Thanks for watching! Easiest way to support the channel is by giving it a thumbs up! Also... I did not initially recognize the resemblance to the Fellow Opus until after filming... We'll chat about that in the review. Let me know your thoughts on the 01!
I had a P100 on order and option-o reached out to me before the announcement and asked if I wanted to wait for “something new” they had coming. Great service!
Kyle - I got my Lagom -01 a week or two ago and I love it. For me it is a huge upgrade from a 15 yo Mini Mazer and the difference in terms of work flow, noise and taste is huge! Considering I only change grinders every 15 yrs I thought I would go all in. I love it a lot! I still would love to see your thoughts...I hope a review is coming.
Stoked for the full review! Hope you’ll compare the 01 with the Zerno 👀 Your early reviews of the Lagom Mini led me to buy that as my first electric grinder and I’ve absolutely loved it. Hoping to add a flat burr to the lineup once my wallet can handle it 😂
I can’t wait for the full review! I've had a Lagom P64 from the current series for about a year and I'm very familiar with it and option o. I've pretty much gone through all of the 64mm burrs and am now in Option O's beta tester program, where I test their latest unreleased discs, everything is very, very exciting and great. But the moment you showed how easy it is to change the zero point, that's when I knew I needed the lagom 01 :D as soon as I had to change the zero point (4 small hex screws under the adjusting mechanism... annoying!) Unfortunately, customs and taxes are always very annoying here in Germany, they often add up to 500 euros or on top of the already big price, so you have to think about it carefully. What I would really like would be to have the Lagom 01 as an espresso only with blind burrs and then my P64 with my SSP Lab Sweet for filter only... total overkill but I'm a fan of 2 grinders for 2 purposes and don't like mixing them up. .. well let's see what 2024 brings with it :D Thanks Kyle, great video as always, now test the hell out of the lagom 01 and the grinding discs, I have to have reasons to support the industry financially :D
My Lagom P100 HU effortlessly grinds my espresso daily. Insane flavors, both as espresso and flat white. I got it last year and planned on keeping it for 5+ years. Difficult upgrade for me to these to get the 102mm blind burrs
Appreciate you sage content as always. I put my order in for the P64 which has enchanted me since I first saw it some time ago. I was informed that they were ahead of schedule and it would be sent 6 weeks early. I was thrilled until I saw this 01 today! I just didn't care for the P100 for a variety of reasons so had no interest. But this 01 seems to really be a step forward and incorporates the freshest design features, from antistatic to a refined knock button. I also am not a fan of forks esthetically but also for the accident potential, vibrating out and damaging the base. I love the substitute design in the 01. I wrote Option O to hold shipment a bit for me to decide if I want to shift into this 01. Its a personal decision, of course, but for the $800 difference which is not a small amount for my budget, does this seem like the end all grinder to go with in your opinion, without testing the final production model? I'm not an upgrade neurotic, but I like to buy the best I can afford at the get go and then use it for years no matter what new shiny comes along, with no regrets. Your esteemed thoughts of 01 over P64 would be greatly valued. Thanks!
Regardless of grinder, I just love your production quality of videos. They are getting better and better!! plus they are treat to watch:) You are amazing at everything!! keep it up and keep posting content!!
@KyleRowsell you mentioned "the next video" and since it's been a while, I was wondering when you were going to do a full review and brew? I'm so close to purchasing this and I would love to see that!
Thank you, Kyle Great first look, it looks like they expect to ship in November. I am curious if the 102 and 98 burrs are swappable or if it requires another burr carrier. I look forward to the full review.
Nodding along to the features and looks and innovations, then looking it up and seeing its $3,900 AUD. Yeahhhhh guess Ill stick with my Breville conical grinder lmao.
I've only partially in watched your video, typing this as I listen. I have a large kitchen, larger than most but I have to see this new grinder is visually too large for the average kitchen environment. I hope you will make a video in the future on the topic, "Do larger burrs positively affect the taste of the coffee?" I can't remember the name of the Vlogger who said the following, but roughly he said the larger burrs primary job is to grind faster in the professional environment. At some point, he stated, larger burr size cease to offer a significant taste difference but does make a difference in coffee shop coffee prep timings.
Hi Kyle, just got mine delivered this week and I’m already loving it! Just wondering what grind range you’re finding works best for most pour overs? And what recipe are you typically using?
I love the idea of this grinder, but the size of the dosing cup relative to the grinder itself is entirely out of proportion. It looks completely out of balance. I also hope they do something about the motor. The sound you're experiencing with this unit sounds like a $50 blade grinder.
It's surprising the P100 comes stock with a super high quality "SSP HU burr" but the newer and better Lagom 01 isnt using SSP this time. Would you say it is a better grinder with a lesser quality burr set if we forget the size difference? Not a lot of manufacturers must be doing 102mm and even less without screws so the choice must be very limited. I'm looking to upgrade my "Ceado E37SD" which uses 83mm, so I was looking into the 01 as i could get it in Canada at wholesale pricing even though it still cost an arm 😅
Same question here! And the magnetic portafilter holder? Does it scratch the base? Are the magnets strong enough to keep it in place when inserting/removing a portafilter?
