REVERSE DRS FOR DIRTY AIR? Opinions on the FIA's Announced 2026 F1 Regulations
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- Turning up the wings for a reverse DRS sounds like some cheat code from a video game, doesn't it? But the FIA wants it in to help cars follow closely and then set up an overtake. But on paper it sounds a bit too easy.
This along with other things means that the cars will be smaller, shorter, less reliant on ground effect and might be able to follow closer anyway. But it's all wait and see, isn't it?
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Okay, might have been a tad too optimistic about the whole synthetic fuel thing but it stops being otherwise miserable about stuff.
It’s healthier than drinking at least…
Well... 2030 would be like this... slimmer sidepods... return of naturally aspirated engines....
You can use the FIA renders, you just have to provide commentary and transform them.. by providing commentary. Now that is the fair use law, which isn't much use for you since you are a youtuber and yuutube uses algorithm that absolutely does not understand fair use because it is an algorithm. Fair use can only be detected by a human. This is clearly filling all the criteria but since youtube is a private company, they can and do make their own rules. No one can say they are too strict, only if they are too loose. I am so happy to not be a youtuber.
But synthetic fuels use a lot of energy to create?
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What a drip
I've been watching formula 1 for close to 50 years. I'm trying to recall when we had lots of close wheel to wheel racing throughout the field. I recall a few times in the early '80s and honestly that's about it. Ironically those were ground effect cars. That's not to say we didn't have some great man on man battles but this desire for NASCAR style passing throughout the field just doesn't seem feasible or desirable. Honestly the racing throughout the field, excluding Red Bull, is great right now.
I know F1 is much faster around circuits than Indycars, but they *look* so much slower to me. They look like lumbering beasts. Whereas Indycars look like they are skittery and quick, reminds me of F1 cars from like 1988-1994ish.
Same as nascar at a road course. They may be 10 sec slower but look better on the edge.
It also has to do with the way they film it, I think. Nowadays they tend to focus in on one car, covering the entire screen with it. In the 2000s they used more wide shots, where you can see other cars and static objects around them, which gives you more awareness of the actual speed of the cars
It’s mostly because F1 cars are easier to drive. Indycars are HEAVIER than F1 cars but are much much harder to drive. F1 cars need less downforce but if they wanna keep the downforce make them 150KG lighter. And also get rid of Pirelli. Bring back Bridgestone since their tyres are MUCH less temp sensitive
You're right. Big cars with so much grip that they don't slide look so much slower than cars which do move around on the limit, like we had in the past. Even if the telemetry shows the modern cars are Xmph faster through corners, they look slow.
One downside of so much downforce is when the car reaches the limit of grip it goes so suddenly, there's little margin left on the limits of grip for the car to slide.
(Increased weight and other things also contribute to that.)
@@timzy4395It use to be that F1 cars were lighter. Now, the current F1 cars weight about 100 lbs more (1,690 vs 1,788).
I've understood the rules differently to what you've described - I believe the 'x' and 'z' modes are mechanically like DRS, but not DRS-like in use, as they are always available, every lap. It seems they were required in order to boost the efficiency enough to ensure the electrical boost wasn't running out at the end of straights due to electrical recovery/storage limits. By default the car runs in z-mode for cornering performance but switches to x-mode on designated straights - I saw reported elsewhere that this was contentious with the teams who want the driver to control when to switch, whereas the FIA want it to be an automated system.
The DRS replacement is the 'Manual Override' mode (MOM?!) which is the increased energy budget (more power) down the straights granted when you're within 1sec, as you've described.
I have a concern that the active aero could prove a problem - the cars will be high downforce, creating the most dirty air through the corners, so making it harder to follow, then switch to low drag down the straights, weakening the 'normal' slipstream effect and making them... hard to catch - exactly the opposite needed to support 'natural' overtakes, and creating more reliance on the artificially triggered push to pass/MOM... Really hope to be proved wrong though
Most of the issue with dirty air is the out-wash - not directly created by the aero, but air flowing around the car, especially wheels. That's something they're trying to address by pushing this flow to in-wash, through the changes in the front wing, the collector-style Venturi thing and the flat floor extension towards the rear of the car.
I have the same understanding as you and the same concerns. And adjusting the allowable MOM for each straight so overtakes are possible but not inevitable sounds complicated to manage.
I think you're reading this right. The "DRS" is now the same for everyone and reduces the drag (and wake) on the straights while keeping the god-like downforce in the corners. With active aero there will be no worry that F2 or any other series will be faster.
The push to pass is like a party mode on the engine and is going to be a bit different than insta-pass-DRS because it can be capped at a top speed or programmed to taper off unlike current DRS that is either ON or OFF.
Hard to know what 2009 front wings with KERS with DRS-lite is going to do for the racing least the cars are slightly smaller and the tires are a bit narrower.
z-mode is like normal f1 car with a downforce/aero setup. x-mode is like "drs" but can be activated always in straights (im not shure if drivers can activate that in other parts risking to loose all grip just to gain some speed). Dirty air is definitely reduced. just look at one thing, front wing design. Is more like Indycar approach, doesn't have that much downforce and keeps as much as dirty air as possible directly to front tyres, so drivers behind aren't going to receive massive dirty air as current regulations
That would make sense considering F1 hasn’t really done anything to make the racing better. They’re focused on marketing and image.
I think one of the biggest things would be to go back to refueling so the cars could be smaller and lighter. That way they wouldn’t need such high downforce. Which would reduce the dirty air problems, and the cars being physically smaller gives more room to pass. Higher mechanical grip also makes it easier to pass because you don’t lose nearly as much grip like when it’s mostly aero dependent.
