10 Reasons Why Metal Died in the 90's.
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- Today we're discussing the 10 reasons why metal died in the early nineties. Was it Grunge and Nirvana or the Sleaze rockers Guns N' Roses? Or maybe the Glam metal band Poison? In todays video we're discussing the 10 reasons why traditional heavy metal and thrash metal went away in the nineties. So if you're interested in eighties and nineties metal and wondered what happened, then this video is for you. Enjoy!
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Ten Reasons Why Metal Died in the 90's.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Hair Metal
1:40 Grunge
2:18 MTV (Headbanger's Ball)
3:21 The Labels
4:03 The Black Album (Metallica)
4:56 Metal Hammer & Kerrang!
6:17 Lineup Changes (Judas Priest & Iron Maiden)
7:11 Technological advances (CD sales & Digital productions)
8:39 Pantera
11:05 NU Metal
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Metal did not die in the 90's... people's taste in music did.
Yes, correct!
That's kind of subjective, Personaly I like most metal bands from black sabathe and slayer to Avenged seven fold and Machine head.
What does it even mean to say "rock is dead" or "metal died" ? That nobody listens to the genre anymore? Cause that's obviously false. I watched this video and nowhere did he even touch on Djent and industrial metal. Those are 2 of the most significant new genres within metal that emerged in the 90s and in my opinion show how metal obviously didn't die and went in totally unprecedented and exciting directions. Bands like KMFDM and Meshuggah deserve mention on this channel since it focuses on the metal genre at large. And if Ruthless Metal considers these genres to not be "true metal" then I would like to hear his supporting arguments for such a claim. Based on this video Ruthless Metal seems to put forward the notion that nothing released after the year 1989 can be considered "true metal" which is just nonsense.
@@elgatofelix8917 To me.. metal is metal.. regardless of subgenre. Not the biggest fan of industrial metal or djent compared to classic metal along the lines of Dio/Maiden/Priest/Sabbath and speed/thrash along the lines of the big 4.. but that does not make djent or industrial any less metal. I do like Meshuggah, however, so there is that lol. Also some of the newer bands like Gojira, Jinjer, etc.. which I do not believe are classified as anything specific other than 'extreme' at the current time. I could be wrong on that last bit, though LOL. I also enjoy a bit of symphonic metal along the lines of Devin Townsend.
Metal definitely survived past 1989 and grew. Even at 51 I am finding new bands even to this day to enjoy.
@@Lepetitagite3432 Slayer have always called themselves a Punk band. I 100 percent agree with slayer about that.
Extreme metal was the King during the 90's. No one cared about mainstream bands, but death and Black metal were a huge underground thing
Cannibal Corpse was featured in a blockbuster film in the early 90s and by the late 90s, extreme music was everywhere. I'd have to argue that this is just completely false.
@@TheTenCentStory Completely false? How?
@@donaldwestfall6143 You didn't read the comment? I gave my opinion.
death metal was the thing about 10 minutes before grunge came out
@@TheTenCentStory I'm from Chile and during the nineties the metal scene was huge and here nobody cared about the demise of american or traditonal metal. The first concert after dictatorship was Kreator in 1992, it was legendary, and after that every single concert was a sold out for every band that came, we didnt care if it was a dead traditional heavy metal band or a mainstream groove metal band.
Type 0 Negative, Danzig, Morbid Angel, Emperor, Carcass, Dissection, Suffocation, Pantera, Fear Factory, Satyricon, Strapping Young Lad, Paradise Lost, Blind Guardian, Samael... Those were the 90s: the peak of creativity in metal, rules were broken and new sounds were invented
that list is killer and thanks for mentioning Blind Guardian.
Strapping Young Lad is the gayest name ever.
This guy is a tool. Period.
This guy is sitting on his porch yelling at kids for riding their bikes on his lawn.
I liked his “Best of….” videos because it opened my mind to some shit that I haven’t heard. Vids like this however are the polar opposite and so close minded imo.
You forgot mayhem
I find the 90s to be one of the most creative periods for metal. Death, Black, Doom, Power, Gothic, Prog, etc. So much good stuff came from that decade.
Black shouldn’t have the word Metal after it because it’s definitely not Metal.
Black metal helped spawn everything, even TM. Ask metallica or slayer about it.
Yet none reached the mainstream on the same level with pop music, like metal did in the '80s
Sludge
@@shspurs1342 Lol what... of course it is.
Metal never died
You can say that again! That´s so true!
Never died, just evolved
@@Brian_W. And because of that, most folks in the 80's had no idea what you might actually like. When it came up in discussion and you said you liked metal, invariably they would say something akin to "Oh, you like Ratt and Judas Priest?" No, i didn't then and i still don't now.
The creation of subgenres in the 80's (don't forget, most of this stuff started in the 80's) and 90's was helpful to create a proper dialogue. I get the fact that it splintered, but this is also because folks were better able to find what they truly liked. Before the proper names were codified, you had to tell folks you liked certain bands and songs so that they understood what you meant. You can see this in the classifieds in the back of Metal Maniacs and certain other zines of the times.
Good point. Metal sort of ate itself in the 90s...bands either became too technical or too brutal & extreme for the majority of listeners. There needs to be some degree of blues based accessibility. There are many bands like Meshuggah that I appreciate, but there is a limit to how much atonality and polyrhythms I can digest at one sitting.
Metal is still here. Those posers chose to listen to the radio.
Period
Death was probably one of the best bands from back in the 90s
and King Diamond!
Chuck forever!
Death is the most overrated and underrated metal band ever.
@@MikeysMorgue In a way I suppose.
@@thomasangelripper They've probably only heard something off the last 2 albums.
Metal didn't die in the 90's but returned to it's rightful place in the underground where it continues to break new ground & innovate to this day.
hell yeah!!!!
Metal was never meant to be mainstream. It’s always been “us against the world” when it comes to heavy metal.
Exactly
imo it never came from the underground
@@renatovillatoro4746 why?
I listen to everything from Poison to Venom. There is quality in every genre, from catchy vocals, riffs to brutal heavy styles. But I mainly stay in 80s when it comes to music. Respect to all metalheads, no matter where you are or what you listen to. Just keep on rockin! In my world, metal is very much alive.
Me too bro! It seems we are outnumbered tho :) And there is also a semi-underground glam/sleaze scene that i really enjoy with bands like Alleycat Scratch, Shameless and the more known Pretty Boy Floyd. However, in the 90-s i was very focused on Black Metal.
@Buster Ellsworth Urban Dictionary - Buster
"Someone who cant hang or is just acting like a little punk bitch."
@Buster Ellsworth are you for real?😂
@Buster Ellsworth Wow you must be really stuck in the 80s
I mean nobody should ever tell somebody what to listen to and what not to listen to
Metal could be dead in USA but in the rest of the world it's so alive!
Edit: of course heavy metal are alive in USA. And I feel this when I listen to Municipal Waste or Toxic Holocaust. Metal in mainstream media is gone indeed but the underground keep going.
And even when metal was still alive in the USA, other countries ALWAYS had better metal than America. Period. End of story.