The P100 has a convoluted in my mind way to adjust to zero. Not to mention I never feel confident after cleaning the burrs. Which I have to say is amazing because after many many months still is close to zero retention. I say all of this because it appears my burrs have scratch lines. You touched on the easier setting to zero. I would like to know they truly improved setting the burrs to zero.
I'm surprised they haven't updated their portafilter forks yet. The modularity is nice, but curious how the forks perform. Do they fall out like the P64 while grinding.
Never had that issue with the p64 but I do have silicone socks on the forks from the Turin/DF series grinders on ! I found some portafilters fit tighter than others due to different thicknesses of the ears in them. The ECM was thin and tilts a bit more still I don't think it ever dropped. Maybe I wouldn't trust it hands free. The Weber unfilter was basically a perfect and tight fit.
I'd love to know if you think this could be a true all-purpose grinder (with the right burrs). For context, I do 60/40% espresso:filter and I currently have an atom (lucca) 75 for espresso, and an acaia Orbit with ssp MP for filter, or modern spro shots. On the DE1. I feel like with all these machines on my bar I can't complain, maybe it's just upgraditis... But in my head I imagine the L01, with the right burr set, could just be the ONE grinder I use for everything. And I'd just sell everything else and have a minimal approach. I know a 'big burr' grinder doesn't always guarantee better coffee (even though everything I've tasted from them have been my favorite shots), but I think for me the idea of one end game grinder, to simplify the amount of gear on the bar, is mainly what I'm interested in. Maybe even picking up a used P100 in a few months if they drop in price could be an option. Anyway, would love your thoughts on that if you could only choose ONE burr with this grinder for everything, if you think that's realistic haha.
Buy the atom pro burrset for your lucca. You won’t be disappointed. You’ll probably find that will be as close to all in one as you can get until you buy an 01. You can sell your orbit. For $250, the burrs are worth a try.
@@eric2005 I actually went down a little research rabbit hole with this a year back! At the time it seems like the burrs were harder to find and more expensive, and the only other caveat was users saying that you really can’t do espresso. I’m on the DE1, so I’m sure if I am grinding almost at chirp, there’s got to be some profile that will give a good shot. Lol even if it doesn’t hit 8-9 bars. Have you used these burrs in the atom 75?
@@eric2005 just tried to look them up and it seems like it’s still almost impossible to just order or find these Pro burrs anywhere. If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated haha
Thank you, Kyle, for this incredible video. As a current P100 user, I would like to know if it is worth upgrading from the P100 to Lagom 01, given the improvements on Lagom 01.
in my "humble" opinion..... ya, maybe, ONLY if you feel spending that kind of $$.... just for sake of !....hey, remember basics, grinding cafe NO ONE DOES "need" a 2650USD grinder..... but again, in my humble opinion, cheers
@Kyle Rowsell I’m considering preordering the Lagom O1 with the 102mm burrs. Do you agree with Brian Quan that it has the wow factor with grinding for espresso?
Looks like a pain to change the bottom burr. Socket wrench to remove bottom carrier? Burrs look amazing though. If I got this I wouldn’t bother changing em.
Kyle, Can you tell me what the difference between September coffee vs Pilot Coffee. I’d like to try your coffee and what would you recommend. I usually buy medium to light coffee. If I was looking to get flat burr grinder $1500 candadian dollars max. What would you recommend?
I, by sheer coincidence of the time at which I ordered, have an 01 on the way. I was one of the group you mentioned that was recently given the option to upgrade from my original order （p100 brew）, but way back when I ordered in May I had no idea a new model was coming out. I roast for a local shop that uses an EK4, so I guess for that reason and to compare with my original order, if you could compare/contrast the 102 mizens with the 98 brew burrs and the ek43 burrs that would be wonderful. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work on the videos！
I'd love to see the 01 against the Zerno Z1 v2. The grinding power consistency paired with the pre-breaker is game changer. If a v2 comparison is not possible, please Kyle, check whether the 01 has any dips while grinding coffee because that affects the particle size distribution and in turns cup quality. Thanks!
The big question I have (still watching the video) but Option-O doesn't offer the ability to buy one grinder that supports both 98mm and 102mm. You have to pick one or the other. I'm worried about vendor lock in with the 102, but I really want to have the ability to use them. What would you suggest here?
@@KyleRowsell looking forward to it. I have an order in for the 01 already so the decision has been made, went for the 102mm blind burrs. excited to hear about your experience. Option-O just rocks when it comes to customer service which is huge when you are developing a relationship with a grinder. Can't say the same about some other companies...
Kyle thanks for reviewing this. I did not know this was coming and was ready to push the button on the Weber EG1. Question. Every morning I make a full pot of brew using 65 grams of coffee. Can you easily feed 65 grams into this grinder? The EG1 looks like you have to do a bit at a time which would be a pain, this 01 looks way easier. Also not sure if you have much experience with the EG1 but would you choose the Lagom over the Weber? Thanks.
