Yo how did you dial it in for Espresso? I just got mine and struggling to find the setting because of the lack of numbers on the dial. I guess I’m trying to ask how many turns did it take for you to find that sweet spot that works for Espresso?
I would absolutely love a video on the difference between conical v flat burrs and how the coating affects them and the coffee. I definitely think that would be a great video for people who want to know the difference and what they want to look for in a grinder!
I just got a Lagom Mini with moonshine burrs as an almost exclusive espresso grinder, and I'm loving it. Hardly takes up any room, looks really nice next to my Cafelat Robot, works right out of the box, and super low retention/static. Plus I love that it's stepless.
@@onefive10 I find it has very minimal retention, you just have to let it run for 5-10 seconds after it’s mostly done grinding to get all the grinds out. You can also buy a cheap billow online if you really want to get everything out, but I haven’t found that necessary.
How long does it take you to grind 18g for espresso with the moonshines? Wondering if significantly longer than with obsidians as I know you have to go a bit finer.
@@angiifrenchfry a little over 30 seconds usually, 45s max. It’s never been a huge issue since I always have to wait for water anyways, and never do more than 2 shots back to back
@@jacobfiksel3600 thanks! I can definitely deal with that. I use a flair pro so have other things to do in the meantime and can probably grind a bit coarser anyway
I have a DF64 w/ HU burrs and Lagom Mini. This is how I look at it. If you're going to dive deep into espresso, hands down get the DF64. If you just need a good enough grinder that you dont want to tinker with, get the lagom mini.
Almost had a heart attack when I saw this video posted since I pre-purchased this grinder because of your initial review. Glad your opinion hasn't changed since, and I hope mine doesn't stall too
Great review Kyle. Your original review was one the reasons I ordered mine it he first place. It’s only just arrived (with the obsidian burrs), and so far it’s brewing great coffee. I completely agree with you that whilst ultra compact, it doesn’t have enough weight or stability in the base to turn it on or off one handed, which can be frustrating. Likewise, having to use two hands to rotate the dial can also be annoying at times, especially as you have to remove the magnetic lid. But the biggest frustration for me has been the removal of the printed numbers on the latest version, particularly as they did this between my ordering it and shipping. I can’t understand the rationale, and it makes dialling in and switching between filter and espresso far more difficult than it should be. Whilst I love the coffee it makes, the Niche easily retains it’s crown as ‘King of the workflow’, and I won’t be selling it anytime soon!
@@KyleRowsell Yep. Really frustrating, and hard to understand the rationale. Apparently it was because people were struggling with the fact that the zero point wasn’t consistent across grinders - but removing the numbers makes it a lot harder to dial in, and I have to re-zero between every grind. This seems like a backwards step from a company who usually make sensible decisions with the end user in mind.
Hey Kyle, Thanks for the shout out man. I actually have this grinder from February and I'm extremely satisfied with the workflow and look. But I had the stalling issue from the beginning after a couple of weeks they sent me a newer version of power brick and it fixed the stalling with Obsidian but as soon as I installed moonshine burrs it came back and it came back big time. After our talk in discord I contacted them for a replacement. They told me a stronger power will fix my issue. I will share an update once I tested that.
I originally ordered the normal 'obsydian' burrs last week with no clue that the 'Moonshine' burrs existed, because at the time, it was not an option on their site. But then the great folks at Option-O reached out to ask if I wanted to change my burrs to their new 'Moonshine' burrs...I said yes, without knowing anything about 'clear-coat' vs 'aggressive-coat'; this is also my first ever coffee grinder. Needless to say, this video has really relaxed my nerves, from wondering if I made the right decision, to knowing that I did! Super excited for the Lagom mini!
I've had a Mini with obsidian burrs for about 4 months now and it's been great. I got it after seeing one of your earlier vids on it. I'm new to espresso so I wanted something at a lower price point to get my feet wet with dialing in. I've never had stalling, and at most am using it a max of 3 times a day between espresso and filter. One thing for daily use is that mine's definitely not zero retention. I always have to knock it to get back what I'm putting in, or run it for a while after you'd expect it to be done to get everything through. It's definitely improved my shots and I'm really enjoying using it, so thanks for putting it on my radar! I will say, US customs clearly took mine apart, left it in pieces, and lost one of the 3 very necessary screws during shipping. I had to wait a while to get a replacement before starting it up. So it runs great, but shipping with the screws in some kind of protection would probably improve the whole initial experience.
I've had my Logom Mini 48mm for around a month and love it, use it for pour over, espresso and even for the Moccamaster and it does a great job in all of them, my c40 does have more clarity in pour overs, but to use it to grind 60g for the Moccamaster is just a pain, so the Logom Mini is perfect for that, I've had no stalling yet even when feeding in 60g for the Moccamaster. I would be keen to try the moonshine burr, but I think I will wait until I've recieved the Kopi Deva (fingers crossed) as I really want to try flat burrs before trying more conical. Loving the content Kyle, thanks
@@KyleRowsell me too still waiting for mine although J do know a few people who have gotten theirs now, If you lived a little closer I would let you borrow it (once I'd had a chance to play with it of cousse), but shipping over to you from the UK would be a costly option.
@@SarntAKluss The AKKU works well for me, I have limited sockets available on my kitchen counters so it means I can site the grinder close to my espresso machine and I only have to unplug the espresso machine while I charge the Deva, usually over night. So I don't have any time I can't grab an espresso fix. Mind you she's a heavy beast the battery packs.
I've had mine for 2 months and I only grind light roast. Never stalled. I use it for espresso and occasionally pour over, but I find my comandante to be superior for pour over.
7:00 sounds like they set a torque limit to prevent damage if you get a jam, like a stone or other foreign object in your coffee, (which is a common thing for grinders to have, as a safety precaution) but maybe they messed up and set it a bit too low (or just put in a slightly more powerful motor in the later versions). 8:04 So not recommended to keep near the edge of your table... especially if you have cats :D
@@KyleRowsell id live to buy an aftermarket weighted platform to keep it more stable but still be very compact. If i get one(very likely ) i might jut do some wood working to set a piece of wood under it trace it shallow out with a router. And cut the outside shape the same shape but bigger to look good and compact. And clear coat it or use bamboo or ceader raw. Anyone feel free to stral that idea 💡 its not ricket science and im no pro. But make a video if u can and let us know
Also in my experience, using that rubbery mosepad bottom material works super amazing. And usually u can just peel the fabric off cheap ones if u feel thats an issue for gluing it to the bottom of the base
One day after watching this video, Option O sent an email asking if I would like to change my preorder to Moonshine burrs. Since my daily driver is a C40, my answer was a resounding YES.
Recently got my Lagom Mini, sadly too late to get Moonshine burrs with it but hopefully Option-O will sell the burrs separately eventually as I’d be interested to try them. One thing that bugs me, and it’s by no means specific to Option-O. They claim for example that the Moonshine coating produces less fines and therefore impacts cup quality. You can’t prove a cup of coffee tastes “better” on a graph of course, but things like a PSD for a given grinder / burr set are certainly measurable. If you’re going to make a claim like coating X produces less fines and more clarity, I feel like it should be basically mandatory to post the receipts. What I’d love to see is give us a distribution graph from both burrs with the same coffee put through each, let the consumer see & decide from there. Otherwise it’s nearly impossible to judge as a customer if you’re just being sold a bunch of marketing based pseudo science. Not picking on Option-O here at all, this is just a wistful comment generally on the state of coffee marketing. All that said… I’m still curious to try the Moonshine burrs and see if I can tell the difference 😆
Love this grinder. Had it for a couple months and get delicious results using a picopresso. No issues apart from the bottom of the dosing cup falling out, but that was a quick fix.
