Crazy Blindspots City Bus Drivers Deal With | Gillig BRT PLUS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- Bus Driver Keywan talks about annoying blind spots that we deal with while operating a transit bus. The bus I’m specifically talking about in this video is a 2015 Gillig BRT Plus.
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I drive bus, he's dead on right. If you're not bouncing back and forth, you can kill someone as you can't see through the thick pillars. Flyers and Nova buses both need work. In my country there made in Winnipeg and Montreal Canada. This guy really knows his stuff and the public really can learn something from him. Being a bus driver isn't as easy as people think, but I love my job. ATU proud.
Thanks for watching!!!
Damn its a huge problem on the Orion VII OG.
ATU represent!
So, what you're saying is... he ain't lying?
You mentioned the comment from BBC about a bus driver’s skill level. I know of one skill you and many bus drivers must have is patients dealing with people. Your dealing with people is second to none. And your driving skills are second to none.
He ain't lying
There was time in the 70s and early 80s when buses had no A/C, no partition behind the driver and back windows. Oh yeah, the front and back doors were manual (there was a handle the driver would operate to open the front door, the passengers would open the back door to exit), and no electronic fare boxes. (honor system), with paper transfers torn off at the hour the transfer would expire.
70's and 80's??????? Where I drive we have handle for front and back doors, fareboxes usually work, but fares are looked at as donations so to me our fares are irrelevant and paper transfers are still part of our system and times are set between 90 minutes to 2-3, 4 or maybe 5 hours depending on the driver. You could show me a library card and still ride. Oh and that's so I don't have to go to the hospital after an assault. Oh and yes usually the A/C works, but hand buses earlier this summer in 40+Celsius .......no A/C and no tradeoffs
Thanks Keywan for illustrating blind spots. Normally in this situations you have to moves your body so you can see those annoying blind spots.
Ugh, I used to drive, and it’d always tick me off when kids be doing Tarzan moves out the bus blocking that front window in the process. I mean c’mon, be cool in front of the girl you trying to impress! Not the bus driver who trying to move you safely!
Nicely done video though! Hoping more passengers see this.
Thanks a lot!! And yes..the kids can really be disruptive sometimes..no school right now so it’s a lot less of them for now. Thanks for watching!
Greyhound buses are the same way because driving on the expressway where it's pitch black when it's dark outside could be irritating. Daytime is a lot better to see but heavy traffic. Thank you for spreading your pros and cons Bus Driver Life!
How are the right mirrors on an intercity bus set up? I’ve noticed on my transit bus that I have a huge blindspot for traffic in the right lane when on the highway or any other area where I’m not curbside. The wideview mirror only shows so much and the narrow view mirror is pointed downward toward the right rear tire to negotiate turns, which leaves a huge blindspot on the right. It’s like I need a third right side mirror.
Gilligs are my true love and Ive just gotten my CDL permit
That’s awesome!!
Than you have to check out Nova and New Flyers.
@@Andi-xe8qo I’ll pass lol . Its somethin about the simple look , feel and performance of a Gillig that you just cant beat .
The county transit authority where I go to college uses boxes on Ford E-series vans and Gillig buses. Given the geography of the area, Gilligs are clearly very capable vehicles. The drivers always complain that the buses aren't maintained very well, yet they still climb the steep hills just like any other heavy vehicle I've operated (I grew up on a farm in an area with similar geography).
Low skill my ass. People are unreal! The old school drivers use to pop the door to see and drive.
Yeah. That mirror blind spot is the worst. Approaching a roundabout, traffic coming from the left at the same speed can be obstructed all the way to the roundabout. Its terrifying. As drivers we need to organize and force Gillig and other manufacturers to make that mirror adjustable, slide it up or down to accommodate tall or short drivers to ge that mirror out of the way.
Yes!!!
Got my CDL last August best thing I ever did
That’s awesome!!
Do u enjoy bus driver life or is there room to advance into admin?
Amen. I love what I do. Our company has the yellow standee line. And thankfully, they have a blue one back farther. Still doesn't stop idiot passenger. Anyone ever want a shock barrier or eject button for the idiots?
@@commiekiller in my company, there are opportunities as long as you get no write ups. Admin is "at will" employment. I would rather drive. We are a "bargaining unit" position. Union definitely helps with pay, or God forbid they try to terminate you.
its a good thing that im one of the only people who knows how this job actually works. i want to become a bus operator in my city when im older.
Some kid said that to me. “Oh you just drive a bus.”