Love that F-Zero acknowledgement for the weird ass names for diff aero modes
Even easier overtaking on the straights would be dreadful. What we need is cars being able to battle through corners again
You have to get beside someone on a straight to battle through the corners my dude
We haven't seen that for longer than some F1 viewers have been alive tbf. BL that replied to you probably being one of them
@@StuntpilootStef Yep I'm 7 years old.
@@B__L You thinking I'm talking about races that recent only proves my point.
Google "dijon 1979 arnoux villeneuve" to see what I'm talking about.
IndyCar guy here. 1) great stuff 2) Just because it's "renewable" or "Sustainable" doesn't mean burning it will be easier on the environment -- we had that discussion re: ethanyol over in IndyCar. 3) Yes we can hope that some F1 tech finds it way to us, but been decades since it really has. What you see are MARKETING and ESG gambits, not a desire to make these fuels cheaper or better. In the end, the matrials for fuels has to come from somewhere, has to use energy to "refine" it to use, then more energy to transport it. Billion$ spent over 100 years to pursue alternatives to petrol, so far no go.
I see not adding to the existing stuff in the air to be a win tbh. 😅
Also, didn't F1 say one of the materials for those sustainable fuels was cobalt? Cause due to the videos we've seen on how cobalt is mined,shouldn't they take an alternative?
@@AidanMillward I agree, and sigh as I do.
You are so right! The only really environmentally friendly and sustainable fuel is hydrogen. If F1 used it then energy companies would invest in the technology to refine it in an energy sustainable way. This is the real route for automotive manufacturers not electric cars.
I'm not sure why the FIA aren't more visionary.
There’s already an excess of carbon in the atmosphere as it is, being able to at least reuse that in fuel to preserve ICE engines at some level would still be an environmental win. Marketing isn’t a bad thing, I’d argue IndyCar isn’t bigger because it can’t market itself. Also a lot of the anti-ESG movement is funded by big oil companies and not legitimate constructive complaints about ESG.
Close racing is what you get when the rules are stable for a few years. Everytime there's a major rule change you could park a train in the gaps that form between the teams...
You are 100% correct. F1 should not be changing the rules in 2026 for that reason and in my opinion the fact these rule changes looks like a dogs breakfast. Ferrari and McLaren have definitely got a lot closer to RB and it looks like Max will be challenged for this years championship. That definitely is the result of the rules not being changed and has allowed the teams to get their head around the current rules.
For the topics of Alt Fuels, Germany has certified one for Diesel, It's called Hydrated Vegetable Oil (HVO).
I know a guy in college who had his VW diesel running on filtered used fryer oil. That was 40 years ago.
Prince Charles has been running an Aston Martin on it or something similar for a while too.
@@tadroid3858 well HVO wherent even legal to use in Germany as a fuel. You could have been charged with Tax Evasion.
@@AidanMillwardand old Charlie has the royal train locos run on HVO when he takes that out
Top gear had a segment on this almost 25 years ago I remember. Cooking oil from a Mexican restaurant.
sry to burst your bubble
but the synthetic fuel won't happen outside from guys with too much money or motorsports (I think on the second one I said the same as before)
you need a lot of energy to transform it into synthetic fuel - and you take away biomass from other more efficient usages
and last but not least - biomass on earth is limited
I've done some consulting work with Waste biomass utilization, and there are avenues to make Synth gas from things like Pig manure, wich I hope you're not planning to use in any better way.
@@DonRaynor I don't know how to burst your bubble any less
But first you can use manure to fertilize and second manure is often used for creating electricity which is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more efficent usage than synthetic fuel
@@MarkusKoas-zx3er yes, and to use Manure as fertilizer you remove the lipids from it. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED FOR SYNTH FUELS.
@@DonRaynor I don't know if you're incapable to expand on more than one part of an argument but hey
Just for reference some numbers from studies from germany - synthetic fuels have an efficency from about 13% - making electricity and driving a car with the same is about 69%
See the "little difference"?
Not enough?
Okay then here is more
A study made by the eu commission says the production costs 3 to 6 times as much as fossil fuels - which obviously you would pay for
But hey the german government made a study claiming it would cost over 4,50 € per litre - in comparison "common" fuel costs about 1,70 to 2,00 nowadays and even better - the 4,50€ was before some of the last price spikes
Finally someone else who recognises the reality of the situation.
It's bad enough when companies lie to the public. But even worse when they start lying to themselves, as F1 are if they believe the crap they're saying.
The whole 'synthetic fuels' myth they're peddling is greenwashing crap, by petroleum companies and car manufacturers who want to keep carrying on as they are now. Synthetic fuels are possible, but only on a small scale. What the petroleum companies have planned for the masses are 'synthetic' fuels made from oil - basically petrol but more highly processed. It might burn cleaner, but it's still chucking fossil carbon into the atmosphere and may end up even worse as the additional processing will use more energy.
Now to use Z and X to set max drag for a corner and then press Push to Pass and sling shot…
Well hopefully the reduction in weight will mean teams can now fully paint their cars. Cleaner looking lines might result in better liveries 👍🏻
We lost to the bots...
Aiden is simping for 2026 regs. He's wrong.
the dead internet theory comes into mind.
I guess I misunderstood when I read about this elsewhere but, I thought they could use it even when they’re not overtaking. In my brain, P2 starts using z-mode(?) in a corner (this will sound REALLY goofy coming from a commentator) and P1 can just, start using it too, except P1 has no dirty air to deal with, usually.
Though, even if it is P2 only in that case, the extra hybrid sounds a bit OP.
Edit: I love these new fuel sources that are just a bunch of recycling. Anything that keeps the cars that make the vroom noises as sustainable as possible.
