Real 737 Captain Review | PMDG 737 Universal Flight Tablet | First Look and Impression
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- A first look and impression of the very delayed yet anticipated PMDG 737 Universal Flight Tablet.
Introduction 0:00
PMDG 737 Universal Flight Tablet | Electronic Flight Bag 0:55
PMDG 737 UFT | Take Off Performance 3:50
PMDG 737 UFT | Landing Dispatch Performance 8:07
PMDG 737 UFT | Landing En-Route Performance 13:45
PMDG 737 UFT | Conclusion 16:07
ANY GUIDANCE IN THIS VIDEO IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REAL WORLD FLIGHT TRAINING
I’m a 737 Captain for a European airline and like with all my tutorials and streams, all content on this channel is for Flight Simulation on your PC only. This video is NOT for professional guidance or instruction but to provide an insight to my thoughts on this product. Any comments/view expressed are mine only.
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Finally an unbiased view.
Yes I think so too.
Agree!
Agree
totally!
Man be reading thoughts
This is why your one of the best flight instructors and tutors for the Boeing 737. Basically an expert with Professional speech / terminology. Full of good knowledge with dry British humour and accent.
Very kind Andrew, thank you! 😊
FD2S
So cool when you do these tutorials and compare them to the real thing!
Lets hope the developers continue to make it as close to the real thing as possible in the sim.
I love two things of the PMDG tablet:
1-The size makes it very nice to use and read from the virtual cockpit. First time I'm truly comfortable checking charts on a FS2020 EFB.
2-The navigraph integration is extremely fast and causes zero performance impact. In others working with the map or the charts, or even the OFP feels laggy.
Other than that... they do have plenty of things to fix, a lot of quality of life changes would be great as well (i.e. clikspot to enable disable, button to turn screen off...) and I really miss some of the functions that you have on other addons (mainly controlling the aircraft status and load/fuel directly, as I don't like doing that on the FMC)
Great review by the way, comparing the values with the real app. Fair and to the point. No internet drama :)
Agreed, the EFB is clean and works very well 👍🏼
I had a play around with the performance tool and there are some discrepancies but overall it’s not bad. I think it’s only using runway length as a factor and not potential obstacles on departure which is a factor when calculated the maximum take off weight. For the average sim user no problem at all, would 100% not want to use it in real life if there was terrain/obstacles!
Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video :-)
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim Indeed they mentioned in the forums that they had some limitations in the runway data and were looking at ways to improve it, if possible with Navigraph information. Same as the intersections.
Finally a proper honest review on this. Another content creator managed to piss off a lot of people with his biased presentation and review of EFB
I agree. Another RL 737 pilot on a German speaking stream was quite disappointed with respect to lack of accuracy, deficiencies and bugs that might encourage negative training. It's interesting to see how various RL drivers approach this product.
First dibs on the comments! Thanks for the content FD2S!
Thanks! I downloaded the update and had a brief poke around. I had similar sentiments to you regarding the limited use of the UFT, having to continue to use the FMC for some things.
Oh well. At least it’s something…..finally. 😂
Great review, thanks 👍
Great video. I'm sure PMDG will address the inaccuracies of the performance tool in the very near future.
this guy is absolutely a legend
Thanks, great review. I watched 737 Driver talking about it. He was saying that it doesn't handle displaced thresholds correctly and that this is coming in a future update. Also only wet and dry runways are simulated properly in msfs so maybe they didn't bother focusing on the other options much.
Oh and pmdg have said that the options and fuel/ loading is coming later, although they'll probably leave it on the fmc as well in case some users don't want the tablet.
@@weswheel4834 after all this time in development they still haven't been able to move the fuel options to the tablet ? IMO PMDG are no longer the best of the best they used to be. Their aircraft in MSFS don't fly realistically in many ways, pointed out by real pilots. They blame it on MSFS and I say look at what A2A did with their Comanche. The sounds are still meh and lack that beautiful base that the Zibo 737 has. Their 737s look good enough but again, there are quite a few more photorealistic airliners out there. And this whole EFB saga confirms PMDG are stuck in the past.