I have an EG1 and I feed the beans in. I’m sure others just walk the beans in and start it. From this video I can see lost of marring , scratching and damage being cause d by lifting the upper section over the housing to clean the burrs. Also man that sounds loud. The Webber is very very quite. Up to you but after watching this and given the choice I’d still choose the Webber. As for taste. As always it’s so so subjective.
@@obsessedcloset2638 he says the Motor is a louder one in this pre production version so not good to judge based on this which doesn't actually sound that loud to me. I thought the EG1 always sounded liked its struggling to keep up the RPM from what I've seen in videos.
@@KyleRowsellThe EG-1 is huge in person relative to how it looks in media. The Lagom 01 is probably big enough to been entered in as evidence in divorce court proceedings. Grounds…for divorce 😅
@@KyleRowsell it does! Hopefully that development trickle down to more affordable grinders too. More quality coffee to those of us who has a simpler set-up 😊
Am I crazy for considering upgrading from my P100 to the Lagom-01? Lmao, tell me it's not worth it. Save me money. Please cover this during the full review!
At what point does burr size stop mattering? Do the burrs in this grinder provide any meaningful difference over 64mm or 83mm burrs? If there is a difference, can it even be attributed to the burrs, or is it just due to other differences in the grinder or the origin and freshness of the coffee itself?
To me larger burrs seem to bring out more subtle intricate notes and usually is overall smoother. But it also depends on other factors like burr design and rpm etc
I recognize that Option-O has consistently said that alignment is best done at the factory. That said, I’m skeptical- does the user have any options to adjust alignment? After that, kudos to them for using blind burrs! I believe that’s the way to go.
I have three questions about the power buttons. 1) Do I understand correctly that if you press the bottom button the grinder will run continuously until you press it a second time? 2) And, if you press the top button, the grinder will run until it senses the beans have been ground, then momentarily speed up to clear the burrs, then shut off (meaning a single button press is all you need to turn on the grinder, grind a single dose, and have it automatically turn off again)? And 3), If you press the top button to get the grinder running before adding beans, will the sensor detect no beans (because you haven't dumped them in yet), speed up the motor, and then shut off? Or will it give you bit to add the beans?
I think at this point the Zerno is probably the thing to beat, so that's probably the best comparison. It's gotta be categorically better than the Zerno to justify itself for me.
Zerno Z1 is 64mm. Workflow and features on the p100 is already better. It makes little sense to compare with this or use it as a benchmark rather than the p100 or Weber EG1 or Kafatek Max grinders that's what this is competing with. However it is always fun to put different classes or types of gear against each other to see what the differences are and help you decide what's best for you or what's the best value if it is worth spending that much more money or not.
Why has none of the go-to grinder review channels done a video about the Feld47 by MadeByKnock yet? It's been on the market for years, with several upgrades, and everyone reviewed all the options made in China, but it's made in the UK, which to some people is an important purchasing decision.
Hello Kyle. Thank you for the great video. I want to buy a new coffee grinder, I choose between LAGOM P100 or LAGOM 01. It's also very difficult to decide on the 102mm or 98mm version of LAGOM 01. I'm really looking forward to your detailed review on LAGOM 01. Maybe you can hint how long to wait for it? %)
Well from what I heard the only benefit you get from burr size is how fast it grinds. This could be sufficient for workflow on SSP MP burrs that grind slow. The biggest burr grinder I heard of so far was Molar Z with 120mm. The most interesting grinder for me right now is Aries cause I am yet to see a good workflow single dose big conical grinder besides Niche. I saw you had it in the other videos, any thoughts about it?
Unfortunately not that simple, bigger burr are not just more consistent these also tend to offer more of everything and be less one dimensional. It’s true in the days past bigger burr was for large flow but just isn’t so anymore
There is also the HG1 Prime HG2 and Key if you're looking for a big conical. The non coated HG1 burrs seem to be a little more conical like. Less flavor clarity and more body.
@@valentinkuznecov6256 yeah Wug2 seems good. I didn't have to slow feed my Weber Key it never really stalled on me just hesitated at like 30 rpm if grinding very fine for espresso with a light roast. But some people did have issues with that. Slow feeding is generally what I do for consistency on all my grinders wherever possible. But the slow bean feeder add on I think is good. I have it on the HG2 I have now and it may have made hand grinding for espresso slightly easier definitely helped with preventing popcorning and may have increased flavor clarity. It should come free with all those grinders but nope they don't do that. With slower feeding you probably get more clarity and less body and even more of a flat burrr like profile with the Webers though.
Hi, thanks a lot for such great videos. I am really looking forward to the full review. I hope it works out that you might include your thoughts on the EG-1 as you flow through it. I am looking at both of these and would love your input. (For reference, I have a Mahlkonig k30 vario with SSP HU burrs, GS3 MP, 1969 La Pavoni europiccolo for weekends. I also have a logom mini for travel, moonshine burrs that I like a lot--Option-O's customer service is awesome! I drink straight shots, usually 1:2-1:2.3 ratios, mostly Tim Wendelboe. I am happy with my set up but I think I could really appreciate and enjoy an upgrade to my home grinder, sorry for the back story.) Really grateful for the work you do, it really helps out the home baristas that agonize over things like the best cup!
