I love the cover for "The Legend of MAX", it's like an eldritch song that's hidden from the public, many would go mad knowing its unholy BPM and stopping mid-song to drop your combo.
*WHY DO YOU NEED KONAMI ORIGINAL SONGS?* I think back to Max Period often. It's an absolutely perplexing song. Konami released a home console mix which included Max Period as its final boss song. The song itself is in no way a paragon of technical, musical, or gameplay innovation. In fact, it appears to be a spit in the face to players. Technically, the song is mostly a mashup of prior DDR songs put together seemingly hastily (Max300, Paranoia, Healing Vision Angelic Mix, and Maxx Unlimited), with some vocals and sound effects added. Musically, it feels disjointed, with each section feeling unfinished before abruptly transitioning to the next with little care for key changes or tempo. Gameplay, the step chart is a copy-paste of previous songs. Also, the Paranoia section is off-beat -- too much so to be unintentional. With the ease with which the song can be dismantled into parts, we can reasonably conclude that Max Period is intentionally poor quality. *But why? Why is it intentionally bad?* I have to turn to the only remaining part of the song to find answers: the lyrics. Repeated throughout the song is the question, *Why do you need Konami Original songs?* The inflection and tone of the question is left ambiguous, leaving us to guess the mindset of its artist. Here are three possibilities I've considered: *HATE* Maybe the Konami Original team made this song because they're angry at their loyal playerbase for abandoning ship to Roxor. Maybe they hate that they poured so much effort and soul into their songs, yet KaW's 3-hours-effort 2-chord generic works sold a mix just as well as their work. Maybe they feel unappreciated. Maybe the question they're asking is, *"Why do you, the players, still need us when you'll spend just as much on crap?"* *CONFUSION* Maybe the Konami Original team was confused as to why they were even being hired for another mix. Maybe the home console release took them by surprise. Maybe they didn't understand what value they could add to get another home console release. Maybe the question is, *"We don't add value to the lives of DDR players, do we? You actually like us? Want us? Need us? Why?"* *BUDGET* Producing a new arcade release of DDR was time-consuming and expensive for Konami. The lawsuit made it even worse. Maybe the Konami Original team was being paid so little to make songs that the work they used to love had become grindingly stressful. Maybe they were under contract, being required to produce work, even when all the energy and emotional enjoyment of the project was gone. Maybe the question is directed to Konami. *"Why do you, Konami, need Konami Original songs? This isn't fun any more. You've ruined any possible enjoyment. Leave us alone. Please."* *THE ENDING* I think the best answer can be found at the end of the song, where the lyrics, *"Thank you for playing."* are repeated. It doesn't come off as mocking. It doesn't feel sarcastic. *Hate* feels like an unlikely answer to the question. It also doesn't feel like an empty comment either. The cheers playing in the background don't make it feel like, "Thank you for playing, I guess." *Confusion* seems wrong as well. As for *Budget?* Imagine being so burnt out that you couldn't even manage a professional exit. You love the players for being with you from the beginning, but you just can't go on. You need to stop, for your own health. It was a fantastic ride while it lasted, but your heart hasn't been in it for months, and it's degrading the quality of your work. You hate to admit it, but this is the end. We'll look back fondly on the good times. *Thank you for playing.*
Damn this hits hard, I don't know about the Roxor drama, could you tell me (or share relevant links) on that one? 2MB is one of my most faved composer in DDR series (thus my username) so I'm really interested on this
@@stiltzkin2mb Here's the wikipedia article, which goes over the meat of the case: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Corp._v._Roxor_Games_Inc. The big thing was that the original modkits that Roxor sold *only* worked on DDR arcade machines. From there, the scope of everything they did afterward was put in jeopardy.
After going through these a couple times, the only fanmade ones I like are Max and DeltaMax. Seeing DeltaMax in action changed my opinion. It has the tempo in the bg going up as you play
I'm trying to create my own fan song, but I just can't seem to recreate that main HIT sound. The one MaxX Unlimited literally opens up with and runs wild with in its own finale. 3:25 for reference. Anybody have any resources on where I can find a sample of it or guide on how to recreate it?
