When Ghost in the Shell meets Air Combat
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ต.ค. 2023
- On today's video, we're kicking it all the way back to 1999 with the Playstation 1 release: Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere. Specifically, we're looking at the Japanese version of the game with the Loadworld Team's English patch applied, in order to get the full experience offered by this ambitious title.
This is my first time ever playing through the game.
How does it hold up? Does the gameplay and story feel dated, or does it stand the test of time, 24 years later?
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As much as 3 was ambitious, I can see why it failed in Japan. Imagine going from an arcady top gun flight game straight to some dystopia nightmare future plane game because Evangelion and Ghost in the Shell were the hot new things in Japanese media.
I hope that with a different age now, Project Aces can salvage AC3's plot by building up towards it in AC8. It doesn't need to bring weird futuristic planes to it, it just needs to give more focus to Simon and the General Resources and Neucom.
@@victuz Project Aces will butcher the plot of Ace Combat 3. They already did when they rewrote many events to fit their "it's all Belka's fault" narrative. Mark my words: in Ace Combat 8 General Resource will turn out to be evolved GRunder Industries and the story is going to be about how it was Belka's plan for world domination all along. Oh, and Sublimation project will of course be started with the goal of preserving the skills of Mobeus 1.
@@vantuz8264 I have only played AC3 so I wonder, is every AC game after 3 just "Belka being Belka"?
@@Zhawn7 Pretty much yes. Even if Belkans are not directly involved in the conflict or causing it through subterfuge they're always the scientists behind the most advanced technology.
@@vantuz8264 Were there any exceptions in the series that didn't involve Belka in its entirety?
When you consider simon’s origins and experiences… it goes to show what the indirect successor to the ZOE program really is.. terrifying
I love the detail when you about to literally erase Dision out of his simulated existence, his voice begins to glitch as you go through his source program and erasing him.
1 was a solid start, and 2 improved on pretty much everything, but AC3E was a veritable quantum leap for the series.
I played the PS2 trilogy, as well as 7. After playing the Project Nemo translation of AC3, I was blown away by the story and the general atmosphere. Great video on one of my favorite Ace Combat titles.
This games definitely needs a remake! Its so dope and sucks we didnt get the full game and instead a stripped down watered down embarrassment.
Namco then thought that the multi-disc, multi-ending original release were "too complicated" to import, and that the international scene weren't interested in the anime style.
Some of them rings true to the casual new fans to this day.
Also AC8 needs to start building up towards the events of AC3. It doesn't need to be equal to AC3, it just needs to show Neucom and General Resource rise to power, possibly with Yoko or Simon on it.
Imagine a Remake of AC3 bro damn, am already quite happy with the AC7 mods
@@victuz Prototypes and predecessors to the R series planes
I wouldn’t mind a Remake with a Retcon made so that AC3 (canonically being a simulation) was a Belkan experiment to further develop the ZOE program. Especially after 7 was all about Drones and AI.
I just want to say that the Japanese cover art for this game absolutely slaps.
It's not delivery, it's Dision
Good vid man
Thank you!
This is a better Ace Combat analysis video than most. Not to mention covering Ace Combat 3 more than just the Japanese multi-ending story. Thank you.
Here's hoping ILCA is visionary enough to make Ace Combat 8 as revolutionary as the Japanese version of this game, or at least as fun as Ace Combat 6.
Appreciate the feedback. I'm new to the analysis game, so it means a lot!
With the tech that exists today, and seeing what was available way back then, I have no doubt that something truly revolutionary could be made, the question is if they'll actually do it.
Fingers crossed.
@@JarboeGaming one thing most Ace Combat analysis videos don't cover is the gameplay. Since you can spot the different physics modelling in this game, mentioning it on other AC games with different models (like AC6's) would make some very good videos. Of course, mentioning the prominent & unspoken gameplay features of each games as well.
Keep it up. You got several subs from this & I can see further more. 👍
And here it is, the missing epic, the lost masterpiece... the one that the rest of the world got a _disgraceful mockery of_ instead of an export. Few things have made me more sad in the history of the videogame industry than learning I might never get a chance to properly play the end of the timeline for Strangereal. (Also, the truth about Nemo and the events of the game is the single most frightening reveal possible if you see the trends in IRL combat flight platforms.) A true high concept sci-fi story.