Well done Kyle your contents are high quality and very informative. Interestingly, the form factors of P100 share some similarity to the Fellow Opus (hopper and adjustment), would be fun to see them next to each other instead of the sculptor since most people in North America hasn’t received theirs.
I would have big issues using this in our shop in a professional setting. As much as the huge burrs with increased cutting surface is a great upgrade to say an EK43 (which would in my mind be the main competitor to the Option-O, definitely not the Weber EG-1), it's too focused on espresso workflow and not workflow for filters or, a big thing that happens quite often in a busy shop in the middle of nowhere - grinding a whole bag of coffee for a customer. The "old" Option-O and the EK43 have the necessary height to fit a bag under the shoot, the EK additionally has an easy bellows mod and a very effective hammer-knocker. For our use cases, I can't see the Lagom 01 realistically used in a shop selling 200+ drinks a day. It would be an amazing end-game solution for RIIIIICH nerdy home baristas, in which case it actually DOES compete with the Weber EG-1.
I can understand a coffee shop need an all -in-one grinder, good for filter, espresso and bags of coffee, but this grinder is not existed yet. For option-o's or even Webber Workshop's design, their focus is brew quality, retenion, then work flow for espresso. Work flow for 15-20g filter is easy, just need a platform to put the dosing cup the catch the grind.
Thanks for watching! Easiest way to support the channel is by giving it a thumbs up! Also... I did not initially recognize the resemblance to the Fellow Opus until after filming... We'll chat about that in the review. Let me know your thoughts on the 01!
The design for the 01 was essentially finalised before the release or announcement of the opus. Sam showed the design history on EAF to prove this.
Hi Kyle, thanks for the initial impression. I am looking forward to the full review. perhaps a comparison to eg-1?
I had a P100 on order and option-o reached out to me before the announcement and asked if I wanted to wait for “something new” they had coming. Great service!
Kyle - I got my Lagom -01 a week or two ago and I love it. For me it is a huge upgrade from a 15 yo Mini Mazer and the difference in terms of work flow, noise and taste is huge! Considering I only change grinders every 15 yrs I thought I would go all in.
I love it a lot!
I still would love to see your thoughts...I hope a review is coming.
I also upgraded from a mazzer mini, like you say huge upgrade, and a complete change to workflow, absolutely nothing negative to say about it yet
Stoked for the full review! Hope you’ll compare the 01 with the Zerno 👀 Your early reviews of the Lagom Mini led me to buy that as my first electric grinder and I’ve absolutely loved it. Hoping to add a flat burr to the lineup once my wallet can handle it 😂
Glad to see this on my timeline!!! Excited for this grinder!
Thanks for watching
I can’t wait for the full review! I've had a Lagom P64 from the current series for about a year and I'm very familiar with it and option o. I've pretty much gone through all of the 64mm burrs and am now in Option O's beta tester program, where I test their latest unreleased discs, everything is very, very exciting and great. But the moment you showed how easy it is to change the zero point, that's when I knew I needed the lagom 01 :D as soon as I had to change the zero point (4 small hex screws under the adjusting mechanism... annoying!)
Unfortunately, customs and taxes are always very annoying here in Germany, they often add up to 500 euros or on top of the already big price, so you have to think about it carefully.
What I would really like would be to have the Lagom 01 as an espresso only with blind burrs and then my P64 with my SSP Lab Sweet for filter only... total overkill but I'm a fan of 2 grinders for 2 purposes and don't like mixing them up. .. well let's see what 2024 brings with it :D
Thanks Kyle, great video as always, now test the hell out of the lagom 01 and the grinding discs, I have to have reasons to support the industry financially :D
My Lagom P100 HU effortlessly grinds my espresso daily. Insane flavors, both as espresso and flat white. I got it last year and planned on keeping it for 5+ years. Difficult upgrade for me to these to get the 102mm blind burrs
Appreciate you sage content as always. I put my order in for the P64 which has enchanted me since I first saw it some time ago. I was informed that they were ahead of schedule and it would be sent 6 weeks early. I was thrilled until I saw this 01 today! I just didn't care for the P100 for a variety of reasons so had no interest. But this 01 seems to really be a step forward and incorporates the freshest design features, from antistatic to a refined knock button. I also am not a fan of forks esthetically but also for the accident potential, vibrating out and damaging the base. I love the substitute design in the 01. I wrote Option O to hold shipment a bit for me to decide if I want to shift into this 01. Its a personal decision, of course, but for the $800 difference which is not a small amount for my budget, does this seem like the end all grinder to go with in your opinion, without testing the final production model? I'm not an upgrade neurotic, but I like to buy the best I can afford at the get go and then use it for years no matter what new shiny comes along, with no regrets. Your esteemed thoughts of 01 over P64 would be greatly valued. Thanks!
Regardless of grinder, I just love your production quality of videos. They are getting better and better!! plus they are treat to watch:) You are amazing at everything!! keep it up and keep posting content!!
Appreciate it! As a one person team it means the world
Agreed!
Thank god I did not go for the last end game grinder so I can jump onto this end game grinder. Until the next end game grinder
Thanks, I’ve been interested in this one. It would be cool to see reviews of Kafatek Kones and flats too.