Edit: Of course I'm not saying all American metal sucks. We had some great bands from America. I'm just saying European bands were ALWAYS the best.
No it's not haven't heard anything new come out from anywhere that's like whoa the shit is good
@@bearface86 maybe the problem is you, in Brasil we see lots of new awsome bands every day.
Sad but true
LOVEBITES from Japan
When Dio says MTV killed metal you know MTV killed metal.
Yes, his words ring true.
because Ronnie Dio never heard about HardRadio 🎧🤘🏻
MTV basically killed culture. Look at all the garbage that spewed out into pop culture and it a mainstay now.
Lemmy said the same thing about MTV.
@@TheTenCentStory All that none music garbage on the channel. Started when MTV was sold to Viacom
We already had Cannibal Corpse, Deicide and Morbid Angel in the 90's
yes but that's not traditional metal.
@@RuthlessMetalYT it just evolved to more extreme levels, and the traditional rules were broken in the 90's without the long hair, denim with leather, and spikes and chains ⛓️
Nu Metal was a necessary progression from the Alternative Metal bands of the late 80’s-early 90’s. Whether you like it or not it opened the gates for an entire generation to Metal and deserves its spot in Metal history.
These bands and Pantera didn’t kill Metal, they kept it relevant. Mainstream 90’s audiences weren’t looking for fantasy lyrics they wanted reality and honesty from their frontmen. Gotta keep up with the times.
No, they nudged metal into the wrong direction.
I don't disagree. A lot of metalheads nowadays started with bands like Slipknot as that what was what was popular when they were young. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. And I agree that you have to keep up with the times.
@@RuthlessMetalYT glad you only considered your content as "opinion" not fact.
@@mr.sidecomments9278 yeah, more or less every video on this platform are opinions and not facts. :)
@@mr.sidecomments9278 Well an opinions like an asshole. Everyone's got one. But this guy clearly has an anti groove metal bias and assumes metal has to be one style to be good. I mean I can listen to Iron Maiden and 90s Pantera while being against the corporate world (The Kardashians etc) at the same time.
In the 90s Roadrunner drop almost all their death metal bands and started to sign only nu metal bands and Pantera copycats, but other labels like Nuclear Blast kept metal alive
yes, some labels were worse than others. :)
Roadrunner ruined so many great bands...they killed Opeth. I will never forgive that shit company for what they did.
Relapse,Osmose and Necropolis put out good stuff.
Ahem...Exhorder copycats.
Roadrunner told to all their bands like Annihilator or King Diamond etc. To play like Pantera! The ones who refused to change were dropped.
Never heard anyone describe Dimebag’s guitar tone as lifeless before..
It's dry as the sahara desert. Sounds like it was created in a studio.
@@RuthlessMetalYT do u mean that negatively? and are you talking about his lead tone or just the rhytm?
Yeah, I mean, it is.
From a guitar nerd's point of view, his tone from CFH to Trendkill was rather sterile, not in a very bad way, but more like the opposite to what you would call a rich guitar tone you associate with tube amps. He used solidstate amps extensively (i.e. Randall RG100ES, and signature models later), until he used a Krank tube amp, which ironically was voiced to sound like his solidstate amps.
I think one way to explain this is how Jason Becker's guitar tone sounds, versus how his playing makes the gear sing. Very solidstate sounding, but the player made it his own.
@@dodjiegarcia2320 its really a case of you hate it or you love it with darrels tone
If metal genres became popular in the 90’s then metal didn’t die
but if metal changed everything about it and it became something else, is it still metal?
@@RuthlessMetalYT it’s not “something else” if Pantera isn’t metal than what are they?
@Raul Ramirez they are modern metal. which sucks
Soundgarden and Alice in Chains were more metal than a lot of metal bands
fair enough. I rather listen to Soundgarden than the Nu Metal bands, that's for sure.
Nah. They've always been hard rock. They can get heavy, for sure. But definitely not metal. But neither was hair metal, imo.
I don’t know which band you mean but prior to the release of nevermind these bands were marketed as metal bands although of a different strain. Sure soundgarden became way softer throughout the 90s and Alice released a couple of acoustic tracks but their breakthrough records were heavy records. If you did a blind test and listened to “we die young” or “Jesus Christ Pose” without knowing who it was you would most definitely say these were metal bands. The problem is that a lot of people remember these bands by their biggest hits and not by their back catalog.
@@miguelborges3125 you must not be a death doom listener. Death doom was a thing in the early 90's (Tiamat, Anathema, Paradise Lost, Katatonia etc) as well as black metal.
@@Hellenicheavymetal I don’t know why you replied to my comment since it does not contradict my statement in any way. I specifically said “than some metal bands” not all. Definitely didn’t mean Paradise Lost or Moonspell and that wouldn’t even make sense since the alleged metal’s death was in the mainstream. I obviously meant that Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, The Melvins, etc..., were heavier than your average mainstream metal band that was not thrash. Just try “Honey Bucket”. But regardless, those bands you mentioned are all goods points in the “metal didn’t die in the 90s” side of the argument.
Because radio stations would never play anything harder than metallica, Ozzy or Classic rock. Anything else would be just ordinary college rock.
Yes, media has always treated metal as it didn't exist. even if it at times sells way more records than those rap groups.
Well, you can thank the FCC for that one.
I thought that the other day Robert & Mr Ruthless - Having seen a video tracing the history of heavy metal to Birmingham in 1970 when Geezer was listening to Holst , it surprised me how Britain hasn’t ever managed to respect this music heritage with a single national radio station devoted to serious metal . It’s a major part of music and culture in this country but crummy “ absolute ( shit ) radio “ or “ virgin radio “ playing the hits of Greenday or Queen doesn’t exactly do justice to this Art . Zane Lowe getting 2 hours in the evening was the limit in the 00s . It’s a disgrace when around here there’s even a station which plays pre 33 rpm recordings let alone Country , Jazz , Classical, 60s , 70s , 80s , etc but Punk or Metal - forget it. 🏴😇🙄🐢new forest pixies
@@newforestpixie5297 maybe incorporate death metal music with horror movies? Dear John Carpenter, Steven King and Rob Zombie....here's an idea for ya!
@@TheTenCentStory and yet we still watch rated R movies on cable tv without the FCC going nuts. Not to mention fox news.....FCC?? Sick em!
Been a metal head since 1988. Didn’t know it died. Listen to metal to this day. It went underground. It didn’t die for a metal head maybe for the fair weather fans 🤷♂️
but it did die, there were no traditional metal released between 94-98. If you don't agree, tell me your top 5 traditional metal albums from that period... I bet you can't give me five.
@@RuthlessMetalYT Ok sure: Epic by Tang Dynasty from China, 我意在 ~Gaia~ & 月の棘 & Natural by Gargoyle from Japan and メフィストフェレスの肖像 by 聖飢魔II ( also from Japan)
@@RuthlessMetalYT Syris-Syris, Skullview-Legends Of Valor, Chozzen Phate-Chozzen Phate, Agressor-Say Your Prayers, Tyrant-King Of Kings...