I really want a sequel (in terms of an Ace Combat game set not long after this one) where the corporate war starts, and the ominous force of destruction that keeps swinging things mysteriously is Nemo. Setting up the player character as one of those outliers not predicted and watching as the plan for Nemo derails and Nemo reacts. A worthy opponent that isn't Dision? Surely Nemo would have to respond, even if the mission is complete. Nemo fly's and fights, that is it's existence. Plus it would make for a great final boss to have a confrontation with a previous player character that is canonical to Strangereal's timeline.
ACE COMBAT VIDEO ESSAY LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
Ace Combat 3 was waaaay ahead of its time. I hope Ace Combat 8 does a good job of tying 3 to the overall story of Strangereal, because as it stands with 7, there are hints and references to 3's timeline. It would be absolutely crazy if we end up fighting against Nemo in a future mainline Ace Combat game.
Honestly makes little sense as to why they would jump from Ace1&2 which are kinda the same, To something radically different and Nothing to do with previous games !?
Well Except for The Fictional World.
I haven’t played 3 yet anyway Either Versions;
But Knowing that 3 Started the Detailed Flight Physics Has me Rooting for it !
Oh yeah and the fact that It’s Supposedly set In Far Future being the Latest Lore Wise (basically end of Ace Combat Lore/Nothing beyond it)
To Going Backwards Or Reseting Even Rebooting the So called Story with Ace04 which is Just Ace2 but WAY more fancy ?
it kills me the US release is so gutted I hope one day a remaster is done for us restoreing the game to its natural state
Dision truly was an absolute sad man, he got cheated on by his own partner in front of himself by himself and then imediatelly saw her die and then went on to get purged in the future at a high probability rate if Simon's algorithms were correct. Can't say that he didn't deserve it though, that's what he gets for manipulating Rena on all timelines and all of the atrocities due to his sublimation plot.
I Wonder if we'll ever see another AC game with this cyberpunk setting again though, we got somewhat close with the AI plot of AC7 but the game still felt very modern and aside from some of the drone designs and space elevator, most of the game felt very present day in its presentation.
EDIT: The OST is also goated, it's my favorite out of all of the games.
No he didn't get cheated. You need to understand that there are 2 Disions at that point. One is the real human Dision, another is AI Dision created through sublimation. When AI Dision was born it saw human Dision making love with Yoko. At that time his mind could not comprehend this, because in its perspective, it thought it was the real Dision. And not long afte that, it saw Human Dision and Yoko got killed
This was my first Ace Combat game, I remember seeing it at a local shop, it was in Japanese but as soon as I saw the intro cinematic I bought it right away, couldn't understand a thing but I had a great time, would be cool to play it again with the patch
Ac3 (but the american version) was my 1st Ace Combat game too.
Easily my favorite game of the franchise, speaking as someone who started with 04 just as you said. I like how you mentioned the flight model specifically, and I think you can really see it in play during the post-mission replays. The way that the planes gracefully drift about through the sky was absolutely enamoring, and I was shocked to find out people didn't enjoy how it handled. Honestly I wish the latter games had a similar model.
Also something of note, the animated cutscenes were all done by Production I.G. Largely, by the same team that did the legendary Ghost in the Shell film. Very fitting for the subject matter.
I had read that about the animators and yes, it's 100% fitting!
If Ace Combat 2 hadn't been the strongest drug ever made, Nostalgia, I would've picked this game as the best game in the series.
and i played all AC games in half a year, before the release of 7, and after that 6's pre-order.
and still 3 comes on top for me, because of "Ambition".
edit: i feel like the game would lose it's atmosphere if it was remade in a more realistic style.
taking a realistic design style, is a style, and it's biggest flaw is that it has no style, and waters down any atmosphere that is related to games and tries to compensate it by making it look like a movie, it is a poison that comes from the movie industry, because no real effort was made to evaluate video games as a medium.
"making a game realistic" has been mistakenly seen as something that every game company must achieve, but i think it's undervalues video games and shows how much people are insecure about calling video games more than child's play.
style doesn't make a game more mature, even if games don't look mature, they could be, but dummies can't muster enough pride and courage to say it.