The way I would look at this is one no-rest nonstop challenging mode; or in this case, Boss Rush Ver. MAX. BPM: 0.00- 780.74 Beginner: 5 Basic: 9 Difficult: 11 Expert: 14 Challenge: 17 Edit Data: 18
I did that a few days ago. A 6 songs course, lasting 8 minutes, made of all the official MAX releases. Difficulty oscillates between 15 and 17 (DDR ratings), and the min/max speed is 83/600 (although I think The Legend of MAX has a peak at 666bpm). Definitely doable for the more exprerienced ITG players.
KoralVR I agree with that! (Break!) Although, the 0.00 BPM just simply means the stops it has. The 780.74 BPM is a guess to Max Infinity ♾. How about edit data? That’s a new concept for the mainline ddr games. Yeah, that should be the case.
I've never heard the first MAX song before. Is that custom or a song from a legit DDR? Also, does anyone have the link to the full version of the song or a dance chart?
It's MAX150 from Foonmix, a series of songpacks consisting entirely of fan-made tracks like that one. In sum there was Foonmix, Foonmix Plus, and Foonmix 2. DL links seem hard to come by these days, but this guy on the Stepmania forums included it alongside some other Japanese mixes in a Mega folder. www.stepmania.com/forums/song-packs/show/62754
@@xeroxcopycat maxx resurexxion and neomax are fan made too. by DM Ashura. atleast you could call them fan made at the time as he later went on to actually have his songs in the DDR and Beatmania games
Not sure why, but Max 300 Super Max Me-Mix stands far and away the best of them all to me as far as how they sound. Fascination Max is a close second, but it's not even in this video for some reason.
BEMANI stated that the Fascination series is different from the MAX series. Even though there's tons of crossovers between some music series. Like how MAX. (period) has literally a part of PARANOiA within the song. Or how PARANOiA ~HADES~ sounds like a crossover between PARANOiA and Pluto, since Pluto and Hades are both names for the same God of Death.
MCW UK well... i'm stepping my own mashup of MAX songs, it's 24 minutes and 52 seconds long i'll reply you the link (With my other account) when it's done
Technically, Fascination Maxx is in the Max series, but FELM is a branch off of it, placing it into a gray area. Not enough of them to have their own series, unless there are more mixes that I'm unaware of.
No, they are actually songs from the Paranoia series. It is a very common confusion, in the same way it happens with Fascination MAXX (100-200-400) and Fascination 〜eternal love mix〜 (2MB), they do not belong to the MAX series, but many people think that it is.
They are still good and worthy of recognition, and the creator of this video thought they were good enough to be included. Most people know what the official ones are anyways.
Lowkey bothers me when people do that there was another one w paranoia songs n they added there own shit just give me official song compilations lol ya know ?
@@LuyHD If you could, it would mean a lot dude, I downloaded this version, and jam to it a lot recently. I did notice there were a few missing, but they came out after you made this. It would be awesome if you did remake this.
This would be a helluva competition 1v1 playing this playlist straight; could one even last to the end? Especially without the use of a bar. Only grandpas & grandmas use the DDR bar; real players play without it.
MAX and all its evolutions has always been the DDR Final Boss to me ever since I was a kid.
I’ve always stayed away from dancing to MAX. I don’t like heart attacks lol, but it’s awesome hearing them all. Thanks for uploading.
this max guy must be pretty cool huh
imagine all the fight scenes with these songs
🔥 🔥 🔥
except the opponent is 100 million soul memory and spear running r1 rare genius
Yeah it’s the MVs in the game haha
Yes ❤❤❤
All the other fan mixes are hit or miss, but MAX is legit perfect.
I love the cover for "The Legend of MAX", it's like an eldritch song that's hidden from the public, many would go mad knowing its unholy BPM and stopping mid-song to drop your combo.
Skill issue.
commenters describing anything complex as "eldritch"
@@roscoejustros What an incredibly petty thing to get triggered over.
@@roscoejustros That's not why it's being called eldritch.
It all connects, holy shit. I love this so much.
my favorite max of all time
Max 300 super max me mix
x2
*WHY DO YOU NEED KONAMI ORIGINAL SONGS?*
I think back to Max Period often. It's an absolutely perplexing song. Konami released a home console mix which included Max Period as its final boss song.
The song itself is in no way a paragon of technical, musical, or gameplay innovation. In fact, it appears to be a spit in the face to players.