Me: “oh you just work at magic mountain ya little toe headed shit”
😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
New Flyer is similar at the front doors, so sometimes when I would pull up to an intersection I would quickly open the front doors to eliminate that blind spot where the rubber meets on the middle of the doors. Huge visual difference
That’s a smart move!!
One of the bus drivers on my route in the morning does that as well. When she is pulling out of the station she'll quickly open the doors and look out, and then close them while she's turning. Awesome to watch and never thought about how the door seam creates such a dangerous blind spot.
I’ve seen a lot of local bus drivers do the same when they are at an intersection where they are making a left turn. The only downside I’ve seen with that is that it turns off the “Stop Requested” sign (if it was lit before the turn). This means that either the driver has to remember if someone wanted to get off at the next stop, or a passenger wanting to get off has to pay attention and request the stop again as soon as the doors are closed after the turn.
I hate opening the doors and some ding dong tries to get on lol
@@DanielDaniel1 Actually the ding dong means they want out the BACK doors🤣🤣✌️
Sometimes management does not help the situation by specifying buses with visual obstructions. One example can be security screens that have maskings that block the driver's over the shoulder view.
The more I hear about these blind spots. The more I miss the RTS (Rapid Transit Series).
That’s a huge chunk of information. I never thought about the blind spots on a bus before. Great video!
Thanks!
I've been wanting to be a bus driver since I was little, I'm 17 and I have to wait till im 21 but I pointed out half the blindspots before you showed me cause they're obvious... like really obvious. Seeing people get triggered is dumb because you can't see what they can.
I really love Gilligs with a passion, I wish CTA would order some but they won't. We just gonna order more Novas only, some of the operators don't like riding the Novas or the new Novas too much. PACE we have New Flyer Xclesior XD40 but they only run for West Division Garage and Northwest Garage have El Dorado National Axess BRTs and South Division Garage have all the El Dorado National Axess BRT CNG buses which is what I love the most. Thank you Bus Driver Life!
Great video, and you're doing a great service with these videos. People should appreciate bus and all transit drivers more. I'd hope that more people become interested in the job based on videos like yours, and that bus drivers would get to make input on how buses and bus routes could be better designed.
Thank you!
Anyone ever drive the first generation 35ft Electric Proterra, that model takes the title for the worst blind spots. The A Pilar is like 6 inch's wide, so you definitely have to Rock n Roll. So glad they parked them. Funny you said rock n roll as I typed this.
Over in Nassau County in Long Island NY(right next to NYC) we are getting 2021 Gilligs and I am personally excited to ride them
The video has a blind spot! The 40 foot blind spot on the rear of the bus wasn't covered which is the biggest blind spot of all. Reminder to my fellow drivers to always step out and check behind you before reversing, especially if you don't have a spotter helping you out. Take care guys!
the first rule of backing, dont if you can avoid it.
@@Aliceintraining Absolutely. But unfortunately, sometimes it's necessary. Best know how to do it correctly and safely.
I had a spotter when I had to drive the Greyhound buses out of the station, without a spotter don't back up if you could try to avoid it.
Sorry I don't mean to stand in front of the door. Thank you for awareness. That he ain't lying cracks me up everytime!!!!! Upper management never ask the person who does the work what could improve. That's on every job.
Here in Philly, SEPTA uses Nova Bus LFS both in 40ft and 60ft and the New Flyer LF. The Gillig you're operating is similar to the Nova Bus, they lack the side glass wipers.
Great video. Been a bus driver for over 28 years. You learn something new everyday.😊
Thank you!
Notwithstanding the blind spots, I don't want to think about how many of them would struggle just from the fact that a 40' vehicle handles WAY differently from a car.
I struggled. But I went to motorcoaches and then back to public transit and now I hear eye of the tiger and kick ass 💪
I can only imagine how bad it had to be for those B46 drivers when the ATS was knocked out on December 12, 2014. Those buses got so full that some basically had to stand right by the door just to avoid getting left behind, and people were _still_ forced to wait for another bus.
The biggest visibility issue is the GARBAGE headlamps on 80% of these buses. It’s honestly shocking how bad they are. Either they’re worn out from being in night run all the time, or the mechanics just install them wrong so they’re aimed incorrectly. Thankfully my company is in the process of making the fleet more electrified with exoterra and new flyers which have more advanced led headlights like what new cars have. As far as the self driving thing goes, I just hope I can get 20-30 years out of this gig and retire.