I want Ace Combat 3 to be remade in this PS1 older graphics but actually go all the way with it.
Mans putting out videos like this and only has like less than 1k subs
Share his content spread the word.
Okay, first we got a video of 4, and now 3?
Okay, you’re getting a sub.
AC3 at the end you found out you are just a program AI ,,Nemo,,
In the end you were the fake and digital one in that reality
@@elrinconcuriosodesally3528 In the end you were released into the real world.
Very nice video! One thing I don't understand with the story is how would Dision and Nemo interact with their squad mates? I mean everybody assume they are both humans. (since the shock of the revelation of Dision being sublimated) They both have no physical bodies since Dision was already sublimated and Nemo is an AI. A lot of communications between the characters happen remotly so I can understand that they can have a fake avatar. But Keith hinted that pilots still had some interactions between each others. I think at some point, if you save Keith's life, he says something like "we should drink a beer together". And Dision being his best buddy, I bet they'd met each other often. Or maybe it didn't happen since the attack where Yoko died?
Maybe it's a little plot hole or maybe I'm missing something, what do you think?
Anyway, I like the overall plot, even though the motivations of Simon are a bit silly in the end.
I'd LOVE to see an upscaled version of all these gorgeous cinematics.
There are a couple of interactions where other characters are talking to you and say things like "Oh, still not there?" But yeah I agree. I would think this would become apparent at some point to your fellow squadmates.
Playeyd International release in my childhood (6-8 y/o). Was a good memory.
Replayed it 15 years after (i was 21-23... mb 25 even), but Japanese relise ...
... It's so f|_|ck!n9 awesome ... best game in series, it's crime it doesn't have remake.
P.S. 1999, arcade flying sim, 5 endings + 1 real, none-linear plot, factions, some good physics, PS1 ... AC 7 should be ashamed
It's really an amazing game, that I never had the chance to play, but still I'm glad people are talking about it
Great video, I really hope you blow up man. Also man, poor Dision. That story is rough.
Appreciate it! There's more coming down the pipe, so stay tuned.
Oh wow, so Dision is basically Klaus Schwab and Ouroboros is the World Economic Forum.
Gotcha.
it seems like armored core with planes
Must be because of graphics and the new sci-fi planes.
I really like Ace Combat 3 and it left a impact on me early on, played the JP release first; while I don't think its the best in the series, it does a lot right. Something that stands out to me is that it's the only *“Kitai” game I know of that incorporates elements of psychological horror. The whole fight with Dision in the electrosphere and the scene where he gets sublimed is honestly pretty creepy stuff. As for its quality since you didn't expect it, it’s somewhat typical of PS1 games from the pre-Y2K and Y2K era - they’re just good.
Will you do a video on Ace Combat 2? It’s not as great as Electrosphere, but there’s something magical about it. The soundtrack and simplicity of the missions make it one of the most fun Ace Combat games, despite its age. It’s not as great as Zero or 3, but it’s purely fun. and it aboslutely left a impact in the series as the modern Ace Combat forumula came from this game and clones from the PS2 era directly copy Ace Combat 2’s formula down to the “Break Now” intro sequence as opposed to taking from the better ace combat games.
On another note, a game series you should look into is Armored Core. If you haven’t tried it, you should. Ace Combat and Armored Core share a lot of mutual inspiration and even some of the same concept artists. like really, to me, Armored Core is like the Ace Combat of mechs. The controls on earlier games are a bit clunky, but they all support analog on buttons via emulator, which I think is the best way to play them. If you haven't touched that series at all you should. Master of Arena on the PS1 is a good one to start with. I also bring this up because there are huge similarities between the series' overall aesthetic and tone when compared to Ace Combat 3.
*Also to clarify what I mean by “Kitai” (機体), it’s a Japanese term for media involving fighter Jets or Mecha as the centerpiece. It translates to “Airframe”. It's a bit fustrating they're treated more as split genres in the west when both are related, ig it has to do with the western perception that a Mecha is more of a MBT rather than that a walking Fighter plane.
Eventually all AC games will be covered, it's just a matter of time really.
Appreciate the response, I'd never heard that term before, so thank you!
As far as Armored Core goes, I played a couple of them way back in the day and plan on covering them, as well as the latest title as well. Old Gundam games are also some of my favorites.
