative politics which moneterily and socially benefits them all while harming the women (politics) they claim to be about.
All of this. There was always something about celebrity sex pots being feminists that make me want to roll my eyes. When Beyonce started speaking on her "feminism" years ago it irked me so hard. It's such lies and this brand of crafting a career chasing the male gaze while also saying they are feminists is such bs but no one is allowed to say so. Now this type of feminism is all we see
I too have bowed out of the feminism movement. Until women transcend social dynamics centered around envy, comparison and competition, there isn't much we can do around feminism. I've upset a lot of women by bringing these themes up. These celebrities are simply making money off of our collective desire to distract ourselves from the reality - which is, women are not truly united, we haven't been supporting each other irl and in the day to day, and we still hold each other to superhuman standards while looking the other way when it comes to the men around us. We call people out online but we don't hold them accountable irl. It's much easier to complain about feminism on the internet than to do the work of healing our bullshit, and balancing our egos out so that we can sincerely connect with each other.
I think Julia Fox is the less insidious version of capital F feminism. The worst ones wouldn’t date Jan. 6 bros (or Ye types) because that’s too obviously contradictory. They’ll instead find a neo-liberal, “I’m-the-homie-&-my-best-friend-is-Black” White men (think Gary V). Honestly you coulda just said “girl, bye” to Julia and I would applaud 😂. Her nonsense really didn’t deserve your energy. ❤
I think we will have a more useful analysis of we take a moment to aknowlage the fact that the women who supported Trump and dated Jan 6 rioters are themselves open conservatives who emphatically reject feminism. The broad support Trump had from white women is more of a statement of the dominace of conservativism among white women and the failures of "white" feminism to really recruit among its target demographic.
you mean more insidious? cause if so, absolutely! much more dangerous than those who just openly or unapologetically or even apologetically date Jan6 bros.
i think two things can be true. what bela said about julia referring to her as a pork chop was gross and highly misogynist but the other criticism she had were completely valid.
Julia Fox being heralded as a Feminist icon while also dogpiling Bella is like ????? Are we really just going to be okay w/ Fox's transmisogyny in action there? Like harassing women is bad but not trans women???? Unsurprising. So glad I don't use tik tok. Thanks for the video, Jouelzy
What’s driving me crazy is women being like wow she’s a such a feminist and I’m like HOWWWWW like sh*t makes me want to put my head through a wall Edit: Julia saying she dated Ye to save Kim sent me into orbit like how is that even logical? Did she really give the “but I thought I could fix him 🥺” trope like this isn’t a movie this is real life 😭
Yeah fully agree that’s one of the most stupid things she’s said but I do think she is more feminist then people give her credit for. She talks about aging and being ugly and not giving a Fuck what people think and that stuff is cool and refreshing to hear. But she’s also a bit of a troll and says some ridiculous shit
there are people swearing that she's actually so very smart just because she said some things that are not technically wrong but not anything new. generic people are something else
Is that the goal? To say something new and revolutionary? It seems a lot of the critique of her is based not on the merit of what she says but on how generic she is. That seems unfair. This ain’t directed at anyone specifically.
@@1232N she's kinda been reiterating what people of marginalized communities have been saying and that's the problem (for me). A lot of the time when people in marginalized communities have something to say they get overlooked and ignored, but when it comes to people the Julia, they get praised for simply saying the exact same thing bc of where she stands socially
I mean I am going to be honest . I haven’t heard anything groundbreaking from this content creator. She sounds as she should: like any other grad student.
there's a difference between being there for someone who has learned and internalized a lot of harmful msgs (which let's be real we all have) and being an active support to someone who is consistenly actively harming people. in ye's case, swaths and swaths of people. language has the capacity to hold harm, as much as ppl like to hide behind 'sticks and stones'. if that were true our societies would be nothing like what they are today. people would be nothing like what they are. anyway. commenting for the algorithm mainly because this video was rly good and i appreciated it a lot.
27:14 This is the page I wish BW would take out of WW's proverbial book. Stop taking responsibility for men PERIOD. BW need to learn the **Rose-letting-go-of-Jack-to-save-herself** attitude.
i was following her when she started to post these tiktoks that were "feminist" bc I used to think her points were somewhat valid until she posted her response for dating kanye as trying to protect kim like pleaseeeee. and thanks for this video, i think I'm a lot more critical now of my following list esp people i follow that talk about feminism but often times in the whiteosphere
Asking folks to read Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, bell hooks, Barbara Smith, The Fields Sisters, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Angela Davis, or a number of other Black feminist and abolition feminist scholars before they call Julia Fox a feminist queen........ *screams internally*
25:30 She rly just said that she had love and a soft spot for the K Klan... But I'm supposed to believe that she has some type of feminist politic. Sure, Jan.