@@Overlorde79 Don't forget King Diamond and Mercyful Fate. Their 90s stuff is insanely underrated!
Testament low overkill WFO death symbolic death human death individual thought patterns death the sound of perseverance the haunted self titled. The haunted made me do it. At the gates had a bunch. Same thing with dark tranquillity, in flames, soilwork, darkane etc. maiden had couple decent albums in the 90s. Emperor satyricon immortal dark funeral Dimmu all had decent to classic albums. The geographical location changed a bit but metal def was good to great for some bands. The topic was metal and you added traditional metal in your reply so that’s where ur argument would be valid. The USA went to shit but it was alive and the us had a great death metal scene. I personally am not the biggest Tampa death metal kind of guy
Idk if Pantera killed anything. But I knew Phil Anselmo was into black metal. But seeing him in that Transylvanian Hunger shirt in a 90s photo, shows how truly plugged in to the underground he was. Because that’s like at the cusp of Black Metal.
Cheers!
"10 reasons metal went underground and thrived in the 90s " is a more accurate title.
I mean if nobody plays it in the traditional way 'dead' is a fitting word I think,.
@@RuthlessMetalYT yeah but considering the lyrical nature of metal and the fickle nature of pop, I think we could see that as compliment lol
Saying metal is dead is so metal 😆🤘
Who said metal died in the 90´s? There where plenty of awesome metal bands in that decade. Power and progressive metal were huge: Symphony X, Rhapsody, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Nocturnal Rites, Death, Freeedom Call, Avantasia, Edguy, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Hammerfall, Dream Theater, to list a few...
Americans
that's what I said in the video, death, black and euro power metal flourished in the 90s but all traditional styles died and was replaced by Pantera styled cargo pants metal.
@@RuthlessMetalYT If you consider all those to be Pantera style cargo shorts metal, you know literally nothing about any of them.
@@RuthlessMetalYT who gives a shit if they wear cargo pants my guy
@@ksquidplaysminecraft for real this guy is a joke
Extreme metal thrived in the 90’s in my opinion because of it’s un-mainstream appeal it sounded genuinely inspired.
Crust punk, grindcore, black metal, doom metal, death metal, and sludge all came to their culmination during this decade.
yes but crust punk and grindcore is perhaps not metal. the eighties was bettter for doom and sludge not really my thing so you might be right. :)
Thrived? For every good death metal band in the 90s there was 500 of them bad
@@RuthlessMetalYT If grindcore isn't metal, then the hair bands arent either.
@@NearGuttersPath grindcore takes more from punk rather than metal I know bc grind and noise are my thing n shit
@@gaboxd4407 Thats cool. I've been going to Metal and Hardcore shows since the 80s. An album like Terrorizer - World Downfall, imo the definitive Grindcore album, is much more Metal, than it is Punk. My point was, if you're gonna exclude Grindcore from the Metal catagory, then Glam doesnt belong in the Metal catagory either, since Glam bands borrowed more from Hard Rock than Metal bands. I'm not saying Grind didnt evolve from the Punk scene. If it wasnt for Punk, we wouldnt have Hardcore, Thrash Metal, Grindcore, Death Metal, or Black Metal. All borrowed from Punk.
Metal never dies. Like the crawling chaos Nyarlathotep, it just goes underground for a while... waiting to be summoned by the faithful.
Metal didn't die. It is still very much alive. It's just not mainstream like it was. Good metal exists all over the world.
And now we're seeing a huge New Wave Of Traditional Heavy Metal bands from all over the world playing the old school sound.
Hmm. You must know your shit then. 🤣
Any "Good Metal exists from all over the world" recommendations? Because the scene so far has been shit this decade tbh lul.
@@Kniquolas I don't know what subgenres you like, but yes there are countless good metal releases all over the world. There is more good metal coming out now than in the 80's. Metal is a thriving underground scene.
Heavy/Trad: Traveler, Eternal Champion, Summerlands, Visigoth, Demon Bitch, Angel Sword
Death metal: Necrom, Triumvir Foul, Undeath, Cryptworm, Malignant Altar
Black metal: Mäleficent, Funereal Presence, Negative Plane, Jordablod, Pan-Amerikan Native Front, Auld Ridge
These are just some newer bands off the top of my head.
Only because your favorite 2 genres Thrash metal and heavy metal died, doesn't mean metal as a whole died.
I mean all traditional sounding metal more or less got nuked in the nineties. I bet you can't name five traditional sounding metal albums from 94-98.
@@RuthlessMetalYT yeah but that's what i ment, just because there weren't good traditional sounding metal albums it doesn't mean metal died as a whole. Here are some albums from mid 90s
Dissection - Storm of the Lights Bane
Death - Symbolic
Voivod - Phobos
Immortal - At The Heart of Winter
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
So don't really agree with ur statement that it died. Thrash and traditional metal died yeah and i won't deny that's the best shit and the 80's rock haha
@@Thijscube Destroy Erase Improve, Phobos and Symbolic sounded nothing to traditional metal
Died in the 90s??? You can't be serious. Some of the greatest + most influential metal albums were released in the 90s, record sales and metal festival attendance reached its peak, there were metal clubs all over Europe (probably U.S. as well).
The peak of metal bands WORLDWIDE (because we only had American and British bands) was in the 90s and early 00s.
'metal'
dude, I'm 43, what the video says is EXACTLY what happened, especially the pantera part.
In1992 the scene died, just a small undergroud death metal scene survived for a couple years, and that was it untill 2000
This video was full of crap lol
@@agustinalessio what are you saying? That Pantera isn’t metal? I’m not getting the Pantera hate and this shit
What helped kill 80s metal for me was mostly the 80s glam scene. The 80s metal magazines always focused on the hair bands which always pissed me off. By the 90s, Motley Crue was done and it was a domino effect from there. The new kids flooded towards grunge, indy music, etc. It's a generational thing and each one has their own music. The excess of the 80s just didn't sell anymore and the labels were looking for the next big thing and the start of that was the Seattle sound.
For sure, Cheers!
dude, metal didn't die in the 90's, it diversified. hair and glam were always shitty mass media attention grabbers. thrash WAS good, until they decided to slow down. trad just sounds oldschool and classic, cant fault it, always appreciate it. but you got better shit in the 90's. You got death, black, doom, gothic, folk, symphonic, prog, power, the list goes on man. metal didn't die, it just shed its skin and got better.
So the question is when has it diversified or changed so much that it's no longer metal in your opinion? When they change the style of the clothes, the artworks, the music, how the singers perform, well just about everything about it, is it still metal? I would say no.
90's were great for stoner, sludge and doom metal.
the eighties was better for doom. :)
@@RuthlessMetalYT what about uk bands such as cathedral, solstice, warning, mourn, electric wizard, my dying bride, paradise lost, anathema. It was a golden time of underground doom before everyone tuned way down and only focused on drone.
Sludge it’s Metal.
@@alanjames762 My Dying Bride & Mourn are not Doom.
This is what happens when you want your favourite bands to keep releasing albums after albums in the same style. Genres evolve, that's the nature of music. If you don't care about Death, Black, Prog or Sludge Metal from 90s, I don't know what to say. Just keep listening to the same albums I guess.