They will all be getting covered in future videos!
@@JarboeGamingspeaking of Mecha games, Evangelion also has some games that could be fun
I never played ace combat games outside of 7 and assault horizon (which I don’t think might have been the best introduction to the series) but after 7 I really wanted to know more about the series and so far your videos have been the best about this, also wish you would do a video about ace combat zero
That will be the next Ace Combat I cover!
@@JarboeGaming great, your videos have great production value and I’m looking forward to it
Why you gotta rub it in that I was playing spyro nearly 30 years ago? LOL
😂😂 It makes me feel old too
I was a small kid when I played international version and thought that the story doesn't end up, but the universe was fascinating. English wasn't my mother tongue and I barely knew it, so I went to a local gaming club and asked if there's a sequel to the Ace Combat 3. The club owner actually pulled from under the table the Japanese release and said that here's the full game but it's in Japanese so nobody needs it and he gifted the game to me.
So I kinda combined the bare bones knowledge of the characters and factions from international release and the events from the Japanese release and played the game for dozens of hours completing all endings. Still barely understood what's going on but had tremendous amount of fun.
Just found your channel and I love the Ace Combat vids! I hope you make one for Zero it'smy personal favorite!
It will be coming, don't worry!
The funny story that im complete game on my phone with shit controls you cant imagine. Im being completely immersed into story, i cant stress enough how we need remaster for this! Great review. As always. And im notice something! The more surreal/unhinged story can get in computer gamer, the more you can forgive some silly tropes. Works with mgs. Works here with stupid simp trope.
It's needs a remake actually, since a remaster is only upscaling and revamping an old game. We actually needs AC6 Fires of Liberation to be remastered and ported to PC and PS5.
One of my first PS1 games when I was a kid. I had the international version and I was like 8 so I had no idea what was going on. I would love to see a remake. They aren't known for doing that though. However, the story of 7 kind of hinted that it's getting close to this time.
ACEd this video, love your stuff!
I see what you did there 🛩
my first experience with the game was the demo, i fell in love imidiatlly. imagin my dismay at getting the full game and realizing the story was gotted. when i finally played the full translated version i was on cloud nine
Yeah the versions really don't compare, it's a damn shame
I had the pleasure to play both versions (there is even a third version, european, wich showed some story through text) and one of the main differences I've found from version to version was the difficulty, hard in the us version was compared to normal in the japanese version, another interesting thing that the game shows and I think it is important to say about the story is that all crafts are controlled by mind (the image on 15:40 is not just for the night raven) and even in one of the missions you are facing an virus wich every time you pass on it's influence zone you starts to black out and receive damaged due to virus hacking into you
and to think Jaeger had his son voiced by Kira Yamato in this game is just bizzaro
This was my first ace combat and i love it till today
About the game Iplayed the international version as a kid some 20 years ago, and only discovered the truth recently. I had the chance to play the translated version on my anbernic RG35XX a few month ago. What a amazing game!! The fiona enfing broke my heart. A amazing fusion of ace combat and ghost in the shell! I was was blown away. One of the best ac, even more ambitious and deeper the holy Trinity! Trully deserve it's place in the pantheon of best ps1 games.
I love this game's visuals, audio design, story, setting. Absolutely everything.
Without a doubt and objectively speaking the BEST Ace Combat to this day, so much ahead if his time, so much risky things even for tha company/developer/players, the story, branching, that mindblowing plot twist, etc.
If someday this game get a Remake in the future, Hope not only maintain ALL of Ace Combat 3, but also EXPAND IT more than twice and toan ever mind blowing more bestial.
Good video. In retrospect, I wish I had played the Project Nemo translation instead as it is so much more flavourful. I've been watching a few videos and I played the Load Word Team's translation which is the one used in this video. I feel the writing was really poor and every character ended up sounding the same. It was also a little harder to follow as a result, though it is definitely not straightforward to untangle this game's story as it is. Leaving this comment here for future AC3 players.
I'll have to check out the Project Nemo translation!
I found the Load Word Teams translation better in every way. Project Nemo’s Translation felt in incomplete at times.
@@motorsporttj1689 it literally was, they could not find a programmatic way of translating the encyclopedia. I just think it was better-written, the content is the same but it sounds much less stilted in Project Nemo's translation.