Thank you for saying all of this. I though I had missed something or was crazy, cause the fact that she is actually being praised confused the crap out of me
Thank you for this!!!!!!!!!! It's been super cringe seeing people live for her and think she doing something. It's embarrassing to see the poc she keeps as company have no problem being her bestie
I think part of her being on Ziwe was situational irony, I think this was on purpose and often Ziwe is criticizing who she interviews in a satirical way to poke fun at peoples inherent white biases
Social media is destroying my mental health. The stress of trying so hard a d not growing a BUDGE had me have a meltdown recently and I need a break. Bc I feel there are forces against me for sure. So I deactivated my IG .. BC I WAS BANNED for literally no reason. I been faceless half the year on my channel also.. this shyt aint the way
Her tiktok era & the inevitable fame & fortune coming her way is on brand with capital Feminism. The world will reward her as it always does with the people with this ideology. Like you said one doesn’t even need to go too far into the academic texts to see through what she’s engaged into. Her claim of getting giving the man attention to distract him just shows how little she thinks of her audience. As if the reason he’s been harassing his ex is the lacking attention from women. Awws how i miss my younger African womanist era & learning from all these brilliant black women😊❤
Hmm I agree with so much said here but I think what’s interesting in her response to dating Kanye is she did admit how problematic her thinking was not saying we should forgive but I feel lik there are many women like her in this day and age including me who struggle with the dynamics of engaging in feminist thought and also learning how to adopt it into your everyday life and to which degree when we are still under a patriarchal system I find that sometimes you are going to find yourself fucking up sometimes because you will unknowingly or knowingly choose to opt into “anti feminist” behaviors as a form of self preservation and self preservation can come in many forms it’s not just about surviving in the literal sense. So I find just like her my actions can be hypocritical or confusing for me I think what one does in their personal life is different from the change they are doing for others I partake in these types of discourses not for myself because I know I will never see the change in my lifetime but this is for the women of the future so that certain decisions that past women and women of today have made don’t have to feel lik an option for them tbh Julia foxs behavior from what you explained in this video and what I have heard is like many women I know in my life personally who are still navigating how to truly be free in a society that is constantly surrounded by patriarchal values it can seem impossible not to fuck up once in a while in playing into those toxic dynamics the only difference is Julia fox is in the spotlight and the women I know are not all I hope is for a future that women do not have to feel as though they have to play into these harmful dynamics in order to survive.
Well said. Famous woman start getting held to an NEW impossible standard once they start participating feminist talking points. Nothing ever will change if we point out the negatives but then not acknowledge how the system effects their choice.
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this is so sad. i have only seen a couple of her clips as they were featured in other youtuber's videos. there is nothing that seems feminist about her and i cannot believe people are buying into it. hopefully they're just paid promoters / younger people who may learn better in the future.
I definitely fell into her lil trap and im so glad u made this video. white women need to be more aware of these kinda issues with white feminism. so glad u called out the fact that white women love to use performative activism online but tend to vote overwhelmingly red. thank u sm for this video!!!!
I think we need to be mindful of the fact that controlling and abusive men do a good job of getting their new partners on their side and weaponizing them once an ex leaves them. Case and point: the way kim bullied Amber. Abusers benefit from creating tension between exes because they don't want the women to compare notes. And this is not to say amber, kim, or julia are free of sin but we do need to aknowlage that the broader problem here is Kanye's pattern of entitled Misogynistic behavoir (that can very well lead to violence)...we don't actually know the dynamic between him and julia (thought give his past and the short length of the relationship it would be fair to say that it probobly was not a good one) and at this time it would be more prudent to wait out the impulse to coment on it...each day seems to reval a new level of Kanye related awfulness and with that bigger and more powerful enablers (Fox News, TMZ, the entire fashion industry, Elon Musk, Johnny Depp's Lawyers, and a former president).
@@dgtlmyooz yeah, I agree, but it was never, could never give that. She's a comedian/satirist deeply entrenched in white owned institutions, jokingly poking the bear from the inside. I like how she throws white passive aggresiveness back at her guests but ultimately it's just another form of entertainment. The revolution CANNOT be televised ever.