The aero stuff very much reminds me of the front wing adjustments that could be used (and were mostly useless thanks to blown and double diffusers) in 2009 & 2010, but I assume you'll be able to change the aero more than twice a lap at some tracks
I guess that active suspension will never be used on F1 cars to alleviate the bumpiness so that it is not so tough on the drivers. SMH
I would love if the following changes were made to "DRS" or "active aero" or whatever system naming they chose to use:
1) it can be used anywhere, any time, by any driver (maybe minus select blacklisted zones; radillon being the reason DRS zones were added, okay keep that and similar sections blacklisted)
2) it is driver controlled
3) it is analogue. Let a trigger on the wheel or something gradually open the aero flaps, let the drivers chose to only use 50% deployment going in to a corner then open up to 73% open before going 100% for the straights. go 0% open/fully closed on the brakes then 20% accellerating through the next corner. let drivers have preference in their driving styles, let drivers be risky as they may chose to go for less downforce around a corner than the person behind to keep the top speed up letting them defend more...
The fully renewable fuels is a great thing to see for 2030, I can only hope the UK government comes to their senses for once and instead of banning internal combustion engines outright they move to ban the sale of fossil fuels instead. I dont think putting all the eggs in one basket again is going to work out well, diversify what cars run on across several drastically different energy sources, Hydrogen, Biofuel, Electric, etc, why force just one again and miss out on all the potential the others may have. I hope the world will see that in the newer regs. Isnt WEC already on fully renewable? made from byproducts of the alcohol industry? cmon, just let us.
1 and 2 are apparently both true to some extent. The driver controls when the car switches modes, and everyone has access to the modes at all times in certain zones (pretty sure Aiden misread the release on this one). Item 3 would probably be a bit too much complexity, considering the amount of things they already have to manage between diff settings, brake balance, anti-roll bars, and hybrid deployment.
the sustainable fuel thing is excellent. Mazda did a test this year where they took an MX-5 on 100% suastainable fuel on a 1000 mile UK road trip and took it around a few tracks. That excites me as I own an MX-5. Nice to see F1 embracing it as it will help bring it to market quicker as the technologies are already getting there
Thanks for the insight Aiden! As always, one of the most honest and informative F1 voices on the tube. These new regs seem like they have the potential to do well, I just hope that F1 doesn't regulate themselves to death and ruin competition. If there is an X and Z mode, then drivers should be able to control it freely and not be bound to specific areas. The override mode should have no rules attached. You have it, use it at your discretion. It will add a whole new level of strategy and engineering to the race. These drivers and teams are supossedly the best in the world. Let them prove it and let them race
You guys do realise that removing drag will remove drafting, right? All this is gonna do is making overtaking impossible. Less drag means a smaller hole in the air for the car behind to use to draft, all the while the leading car has basically nothing to slow it down.
"But the overtake button!" And? The car ahead can push it to defend.
We need to ADD drag. Like the handford device in CART. Drafting back then meant 30-40kph more speed when following someone. This active DRS is basically just to hide how slow the cars will be.
I am foreseeing a future with two-man F1 cars: a pilot and an electronics officer.
No they will be remotely driven for 'safety"
That would be hilarious. Just like the old days if you think about it, a driver and a riding mechanic.
Russell is already complaining the new car will so fast that safety needs to be looked at. I guess he wont be doing any Indy 500 qualifying runs any time soon.
1.42 to fill up. You're lucky, it's 1.52 near me (OK, 1.48 if you're willing to going further afield at the supermarkets but it's a distance to get there)
Aero changing race cars, huh? May I introduce you to an anime called Cyber Formula.
Just want to say people expected something crazy like the machines in the series, yet we cooled our heads and think this is too outrageous. So it took another fictional race car instead…yeah, the power unit/engine part really need a big improvement soon.
Yes! I thought of Cyber Formula as soon as he started talking about the aero shifting. Funnily enough, there's a Cyber Formula game on Steam, which features a version of the mechanic in action; you switch between 2 aero modes on the fly, where the alternate straight-line variant grants you a substantially higher top speed, at the expense of almost your entire ability to turn the car. The idea itself is rather video game-ey, though definitely something I could see feasibly being implemented.
You're use isn't commercial. It's education and transformative
I know everyone has to do content, but all this is meaningless until we actually see cars racing under these specs. And even then it'll take time to mature. But then what happens is that things mature, we get towards convergence with proper racing beginning to happen and.....oh yeah, they change the spec.............
And as we know F1 teams will tweak around the rules to make these pronouncements absolutely laughable.
Fun fact: in Super GT, they've been running the CNF, the Carbon Neutral Fuel, since last year in a couple of tests, and now it's used in the official proper.
I find it frustrating that F1 could just use a Push to Pass system like Indycar (use it anywhere, but you have a limit for the entire race), but they don't want to "copy" Indycar, and instead would rather have these silly gimmicks and unnecessary requirements.
"Oh, you want to use your ERS? Well you need to be within one second of the guy in front, be above 180 miles an hour, not used more than a certain predetermined amount per lap, must be inside a pre-approved area that _we_ think would be optimal, sent Andretti hate mail within the last 20 minutes. . . "
They sorta have already copied IndyCar or more specifically, Champ Car, with the tire rules requiring a soft and hard tire to be used during a race.
@@polycube868 Don't be ridiculous! It is obviously a Formula 1™ Completely Original™ Idea™ that was never done before!
@@Dat-Mudkip 😂🤣
Just gonna say... Canam did it in the 70's. But the best Anime for this is Future Cyber Formula GPX. Theres also the current series Highspeed Etoilla, but that is not nearly as good
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Jesus. The bots are out in force today….
Anyway on these regs… The new cars look good! Got a 2000s vibe about them, (if the 2000s cars overate that is). They aren’t much smaller or lighter and I do wonder how much of a difference 30kg will actually make?