Hi Kyle, I am in a market for a new grinder. A small, compact, efficient and functional one that is electric and pleasing to the eyes. I think this grinder fits the bill. I already own a Niche Zero and I love it. I use it primarily for espresso and Moka pot. For pour overs, I tend to use a hand grinder even thought my Niche is capable of grinding for pour overs. I just find the process of changing grind sizes every day to be a hassle and sometimes my Niche misses grinding a bean or two when I change its grind size. I like the fact that this grinder can do espresso occasionally but I would dedicate it primarily for pour overs. Thank you for the video!
Looks like 49th parallel coffee...great choice! Thanks for a great rundown on this grinder. I'm slowly talking myself into upgrading my espresso grinder, and love any of this kind of content I can find.
You are NOT isolated re non-stalling, ie, I've also been using my mini for 6 months, I've never stalled. I use a different grinder, Niche, for espresso. When I feel the need to excercise, I use my comandante. Your review(s) are spot on from my perspective! thanks!!
So happy to hear this! Honestly. I couldn't share that mine has stalled when it never has just because others on the internet have had that experience. I even stumbled across a reddit post where someone suggested I was a shilling the product or that I wasn't fully honest with my audience because I didn't share that mine stalled. I'd never do this. I was beyond bummed to read it. Anyways, glad to hear your experience resonates with mine.
reminds me of the properties of machining tools used in manual and cnc machines. coated cutters tend to have a softer edge which doesnt work well with light cuts. coating happens after the machining/grinding process so the cutting edges tend to be a little more rounded over. this does have benefits. a softer edge lasts much much longer and can take much heavier cuts without chipping. uncoated cutters can easily take very light cuts since they are sharper but are less resilient to wear and tear. its surprising just how much these carry over to burrs as well.
This is the best pairing grinder for the Niche Zero. For those who want to 'upgrade' to flat burrs like the P64, you should try this one first to test if you really like the clarity of modern espresso. If not, it can still be your pour-over only grinder. If yes, your upgrade to the P64 will not disappoint. I think Timemore 064S + Lagom Mini will be the BEST PAIR for espresso + pull over just before the "diminishing of return " at 2024
I’ve ordered one with the moonshine burr, based on your review. I drink espresso and pour over coffee and l like it often with cream. A long wait until September when shipping is promised. I normally don’t spend lots of $$$ on what I would call a food processor. A bit nervous about that. I enjoy you videos because they are down to earth and to the point. Thank you.
After using this grinder for about 4 months I find only one problem with it. Some of the coffee beans are to large to feed into the grinder. You either have to dump or pry them out or maybe forcefully push them through. It works for me overall.
I’d love a video detailing the best grinder for cold brew. I always see videos about espresso and pour overs, but I’ve found grinding coarse to be problematic with how many fines are produced, yet coffee shops continue to make cold brew better than I can and I’m sure its due to the grinders.
$10 mr coffee grinder (blender, more like) made delicious cold brew.. 80g coffee. 16 oz water (water bottle) in French press. Cover, but don’t press. Leave it on counter for 24 hours. Press pour into mason jar. Drink next day. Added milk and ice and syrup. My wife and I shared. (made 4 servings) Had wiiiiiide awake, haha. Fyi, I just followed a 2 minute Starbucks video. For espresso I have much more expensive set up I won’t get into.. it’s been waaay harder to get consistently good espresso 😬 🍻
2 months in on lagom mini usage just missing out on the moonshine burrs (obsidian). For my workflow 50:50 Chemex/espresso this has been worth every penny. Your minor improvement points are spot on, i position the grinder on a simple silicone mat to prevent slippage when operating, also tends to rotate when adjusting the dial, a minor niggle for an amazing well constructed grinder that I am hoping will be with me for many years to come.
It’s your fault I did an ADD TO CART! Just messing with you. Been looking to upgrade from my very first grinder the Baratza Encore which has served me well. It will get a thorough cleaning and passed on to someone in need. Looking forward to my new grinder.
Orange juice with aeropress, that's what I'm drinking to your video today ✌️😁 Great news on that Lagoom, it may be better than Niche for me if I'll ever decide on one of them 😁
Thanks for the review I’m going to order the Option-O - I bought into the hype of the Fellow Ode and have been a bit disappointed with the stock burrs and the SSP’s are never in stock; I’m also not sure that’s the answer to finer lighter roasted coffees in your basic V60 let alone an occasional Robot manual espresso - I really enjoy your channel, thanks for putting out regular content
Aloha Kyle. In your video you mention reservations about using this Lagom Mini exclusively for espresso. We use an Ode 2 for French Press and are looking for a smallish electric grinder exclusively for light duty espresso grinding (2-3 cups per day on average). If not a Lagom Mini, then what to get? Mahalo for any feedback.
Hey Kyle. Trying to decide between this and the df-64. I’ll be using it 80% for filter and 20% for espresso. Mostly light roasted coffee and looking for high clarity. What are your thoughts?
I’m tempted to get one, but I have plenty of grinders already (Niche, Ode with SSP, Orphan OG, Option-O Remi), and I don’t think it’ll get used enough to justify it (the hand grinders mainly get used for travel, with my Flair Pro). Of course what I should do is buy a P64 and then sell the Ode and the Niche. We’ll see.
How does this grinder work for cold brew? Can it grind coarse enough? And would I be able to grind, say, 200g of beans in one go by continually pouring them down the hopper?
What is the other grinder you mention at 6:16 ? I can’t find any info on it and as the mini is difficult / expensive to get in europe I was wondering if it could be an option ? Great video, I am actually waiting to get more info on the vs3 that is more available and cheaper in europe to pull the trigger for an espresso grinder
If my primary use is going to be pulling a couple double shots A-day and a 6 cup mocha pot as my alternate for larger batches, or perhaps several shots on a Bambino Plus, wuld I burn this unit up? I'm also kinda worried about overclocking it on those weekends days when both of us are up and around and drink several cups of coffee... I fell in love with the Lagom Mini when it was 1st being reviewed and Out of stock but I became very leery when all of the issues cropped up especially with people stressing it's only good for a couple shots A-day... I had already been sincerely shopping things to compete directly with the Niche Zero or Mignon series for the last couple of years as I did my research on what setup I wanted (how I found you). Would you suggest I just commit to the Niche Zero since I also occasionally do other brew methods and want a stand alone multi use grinder?
I want to update my bean to cup coffee machine to a real espresso machine. I think I will go with lelit bianca and the grinder which one will u recommend lagom mini is good especially the price is in my range, niche zero is bit over budget. For my whole family usually we take about 7 cups a day.
Thanks for the video. How does the Lagom mini compare to the Baratza Sette 270 in your opinion? I mainly grind for espresso but I think single dosing is more suitable for my domestic use case.