I have always felt extremely off ab Julia fox and never known why I thought it was just me, I just think feminism goes so much deeper than being able to literally say “fck the man”. Her back and forth with azalea banks was not something I would’ve participated in, even if I don’t agree with azalea banks it is not in my brand of feminism to try and make black women look goofy on the internet nor do I want to help facilitate that.
THANK U I feel like everyone around me is worshipping her just because she has some extremely base level takes on feminism. She’s protected by the shield of “don’t blame women for the men they date 🥺🥺” like I don’t think she’s the devil but let’s bffr…..
if Julia Fox shamed you for dating the wrong person, you could shame her for dating Kanye West. but she criticized you for using b***** and you criticized her for dating Kanye West? Hmmm for me it is irrelevant and giving me the censorship energy. (yes censorship is political too) I agree there are a lot of things to be criticized about Julia Fox, but this is just a very pointless case, a typically stupid tiktok drama, no constructive discussion, only attacking each other.
I think there is a discussion needing to be had around why so many women have had to be affiliated sexually/romantically with a man of status in order to get a public platform in this society. When you are a woman who gets the opportunity to move around and build things in your life without that affiliation with a man, there can be a lot of suspicion and judgement thrown your way, which sets progress back. We love to complain about women who profit and advance in society by dating famous problematic men. A truth we seem to be avoiding, is that we're also not doing right by the women in this society who build themselves and their life up without that dependence on such men. And if you've had the opportunity to do that, you know it's a tough path considering how our society is rigged.
Really great discussion. I would go over the parts where you mention Bella again bc a level of discomfort with her gender was definitely coming through. Something to note for next time
“he’s a misogynist racist and antisemitic but not around me🥺” lmfao i can’t.
i’m not gonna lie, bella’s clapback was hilarious and it still makes me cackle. julia deserved it and i don’t feel bad for saying that lol.
Her reasoning for dating Kanye was beyond ridiculous. Even if it had been genuine (which, give me a break), why would you want to date someone who needed to be distracted from harassing his ex? Just no all around.
It was giving white saviour complex 😅
"The man was normal around me". Just shows how WW can and will compartmentalize the violence their partners do and reap all the benefits as long as they're not directly affected by it.
That is basically the history of this country.
Didn’t black women simp for violent criminals all of 2020? George Floyd the abuser of a black woman, who prob gang r-worded her after breaking into her home, and all the other blm abusers of black women/killers/drug dealers, etc.
@M C This is a video about white feminists, obviously the context is that this is a discussion heavily on white women. Saying “not just white women” adds no value to this very specific discussion
@@jazzywazzy8906 exactly. WW have a very specific role in history regarding racism and white supremacy there is no way to equalize their role to human nature lol. They added no value and sound dishonest.
it's not just white women who do this, women do this all the time full stop.
Like Kim, Julia seems willing to do anything to be famous. We will probably see more of her
Say it ain't so smdh but you right
Thank u !
I disagree she seems have morals she already in movie and former model unlike Kim
@@houseofmatrix6174 a c list celebrity looking for a come up
@@houseofmatrix6174 nobody knew who she was before that
Every day, there's a new reason for me not to be on TikTok. I've seen poc creators defending Julia's choice to partner with Kanye, knowing all she knew about him. Honestly, if she had just said I thought my P could change him, I would have bought it. But it's the fact she realizes what she was wrong, and she has to create a reason to defend her choice to profit from a violent misogynist man. Always remember, girl boss, gatekeep, and gaslight.
I definitely agree I low-key have a hard time letting her go tho bc the ziwe interview was very funny to me and the other things I've seen from her were alright but at he end of the day dating a man as vile as Kanye even before the recent antisemitic public stuff was not alright , with that being said Julia fox I ask you to shashay away .
Just cause they black dont make'em right. Folks in my family still believe the church can cure rape.
Rhetoric like this parallels societies need for women to be the perfect victim. Once a famous woman starts speaking on feminist talking points they are held to an even more impossible standard in feminist spaces. There is not enough emphasis on how society/tik tok put her in this position.
@@Faithscanvaswhat?? Asking for someone not to be hypocrite for a movement they stand for is hard???
“The man was normal around me 😮”(a woman who affirms Eurocentric beauty standards and upholds WS)
I’ve been WAITING for the Julia Fox video essay because sis had needed one.
I’m really not going to blame Julia for some teenagers on tiktok thinking any women with a quirky personality and fashion sense is a feminist, it happens all the time
Saying that, Julia has been able to blow up so quickly by adopting the qualities of a modern day socialite.