@@davidtsw I think fd2sim thinks their aircraft fly much better in msfs than they did in fsx, but yeah there’s something to what you say. Also I get the impression that fd2sim is a better tester than some of the testers that PMDG use on their products.
Its a GIANT looking ipad :)
I too like it while seeing the opportunities for improvement. Clearly the contamination and other landing variables should be addressed for accuracy, but devils' advocate - I bet the sim models zero braking degradation between the surface types anyway so "acksherly" the numbers in the UFT are probable accurate *IN THIS SIM* 🙂
Great video though - as someone else mentioned, the gold in these is the insights provided to RW ops - more please.
Great video, very informative! How did you set up your mouse to scroll in the UFT when viewing the OFP?
Good to see those NAVBLUE charts ;)
As a self-certified professional flight simulation rated sim pilot, this looks cool! I think this is a great start to the tablet! Looking forward to what 3rd party developers are able to implement down the line.
Lmfao, I saw your comment on 737ng drivers channel
In regards to the fuel/payload argument, the response, "it's not an option in the efb, either," I think is a response to opinions expressed that those options being in the fmc and not efb is inherently wrong. In reality it's more of personal preference in workflows. It could be that I am just used to it, but I actually find it easier for me to navigate fuel/payload/doors/ground serv in the fmc. For some odd reason I find that trying to move around more intricate gui's in other sim aircraft takes more time. Edit: PMDG did state that it will eventually put those options in the efb, so that would be a welcome addition.
Hi Captain. Just wondered if you’ve ever tried the Virtual Performance Tool and if so what your thoughts are compared with the real OPT?
The ground ops really needs to be in EFB, this is just the limitation of desktop simulation. You cant just grab the inercome and call someone to do it like in real life.
Agree 110% move the loading and ground ops to the EFB soon as possible!
@flightdeck2sim Thanks for your initial thoughts. Be aware PMDG recommend the 'Weather Source' option to be 'SIM' and not 'REAL-WORLD'.
If not there can be inconsistent weather data, 'SIM' allows them to match.
Thanks for the feedback, was that broken on launch and is that just the entry in the tablet? I did manually input the weather and the results were the same and matched the weather source.
FD2S
@@flightdeck2sim It's more about FS2020: If FS syncs the data correctly, then they should be the same. I guess the recommendation is just because sometimes the weather updates are not correct in MSFS.
@@Manuel-9- understood! Thank you!
@@flightdeck2sim Who knows buddy, there are many things which need fixing with the tablet as it stands in this version 1 release.
As to this specific one, 'SIM' is what we should use according to PMDG, at least for now.
From what they are saying they are changing the manual for the tablet almost constantly right now, which should be released soon.
Apparently they have also already fixed some bugs like zooming of maps causing CTD's, and are looking into why Google maps is not working properly and so on.
Be interesting to retest it when they push the update and see what has changed.
As to the 'PMDG SETUP, and 'FS ACTIONS' being on the tablet, that has been already scheduled to be done. PMDG are saying that because of the delays (and feedback of course) they did not want to wait any longer to release it, and it has the most commonly used functions for now.
Hope the new position is going well for you, and looking out the window you are keeping dry! 😊
Do you think you can show how to input the data into the fmc too?
Does MSFS simulate contaminated runways though? Perhaps the sim models them all the same (wet) and the performance calculator acts accordingly.
Bonus for those that don't know, once you have downloaded the simbrief flight plan to the EFB, you can uplink it to the FMS via the Company Route LSK in the standard format e.g EGLLEHAM, LPFREGNM
I would like this feature in real life 🥲
FD2S
Great show any loss in frame rate when this tablet is activated
I saw one reviewer get pretty strange results with landing calculations when using the different failure modes. Did you get a chance to look at those?
Hi, I have problem that when i started sim and a few min after load b737 pmdg all knob and panel is freez.but when disable efb from fmc this problem is slove.