This is one of the main reasons why I personally despise Gilligs.
Really dont like when my passengers walk up to the door while I'm pulling up to the stop. Always get an attitude when tell them otherwise.
This is why people should start playing bus simulators more. In first person mode, a gamer is pretty much in the shoes of a bus operator.
I had a route during the holidays last year that went through a busy shopping district. The road was so narrow that if a car was parked more than a few inches from the curb I would have to wait for opposing traffic to pass before I could swerve around it. During peak hours I would have to drive about 10 blocks at 5mph because pedestrians wouldn't even ATTEMPT to make eye contact with me before crossing the street in my blind spots. Super frustrating for myself as well as impatient passengers. One complaint that stuck with me was this guy who yelled out, "What are we on a tractor at a goat farm??!!!" Was hard not to start laughing at that one. 😂
Lol! Wow some people don’t understand why we need to drive slow sometimes but it’s always good to find the humor in these situations! I hate driving through shopping areas.
Sense of humor goes a long way.
Lol
You are funny dude, I like your videos. Thanks for all of the videos. I’m applying to the CTA hopefully it goes well.
Thank you!! I hope all goes well for you!
This is great information to know, thanks 👍
1:02 i wasn’t prepared for that Lol. I had my engaged face on looking to gain knowledge saw that and just bust out laffin. Good content tho, I have training next week for a city bus operator position i just got today so i appreciate the insight. Respect! 💯
I love this Vlog Keywan. Very well said all together
Thanks so much Andre!!
Nice video keep it up I love your video Keywan bro also this is true in London also I like the new profile picture it look nice! Nice video keep it up Keywan bro and don't give up
I was waiting for you to mention rock and roll!! Lmao we have the new flyers, el dorados, and a dinosaur 45ft bus forgot the name.. The el dorado have the Mirrors blocking the whole left view got me rocking and rolling.. sometimes I have to adjust it so it’s sticking out so I can see behind it. Makes me appropriate the new flyers
This is a everyday occurrence working for the T. I feel your pain 😂
Good video I learned a lot from this video merry Christmas
Thank you!
That's the same problems that German bus drivers has as well...
I gonna pass my Bus driver license soon 🤩
nice information thank you sir
The BBC clip was wicked bro
On school buses, they have windows on the back door, but on some of them, the control panel is in front of the rear view mirror, making it useless.
Also, once when I was driving through fog, the door windows were so foggy, I had to open them at intersections to look for traffic.
lots of people thank the bus driver in portland, OR
Why don't they paint DO NOT CROSS on the white line? and if the passengers are standing by the front door they are going to screw up your APC counter. Great video...as always... and thanks for making them!
Thanks for watching!!
If you have people up by front doors they blocking the right side mirror
The cabin for the driver in front makes me think of the Saint Thonas busses. Lots of blind spots. International is much better since there are less obstructing bars
2:30
Nice video Keywan and can be quite dangerous sometimes.
The Transport Hub Thanks and yes it is! Always have to be alert!
Bus Operaters should be able to have access to outside bus cameras so it can be easier to see whats going on outside the bus moving or not
very good video. well done. great points.
Thank you!!
Man this whole situation seems very weird, and also bad. Like the bus may technically live up to regulations but the fact drivers have no input on the design and that such glaring design faults can make it past the concept stage is baffling to me. The front door especially. Like as a European I am baffled at the fact they are using a bulky double door for that when the width only warrants a single sliding door. Like a good comparison would be something like the VDL Citea which on its options with a narrow front door feature a single sliding door on the front with great visibility. Same goes for other models like the Mercedes Benz Citaro, the Ebusco 2.2, Iveco Crossway, Solaris Urbino, and many others. Like I think it also has to do with competition. In North America competition between manufacturers is very little and like you said bus drivers don't have any say so there's very little push for manufacturers to actually try and make their vehicles better for neither the Driver or passengers, since they know they're guaranteed deals almost no matter what.
Like I know aestethics are a different thing but most North American bus models, and the Gilligs especially look like they're still stuck in the 90's designwise, including in their tackling of such issues which is just horrible, and further hinders the reputation of buses in North America. I mean compare a current Gillig or Novabus model, to the current models by MAN and VDL or even cheap manufacturers like Yutong and the difference is night and day.
The entire concept of buses in the US is a matter of build and repair costs. An individual universal rectangular double door is cheaper to fix than a single door. The glass is cheaper and easier to replace when an angry person kicks and breaks it. Everything revolves around universal design, just like the US car industry had Oldsmobile, Buick, Chevrolet, and Pontiac using the same framework for cars. Those wonderfully expansive view single glass pane windshields are expensive compared to a flat split windshield.