It didn’t die but it was less mainstream for much of the 90’s
@@l21n18 That's the point. No genre stays popular for decades. Metal was always about the underground & that's why it has so many branches.
Completely agree with this comment! I expect serious musicians to make the music THEY like and not repeat the same over and over again. I’ll decide whether I like it or not. Bands owe us NOTHING. Also new bands are influenced and add their own flavor to it. Being a metalhead since the 80s I loved grunge and the first album of Linkin Park as it was new and refreshing.
@@InfinityX2 Exactly, that's the beauty of music & we can listen to so many different things. It's a never-ending process & caters to different phases in our life. Also, a prime example of this would be Opeth. From Black Metal to Prog Death & now Prog Rock, they have experimented with so many genres. And I love all of it.
People act like the concept of originality went into the trashcan in the 90s, meanwhile most Thrash bands have recycled the same ol' lick from one another at least once
Being sectarian over music is just so unbelievably stupid
About the Black album: I also remember that many kids at my school started to listen to Metallicas 4 first albums after they released The Black album, and some became fans of other metal bands to. These kids didnt even know about thrash metal before 1991. I also know some kids that later started to listen to death metal. Etc. So that album did not only "kill" metal I think, it helped some kids discover more metal. But sure, many people also only liked the Black album and never really became "real" fans of metal.
Awesome videos though. This channel is awesome.
Thank you!
Doom metal and stoner rock ruled in the '90s. At least on my stereo.
Matt pike is a personal friend of mine. He's still kicking ass. I consider him to be the godfather of the genre.
Music genres are bound to change over time. From your video its clear that metal didn't die, it just transformed to new soundscapes that you don't personally like. That's a perfectly valid opinion to have. But surely it's natural that after a decade or more of fantasy lyrics, shredding guitar solos and Halford-esque vocals that people would try to innovate and play music they found suited them better?
but since traditional metal didn't live on, it must have died and then it was replaced by other genres. you couldn't find a traditional heavy metal record or a thrash metal record from 94-98. and hardly any traditional doom, speed or so. it was groove and nu metal and underground black and death and some melodic european power metal. and yes everything changes but I think it's important to remember how different metal was before and after Pantera. Hej föresten. ;)
@@RuthlessMetalYT Hej!
So metal didn't die, it just had a haircut.
@@EudaemonicGirl and change their clothes and screwed up the productions, and removed the guitar solos, and let the vocalist shout and scream, etc. ;)
@@eaglebauer944 That is the truth. All records from that era had a 90s sound to them. there was no traditional sounding heavy or thrash metal around.
You're totally right about Metal Hammer&Kerrang. These are Mainstream Magazines that promote what Music Industry wants to sell. This is what Metal Hammer said in February 1993(No.2/Vol.8)in its editorial:
"Certainly not Metal. 'Metal' as a sound is dead. God forgive its sleazy soul. Welcome the new age.
.... By the end of '93, Metal will have become so radically removed from its original roots that confusion will run riot across the Rock industry!"
The best answer to the question came in form of a song by Tenacious D
You can't kill the metal
The metal will live on
Punk Rock tried to kill the metal
But they failed, as they were smite to the ground
New wave tried to kill the metal
But they failed, as they were stricken down to the ground
Grunge tried to kill the metal, hahahaha
They failed, as they were thrown to the ground
Aargh! yeah
No one can destroy the metal
The metal will strike you down with a vicious blow
We are the vanquished foes of the metal
We tried to win for why we do not know
New wave tried to destroy the metal, but the metal had its way
Grunge then tried to dethrone the metal, but metal was in the way
Punk Rock tried to destroy the metal, but metal was much too strong
Techno tried to defile the metal, but techno was proven wrong
Yea!
Metal!
It comes from hell!
I didn’t think it died at all. Just expanded. Deicide, Fear Facs, Machine Head, Sadus. Tons of great stuff.
The guy considered Pantera bad... He is not going to open his mind to those bands
@@ShattererMetal, yeah I mean sure classic metal wasn’t being pushed in the media, but you could still find it. Entombed - Wolverine Blues was sort of indicative of some of the changes. Wicked sabbath style drumming on that record. 90s Napalm was great . I was constantly trying to keep up with the different directions.
Metal has/will never die
pantera, prong, coc, anthrax, slayer, ministry, nin, machine head and list keeps going all became household names in the 90s. this guy has lost his mind.
@@jeffreyrigged 90’s Anthrax was killer I thought. I remember anticipating all of those 90’s albums as a teenager and loved them. And that’s coming from a Joey Belladonna fanatic. 😎
Personally i like metal not to be popular. I like the way that it is now: niche but with a dedicated fanbase
yes, maybe it's best that way.
When it became popular it became stale and pompous just like in the mid 70s. Some of the best metal comes out in difficult times.
Underground is metal's mainstream. Always has been, always will be.
Until you try to find a relationship with a metal woman and realize you live in America haha
I disagree with some points, but still dropping a Like because this was still a good video and know a lot of effort was put into it. Metal may have been low in the 1990's, but it took off with the 2000's New Wave of American Metal that continues to this day.
Hey man , Dave from Gatekeeper here , cheers for the shoutout alongside titans like Visigoth and Atlantean Kodex! Im in the same boat and dont really care much for metal magazines but it's still a nice feeling when we get featured in something like Deaf Forever for example.
Yeah, there will always be a great divide between the mainstream and the good stuff I guess. :) Keep it up!
When I was in middle school early-mid 90'S a lot of the guys previously wearing death metal patches and t-shirts started showing up to school wearing Pearl Jam, Faith No More, Alice in Chains etc.
yeah, most metal kids started to listen to that or they just stopped caring about music.
I remember faith no more and soundgarden opening for voivod. And Alice In Chains opened on the clash of the titans tour. I liked some songs from these bands that were on the heavy side, but not a whole lot.
Kind of shows how much music is about social identity mostly
well say what you want but AIC has some great metal songs also in my opinion they arent just grunge theyre more than that
But those are great bands honestly. It isn’t like an either or dichotomy. If you had said Limp Bizkit I’d be more ready to agree with you. 😉
Oh, boy... The metal lived, the metal is live, the metal will live!
but it died so it must be a zombie.
@@RuthlessMetalYT In your head, in your head, zombie, zombie...
Love your channel reminds me back in the early VH1 days when they had metal doc's
thank you. the good 'ol days.
Nickleback has helped a lot us deal with metal being dead.
yes, they saved us all.
Am I allowed to be a metalhead and still love Nickelback? For some reason I don't think I am. Guess I'm just a rock n roll rebel.
@@bradleyhoward9638 No! I believe its written somewhere.
When you get out of the 80s you will discover lots of great metal
Interesting thought, since almost every metal band, released albums and toured constantly, during the 1980´s. There were many music styles during the 1980´s, not that interesting, but metal was alive and well through the whole decade.
True. 90’s had some great metal bands. Idk about the 10’s and up. It’s hard to find a band that isn’t just heavy tuning and brutal vocals.