What set up i.e pc spec do you have?
like thiss
Still watched the video tho, cant go wrong with FD2S Content! (This is "part 2" to my comment in the community post)
I fly 100% in VR so UFT is a no-go for me because it doesn't have any PDF viewer (I need this for checklists, QRH, etc.). Would be also great to have some kind of Vatsim active ATC frequencies list to check which station is online. I personally prefer All In One Tablet because this one integrates PDF viewer, full Navigraph viewer (PMDG's one is very basic), VSR Radio and the developer is going to integrate Virtual Performance Tool as well. Opening windows in VR just kills immersion so that's why it's really great to have some useful apps built-in the tablet. However waiting for PMDG making UFT better and better, but this will take some time.
There is a PDF viewer icon in the aircraft folder so suggests will come soon
+1 Ground services. Checklists?
From Faro to Leeds-Bradford eh? Picked that route at random? I assume it had nothing to do with a recent runway excursion then?
I had no idea the flight originated from Faro but aware of the excursion (who isn't!). I was going to Faro to Stansted but changed to Leeds to get the lower dispatch landing weights, I'm also familiar with the airport having operated from there several times before so know what figures I'm looking for! (it's pretty limiting!)
FD2S
Hi Sir : I have a question : during the departure we have to set up the BARO on the primary FD: this setting how it has to be done ? I guess is a value for the accelaration in case of engine ?? but the NADP 1 showing this value in ft; please can y explain it or if you have a video tutorial y have done ? Tks.
What you set as baro minimum before departure is the "MFRA" or Minimum Flap-Retraction Altitude (in case of an engine failure). This denotes the earliest point in climb where you can lower the nose to pick up airspeed - and then retract the flaps - when you have lost an engine on deparure. This is to ensure sufficient ground clearance before you start acceleration and further climb at a much impaired climb rate. For an airport / SID unchallenged by surrounding terrain this is normally set to 1000ft AGL. At airports with a climb rate demand because of obstacles or terrain on the SID, this might well be much higher.
It has nothing to do with the Noise Abatement Departure Procedures (NADP). The required NADP profile for the airport is set in the FMC take-off page 2.
@@planely1263 Tks for your reply .. as y said '' For an airport / SID unchallenged by surrounding terrain this is normally set to 1000ft AGL '' how I can set the correct baro ?
@@and696 IRL, the OPT will give you the required MFRA - although I am not sure at the moment if the PMDG performance tool actually does that, or how correctly* (..don't have my sim fired up atm 😅). If it doesn't, have a look at the charts and see what is the MSA on your departure sector, or on a straight climb-out. And also look if there is maybe an 'Engine-Out SID' with different requirements than your normal departure route or straight climb-out. This should be part of your departure briefing anyway 😇🤣
*EDIT: Apparantly, the PMDG OPT does not give you the MFRA. So you have to rely on the charts and simply set Airport Elevation + 1000ft, or the Minimum Safe Altitude on your departure sector (+ X ?... Not a real pilot here 😅)
You should try the Celthyan Flight Model mod for the pmdg 738, it makes it feel heavy and makes taxiing feel 2x better, you should try it and give us ur opinion on it
A third party flight model on top of another third party flight model…dang dude.
Goes to show how good the flight sim is at flight sim.
Just had a quick look and maybe I overlooked where to get that mod these days but the information I found suggested that PMDG didn't like having people sharing mods and forced the sites hosting the mods to get rid of them.
Interesting. Can't find anything about this flight model. Did they take it down or?
I dont think sims simulate wet or iced runways hyence why they dont change. Landed at jackson hole During IFR conditions and snow and stopped fairly easily
I find it keeps dumping navigraph and need to get new codes regularly
I guess the question is: Are the differences between PMDG's UFT and your real life OPT because PMDG haven't implemented those feature fully or correctly, or because there really is no difference in the sim? Maybe you don't get a change in landing performance when changing the runway condition because it doesn't actually make a difference in the sim. If this is the case, it would have been nice if PMDG chose realism over convenience. But, then again, from day one it has seemed to me that while very realistic, the FS2020 737 is aimed more at casual flyers and not at hardcore simmers, like their P3D lineup.