The major annoyance seems to be these 2026 hybrids… If these new hybrids are this much of a problem then why didn’t they just keep the current hybrids minus the MGU-H as they are removing it anyway? Going forward 100% sustainable fuels will hopefully mean the hybrids will be yeet’d into the Abyss. It’d also save more weight. Tho the override thingy seems like the old KERS system on steroids. Which i’m in favour of. A “push to pass” system can’t be any worse than the DRS trains we get.
On the active aero, I don’t get why they aren’t just keeping it the simple one element letterbox design they have now rather than creating 3 different elements? Seems to be an unneeded extra headache. As for the active front wing aero I’m all in favour of it. As long as the active aero is controlled by the drivers then it gets my thumps up. Also if the floors are going to be this flatter again, can we taper them to the rear body work of the car. Gives it a wired unfinished look. It’s a thing about f1 cars that’s always bugged me.
On the cars getting slower, I seem to remember there was all this doom & gloom around the 2022 regs and those cars being slower than the F2 cars then and that didn’t happen. They clawed a big chunk of the expected lost downforce back from 2021 to 2022 before a wheel was turned in Bahrain 2022. The designers and engineers will come up with something to negate the expected loss of lap time. Even if they are 2 or 3 seconds slower than the current F1 cars, if it gives us better racing then I’m more than fine with it. The F1 pole was 13 second quicker than the F2 pole at Imola this year. They will have absolutely soiled the bed if they end up being slower than the F2 cars in 2026. I can’t see it happening.
TLDR: 1 set forward, 1 step back and 3 steps sideways
In Louisiana im paying 2
$2.65 per gallon, the highest its gotten here in the past 10 years is $4.20ish per gallon for regular unleaded gasoline. It helps to have most of the American refineries in Louisiana 😊
This is why I laugh when Americans start losing their shit over petrol prices.
The prices you’re paying we haven’t paid since the 80s. And 60% of it is tax.
@@AidanMillward yea man, i never complained about that living here in Louisiana
"Most of the downforce loss is from making the ground effect less powerful, and reducing the strength of the diffusers." Ohh okay, so we are just reverting the change toward ground effect that was supposed to reduce dirty air, and promote close racing in order to reduce dirty air and promote close racing.
Right, makes sense. THIS time we figured it out.... honestly!...
I may be a bit slow but congrats on 100K 👏
Interesting, I liked when the Indy was on the race calender because F1 and Indy/USAC/Cart cars were more similar and world wide interest was higher. And I liked tp be able to directly compare the cars, "World's Fastest" all that stuff.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Formula one's gonna change the weather by using poopy fuel ? Umm ok?😂
30kg less is such a disappointment, 100kg would have been exciting. While I'm at it a return of the flywheel hybrid LMP1 used to use so the cars could have absolutely ballistic acceleration out of the corners. This new hybrid system sounds soulless, although I would be happy for it to prove me wrong.
Now if they had taken the Wave Disruptor from Wipeout, that would have been REALLY exciting...
I‘m doing Formula Student as an aerodynamicist right now and regarding the new active aero: I rather like it. We had active aerodynamics on our car last year (DRS and an active Front Wing Flap). The DRS could only be manually activated but the front wing flap was speed controlled: In Slow corners we increased the angle of attack to get more grip to the front and in high speeds we decreased the angle of attack to have less oversteer. Interestingly enough, decreasing the angle of attack of the front wing flap had almost no effect on total drag of the car so the front wing flap could only be used to change the aero balance. As F1 cars have less chunky aero than Formula Student cars though I expect there may be some drag reduction effect in decreasing the angle of attack at the front wing.
Regarding the whole regulations I‘m a bit disappointed in the FIA as the rules are going to be a bit tighter regarding technical development. As we have a budget cap to make the cars more different from each other, the FIA could just make an open rulebook with safety standards and budget cap being mandated. A bit like LMP1 used to be but without the ultra high budgets
I remember 40-ish years ago when gas was $1.09/gal (US). For the UK, with taxes, it would be more like 0.45 pounds per liter (adding in the 100% VAT in the UK).
VAT is 20% though...
@@AidanMillward Gas is roughly $3.50/gal here (after Maryland state taxes, of course), which is roughly double your figure. I heard off Top Gear that there was an effective 100% tax on gas to encourage transit use in UK, and that jived with your conversion in the video.
With advancements in Fusion, before you know it we’ll have a Mr. Fusion running the cars.
If it worked in fallout it can work here.
put the mguk in the front axle, then it will be much better for recharging and less brake and less battery will be needed for the same out put since it can charge faster
There's no room up there for it. And don't even think about mentioning hub motors, those things massively increase unsprung mass and would ruin the handling of the cars to the point that they might be faster on some circuits without the motors in place.
The other teams would reject it because of Audi.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 the losses from the hub motors would be more than made up for out of the corners and with a reduced battery, plus torque vectoring would be massively relevant to road cars and they could drag themselves back to the pits with an engine failure
@@Andre_The_Millennial because they are the highest level motor sports that hate competition
@@tturi2You're dramatically underestimating the impact of unsprung weight on a car. Let's assume the electric motors are each about half as powerful as the ones found in Formula E, and weigh about half as much. That's an extra 10kg per wheel, instantly doubling the mass of each wheel, assuming you can even fit them into the current wheels without making them larger and even heavier still. That's going to have a massive effect on suspension effectiveness, make the poor ride quality of the current cars even worse, on top of killing any hope of a return to the brutally sharp responses of older cars. There's a reason none of the Hypercars run hub motors.
It sounds to me like the idea of the boost is to get you close enough for an overtake to be on but getting it done is on the driver. I hope I'm not wrong cos that sounds good.
Great job explaining the details. With every analysis I see of these regulations I'm understanding stuff more clearly. My question is, have the teams recieved the details and maybe a draft or finished technical regulation document on this? Do you think, this is final? I sense this will be postponed for 2027 and they'll tweak a few things.