Spoken like someone born around 1979. You couldn't have lived through the greatest decade and be such a blasphemer!!!
My condolences. And Nirvana isn't metal!!!
@@thrashthatass7967 Being sectarian over music is one the stupidest things I can think of. People didn't just suddenly forget how to write riffs in 1994, things just change.
@@the_viriathus5719 "Sectarian"...WTF?
I stand by my opinion and change does not equate to improvement. IMHO
Just because music changes doesn't mean it gets better. I am positive many agree that 80's thrash was the pinnacle of the genre and if you get offended when someone makes a statement and puts out in the ether, at least back it up with reasons, not fancy words you learned in AP english.
P.S. I have a doctorate so you vocabulary doesn't impress me.
SLAYAAAAAAAH!!!!
One of my favorite styles Melodic death metal was born in the 90s
you mean one of the worst?
@@RuthlessMetalYT I mean Children of Bodom are pretty good imo melo death is not really a good one. But I also despise death metal so I'm kinda biased
@@RuthlessMetalYT In Flames, At the gates, Death. Wtf are you on about?
Yeah, metal doesn’t die, they evolve.
@@RuthlessMetalYT Dark Tranquillity took a great turn in style, in my opinion... definitely melo-death is far from the worst....
I agree with everything except the pantera part. Great video man! New sub.
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The German metal scene has for sure contribute to keep metal alive up to this day..
Absolutely!
I was born and raised in Germany. In my opinion some of the best trash metal bands are from germany. My favorite band in the 80's l went to one of their concerts. After their set they were at the bar talking to their fans, having a cold one. Not like most guys, being backstage. I asked them for an autograph and the all signed my entrance ticket. Really cool guys. Best day of my life. I had a smile on my face the rest of the night.
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@@rogerbyington5640 what band was that?
I graduated high school in 1992. Despised the glam metal, then Grunge came out which 18 year old me loved, Cobain dies and that ended that. Contemporary metal I knew from the radio was dead. It was very depressing decade - Until Napster showed up and got to see how much I missed from the previous generations. Loved that Napster
yes, the internet certainly saved metal to some degree.
Extreme metal was great in the 90s
yes but traditional metal died.
I totally agree with you on all your points! We must be about the same age bc I literally lived through all those changes and remember starting a band where we had a DJ! Hahaha! It was fun though but yes, lots of changes were had throughout the last 40 fun years! I wouldn't change it for anything! Again, another great video!!
I'm 39 years young hehe
I wanna ask everyone the opinions on Carcass - Heartwork. It was certainly more “Melodic” than their previous album. But I still think it's a masterpiece nonetheless. Best DM of 1993?
I liked the video a lot!
Because in this video we talked about metal in the 90's, may I suggest a topic about metal in the 2000's?
In this era there was a kind of a revival of older and less known bands like: Pentagram, Cirith Ungol & Diamond Head (and more) . Why suddenly it all happened?
Can you make a video about this phenomena? I find it very interesting and maybe more people would like it.
Thank you a lot for your videos! 🤘🤘🤘
Yes his final section hinted at this, but it'd be nice to get a more positive video to pair against this depressing one
thank you, yeah some day maybe, I definitely thought of tackling the metal revival. more than the nwothm documentary.
Glam Metal was over saturating the market, and by the late 80,s and the early 90's there was a movement to strip down all the excess from the music and image, but it was too late for these bands. People still thought of bands like Motley Crue and Poison as make up bands. Plus the bands like Maiden and Priest were causalities by association, not Glam, but metal. See Tesla. Never a glam band but were somewhat associated with them.
yes people lumped in the glam bands with the heavy metal bands and everyone lost in the end.
Yet Mercyful Fate did reform, and the King never went anywhere
I love Fate’s nineties albums
Sir, you KNOW music. I am blown away by your knowledge and feel for the metal genre in general beginning to end and I could not possibly agree more I can't remember a time when I cross past a human being who had such a vast and detailed knowledge of their chosen career subject matter.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Well, death metal and grindcore grew in the 90's
Grindcore sucks
Grindcore is garbage, with the possible exception of Napalm Death.
True
yes, black, death, european power metal and a few others did well.
@@mrshreker3135 so does your mom
Metal didn't die. It only went dormant like a Finnish lake troll. When the Metal Gods returned, the troll awakened and reclaimed the land! You cannot kill the Metal!
The word "death" can be refered to glam/speed and thrash metal only, not to all metal. If talkin bout extreme metal, we've got grindcore, death metal, black metal, stoner metal and doom metal, while groove metal and power metal were conquering the mainstream media. So it can be said that metal evolved as people were tired of glam and thrash, so metalheads wanted to face some experiments in music. Some of these experiments were great, some of them weren't,but overall- metal evolved and expanded. Metal will never die
Just because a genre evolves and changes over time it doesn't mean its dead.
My thoughts exactly.
the guy's giving a heart on your comment but he really thinks otherwise lol. typical 80's metal fan that considers anything born in 2000's as "not real" nor considered "an evolution"
@@mr.sidecomments9278 yea this guy is completely stuck in the 80's, I don't consider people like that to be actual fans of Metal.
One place metal didn't die during the 90s was in Greece. I still think that the headbangers in Athens kept metal on life support until it could recover from the the things listed in this video. \m/\m/
Yes, Greece and south america has been strongholds for metal.
I really like Suicidal Angels, awesome band!
Greece has a very steady stream fantastic stoner rock/metal coming out to this day
@@toro5280 check out bio-cancer and slaughtered priest, you might enjoy them
I don't think metal "died', just change. From 1995 to 1999 was really a very strange period with a lot of experimentation, but from 1990 to 1994 are pure classic albums.
Yeah it got worse by each year from 91 and forward.
Many of my favorite metal albums are from the 90's. Opeth, Nevermore, DEATH, Meshuggah, Sepultura - Arise, Katatonia's early stuff, even FF's early stuff. There will always be bands who are more passionate about their music than money or fame.
I’d argue the GOOD metal in the nineties almost got better than the eighties. Most people in the US hadn’t heard of the bands on shirts I wore but I didn’t give a shit
Great Video! As a life long and pretty hardcore Pantera fan, I have to say that's its a very well thought out observation. I will say they were the ones that made me go deeper into Metal in the non Nu-Metal way but I can see your point that it probably did push people toward the Nu-Metal genre more so.
Yes I think so, and thanks for not hating me too much for this video. ;) hehe
I don't think it died, just reached the level where it couldn't be bigger, when a Music genre (that isn't pop) becomes mainstream a time bomb starts and when that time passes the genre starts to go outside the Mainstream, tied to this is the entrance barrier, with every year and bigger release that barrier got bigger and bigger...Imagine a kid starting with Nu Metal or The Black Album for example and gets rejected (a lot) by other metalheads because that isn't "True Metal" enough, instead of joining to classic metal he has to find music by himself and he ends finding more Nu Metal/Mainstream Rock, i've seen it, and it's really sad, i was that kid, i love metal, but man the community is very harsh sometimes with new listeners.