Hi Kyle.. I know its been 1 year since u posted this video..But ya, want to share my thoughts... I am from Malaysia.. I have been using the Lagom Mini for roughly a while now.. And yes, I managed to stall my mini, and that's when I first started out where I mistakenly taken 0.8 of a turn as 8 small dots when grinding for espresso, so when it kept jamming my linea micra and after 5-6 trials, one after another (with 8 small dots setting), then ya.. it started to get quite warm and finally stalled, but what I want to share is, even it stalled, by opening up the space (increasing to 10-12 dots) it kinda re-grind back without switching off and on, which I knew I was working it too hard, so I stopped (then went back to the manual where it actually meant 0.8 of a revolution). Well, not a great experience, but just sharing my stress at the time. So, my thought is, unless we are grinding for super fine coffee like Turkish grinds, this grinder won't stall at all.. as I had tried 0.65 revolution and back to back 10 espresso shots, no issues (dint even get warm, kinda an indication for me to stop grinding and let it rest) Well, just sharing my experience so others don't have to go through what I went through..😬😅
Is this lagom mini a variable RPM machine? If not, how low is the RPM, I want lower RPM for clarity and do not care how long grinding takes. thanks. Also, how does the moonshine burr compare to a flat burr for clarity; some are saying it really makes the conical better. I want higher clarity for lever espresso and I roast light roasts. On the spectrum, how does moonshine burr compare to a flat burr like DF64?
@Kyle Rowsell came back with a new question. Your personal recommendation Niche vs Mini... I intend to pull at minimum one shot A-day probably 2 possibly 4 fairly regularly. My secondary brew method is A 6 cup mokapot. I do occasional pour overs and the neighbor brings her Drip-o-later for board game nights. I am afraid I might burn the Lagom Mini up but its versatility, Obvious appeal to both you and Lance and it's compact size are all massively appealing to me 🥲. I'm not seeing much about how much brew grinding you can do with it just that you aren't supposed to pull many shots per day. Thank you.
Thanks, Kyle. I was wondering if there is a significant improvement on espresso compared to P64? I found nobody has done this comparison on the whole Internet. I think the answer is helpful for people who is considering upgrade to P64.
The p64 is a flat burr grinder. Very different. This is a compact conical grinder. The p64 is easily a better espresso grinder but it should be for almost 4x the money. The lagom mini is a fantastic option if it’s in your budget
i hear you say it's good on retention, is that still with a drop of water?? or is this thing not retaining any grounds even without a drop or spray of water. currently using the jx pro and that thing loves a spray of water to not retain a thick coating of grounds post grind!
Kyle - Question. Do you think the magnet on the bottom of the dosing cup will effect or damage the lunar scale? Great video by the way, still happy with my purchase!
Great video! 👍 I literally drink filter n french press everyday n have the odd espresso I do take milk with my coffee and have been advised conical burrs a better suited for coffee with milk? True? So I've been debating between the ode with ssp n the nieche so far for a while!! But seems like this might be the best option? 🤔
@@KyleRowsell I just thought with ssp it would be alot better with the burrs that it comes with as they have a bad rep After this video I thinking more between lagom mini or Niche With me having milk in my coffee- I'm told conical burrs would be better than flats- what's you're take on this Kyle? (I drink medium/light roasts normally)
Very interesting video as always. Definitely looking towards ur Burr Coating video! Which one between the two 48mm would you think is best for 100% espresso brewing? Both my best friend and GF will be buying a "Gaggia Classic Pro" later this year and fully upgrade them. I was then looking for the best affordable espresso grinder for them. Hey would only be doing 2 cups a day, and my GF 3 cups on avg. We all live alone so no need of something that can withstand 100g/day or do espresso for 5 persons at the same time if you see what I mean. As always, quality over quantity and so far I haven't seen anything that seems to be his good for that price! I gave her the Sette 270Wi from my mom since I got her the new "Eureka Oro" that's obviously better but 2x more also than the Option-O so can't be compared. The DF64 looks like some fugly plastic junk and I don't trust the Chinese, nor something that's avg out of the box and needs SSP burr upgrade right away or even more mods. That's why I don't see what would be my other options if they don't want to spend 1000$CAD. By the way also... Why the heck is Option-O that popular and in demand, yet one of the few brands to always be BACKORDERED and available almost nowhere?!? Can't they hire more people, improve their manufacturing process and build more of them already?
It is a super cool grinder but I'm on a tight budget so I'll be going for K or J series as my allrounder for V60 and espresso to complement my Mignon, that totally sucks for dialing back and forth. Definitely tempting with the new burr and all. I think I'll give it a few years and let them improve the design further. As a total caffeine junkie I would go past the recommended daily grinding pretty quickly.
I bought a K-max as a general purpose grinder. I find it is a pain grinding medium or light roasts for espresso. I am saving up for a mini, unless something better comes along in the next few months.
@@AlanKlughammer X-Pro is supposed to be awesome for taste and all purpose but I can't vouch for how it is to grind very fine or light roasts. Still using the Q2 for brewing and electric for espresso, I was too broke and new models came out :) Gonna see what the next 6 months bring in the 1z lineup.
Would you say this would be better than the Sette 270 or would you still recommend the Sette over this as an entry grinder to match with the Gaggia Classic? Use case is making a double shot or two every morning. Nothing crazy.
So if you mainly brew espresso and do filter occasionally then what would you recommend at this price point? (400ish) We basically grind for 2 double shots a day and that’s about it.
This will do the job. But I’m just hesitant to say it’ll be perfect. It seems many in the comments aren’t facing stalling which is great. If not the mini, maybe the df64 or sette
Kyle my friend, currently using an IZ-JXPro. My daily coffee maker is a Moka pot. Trying not to get too crazy expensive with my coffee setup, would you say the option-o mini is worth the upgrade? I have no complaints with my hand grinder, but the idea of upgrading is always nice. Thanks in advance and I love the channel
I’d love to say yes but hey, if you enjoy you’re current setup enjoy it! Upgrading won’t really make better coffee. Put that money into buying some incredible coffee instead!
I'm using the JX Pro to. From my previous reading I think the burrs on the JX Pro are very similar to the Lagom Mini. Given that hand grinding should reduce static slightly I can't see how it would be an "upgrade" other than the ability to save about 20 seconds in grind time?
As a filter coffee person, who happens to pull espresso with a lever machine on occasion, I really want to pick up this grinder. Currently grinding on the jx-pro and an encore, and brewing on a Flair Signature/v60, and I'm think this would be the perfect upgrade into my set up.
@@KyleRowsell Hey Kyle, I just revisited this video for a refresher on the debate, but I was curious if you had a chance to side by side the Option-o Moonshine burrs to the Fellow Ode SSP burrs. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I recently picked up the Ode and upgraded to SSP, but still have my doubts on whether or not I made the right choice. Cheers
Thanks for the video. I use the p64 with HU burrs daily for my Decent Espresso machine, also have a Niche but not used much now. I’m considering the mini for my campervan, to use with a La Pavoni lever, we only grind for espresso and only drink it with milk. Which burr would you feel might suit us best?
Hi Kyle, apology for commenting here which may not be directly relevant but I need your help. I bought the Lagom Mini upon viewing your first review, but it has been 2 months delay since the supposed delivery date and unfortunately I didn’t get any respond from the local distributor nor Option-O customer service (sent them email with the email address on their website). I kind of desperate to know what’s going on with my purchase and hope you can direct me to the right person to follow up on my lagom mini purchase/ delay. thanks in advance!
Thank you - you're awesome. very helpful. I mainly do espresso - 1-2 a day - requested the moonshine - I think it should do the trick. Appreciate your videos!