WoW,
This looks really cool and has all the good features in lagom grinders.
Looking forward to your thoughts on it vs P100.
I would love ~ to see the update on this! Wanted to let you know that someone is looking forward to youre next video :)
It’s coming!
Hey @KyleRoswell, when do you plan to post the full 01 review?
@KyleRowsell you mentioned "the next video" and since it's been a while, I was wondering when you were going to do a full review and brew? I'm so close to purchasing this and I would love to see that!
I actually like the p100 form factor more than the the 01
Thank you, Kyle
Great first look, it looks like they expect to ship in November. I am curious if the 102 and 98 burrs are swappable or if it requires another burr carrier. I look forward to the full review.
It needs a separate burr carrier
Which won’t be available for purchase until November-ish. Price is $200
It looks like Option-O combined all of their previous grinders (Mini, P64, P100) into this ultimate design.
Ultimate Lagom
Design-wise I have to say it is the weakest.. all other ones have some precious-design-item vibes to them and this one looks like a drip coffee maker
@@ThePlayahansYa it's a shame this one is so ugly compare to all others. Wish the P100 would be 102mm too.
Woul love to hear how the 102 Mizen compare to 64mm Mizen.
for sure!
That review will be epic. Btw loving the September medium coffes hope you increase the line up
Thanks! And always are!
Nodding along to the features and looks and innovations, then looking it up and seeing its $3,900 AUD. Yeahhhhh guess Ill stick with my Breville conical grinder lmao.
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Any Grandma's out there want to buy one and put it on their coffee bar?
would love to see this compared to EG1 both in terms of work flow and in the cup
Would love to make that happen
You don’t realise how big this is until it’s side-by-side next to Kyle, it’s a beast
I've only partially in watched your video, typing this as I listen. I have a large kitchen, larger than most but I have to see this new grinder is visually too large for the average kitchen environment.
I hope you will make a video in the future on the topic, "Do larger burrs positively affect the taste of the coffee?" I can't remember the name of the Vlogger who said the following, but roughly he said the larger burrs primary job is to grind faster in the professional environment. At some point, he stated, larger burr size cease to offer a significant taste difference but does make a difference in coffee shop coffee prep timings.
Not seeing the full review on your channel. Am I missing it?
I’m guessing you weren’t a fan of the 01 since you never posted a follow up video?
Can’t wait for the full review!
Any plans on comparing these to the KafaTek MAX2?
Hi Kyle, just got mine delivered this week and I’m already loving it! Just wondering what grind range you’re finding works best for most pour overs? And what recipe are you typically using?
I love the idea of this grinder, but the size of the dosing cup relative to the grinder itself is entirely out of proportion. It looks completely out of balance. I also hope they do something about the motor. The sound you're experiencing with this unit sounds like a $50 blade grinder.
It's surprising the P100 comes stock with a super high quality "SSP HU burr" but the newer and better Lagom 01 isnt using SSP this time.
Would you say it is a better grinder with a lesser quality burr set if we forget the size difference? Not a lot of manufacturers must be doing 102mm and even less without screws so the choice must be very limited.
I'm looking to upgrade my "Ceado E37SD" which uses 83mm, so I was looking into the 01 as i could get it in Canada at wholesale pricing even though it still cost an arm 😅
Does the magnetic grind cup scratch or scuff the base plate over time?
Same question here!
And the magnetic portafilter holder? Does it scratch the base? Are the magnets strong enough to keep it in place when inserting/removing a portafilter?
The P100 has a convoluted in my mind way to adjust to zero. Not to mention I never feel confident after cleaning the burrs. Which I have to say is amazing because after many many months still is close to zero retention. I say all of this because it appears my burrs have scratch lines. You touched on the easier setting to zero. I would like to know they truly improved setting the burrs to zero.
I'm surprised they haven't updated their portafilter forks yet. The modularity is nice, but curious how the forks perform. Do they fall out like the P64 while grinding.
Supposedly the forks can adjust to go bigger or smaller
Never had that issue with the p64 but I do have silicone socks on the forks from the Turin/DF series grinders on ! I found some portafilters fit tighter than others due to different thicknesses of the ears in them. The ECM was thin and tilts a bit more still I don't think it ever dropped. Maybe I wouldn't trust it hands free. The Weber unfilter was basically a perfect and tight fit.
I recently find the Mahlkönig EK OMNIA , i think it will be a excellent contester with this one. you agree ?
I'd love to know if you think this could be a true all-purpose grinder (with the right burrs). For context, I do 60/40% espresso:filter and I currently have an atom (lucca) 75 for espresso, and an acaia Orbit with ssp MP for filter, or modern spro shots. On the DE1. I feel like with all these machines on my bar I can't complain, maybe it's just upgraditis... But in my head I imagine the L01, with the right burr set, could just be the ONE grinder I use for everything. And I'd just sell everything else and have a minimal approach. I know a 'big burr' grinder doesn't always guarantee better coffee (even though everything I've tasted from them have been my favorite shots), but I think for me the idea of one end game grinder, to simplify the amount of gear on the bar, is mainly what I'm interested in. Maybe even picking up a used P100 in a few months if they drop in price could be an option. Anyway, would love your thoughts on that if you could only choose ONE burr with this grinder for everything, if you think that's realistic haha.