The answer is simple, Story and Anime scene by Oshii Mamoru with Production i.G.
This was my first foray into Ace Combat and I never knew we got such a dumbed down version in the west. I'm going to have to check out this translation. I loved this game so much growing up, it's wild that the 'real' game was even better all along!
Ace Combat 3 broke me when i played it, especially the Electrosphere ending
it got me stuck in a trance where i kept putting my actions into question yet my fingers were moving on their own to shoot down Dision
i know, it sounds stupid, but my mind and my body got separated at that moment . . . even though i was questioning the mission, my body became mindless wings that only fly for destruction, like Rena and her Night Raven
no other game has EVER made me feel this way
my first Ace Combat was X on the PSP, so it's got a special place in my heart
but 3? it's on a whole other level, it's own plane of existence even
the feelings i have for this game are near impossible to describe to be honest, but one thing is for sure; Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere is the game that affected me the most on the emotional level, a true game to be remembered
lots of people in the ACE community wants remakes of the 3 PS2 games, considered the "Golden Age" of Ace Combat
instead i believe Ace Combat 3 would make for the best remake, maybe even a sequel in a few years, when AC3 will be well forgotten, like Simon said "forget everything you saw here", i want to see Nemo out there
I played a Ps1 demo disk that came bundled with the Ps1 and had 1 misson of Ace combat 3 the international version.. played it hundreds of time , but in my country the game never released , having said that the itch to experience a full ace combat game never left me and when finally Ace Combat 4 released and was available in my country I bought it , and have been an ace combat fan since then.
I just finished this game on last Sunday.
It was the international version, but i still got hooked by the gameplay, graphics, music.
Kinda silly way to get into a series but i am ready to play more Ace Combat games.
Definitely check out the Playstation 2 titles next.
I'd recommend to play them in release order, so 4, 5, then Zero. Incredible games!
@@JarboeGaming
I've had my eyes on the ps2 trilogy.
Though i want to play Ace Combat 2 because i like the ps1 graphics x'D
I actually found out that i have Ace Combat 5 in my collection. I just didn't knew the ps2 trilogy on PAL region had different names.
Ace Combat 3 was my first ace combat
I love how in AC3 there is inertia! you can do high AoA flying and it feels way more satisfiying than in AC7 that feels like the plane is on rails... To be honest since i play War THunder i cant do with unrealistic physics, breaks my immersion lol
Man, a game from 1994 holds up better than games that were made just last year.
That said, despite the different tone and all, I’d say Ace Combat 3 is pretty dope to this day, just as long as you get the original version and patch it with the fan translation, instead of that watered down, 2 dollars worth, western release.
(Also, Electrosphere is such a cool title)
I played both releases. First, the incomplete JP version from pirated 'flight sim game compilation' disk, then the international.
I felt the international release was a giga downgrade from JP because they cut down too many things.
Then I found the JP ISO over the internet. It was a pleasure.
No other entry in the Ace Combat series can even compete with the depth of the story and characters in Ace Combat 3. Just the conflict between Rena and Erich on the topic of "what would you do to keep the wings" feels more significant than many main storylines. That's why it irritates me to no end when people unironically say that "Mobeus 1 is the best character in the series."
My intro was 3
Just last year I ran the Japanese version with the patch
so this is the game that what made nier the way it is how interesting
so I played the International release having NO idea that there was a Japanese version that was completely different and frankly I am SUPER annoyed that there was a so much cooler version of this game out there.
While I still enjoyed my time with 3. (specially the cool sci fi ships) I have to admit the story never gripped me and I enjoyed AC2 so much more in that regard.
Will say though it was interesting to see the parallels between the international and the Japanese version. and how DIFFERENT the context and story was.
"Does a 1999 Ace Combat game still Hold Up?"
Yes, Japanese version. Namco unfortunately butchered everything that make Electrosphere beautiful in international release.
Also here's a list i have on why Electrosphere hold up.
1.The only Ace Combat that ever goes to space
2.The only Ace Combat that have 52 missions and 5 endings
3.Anime cutscenes, FMV's
4.Chance to defect, choose your own fate thingy.