Technically, the song is mostly a mashup of prior DDR songs put together seemingly hastily (Max300, Paranoia, Healing Vision Angelic Mix, and Maxx Unlimited), with some vocals and sound effects added.
Musically, it feels disjointed, with each section feeling unfinished before abruptly transitioning to the next with little care for key changes or tempo.
Gameplay, the step chart is a copy-paste of previous songs. Also, the Paranoia section is off-beat -- too much so to be unintentional.
With the ease with which the song can be dismantled into parts, we can reasonably conclude that Max Period is intentionally poor quality. *But why? Why is it intentionally bad?* I have to turn to the only remaining part of the song to find answers: the lyrics.
Repeated throughout the song is the question, *Why do you need Konami Original songs?* The inflection and tone of the question is left ambiguous, leaving us to guess the mindset of its artist. Here are three possibilities I've considered:
*HATE*
Maybe the Konami Original team made this song because they're angry at their loyal playerbase for abandoning ship to Roxor. Maybe they hate that they poured so much effort and soul into their songs, yet KaW's 3-hours-effort 2-chord generic works sold a mix just as well as their work. Maybe they feel unappreciated. Maybe the question they're asking is, *"Why do you, the players, still need us when you'll spend just as much on crap?"*
*CONFUSION*
Maybe the Konami Original team was confused as to why they were even being hired for another mix. Maybe the home console release took them by surprise. Maybe they didn't understand what value they could add to get another home console release. Maybe the question is, *"We don't add value to the lives of DDR players, do we? You actually like us? Want us? Need us? Why?"*
*BUDGET*
Producing a new arcade release of DDR was time-consuming and expensive for Konami. The lawsuit made it even worse. Maybe the Konami Original team was being paid so little to make songs that the work they used to love had become grindingly stressful. Maybe they were under contract, being required to produce work, even when all the energy and emotional enjoyment of the project was gone. Maybe the question is directed to Konami. *"Why do you, Konami, need Konami Original songs? This isn't fun any more. You've ruined any possible enjoyment. Leave us alone. Please."*
*THE ENDING*
I think the best answer can be found at the end of the song, where the lyrics, *"Thank you for playing."* are repeated.
It doesn't come off as mocking. It doesn't feel sarcastic. *Hate* feels like an unlikely answer to the question.
It also doesn't feel like an empty comment either. The cheers playing in the background don't make it feel like, "Thank you for playing, I guess." *Confusion* seems wrong as well.
As for *Budget?* Imagine being so burnt out that you couldn't even manage a professional exit. You love the players for being with you from the beginning, but you just can't go on. You need to stop, for your own health. It was a fantastic ride while it lasted, but your heart hasn't been in it for months, and it's degrading the quality of your work. You hate to admit it, but this is the end.
We'll look back fondly on the good times.
*Thank you for playing.*
Damn this hits hard, I don't know about the Roxor drama, could you tell me (or share relevant links) on that one?
2MB is one of my most faved composer in DDR series (thus my username) so I'm really interested on this
@@stiltzkin2mb Here's the wikipedia article, which goes over the meat of the case:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Corp._v._Roxor_Games_Inc.
The big thing was that the original modkits that Roxor sold *only* worked on DDR arcade machines. From there, the scope of everything they did afterward was put in jeopardy.
Superb essay. Can I have your permission to copy-paste it on Reddit?
@@C4_Shaf As long as you credit me with a link to this video/comment, sure! 😊
@xTHECONNORx Nah Covid-19 did that.
neoMAXは初めて聴いたけど 今までと違ったテイストで好き
日本のDDRにも収録されたΔMAXのDMAshuraさんの作曲です！
初めて聴いたときから傑作だと思った一曲です😄
It's a bummer I've missed all the generations of MAX. I would've loved to played them all
you can still play the newest max song on ddr a20 in arcades. Its called max 360
They're all still available on arcades except for neoMAX, MAX INFINITY and MAXX RESURREXXION (which are only available on Stepmania song packs)
Finally some good fucking music
Deltamax it's the best
Yeah Deltamax is pretty darn good, really gets your heart pumping!
Imma tell my kids this is Friday night funkin
nah, if anything, fnf is more like parappa the rapper. it's a call and repeat type game.