Buy the atom pro burrset for your lucca. You won’t be disappointed.
You’ll probably find that will be as close to all in one as you can get until you buy an 01. You can sell your orbit. For $250, the burrs are worth a try.
@@eric2005 I actually went down a little research rabbit hole with this a year back! At the time it seems like the burrs were harder to find and more expensive, and the only other caveat was users saying that you really can’t do espresso. I’m on the DE1, so I’m sure if I am grinding almost at chirp, there’s got to be some profile that will give a good shot. Lol even if it doesn’t hit 8-9 bars. Have you used these burrs in the atom 75?
@@eric2005 just tried to look them up and it seems like it’s still almost impossible to just order or find these Pro burrs anywhere. If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated haha
Thank you, Kyle, for this incredible video. As a current P100 user, I would like to know if it is worth upgrading from the P100 to Lagom 01, given the improvements on Lagom 01.
Hold for the review
in my "humble" opinion..... ya, maybe, ONLY if you feel spending that kind of $$.... just for sake of !....hey, remember basics, grinding cafe NO ONE DOES "need" a 2650USD grinder..... but again, in my humble opinion, cheers
@Kyle Rowsell I’m considering preordering the Lagom O1 with the 102mm burrs. Do you agree with Brian Quan that it has the wow factor with grinding for espresso?
Hi Kyle, how is this compare with the EK43, in term of home use and commercial use on cafe?
Looks like a pain to change the bottom burr. Socket wrench to remove bottom carrier?
Burrs look amazing though. If I got this I wouldn’t
bother changing em.
I mean that blind burr is absolutely beautiful 😍
I came across this recent video from lance on instagram stories suggesting some "regrinding" on the P100, any way you can do this test on the 01?
Kyle, in your next video, please comment on seasoning of the 102 blind burrs. My silver 01 arrives in November 😉As always, great video ☕️☕️☕️
I have once again watched a wonderful review of a wonderful grinder - that I will never afford.
Kyle, I recommend a “hair light” to separate you from the background a little. You are getting a bit lost in that busy background.
As you can see I have a neon sign and a cob light both as hair lights. It’s just likely my hat colour in this video. Thanks for watching!
Is there a full review coming?
Nope lol
Kyle, Can you tell me what the difference between September coffee vs Pilot Coffee. I’d like to try your coffee and what would you recommend. I usually buy medium to light coffee. If I was looking to get flat burr grinder $1500 candadian dollars max. What would you recommend?
How do they lock the rotary burr in place ? By magnet or back screw ? Does that mean the rotary burrs are not user changeable?
It's locked by a centre bolt assembly
Please compare it to DF64V. Prices are very diffirent, but what about the diffirince in taste? Is this guy worth the extra price?
I, by sheer coincidence of the time at which I ordered, have an 01 on the way. I was one of the group you mentioned that was recently given the option to upgrade from my original order （p100 brew）, but way back when I ordered in May I had no idea a new model was coming out. I roast for a local shop that uses an EK4, so I guess for that reason and to compare with my original order, if you could compare/contrast the 102 mizens with the 98 brew burrs and the ek43 burrs that would be wonderful. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work on the videos！
Sorry ＊ek43
Starting to feel like I’ll be able to get my machine and test it myself before Kyle’s review drops because it's set to arrive in 2 days...
could you share some first impression? is the 102 blind burr good for pour over?@@jianhe3058
Hey Kyle - what was the kettle you were using - it wasn't the Stagg?? Great video again - Also, are there any UK importers for September?
I'd love to see the 01 against the Zerno Z1 v2. The grinding power consistency paired with the pre-breaker is game changer. If a v2 comparison is not possible, please Kyle, check whether the 01 has any dips while grinding coffee because that affects the particle size distribution and in turns cup quality. Thanks!
Great video.
Thanks 😊
Thanks for watching!
Bro my order of September coffee has been absolutely impeccable. Candy flower and Daterra milk espresso are both perfect
Glad to hear it!
Aghhh is this the ultimate grinder? Or ek43s?
Looks like a fellow opus on a heavy cycle of D-Bal😂
How is the espresso?
The big question I have (still watching the video) but Option-O doesn't offer the ability to buy one grinder that supports both 98mm and 102mm. You have to pick one or the other.
I'm worried about vendor lock in with the 102, but I really want to have the ability to use them. What would you suggest here?
It can use 98mm burrs with an additional burr carrier purchase
@@KyleRowsell do you know where that option is? I could never find it on the store.
@@erikngomezit’s not available for purchase yet. It will be in early November, price is $200
It's huge! My sympathy is with the beans that are going to be crushed in it!
How does the sound with the current motor compare to the Zerno (also seemingly loud)? Sometimes hard to tell on these videos…
It’s louder than the zerno, but hopefully will be fixed
hi, any further thoughts on the Lagom 01?