Are there any reasons for these grinders using conical burrs over flat burrs? Is it to minimise retention? Could Niche or Option-O switch to flat burrs or are there technical reasons why they can’t? Don’t really understand the reasons behind conical vs flat burrs
hi kyle, i wonder if i should get this or df64 for both espresso and filter? Its 100$ more expensive than df64 stock burrs in my country and a little cheaper than SSP Unimodal burrs. or maybe DF64 stock with K plus? But its getting more expensive and i still wonder about moonshine burrs vs K plus in term of taste tho
Did you say why you would be less likely to recommend it if your interested in using it primarily for espresso? I feel like I missed the why... Also, if you want options in your grinder, could it make sense to choose this to contrast with say a p64 unimodal (V2) or sweet burr set? Would the obsidian actually be a bigger contrast with more fines?
Hey! I talked about this in my last video, but option o has stated that this motor isn’t ideal for massive espresso usage. It should be totally fine but it’s obviously not the powerhouse that something like the p64 would be. As for the p64 I can’t compare. Ones a flat and ones a conical. But I love them both. Especially for the value the mini provides.
Hey! Gréât vidéo again! Im looking for a grinder for my aunt to who I just recommended the Rancillio Silvia! She lives alone and makes mostly milk drink and doesn't have a lotta space..! Do you think that mini would work well even tho she makes mostly espresso ?
PS to last, I looked yesterday 11 June at option-o to perhaps purchase moonshine, and I did not see it offered. Maybe I missed it? Depending on cost, assuming about $60, I would buy moonshine. And yes, the mini is perfect for my daily filter brews. Again, never had a stall here.
I have tried both Obsydian and Moonshine. Moonshine is definitely the killer with the flavor is as close to the Comandante. I don't think Obsydian is good for filter in my opinion. But anyway, I like the Lagom Mini with Moonshine.
Hey Kyle would there be any reason to use the moonshine over the p64 other than budget? I already own the p100 was looking to grab a mini to set and forget for filter and use the p100 strictly for espresso
Not necessarily. They’re very different grinders. One a small conical and one a flat powerhouse. But I love the mini for a filter grinder. That’s a great plan.
7:30 weird they have such a big power brick for this grinder. If you're buying something of this size, it should go without saying that space is limited. I'm going to wait and see if they address this on their upgrade.
Kyle great review as always! I also haven't had any stall issues with this grinder as I strictly use it for espresso with my flair 58. I use a fellow ode for filter. You go into depth with the moonshine burrs for filter but briefly with espresso. You mentioned higher clarity. Would the upgrade to the moonshine produce too high of clarity while loosing texture for espresso?
Great video as always! Which refractometer is that? It looks like the one from Aliexpress. Do you know how precise it is compared to more expensive ones? (You should review the Mac studio 😁)
It is the aliexpress one. It’s okay! Not bad for the price. My vst died so it’s holding me off for now. As for the studio…. Haha we’ll see. I’ve thought about starting a second channel for random vids. Maybe someday.
So Kyle, in your opinion, I take it that the Ode never really lived up to it's promise? I got one with the version 1.1 burrs and was disappointed that it didn't even come close to standing up to my C-40 or K-max (and not because of the grind range which is perfectly fine for my pour over style).
I use it daily for espresso. Never used it for filter. Never had any stalling after a few months. Loving it so far.
So stoked to hear that
What type of beans do you use?
@@NoZenith lighter side of medium roasts
@@Myusernamehere33 thank you!
Yo how did you dial it in for Espresso? I just got mine and struggling to find the setting because of the lack of numbers on the dial. I guess I’m trying to ask how many turns did it take for you to find that sweet spot that works for Espresso?
I would absolutely love a video on the difference between conical v flat burrs and how the coating affects them and the coffee. I definitely think that would be a great video for people who want to know the difference and what they want to look for in a grinder!
In the works! 😁
@@KyleRowsell Well now I'm extra excited for that video!
Yeah.
conical or flat -- THAT IS NOT WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE!!
yada yada
I just got a Lagom Mini with moonshine burrs as an almost exclusive espresso grinder, and I'm loving it. Hardly takes up any room, looks really nice next to my Cafelat Robot, works right out of the box, and super low retention/static. Plus I love that it's stepless.
what does the retention look like? I currently have the sette 270 and im so frustrated with how much it retains and the inconsistency of it
@@onefive10 I find it has very minimal retention, you just have to let it run for 5-10 seconds after it’s mostly done grinding to get all the grinds out. You can also buy a cheap billow online if you really want to get everything out, but I haven’t found that necessary.
How long does it take you to grind 18g for espresso with the moonshines? Wondering if significantly longer than with obsidians as I know you have to go a bit finer.
@@angiifrenchfry a little over 30 seconds usually, 45s max. It’s never been a huge issue since I always have to wait for water anyways, and never do more than 2 shots back to back
@@jacobfiksel3600 thanks! I can definitely deal with that. I use a flair pro so have other things to do in the meantime and can probably grind a bit coarser anyway
I have a DF64 w/ HU burrs and Lagom Mini. This is how I look at it. If you're going to dive deep into espresso, hands down get the DF64. If you just need a good enough grinder that you dont want to tinker with, get the lagom mini.
Hi Christopher, I am considering between these two grinders. Did you get SSP for your DF64?
Mine just arrived 1 month ago, love it! Might upgrade to the P64 in the far future, love the machined body of Option-O grinders!
Glad to hear it! Enjoy and thanks for the comment!
Almost had a heart attack when I saw this video posted since I pre-purchased this grinder because of your initial review. Glad your opinion hasn't changed since, and I hope mine doesn't stall too
Haha! My opinions can change with time but not this one. Thanks for watching!
Great review Kyle. Your original review was one the reasons I ordered mine it he first place. It’s only just arrived (with the obsidian burrs), and so far it’s brewing great coffee.
I completely agree with you that whilst ultra compact, it doesn’t have enough weight or stability in the base to turn it on or off one handed, which can be frustrating. Likewise, having to use two hands to rotate the dial can also be annoying at times, especially as you have to remove the magnetic lid. But the biggest frustration for me has been the removal of the printed numbers on the latest version, particularly as they did this between my ordering it and shipping. I can’t understand the rationale, and it makes dialling in and switching between filter and espresso far more difficult than it should be.
Whilst I love the coffee it makes, the Niche easily retains it’s crown as ‘King of the workflow’, and I won’t be selling it anytime soon!
Woah they removed the numbers? Dang. That’s a bummer!
@@KyleRowsell Yep. Really frustrating, and hard to understand the rationale. Apparently it was because people were struggling with the fact that the zero point wasn’t consistent across grinders - but removing the numbers makes it a lot harder to dial in, and I have to re-zero between every grind. This seems like a backwards step from a company who usually make sensible decisions with the end user in mind.
Hey Kyle,
Thanks for the shout out man. I actually have this grinder from February and I'm extremely satisfied with the workflow and look.
But I had the stalling issue from the beginning after a couple of weeks they sent me a newer version of power brick and it fixed the stalling with Obsidian but as soon as I installed moonshine burrs it came back and it came back big time. After our talk in discord I contacted them for a replacement. They told me a stronger power will fix my issue.
I will share an update once I tested that.
Thanks Arian! Please post an update in the discord when you have one!
If u can let us know in this comment thread too please 🙏
I originally ordered the normal 'obsydian' burrs last week with no clue that the 'Moonshine' burrs existed, because at the time, it was not an option on their site. But then the great folks at Option-O reached out to ask if I wanted to change my burrs to their new 'Moonshine' burrs...I said yes, without knowing anything about 'clear-coat' vs 'aggressive-coat'; this is also my first ever coffee grinder. Needless to say, this video has really relaxed my nerves, from wondering if I made the right decision, to knowing that I did! Super excited for the Lagom mini!