She is extremely keyed in to the current ‘discourse’ and optics of the Twitter/Insta-Verse, she knows what she needs to say to draw a certain audience and is aware enough of her whiteness and it’s privilege to use that awareness to disarm any suspicion black people may have of her (think the Ziwe interview)
All of this allows her to date a Kanye West without much backlash. On top of that, she’s crafted her persona in the mould of a Kim Kardashian style valley girl airhead reality star, while also making it seem like she’s trolling, being satirical or critiquing that archetype.
This means she either seems like a genuine valley girl to the people who love that archetype or a smarter-than-she-seems white girl making fun of her whiteness to those that don’t.
This manoeuvre, for me, is clearly a response to the current era we’re in. Most people are tired of whiteness and tired of zero representation for marginalised people.
Modelling a Gwen Stefani or a Kim Kardashian is not the option anymore, these women appropriate other races carelessly and shamelessly.
White women who want to be popular and relevant know we expect more of them now and while other white celebs try (badly) to adapt themselves to this change, Julia seems to have found the right grift that evades critique while still being foolish and white.
love this take
“Most people are tired of whiteness and tired of zero representation for marginalized people.” This statement alone sums up the current generation right now. We are over whiteness being shoved down our throats. It’s tired.
Julia Fox is a raging heroin addict (as we can see by how gaunt she's been looking over the past year), and an ex yacht girl who was scouted by Kanye's team as a contract girlfriend for PR, end of story. Of COURSE the broad is going to lie about how she met Kanye and why she dated him. Anyone with a brain knows the truth and she's trying desperately to spin the 15 minutes of fame she got from the relationship into a lasting career of some kind, because she's an attention whore just like Kanye and the rest of the Kartrashians. I really don't know why anyone is taking anything she says at face value or giving any legitimacy to it by responding.
Julia Fox as a person has the same energy as the quote "get your a$s up and work. It seems like no one wants to work these days"
Bella read Julia FOR FILFTH!!!!! Yes! If I were on TikTok, I would’ve given her a follow for that alone. Poetry!
Until I saw this portion of the video, I thought you was talking about Bella Hadid 🤭 I’ve seen this Bella before on a Doechii post, didn’t know her name tho
@@yaggayaggaya9918 I thought she was talking about Bella Thorne 😅
@@isattathecreator I’m so out the loop lol, I had to Google who that is 🫢
Same. I felt embarassed for Julia after that read lmao
"an entire carnival!"...rolling 😂😂💀
she's been getting hyped up on tiktok for so long but her entire vibe is just OFF. her aligning with kanye for clout was the first red flag. folks on that app love to hype up the worst people and then are surprised when they say something racist/sexist
Her trying to turn dating Kanye into some sort of selfless act, positioning herself as this feminist savior laying herself on the line to rescue a woman in need....literally makes me gag. Like girl.....bffr. 😒
I’m glad you said this, bc when that uproar came from that person calling Julia out bc of HOW they said it..I was scratching my head. Today’s feminism focuses 99% on just vibes and feeling good in the moment and “if a woman did it and felt empowered, it’s good!” and critical thinking is often left out. Like was that person’s delivery cringey/had sexist tones? I guess…but the point still stands!! And Julia is a rich white woman who benefitted from that, being with Kanye and is now preaching about stuff, it’s very ironic and disingenuous
Yes! I think it's that WAP brand of feminism. Remember that precious moment when we were supposed to feel empowered by Cardi B and Meg tonguing each other down and raving about macaroni 🤮
I'm so sick of everyone virtue signaling and faking everything
“You shouldn’t have to answer for the bad behavior of your partner!”
Lmao bruh yeah you should. Ur never “just” the partner of a fascist 😂 ur a full human person and u chose to be there
Her tiktok response is like Shane Dawson bad
Say it again!! Say a third time!!
I am sick and *TIRED* of people playing this stupid ass game. Kat von Anti-Semite did this shit way back when, and now queen of the fake ugly white girls (seriously, white people rly think looking avg is ugly, and I don't know to tell them that that's just them) thinks she can do it, too.
No!!
If *you* decide that you wanna be in community with someone as toxic as Kanye, especially in such an intimate manner, then *you* have just now opened yourself up for a bevy of critiques. If you were the Feminist Icon^TM that you act like (but deny because the optics of calling yourself a feminist are still not cute), you would not be able to be in the same room as that man. Much less be his romantic and sexual partner!!