Yes update to come
@@KyleRowsell looking forward to it. I have an order in for the 01 already so the decision has been made, went for the 102mm blind burrs. excited to hear about your experience. Option-O just rocks when it comes to customer service which is huge when you are developing a relationship with a grinder. Can't say the same about some other companies...
Great video. I'm curious how the bottom burr is removed.
Removing the bolt
Thanks @@KyleRowsell I should have my 01 next month
Kyle thanks for reviewing this. I did not know this was coming and was ready to push the button on the Weber EG1. Question. Every morning I make a full pot of brew using 65 grams of coffee. Can you easily feed 65 grams into this grinder? The EG1 looks like you have to do a bit at a time which would be a pain, this 01 looks way easier. Also not sure if you have much experience with the EG1 but would you choose the Lagom over the Weber? Thanks.
Option-o is the cooler brand.
I have an EG1 and I feed the beans in. I’m sure others just walk the beans in and start it. From this video I can see lost of marring , scratching and damage being cause d by lifting the upper section over the housing to clean the burrs. Also man that sounds loud. The Webber is very very quite. Up to you but after watching this and given the choice I’d still choose the Webber. As for taste. As always it’s so so subjective.
@@obsessedcloset2638 he says the Motor is a louder one in this pre production version so not good to judge based on this which doesn't actually sound that loud to me. I thought the EG1 always sounded liked its struggling to keep up the RPM from what I've seen in videos.
Next level… gotta pull the trigger
Looks like big. How does the foot print compare to the EG-1?
It's bigger
@@KyleRowsellThe EG-1 is huge in person relative to how it looks in media. The Lagom 01 is probably big enough to been entered in as evidence in divorce court proceedings. Grounds…for divorce 😅
Based on the spec sheet EG-1 takes up more space. Base is 9.5 inches around, 18inches tall and 13inches deep
How big is the market for nerdy grinders? seems like there is a new one out every second week..
It does seem big enough
@@KyleRowsell it does! Hopefully that development trickle down to more affordable grinders too. More quality coffee to those of us who has a simpler set-up 😊
The blind burrs is mainly for espresso or brew ?
Both
@@KyleRowsell do they hv blind burrs especially made for espresso ?
Do you know if they are offering any upgrade allowance for P100 owners?
Not sure! Email them?
@@KyleRowsell haha, I already emailed. Haven’t heard back yet. Maybe they are mulling it over.
I didn't hear anything about price. Something about "thousands" I think?
I'm just waiting for a 100 cm burr grinder! /s
that's great we want full review and comparison with p100 i want buy one
hmm what is that filter dripper station in the background?
Beanseeker
Them Origami mugs... soooooo good :)
Am I crazy for considering upgrading from my P100 to the Lagom-01? Lmao, tell me it's not worth it. Save me money. Please cover this during the full review!
I'll cover this in the full review
At what point does burr size stop mattering? Do the burrs in this grinder provide any meaningful difference over 64mm or 83mm burrs? If there is a difference, can it even be attributed to the burrs, or is it just due to other differences in the grinder or the origin and freshness of the coffee itself?
To me larger burrs seem to bring out more subtle intricate notes and usually is overall smoother. But it also depends on other factors like burr design and rpm etc
Past 64mm is diminishing returns
Not that this is a bad thing - but it does look like a giant Opus
I recognize that Option-O has consistently said that alignment is best done at the factory. That said, I’m skeptical- does the user have any options to adjust alignment?
After that, kudos to them for using blind burrs! I believe that’s the way to go.
Not sure what you mean as alignment is always possible with the foil technique
I have three questions about the power buttons. 1) Do I understand correctly that if you press the bottom button the grinder will run continuously until you press it a second time? 2) And, if you press the top button, the grinder will run until it senses the beans have been ground, then momentarily speed up to clear the burrs, then shut off (meaning a single button press is all you need to turn on the grinder, grind a single dose, and have it automatically turn off again)? And 3), If you press the top button to get the grinder running before adding beans, will the sensor detect no beans (because you haven't dumped them in yet), speed up the motor, and then shut off? Or will it give you bit to add the beans?
P100 looks like the df64, the side button and the dosing cup holder .... while the Lagom 01 resemble the fellow ode...
I think at this point the Zerno is probably the thing to beat, so that's probably the best comparison. It's gotta be categorically better than the Zerno to justify itself for me.
Zerno Z1 is 64mm. Workflow and features on the p100 is already better. It makes little sense to compare with this or use it as a benchmark rather than the p100 or Weber EG1 or Kafatek Max grinders that's what this is competing with. However it is always fun to put different classes or types of gear against each other to see what the differences are and help you decide what's best for you or what's the best value if it is worth spending that much more money or not.
Is that a Bean Seeker I see in the background? Should we be expecting a video soon?? 😮
Yeah
01 Mizen Filter vs Sculptor 078?
Would your consider the P64 and endgame grinder?
102 mm flat burr?? Thats cracy
Massive
Why has none of the go-to grinder review channels done a video about the Feld47 by MadeByKnock yet? It's been on the market for years, with several upgrades, and everyone reviewed all the options made in China, but it's made in the UK, which to some people is an important purchasing decision.