Sure, but it's the other way around too, when there are so many cool and great bands out there but the kids keep yapping about Slipknot and Ghost. :)
I was a kid who started out like this with pantera, korn and iron maiden as my favorites and was called a basic metal head but I ended up delving very deep into every aspect of metal starting with the helpless feeling screams of corey on slipknot first album to chucks screams in death i dont remember if it was symbolic or human i listened to first but then it was from there i just got into everything from say DSBM to stoner doom and I can tell you metal didnt die in the 90s it flourished like the lad said the genre became so big diverged into numerous subgenres as the term implies but as it comes right down to it metal didnt die in the 90s it just became over sensationalized and the broader community that were into glam and shit like that finally discovered something else trendy like grunge because they were worn out and older so they connected to the groove and emotion and randomness of grunge
@@RuthlessMetalYT It is possible to like multiple music types at the same time. Everything from King Diamond to Sabbath to Metallica to Possessed to Infant Annihilator to Ghost to classical composers like Bach, etc. Nothing wrong with that. The key point I am making is never let anyone tell you that the music you like is lesser.. whatever that music may be.
Those who really lived that period remember very well that the traditional metal of the 80s was already decaying at the end of that decade. Bands like Sepultura, Pantera, Alice in Chains, Kyuss, Ministry and styles like Stoner, Death, Prog and Grind were a breath of creativity in a scene that already showed tiredness.
Sure, traditional heavy metal kinda caved in when the glam metal bands came.
The genre called Grind has nothing to do with Metal what so ever.
The main reasons why it died in the 90's is..
1. Radio Stations changed
2. MTV or Muchmusic changed
3. Metal Magazines changed
These 3 things did the most damage 😩..
Grunge and Alternative was basically advertised everywhere
Hard Rock/ Heavy Metal didn't stand a chance because they weren't promoted anywhere
I agree on the magazines, they should have been educating the kids on metal and making it popular, influencing rather than following market trends.
On the contrary. The 90s is when metal grew and expanded. Bands were more willing to experiment and take risks and give birth to new genres. I'd say the 90s was peak metal.
you're drunk...
@@Brian_W. That's not always a bad thing.
@@Brian_W. Nu metal was a guilty pleasure for me. Pure party music.
I think there was a trend in the 90's that affected many things, from metal to comedy (Seinfeld) to horror (Scream). If the 80's were "all in", the 90's were laid back. That works as a reaction, with the contrast being clear, but in and of itself it's very uninteresting.
Metal becoming mainstream, of course changed the conditions to.
Thanks for a steady deliverence of interesting videos. I don't always agree, but that's of course part of the fun.
My guess for the follow-up video: The ten best metal albums in the 90's.
Some of these points I didn't even consider but you're absolutely right. Very well thought out points, sure some bands were putting out good stuff but on the whole it went down the pan.
Cheers!
I'm a Pantera fan and I agree 100% lol. I loved the sound that really was their own however I've never liked their dumbed down lyrics. Everyone did seem to drift towards their sound I believe had a lot to do with the birth of nu metal. But, having said that..... Pantera's riffs were unreal and bluesy and I loved it lol
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I like Pantera but you’re right. They inspired a lot of bands I can’t stand.
Metal didn't really "die" - it just went back underground where it belongs.
Just what I wanted to say. I find bands better that those from 80s on daily basis.
but it kinda did die, there were no new maiden, no new priest, no new saxon, no new metallica in the 90s.
Damn, thanks for the shoutout! Thankfully there are cool magazines like Iron Fist, Decibel and Deaf Forever who are still willing to cover real killer metal bands.
Ah, no worries. Yeah hopefully those magazines will dethrone Kerrang and Metal Hammer some day. ;) Keep up the great work with the band, you guys are great!
Awesome shout out to gatekeeper!!! I had to show my neighbor downstairs the clip where you mention them! He's the bass player.
Yeah, they contacted me. that's cool. :) It's always a bit strange when i do these videos, you just sit and talk into the mic and it's kinda strange when people are reacting to it because I never expect anyone to. I'm glad I didn't use the chainsaw on them then. ;) hehe
@@RuthlessMetalYT the chainsaw isn't by coincidence, there is always good reason. The saws the law.
Wow! you are spot on with your Ten reasons. I agree with each and every one of your points! I also think an 11th reason was "fake punk' from the late 90's to early 2000's. Ugh!
The 90’s definitely saw a shift in the collective sound of metal...a departure from traditional and unifying influences into more divergent sub genres. However I wouldn’t see that as a negative.
There are some brilliant albums from this period. Bands such as Sepultura, Death,Machine Head, Slayer, Sleep, Kyuss, Obituary, Cathedral, Solstice, Anathema, Opeth, White Zombie, Electric Wizard, Warning...all knocking out classics. It was certainly a lot healthier than 2000s metal.
I agree with your opinion of kerrang and metal hammer, embarrassing! Have you ever read terrorizer magazine?
Yes, it was like two different styles of music, the pre and the post Pantera stuff. from spandex metal to baggy military cargo pants metal. :) haha I don't know if I would call any of those records for classics. Rust in Peace and Painkiller that are 90s classics, but they were practically recorded in the eighties anyhow. haha I don't really read metal magazines at all. Sweden Rock Magazine is the only metal magazine I've bought in the last ten years.
I love Pantera because I was a huge fan of them when I was younger though I do see what you mean at times and I still enjoy your videos so keep up the good work man
thanks boss. Cheers!
Excellent video, I am an old metalhead, who grew up in the eighties, thrash was my favorite style. I remember many people talked about that movie, "The Decline of Western Civilization part 2" coming out and showing the glam metal for how weak it really was, and that may have accelerated true metal's decline. Maybe so, but it was much more complicated than that, as you point out. I have had this conversation about what killed metal many times with friends, and I think that your list is strong. When my childhood friends in the band Toxik were signed to roadracer records in the late eighties, I got a bit of a different perspective on what was going on. It would seem that the record labels would sign a bunch of bands, in the hope that one of them would end up being the next Metallica, as if that was realistic. They would provide no support for the signed bands if that did not turn out that way. Then there was the need for the labels to ride the next big thing, whatever that was, so nu metal and grunge provided that. Not my taste at all :) To give Pantera credit for one thing, I am not a fan of groove, (although I do think Exhorder is better), Pantera did play well live, were real tight, they actually opened for Toxik. Pantera did have a work ethic. There is another reason that my musician friends have discussed with me. We all noticed how guitar solos virtually disappeared, and songs did get much simpler. There had been a push to get better as players, look at how the shred guitarists evolved in the eighties from the shrapnel records stuff, etc. The bar kept getting raised, and many of the newer generations of players simply did not want to bother practicing that much to get that good, so playing simpler music, with little or no guitar solos was just simply easier. Back in the eighties, when I was taking guitar lessons, I would bring Uli Roth, Michael Schenker, Yngwie Malmsteen records, etc. to my guitar teacher and they would teach me the solos, I would practice all week to learn a solo and be ready for my next lesson. In the nineties, when I was giving lessons myself, student after student would come to me wanting to learn that popular Nirvana record, i learned the whole album in one afternoon and could teach most of my students, who had been playing maybe 6 months, I could teach them a song from that record in one afternoon. The stuff was just so much simpler. I am not trying to imply that it isn't any good, or it would be easy to write a hit, but the stuff did get way too simple for my taste. Give me the eighties stuff any day,! Today, I think that a band like Enslaved puts out great stuff to this day. Just some of my thoughts :)
yes, there was like everything that happened in the early nineties just made metal less popular. :) Cheers!