I’m not sure what they’re doing at PMDG. Their older 737 used to be a nice add-on. This MSFS2020 version looks very nice and has excellent sounds, but the LNAV is terrible, beyond words, and the tablet is a bit of a joke. I don’t think the flight dynamics are very good either. It’s way too sensitive and responsive. The Black Square Caravan is actually heavier in control input. The -800 variant is slightly better, but the -700 is super lightweight in handling. Throw in that twitchy terrible LNAV and it’s not very fun using this plane. When I’m in the Fenix it feels like a real plane. Graceful turns and a rather good heavier feel. I get crashes with the PMDG tablet too. Not related to the Google maps, but clicking around. It’s become a rather disappointing product. Worse of all is that PMDG doesn’t seem very committed to fixing the bugs they’re introducing in their updates.
@@Fcreceptor I think PMDG recognized who makes up a big portion of FS2020's user base, and they're just catering to them. This has been obvious to me from day one, when I saw that the 737 doesn't come with the same flight manuals as the P3D version
@@CristiNeagu they say it’s a licensing issue and that Boeing won’t allow them to be sold with the product. You can find a lot of Boeing manuals online. I really think a lot of it is the desire to put their products on Xbox after using a lot of ported code from previous versions. They were forced to tweak so many things to work on Xbox that is kinda ruined their base code. Their 747 was always a bit buggy in FS9 and FSX, and they never fixed it. It would CTD and had little issues they just ignored. They really aren’t committed like so many other developers who continue to update their products. I hope they fix the LNAV and tablet to a workable order but I won’t be buying anything else from them.
@@FcreceptorAnd yet they did ship those manuals with the P3D version...
This makes me think about a theory I heard. The theory goes like this:
Microsoft held full rights to FSX. Then Lockheed Martin came along and wanted to make their own sim, based on FSX technology. So they bought the license from Microsoft, but not for full use. I think Microsoft kept the rights to the entertainment aspect, while LM got the rights for commercial simulation. This explains why LM does not technically allow home licences for P3D, and why Microsoft have never really pushed the "you can use FS2020 to train real life skills" aspect of the sim. It also explains why Boeing and/or PMDG didn't ship those manuals: it would be way too much of an educational sim.
@@CristiNeagu it’s possible sure. It’s a shame cause the product is 90% perfect but that 10% in this case accounts for a lot.
They should probably make a note (INOP?) of the runway conditions being meaningless. Unless it's just a bug that is being fixed...
Their little manual said it could be done, so I suspect it’s a bug whether they call it that or not 😂
just like the old videos.
Would be good if they implemented the bag pieces and weights like the real EFB where you can input the bags in which Hold they are and the Adults Children Infrants and SNY boxes
Happy runway excursion landings in the pmdg 737.
Hahaha, well with MSFS not modelling contaminated runway ops (as far as I know) everyone should be fine!
FD2S
this was meant to be better than EVERY "tablet" im VERY underwhelmed pmdg are a joke
I'm not impressed with the EFB at all. In fact FBW was FREE and was ready when 320x was launched!
I've waited a year for this and I assumed pmdg would launch a fantastic EFB. Nope
Zero ground services. Zero equipment interface.. Doors for example. I've decided to focus on learning more about the FBW 320. Although the 380 IS also taking forever to launch.. But it is free! 🎉😂😂
Sorry, but his long awaited event is a big yawner for me. I already have all this on an IPAD which is larger and much easier to manipulate than an EFB in a virtual cockpit.
But they are using real Boeing data!!,111!!!!!
So it brings nothing to t/e table topcat could not do until now. Will be interesting what excuses the circle jerk in their forums comes up with once they see this video.
TOPCAT doesn’t have the heavier versions of the -700, or the -600 or -900/900ER. So even if not perfect, it’s nice to have something.