That white line is a joke at times because you know it and I know it when the bus is full people stand right at the farebox
Thanks
Also 100% correct!
You rock your body? This explains why everyone looked at
Everyone looked at me funny when I bought the drum set
Buddy got hella time at the EOL lol
This is my Sunday run so I did have some extra time..but it took 3 of my breaks on this end to film this and I had to be quick lol. 😆 Thanks for watching!!!
in case of an accident, if I'm a bus driver, can people sue me? go after my house and money? I love your videos.
Maybe it's time technology invents transparent pillars.
That would be cool!
Had a recent accident for this reason...Looking at my blind spot, thought a motorcycle was on my right (London bus) while moving on traffic car in front stops suddenly and yes result you know....
When I drove for Philadelphia transit that driver side mirror had a terrible blind spot
Actually.... that white line is called a "Standee line" come on California commerical driver handbook.
Very true!! I’m just trying to keep it as simple as possible for everyone! 😎
@@BusDriverLife I'm not giving you attitude but the Channel is called BUS DRIVER LIFE!!!! Why we gotta wait for them?
When will you review the obi orion ng hev im a big fan off those buses
Push and pull 5 miles hour making a turn also great video
Exactly!!! Thanks!!
they just need to go back to the Gillig Phantoms those were the best bus
How about the people that bang on the bus when you are about too take off 😡😡🤬🤬
Seymour Butts That’s extremely annoying!
Inaddition to bad weather.
the newer ENC Axess BRT has really bad front left blindspots from the mirror to the front of the a pillers even worse then your gillig. plus if you dont have the wheel angled down, you cant see the speedo. the older buses in the fleet, dont have these blindspots. x.x its like the people who design these buses dont drive them.
All BBC employees work low skilled jobs. Now back to the bus. I prefer the Gillig Phantom over the BRT. But if I had to choose a low floor model, it would be a Gillig Advantage or a Novabus LFS.
Yep, not too difficult to report fake news.
Nice video bud
Will’s UNWILD Vlogs Channel I appreciate that!!
No problem bud :)
That middle of the door is very bad had a few close calls we have new flyers c40s
Yes!!! I hate it! Just make it all clear if possible..that would be great.
@@BusDriverLife yea i never understood why they dont make them clear
It's a gillig brt plus so yeah it's hard af. But I wish someone would tell a nabi 60 brt or any articulated bus that this is easy bc not only is the front is danger but the back part aswell
How so?
My dream is always want to be a cta driver
Wish me luck I'll be driving soon haha
You got it!
Bro! FR!! I always triple quadruple check bruh
Stay safe out their brother.
Cris Thanks bro..you too!!
Is it hard to drive a bus? I drive a leaf that's a small car, lol. 😆 I'm scared to drive a bus. I have a job interview with Metro tomorrow, and I have zero experience going in. Is turning difficult? Also, seeing you explaining the bind spots is scary, too. 😨
Just understand this:
You have to split lanes and remember swing wide it's a FRIGGIN TRAILER!!!
@@adventureoflinkmk2
Wrong channel, you bonehead. 😂 😉
What's your bus company's policy on capacity (assuming buses regularly get full in Sacramento)? Here in Chicago, most drivers will allow as many people as possible to cram into a bus as long as the doors close, resulting in multiple people blocking the doors(of course not during COVID). Is that the same thing with your company? or is it more limiting.
We definitely get full buses normally..we fill up until the white line so we can pack as many people in until that point..but currently at 14 people allowed..im sure that number will change soon with schools set to reopen this month. We’ll see...I know it gets really busy in Chicago!
That sounds weird. Here in Denmark at least there are listed capacity numbers both inside the bus and on the outside for how many passengers can legally be onboard. For some models its higher than others but as an example, a pretty popular model right now is the Yutong E12 Electric bus, which legally has room for 33 seated passengers and 33 standees, in a total of 66. Most buses have higher numbers, usually around 70-80 but even then that capacity is rarely used up since most can't figure out walking up into the backend, meaning the limit comes when additional passengers getting on can't get past the yellow line right behind the driver. Even if there are available seats in the back, then passengers can't get to them. The drivers will often yell "Move further back" to the passengers onboard but they can rarely comprehend moving up 2 steps into the raised back section.