Get real!!
Julia Fox is unintelligent and bc social media has made ppl very shallow and unwilling to critically think about the world around us, she is able to say “thought vomit” and people eat it up. Her explanation of why she felt comfortable dating him literally cost me brain cells listening to it.
Julia Fox is a case study of what not to do for a come up. Her relationship with Ye was a publicity stunt from the beginning. Whenever my friends and people I followed on Instagram shared their photos, I cringed a lot😬…
I would have respected her a lot more if she was just honest about wanting visibility and a come up instead of framing it as trying to "save" Kanye. Lmao
@@ornenow4703 Same here. My respect for her is door in the toilet🚽💀
The idea of modern feminism keeps changing so much that I feel like there is no place for me to safely identify with the politics. Especially, when they so rarely serve us but require so much labour from us.
There is something so insidious and truly tiring about women like Julia and their performative politics which moneterily and socially benefits them all while harming the women (politics) they claim to be about.
a word! i feel this very much
@@CrismerlySantibanez thanks sis🙏🏾🙏🏾
All of this. There was always something about celebrity sex pots being feminists that make me want to roll my eyes. When Beyonce started speaking on her "feminism" years ago it irked me so hard. It's such lies and this brand of crafting a career chasing the male gaze while also saying they are feminists is such bs but no one is allowed to say so. Now this type of feminism is all we see
I too have bowed out of the feminism movement. Until women transcend social dynamics centered around envy, comparison and competition, there isn't much we can do around feminism. I've upset a lot of women by bringing these themes up. These celebrities are simply making money off of our collective desire to distract ourselves from the reality - which is, women are not truly united, we haven't been supporting each other irl and in the day to day, and we still hold each other to superhuman standards while looking the other way when it comes to the men around us. We call people out online but we don't hold them accountable irl. It's much easier to complain about feminism on the internet than to do the work of healing our bullshit, and balancing our egos out so that we can sincerely connect with each other.
What she did with Kanye was reward his bad behavior. She looked at him and said, "Wow, look at how he's treating her! My turn."
Ugh...
reward it or capitalize off?...
@@absolutelyfab both probably
@@absolutelyfab capitalize obviously. How was she a reward to Ye. No one even knew her
@@kokolatte825 y'all know what a rhetorical question is 🤣
I think Julia Fox is the less insidious version of capital F feminism. The worst ones wouldn’t date Jan. 6 bros (or Ye types) because that’s too obviously contradictory. They’ll instead find a neo-liberal, “I’m-the-homie-&-my-best-friend-is-Black” White men (think Gary V).
Honestly you coulda just said “girl, bye” to Julia and I would applaud 😂. Her nonsense really didn’t deserve your energy. ❤
I think we will have a more useful analysis of we take a moment to aknowlage the fact that the women who supported Trump and dated Jan 6 rioters are themselves open conservatives who emphatically reject feminism. The broad support Trump had from white women is more of a statement of the dominace of conservativism among white women and the failures of "white" feminism to really recruit among its target demographic.
you mean more insidious? cause if so, absolutely! much more dangerous than those who just openly or unapologetically or even apologetically date Jan6 bros.
i think two things can be true. what bela said about julia referring to her as a pork chop was gross and highly misogynist but the other criticism she had were completely valid.
Exactly too much black and white thinking around this topic.
Bella read her for filth!!! 😂😂😂
Vacuous is the word that comes to mind when I think of Julia Fox.
They want her to be Mother so baddddd
Y she talking about her after school special of a relationship with Kanye like she was a missionary trying to save his soul 😭
Julia Fox being heralded as a Feminist icon while also dogpiling Bella is like ????? Are we really just going to be okay w/ Fox's transmisogyny in action there? Like harassing women is bad but not trans women???? Unsurprising. So glad I don't use tik tok. Thanks for the video, Jouelzy
Meanwhile she has an Asian trans friend she parades around like an I’m An Ally trophy
Transmisogyny is an interesting and complex topic
I think Bella wasn't out at the time of the drama yet, but still definitely some queerphobia at play
if "did you know where your boyfriend was at on january 6?" is not already on one of your tshirts, then it needs to be
What’s driving me crazy is women being like wow she’s a such a feminist and I’m like HOWWWWW like sh*t makes me want to put my head through a wall
Edit: Julia saying she dated Ye to save Kim sent me into orbit like how is that even logical? Did she really give the “but I thought I could fix him 🥺” trope like this isn’t a movie this is real life 😭
lmaoo yes It sounds so utterly ridiculous
Yeah fully agree that’s one of the most stupid things she’s said but I do think she is more feminist then people give her credit for. She talks about aging and being ugly and not giving a Fuck what people think and that stuff is cool and refreshing to hear. But she’s also a bit of a troll and says some ridiculous shit
Because she doesn’t have eyebrows. She’s so strong.