The way how they described the active aero kind of reminds me of the SRT Tomahawk from Gran Turismo. Seeing them finally adopt active aerodynamics like this is interesting considering how they avoided it for so long on safety grounds: a wing failure on a high speed corner will be disastrous. Many drivers died due to rear wing failures at high speeds, the example that often comes to my mind is Bruce McLaren's fatal crash at Goodwood in 1970 which was caused by the rear bodywork of his prototype car coming off. I also wonder if this new active aero will drive up the costs of the cars as they'll probably hire companies like the ones that made the electronics for the active aerodynamics for the Bugatti Veyron to help them make the active aero F1 wings. Plus these new regs might lead to more people to downplay certain drivers' wins by saying "oh they only won because they had better aero on their cars" (yes, I know people do that already but there might be even more of them showing up when these new regs come into effect).
I suspect the active elements will be set up the same way DRS is now, so if an actuator fails it defaults back to the high downforce setting.
Think of it this way. A 2009-2010 style adjustable front wing. Those worked fine. And a DRS-lite back wing that instead of opening like a giant letterbox and going from all the downforce to none it's a more subtle change. They figured out how to make the current DRS wings fail to high downforce mode so even if the actuator snaps off the airflow shuts the wing automatically. I don't think the costs are going to be anything since they have done all this before.
F1 has a fascinating way of making everything especially complicated. This facilitates team's ability to find loopholes.
I want the cars fast as possible, to me that’s what F1 is about. The 17-20 cars were amazing and you can see the difference especially in person. You can not make a car going 250kph in turns not displace air it’s not possible. Look at the 22 rigs it’s stupid.
The 2004 cars set lap records that stood for over a decade before the 2017 regs came into effect (some of those lap records are still standing). But most people don't want the cars to break lap records again because the actual racing during the 2004 season was dreadful. The 2020 and 2021 seasons had good races but the cars not being able to follow each other after an overtake was annoying to watch. During the 2022 season battles for position lasted longer and had multiple cars fighting for position unlike in 2017-2021 where the battles lasted until the overtake happened or was denied and so they were short-lived by comparison.
If a car was as fast as possible... no driver would to be able to withstand the G-force and there would be no tire supplier because the tires would blow up. Oh yeah and death. Alot of death.
Ground effect was supposed to make following better and passing more common, but DRS meant that great passes were no longer needed since they could just wait for a DRS zone and get by. Now they are reducing ground effect which makes following harder again, but still has a pseudo-DRS. Yeah, not buying it will make much of a difference.
Smaller, sexier, lighter cars that move more sounds appealing at least.
I don't really get the active aero, seems a bit gimmicky, but I guess we'll see. But why don't we get active suspension? It would solve the stiffness problems and the proposing. Drivers would get more consistent downforce from the floor, thus putting the emphasis on ground effect rather than overbody downforce. I mean active suspension was litterally developed with groundeffect in mind, the technology Just wasn't there yet.
Banned because it would be too cost prohibitive for the other manufacturers to catch up to Williams. But then they mandate hybrid systems that cost too much just to eliminate them a few seasons later. The fia really can talk out both sides of its mouth.
Active suspension is arguably much more dangerous in the event of a failure than active aero. A catastrophic failure of an aero actuator, if set up properly, defaults to the highest available setting as the element slams back down, and can easily be detected and compensated for by closing the other elements to maintain balance. If the hydraulic system supporting a wheel fails, that entire corner of the car collapses entirely, with no way to compensate for that failure.
Nobody in the comments understands the regs. Some of the things they're doing are absolutely jaw dropping. Roughly 0 people have noticed. The aero crowd will pick up on it soon.
TLDR. In the sim Max was noticing he lost so much straight speed due to battery cutting out he was downshifting by the end of the straight. As in 8 gear down to 7-6. So yes they are doing things with engine modes and whatnot. But the renders of the new rear wing actually go NEUTRAL TO LIFTING when the DRS is open. As in the car will stop generating topside downforce, and rely entirely on underfloor. This will make the cars incredibly slippery on the straights.
Most of the problems people are sxreaming about, and even the promotional video, were on early versions of the regs. The latest regs in most videos are ~v7 and release will be ~v10+ from what I heard.
These cars will be truly wildly different. In a lot of ways they will be Formula E1. To my mind, allowing FE such a long contract for electric will kill F1. Caveman "muh ICE" people are definitely helping that death along. And these rules are trying to hybridize F1 and FE way too late in the game. But it is an attempt.
I have been ranting this for decades on how to bring back slipstreaming. In the 80's and early 90's the part called the COKE BOTTLE that is where body merges into rear tires. Slipstreaming came from vacuum in this area. The designers go in the wind tunnel and say how can we make vacuum smaller. Simple slope body down, Just look at sidepods the ends slope to floor. This means all the clean air is hogged over car and if you follow there is little clean air over front wing. Ie loosing downforce. Just have FIA make a reg that limits airo on coke bottle. It will be as blocky as a Volvo but you will have slip stream. Long story short teams have to much control over airo.
Can't find any reference anywhere about low drag X-Mode only deployable when within 1-sec of the car infront (which you mentioned) on that FIA link. The five or six articles I read elsewhere do not mention that either. X and Z modes aren't meant as overtaking aids, rather they're just to ensure the car performs well in general because the new hybrid engines are less powerful than the current ones (in the sense that it has to charge more often because the ICE has been nerfed despite the actual improved energy recovery, larger deployment and larger battery). They're there to compensate for the more electrified powerunits.
Also, it's not been confirmed yet that Manual Override can only be used within 1 second. Some articles have mentioned that's the expectation but the FIA haven't finalized it yet.