Ah Kenny this made me smile! Glad to help!
I've had a Mini with obsidian burrs for about 4 months now and it's been great. I got it after seeing one of your earlier vids on it. I'm new to espresso so I wanted something at a lower price point to get my feet wet with dialing in. I've never had stalling, and at most am using it a max of 3 times a day between espresso and filter. One thing for daily use is that mine's definitely not zero retention. I always have to knock it to get back what I'm putting in, or run it for a while after you'd expect it to be done to get everything through. It's definitely improved my shots and I'm really enjoying using it, so thanks for putting it on my radar!
I will say, US customs clearly took mine apart, left it in pieces, and lost one of the 3 very necessary screws during shipping. I had to wait a while to get a replacement before starting it up. So it runs great, but shipping with the screws in some kind of protection would probably improve the whole initial experience.
How long does it take you to grind 18g for espresso with the obsidians?
I've had my Logom Mini 48mm for around a month and love it, use it for pour over, espresso and even for the Moccamaster and it does a great job in all of them, my c40 does have more clarity in pour overs, but to use it to grind 60g for the Moccamaster is just a pain, so the Logom Mini is perfect for that, I've had no stalling yet even when feeding in 60g for the Moccamaster. I would be keen to try the moonshine burr, but I think I will wait until I've recieved the Kopi Deva (fingers crossed) as I really want to try flat burrs before trying more conical. Loving the content Kyle, thanks
Ah yes the Kopi. I’d love to get my hands on one.
@@KyleRowsell me too still waiting for mine although J do know a few people who have gotten theirs now, If you lived a little closer I would let you borrow it (once I'd had a chance to play with it of cousse), but shipping over to you from the UK would be a costly option.
The Kopi seems to be great! Unfortunately the AKKU feature is a absolute no go for me...
@@SarntAKluss The AKKU works well for me, I have limited sockets available on my kitchen counters so it means I can site the grinder close to my espresso machine and I only have to unplug the espresso machine while I charge the Deva, usually over night. So I don't have any time I can't grab an espresso fix. Mind you she's a heavy beast the battery packs.
I've had mine for 2 months and I only grind light roast. Never stalled. I use it for espresso and occasionally pour over, but I find my comandante to be superior for pour over.
You're not the first I heard to say this. I wonder if the Moonshine can better the 48 Obsidian and be more comparable with the C40.
@@bowieknife as I mentioned in this video, after weeks of testing and comparing I feel it does.
Got mine last week with the moonshine burrs! Love it! Your Lagom Mini videos (vs Ode and Niche) are what made me commit!
Thanks Kyle.
How long are you finding it takes to grind 18g for espresso with the moonshine burrs?
Awesome update! A burr coatings video would be great. Never seen other TH-camrs explore that topic.
Thanks for the comment! Will keep in mind!
7:00 sounds like they set a torque limit to prevent damage if you get a jam, like a stone or other foreign object in your coffee, (which is a common thing for grinders to have, as a safety precaution) but maybe they messed up and set it a bit too low (or just put in a slightly more powerful motor in the later versions).
8:04 So not recommended to keep near the edge of your table... especially if you have cats :D
Ha yes keep away from table edges 😅
@@KyleRowsell id live to buy an aftermarket weighted platform to keep it more stable but still be very compact. If i get one(very likely ) i might jut do some wood working to set a piece of wood under it trace it shallow out with a router. And cut the outside shape the same shape but bigger to look good and compact. And clear coat it or use bamboo or ceader raw. Anyone feel free to stral that idea 💡 its not ricket science and im no pro. But make a video if u can and let us know
Also in my experience, using that rubbery mosepad bottom material works super amazing. And usually u can just peel the fabric off cheap ones if u feel thats an issue for gluing it to the bottom of the base
One day after watching this video, Option O sent an email asking if I would like to change my preorder to Moonshine burrs. Since my daily driver is a C40, my answer was a resounding YES.
Nice service. Well done Option O
Hearing a coffee guy talk about powerlifting made my day ☕️🏋️🏽♂️
It’s about time I start using analogies to personal niche hobbies 🤟🏼
@@KyleRowsell it was a great one! I think it was well explained for people who don't have first hand experience as well.
@@TheMarcioChannel stoked to hear it resonated with you. All the best!
Recently got my Lagom Mini, sadly too late to get Moonshine burrs with it but hopefully Option-O will sell the burrs separately eventually as I’d be interested to try them.
One thing that bugs me, and it’s by no means specific to Option-O. They claim for example that the Moonshine coating produces less fines and therefore impacts cup quality. You can’t prove a cup of coffee tastes “better” on a graph of course, but things like a PSD for a given grinder / burr set are certainly measurable. If you’re going to make a claim like coating X produces less fines and more clarity, I feel like it should be basically mandatory to post the receipts.
What I’d love to see is give us a distribution graph from both burrs with the same coffee put through each, let the consumer see & decide from there. Otherwise it’s nearly impossible to judge as a customer if you’re just being sold a bunch of marketing based pseudo science.
Not picking on Option-O here at all, this is just a wistful comment generally on the state of coffee marketing.
All that said… I’m still curious to try the Moonshine burrs and see if I can
tell the difference 😆
Love this, would love to see the same. Thanks for watching!
Lagom mini 48mm vs DF64 taste difference in espresso and filter coffee ?
Love this grinder. Had it for a couple months and get delicious results using a picopresso. No issues apart from the bottom of the dosing cup falling out, but that was a quick fix.
So happy to hear this. Thanks for watching!
Was it defective? Or just a mod? How did u fix it?
Hi Kyle, I am in a market for a new grinder. A small, compact, efficient and functional one that is electric and pleasing to the eyes. I think this grinder fits the bill. I already own a Niche Zero and I love it. I use it primarily for espresso and Moka pot. For pour overs, I tend to use a hand grinder even thought my Niche is capable of grinding for pour overs. I just find the process of changing grind sizes every day to be a hassle and sometimes my Niche misses grinding a bean or two when I change its grind size. I like the fact that this grinder can do espresso occasionally but I would dedicate it primarily for pour overs. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for watching! And glad this video helped friend
Looks like 49th parallel coffee...great choice! Thanks for a great rundown on this grinder. I'm slowly talking myself into upgrading my espresso grinder, and love any of this kind of content I can find.
Thanks Scot! It is 49th! I try to represent Canada with my coffee choices on my yt videos. Thanks for watching
You are NOT isolated re non-stalling, ie, I've also been using my mini for 6 months, I've never stalled. I use a different grinder, Niche, for espresso. When I feel the need to excercise, I use my comandante. Your review(s) are spot on from my perspective! thanks!!
So happy to hear this! Honestly. I couldn't share that mine has stalled when it never has just because others on the internet have had that experience. I even stumbled across a reddit post where someone suggested I was a shilling the product or that I wasn't fully honest with my audience because I didn't share that mine stalled. I'd never do this. I was beyond bummed to read it. Anyways, glad to hear your experience resonates with mine.
Thank you Kyle, looking into pulling the trigger on this one 😁
Thanks for watching!
reminds me of the properties of machining tools used in manual and cnc machines. coated cutters tend to have a softer edge which doesnt work well with light cuts. coating happens after the machining/grinding process so the cutting edges tend to be a little more rounded over. this does have benefits. a softer edge lasts much much longer and can take much heavier cuts without chipping. uncoated cutters can easily take very light cuts since they are sharper but are less resilient to wear and tear. its surprising just how much these carry over to burrs as well.