@@kelliecook736 😫🤣
@@kelliecook736 LMFAO WHAT NIE
Whew chile Bella ate Julia UP! But nonetheless white folks business lol
The screenshot of her google search was nasty. Loved every second
there are people swearing that she's actually so very smart just because she said some things that are not technically wrong but not anything new. generic people are something else
I feel like my generation is cruelly proudly uneducated, un curious and feeding too much on entertainment more than thr actual world
Is that the goal? To say something new and revolutionary?
It seems a lot of the critique of her is based not on the merit of what she says but on how generic she is.
That seems unfair.
This ain’t directed at anyone specifically.
@@1232N idk what's the goal is, that's not the point. what she says and how generic she is go together idk what's unfair about that
@@1232N she's kinda been reiterating what people of marginalized communities have been saying and that's the problem (for me). A lot of the time when people in marginalized communities have something to say they get overlooked and ignored, but when it comes to people the Julia, they get praised for simply saying the exact same thing bc of where she stands socially
I mean I am going to be honest . I haven’t heard anything groundbreaking from this content creator. She sounds as she should: like any other grad student.
there's a difference between being there for someone who has learned and internalized a lot of harmful msgs (which let's be real we all have) and being an active support to someone who is consistenly actively harming people. in ye's case, swaths and swaths of people. language has the capacity to hold harm, as much as ppl like to hide behind 'sticks and stones'. if that were true our societies would be nothing like what they are today. people would be nothing like what they are.
anyway. commenting for the algorithm mainly because this video was rly good and i appreciated it a lot.
This girl is lost how can she lead anyone anywhere? lol
Yeah i don’t even know where this lady came from. She just popped up out of nowhere and continues to harass the public with her nonsense lol
27:14 This is the page I wish BW would take out of WW's proverbial book. Stop taking responsibility for men PERIOD.
BW need to learn the **Rose-letting-go-of-Jack-to-save-herself** attitude.
Lmao he called her a carnival!!!!!!
She’s a TikTok darling for some reason 💀
oh C'MON....we know why!!!
i was following her when she started to post these tiktoks that were "feminist" bc I used to think her points were somewhat valid until she posted her response for dating kanye as trying to protect kim like pleaseeeee. and thanks for this video, i think I'm a lot more critical now of my following list esp people i follow that talk about feminism but often times in the whiteosphere
Asking folks to read Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, bell hooks, Barbara Smith, The Fields Sisters, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Angela Davis, or a number of other Black feminist and abolition feminist scholars before they call Julia Fox a feminist queen........ *screams internally*
“8.5 x 11 woman” took me out, your mind 😭
I legit said “a white paper woman??” out loud, then it made sense. 🤣
The rebrand has been very interesting lol & the fact it’s been working for ppl
25:30 She rly just said that she had love and a soft spot for the K Klan...
But I'm supposed to believe that she has some type of feminist politic. Sure, Jan.
and she said it with her whole chest too lol like who publicly proclaims their love for theb k klan
"between the two earlobes. . ." 😂 I'm gonna start using this phrase! so funny
Thank you for breaking this down. Some have trouble differentiating between "F" feminism and black feminism. We have to march to another drum.
I remember when she had "ready for the revolution" in her bio.
peak comedy
Thank you for saying all of this. I though I had missed something or was crazy, cause the fact that she is actually being praised confused the crap out of me
Your analysis is my lifeline frfr!
Thank you for this!!!!!!!!!! It's been super cringe seeing people live for her and think she doing something. It's embarrassing to see the poc she keeps as company have no problem being her bestie
Omg you’re hair looks absolutely beautiful and suits you so well!
I had to pause it after you said 8.5x11 woman. I haven't recovered. Just leave me right here with my thoughts 😫
Letter-sized _Dægo_ woman?
The rebranding to mainstream feminism that Julia went through always felt shallow to me. And the way you broke it down most definitely makes it clear.