I thought the low drag mode wasn't limited in any way other than straights only so there won't be any questions of whether the overtaken car can turn on x-mode, they'll already be in x-mode i.e. it's not meant to be an overtaking aid anymore, it's just there to reduce fuel consumption without losing too much lap time. only the power boost will be an overtaking aid and probably will be a weaker one than DRS currently is thanks to A) the taper off rule and B) there will probably be a limit to how much they can use it anyway because they can only recover so much charge in a lap.
We've reached a tipping point in terms of downforce. Ultimately, if you lift up alot of air to push the car down, cars in the back have less air to also create downforce, wich leads to being harder to follow. We need less downforce on the corners and more mechanical grip. This way, the ratio between mechanical and aero grip moves more in favour to mechanical grip. Think about the earlier f1s that didnt have aero, they could follow really close because the mechanical grip was very high compared to the aero grip, wich wasnt there yet
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Burning synthetic fuel pumps virtually the same amount of carbon dioxide and other chemicals into the atmosphere. It's not cleaner than fossil fuels. The difference is you aren't introducing carbon dioxide that's been locked underground for millions of years back into the environment and thus increasing the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere which contributed to global warming.
Yeah and it's not going to be cheaper either
@@Verbal91That depends on two factors. How scarce fossil fues get and how efficient alternative energy sources become. I could imagine the equation flipping in favor of synthetic fuels over the next couple decades.
The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is only 0.04%. Any less and plant life will begin to die, or is that what the 'elite' wants?
The new electric assist seems almost like nitrous out of need for speed.
On "rules of engagement" of the new wings...
It seems like they are available, at all times to all drivers and the overtake assist will come from the higher output from the MGU-H
The way I understood that slick and slimy FIA commercial that used the word "nimble" so often that I fear we get literal trains, was:
Everyone always, regardless of position gets the x/z thing. I see it more like active suspension in the early 90s, than like recent drs. It's not an overtaking aid it's just some thing they do, because they can, I guess? (If it'll be implemented at all, let's see).
But the thing that the DRS does now, will be done by the "push to pass" thingy.
In a best case scenario this could mean instead of overtakes in Autobahn cameo you might get a driver using it for a better exit or something. It could (I'm carefull, because I don't trust the FIA in ruling over things, especially Motorsport) enable a driver to use it whenever it's in his best interest. If you're car has better cornering grip and traction than the other car, which might have the advantage on the straights, you could use it to get in position and then have the advantage out of the corner. Sounds cool, probably doesn't quiet happen^^ Let's see.
At the very least I hope it will lead to more DNFs for a while, the horrible reliability is worse for the sport than the big boat cars. I know, cost cap and all that, but make at least some parts of the cars shitty, so that they start breaking down again. Every race where 20 cars (or 20- magnussen and sargent) finish feels just inappropriate. If all the cars finish, the races are to short, should be a test for the driver and the machine.
Screw active Aero and all that 1940s tech, force them (all 13 teams!!!) to use 20 moving or electronic parts from Ali-express or temu in their car and then make monaco 103 laps again and the calendar 20 races long.
Bam! F1 fixed! ;)
Yes. The active aero is the same for everyone and it just gives everyone low drag mode for more efficiency and better lap times compared to an equivalent fixed-aero car.
I think/hope you are right about the boost button. The problem with current DRS is that it's over powered, never runs out and it can only make you faster within the DRS zone half way down the straight. Theoretically extra horsepower could be used anywhere, a hairpin corner exit, around the outside of a sweeper, through Eau Rouge and Raidillon - and the battery isn't infinite. You won't be able to deploy the boost, then deploy it again like the double DRS zones with one detection line we have now.
Ideally if there are 2 cars coming out of the last corner at Interlagos the one behind mashes the boost on corner exit and they drag race up the hill ending up side by side into the Senna S. If car 1 comes out behind they will then have boost to get back alongside and continue the fight through 3 and 4. If car 2 is still behind after the S they probably have no battery left and will stay side by side rather than getting a DRS style auto-overtake on the second straight. In theory.
...yeah, so personally, I think that hybrid stuff for '26 isn't quite complicated enough yet. As long as there are still some casual viewers out there who could even hope to follow how that stuff is supposed to work, it's simply not "sophisticated" enough.
(Oh and if fuel prices wouldn't get absolutely hammered with extra taxes and fees, it would be nowhere near as painful to refuel...it'll still get more and more expensive in the long run, of course.)
I'd say the latest regulations did work, until Mercedes started whining they couldn't get their cars to stop porpoising and the FIA raised the ride heights, which undid a bunch of the aero changes that were meant to get cars closer together. Also reducing ground effect to get closer racing doesn't really make sense, since Indy cars have had mountains of ground effect for decades and a car can follow so close the driver can read the serial numbers off the engine of the car ahead of him.
I'm fairly certain its up to the team to tweak the aero balance through the practice sessions. It would be a part of Parc Ferme. Concept is quite wild, I'm hoping execution matches their hype.
Less drag on the straight makes for harder overtaking due to less splistream power
Again, creating a problem that doesnt need to exist, great work fia
12:45 HVO100 is available already, nonetheless right now Synthetic fuels are expensive too because it's way more difficult to produce, especially in the masses we need.
I thought our gas in Kentucky at $3.15 was expensive… oh man I feel for you.
Yeah. You’re all losing your shit over petrol prices we haven’t paid since the 80s.
Yeah, a lot of my fellow Americans that have never left the country have no idea.
@@ryanfraley7113 got a mate in New Jersey who said you lot get absolutely fucked on your income taxes and all sorts of other stuff so your gas prices are cancelled out effectively.