6:07 So that's where DM Ashura got that part from in NeoMax.
He also composed that song bro
After going through these a couple times, the only fanmade ones I like are Max and DeltaMax. Seeing DeltaMax in action changed my opinion. It has the tempo in the bg going up as you play
The timeline I come from, MAX was known as Max 150
I'm trying to create my own fan song, but I just can't seem to recreate that main HIT sound. The one MaxX Unlimited literally opens up with and runs wild with in its own finale. 3:25 for reference. Anybody have any resources on where I can find a sample of it or guide on how to recreate it?
The way I would look at this is one no-rest nonstop challenging mode; or in this case, Boss Rush Ver. MAX.
BPM: 0.00- 780.74
Beginner: 5
Basic: 9
Difficult: 11
Expert: 14
Challenge: 17
Edit Data: 18
I did that a few days ago. A 6 songs course, lasting 8 minutes, made of all the official MAX releases. Difficulty oscillates between 15 and 17 (DDR ratings), and the min/max speed is 83/600 (although I think The Legend of MAX has a peak at 666bpm). Definitely doable for the more exprerienced ITG players.
KoralVR I agree with that! (Break!)
Although, the 0.00 BPM just simply means the stops it has. The 780.74 BPM is a guess to Max Infinity ♾. How about edit data? That’s a new concept for the mainline ddr games. Yeah, that should be the case.
@@koralvr2573 wouldn’t the max speed be 720, due to that one section in max 360?
ok maybe we dancing this one through 🔥
No but seriously what the hell are the song names
AND a slight edit through this the transitions are CLEAN
I've never heard the first MAX song before. Is that custom or a song from a legit DDR? Also, does anyone have the link to the full version of the song or a dance chart?
It's MAX150 from Foonmix, a series of songpacks consisting entirely of fan-made tracks like that one. In sum there was Foonmix, Foonmix Plus, and Foonmix 2. DL links seem hard to come by these days, but this guy on the Stepmania forums included it alongside some other Japanese mixes in a Mega folder. www.stepmania.com/forums/song-packs/show/62754
@@tetrimino7776 Yeah, it's a pretty good fan-made mix. Definitely worth checking out.
@@xeroxcopycat maxx resurexxion and neomax are fan made too. by DM Ashura. atleast you could call them fan made at the time as he later went on to actually have his songs in the DDR and Beatmania games
Custom song called Max 150 on fan made Foonmix from WAAAAAAAY back. IMO, a solid entry level 10-15 at the time.
Not sure why, but Max 300 Super Max Me-Mix stands far and away the best of them all to me as far as how they sound. Fascination Max is a close second, but it's not even in this video for some reason.
BEMANI stated that the Fascination series is different from the MAX series. Even though there's tons of crossovers between some music series. Like how MAX. (period) has literally a part of PARANOiA within the song. Or how PARANOiA ~HADES~ sounds like a crossover between PARANOiA and Pluto, since Pluto and Hades are both names for the same God of Death.
This is awesome, would be great if someone stepped this as 1 file (unless it's already been done in which case I need a link to that)
MCW UK well... i'm stepping my own mashup of MAX songs, it's 24 minutes and 52 seconds long
i'll reply you the link (With my other account) when it's done
Mynion24 100 did you ever get that done?
@@mynion24100 did you finish it?
@@chiefbeef2730 yes, and i lost it when i changed pc sadly
Made one years ago, will not be linking though...
*The fact they all connect seamlessly and nobody ever noticed is like some kind of Easter Egg. WOW.*
its done by the uploader, he mixed/cross-faded them together to splice them together as seamless as he could
I used to have a collection of these songs ages ago.
Should have included Maxx Attaxx
I've never heard the first max. Where have I been all my life???
It's apparently unofficial. that's why.
It's called Max 150.
Its unofficial, And the only first MAX is MAX 300.
max Maxx MAXXXX!
maldición, y pensar que las jugué todas!!!! hermoso recuerdo
You must add max 360 eventually o.o
max bag is missing
If I can charts 3 songs in one
Then Max 564 (Goroawase: ゴルシ) it is, then.
Eh, Some of the songs here are unofficial
And I call it as a extra addition MAX!