This is the best pairing grinder for the Niche Zero. For those who want to 'upgrade' to flat burrs like the P64, you should try this one first to test if you really like the clarity of modern espresso. If not, it can still be your pour-over only grinder. If yes, your upgrade to the P64 will not disappoint. I think Timemore 064S + Lagom Mini will be the BEST PAIR for espresso + pull over just before the "diminishing of return " at 2024
I’ve ordered one with the moonshine burr, based on your review. I drink espresso and pour over coffee and l like it often with cream. A long wait until September when shipping is promised. I normally don’t spend lots of $$$ on what I would call a food processor. A bit nervous about that. I enjoy you videos because they are down to earth and to the point. Thank you.
I hope you enjoy Robert! It’s a great little grinder.
After using this grinder for about 4 months I find only one problem with it. Some of the coffee beans are to large to feed into the grinder. You either have to dump or pry them out or maybe forcefully push them through. It works for me overall.
With a 3D-printed funnel, and if you are cool slow-feeding beans, I’ve been SO happy with this grinder for both filter and espresso.
Why the need to slow feed?
@@KyleRowsell to avoid stalling when grinding for espresso (which I experience when I don’t slow-feed). For filter no need to slow-feed at all.
@@ericanderson1753 have you reached out to option O? It seems based on my comment responses that most people are no longer facing stalling issues
@@KyleRowsell I have not. Maybe I should do so.
I’d love a video detailing the best grinder for cold brew. I always see videos about espresso and pour overs, but I’ve found grinding coarse to be problematic with how many fines are produced, yet coffee shops continue to make cold brew better than I can and I’m sure its due to the grinders.
$10 mr coffee grinder (blender, more like) made delicious cold brew..
80g coffee. 16 oz water (water bottle) in French press. Cover, but don’t press. Leave it on counter for 24 hours. Press pour into mason jar. Drink next day.
Added milk and ice and syrup. My wife and I shared. (made 4 servings)
Had wiiiiiide awake, haha.
Fyi, I just followed a 2 minute Starbucks video.
For espresso I have much more expensive set up I won’t get into.. it’s been waaay harder to get consistently good espresso 😬
🍻
2 months in on lagom mini usage just missing out on the moonshine burrs (obsidian). For my workflow 50:50 Chemex/espresso this has been worth every penny. Your minor improvement points are spot on, i position the grinder on a simple silicone mat to prevent slippage when operating, also tends to rotate when adjusting the dial, a minor niggle for an amazing well constructed grinder that I am hoping will be with me for many years to come.
Glad this video resonates with your experiences!
Can't wait to watch the review about p100. Hopefully you get one someday 😁✌
Same 🥲
It’s your fault I did an ADD TO CART! Just messing with you. Been looking to upgrade from my very first grinder the Baratza Encore which has served me well. It will get a thorough cleaning and passed on to someone in need. Looking forward to my new grinder.
Enjoy!
The Mini arrived last week and I couldn’t be happier. Grind quality is good and the lack of noise is GREAT!
Thanks for the great review Kyle. Your content quality and skills have been constantly improved, absolutely love it and also inspiring too!
Appreciate it!
what do you mean by 3 cups a day? like an 8 hour cooldown between uses? a 12 hour rest after every three? 3 uses a day over 2 years before failure?
Orange juice with aeropress, that's what I'm drinking to your video today ✌️😁
Great news on that Lagoom, it may be better than Niche for me if I'll ever decide on one of them 😁
Enjoy friend!
Hi Kyle!
Why do you feel icy recommending this grinder as primary espresso grinder? Thanks for this review by the way!
So for espresso and breve's which would you reccomend? Lagom mini or the Niche zero? I'm torn
How much is the moonshine cost? Can you order it separately? Great video. Thanks
The design is superb. Imagine if they kept the compact shape but did larger burrs … Would be amazing.
The only guy out here talking about coating, and we’re here for it. 😎
Thanks!
Thanks for the review I’m going to order the Option-O - I bought into the hype of the Fellow Ode and have been a bit disappointed with the stock burrs and the SSP’s are never in stock; I’m also not sure that’s the answer to finer lighter roasted coffees in your basic V60 let alone an occasional Robot manual espresso - I really enjoy your channel, thanks for putting out regular content
Aloha Kyle. In your video you mention reservations about using this Lagom Mini exclusively for espresso. We use an Ode 2 for French Press and are looking for a smallish electric grinder exclusively for light duty espresso grinding (2-3 cups per day on average). If not a Lagom Mini, then what to get? Mahalo for any feedback.
Hey Kyle. Trying to decide between this and the df-64. I’ll be using it 80% for filter and 20% for espresso. Mostly light roasted coffee and looking for high clarity. What are your thoughts?
I’d personally choose this but I prefer ease of use and workflow and retention over “clarity” chasing.
I’m tempted to get one, but I have plenty of grinders already (Niche, Ode with SSP, Orphan OG, Option-O Remi), and I don’t think it’ll get used enough to justify it (the hand grinders mainly get used for travel, with my Flair Pro).
Of course what I should do is buy a P64 and then sell the Ode and the Niche. We’ll see.
Haha I hear ya. But I justify it with being a TH-camr. My wife would likely not be pleased otherwise 🙃
How does this grinder work for cold brew? Can it grind coarse enough? And would I be able to grind, say, 200g of beans in one go by continually pouring them down the hopper?
What is the other grinder you mention at 6:16 ? I can’t find any info on it and as the mini is difficult / expensive to get in europe I was wondering if it could be an option ? Great video, I am actually waiting to get more info on the vs3 that is more available and cheaper in europe to pull the trigger for an espresso grinder
If my primary use is going to be pulling a couple double shots A-day and a 6 cup mocha pot as my alternate for larger batches, or perhaps several shots on a Bambino Plus, wuld I burn this unit up? I'm also kinda worried about overclocking it on those weekends days when both of us are up and around and drink several cups of coffee... I fell in love with the Lagom Mini when it was 1st being reviewed and Out of stock but I became very leery when all of the issues cropped up especially with people stressing it's only good for a couple shots A-day... I had already been sincerely shopping things to compete directly with the Niche Zero or Mignon series for the last couple of years as I did my research on what setup I wanted (how I found you).
Would you suggest I just commit to the Niche Zero since I also occasionally do other brew methods and want a stand alone multi use grinder?
Nice Kyle! That grinders looks better everytime I look at it
Thanks for watching!
I want to update my bean to cup coffee machine to a real espresso machine. I think I will go with lelit bianca and the grinder which one will u recommend lagom mini is good especially the price is in my range, niche zero is bit over budget. For my whole family usually we take about 7 cups a day.
Thanks for the video. How does the Lagom mini compare to the Baratza Sette 270 in your opinion? I mainly grind for espresso but I think single dosing is more suitable for my domestic use case.
I’d prefer it. But the 270 had some bells and whistles like dosing and programable buttons.
Hi Kyle.. I know its been 1 year since u posted this video..But ya, want to share my thoughts... I am from Malaysia.. I have been using the Lagom Mini for roughly a while now..