Totally different type of grinder. The response should probably be mentioned in a hand grinder post.
01 vs. Zerno
Love that reviewers are receiving their Lagom-01 before me and I preordered it back in May.
Hey, if you want a pre - production unit have at it. But you're should be a lot quieter than mine :)
Not sure how that’s the case. I preordered this at the end of august, and mine will be here in a few weeks.
@@xbhollandx I hope so! My order was supposed to arrive at beginning of August and now they just said it’s going to beginning/mid October.
@@Mac-pluto did you get a different SSP burr set?
@@xbhollandx negative. Got mine with the 102mm Blind Burrs
It looks like Fellow’s Opus
Hello Kyle. Thank you for the great video. I want to buy a new coffee grinder, I choose between LAGOM P100 or LAGOM 01. It's also very difficult to decide on the 102mm or 98mm version of LAGOM 01. I'm really looking forward to your detailed review on LAGOM 01. Maybe you can hint how long to wait for it? %)
Is it safe to spray water on the beams with that uncoated burr?
Yes
Bro unbutton that top button and breath 😂sheesh
Well from what I heard the only benefit you get from burr size is how fast it grinds. This could be sufficient for workflow on SSP MP burrs that grind slow.
The biggest burr grinder I heard of so far was Molar Z with 120mm.
The most interesting grinder for me right now is Aries cause I am yet to see a good workflow single dose big conical grinder besides Niche. I saw you had it in the other videos, any thoughts about it?
Unfortunately not that simple, bigger burr are not just more consistent these also tend to offer more of everything and be less one dimensional. It’s true in the days past bigger burr was for large flow but just isn’t so anymore
There is also the HG1 Prime HG2 and Key if you're looking for a big conical. The non coated HG1 burrs seem to be a little more conical like. Less flavor clarity and more body.
@@BensCoffeeRants there are also Wug2. I don't like the Key slow feed workflow and hand grinder options.
@@valentinkuznecov6256 yeah Wug2 seems good. I didn't have to slow feed my Weber Key it never really stalled on me just hesitated at like 30 rpm if grinding very fine for espresso with a light roast. But some people did have issues with that. Slow feeding is generally what I do for consistency on all my grinders wherever possible. But the slow bean feeder add on I think is good. I have it on the HG2 I have now and it may have made hand grinding for espresso slightly easier definitely helped with preventing popcorning and may have increased flavor clarity. It should come free with all those grinders but nope they don't do that. With slower feeding you probably get more clarity and less body and even more of a flat burrr like profile with the Webers though.
Hi, thanks a lot for such great videos. I am really looking forward to the full review. I hope it works out that you might include your thoughts on the EG-1 as you flow through it. I am looking at both of these and would love your input. (For reference, I have a Mahlkonig k30 vario with SSP HU burrs, GS3 MP, 1969 La Pavoni europiccolo for weekends. I also have a logom mini for travel, moonshine burrs that I like a lot--Option-O's customer service is awesome! I drink straight shots, usually 1:2-1:2.3 ratios, mostly Tim Wendelboe. I am happy with my set up but I think I could really appreciate and enjoy an upgrade to my home grinder, sorry for the back story.) Really grateful for the work you do, it really helps out the home baristas that agonize over things like the best cup!
I'd love to compare this to the EG side by side. Not sure if I'll be able to get my hands on one though! A man can dream.
Well done Kyle your contents are high quality and very informative. Interestingly, the form factors of P100 share some similarity to the Fellow Opus (hopper and adjustment), would be fun to see them next to each other instead of the sculptor since most people in North America hasn’t received theirs.
Thanks for watching!
P100 or P01, what would YHWH do? Haha
Thanks for your videos Kyle. Your coffees are also fire 🔥
Appreciate it!!
I think the Weber EG1 is a better grinder. I’m biased though.
I would have big issues using this in our shop in a professional setting. As much as the huge burrs with increased cutting surface is a great upgrade to say an EK43 (which would in my mind be the main competitor to the Option-O, definitely not the Weber EG-1), it's too focused on espresso workflow and not workflow for filters or, a big thing that happens quite often in a busy shop in the middle of nowhere - grinding a whole bag of coffee for a customer. The "old" Option-O and the EK43 have the necessary height to fit a bag under the shoot, the EK additionally has an easy bellows mod and a very effective hammer-knocker.
For our use cases, I can't see the Lagom 01 realistically used in a shop selling 200+ drinks a day.
It would be an amazing end-game solution for RIIIIICH nerdy home baristas, in which case it actually DOES compete with the Weber EG-1.
When I said this I was mostly referring to a niche use case like a single origin bar or single dosing espresso. Not to replace an EK.
I can understand a coffee shop need an all -in-one grinder, good for filter, espresso and bags of coffee, but this grinder is not existed yet. For option-o's or even Webber Workshop's design, their focus is brew quality, retenion, then work flow for espresso. Work flow for 15-20g filter is easy, just need a platform to put the dosing cup the catch the grind.
Weird. I had been subscribed for years. I just checked and I wasn't subscribed. Weird.
It’s why I always ask… sometimes these things happen!