After all these years rocking with you girl, I STILL can’t get over how gorgeous you are 😍
I think part of her being on Ziwe was situational irony, I think this was on purpose and often Ziwe is criticizing who she interviews in a satirical way to poke fun at peoples inherent white biases
ziwe isn’t funny enough to do her show, she’s friends with julia and emily ratatouille
Social media is destroying my mental health. The stress of trying so hard a d not growing a BUDGE had me have a meltdown recently and I need a break. Bc I feel there are forces against me for sure. So I deactivated my IG .. BC I WAS BANNED for literally no reason. I been faceless half the year on my channel also.. this shyt aint the way
We can say the same for Amber Rose and Kim! Seems to me they all got with Kanye knowing it would get them to the bag.
Its giving melina drumpt
I didn't even know this was going on (another reason I'm glad I'm not on TT) but thanks for getting me caught up on what's going on.
I absolutely LOVE your content! I need to join the book club!
They stay doing the bare minimum and getting rewarded for it. Boring. Any who, Jouelzy, you look very cute in this video❤
Just found your videos. I love them! You break down things in a truly digestible way because I am truly dumb af haha so thank you!
So basically grifters gonna' grift.
White feminism has been on a role this year.😏
no because let’s speak about it 😭
She wouldn’t have done this if it wasn’t for the anti-semitism allegations. She tryna save herself now LMFAO.
Yo sorry but ‘Ziwi’ is taking me the fuck out 😂😂😂😂
Ziwi sounds cute, I can’t lie 😭
sending this video to emrata bc ol girl definitely needs it
8.5x11 woman…LYRICAL AF 🔥🔥🔥
Letter-sized _Dægo_ chick? That's how I took it!!
😁😁😁😁
Her tiktok era & the inevitable fame & fortune coming her way is on brand with capital Feminism. The world will reward her as it always does with the people with this ideology. Like you said one doesn’t even need to go too far into the academic texts to see through what she’s engaged into. Her claim of getting giving the man attention to distract him just shows how little she thinks of her audience. As if the reason he’s been harassing his ex is the lacking attention from women. Awws how i miss my younger African womanist era & learning from all these brilliant black women😊❤
Hmm I agree with so much said here but I think what’s interesting in her response to dating Kanye is she did admit how problematic her thinking was not saying we should forgive but I feel lik there are many women like her in this day and age including me who struggle with the dynamics of engaging in feminist thought and also learning how to adopt it into your everyday life and to which degree when we are still under a patriarchal system I find that sometimes you are going to find yourself fucking up sometimes because you will unknowingly or knowingly choose to opt into “anti feminist” behaviors as a form of self preservation and self preservation can come in many forms it’s not just about surviving in the literal sense. So I find just like her my actions can be hypocritical or confusing for me I think what one does in their personal life is different from the change they are doing for others I partake in these types of discourses not for myself because I know I will never see the change in my lifetime but this is for the women of the future so that certain decisions that past women and women of today have made don’t have to feel lik an option for them tbh Julia foxs behavior from what you explained in this video and what I have heard is like many women I know in my life personally who are still navigating how to truly be free in a society that is constantly surrounded by patriarchal values it can seem impossible not to fuck up once in a while in playing into those toxic dynamics the only difference is Julia fox is in the spotlight and the women I know are not all I hope is for a future that women do not have to feel as though they have to play into these harmful dynamics in order to survive.
Well said. Famous woman start getting held to an NEW impossible standard once they start participating feminist talking points. Nothing ever will change if we point out the negatives but then not acknowledge how the system effects their choice.
18:03 I rly thought she was gonna stop after calling Julia a joke, but I should've known better...
When i first learned how to do my natural hair you helped me. I don’t have your texture but you had such good info and i loved your natural nails! You should have more subscribers honestly. One of the OGs in these TH-cam streets! 💜💜💜💜
Wow...a poet. Jouelzy girllllllllllllllllllllllllllll💀
You're so articulate and sharp. Love your videos! Great discovery for me ❤
this is so sad. i have only seen a couple of her clips as they were featured in other youtuber's videos. there is nothing that seems feminist about her and i cannot believe people are buying into it. hopefully they're just paid promoters / younger people who may learn better in the future.
This was a GREAT video
Thank you for talking about this!
Hey, Jouelzy, I’m going to watch the video, but I’m also copying this hairstyle when my taper grows out! ❤
what are your opinions on emrata? she exists in the same realm of 'feminism' as julia fox to me
(btw your hair looks BEAUTIFUL)
I definitely fell into her lil trap and im so glad u made this video. white women need to be more aware of these kinda issues with white feminism. so glad u called out the fact that white women love to use performative activism online but tend to vote overwhelmingly red. thank u sm for this video!!!!