And yes, I managed to stall my mini, and that's when I first started out where I mistakenly taken 0.8 of a turn as 8 small dots when grinding for espresso, so when it kept jamming my linea micra and after 5-6 trials, one after another (with 8 small dots setting), then ya.. it started to get quite warm and finally stalled, but what I want to share is, even it stalled, by opening up the space (increasing to 10-12 dots) it kinda re-grind back without switching off and on, which I knew I was working it too hard, so I stopped (then went back to the manual where it actually meant 0.8 of a revolution). Well, not a great experience, but just sharing my stress at the time.
So, my thought is, unless we are grinding for super fine coffee like Turkish grinds, this grinder won't stall at all.. as I had tried 0.65 revolution and back to back 10 espresso shots, no issues (dint even get warm, kinda an indication for me to stop grinding and let it rest)
Well, just sharing my experience so others don't have to go through what I went through..😬😅
Is this lagom mini a variable RPM machine? If not, how low is the RPM, I want lower RPM for clarity and do not care how long grinding takes. thanks. Also, how does the moonshine burr compare to a flat burr for clarity; some are saying it really makes the conical better. I want higher clarity for lever espresso and I roast light roasts. On the spectrum, how does moonshine burr compare to a flat burr like DF64?
I'm saying thank you as I hit play before I even watch it. I've been waiting for your re-review of this product before I committed
Ah right on! Thanks for watching!
@Kyle Rowsell came back with a new question. Your personal recommendation Niche vs Mini... I intend to pull at minimum one shot A-day probably 2 possibly 4 fairly regularly. My secondary brew method is A 6 cup mokapot. I do occasional pour overs and the neighbor brings her Drip-o-later for board game nights. I am afraid I might burn the Lagom Mini up but its versatility, Obvious appeal to both you and Lance and it's compact size are all massively appealing to me 🥲. I'm not seeing much about how much brew grinding you can do with it just that you aren't supposed to pull many shots per day.
Thank you.
When it comes to third wave water, would you recommend the espresso or light profile for light roasted SO espresso?
Espresso!
Is it possible to use it for more coffees than 2? I mean when your friends come over and you have to make like 5-6 espressos. Thank you
I got mine two weeks ago. Love it. It is really quite.
Glad to hear you like it! Thanks for the comment.
I bought it. It’s great. I use it for Moka Brikka Pot. Perfect for that. Are you sponsored by Lagom??
Thanks, Kyle. I was wondering if there is a significant improvement on espresso compared to P64? I found nobody has done this comparison on the whole Internet. I think the answer is helpful for people who is considering upgrade to P64.
The p64 is a flat burr grinder. Very different. This is a compact conical grinder. The p64 is easily a better espresso grinder but it should be for almost 4x the money. The lagom mini is a fantastic option if it’s in your budget
i hear you say it's good on retention, is that still with a drop of water?? or is this thing not retaining any grounds even without a drop or spray of water. currently using the jx pro and that thing loves a spray of water to not retain a thick coating of grounds post grind!
Great video as always!
Glad you enjoyed!
Kyle - Question. Do you think the magnet on the bottom of the dosing cup will effect or damage the lunar scale? Great video by the way, still happy with my purchase!
It hasn’t damaged mine!
@@KyleRowsell well that’s good!
Great review, subbed! Is there an option to order just the burr, not seeing it on their site
Thanks! Context them direct
@@KyleRowsell awesome thanks!
Check with a high altitude coffee with a light roast for staling. Nice review.
Thank you for your 6 months review. I like the design of this grinder but I think although it's protable but still not chargeable for outdoor use.
You’re correct! It’s not chargeable, it needs an outlet
Would the only reason to get the Mini over the DF64 be the desire for the conical burr profile?
Yes, plus design and size. This works without any needed mods. But If you want an espresso powerhouse this may not be it.
Would this be a better grinder over df64 for espresso since theyre in the same price range
Great video! 👍 I literally drink filter n french press everyday n have the odd espresso
I do take milk with my coffee and have been advised conical burrs a better suited for coffee with milk? True?
So I've been debating between the ode with ssp n the nieche so far for a while!! But seems like this might be the best option? 🤔
I see people selling their Odes often, I rarely see the Niche or this Lagom Mini. I initially wanted an Ode, but have now changed my mind.
@@clovala yeh im now thinking nieche or lagom mini
Any reason why the ode with stock burrs isn’t worth it for you? Why spend $200 on ssp?
The lagom mini is great for filter. I love mine.
@@KyleRowsell I just thought with ssp it would be alot better with the burrs that it comes with as they have a bad rep
After this video I thinking more between lagom mini or Niche
With me having milk in my coffee- I'm told conical burrs would be better than flats- what's you're take on this Kyle? (I drink medium/light roasts normally)
Very interesting video as always. Definitely looking towards ur Burr Coating video! Which one between the two 48mm would you think is best for 100% espresso brewing?
Both my best friend and GF will be buying a "Gaggia Classic Pro" later this year and fully upgrade them. I was then looking for the best affordable espresso grinder for them. Hey would only be doing 2 cups a day, and my GF 3 cups on avg. We all live alone so no need of something that can withstand 100g/day or do espresso for 5 persons at the same time if you see what I mean.
As always, quality over quantity and so far I haven't seen anything that seems to be his good for that price! I gave her the Sette 270Wi from my mom since I got her the new "Eureka Oro" that's obviously better but 2x more also than the Option-O so can't be compared. The DF64 looks like some fugly plastic junk and I don't trust the Chinese, nor something that's avg out of the box and needs SSP burr upgrade right away or even more mods.
That's why I don't see what would be my other options if they don't want to spend 1000$CAD. By the way also... Why the heck is Option-O that popular and in demand, yet one of the few brands to always be BACKORDERED and available almost nowhere?!? Can't they hire more people, improve their manufacturing process and build more of them already?
It is a super cool grinder but I'm on a tight budget so I'll be going for K or J series as my allrounder for V60 and espresso to complement my Mignon, that totally sucks for dialing back and forth. Definitely tempting with the new burr and all. I think I'll give it a few years and let them improve the design further. As a total caffeine junkie I would go past the recommended daily grinding pretty quickly.
I bought a K-max as a general purpose grinder. I find it is a pain grinding medium or light roasts for espresso. I am saving up for a mini, unless something better comes along in the next few months.
@@AlanKlughammer X-Pro is supposed to be awesome for taste and all purpose but I can't vouch for how it is to grind very fine or light roasts. Still using the Q2 for brewing and electric for espresso, I was too broke and new models came out :) Gonna see what the next 6 months bring in the 1z lineup.
Is there a way i can buy moonshine burrs? It seems like they are not on option-o website. I own a Lagom mini with obsydian burrs. :(
Any noticeable lovemarks / scratches on the silver body? I'm still thinking of upgrading to an electric grinder from the C40 for my Cafelat Robot.
Not on my mini. It seems to be more resilient than my p64
@@KyleRowsell Interesting! Thanks
@@bowieknife always!
Would you say this would be better than the Sette 270 or would you still recommend the Sette over this as an entry grinder to match with the Gaggia Classic? Use case is making a double shot or two every morning. Nothing crazy.
I prefer this to the sette
I bought the grinder with obsidian before moonshine burrs were out. Would the cost of ordering moonshine while already having obsidians be worth it?
The differences are minimal. But I like the moonshine
So if you mainly brew espresso and do filter occasionally then what would you recommend at this price point? (400ish)
We basically grind for 2 double shots a day and that’s about it.