I really wish they'd just do away with all of the Formula E and hybrid stuff and just get on with the WipEout and F-Zero stuff for F1 and Indy respectively. But that is only Sci-Fi... for now.
one thing for me with DRS is you can use it to defend by getting it from the backmarker in front if this was removed it would work better as you do not need it with the back marker as they get blue flag
Sounds pretty good overall, I'm glad the FIA seems to be listening, and if that new synthetic fuel is truly as green as they say rather than some greenwashing rubbish, and will be affordable one day, then that's fantastic!
My only real gripe is that they only managed to cut 30kg? They need to be at the very heaviest 700kg MAX. Where is all that weight going? They only weighed about 650kg before 2017?!?!? The cars haven't even remotely been 'deathtraps' since....well at a push, Ralf Schumacher's USA 2004 crash? But that was on a banked speedway at 200+mph. What gives?
The "Less of the crap that gets thrown up into the atmosphere" thing about fuels it it's usually the NOx that causes issues, or petrol particulates. Those will probably remain the same for these synthetic fuels. I doubt we will ever get synthetic fuels for a decent price.
Id like to see high reving ice if about 500hp and unlimited brake energy recovery. Noise and efficiency and innovation that will be used.
Hello Aiden! It has been ages since I've taken a dive into what's happening in the world of F1 motor sport!! Very interesting video! Great job.
Watch the best 2026 car have the same amount of downforce in "X-aero" than the worst car in "Z-aero" 😂
These aren't the worst rules, though I'm looking forward to the V-8 Diesels with no front wing.
Sounds like there will be no overtaking what so ever outside the zones designated by the FIA, even more so than with DRS. And an overtake will be even more of a formality given the electrical power limit regulations. On a long straight, a pass will be guaranteed. On tracks with shorter straights... unless they start tweaking the speeds per circuit, it could have little or no effect.
I just feel it's gonna end up like Lewis's brake magic button was left on. With all these things added
Synthetic fuel. I believe the Germans know all about synthetic fuel.
Sounds more like fire up the corn mash stills, and bringing back pit stop refueling, like INDY CAR.
What’s methanol up to these days?
I honestly would like some p2p system that will allow drivers to defend as well, but have a limited usage time to allow for some strategy.
The synthetic fule will be dumping basically as much stuff into the atmosphere as standard fuel.
The benefit is, over all it's net zero. They are not getting new carbon out of the ground and pumping it into the atmosphere. The carbon gets taken out of the atmosphere when making the substance for the fuel, so what goes back into the atmosphere isn't extra it's just part of the cycle.
Much like water, rain comes out of the atmosphere, gets used, evaporated back into the atmosphere, and then dropped back on us to use. Over and over again.
Better than adding I guess. By fuel standards it’s already better.
@AidanMillward For sure it's a great step in the right direction.
The main thing they need to be focused on is where they get the power to create the fuel.
It's less good if it's a coal power plant providing the energy. If some how they can make or use a nice solar farm then it really does become a pretty green choice.
Modern fuels in modern engines burn pretty cleanly. Which is why the focus has become some heavily in the direction of carbon.
You may well remember all the noise that was made about acid rain back in the long ago.
With modern engines, air metering and pretty accurate fuel injection. Internal combustion engines are an awful lot cleaner than they use to be. If they run too lean and hot then Nox emissions go through the roof. But for the most part that's under control too. So it's mostly carbon that is the enemy these days.
Bring back the 2012 tyres. That is all.
I have been saying for eons to allow Active Suspension back in to optimize the Aero and introduce Driver Adjusting Front Wing (DAFW) to counter for the loss of Air from following the car in front, the DIRTY Air. If you are closer into a corner, you then have a greater chance of NATURAL overtaking down the straight. The End!
By 2030, every team will be required (under the salary cap) to employ a herd of cows, so that the manure can be brewed into tasty methane fuel.
As much as the active aero seems gimmicky, if it leads to competitive racing with positions swapping back and forth, seems like it can only be a positive. As much as the driver may have too much to do, being given more ways to gain and defend positions should be a positive.
You have a 2006 Corsa? Does it have a wet footwell by any chance? Mine features its own pond.
People keep trying to buy it 😅
@@AidanMillward Really? I'm pretty sure I couldn't pay someone to take mine away. Mind you, for some reason I want to keep it 😂
Aidan, if you're interested, I've just started working on a 2026 Reg 3D Model that I'm going to be using to whip up some concept liveries (I have some of my other work in LawVS' Discord atm) Once its done if you'd like access to use it I'm more than happy to let you use it, should it be up to standards etc :)
We need looser regulations to promote differences like the 80s. Engine configuration and aero.
Get rid of front wings, lengthen the sidepods, and move the venturi section of the underfloor forward, as it was in the ground effect cars of the late 70's early 80's. You wont need front wings to generate downforce, as the centre of pressure will be moved further forward. You wont get dirty air washing over the front wing reducing downforce, well as there is no wing. It will stop the inwash/outwash concept. Cars will be able to follow through corners much more closely, look to the past to go forward. You don't need stupid gimmicks.
As long as we have lift (downforce) we have drag, induced drag, therefore vortices that generate dirty air. Aero changes alone are useless, the FIA should work towards bringing more variety in strategy too: bring back refueling (safety concerns are BS, every motorsport with more than one stint has refueling and people are safe, you can refuel safely AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE RULES), bring back less durable tires and make them work at sensibly different temperatures, bring back LESS COMPLEX PUs and aero. I don't care if it's a V6, a V8, a V10, a V12, a W16 or a jet engine, they must be simpler, same goes for the aero, 2010 and 2012 should be taken as examples.
so they decided to go from motorsport to arcade racing. how har is it to understand that a car doesn't need as much downforce if it's lighter
Wasn't the whole point of underfloor downforce that it is less sensitive to dirty air than front wing aero? Now they're going back to front wing, purely because Mercedes have been crying rather than figuring out how to build a decent car. SMH
It wasn’t just Mercedes. McLaren and Haas were also struggling in the early period with drivers saying they were concerned about the drivers’ spines and stuff with drivers reporting nerve problems.