5.Airborne Carrier boys, our own airborne carrier.. UI-4053 Sphyrna
6.Well, shocking ending i guess. Finish all 5 routes and well you'll have Simon informed you that we're not real.
7.Database feature, strong world building
8.Most amount of female pilots (Fiona, Rena, Cynthia)
9.Complex Villain (Dision, Park, Nascimento) or almost no true Villain...except maybe Park
10. O.S.L Get A in all 52 missions and you'll get access to OLS.. all you need to do Is lock on target and it's gone. No maneuver, No Nonsense.
11. Unusual method to get X-49.. where you need a special CD which contain data named "DeadCopy" which will unlock X-49 for you. Tho.. it wont unlock OSL.
That's my list of baddassery in the Ac3.. which so far not seen in later releases.
100% agree!
I can't recommend you try out AC2 enough, because it really feels like a predecessor to the ps2 games down to control, level design, enemy ai and all. I really love 3 but at points it feels it little bit more style over substance, like the game looks and sounds better than how the actual gameplay is.
My coverage of 7 will be up soon, than I plan on going back and playing 1, 2, and some of the other titles.
I've seen a little of 2 and I was very impressed with what I saw, looks fantastic.
The wii game was the best
This game bugs me. Gameplay is fine i just dislike the narrative compared to the other games, and i wish it wasn't canon.
namco never bin able the replicated Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere game play
today games feels more like a call of duty
missions will fail for missing the smallest detail take ace combat 7 skies unknown as one
know namco are say the do not have the money and employees make game as good as Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere jp 52m
how something i enjoyed fall to pieces
1st ace combat 3 electrosphere ( jp demo
2nd ace combat 2
3rd ace combat 3
4 ace combat 4
5 ace combat 5
6 ace combat 6 zero belken war
7.. 5 years later ace combat 3 electrosphere ( jp 52m
8 the big mistake ace combat 7 assault horizon
9. ace combat 7 skies unknown,, hoping ace combat had recovered but it did not there is still to much of ace combat 7 assault horizon in ace combat 7 skies unknown
like i sed things fail to easy and be forced to do a retry
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of this type of reviews/commentary. Because you spend 70% of the video retelling the entire game story in a shorter version but still spoiling every big and emotional moments. Wich is useless for those who played it and a major spoiler for those who did not. And kind of lazy to, cause 70% of your work is just a resume of the game story. The true commentary and analysis is only 10 min maybe at maximum. I would rather listen to a deeper analysis of gameplay cool mission, the story and themes, you emotion etc etc. So i would advise for a deeper analysis or a shorter video.
Thank you for the honest feedback. I 100% agree with your points and conclusion.
As a matter of fact the AC6 video I have coming out is going to be much shorter and to the point, touching on the story, but not spoiling it.
@@JarboeGaming thank you for understanding my criticisism as a constructive one, Wich it was, really. I watched the next review without realizing it was the same channel 😂. Perfect BTW 👍 I subscribed immediately 😀. I wish the best for your channel. Can't wait for the next reviews 😀👍
@@nicolasillarnizzi Thanks! Glad to have you aboard, tons of stuff coming ❤️
@@JarboeGaming also I realize that calling "lazy" is harsh and not true, it must have taken a huge amont of time and efforts to write and record. So sorry. I think you'r time is better used now 😀 Gaming is an art forme and ad such it is all about the player feelings and emotions with gameplay, graphism, story, music, UI, menu, presentation etc.
I think a good a good game is able to keep that fact in mind and choose every element to convey the emotion it seeks to make the player feels. Btw the music is a key element
@@nicolasillarnizzi Appreciate the kind words! Music is definitely key, it's something that was missing fron a lot of my earlier content, but over the past couple of videos I think I've started to dial it in.
ESPECIALLY with AC7, that game's soundtrack was so good I felt it a sin to not show it off.
Nie lubię AC3. To antyteza Ace Combat. A ta seria to power fantasy o ludzkim pilocie w prawdziwym, licencjonowanym samolocie, nie o ai w latającym sf-śmieciu. Mam nadzieję że ta gra jest zdekanonizowana. Albo chociaż istnieje ostatnia ścieszka, prawdziwa wojna, gdy to prawdziwy człowiek w samolocie rozkwasza nemo na miazgę.