I lost roughly 10 minutes of my life watching this video and never heard so much bullshit.
This is just whining about mainstream media when metal grew up as a community with independent fanzines, smaller radio programs, just as punk rock did, I discovered metal by willpower just as everyone.
Ronnie James Dio and Lemmy said MTV killed metal because people started expecting the ''rock n roll attitude" in music videos instead of live shows, which was the role of Hair Metal. And recording music videos became stressful for classic bands with a multitude of concepts. Bands that came from the 70s never liked this. That's why you have never seen a music video from Jethro Tull, Black Sabbath with Ozzy, Deep Purple. If you have seen it, it's just the band playing live.
Metal never failed to be reinvented, if it's really dead then why I even play it?
If you cant see the difference between eighties metal and 90's machine head then you're a lost cause.
@@RuthlessMetalYT Am I speaking about sound comparison? I bet 50 bucks I'm not.
It's the chronological behavior instead of press sensationalism.
Just like politics everywhere, music niche timelines are cyclical. I'm going to point out that grunge was responsible for the Black Sabbath reunion tour and so on, speaking from a worldwide perspective, third world bands were finally becoming big hits in the 90s, breaking the US-UK axis.
The "particular niche music genre is dead" was always the arrogance of the music press. It is said that ''rock is dead" since mid 70's when Motown and disco music took over the charts.
The early 00s saw the classic bands returning to the fold, now with packed shows and newer fans. The Internet brought underrated bands (split in decades) from the 80s and early 90s, people who are finally profiteering through music.
It is really relevant the discussion about the Billboard top 100?
@@JimmyFucker Cry about it, Poser.
@@guilhermefernandes9094 Says the coochieless and unemployed kid
Laughed so hard throughout the whole video. It's just ridiculous to think that technology or Pantera killed an old school genre that simply got boring and started eating it's own tail.
just listen to any mid 90s record, they all had this rediculously bad production.
Yes I think a big thing is you have to get into the actual reasons why the general public stopped being as interested in metal. Blaming record companies , MTV, radio stations is just moving the goalposts and ignoring the elephant in the room: THE PUBLIC and their ABSENCE of demand for metal.
Tastes shifted, rap/hiphop took off enormously, and fusions with other cultures became a lot more popular. There are actual reasons why the public favored grunge/nu-metal over the 80s stuff.
Not to even mention... the kind of "pure metal" that many people like was NEVER popular. I mean Death/Black/Grindcore etc. That stuff was NEVER mainstream, closest to it was maybe Death metal a bit but only for a bit. Thrash was a big deal in the 80s yes but that was as hard as mainstream got.
I think a big part of it is that for a lot of people they felt more genuine emotion from rap/hiphop due to the social context behind it.... "gangsta rap" was pretty hard and intense in its own right and also faced calls for censorship and all that. And grunge/numetal felt fresh and somehow more sincere, the old 80s power metal and hair metal stuff felt very irrelevant to most people's daily lives. And felt excessive and pointless.
So yeah, a real attempt at tackling shifts in popularity of music genres has to take into account broad culture and social questions, that's the root cause
In 90’s was bad production record!? Oh common! I’m gonna tell just about one example. It’s album that many metal heads hate for no reason. It’s Metallica’s Black album. You can hate it, but that album is a masterpiece considering music production that nobody achieved ever again even with computers. It’s one of the best album produced in studio EVER, not only in metal genre but in general. Many things can’t be replicated even today because Bob Rock didn’t tell everything how he achieved that sound. Entire sound on Black album is perfect. Listen to drums, on moments they sound like that they sampled the drums but of course they didn’t. Every single instrument sounds perfect! Nobody knows how many times was overdubbed and how they recorded Hatfield’s vocals to sound so massive. OK There are some video clips that show how Black album was recorded and produced but there they tell us just basics and even those basics from black album every producer has to learn. Many other things about how they achieved some sound we heard from some insiders decades latter because they were part of Bob Rock’s team during recording of Black album and they tell some details how they achieved to get some particular sound. But we will never know everything, because main things Bob is going to keep for himself or his students and that’s it. Metal and Metallica evolved as every other genre and good band. After black album Metallica made one more good album that metal heads hate and it’s The Load. OK it’s not metal metal album but still The Load is one of the best rock albums in late 90s. The last Metallica album for me is Reload and live album with symphonic orchestra. After that Metallica for me dyed. So when Newsted left Metallica, they are not Metallica anymore for me. New bass player doesn’t suit with Metallica at all! I prefer Load more than any other post Newsted Metallica album. Otherwise you are right! Good old metal dyed as every other music genre did and will, because it’s inevitable! I don’t agree with you about Pantera neither! For me and many others Pantera were one of rare true metal bands in 90s.
@@roggyo the black album is the most overrated album in rock and metal. It's like a 2/5 album at best.
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To be honest I’m not anymore in metal as I used to be. But please tell me other rock - metal albums that achieved so good high quality music production sound as Black album did. Otherwise all what I said about the production of black album I heard and read from the best music producers in the world. If they say that Black album is a masterpiece regarding the music production than it is. And besides them I have my own ears. Sound on Black album is something that no one achieved before nor after it. That’s the fact. And every music producer has to learn it, especially if he’s going to be rock or metal music producer, because simply making of black album is their homework. But regarding the songs, it’s already more about the personal taste. In this case I prefer more Master of puppets and Ride the lightning. But in general, Black album is one of my favorite albums ever. Just as I said, liking or disliking songs on it is more about personal taste.
great point about "Sterilizing" the music. Triggered drums that sound like a robot using a typewriter, boring guitar sounds that all sound the same, etc. Great video yet again, totally spot on and spreading the right messages about Metal for sure!
thank you, yeah the metal magazines and media pushed crap in the 90s.
I'm not sure if we're living in the same universe, but...I started listening to metal when I was twelve - that was 31 years ago! And we have now bands like Gojira, Paradise Lost better than ever before, Amon Amarth more popular than ever, Jinjer, and suddenly every music related channel on YT reacts to Meshugga. I mean come on - look into what metal has evolved; the scene is more vivid than ever!
that's the problem, If Meshuggah came out with their music in 1983 nobody would have called them metal, they would have been given a new genre. Because that stuff is so different from what metal was. It's just getting worse and worse and nobody is saying anything.