@@drdewott9154
In the US, passenger capacity is routinely ignored, it’s more a matter of how many people can you cram inside. One reason for this is because it’s impossible for the operator to keep an accurate passenger count with people alighting through the rear doors. Another reason is because nobody wants to be left behind to wait for another bus no matter how crowded the bus is.
y have to do with a bline spot on a bus just make the bline spot fiberglass that will make it more safe!
That’s why we rock n roll in our seat bitches!!!
Yup!!
Some passengers are idiots who don't follow the rules but if get hurt want to sue or get the bus driver fired. When I did ride the public bus I did not stand up until the bus came to a complete stop .and I exited the front door not the back
Keywan, have you seen the campy movie The Big Bus? you should, I hear Gillig is going for that design in 2022. ;o)
I haven't...I need to check it out!
I drive a bus though the college I go to and sometimes the bus gets a overload that we can not fit anyone eals on the bus standing or sitting and the routes that get a overload is the route 30 route 31 and sometimes route 38 and route 39 most of the time I get stuck driving the route 38 and route 39 and they usually get a overload when there are parties at the other 3 colleges and the route 38 and route 39 gets mostly women college student passengers because the route 38 and route 39 go to all womens colleges and sometimes when the bus is a overload the passangers that are standing block the back door and the front do that it is hard to see over all the students on the bus and I have been the only boy on the bus with about 200 to 250 women passengers with me driving the bus
Just ask your garage supervisor to give you a extended bus or as bus drivers call them a articulate bus
Not feeling the BRT look.
Give us the classic GILLIG SLF look any day LoL
Hey! What’s your favorite bus city bus (or school bus) to drive and/or look at?
Branstube Gaming #2 My favorite city buses are the GMC/TMC/NOVA RTS buses...I can look at those all day!! There are a few more but I’m actually gonna make a video showing all of my favorite buses and unpopular opinions on buses I don’t really like! Great question!!
@@BusDriverLife in new York city they retired all of the 1997 1998 nova rts buses those buses were work horses could not kill them now all we have low floor local buses
Mad Hatter I really regret not making a trip to ride those buses before they retired them!! 😢
@@BusDriverLife yup great buses the good thing is we have a nice museum fleet with buses from the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s they put in passenger service at the holidays and they bring out for bus shows
Mad Hatter That’s great!! I have to get to the east coast soon to see that!
Kenneth Alexander
The correct bus should be: Gillig Advantage Plus.
Have you ever driven an RTS?
No I haven’t but I’d love to drive one someday. It was my favorite bus as a kid.
@@BusDriverLife same, hearing the scream of that DD series 50, the squeal of the brakes and the driver flinging the doors open is something I wont forget. Which series of RTS have you seen? I've seen the T7W603, T80206, RTS Legend and T8J204.
Don’t drive a Nova Bus lots of blind spots
Now I see why gilligs are banned from Canada
Wow!! They are actually banned?? No wonder I never see Gilligs on videos and pictures from Canada
I heard Gillig doesn’t sell buses in Canada
Don’t get me started on Fiona Bruce at the BBC as she does not have a clue what she’s talking about as bus driving is an extremely skilful job.
It’s not that hard to drive a bus .. as long as you know use your mirrors and know where you blind spots are . I love NYCTA has pedestrian warning system. Don’t cross the white line federal law prohibits the operation of the vehicle. But let’s be real somethimes their a pack bus have people riding past that line ..
Looks like in Europe we have here much better and safer designed busses
@FionaBruce, I feel Violated... I play now you see it now you don't all day long.. How do you feel about the Eldorado's?
I think everybody's acting entitled nowadays it's because of the abundance of low floors vehicles. Every transit has them now, exacerbating people's sense of entitlement. It's a right, rather than a privilege. At least with high floors, the bus drivers had seniority, you knew you had the ball you knew YOU control the court, and everybody else knew their role, so to speak. Now with low floor dominated the bus market, the bus drivers LOST your seniority and basically everybody including the people who hired you walks over you. I mean we don't need low floors THAT much. Not EVERYBODY'S old or handicapped. Most people are just fat, lazy and entitled, and city managers, city planners, mayors and commissioners are looking for loopholes, sleazy deals, offshoring, importing, and fast easy money, via lobbying and scheming with automotive industries. The same MFs that criminalized JAYWALKING; they want to control and dictate how people use the roads.
Lol, are you really criticizing jaywalking being illegal on a channel centered on bus drivers, who are constantly hampered by jaywalkers?! 😂