Cuál es el nombre de ese estilo musical?
I think three of those are all done by DM Ashura.
is fascination Maxx part of the road of MAX? I didn't hear it
UlquiorraRocks4 then it would go into this maxx problem with fascination and and 2MB has covered it already
MaxxineMagmaBanditChief Fascination maxx is a part of the Fascination series not of the MAX series
Fascination MAXX was in the "Max of Maxx" Course from DDR SuperNOVA 2 though.
Technically, Fascination Maxx is in the Max series, but FELM is a branch off of it, placing it into a gray area. Not enough of them to have their own series, unless there are more mixes that I'm unaware of.
@@destinycarrico894 thank you!
Word
There might be a guy named "Max"
And what about PARANOiA Survivor MAX isn’t that considered apart of the MAX series?
No, they are actually songs from the Paranoia series.
It is a very common confusion, in the same way it happens with Fascination MAXX (100-200-400) and Fascination 〜eternal love mix〜 (2MB), they do not belong to the MAX series, but many people think that it is.
Paranoia Survivor and Survivor Max are Paranoia songs, they're not part of MAX.
tell that to Konami when they put Fascination Maxx in the Max of Maxx challenge list in SN2. @@LuyHD
@@LuyHDwell Fascination does since it literally is half and half of two boss songs lol
max無印は見たことないなぁ
What kinda genera would you say this is? Wb the paranoias?
Max = techno (hardcore techno from BMIIDX).
Paranoia = jungle.
Paranoia Max Dirty mix is jungle e The Legend of Max is jungle mixture in IIDX. Paranoia hades is "supernova beat".
NAOKI MAEDAによる新MAXシリーズ「MAX SBY -428-」が発表されたのだが、完全に埋もれているのは残念なことである。 th-cam.com/video/4lKmW1YpPq8/w-d-xo.html
もうそんなに昔なんだね…😅
結局ΔMAXのジャケットってあれなんなの、虫なのかな
I thought MAX 300 was the first MAX song?
It's the first official MAX song. Max is a fan song
@@Sammy102093 that doesn’t make any sense. How is it the first MAX song when its fan made based off of the actual first MAX song MAX 300.
Max 300 was definitely my introduction to the series and a song I spent a whole lot of time learning!!!
any1 rlse glad they didnt have james bond during the war...
Wait, there was a normal MAX?
It's a fanmake but it's pretty popular with the fanbase since it sounds like a good origin to Max
Sakura???
Hate to break it to you, but MAX, Maxx ResurreXxion, neoMAX, and MAX INFINTY aren't real songs; MAX 300 is the OG MAX song.
They are still good and worthy of recognition, and the creator of this video thought they were good enough to be included. Most people know what the official ones are anyways.
@@DrMario- I’m aware of that.
Lowkey bothers me when people do that there was another one w paranoia songs n they added there own shit just give me official song compilations lol ya know ?
Delta max used to be just a stepmania song too
@@keropi328 I want the exact opposite. I want a mix with ALL PARANOiA, Fascination, Trip Machine and MAX Remixes. Even non-official ones.
Whos the first MAX by?
MAX 300
jondi and spesh one wins
Tru dat, one of my top fave MAX songs
2MB
how did you get max?
It's MAX 150 actually
+ƬψƬΩiiXinnex thx
minecraft blue creeper yw
+ƬψƬΩiiXinnex P.S. is Max 150 an official DDR song?
No it's not.
max 360?
you're right i would have to update the video
@@LuyHD And now, we have MAX 428 on StepManiaX
@@LuyHD If you could, it would mean a lot dude, I downloaded this version, and jam to it a lot recently. I did notice there were a few missing, but they came out after you made this. It would be awesome if you did remake this.
@@LuyHD(要するに「めんどくせぇ」と言うことですね)
This would be a helluva competition 1v1 playing this playlist straight; could one even last to the end? Especially without the use of a bar. Only grandpas & grandmas use the DDR bar; real players play without it.
@@katamaridamacy Only losers necropost. This was almost a year ago.
@@Skotch_Korean You could've posted the comment in 2010 and the no-bar take would still be as stupid as it is now
If Max 360 was added, it would require a ridiculous amount of stamina to even survive to the end
Imagine gatekeeping people from an intended feature of the game