@@RuthlessMetalYT Thanks for responding. I'd like to add one thing though: one might argue "that's the problem", while others would say: "that's the solution". If a genre of music becomes stuck, it is bound to fade. If 'Painkiller' came out today, no one would even notice. Back in the the day it was 'Painkiller' that inspired me to pick up a guitar. I wasn't into "groove metal" either - well, at first. It was so very different from what I was used to hear. But than again it opened up opportunities to express oneself in very different forms. Look at Eluveitie - that's a crazy mixture of genres but nevertheless metal af. You only have a given set of chords and tones, you know? So repeating what is accepted over and over again will lead back to the same - I don't think we would appreciate any new bands today. The genre would be long since gone. The honest question is: what is getting worse and worse? I find it quiet interessting and refreshing that bands explore the possibilities of a genre, mix it with new ideas and treat new paths. The "fear" of most metal fans is (if we're all honest with us) that these bands find a wider acceptance amongst a more mainstream audience that is not into the music in the first place but baths in the surrounding ("Yeah fucker, we're metal - tomorrow I am back at my job as a hot shit broker!"). But those get sorted out easily - usually they start a hype and than just vanish :) So my conclusion would be: we should celebrate the return of mighty metal and for once remember from where it started and where the real great metal bands of today are. And that metal has so much more to offer than black and white.
In The U.S, maybe. In other parts of the world, no.
Metal was pretty much alive in the 90s here in South East Asia. Only in early 2000s the trend of grunge and "alternative" started to rise in my country. But, at that time, we started to recognize Europe as the new Polaris for Metal. So we shifted there. Thank God for Rhapsody and Helloween.
and in extreme metal there was the swedish death metal wave that also helped
metal was popular, but no but there were no traditional metal albums released between 94-98. So it died.
@@RuthlessMetalYT I swear your way of thinking is so limiting and shallow lol
@@RuthlessMetalYT You're a very narrow-minded individual.
@@airfixx_8952 thank you
Metal never died but it changed for sure a lot in a bad way for many aspects. I was aware of 9 reasons of your video but I never realized about Pantera's reason and now that I think of it, makes sense for sure! As I said before, the metal never died but it changed a lot in 90's, there are still some bands that try to keep with the the 80's metal style, they may not be very popular but still play the unique style from 80's metal. What is left is to keep enjoying the 80's metal era and support the bands that carry the will to follow this style nowadays.
it was unrecognizable in the 90s. different types of vocals, the solos was gone in some cases, the guitar riffs were slowed down, the production plastic sounding, the spandex and leather look was gone, the big hair. I could go on forever.
By this time, in which I 'm writing these words, the comments are much more than twenty-two hundred, only a couple of weeks after you posted this remarkable video you made!! It 's pretty obvious to me that many people consider this issue as a very important one. Well, in my humble opinion, they shouldn 't. To me, it 's all about evolution. In the late sixties, the masses wanted something harder, sharper, louder to their ears than the beatles and the stones. Iommi talked in an interview about how the industrial workers looked like in his homeland, Birmingham, after finishing the day 's -or night 's- job and how inspiring this fact became to him for writing music. I mean, somehow, the society 's every day life reflects on music, just like in any other sort of art. Of course, you 're absolutely right when you mentioned how the labels' power set the rules, along with the mtv domination. As for me, I listen only to the seventies hard rock and heavy metal glorious days. I don 't miss them, I don 't want them back. I just like them, that 's all.
When bands like genesis were classified as metal in the 70s,and bands like nirvana were classified as metal in the 90s,we shud have stayed in the 70s
Top 10 Reason Metal died in the 90's..
#1 Nirvana
#2 Nirvana
#3 Nirvana
#4 Nirvana
#5 Nirvana
#6 Nirvana
#7 Nirvana
#8 Nirvana
#9 Nirvana
#10 Nirvana
Absolutely huge point about singing being replaced with growling and screaming. In the 80s the top metal bands all had proper singing, i.e. Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax. Where has that gone now? Finding a modern thrash metal band with proper singing is like a needle in a haystack.
yeah, the more aggressive vocals has definitely taken over. Cheers!
The nu metal bands tried to out do the more traditional metal bands in the 90s. But they failed you can't kill the old school metal bands like slayer and metallica.
I am happy you addressed the Pantera angle...I used to think the same thing. I like Pantera but I didn't like what was evolving out of their popularity. Great video as usual!
thank you,
I love Pantera and always will. But I do find it odd that Phil was/is so over the top obvious with his lyrics and stage presence when he evolved out of the Louisiana Sludge scene that featured awesome, yet intentionally cryptic, understated approaching bands like Acid Bath and Soilent green.
Metal didn't die. It's era as a fad just ended . Metal started underground, was a fad for five minutes. Then became irrelevant and returned to the underground
but it did die, it might have been revived since then.
Truer words have never been spoken
I totally agree with you and I was more into death metal which really kicked ass during that period.
Though I don’t agree with all the reasons in the video, I appreciate Ruthless Metal for having us discuss it. 80s trash metal died in the 90s because it reached the end of the genre at the peak of its popularity. New kids wanted new stuff. Metal in general did not die it evolved and spawned new forms (for good or bad).
-Glam/Pop Metal explosion started in 1983 with Quiet Riot and Def Leppard. Glam co-existed with Traditional Metal in the 80s, it was a gateway drug to more underground metal.
- By the early 90s, American Record labels figured it out that they can make more money with Rap and Techno so they pushed Traditional Hard Rock and Metal out of the mainstream. Its cheaper to record a guy rapping over a sampled beat than having 5 guys in a studio for months recording a metal album.
- In early '93, MTV changed its format to Rap/Dance/Techno/Alternative.
- Record labels started to drop metal bands from their roster. In' 93, Atlantic Records had dropped Savatage, Overkill, Manowar, Testament from their roster.
- Music media presented this as an "Alternative Revolution"
- In this period, 80s Hard Rock bands were ridiculed as 'hair bands' and 70s classic/Prog bands were ridiculed as 'dinosaur bands' so that people wouldn't demand those genres.
- Same thing didn't happen in South America, Japan and Europe where Metal continued to be popular thru the 90s.
yes, it was strange times.
Chaos AD is my favorite Sepultura Album
I think it was their fall from grace. :D
@@RuthlessMetalYT Let's agree to disagree
90's metal > 80's metal
Bravo!!! Excellent analysis. "The dumbing of metal" is the perfect definition of what took place in the 90ies and forced me to employ with bands I couldn't bear. Thank God there was at least this eruption of great Death Metal and later Black Metal bands happening, so at least 2 subgenres kept the idea of true metal alive. Think what you want. Back to the day a band like Morbid Angel or Mayhem was 10000x more metal than Machine Head or Limb Bizkit.
yes,
Even if one doesn't agree with you, I respect the fact that you are sticking to your guns. It's probably one of the reasons you got so many subscribers in short period of time.
or maybe that's why people have started to drop off. ;) I just can't sit here and promote everything equally, than there would be no meaning to my channel. I got to reason why something is good and why something else is bad. :)
@@RuthlessMetalYT Though I have been working on making my channel as big as I can for 2 hours a day for the past 3 years (not really an exaggeration) I cannot say how youtube's algorithm works.
But when you stand up for something that you truly believe in, even if it is unpopular, you will start to find more like-minded people and your channel will grow in my opinion. I just subscribed the other day because your 100 rules of thrash made me laugh out loud, but if this video had been my first introduction to your channel, I would have subbed for sure.