But becuase to was Mercedes everyone just jumped on them.
Creating the fuel from waste food doesn't mean the cars aren't going to be exhausting pollution.
Yes and no, as far as I can understand... It turns burning fuel into a near closed system
Plants suck in carbon to grow, they are then burnt and release that carbon back into the atmosphere...
Obviously this isn't a pure conversion and other substances would be produced along the way, but the difference is that when we burn oil, those chemicals were locked away and now are released... It's like adding 10% of particulates instead of 100%
It's basically a massive reduction in gas emissions so much so that the problem becomes manageable by other methods as well
Nobody gives a shit that they're polluting. It's a tiny amount. All stuff about clean exhausts etc is just for public image and to be seen to be doing the right thing.
@@paulreilly3904 If you're still burning something to power the car when you're using biofuels then you might not be doing the right thing.
And characterising biofuel exhaust as being good for asthmatics to breath in is 100% wrong.
Wasn’t there a very simple, banned, active (technically not) aero system that reduced drag in a very reliable way? I think it was called the f-duct. What if that was scaled up and/or multiplied to reduce drag or increase downforce across different regions of the car by simply unblocking a duct or adjusting the opening of the duct with a very simple system, maybe operated both by electric and hydraulic actuator or something. I know it would get complicated, but I think it could be done in a way where not a lot of force would be needed to adjust the airflow through specified ducts and with multiple ducts, or some manifold sort of thing, the effect of airflow through the ducts could be easily adjusted for better balance. There’s probably a bunch of good reasons why this isn’t a decent idea, but it would be new and interesting if workable.
The f duct became drs.
Whenever I hear about active aero, I always think "Fancar"
I really like this video about the thing you mentioned during the last video about the other thing while discussing the other thing that you forgot to about because you were talking about a diffent thing.
Why not drop a barrel of oil, dukes of hazard style?
But will synthetic fuel be better for your engine is my question I don’t mind paying more for petrol if it’s the healthiest thing for my car and keeps it running longer.
The synth-fuel stuff seems like performative bollocks. You're still burning something, so it's not zero emissions, it just means we're waiting months rather than millennia for a top off. On top of that, it does nothing to make flying cars and crews into 24 gran prix more sustainable, it just makes the on track stuff sustainable
The aviation (and shipping) industry will presumably switch to (technically) carbon neutral synthetic fuel when there is enough regulatory and/or public pressure (unless battery electric planes are feasible). Predicting 50, 100, 200, 500, 1000 years into the future is hard after all! The change from sail ships to steam and then combustion ships happened less than 200 years ago itself, no?
@12:45 Your UK Fuel Prices. The devil is in which gallon you used. And the grade - which you don't mention.
At 7th June 2024 with £1 buying US$1.27
£1.42 / litre. That's £5.42 / US Gall £6.74 / UK Gall
US$1.80/ litre $6.85 / US Gall $8.57 / UK Gall
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Same date in the US and allowing for variations between the 50 states. Price ranges from $2.90-$4.92 (a function of transportation and local state gas taxes). The US Average for "Regular" 82 Octane (2 star) containing 10% ethanol derived from corn:
US$0.88/litre $3.35 / US Gall $4.19 / UK Gall
£0.69/litre £2.64/ US Gall £3.30 / UK Gall
If more passing is what fia is going for, why not heavily restrict aero and make the tires bigger. Single plane wing w/o flaps, no endplate cutouts.
Also. These bots are getting out of control.
How hard is to take the blueprints of a 2000 F1 car and make that the 2026 regulations?
Quite. Otherwise they’d have done that by now.
You'd have to add the halo, larger front & rear crash structures (noting crash test severity goes up another 20-30% in 2026 compared to 2024), larger minimum cockpit dimensions and so on to the 2000 car though. At which point you end up back close to where you are now, just with 3L V10s, grooved tyres and refuelling.
I assume you realise it, but a 2000 car is so far away from meeting 2024 crash regulations let alone 2026 crash regulations. Tubs back then weighed 50-60kg, whereas now they weigh upwards of 140kg as they are much stronger (and physically larger to help taller drivers fit) now. The increase in minimum dimensions and crash test requirements in 2022 alone added about 20kg compared to 2021.
12:20 synthetic fuels isn’t the same as renewable fuels. You can make synthetic fuels from coal as well and it will still put carbon dioxide and NO2 in the air it’s just that if you take CO2 from plants that live now it is already in the system m and if you regrow those plants you will have a net zero loss. It isn’t much about air pollution like NO2 and SO2 and particles so biofuels won’t be much better for cities or your lungs because modern car fuels isn’t high in Sulfur and catalytic converters in road cars also help with things like that
It sounds a lot like drs but with an added ers boost to me, the car in front reduces dirty air, the chasing car removes some downforce temporarily gaining straightly speed and gets an ers boost in the process.
Remember when the fia was gonna trial no-drs races in 2023 and 2024 only to phase the system out entirely by 2025? So much for that, i think people are celebrating too early.
The more i learn about the politics behind these regs the less excited i am, it also feels like the fia is already starting to phase ground effect out and moving back towards over-body aero which makes less sense than usual.
Personally i dont think drs is the issue its track design, Spa, monza and others like silverstone have always had plenty of overtaking opportunities OUTSIDE of th3 drs zones, but the FIA loves these shitty, tight, twisty Tilke-dromes that leave the only real overtaking opportunity at the end of the drs zones.
The reliance on automated systems is making it seem more car than driver, no?