This will do the job. But I’m just hesitant to say it’ll be perfect. It seems many in the comments aren’t facing stalling which is great. If not the mini, maybe the df64 or sette
Kyle my friend, currently using an IZ-JXPro. My daily coffee maker is a Moka pot. Trying not to get too crazy expensive with my coffee setup, would you say the option-o mini is worth the upgrade? I have no complaints with my hand grinder, but the idea of upgrading is always nice. Thanks in advance and I love the channel
I’d love to say yes but hey, if you enjoy you’re current setup enjoy it! Upgrading won’t really make better coffee. Put that money into buying some incredible coffee instead!
I'm using the JX Pro to. From my previous reading I think the burrs on the JX Pro are very similar to the Lagom Mini. Given that hand grinding should reduce static slightly I can't see how it would be an "upgrade" other than the ability to save about 20 seconds in grind time?
As a filter coffee person, who happens to pull espresso with a lever machine on occasion, I really want to pick up this grinder. Currently grinding on the jx-pro and an encore, and brewing on a Flair Signature/v60, and I'm think this would be the perfect upgrade into my set up.
I agree. If I was in that situation I’d also want the mini. All the best!
@@KyleRowsell Hey Kyle, I just revisited this video for a refresher on the debate, but I was curious if you had a chance to side by side the Option-o Moonshine burrs to the Fellow Ode SSP burrs. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I recently picked up the Ode and upgraded to SSP, but still have my doubts on whether or not I made the right choice. Cheers
Thanks for the great review, how viable do you think it is to swap out burrs on other manual burr grinders
Depends on the grinder! Many hand grinders use a proprietary burr so it will depend on the model.
Thanks for the video. I use the p64 with HU burrs daily for my Decent Espresso machine, also have a Niche but not used much now. I’m considering the mini for my campervan, to use with a La Pavoni lever, we only grind for espresso and only drink it with milk. Which burr would you feel might suit us best?
Either of the 48mm burrs will suffice. I prefer the moonshine.
Thx Kyle sounds like a fun little grinder. Wish I could afford it! 👍☕️
Grinders aren’t cheap 🥲
I'm considering Lagom mini and the Bambino plus with normcore accessories. How do you feel about this combo? Good budget option for espresso?
I am using this combo for my daily latte. It’s perfect for me and I strongly recommend it.
Yeah that sounds perfect!
Hi Kyle, apology for commenting here which may not be directly relevant but I need your help. I bought the Lagom Mini upon viewing your first review, but it has been 2 months delay since the supposed delivery date and unfortunately I didn’t get any respond from the local distributor nor Option-O customer service (sent them email with the email address on their website). I kind of desperate to know what’s going on with my purchase and hope you can direct me to the right person to follow up on my lagom mini purchase/ delay. thanks in advance!
Appreciate the video, I managed to swap my preorder to the moonshine burrs.
Glad to hear it!
Thank you - you're awesome. very helpful. I mainly do espresso - 1-2 a day - requested the moonshine - I think it should do the trick. Appreciate your videos!
Thanks for watching! Enjoy friend!
So if the power supply / limiter to protect the motor has been changed, does this mean we can expect a shorter motor life?
No I don’t believe so. The original power supply wasn’t limited and the motor was rated for its output.
Are there any reasons for these grinders using conical burrs over flat burrs? Is it to minimise retention? Could Niche or Option-O switch to flat burrs or are there technical reasons why they can’t? Don’t really understand the reasons behind conical vs flat burrs
Hey! I’m working on a video to help answer this!
hi kyle, i wonder if i should get this or df64 for both espresso and filter? Its 100$ more expensive than df64 stock burrs in my country and a little cheaper than SSP Unimodal burrs. or maybe DF64 stock with K plus? But its getting more expensive and i still wonder about moonshine burrs vs K plus in term of taste tho
Hi Kyle, you said that you won't recommend this grinder for people that primally make espresso, but it can still make great espresso. Why?
I’m considering the option-o or the fellow ode with SSP’s for filter coffee. How do you think they stack up?
I have a video talking about this exactly
Did you say why you would be less likely to recommend it if your interested in using it primarily for espresso? I feel like I missed the why...
Also, if you want options in your grinder, could it make sense to choose this to contrast with say a p64 unimodal (V2) or sweet burr set? Would the obsidian actually be a bigger contrast with more fines?
Hey! I talked about this in my last video, but option o has stated that this motor isn’t ideal for massive espresso usage. It should be totally fine but it’s obviously not the powerhouse that something like the p64 would be.
As for the p64 I can’t compare. Ones a flat and ones a conical. But I love them both. Especially for the value the mini provides.
Hey! Gréât vidéo again!
Im looking for a grinder for my aunt to who I just recommended the Rancillio Silvia! She lives alone and makes mostly milk drink and doesn't have a lotta space..! Do you think that mini would work well even tho she makes mostly espresso ?
Absolutely! As long as she’s not doing heavy loads of espresso you should be fine.
PS to last, I looked yesterday 11 June at option-o to perhaps purchase moonshine, and I did not see it offered. Maybe I missed it? Depending on cost, assuming about $60, I would buy moonshine. And yes, the mini is perfect for my daily filter brews. Again, never had a stall here.
Hm maybe my information of release was incorrect. I’m pretty confident they’ll be selling this soon.
What is the biggest arguments against this grinder as a espresso grinder would you say?
I have tried both Obsydian and Moonshine. Moonshine is definitely the killer with the flavor is as close to the Comandante. I don't think Obsydian is good for filter in my opinion. But anyway, I like the Lagom Mini with Moonshine.
Glad to hear it, thanks for sharing!
Would love your opinion on how the Lagom Mini compares with the Varia Vs3, esp for occasional home espresso duties!
Video already in the works. Kinda. It’s a larger comparison.
@@KyleRowsell thanks so much Kyle.
Hey Kyle would there be any reason to use the moonshine over the p64 other than budget? I already own the p100 was looking to grab a mini to set and forget for filter and use the p100 strictly for espresso
Not necessarily. They’re very different grinders. One a small conical and one a flat powerhouse.
But I love the mini for a filter grinder. That’s a great plan.
What’s the serving carafe you’re brewing the v60 on? 😍
7:30 weird they have such a big power brick for this grinder. If you're buying something of this size, it should go without saying that space is limited. I'm going to wait and see if they address this on their upgrade.
Kyle great review as always! I also haven't had any stall issues with this grinder as I strictly use it for espresso with my flair 58. I use a fellow ode for filter. You go into depth with the moonshine burrs for filter but briefly with espresso. You mentioned higher clarity. Would the upgrade to the moonshine produce too high of clarity while loosing texture for espresso?
I still think it’s a fantastic burr for espresso. Again - very similar to the c40. By no means is this a traditional unimodal burr.
@@KyleRowsell awesome! Glad to hear. I think a new burr is in my future.
Great video as always!
Which refractometer is that? It looks like the one from Aliexpress. Do you know how precise it is compared to more expensive ones?
(You should review the Mac studio 😁)
It is the aliexpress one. It’s okay! Not bad for the price. My vst died so it’s holding me off for now.
As for the studio…. Haha we’ll see. I’ve thought about starting a second channel for random vids. Maybe someday.
If you ever get your hands on another VST you should do a comparison between them.
So Kyle, in your opinion, I take it that the Ode never really lived up to it's promise? I got one with the version 1.1 burrs and was disappointed that it didn't even come close to standing up to my C-40 or K-max (and not because of the grind range which is perfectly fine for my pour over style).