I think we need to be mindful of the fact that controlling and abusive men do a good job of getting their new partners on their side and weaponizing them once an ex leaves them. Case and point: the way kim bullied Amber. Abusers benefit from creating tension between exes because they don't want the women to compare notes. And this is not to say amber, kim, or julia are free of sin but we do need to aknowlage that the broader problem here is Kanye's pattern of entitled Misogynistic behavoir (that can very well lead to violence)...we don't actually know the dynamic between him and julia (thought give his past and the short length of the relationship it would be fair to say that it probobly was not a good one) and at this time it would be more prudent to wait out the impulse to coment on it...each day seems to reval a new level of Kanye related awfulness and with that bigger and more powerful enablers (Fox News, TMZ, the entire fashion industry, Elon Musk, Johnny Depp's Lawyers, and a former president).
@sewer~ratand?
@sewer~rat and what's your point ?
Say it louder for the ppl in the back who hate to see both sides of the conversation 👏👏
new fav channel, you are iconic
Julia Fox is Neurodivergent??? Like actually diagnosed or self-diagnosed???
diagnosed
You’re so gorgeous that makeup on you is unbelievably perfect
her reason for dating Kanye:
😶 B R U H.
😂 GEEEETT THE FUCK OUTTA HERE. 😂🤣OMG i can't. 💀
@ 26:20 Julia gave us the Plot to the movie “John Tucker Must Die” she ain’t slick 🤣🤦🏽♀️
Joulzey that girl name is pronounced
Z-Way 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My bad. I don’t watch her stuff. 😬
@@jouelzy what do you think about the concept of her show, Jouelzy? I’m curious
@@yaggayaggaya9918 deeply uncritical
@@dgtlmyooz yeah, I agree, but it was never, could never give that. She's a comedian/satirist deeply entrenched in white owned institutions, jokingly poking the bear from the inside.
I like how she throws white passive aggresiveness back at her guests but ultimately it's just another form of entertainment. The revolution CANNOT be televised ever.
I have always felt extremely off ab Julia fox and never known why I thought it was just me, I just think feminism goes so much deeper than being able to literally say “fck the man”. Her back and forth with azalea banks was not something I would’ve participated in, even if I don’t agree with azalea banks it is not in my brand of feminism to try and make black women look goofy on the internet nor do I want to help facilitate that.
8.5 by 11 woman… chile I knew it was a good video from that moment on 🤣
THANK U I feel like everyone around me is worshipping her just because she has some extremely base level takes on feminism. She’s protected by the shield of “don’t blame women for the men they date 🥺🥺” like I don’t think she’s the devil but let’s bffr…..
Great video!
Ooo that’s like 50 years ago… Woooow😂😂😂 I felt this
Joulezy I got to get my tea and pause
Does anyone have any book recs on Black feminism?
Bela DRAGGWD THE EVER LIVING SHIT OUT OF JULIA DAMN SHE KILLED HERRR
if Julia Fox shamed you for dating the wrong person, you could shame her for dating Kanye West. but she criticized you for using b***** and you criticized her for dating Kanye West? Hmmm for me it is irrelevant and giving me the censorship energy. (yes censorship is political too) I agree there are a lot of things to be criticized about Julia Fox, but this is just a very pointless case, a typically stupid tiktok drama, no constructive discussion, only attacking each other.
I think there is a discussion needing to be had around why so many women have had to be affiliated sexually/romantically with a man of status in order to get a public platform in this society.
When you are a woman who gets the opportunity to move around and build things in your life without that affiliation with a man, there can be a lot of suspicion and judgement thrown your way, which sets progress back.
We love to complain about women who profit and advance in society by dating famous problematic men. A truth we seem to be avoiding, is that we're also not doing right by the women in this society who build themselves and their life up without that dependence on such men. And if you've had the opportunity to do that, you know it's a tough path considering how our society is rigged.
i'm flabbergasted.
Facts were spoken
These takedowns are like debates without a counter lol
I need to gone and join and tiktok and Twitter cause I be lost in the sauce.
the whole bela/julia thing had me so annoyed
Really great discussion. I would go over the parts where you mention Bella again bc a level of discomfort with her gender was definitely coming through. Something to note for next time
I agree, I’m glad you’re speaking on this. I find her cringe